Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - January 2, 2015

Jan 2nd, 2015
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  1. Session Start: Fri Jan 02 11:56:53 2015
  2. Session Ident: #KHWiki-noticeboard
  3. [11:57] * Attempting to rejoin channel #KHWiki-noticeboard
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  5. [11:57] * Topic is 'Welcome to #KHWiki-noticeboard, the official channel for business and wiki-related discussions on the subject of the independent KHWiki! Please refrain from socializing in this channel. You can do so in #KHWiki-social instead. Next Roundtable: January 2nd. Check out the current issue of the KHWiki magazine!'
  6. [11:57] * Set by Xion4ever!482f7d69@gateway/web/freenode/ip. on Sat Dec 20 13:26:25 2014
  7. [11:57] * ChanServ sets mode: +v KSM
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  10. [11:58] <VanitastheBloody> How far are we?
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  13. [11:59] <Pea14733> NOW
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  19. [12:04] <Pea14733> The first agenda is KSM's ._.
  20. [12:06] <Chainoffire> I kknow what it is, but I'd really like for him to be here for this
  21. [12:06] <Pea14733> I think I know what it is ._.
  22. [12:06] * FinalRest (de9bef04@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  23. [12:07] <VanitastheBloody> Hey.
  24. [12:07] * KSM is now known as KeybladeSpyMaste
  25. [12:07] <Pea14733> This has ti start NOW
  26. [12:08] <Byzantinefire> Agreed.
  27. [12:08] <AiXon> I'm all ears. ^^
  28. [12:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok
  29. [12:08] <Chainoffire> Good morning/evening/afternon everyone!
  30. [12:08] <MateusinhoEX> Here
  31. [12:09] <FifteenthMember> Guys
  32. [12:09] <FifteenthMember> Let's start
  33. [12:09] <Pea14733> So
  34. [12:09] <ENX> Agreed.
  35. [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Operation: Keychain
  36. [12:09] * FifteenthMember leans closer in
  37. [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It is basically a plan for the wiki for the next year.
  38. [12:09] <Chainoffire> probably the most imporatant thing on the agenda
  39. [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It started modestly towards the beginning of the month.
  40. [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Now we're at 10 pages.
  41. [12:09] <FifteenthMember> Ahem
  42. [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste>!25229&authkey=!APu1hi8c_kMdaLM
  43. [12:09] <FifteenthMember> link?
  44. [12:10] <FifteenthMember> woaah
  45. [12:10] <FifteenthMember> this is legit
  46. [12:10] <FifteenthMember> ^_^
  47. [12:10] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> With this, I officially move to close MegaProject: Arise. The only thing left is rolling over to Operation: Keychain, so we can call it good.
  48. [12:11] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 90% Complete, after all
  49. [12:11] <Chainoffire> agreed
  50. [12:11] <Pea14733> Ten pages O_o
  51. [12:11] <MateusinhoEX> Well, I'm member of at least 2 or 3 KH brazilian groups on Facebook
  52. [12:11] <Chainoffire> don't worry, we'll go over it al
  53. [12:11] <Chainoffire> **all
  54. [12:11] <MateusinhoEX> So I can share the Let's Play links with them, which would take some traffic here
  55. [12:11] <Pea14733> ^And podcast
  56. [12:12] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The whole thing is up for debate at anytime, really, but I think we should go down the list. I feel the first thing on it is the most important.
  57. [12:12] <Pea14733> I think I'll need a little time to rea all this ._.
  58. [12:12] <Pea14733> read*
  59. [12:12] <Chainoffire> we'll just go over it
  60. [12:12] <FifteenthMember> And I need to go
  61. [12:12] <FifteenthMember> wai
  62. [12:12] <FifteenthMember> >.>
  63. [12:12] <FifteenthMember> I'm sad
  64. [12:12] <Chainoffire> first of all, what's the whole point of this thing? we have 4 main goals
  65. [12:13] <Chainoffire> 1. Increase both of our traffics
  66. [12:14] <Chainoffire> 2. strengthen the bond between the sites
  67. [12:14] <Chainoffire> 3. efine, Strengthen and Expand the focus and coverage of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and The Keyhole
  68. [12:14] <Chainoffire> **Define
  69. [12:14] <Chainoffire> 4. Increase internet recognition of both the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and The Keyhole
  70. [12:15] <Chainoffire> our wiki has been too focused on internal affiars that we've forgotten who we are
  71. [12:15] <Chainoffire> and what we're supposed to do
  72. [12:15] <MateusinhoEX> I'm down on the Affliations part
  73. [12:16] <MateusinhoEX> I definnitely agree with unifying both
  74. [12:16] <MateusinhoEX> There's plenty of content we could use from KH Insider and Destiny Islands, for example.
  75. [12:16] <Chainoffire> Chainging grammar, making fancy templates, and designing our skin are good things to do, but we need to do more than that
  76. [12:17] <Chainoffire> people don't come here for good grammar, fancy templates and shiny skin. The come here to find where the goshd*** mushrooms are in the first game
  77. [12:17] <MateusinhoEX> Basically, one of the mst important things is fill the most possible ocntent
  78. [12:17] <MateusinhoEX> *content
  79. [12:17] * FifteenthMember ( Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  80. [12:17] <MateusinhoEX> like, completing every stub page, add missing animations and sprites
  81. [12:18] <Chainoffire> ehh.. that's still a bit internal, but it is definatly stuff that needs work
  82. [12:18] <Chainoffire> I'm not saying it's bad to do these things, I'm just saying our primary focus should be elsewhere
  83. [12:19] <Pea14733> True
  84. [12:19] <MateusinhoEX> I think I got it.
  85. [12:19] <MateusinhoEX> Focus on showing the wiki to more people
  86. [12:19] <MateusinhoEX> Getting more users and people to help
  87. [12:19] <Chainoffire> exactly
  88. [12:20] <MateusinhoEX> That's the main objective of the Magazine, for example
  89. [12:20] <VanitastheBloody> I'll put the time in.
  90. [12:20] <Chainoffire> right, and it's working wonderfuly.
  91. [12:20] <VanitastheBloody> To rewrite the articles.
  92. [12:20] <Chainoffire> when it gets out o time
  93. [12:20] <AiXon> Just a side note, for all the wikis involved, there are a huge number of KH fan pages for different characters on Facebook, some of which I follow. Asking for advertisement of the wikis might be a good idea. Just a thought
  94. [12:20] <Chainoffire> **on
  95. [12:20] <ENX> Forgive me for sounding dumb, but is it possible we could make the Wiki more like it was in its "glory days," before we all became so uptight and strict? I'm not saying allow our users to spit in the wind and do whatever, but it'd be nice if editing could feel less like unpaid work.
  96. [12:21] <ENX> Is it possible to do that through this project, I mean.
  97. [12:21] <Chainoffire> Yes, yes it is
  98. [12:21] <Chainoffire> and that's on our big 10 page list of stuff as well
  99. [12:21] <ENX> I mean we're all fans of Kingdom Hearts when you get down to it
  100. [12:21] <ENX> No one is better than anyone, smarter than anyone. It's like we're all friends who come to a gathering and geek out by sharing our knowledge.
  101. [12:22] <MateusinhoEX> I really think we can. I was very pleased when I saw you guys are making a Let's Play series
  102. [12:22] <Pea14733> Wait, what was the reason we became this strict?
  103. [12:22] <Chainoffire> KSM, would you take over here?
  104. [12:22] <Chainoffire> I'll be back shortly
  105. [12:23] <ENX> I don't realyl know why we were so strict. All I know is when I first joined, there were certain staffers who became inactive and were replaced with different staffers who had different objectives. And because the Wiki became a hierarchy with that change in staff, things started going downhill and our Wiki received a very bad reputation. I can't tell you how many negative comments I've read about us on this and other Wikis o
  106. [12:23] <ENX> Also how much traffic we lost when the Wikis split.
