pro&con buying pbn

pro&con buying pbn
hello , im new on seo , im here discussing about buying pbn , any advice from seniors are welcome (please be kind to me as im still newb on this)
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After bought many pbn (1 time purchase , no monthly cost) for my sites , i kinda feel that after certain time , the power (metric wise) from those pbn dropped significant , and im guessing this because they (pbn seller) dont maintain their pbn anymore , is this common issue ?

is this because they (pbn seller) limit their obl from their sites , but then since the pbn site cant make them more money , then someday after reaching its limit , they dont update / maintain their pbn anymore ?

please help clarify me on this case , because im still trying to figure how to choose a good pbn
note : my goal is understanding whats a good pbn for long term purpose
note again : please excuse my poor english , since its not my native

thanx a lot,
Higher OBL = Lower link juice for you. If someone sell link from PBN for 1$ or sometimes less... I think PBN should be limited for OBL and in this case should be monthly fee, not one time payment because pbn owner need money to keep it good quality.
im still trying to figure how to choose a good pbn
note : my goal is understanding whats a good pbn for long term purpose
The truth is - if you want have effective PBN you should build it yourself.
In this case only you decide how long you pay for domains and hosting.

There is no difference between good PBN and typical blog.
In this case you don't even need to hide BL.

Good PBN have traffic and visibility in SERP for your keywords.
And thanks for this - each outgoing link have huge power for the anchor text.

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Poor PBNs don't have any traffic or/and search visibility.
Only what poor PBNs have, it's metrics which Google not use, such DR/DA.
And for above reasons - have low effectivity.
first of all , thanx alot masters for giving me great response here

kosik said: ↑
Higher OBL = Lower link juice for you. If someone sell link from PBN for 1$ or sometimes less... I think PBN should be limited for OBL and in this case should be monthly fee, not one time payment because pbn owner need money to keep it good quality.
agreed , but so far i cant find any monthly pbn lower than $10 lol , mostly $20++ here

about OBL , is this right ? ===> 1 obl = 100% juice , 100 obl = 1/100 juice ?

GregFromMoonsy said: ↑
The truth is - if you want have effective PBN you should build it yourself.
In this case only you decide how long you pay for domains and hosting.

There is no difference between good PBN and typical blog.
In this case you don't even need to hide BL.

Good PBN have traffic and visibility in SERP for your keywords.
And thanks for this - each outgoing link have huge power for the anchor text.

Poor PBNs don't have any traffic or/and search visibility.
Only what poor PBNs have, it's metrics which Google not use, such DR/DA.
And for above reasons - have low effectivity.

Cheers, Greg.
i want to , but i got no knowledge and human resource to do that , and learning it would takes too long time (got tight TAT here)

about good/bad pbn , is good pbn with traffic got power like niche edit service in case of link juice ?

and bad pbn with no traffic (sometimes i found no RD at all lol) but high metrics , aint they giving site authorities if they link to our site ?
I think the link juice transferred from one site to another would depreciate over time, and you will need more links, or having links from new sites every now and then, to replenish the link juice being transferred. Or you can add other indication that your page is relevant, eg, social signals, bounce rates, relevance, etc, those should uphold SERP ranking a little bit in the process.
bout OBL , is this right ? ===> 1 obl = 100% juice , 100 obl = 1/100 juice ?
It's not exacly like that, but in simplified yes. It depends how deep is your link on website. Link from home page eg. from footer is better than from a post and also it depends if post is sticky to homepage or not.
The closer to home page the better.
About price- seo isn't cheap. It must cost if it have to be good.
It's not exacly like that, but in simplified yes. It depends how deep is your link on website. Link from home page eg. from footer is better than from a post and also it depends if post is sticky to homepage or not.
The closer to home page the better.
About price- seo isn't cheap. It must cost if it have to be good.
hehe , that 1/100 juice is the simplified way i see about obl , kinda my newb language ...

and yeah , i just noticed recently that seo is super expensive !! i barely touch the surface of seo and spent much money , cant imagine how much to spend to those who can maintain their page 1 rank 1 (talking about high compt kw) ....

and about sticky homepage post pbn service , is this service real ? i just heard this now
so homepage post and sink deep post got different value in google seo terms ?

also 1 more , about first topic , when a pbn power go down because of certain factors , and after certain time , are they still giving the mainsite power ?
eg. 1st day da tf 20+ , dr 40+ , obl less than 10
after 90 days da tf less than 10 , dr less than 15 , obl more than 100
I think the link juice transferred from one site to another would depreciate over time, and you will need more links, or having links from new sites every now and then, to replenish the link juice being transferred. Or you can add other indication that your page is relevant, eg, social signals, bounce rates, relevance, etc, those should uphold SERP ranking a little bit in the process.
thanx new master for the response,

yes i understand that case , but i have deeper question about it , are the link juices depreciate over time is happen to all links because its natural , or.... because they dont manage the site ?
i noticed this , but i just dont know why and how they become like this .... please enlighten me master
Good PBN have traffic and visibility in SERP for your keywords.
And thanks for this - each outgoing link have huge power for the anchor text.
i got no knowledge and human resource to do that , and learning it would takes too long time (got tight TAT here)
about good/bad pbn , is good pbn with traffic got power like niche edit service in case of link juice ?
and bad pbn with no traffic (sometimes i found no RD at all lol) but high metrics , aint they giving site authorities if they link to our site ?
Good sites have good rankings because have good links which Google consider as "quality" and "authority" measured by NEW PageRank.
Services like Moz or Ahrefs are based on old PageRank algorithm which NOT consider "trust" which Google use in NEW PageRank.

