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2016-01-08T16:33:48  <valera_rozuvan> OK. So we have a logging bot with us now = ) bbzfc_bot welcome!
2016-01-08T16:34:04  <kaadmy> good :)
2016-01-08T16:34:21  <kaadmy> is it hosted on a website?
2016-01-08T16:34:55  <valera_rozuvan> Well... almost. In the cloud = )
2016-01-08T16:35:00  <kaadmy> ah
2016-01-08T16:35:17  <valera_rozuvan> I will later make a publicly available website with the logs.
2016-01-08T16:36:00  <kaadmy> would be neat if you typed something like "bbzfc_bot: yesterday" and it shows a link to yesterday's chat logs
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2016-01-08T18:34:01  <alpha1-3> niec valera_rozuvan, what is that bot for?
2016-01-08T18:34:04  <alpha1-3> nice*
2016-01-08T18:34:13  <valera_rozuvan> For history log.
2016-01-08T18:34:18  <valera_rozuvan> (initially)
2016-01-08T18:34:27  <alpha1-3> nice, where? is it public?
2016-01-08T18:34:35  <valera_rozuvan> Almost...
2016-01-08T18:34:43  <alpha1-3> ah I see, okay
2016-01-08T18:34:53  <alpha1-3> yes, you logged out yesterday
2016-01-08T18:35:13  <alpha1-3> we already have a complete game designed :P
2016-01-08T18:35:35  <alpha1-3> and you will have to code all
2016-01-08T18:35:47  <kaadmy> hah
2016-01-08T18:35:50  <alpha1-3> :D
2016-01-08T18:42:00  <valera_rozuvan> = )
2016-01-08T18:42:02  <valera_rozuvan> Agreed!
2016-01-08T18:42:18  <valera_rozuvan> Did you by any chance write it down somewhere?
2016-01-08T18:42:33  <valera_rozuvan> Maybe http://pastebin.com/ ? = )
2016-01-08T18:42:42  <alpha1-3> it will be called "Tic tac Toe", a completely new idea... :D
2016-01-08T18:43:10  <kaadmy> uh
2016-01-08T18:43:29  <alpha1-3> original game
2016-01-08T18:43:32  <alpha1-3> :P
2016-01-08T18:43:54  <alpha1-3> no, I am joking
2016-01-08T18:44:14  <valera_rozuvan> By the way, the online IRC logs will be located here. http://irclog.bbzfc.net/ . It's still a work in progress...
2016-01-08T18:44:30  <JeffM> are you going to set up forums?
2016-01-08T18:44:52  <valera_rozuvan> http://forum.bbzfc.net/
2016-01-08T18:44:54  <valera_rozuvan> = )
2016-01-08T18:45:12  <kaadmy> and maybe remove bzf from the name of this?
2016-01-08T18:45:17  <JeffM> ewww
2016-01-08T18:45:25  <valera_rozuvan> = )
2016-01-08T18:45:36  <JeffM> you actualy bought that name?
2016-01-08T18:45:43  <kaadmy> ^
2016-01-08T18:45:45  <valera_rozuvan> Yup!
2016-01-08T18:45:56  <JeffM> my condolences
2016-01-08T18:46:00  <JeffM> that was a very bad idea
2016-01-08T18:46:02  <valera_rozuvan> It only cost me approximately 11.50 USD for a year = )
2016-01-08T18:46:11  <kaadmy> agree with JeffM
2016-01-08T18:46:13  <alpha1-3> you could use infobot code: http://infobot.sourceforge.net/
2016-01-08T18:46:31  <kaadmy> looks like wordpress
2016-01-08T18:46:31  <JeffM> alpha1-3: you really like being depednent on tim riker don't you?
2016-01-08T18:46:41  <JeffM> looks like bland wordpress
2016-01-08T18:46:52  <alpha1-3> it's free code, isn't it?
2016-01-08T18:47:21  <JeffM> it's tim code, it's not realy useable
2016-01-08T18:47:26  <JeffM> it's fiddly as hell
2016-01-08T18:47:27  <alpha1-3> uh
2016-01-08T18:47:36  <alpha1-3> better idea?