  107. [12:24] <ENX> So many people decided they'd rather be on the less-strict Keyhole.
  108. [12:24] <ENX> And for the longest time, KHWiki was mostly dead as a result.
  109. [12:24] <Pea14733> True
  110. [12:24] <VanitastheBloody> I
  111. [12:24] <MateusinhoEX> What I noticed, is that The Keyhole was really more, let's say, "famous" than the Wiki
  112. [12:25] <VanitastheBloody> I'm not sure how to make it un-strict
  113. [12:25] <MateusinhoEX> It was focusing more on users than content
  114. [12:25] <Pea14733> I don't feel that this khwiki is "strict"
  115. [12:25] <MateusinhoEX> ANd the KHWiki was the inverse
  116. [12:25] <ENX> What I envision is a warm, welcoming site where everyone's opinion matters and we try to work out what is best, rather than oppressing what people want.
  117. [12:25] <ENX> Basically what we need is a balance.
  118. [12:25] <ENX> For this "Greater Wiki"
  119. [12:25] <Byzantinefire> Doesn't everything need balance?
  120. [12:26] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> brb. Breakfast
  121. [12:26] <MateusinhoEX> A balance between both the Keyhole and the WIki
  122. [12:26] <VanitastheBloody> If we could combine them agian somehow.
  123. [12:26] <ENX> Like, "At KHWiki, we focus on the content, but we won't shoot you for talking to a friend via their talk page if they can't come on the IRC."
  124. [12:26] <Pea14733> Isn't that normal? ._.
  125. [12:27] <Pea14733> I think people just got a bad image on the word "strict"
  126. [12:27] <AiXon> The atmosphere on the Keyhole is created entirely by the users, as well as the staff, and there's no pressure to do things (If you volunteer for something, you're free to spend as much time as you want sorting it out). More enjoyment is had in the process...
  127. [12:27] <ENX> All I know is how i felt on the Wiki when I first joined vs. when the staff was changed.
  128. [12:27] <ENX> I once compared the KH Wiki and the goings-on there to Animal Farm
  129. [12:27] <ENX> If anyone's read that book
  130. [12:27] <Byzantinefire> Oh that book.
  131. [12:28] <VanitastheBloody> I heard of it, I think.
  132. [12:28] <Byzantinefire> Its a good book.
  133. [12:28] <Chainoffire> I hope you don't feel like the wiki is an Orwellian system
  134. [12:28] <Chainoffire> because that's not what we want
  135. [12:28] <MateusinhoEX> I understand ENX. I entered the KHWiki just after it's separation from the Keyhole. I htink that's the point were the wiki ended up more content focused, and users started to get that bad image
  136. [12:28] <ENX> Chainoffire, for the longest time, I felt like we were using an Orwellian system.
  137. [12:28] <Byzantinefire> here it is.
  138. [12:28] <ENX> And I got grief for expressing how I felt.
  139. [12:29] <VanitastheBloody> I really have no problem with this wiki the way it is now actually.
  140. [12:29] <VanitastheBloody> It's nice, and sociable.
  141. [12:29] <ENX> For the longest time, I felt antagonized by the community, and that was why I left for so long and lost my administrator rights.
  142. [12:29] <VanitastheBloody> What's strict about it, ENX?
  143. [12:29] <FinalRest> I get it too. I was one of the ones that moved to the KHWiki, only to move back to the Keyhole permanently
  144. [12:29] <MateusinhoEX> Like, if here they could not get any interaction with the other users, only having to focus on feeling pages, which is not true. If it weren't for you guys, maybe I would never have played KH3D, for example :)
  145. [12:29] <ENX> Well see, here's the thing
  146. [12:29] <Byzantinefire> Well i know that feeling ENX.
  147. [12:30] <MateusinhoEX> *filling pages, sorry :p
  148. [12:30] <VanitastheBloody> Matesuinho, how often are you here?
  149. [12:30] <Pea14733> He used to be a regular
  150. [12:30] <Pea14733> Now he has stuffs
  151. [12:31] <ENX> With MegaProject:Arise, I feel like people such as FM and KSM made valiant efforts to revive the KH Wiki into what it was. Honestly, the Wikis only split because the staff at the top of the pecking order decided they hated Wikia's overruling formatting changes.
  152. [12:31] <MateusinhoEX> Like, 1 year ago I left, and I was here for another whole one
  153. [12:31] <ENX> They found it grounds to say "We're a content site, and our old site is being left to become a fansite."
  154. [12:31] <VanitastheBloody> Fansite?
  155. [12:31] <Chainoffire> "We're only a wiki." - A forum from long ago
  156. [12:31] <Pea14733> Aren't we all fansites XD
  157. [12:31] <VanitastheBloody> I don't get it.
  158. [12:31] <Chainoffire> true dat
  159. [12:32] <ENX> I honestly don't know if I made the right choice to stay on the KHWiki...I never felt like I belonged or mattered. Even as an admin, I started feeling like I was elected only to fill a slot, not because I was considered worthy and deserving of the position.
  160. [12:32] <MateusinhoEX> We have to find a way to restore that image, to show that here there are also nice people behind the editors which are ready to help
  161. [12:32] <Byzantinefire> It could have worse.
  162. [12:32] <Pea14733> Aww come on. You worked so much
  163. [12:33] <ENX> I've put so much work into the Wiki and gotten so much negativity in return that I really do feel like it's an Orwellian site.
  164. [12:33] <ENX> I don't mean to complain guys, not at all.
  165. [12:33] <MateusinhoEX> And ENX, I really think you deserve the position, just for the small time we worked on the first magazine
  166. [12:33] <VanitastheBloody> Me too.
  167. [12:33] <ENX> Well that was something I wanted to ask about, giving my rights back.
  168. [12:33] <VanitastheBloody> I try to become like you simply because I want to become an Admin :p
  169. [12:33] <Chainoffire> actually ENX, that's also something we wanted to cover
  170. [12:34] <ENX> I'm here a lot more now, despite college, and with this new era of the Wiki, I feel as if I could really make a difference there
  171. [12:34] <ENX> And the Keyhole
  172. [12:34] * ANX219 (62139b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  173. [12:34] <ENX> I care about both sites. I just never understood the Keyhole :P That's my bad.
  174. [12:34] <MateusinhoEX> LIke, I feel the opposite as ENX. I sometimes feel bad for leaving you guys, leaving some of the things I started unfinished. Because I different from other users, saw the good side of the wiki.
  175. [12:34] <ENX> Well I did too
  176. [12:34] <ENX> It was certain people I couldn't stand :P
  177. [12:34] <Chainoffire> ENX: no problem, we're not exactly black and white
  178. [12:34] <Pea14733> I do, MEX
  179. [12:34] * AiXon (56a5a79b@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit
  180. [12:35] * Chainoffire (18f7ffbf@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has left #KHWiki-noticeboard
  181. [12:35] <MateusinhoEX> Everyone helped me make the first template (The Drive Forms one), one thing I never knew how to do, never had worked with codes before.
  182. [12:35] <ENX> All I know is there are plenty of times with my resumed activity that I feel like "This would be so much easier if I could just block this vandal/delete this page myself/move this image myself." Those are times when no one is around but me.
  183. [12:36] * TheSilentHero (541af050@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit
  184. [12:36] <ENX> A perfect example of what I'm talking about is my talk page. If you look at the earlier archives vs. the later ones, you can basically see the change in the Wiki right there from what it was to is.
  185. [12:36] <Byzantinefire> This seems so familiar.