In the result, they have high metrics but null value for Google - and for this reason haven't any rank.
However we have still tons of old schools SEO's which stayed somewhere in 2012 and still counting BL or RD as "quality"

I think will be better and more effective to you find related to your niche blogs (with good ranking) and get paid post there.
Also I would like add few words about OBL.

Because @kosik forgot about on-page links.
So if you have 50 on-page links + 100 OBL, PageRank is divided by 150, not by 100 as he said, with all the rest I am agree.

@Purush - seems you got progress ;)
about OBL , is this right ? ===> 1 obl = 100% juice , 100 obl = 1/100 juice ?
If you are talking overall in a whole site, OBL force is calculated (this is known through Google Patents), considering the relevance of the page where the link is pointing out. Therefore, a link in the home is not the same as a link in a page that is 3 click away from the home.

Also, you may think: "then you can just put all the links in the home and offer a great PBN".
There are some theories that point to the fact that the position in the article impacts a lot on the OBL power. The ones in the top greatly diminish the ones in the bottom. So if there are 100 links, it's unlikely that the bottom 50 will get any juice at all and the first 3 will be profiting the most.

So when you buy PBN links you must ponder all this. Even when you buy guest articles this is something to be seriously considered.
Good sites have good rankings because have good links which Google consider as "quality" and "authority" measured by NEW PageRank.
Services like Moz or Ahrefs are based on old PageRank algorithm which NOT consider "trust" which Google use in NEW PageRank.

In the result, they have high metrics but null value for Google - and for this reason haven't any rank.
However we have still tons of old schools SEO's which stayed somewhere in 2012 and still counting BL or RD as "quality"

I think will be better and more effective to you find related to your niche blogs (with good ranking) and get paid post there.
Also I would like add few words about OBL.

Because @kosik forgot about on-page links.
So if you have 50 on-page links + 100 OBL, PageRank is divided by 150, not by 100 as he said, with all the rest I am agree.

@Purush - seems you got progress ;)

Cheers, Greg.
yes , getting niche related paid article is best , but its kinda difficult to find especially in my native , since im running for a gambling site

but wait , is thats true that metrics from ahrefs moz majestic actually got null value for google ? now im feeling lost , because i always takes them as my guidance to buy , even to check my own site score. so are you saying that BL and RD is better to focus on ? (i assume because they are the real visible metrics)


SirLouen said: ↑
If you are talking overall in a whole site, OBL force is calculated (this is known through Google Patents), considering the relevance of the page where the link is pointing out. Therefore, a link in the home is not the same as a link in a page that is 3 click away from the home.

Also, you may think: "then you can just put all the links in the home and offer a great PBN".
There are some theories that point to the fact that the position in the article impacts a lot on the OBL power. The ones in the top greatly diminish the ones in the bottom. So if there are 100 links, it's unlikely that the bottom 50 will get any juice at all and the first 3 will be profiting the most.

So when you buy PBN links you must ponder all this. Even when you buy guest articles this is something to be seriously considered.
simply said , getting links from sticky homepage post article is best thing to get atm (like kosik said earlier) ?? (compares to guest post , comments , or even deeper article post position)

more question on side topic , what about link diversity ? because from what i learnt , people mostly says that we should get link diversities as much as we can , aint guest posts , commments , also social signals , video , audio posts are good for our main site because they considered as link diversities ?

please correct me if im wrong masters , im sorry if this topic getting wider , but i will keep this still under same SEO , because im really struggling on defining best seo way to do , as previously im guessing that having PBN can give our mainsite huge jump (even theres still tons of other factors too)
but wait , is thats true that metrics from ahrefs moz majestic actually got null value for google ?
Of course that not all. However a lot of them are totally wrong valuated.
In the result, for example domain with 1K RD and high DA/DR don't have even single KW in first 100 results.

It's because passed link juice equal PageRank 0.
Where just 2 links which pass "trust" in NEW PageRank can give the PageRank 4 for example.

Jacks88 said: ↑
are you saying that BL and RD is better to focus on ?
Currently the best method to confirm link juice is just good ranking for keywords in anchor text (especially competitive keywords)
In this case it's even without any sense to checking BL, because Google already verified it.
Of course that not all. However a lot of them are totally wrong valuated.
In the result, for example domain with 1K RD and high DA/DR don't have even single KW in first 100 results.