2016-01-08T18:47:51  <JeffM> no need for a bot untill you need a bot
2016-01-08T18:48:06  <alpha1-3> valera seems to
2016-01-08T18:48:08  <valera_rozuvan> I am using https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria and https://github.com/mgedmin/irclog2html for the IRC logging .
2016-01-08T18:48:30  <alpha1-3> ah okay, if it's good
2016-01-08T18:49:33  <valera_rozuvan> I have decided what bbzfc is actually going to be = )
2016-01-08T18:50:00  <kaadmy> ^ good, because arguing doesn't seem to help much ;)
2016-01-08T18:50:08  <valera_rozuvan> It will stand for "Better BattleZone with Flag Captures" = )
2016-01-08T18:50:20  <valera_rozuvan> JeffM, No BZFlag in the name = )
2016-01-08T18:50:33  <valera_rozuvan> It will be a remake of the old BattleZone.
2016-01-08T18:50:36  <valera_rozuvan> In Unity 3D.
2016-01-08T18:50:51  <JeffM> how can you decide that with out doing any evaluations?
2016-01-08T18:50:53  <valera_rozuvan> With networking + leagues!
2016-01-08T18:50:58  <valera_rozuvan> = )
2016-01-08T18:51:01  <valera_rozuvan> just joking
2016-01-08T18:51:37  <JeffM> I recomend against using the name of a comerical product
2016-01-08T18:51:39  <valera_rozuvan> But any joke has a small piece of reality to it.
2016-01-08T18:52:13  <valera_rozuvan> OK. Then simply "bbzfc"  -  with subtle hints that it will follow the footsteps of BattleZone and BZflag ...
2016-01-08T18:52:37  <kaadmy> imo just being another game with similar gameplay should beenough
2016-01-08T18:52:43  <kaadmy> doesn't need to keep the samename
2016-01-08T18:53:26  <valera_rozuvan> +1
2016-01-08T18:54:11  <alpha1-3> we were discusing a little about licenses yesterday. What I can say is that, about the engines, Unity3D is propietary, Unreal too
2016-01-08T18:54:56  <JeffM> well you were getting confused about engine licenses vs software licenses.. but sure... whatever
2016-01-08T18:55:06  <alpha1-3> (you should set a welcome/channel message too, to get easily the links)
2016-01-08T18:55:25  <kaadmy> iirc there was
2016-01-08T18:56:48  <alpha1-3> you keep saying that Unity allows you to do whatever you want with ur code, but since you can't use GPL, it's not true
2016-01-08T18:57:02  <JeffM> GPL doesn't let you do whatever you want
2016-01-08T18:57:10  <JeffM> and you can GPL your code
2016-01-08T18:57:22  <JeffM> it'll be an invalid use of GPL, but that's your problem
2016-01-08T18:57:36  <JeffM> GPL is incompatabile with lots of things, that's GPLs problem
2016-01-08T18:57:46  <JeffM> if this project is going to be GPL, I'll leave now
2016-01-08T18:58:29  <alpha1-3> "GPL doesn't let you do whatever you want" --> I didn't say that
2016-01-08T18:58:38  <JeffM> no, I say that
2016-01-08T18:58:48  <valera_rozuvan> A recent question of the Unity 3D forums: "May I release my source code under the GPL?" -> http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/892443/may-i-release-my-source-code-under-the-gpl.html
2016-01-08T18:58:49  <JeffM> GPL forces you into the GPL
2016-01-08T18:58:51  <alpha1-3> " and you can GPL your code" --> no valid if you don't use Unity at once
2016-01-08T18:59:08  <JeffM> you didn't say "and maintain a valid GPL binding" :)
2016-01-08T18:59:18  <valera_rozuvan> We can use Unity 3D and create an open source gamed!
2016-01-08T18:59:23  <JeffM> there are many things I can do with GPL code that is not valid, what's one more
2016-01-08T18:59:34  <JeffM> valera_rozuvan: are you wanting to use the GPL?
2016-01-08T19:00:05  <valera_rozuvan> No.
2016-01-08T19:00:07  <valera_rozuvan> MIT.
2016-01-08T19:00:09  <JeffM> good
2016-01-08T19:00:15  <valera_rozuvan> Here is a Unity 3D game under MIT license: https://github.com/ricardojmendez/UnitySteer .