  186. [12:37] <MateusinhoEX> I think we are on the right way. The return of the Featured User and the Mirage Arena are a good example. It was because of them I started editing after all. My initial goal was to be a Featured User, and be able to vote for the brackets
  187. [12:37] <ENX> This is basically the dawn of a new era. MegaProject:Arise was a huge success for so many reasons. It increased traffic and it also got me editing again because I noticed a change.
  188. [12:37] <MateusinhoEX> Those will sure bring new users and restore the friendly image of us
  189. [12:37] <MateusinhoEX> THE MAGAZINE MAN THAT IS AWESOME!
  190. [12:38] <Pea14733> Oh my god you don't know how touched I feel right now XD
  191. [12:38] <MateusinhoEX> I never told you guys, but I plan to store money to get PS4 and KH3 on release date to get working with them here ASP :)
  192. [12:39] <ENX> I don't mean to share a sob story, but I remember when I actually used to have friends on the Wiki. They were my only friends in the world. Now I basically have nobody, due to absence and my own hesitance to edit. I feel like the past few months on the KH Wiki when things were bad for us created a negative image of myself in everyone's mind. Maybe I'm just paranoid....
  193. [12:39] <VanitastheBloody> I'll be your friend.
  194. [12:39] <ANX219> <3
  195. [12:39] * VanitastheBloody handshakes
  196. [12:40] <ENX> But people like KSM, Vanitas, basically everyone at the guys are all so warm and close-seeming to each other that I get jealous :P
  197. [12:40] <Byzantinefire> Well i could expand your circle of friends.
  198. [12:40] <Pea14733> Yeah
  199. [12:40] <ENX> I want to be in on all the major projects and such :P
  200. [12:40] <Draaek> We can all be friends dw, wiki is amazing for bringing people together and I talk for both Keyhole and Wiki
  201. [12:40] <ANX219> internet is amazing for bringing people together
  202. [12:40] <ANX219> T~T
  203. [12:40] <VanitastheBloody> We should combine them. somehow.
  204. [12:40] <Pea14733> Yeah
  205. [12:40] <ENX> But we're not here to be sappy. My point is that I feel like the Wiki really lost something.
  206. [12:40] <Pea14733> We lost the fun of "community"
  207. [12:41] <VanitastheBloody> internet = my RL
  208. [12:41] <ENX> Like we may have comprehensive articles, sure, but we're only operating at 50% capacity, I feel like.
  209. [12:41] <MateusinhoEX> BUt I think it's getting taht thing back :)
  210. [12:41] <VanitastheBloody> We need more bonding instead of working
  211. [12:41] <ENX> Exactly!
  212. [12:41] <ANX219> that's why i proposed user trivia
  213. [12:41] <MateusinhoEX> Sorry for my english guys, its a little unused latelly
  214. [12:41] <FinalRest> What the Keyhole lost was a reason for existence. Kind of the opposite problem of the KHWiki. :P
  215. [12:41] <ENX> Exactly :P
  216. [12:42] <ANX219> so we could learn the weird stuff about each other and bond over the random stuff
  217. [12:42] <ENX> See, this is so Vanitas/Ventus
  218. [12:42] <MateusinhoEX> One thing I really liked in the Magazine was the interview
  219. [12:42] <ENX> Actually, the two wikis are EXACTLY like Ventus and Vanitas
  220. [12:42] <MateusinhoEX> and that is just the thing, together with the let's play and walkthroughs
  221. [12:42] <MateusinhoEX> that can bond us together
  222. [12:42] <VanitastheBloody> I don't know about that XD
  223. [12:42] <FinalRest> Is the Keyhole Ventus?
  224. [12:42] <ENX> I'd like to think those types of things are just a step in the right direction, though.
  225. [12:42] <Pea14733> Yeah and we're Vanitas
  226. [12:42] <VanitastheBloody> Yep.
  227. [12:42] <MateusinhoEX> Kinda
  228. [12:42] <Byzantinefire> No i don't see it like that.
  229. [12:42] <ANX219> i was having ideas of like a google hangout but that's like irc but seeing each other xD
  230. [12:42] <Byzantinefire> its not equal.
  231. [12:43] <VanitastheBloody> "What's yours, is mine."
  232. [12:43] <MateusinhoEX> We have the Negativity :p
  233. [12:43] <Pea14733> Anyway guys
  234. [12:43] <Pea14733> What do we do?
  235. [12:43] <ENX> And well, the point I wanted to make with that comment was this: we're broken, not whole...we have the potential to FORGE THE X-BLADE
  236. [12:43] <ENX> Meaning, we both have what the other needs.
  237. [12:43] <ENX> Our Wiki's hearts are shattered, to continue the metaphor.
  238. [12:43] <Byzantinefire> Your implying a merge.
  239. [12:43] <Pea14733> I think we had this merge discussion long ago
  240. [12:44] * FifteenthMember ( has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  241. [12:44] <FifteenthMember> GUYS
  242. [12:44] <Pea14733> I was in favor for it
  243. [12:44] <FifteenthMember> I'M BACK
  244. [12:44] <FifteenthMember> WHEE
  245. [12:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> back
  246. [12:44] <FifteenthMember> may I have a log
  247. [12:44] <FifteenthMember> please?
  248. [12:44] <MateusinhoEX> wb FM
  249. [12:44] <ANX219> can you elaborate Pea xD
  250. [12:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Where are we?
  251. [12:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I can look back, but it's super long.
  252. [12:44] <ANX219> metaphors and bonding and such
  253. [12:45] <FifteenthMember> does that mean
  254. [12:45] * Pea14733 is finding the forum thread
  255. [12:45] <FifteenthMember> I don't get a log?
  256. [12:45] <FifteenthMember> I cri ;_;
  257. [12:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Can't believe I missed so much in 20 minutes.
  258. [12:45] <ENX> I could see how you'd think that, but that's not really what I'm saying. I'm thinking on a larger scale, the "Grand Wiki"
  259. [12:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, give me a sec
  260. [12:45] <Byzantinefire> Two sides of a coin that is no longer currency.
  261. [12:46] <ENX> Like, we can stay separate, but I feel as if both sites should draw elements from the other.
  262. [12:46] <FifteenthMember> KSM
  263. [12:46] <FifteenthMember> You are amazing
  264. [12:46] <FifteenthMember> Thank you :D
  265. [12:46] <MateusinhoEX> I agree with ENX
  266. [12:46] <MateusinhoEX> I don't think merging both wikis again is the point
  267. [12:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> No
  268. [12:46] <MateusinhoEX> Each one has it's diferences
  269. [12:46] <Pea14733>
  270. [12:46] <MateusinhoEX> But I really think we should bond them together
  271. [12:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And the very reason we left is about to get worse if anyone saw Wikia's plan for the future.
  272. [12:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree with MEX
  273. [12:47] <Pea14733> I remember seeing some comments on th Keygole about it
  274. [12:47] <Byzantinefire> It doesn't seem that bad.
  275. [12:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM
  276. [12:47] <FifteenthMember> KSM, you get another cookie
  277. [12:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yay!
  278. [12:48] <MateusinhoEX> I for example, still don't like Wikia's style. I feel kinda lost when searching for images there, for example.
  279. [12:48] <Pea14733> I'm pretty sure most of (at the time) agreed with the merge
  280. [12:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Guys, so, we have a few things for the first section, now that I'm kinda here more perma-style compared to the first hour.
  281. [12:48] <MateusinhoEX> What don't happens with the name spaces here
  282. [12:48] <Sove> The new skin Wikia is developing is already causing rage on some FFWiki designers
  283. [12:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> of the Roundtable
  284. [12:48] <Pea14733> However, the Keyhole was like "WHY? WE DN"T NEED THEM"
  285. [12:48] <Sove> Because their ads will for example fuck over the infoboxes
  286. [12:49] <Sove> And you can't really fix that
  287. [12:49] * Xion4ever (482f7d69@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  288. [12:49] <ENX> Right, Wikia's formatting is atrocious.