It's because passed link juice equal PageRank 0.
Where just 2 links which pass "trust" in NEW PageRank can give the PageRank 4 for example.

Currently the best method to confirm link juice is just good ranking for keywords in anchor text (especially competitive keywords)
In this case it's even without any sense to checking BL, because Google already verified it.

Cheers, Greg.
Awesome explanation and example , thanks alot master !!

Last thing i want to discuss here :

In conclusion , is it still worth to have links from pbn nowdays ? (After certain google updates)

If yes , then which worth to do below :

Buy 1 time pbn with low metrics and low cost
Buy 1 time pbn with sticky homepage high metrics but higher cost
Rent monthly maintained pbn with higher cost

Or none above are worth so better build own pbn ? Which obviously cost more than any of those above

Note: all above terms are using low obl and 50+ rd

Please help to clarify this case for me and rest of us that still confuse on buying pbn in your personal opinion , any will welcome , i believe we are all are open minded people. Please add some explanation too on the answer masters
In conclusion , is it still worth to have links from pbn nowdays ? (After certain google updates)
Sure, but you need to be very careful and You should build the power instead of size.
So, you must have the patience to search for good domains which have anchor text related to your keywords.

Jacks88 said: ↑
Buy 1 time pbn with low metrics and low cost
Buy 1 time pbn with sticky homepage high metrics but higher cost
Rent monthly maintained pbn with higher cost
The best way is build own because only you decide how long you'll be pay for domain names and hosting.
Try to build the assets which you can sell as blog or site - especially with your links inside the post ;)

By this simple trick you'll minimize your costs - just you should include the notice that some pages can't be removed in sale agreement.
Also, the new buyer will be usually trusted for Google - no any poor tricks with fake persona / hidden whois needed.

Also please remember that it's far away better when behind the site is real person who use Google.
Because in this case Google know, that this site isn't yours.

When you'll purchase any PBN - you don't know how safe it is, especially when no traffic / ranking.
In most cases it will be wasted money.

Please remember too - from the home page coming only ~5% links.
Bad ratio here it's pretty nice signal for Google that you trying to fool the algo.

In result, Google will "mark" your site and thereafter will be very hard to get any positive results with SEO,
or it will take a while.

Just keep in mind what I said about anchor text / traffic / keywords in SERP - when you have on mind PBNs.
And effects will surprise you - only what you need is the patience.

SEO is the incredible effective tool for transfer $$ from fast beginners to patience professionals ;)
Just plant a tree and cultivate it slowly and systematically.
Sure, but you need to be very careful and You should build the power instead of size.
So, you must have the patience to search for good domains which have anchor text related to your keywords.


The best way is build own because only you decide how long you'll be pay for domain names and hosting.
Try to build the assets which you can sell as blog or site - especially with your links inside the post ;)

By this simple trick you'll minimize your costs - just you should include the notice that some pages can't be removed in sale agreement.
Also, the new buyer will be usually trusted for Google - no any poor tricks with fake persona / hidden whois needed.

Also please remember that it's far away better when behind the site is real person who use Google.
Because in this case Google know, that this site isn't yours.

When you'll purchase any PBN - you don't know how safe it is, especially when no traffic / ranking.
In most cases it will be wasted money.

Please remember too - from the home page coming only ~5% links.
Bad ratio here it's pretty nice signal for Google that you trying to fool the algo.

In result, Google will "mark" your site and thereafter will be very hard to get any positive results with SEO,
or it will take a while.

Just keep in mind what I said about anchor text / traffic / keywords in SERP - when you have on mind PBNs.
And effects will surprise you - only what you need is the patience.

SEO is the incredible effective tool for transfer $$ from fast beginners to patience professionals ;)
Just plant a tree and cultivate it slowly and systematically.

Good luck, Greg.
Wow , thank you so much for your awesome precious guidelines here , really appreciate them !

Uhmm .... I dunno about selling my future own pbn links , since selling links = more obl = less power ....

Noted about links must come from various placements aka diversities needed

Also noted about building own pbn , patiency and tons of luck is highly needed (to find those great pbn)

Thanx alot master greg for the awesome information and your time , hope i can start my own pbn soon , and good luck with your seo journey sir !
Wow , thank you so much for your awesome precious guidelines here , really appreciate them !
Uhmm .... I dunno about selling my future own pbn links , since selling links = more obl = less power ....
Noted about links must come from various placements aka diversities needed
Also noted about building own pbn , patiency and tons of luck is highly needed (to find those great pbn)
Thanx alot master greg for the awesome information and your time , hope i can start my own pbn soon , and good luck with your seo journey sir !
You welcome :)

Don't sell the links. Sell your PBN as site/blog with traffic and your links inside ;)
Selling the links is like searching for the troubles.

And please let me know about your results :)