2016-01-08T19:00:21  <JeffM> then alpha1-3 please stop mentioning the GPL
2016-01-08T19:00:54  <alpha1-3> you are more in the side of Open Source than Free Software, valera_rozuvan? (as far as I know about these organizations)
2016-01-08T19:02:44  <alpha1-3> AFAI understand, a MIT software stuck with Unity libraries will be propietary software, not open source one, it's a trap
2016-01-08T19:03:03  <alpha1-3> you can't release the complete code
2016-01-08T19:05:57  <alpha1-3> unless someone in the future makes a open source clone of unity
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2016-01-08T19:07:35  <kaadmy> alpha1-3: godot?
2016-01-08T19:07:35  <kaadmy> '
2016-01-08T19:08:30  <kaadmy> http://www.godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine
2016-01-08T19:10:05  <alpha1-3> I was seeing it the othe day... there are several interesting ones... I ave not studied all tho, all is possible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godot_%28game_engine%29
2016-01-08T19:11:04  <JeffM> kaadmy: it's not mature enough
2016-01-08T19:11:05  <kaadmy> nice engine, but runs slowly for 3d stuff
2016-01-08T19:11:07  <JeffM> maybe in a couple years
2016-01-08T19:11:17  <JeffM> it's an open source unity clone
2016-01-08T19:11:32  <kaadmy> <alpha1-3> unless someone in the future makes a open source clone of unity
2016-01-08T19:11:43  <JeffM> parts of unity are open souce
2016-01-08T19:12:10  <JeffM> and seriiously dude, just let the propritary thing gone
2016-01-08T19:12:11  <JeffM> go
2016-01-08T19:12:27  <JeffM> requirements need to be selected before an engine
2016-01-08T19:12:50  <alpha1-3> we were talking in #bzflag also. There are 2 ways apparently (and based in a old discussion form 2007/09 where JeffM was present too, not me): modularizing VS new engine. If we here are looking in the new engine way, I can see in example, Blender Engine could be one of few good to choose and see
2016-01-08T19:13:06  <kaadmy> bge is kinda junky
2016-01-08T19:13:12  <kaadmy> for a multiplayer game
2016-01-08T19:13:14  <JeffM> you really are hung up on bzflag arn't you?
2016-01-08T19:13:36  <kaadmy> and btw i'm banned from #bzflag because i reconnected more than once >:(
2016-01-08T19:13:47  <JeffM> it's ok, so am I
2016-01-08T19:14:08  <JeffM> but that's because I banned myself
2016-01-08T19:14:27  <alpha1-3> the problem is that you can't differentiate between FLOSS an propietary soft JeffM. MIT is FLOSS.
2016-01-08T19:14:47  <kaadmy> JeffM: um, how.. and why
2016-01-08T19:15:37  <alpha1-3> kaadmy: why is it junky?
2016-01-08T19:15:52  <alpha1-3> kaadmy: try again now
2016-01-08T19:15:57  <kaadmy> alpha1-3: flaky physics(from my experience), not very good graphics
2016-01-08T19:16:02  <JeffM> alpha1-3: and it's not a distinction that matters, the software is still free for people to use and modify, you are arguing a philosphical point
2016-01-08T19:16:04  <kaadmy> i use BGE from 2.69
2016-01-08T19:16:34  <kaadmy> i have blender 2.74 too, don't use it tho
2016-01-08T19:16:57  <alpha1-3> kaadmy: from 2009 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7RRaEvWqJc from 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86kKnsy41Kk
2016-01-08T19:17:38  <JeffM> youtube videos are not the same
2016-01-08T19:18:47  <kaadmy> the one from 2013 is really jittery, probably slow video recorder
2016-01-08T19:19:37  <alpha1-3> what software is free, part of unity? I need *all* unity free, not just parts
2016-01-08T19:19:50  <JeffM> you need unreasonable things
2016-01-08T19:20:02  <JeffM> and why is this project defined by what YOU need
2016-01-08T19:20:05  <kaadmy> hmm, i might try godot to make a simple tank game demo
2016-01-08T19:20:12  <JeffM> I Need 21 platforms
2016-01-08T19:20:34  <JeffM> alpha1-3: what are your plans to contribute?
2016-01-08T19:20:38  <alpha1-3> and the funny thing is that valera is out again :P
2016-01-08T19:20:47  <alpha1-3> ah but we have his bot!