  289. [12:49] <Byzantinefire> I don't have a problem with ads.
  290. [12:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Xion4ever
  291. [12:49] <ANX219> the reason we merged was because of the freedom of design and not to be supressed by the disgraceful oasis skin
  292. [12:49] <Sove> The same type of infoboxes khwiki has
  293. [12:49] <Sove> They would be utterly broken by the new upcoming skin
  294. [12:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Hey Xion, you're here!
  295. [12:49] <FifteenthMember> Wow
  296. [12:49] <FifteenthMember> Someone brought up Animal Farm
  297. [12:49] <ENX> Guilty as charged
  298. [12:49] <FifteenthMember> I nominate this roundtable to be the Best Roundtable in History
  299. [12:50] <+Xion4ever> Sorry I'm late. Just got back form out of town.
  300. [12:50] <ANX219> i gave her the log dont worry
  301. [12:50] <+Xion4ever> So, where are we?
  302. [12:50] <ANX219> animal farm where
  303. [12:50] <MateusinhoEX> ike, I don1t know if any of the infoboxes I helped design would work at the Keyhole
  304. [12:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Xion, I think they've been discussing the history and such. Not much on actual decisions.
  305. [12:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But that's fine.
  306. [12:51] <+Xion4ever> Okay. Are we still on Operation: Keychain?
  307. [12:51] <Pea14733> Yeds
  308. [12:51] <Pea14733> Yes*
  309. [12:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste>
  310. [12:51] <ENX> I'm sorry I went off on such a tangent
  311. [12:51] <Pea14733> My fingernails are long so lots of typo >.>
  312. [12:52] <MateusinhoEX> So resumig that topic
  313. [12:52] <Pea14733> What do we do
  314. [12:52] <FifteenthMember> Okie
  315. [12:52] <Pea14733> ?
  316. [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So, we kinda need to get on the actual meat of Operation: Keychain.
  317. [12:52] <MateusinhoEX> MAN MY ENGLISH IS F****** BAD TODAY
  318. [12:52] <FifteenthMember> So I've caught up
  319. [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ultimately, it evolved to somewhat include the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki
  320. [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 'Cept no one from there is here...
  321. [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But that's fine.
  322. [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So. "a. What is the nature of the three wikis (,, and"
  323. [12:53] <FifteenthMember> 19:51:53] <Pea14733> My fingernails are long so lots of typo >.>
  324. [12:53] <Byzantinefire> Well your here aren't you.
  325. [12:53] <FifteenthMember> rofl
  326. [12:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> "Clarify the purpose, aim, and goals of each wiki, especially The Keyhole. Promote those aims and goals."
  327. [12:53] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  328. [12:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We've had some problem over the last two days trying to clarify The Keyhole's purpose.
  329. [12:53] <Pea14733> ^
  330. [12:54] <ENX> All I understand about the Keyhole is what was left after KHWiki became a thing.
  331. [12:54] <FifteenthMember> Alright
  332. [12:54] <ANX219> i have always had a problem with why does the keyhole exist
  333. [12:54] <FifteenthMember> So, here's what I think
  334. [12:54] <ENX> So it had all our old content-focused articles, and then it was left to do what it wanted.
  335. [12:54] <FinalRest> We're toted as "fansite", but what does that even mean? No proper content save for fandom sections?
  336. [12:54] <FifteenthMember> The KHWiki aims to be the full encyclopedia
  337. [12:54] <FifteenthMember> With total professionalism
  338. [12:55] <FifteenthMember> All based on the GAMES
  339. [12:55] <FifteenthMember> But actually
  340. [12:55] <MateusinhoEX> With the most possible and complete content
  341. [12:55] <ENX> I believe KrytenKoro's description of hte Keyhole was that it was allowed to include speculation, that sort of thing.
  342. [12:55] <FifteenthMember> The manga and song projects contradicts that
  343. [12:55] <FifteenthMember> So, perhaps we've grown out of that
  344. [12:55] <FifteenthMember> The Keyhole focus is FANDOM
  345. [12:55] <FifteenthMember> So including info on cosplays, events, real life, that sort of thing
  346. [12:55] <Pea14733> NO, we have khfanon for that
  347. [12:55] <ANX219> keyhole ~ khwiki with less details and fanart
  348. [12:55] <FinalRest> ^
  349. [12:55] <FinalRest> Which sucks
  350. [12:55] <FifteenthMember> I don't know what's on fanon
  351. [12:56] <FifteenthMember> I thought that was fanfics
  352. [12:56] <FifteenthMember> And stuff
  353. [12:56] <Draaek> I'm like fm I have no idea what to define as fanon
  354. [12:56] * Chainoffire (4b806994@gateway/web/freenode/session) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  355. [12:56] <ENX> I believe the KHWiki should still be content and all that professionalism, but something important we mentioned earlier with my sob story and all that was we need a stronger sense of and support for COMMUNITY
  356. [12:56] <+Xion4ever> Guys.
  357. [12:56] <FifteenthMember> Honestly
  358. [12:56] <FifteenthMember> I like the KHWiki community
  359. [12:56] <FifteenthMember> I wasn't here in the pre-merge days
  360. [12:57] <FifteenthMember> But everyone on the KHWiki, including all the admins, are nice imo
  361. [12:57] <ANX219> twas a workload i was absent for
  362. [12:57] <ENX> You came into it, FM, when things were starting to get better
  363. [12:57] <+Xion4ever> Guys.
  364. [12:57] <+Xion4ever> We're getting off track.
  365. [12:57] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  366. [12:57] <FifteenthMember> The KHWiki does do community after MegaProject Arise anyways
  367. [12:58] <MateusinhoEX> WHich means were on the right track
  368. [12:58] <MateusinhoEX> One thing we need to restore this year
  369. [12:58] <MateusinhoEX> is the End of Year Event
  370. [12:58] <FifteenthMember> err
  371. [12:58] <FifteenthMember> We done that
  372. [12:58] <FifteenthMember> lol
  373. [12:58] <ENX> I've already stated how I feel that was just a step in the right direction, not an end
  374. [12:58] <FifteenthMember> I spent ages on it
  375. [12:58] <MateusinhoEX> Really?... I... missed it?... But I checked....
  376. [12:59] <MateusinhoEX> *starts crying*
  377. [12:59] <FifteenthMember>
  378. [12:59] <FifteenthMember> 2015 MEX, 2016
  379. [12:59] <FifteenthMember> *2015
  380. [12:59] * FifteenthMember pats shoulder
  381. [12:59] <FifteenthMember> The purpose of the Keyhole
  382. [13:00] <FifteenthMember> Could be like simple wikipedia
  383. [13:00] <FifteenthMember> Where it's all summarised
  384. [13:00] <Pea14733> I don't think so
  385. [13:00] <ANX219> that's what i see it as so far
  386. [13:01] <+Xion4ever> FinalRest Chainoffire Draaek : What do you guys want the Keyhole to be?
  387. [13:01] <+Xion4ever> I don't think anyone ever asked you guys what your thoughts are.
  388. [13:01] <Draaek> well if I can be honest I'm still new to all of this
  389. [13:01] <Draaek> but I agree to some extent with anx, before joining wiki I would come to keyhole to learn about KH
  390. [13:02] <Chainoffire> good question.
  391. [13:02] <Draaek> but I ended moving to khwiki for more detailed info once I started playing
  392. [13:02] <Chainoffire> But we came up with an idea
  393. [13:02] * FifteenthMember leans in
  394. [13:02] <MateusinhoEX> me is same as Draaek
  395. [13:02] <Chainoffire> So, here me out
  396. [13:02] <Chainoffire> first of all let's get something straight
  397. [13:02] * ENX listens
  398. [13:03] <Chainoffire> Both sites have pros and cons
  399. [13:03] <FifteenthMember> yep
  401. [13:03] <FifteenthMember> yep
  402. [13:03] <Pea14733> Yeah
  403. [13:03] <Chainoffire> You can have opinoins, but that doesn't make you better than the other peson
  404. [13:03] <FifteenthMember> but if we ever do an end of year event 2015 between the two wikis
  405. [13:03] <FifteenthMember> ...we're going to win
  406. [13:03] * FifteenthMember is shot
  407. [13:03] <FifteenthMember> Joking
  408. [13:03] <ANX219> shhhhhhhhh
  409. [13:03] <Draaek> ^
  410. [13:03] <Pea14733> ^
  411. [13:04] <MateusinhoEX> ^
  412. [13:04] <FifteenthMember> sorry o_O
  413. [13:04] <Chainoffire> ^^
  414. [13:04] <Chainoffire> anyways
  415. [13:04] * Chainoffire (4b806994@gateway/web/freenode/session) Quit (Changing host)
  416. [13:04] * Chainoffire (4b806994@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  417. [13:04] <FifteenthMember> rip
  418. [13:04] <Chainoffire> Now here me out completely before you go bananas
  419. [13:04] * FifteenthMember zips
  420. [13:04] <Chainoffire> Our idea is to split the sites
  421. [13:04] <Chainoffire> info
  422. [13:05] * MateusinhoEX shut up
  423. [13:05] * ANX219 hands fm a stress toy (be quiet now)
  424. [13:05] <FifteenthMember> >.>
  425. [13:05] <Chainoffire> We would have some of the information be hosted at The Keyhole, and other info at
  426. [13:05] <Chainoffire> Worlds at Keyhole, Characters at, etc.
  427. [13:06] <Pea14733> .....what
  428. [13:06] * ENX is already not ok with this
  429. [13:06] <Chainoffire> whatever site has the info, the other one would have a list
  430. [13:06] <Chainoffire> LISTEN.
  431. [13:06] <Byzantinefire> Sounds extreme.
  432. [13:06] <MateusinhoEX> OKay, were listening.
  433. [13:06] <FifteenthMember> I'll wait til the end
  434. [13:07] <Chainoffire> ever since the merge, heck even the split, one site has gotten the short end of the stick over the other
  435. [13:07] <Byzantinefire> the keyhole you mean.
  436. [13:07] <Chainoffire> The keyhole is down to like.. 4 editors, and is behind on info
  437. [13:07] <FinalRest> Split: KHWiki was shafted. Merge: Keyhole was
  438. [13:08] <Chainoffire> exactly
  439. [13:08] <FifteenthMember> Alright, continue~
  440. [13:08] <Chainoffire> this way we could split the information and become one site in a sense.
  441. [13:08] <Pea14733> It'd be seriously troublesome
  442. [13:08] <MateusinhoEX> Wait, Keyhole pages have more info and details than the Khwiki ones now? Sorry, I was absent, you know...
  443. [13:08] <FifteenthMember> I'm against it
  444. [13:09] <FifteenthMember> It sounds like the perfect way to make all our visitors run away to be honest
  445. [13:09] <Chainoffire> The information would be spread equally. No one would become "just an archive fansite"
  446. [13:09] <FifteenthMember> We were always the same community in two different places
  447. [13:09] <Chainoffire> except were not
  448. [13:09] <MateusinhoEX> I'm also against it. That would be bad for both.
  449. [13:09] <Pea14733> I think a complete merge sounds better ...
  450. [13:10] <FifteenthMember> Ideally, yes. Being one site would be the best
  451. [13:10] <Sove> And all of this could have been avoided if the community didn't just leave keyhole to fend for itself, like it did. Choose a few admins there and leave it to fend for itself >_>
  452. [13:10] <Chainoffire> can i finisih?
  453. [13:10] <FifteenthMember> Oh, I thought you have. sorry >.>
  454. [13:10] <Chainoffire> NO ONE SITE IS TO BLAME
  455. [13:10] <Draaek> guys really let chain finish the idea and then we all give out opinions
  457. [13:11] <Chainoffire> let's look at the sites now. How many people edit at both the keyhole and
  458. [13:11] <MateusinhoEX> We are quiet. PLease, finish.
  459. [13:11] * Chainoffire is a slow think-typer
  460. [13:12] <FifteenthMember> About five at the keyhole, ten at KHWiki, I'd say
  461. [13:12] <FifteenthMember> Oh
  462. [13:12] <Chainoffire> No..
  463. [13:12] <ENX> I am in agreement that no one and no site is superior. But I feel like the KHWiki's the site that should be the primary source of info, since that was what it was created for. Yes, it was wrong to be abandoned. KHWiki was only made so we could be independent from Wikia. I'd like to think of KHWiki as a site like Bulbapedia, yet we're still connected to the Wikia site...
  464. [13:12] <FifteenthMember> "both" >.>
  465. [13:12] <FifteenthMember> never mind
  466. [13:12] <Chainoffire> How many people edit both.
  467. [13:12] <FifteenthMember> No one edits at both, no
  468. [13:12] <Chainoffire> ^
  469. [13:12] * ENX would edit both if he actually knew what the heck the Keyhole was for
  470. [13:12] <Byzantinefire> Wait i edit both on occasion.
  471. [13:12] <Chainoffire> and yet we're one community? bull.
  472. [13:13] <FifteenthMember> Except we share in the same community events
  473. [13:13] <Chainoffire> *sigh*
  474. [13:13] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Two
  475. [13:13] <FifteenthMember> The only difference between us the mainspace
  476. [13:13] <MateusinhoEX> Guys
  477. [13:13] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> You and FR
  478. [13:13] <MateusinhoEX> when you considered merging...
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  480. [13:13] <FifteenthMember> Hey NZ
  481. [13:13] <Chainoffire> yes. we do stuff together, but who actually edits at both sites?
  482. [13:13] <Neumannz> Hey
  483. [13:13] <MateusinhoEX> have you ever considered merging to the KHwiki, not to the Keyhole?
  484. [13:14] <FifteenthMember> Except, no one was meant to edit at both
  485. [13:14] <Chainoffire> MEX: I'll give you a little insight on that
  486. [13:14] <FifteenthMember> The point was the KHWiki is for one purpose
  487. [13:14] <FifteenthMember> And the Keyhole is for another
  488. [13:14] <Chainoffire> I would come to
  489. [13:14] <MateusinhoEX> Like, stop using Wikia, the thing that caused all the trouble.
  490. [13:14] <Chainoffire> I would LOVE to just go to
  491. [13:14] <Chainoffire> "the thing" stop it.
  492. [13:15] <Chainoffire> There's one problem for keyhole users
  493. [13:15] <MateusinhoEX> sorry
  494. [13:16] <MateusinhoEX> So what is the problem?
  495. [13:17] <Pea14733> The community is split
  496. [13:17] <Chainoffire> At the keyhole, we've edited like crazy, made our own democracy after we've been left to clean the rubble, come to power and build the site to what it is, created memories, and occasionally review an anime or two. (The last ones minor, but it's still a little something.)
  497. [13:17] <Chainoffire> If we were to come to the .net, we'd lose all that
  498. [13:18] <MateusinhoEX> oh...
  499. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> can I speak?
  500. [13:18] <Chainoffire> the 2 past years of editing would've been for nothing.
  501. [13:18] <Chainoffire> Yes 15M?