2016-01-08T19:21:42  <alpha1-3> valera said MIT, I could agree wth that. But not with a propietary result
2016-01-08T19:21:59  <JeffM> so you would not play the game?
2016-01-08T19:22:04  <JeffM> is that the end result?
2016-01-08T19:22:11  <alpha1-3> if they choose ogre or blender, I could agree
2016-01-08T19:22:38  <JeffM> I'm still unclear why it needs your aproval
2016-01-08T19:22:56  <alpha1-3> does it need *your* aproval?
2016-01-08T19:23:07  <JeffM> it does not
2016-01-08T19:23:13  <alpha1-3> eithermine
2016-01-08T19:23:25  <JeffM> and I've always pointed out that engine selection should be based on requirements
2016-01-08T19:23:42  <kaadmy> ^
2016-01-08T19:23:50  <JeffM> if i am going to do development work on the project I need to approve of what I work on
2016-01-08T19:24:00  <JeffM> do you plan on doing development work on the project?
2016-01-08T19:25:13  <alpha1-3> hmm not sure at this point
2016-01-08T19:26:00  <alpha1-3> we are in discussing stage still
2016-01-08T19:26:24  <alpha1-3> I can contribute with knowledge for now
2016-01-08T19:27:00  <JeffM> knowledge of what?
2016-01-08T19:27:54  <alpha1-3> general: licenses, FLOSS, development, player view, designs, etc. like everyone of us
2016-01-08T19:28:14  <alpha1-3> or are you the only one who knows here? :P
2016-01-08T19:28:14  <JeffM> and now I remember why I left bzflag
2016-01-08T19:28:25  <JeffM> best of luck, let me know when you are done harping on the GPL
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2016-01-08T19:31:52  <alpha1-3> I said FLOSS, which MIT is included into
2016-01-08T19:32:21  <alpha1-3> valera_rozuvan: you always lose the best parts of the discussion :P
2016-01-08T19:32:53  <alpha1-3> I think you lost some of my last lines
2016-01-08T19:33:21  <valera_rozuvan> 1 sec ... let me update the IRC log  (currently it is not automated, but will be tied to cron).
2016-01-08T19:33:29  <alpha1-3> [16:00] <alpha1-3> you are more in the side of Open Source than Free Software, valera_rozuvan? (as far as I know about these organizations)
2016-01-08T19:33:30  <alpha1-3> [16:02] <alpha1-3> AFAI understand, a MIT software stuck with Unity libraries will be propietary software, not open source one, it's a trap
2016-01-08T19:33:32  <alpha1-3> [16:03] <alpha1-3> you can't release the complete code
2016-01-08T19:33:33  <alpha1-3> [16:05] <alpha1-3> unless someone in the future makes a open source clone of unity
2016-01-08T19:34:25  <alpha1-3> and JeffM got offended or tired about FLOSS (tho he says 'GPL') talk
2016-01-08T19:37:00  <alpha1-3> BZ is LGPL BTW, not GPL
2016-01-08T19:39:21  <alpha1-3> [16:12] <alpha1-3> we were talking in #bzflag also. There are 2 ways apparently (and based in a old discussion form 2007/09 where JeffM was present too, not me): modularizing VS new engine. If we here are looking in the new engine way, I can see in example, Blender Engine could be one of few good to choose and see
2016-01-08T19:39:27  <valera_rozuvan> http://irclog.bbzfc.net/  ->  JeffM said:  "	and seriiously dude, just let the propritary thing gone "
2016-01-08T19:39:29  <valera_rozuvan> +1
2016-01-08T19:39:44  <alpha1-3> [16:16] <alpha1-3> kaadmy: from 2009 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7RRaEvWqJc from 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86kKnsy41Kk
2016-01-08T19:40:19  <valera_rozuvan> = )
2016-01-08T19:40:32  <alpha1-3> then you are more in OS side tan FS one?
2016-01-08T19:41:02  <alpha1-3> anyway MIT + propietary = propietary, not OS
2016-01-08T19:41:44  <alpha1-3> you can't separate them to play the game
2016-01-08T19:42:46  <valera_rozuvan> I will think about these issues!
2016-01-08T19:42:52  <valera_rozuvan> Thanks for contributing to the discussion!