  502. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> IDEALLY, joining the two sites would solve all the problems.
  503. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> But we've already gone way too far to do that
  504. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> We definitely need some solution to Keyhole's problem
  505. [13:19] * Byzantinefire (c6309587@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  506. [13:19] <FifteenthMember> However, splitting the content between sites like that is definitely not the right way to go about things
  507. [13:19] <FifteenthMember> It'll ruin both sites
  508. [13:19] <Chainoffire> do you have another suggestion?
  509. [13:19] <MateusinhoEX> I agree with FM.
  510. [13:19] <FifteenthMember> What I am thinking is that the KHWiki covers all the game info, like it was originally conceputalised
  511. [13:20] <MateusinhoEX> If were at the point fo spliting the content on both, needing to use both as f they were one
  512. [13:20] <FifteenthMember> And the Keyhole covers manga, novel, music etc.
  513. [13:20] <FifteenthMember> THat's a much better way to "split" the content
  514. [13:20] <ENX> I honestly think that perhaps we're going about this the wrong way
  515. [13:20] <FifteenthMember> Than disjointing everything
  516. [13:21] <Draaek> but wouldnt that create more attention to khwiki than to keyhole?
  517. [13:21] <MateusinhoEX> I really think that the soluting here would be the merge.FMs idea is not good too. Draaek is right.
  518. [13:21] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> As in closing
  519. [13:21] <MateusinhoEX> What exactly would be missing from the Keyhole if we merged, CoF?
  520. [13:22] <Chainoffire> That's kind of what we're going for FM. I just used poor examples ^.^'
  521. [13:22] <MateusinhoEX> No, KSM. Mos of our templates wouldn't work on Wikia
  522. [13:22] <Chainoffire> KSM: We don't want to completely go back to the tyrranny of wikia
  523. [13:22] <MateusinhoEX> What I tought was, merge the content of Keyhole that is missing from the Wiki to here.
  524. [13:22] <ENX> We've been constantly trying to float back and forth between the two sites, for one reason or another. I honestly think we should be independent of each other, but on good terms. Again, I'll use the example of Bulbapedia vs. The Pokémon Wiki. Both are the "ultimate" Pokémon site for NEIWA and Wikia, respectively. Yet they exist independently of each other, don't compete, et cetera.
  525. [13:22] <Chainoffire> KSM: then all the edits on would be useless
  526. [13:23] <ENX> There's no reason why one site should have something that the other doesn't.
  527. [13:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I know, I just wondered if that's what MEX meant.
  528. [13:23] <FifteenthMember> All the partnerships, magazine, podcasts, LPs, joint projects are pointless
  529. [13:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm against closing
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  531. [13:23] <MateusinhoEX> ENX example is a good one.
  532. [13:23] <FifteenthMember> closing is not an option, agreed
  533. [13:23] <Chainoffire> ENX: Then we'd be competing against each otehr
  534. [13:23] <ENX> Not true, Chainoffire.
  535. [13:23] <ENX> If there's a way to get the Keyhole to a point where that would not be necessary...
  536. [13:24] <FifteenthMember> Any response on my idea?
  537. [13:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> What'd I miss?
  538. [13:24] <FifteenthMember> The KHWiki stays completely in-universe with the game
  539. [13:24] <FifteenthMember> with the Keyhole linking in lists etc. as it does now
  540. [13:24] <FifteenthMember> And the Keyhole having all our manga, song, novel pages
  541. [13:25] <FifteenthMember> With us linking to them in lists
  542. [13:25] <Chainoffire> I can work with that
  543. [13:25] <+Xion4ever> Splitting information is a bad idea
  544. [13:25] <ENX> Your idea, FM, would personally make me feel like our site was missing something.
  545. [13:25] <Chainoffire> kinda like The Keyhole?
  546. [13:25] <ENX> I want to edit on a KH site that has it all, not have to go to one place to work on one thing and then to another to work on something else.
  547. [13:25] <MateusinhoEX> Splitting is not the way.
  548. [13:25] <ENX> Like I said just now, there is no reason why one site should have something that the other doesn't.
  549. [13:26] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think in general, we're against splitting the content altogether. Rather than try and split the stick, as Chain used that metaphor earlier, more evenly, why not make the stick bigger?
  550. [13:26] <MateusinhoEX> That's why I think the merge is the option
  551. [13:26] <Draaek> well I have to go, sry for not being able to give much of my opinion in this
  552. [13:26] <Sove> Merging the content of the wikis leads nowhere. The reason is, why have two sites of equal content?
  553. [13:26] <Chainoffire> KSM: how so?
  554. [13:27] * Draaek (bbe9a985@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  555. [13:27] <MateusinhoEX> i still don't know what content of the Keyhole is exactly diferent from ours
  556. [13:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Plus, if we merge the content, eventually, we'd have to either a) the content eventually changes on both sites, or b) we'd need to run back and forth to keep the content identical.
  557. [13:27] <VanitastheBloody> What's happening?
  558. [13:27] <MateusinhoEX> Since we plan on both having the same content
  559. [13:27] <Sove> Again, why have two wikis with the same content
  560. [13:28] <Sove> It leads nowhere
  561. [13:28] <Sove> You'll be having this same convo next year if that happens
  562. [13:28] <Pea14733> Exactly
  563. [13:28] <Pea14733> We need solution
  564. [13:28] <FifteenthMember> We can rule out the following
  565. [13:28] <ENX> This is why I said we should be separate but equal.
  566. [13:28] <MateusinhoEX> Like, Bulbapedia and Poke Wiki example
  567. [13:29] <ENX> Exactly.
  568. [13:29] <ANX219> divisions of content rather than power
  569. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> ENX
  570. [13:29] <Chainoffire> shhhhh.
  571. [13:29] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> My personal idea, if I may.
  572. [13:29] <Chainoffire> let 15M speak
  573. [13:29] <Sove> khwiki shoots itself in the foot if that happens, Wikia's SEO is simply far superior
  574. [13:29] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, I'll wait on FM
  575. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> That would work if the second wiki would have started with a fresh database of completely new users
  576. [13:29] <Sove> Bulbapedia is only dominant because it started way before the wikia
  577. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> But the KHWiki has roots in the Keyhole
  578. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> And the Keyhole spent two years running away from its roots
  579. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> And at this point, the Keyhole is behind in content if we want to make both wikis cover the same content
  580. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  581. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> So
  582. [13:30] <MateusinhoEX> I will take a bath, brb
  583. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> We can rule out that
  584. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> *the wikis will not merge again and neither site will close
  585. [13:31] <ENX> The point is that KHWiki is not a Wikia site anymore, yet we keep trying to act like we are. The idea was to break away, yet people keep insisting that we go back to it, help it out, that sort of thing.
  586. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> *Having both wikis have the exact same purpose and scope is pointless
  587. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> Wikia has nothing to do with it
  588. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> It's the fact that we need to go back and help the fellow editors still there
  589. [13:31] <Chainoffire> ENX: let him speak
  590. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> Who we left behind
  591. [13:31] <ENX> Chainoffire, I am. I just thought he was done
  592. [13:32] <FifteenthMember> So, bearing those two points have been ruled out,
  593. [13:32] <FifteenthMember> *that those
  594. [13:32] <ANX219> they wanted to stay
  595. [13:32] <VanitastheBloody> Le'ts spot the diffrences.
  596. [13:32] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> May I proceed with my idea?
  597. [13:32] <FifteenthMember> We have to either be different by
  598. [13:33] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Sorry. continue
  599. [13:33] <FifteenthMember> Covering different scopes of the entire kingdom hearts franchise
  600. [13:33] <FifteenthMember> or have the same scope but display our content differently (like one being a summarised alternative)
  601. [13:33] <FifteenthMember> Done
  602. [13:33] <ENX> I prefer option 2
  603. [13:33] <VanitastheBloody> Having two wikis is unnececary.
  604. [13:33] <FifteenthMember> yes, we know
  605. [13:33] <FifteenthMember> We've been through this
  606. [13:33] <FifteenthMember> And we're staying at two wikis
  607. [13:34] <VanitastheBloody> I'm sorry, I missed it.
  608. [13:34] <VanitastheBloody> But why?
  609. [13:34] <Pea14733> Their community is there
  610. [13:34] <ENX> And I'm partial to KHWiki being the one with the more comprehensive info not because I believe it is better, but because the sole purpose for its existence is to be such a site; that is what it was founded upon.
  611. [13:34] <Chainoffire> 15M: do you have more to say on your points?
  612. [13:34] <FifteenthMember> Nope
  613. [13:34] <FifteenthMember> KSM, what is your idea?
  614. [13:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> First, I think we need to get some other things clear so that we get a solution that's both agreeable and we stop arguing here.
  615. [13:35] <VanitastheBloody> Yeah.
  616. [13:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We can't close either wiki, both for sentimental/emotional/whatever reason, and because we physically cannot close The Keyhole. It'd be stupid to close after five years, too.
  617. [13:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So that's out
  618. [13:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 2nd - What we're trying to do here is not force anyone to move to either wiki against their will, but to encourage it to happen
  619. [13:36] <VanitastheBloody> More would get accompilished if we were one.
  620. [13:37] <ENX> KSM, could you please clarify the last thing you said?
  621. [13:37] <VanitastheBloody> If we all work together, then alot will get done.
  622. [13:37] <ENX> It sounds to me like that'd still be trying to get people to change Wikis.
  623. [13:37] <+Xion4ever> -_-
  624. [13:37] <FifteenthMember> Let him finish
  625. [13:38] <ENX> I'm just confused by what he said. Sheesh. Let's please cease with the hostility.
  626. [13:38] <VanitastheBloody> Xion, when did you arrive?
  627. [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> No, we don't want to have anyone leave the other wiki, but to in essence cross-edit.
  628. [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> To be accessible at both wikis if possible.
  629. [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So, with that in mind, my idea.
  630. [13:38] <VanitastheBloody> I see.
  631. [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I was thinking, we should try and split the non-immediately-mainspace content from khwiki, and have our social aspects on The Keyhole.
  632. [13:38] <VanitastheBloody> I think I get it.
  633. [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's on the Word doc, some of the ideas I had.
  634. [13:39] <FifteenthMember> "non-immediately-mainspace "
  635. [13:39] <VanitastheBloody> Basically,
  636. [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Only word I could come up with, but it doesn't work.
  637. [13:39] <VanitastheBloody> Edit mainspace KHWIKI.
  638. [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyways
  639. [13:39] <VanitastheBloody> And social on Keyhole.
  640. [13:39] <FifteenthMember> KSM, do you have more?
  641. [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Vanitas has it.
  642. [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But yeah. So among what we could do.
  643. [13:39] <ENX> That works for me
  644. [13:40] <VanitastheBloody> I like that Idea.
  645. [13:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Chain mentioned to me that the Underdrome is closing this week
  646. [13:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> He's the only one that maintains it, and he can't anymore.
  647. [13:40] <ENX> What if Keyhole was a site sorta like KH13 or KHInsider, reporting news and such? I remember KrytenKoro saying something about that when SEIWA was first formed...
  648. [13:40] <VanitastheBloody> The Mirage Arena isin't holding well either.
  649. [13:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Since it's basically the Mirage Arena at The Keyhole, I think we should move the Mirage Arena to The Keyhole
  650. [13:41] <VanitastheBloody> Let's get a diffrent name.
  651. [13:41] <Byzantinefire> It sounds like Fanpedia.
  652. [13:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Either now, or at the end of Round 5 (in about two months following the Joint Struggle
  653. [13:41] <VanitastheBloody> To show our changes, or soething.
  654. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> Yes
  655. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> That can happen
  656. [13:41] * ENX is confused
  657. [13:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We can close two of our social-aimed forums at, too.
  658. [13:41] <ENX> What can happen, exactly?
  659. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> Yep, that too
  660. [13:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (I believe it's Twilight Town Library and the Usual Spot)
  661. [13:42] <ENX> No one even uses the social forums anymore.
  662. [13:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Precisely
  663. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> people do occasionally on the khwiki
  664. [13:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But some people at times do come
  665. [13:42] <Pea14733> Yeah everything is on the IRC these days
  666. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> And they never get responses
  667. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> So they leave
  668. [13:42] <ENX> Which is bad on our parts.
  669. [13:42] <Pea14733> And IRC is hard to reach
  670. [13:42] <ENX> Which is why we should redirect them to the Keyhole then, yes?
  671. [13:42] <VanitastheBloody> Yeah.
  672. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> Ues
  673. [13:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We can also move for social-related discussions to be held at The Keyhole instead of
  674. [13:42] <Pea14733> Yeah
  675. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> *yes
  676. [13:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> At our respective talk pages, but over there.
  677. [13:42] <VanitastheBloody> The Keyhole will join with it's better half.
  678. [13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We don't need to be over strict on that, but we should encourage it.
  679. [13:43] <ENX> Except neither is better than the other.
  680. [13:43] <ENX> But yes, I like where this is going
  681. [13:43] <VanitastheBloody> What about talk pages?
  682. [13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The idea of making The Keyhole also more news-aimed is also something that we could encourage/consider.
  683. [13:43] <ENX> Not that my opinion matters...but well, in terms of talk pages...
  684. [13:43] <VanitastheBloody> Should we keep talk pages to the keyhole?
  685. [13:44] <Pea14733> Talkpages stay
  686. [13:44] <Chainoffire> We could, if people are willing to go to conventions and stuff
  687. [13:44] <FifteenthMember> We need talkpages on both
  688. [13:44] <FinalRest> Hi, I'll be playing devil's advocate today. Why would people come to Keyhole to socialise if they can use talk pages and the IRC?
  689. [13:44] <Pea14733> Yeah
  690. [13:44] <ENX> KHWiki's were to be used for discussing article improvement.
  691. [13:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Wait!
  692. [13:44] <FinalRest> And let's say you enforce a "socialising on Keyhole only" policy. Doesn't that go against the friendly atmosphere KHWiki wants to achive?
  693. [13:44] <FinalRest> Sorry, Im done
  694. [13:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> No, we're not closing talk pages at, either.
  695. [13:44] <FifteenthMember> Talk pages stay because we need them for notifications
  696. [13:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But, rather than hold social discussions on talk pages at, we hold them at The Keyhole, and talk pages at stay for content-related stuff.
  697. [13:45] <ENX> The Keyhole's could be where people ask for strategies and such. Becuase I've had to dismay two users recently for asking for strategies on bosses when the talk pages are purely for content, as KSM just said.
  698. [13:45] <VanitastheBloody> At Keyhole, social talkpages.
  699. [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes
  700. [13:45] <VanitastheBloody> KHWIKI serious talkpages.
  701. [13:45] <ENX> Yes
  702. [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We could make other social-related stuff for The Keyhole, too.
  703. [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> That's basically the gist.
  704. [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Now
  705. [13:45] <VanitastheBloody> next.
  706. [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FR, let me answer you
  707. [13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We do want a friendly atmosphere at We're not gonna go strict no-socializing style, either. That's part of the problem with the policies at right now, is that we came off that way.
  708. [13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But we'll encourage users to go to The Keyhole to discuss that kinda stuff.
  709. [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We can do it at if it's something small or whatever.