2016-01-08T19:43:08  <alpha1-3> okay :), then you have the complete log?
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2016-01-08T20:20:34  <valera_rozuvan> alpha1-3, Yes. I have the complete log = )
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2016-01-08T21:01:35  <alpha1-3> all is kierra's fault
2016-01-08T21:02:56  <alpha1-3> she doesn't make cookies, then we have bad humour
2016-01-08T21:03:09  <alpha1-3> (I just sent it to #bzflag)
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2016-01-09T01:32:48  <Constitution> oh dear, he actually set up a Node.js forum
2016-01-09T02:53:05  <alpha1-3> any way to get the logs?
2016-01-09T02:53:26  <alpha1-3> I get an error
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2016-01-09T05:03:26  <valera_rozuvan> Constitution, Hi!
2016-01-09T05:03:32  <valera_rozuvan> Logs are back up again.
2016-01-09T05:03:53  <valera_rozuvan> Sorry that they are still a bit flaky - it's a work in progress...
2016-01-09T05:03:54  <valera_rozuvan> = )
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2016-01-09T05:04:23  <valera_rozuvan> alpha1-3, Logs are back up again!
2016-01-09T05:04:30  <valera_rozuvan> WOrking to make them more stable...
2016-01-09T05:04:45  <alpha1-3> valera_rozuvan: what timezone do you have, if want to say?
2016-01-09T05:05:13  <alpha1-3> are you in euroasia?
2016-01-09T05:05:13  <valera_rozuvan> I live in Kiev Ukraine. It's 07:05:11 here right now.
2016-01-09T05:05:30  <alpha1-3> ah, I thought
2016-01-09T05:05:39  <alpha1-3> here 2 am :)
2016-01-09T05:05:41  <valera_rozuvan> = )
2016-01-09T05:05:45  <valera_rozuvan> Go to sleep! jk
2016-01-09T05:05:53  <kaadmy> ~9 PM for me
2016-01-09T05:05:58  <alpha1-3> just going to bed in few
2016-01-09T05:06:02  <alpha1-3> soon*
2016-01-09T05:06:04  <kaadmy> UTC-8
2016-01-09T05:06:15  <alpha1-3> UTC-3
2016-01-09T05:06:58  <alpha1-3> and valera_rozuvan UTC 2, 5 hours of difference each one
2016-01-09T05:07:11  <kaadmy> heh
2016-01-09T05:08:21  <kaadmy> if the earth was flat, screw timezones ;-)
2016-01-09T05:08:36  <valera_rozuvan> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ukraine/kyiv  -  it says that I am in UTC +2:00
2016-01-09T05:08:44  <kaadmy> ^
2016-01-09T05:08:49  <alpha1-3> out of topic: is it true that women are very pretty there? :P and a lot are single or just liying advertisement?
2016-01-09T05:09:04  <kaadmy> well, g'nite
2016-01-09T05:09:10  <alpha1-3> gnite
2016-01-09T05:09:10  <valera_rozuvan> Yes. We have lots of pretty girls here!
2016-01-09T05:09:15  <alpha1-3> hehe
2016-01-09T05:09:23  <valera_rozuvan> A lot of single? Don't know about that ...
2016-01-09T05:09:26  <kaadmy> gby m8s cya l8r!
2016-01-09T05:09:30  <valera_rozuvan> l8r
2016-01-09T05:09:36  <alpha1-3> that is why you are always so happy?:D
2016-01-09T05:09:54  <valera_rozuvan> Me? I am married! = )
2016-01-09T05:11:17  <alpha1-3> ah okay, nice :)
2016-01-09T05:16:29  <alpha1-3> ah nice logs!
2016-01-09T05:18:35  <alpha1-3> wel, night too :)
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2016-01-09T07:26:40  <valera_rozuvan> Goodnight all! = )
2016-01-09T08:29:43  <valera_rozuvan> IRC logs should be more stable now. Using https://github.com/foreverjs/forever to mange starting, stopping and to daemonize.
2016-01-09T08:41:07  <valera_rozuvan> They should even auto-update every 10 minutes! = )
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2016-01-09T09:16:21  <valera_rozuvan> Will be away offline on the weekend. Will write a project specification document, along with a system analysis matrix.
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