  710. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> Agreed
  711. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> And what about the mainspace? (the important part)
  712. [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, one other idea I had in addition
  713. [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> About that
  714. [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> actually
  715. [13:47] <VanitastheBloody> The Keyhole is more like something free.
  716. [13:47] <VanitastheBloody> While the KHWIki is more working,
  717. [13:48] <VanitastheBloody> but less socializing.
  718. [13:48] <VanitastheBloody> a reason to have both.
  719. [13:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I was thinking we have simple, but complete articles of most things (characters, keyblades, games, etc)
  720. [13:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And encourage discussion on those pages/articles/subjects
  721. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> Which wiki?
  722. [13:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The Keyhole
  723. [13:48] <ENX> So the Keyhole is like the place we'd all go to hang out or something after a long day's work?
  724. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> "simple, but complete"
  725. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> How will that work?
  726. [13:49] <VanitastheBloody> ^
  727. [13:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Hmmm....that I haven't figured out exactly
  728. [13:49] <Pea14733> Then we should add more content on
  729. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> If we're really wanting Keyhole all to be discussion
  730. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> We should have its mainspace leads towards that
  731. [13:49] <Pea14733> How about technical informations
  732. [13:49] <VanitastheBloody> I refer back to ENX comment.
  733. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> Having it has a curio of information of some sorts
  734. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> For example,
  735. [13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm done with my idea.
  736. [13:50] <FifteenthMember> Appearance, origin, Form: and personality sections are all focused on in the Keyhole
  737. [13:50] <VanitastheBloody> It was a good one, KeybladeSpyMaster
  738. [13:50] <FifteenthMember> Along with quotes: pages and other points of discussion
  739. [13:51] <Pea14733> Quotes I think so, but others, no
  740. [13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Vanitas, thanks
  741. [13:51] <+Xion4ever> Splitting content is a bad idea, guys.
  742. [13:51] <FifteenthMember> As well as strategies, since those are points of discussion
  743. [13:51] <ENX> I really like your idea, KSM. FM, doesn't that reduce the length/quality of the KHWiki articles by a severe amount if you say "Half the page just goes to Keyhole"? I agree with Xion, absolutely NO splitting of content.
  744. [13:51] <+Xion4ever> Making one wiki be social and one be serious business is also a bad idea.
  745. [13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Darn.
  746. [13:52] <+Xion4ever> (Also, didn't FFWiki try the exact same thing once upon a time, Sove?)
  747. [13:52] <Sove> Try what
  748. [13:52] <+Xion4ever> Social stuff off the wiki?
  749. [13:52] <Sove> no
  750. [13:52] <Chainoffire> Xion: how is that different from now?
  751. [13:53] <+Xion4ever> Everyone is proposing all these ideas and making all these comments- which is great!
  752. [13:53] <VanitastheBloody> Why are you silent, XIon?
  753. [13:54] <+Xion4ever> However, no one has answered the main question.
  754. [13:54] <+Xion4ever> Or, if they have, then someone please spell it out clearly because myself, Neumanz, and I'm sure others are still confused.
  755. [13:54] <+Xion4ever> What is the Keyhole supposed to be?
  756. [13:54] <ENX> That's because someone objects whenever we seem to get somewhere. But anyways, shutting up now
  757. [13:55] <+Xion4ever> If it's another KH content site, most people seem to be against that unless we split content between and the Keyhole.
  758. [13:55] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Xion, I was suggesting it be a more socially-inclined, socially interactive site.
  759. [13:55] <Chainoffire> Allow me to answer that question.
  760. [13:55] * VanitastheBloody is now known as RikutheBloody
  761. [13:56] <RikutheBloody> Um, big question.
  762. [13:57] <RikutheBloody> How will the fans take this?
  763. [13:57] <FifteenthMember> what?
  764. [13:57] <Chainoffire> As an admin at the keyhole that has been there 4-ish years, I've seen the wiki go through many changes and different purposes.
  765. [13:57] <Chainoffire> But at this point in time
  766. [13:58] <Chainoffire> I don't know what our current purpose is. That's partially what this meeting is about. We're trying to give The Keyhole purpose
  767. [13:58] * ANX219_ ( has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  768. [13:58] <+Xion4ever> Bingo!
  769. [13:58] <Chainoffire> and we need the help of to do it
  770. [13:58] <Chainoffire> which is why we're here.
  771. [13:58] <+Xion4ever> But we can't do that if everyone is proposing all these ideas without the purpose in mind.
  772. [13:58] * ANX219 (62139b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has left #KHWiki-noticeboard
  773. [13:58] <FifteenthMember> We are agreed at a social inclination, yes?
  774. [13:58] <Chainoffire> which is why we need to create a purpose
  775. [13:58] <Chainoffire> ^
  776. [13:59] <Chainoffire> So, how doest this sound?
  777. [13:59] <FifteenthMember> We are agreed that the purpose is a social, yes?
  778. [13:59] <Chainoffire> yes
  779. [13:59] <+Xion4ever> No
  780. [13:59] * ANX219_ is now known as ANX219
  781. [13:59] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I was trying to define the purpose with my idea. To make the Keyhole's purpose be a socially-inclined site. That's what has allowed Chain and the others do what they've been able to do, no?
  782. [13:59] <ENX> Yes
  783. [13:59] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  784. [13:59] <ENX> Xion, it seems to me like you're the only one objecting to that so far.
  785. [14:00] <FifteenthMember> Do we agree that the purpose of the keyhole is to be a social-inclinated site?
  786. [14:00] <Chainoffire> Xion, what is your idea?
  787. [14:00] <RikutheBloody> Xion disagrees.
  788. [14:00] <ENX> I'm all for it. I'll say it now.
  789. [14:00] <+Xion4ever> Having one site be all social and one site be all serious business is a bad idea.
  790. [14:00] * Draaek (bbe9a985@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  791. [14:00] <Chainoffire> Yes. We know. It's okay that she disagrees
  792. [14:01] <Chainoffire> Xion: How is that different than the current state?
  793. [14:01] <RikutheBloody> Hey Draaek.
  794. [14:01] <Draaek> hello I'm back as a listener only
  795. [14:01] <+Xion4ever> We still have some social things on over at
  796. [14:01] <RikutheBloody> Which we should move.
  797. [14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't mind with disagreement. Having everyone think the same is bad. And it's China....
  798. [14:01] <Chainoffire> Xion: such as?
  799. [14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> What I want to know is why is it bad.
  800. [14:01] <Pea14733> KSM
  801. [14:02] <Pea14733> What do we do about the content in your idea again?
  802. [14:02] <Pea14733> The mainspace
  803. [14:02] <Chainoffire> (let Xion talk)
  804. [14:02] <RikutheBloody> ^
  805. [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes, go Xion
  806. [14:02] <Pea14733> Okay
  807. [14:03] <+Xion4ever> I'm having a hard time answering this myself, guys, for real.
  808. [14:03] <FifteenthMember> Can I interject?
  809. [14:03] <Chainoffire> sure
  810. [14:03] <ENX> Are we all above saying "please"?
  811. [14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, go ahead
  812. [14:04] <FifteenthMember> wow okay
  813. [14:04] <FifteenthMember> can i interject please?
  814. [14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Go ahead
  815. [14:04] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  816. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> We can't merge back together
  817. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> Which means that we have two wikis
  818. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> That will have to be different somehow
  819. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> That means that either wiki will have to make a sacrifice
  820. [14:05] <MateusinhoEX> Guys I'm back. Read all the discussion till now.
  821. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> And there isn't one solution that is perfect and will be happy for everyone
  822. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> I'm ready to make sacrifices since that's the only thing we can do
  823. [14:06] <RikutheBloody> We should make a vote.
  824. [14:06] <ENX> ^
  825. [14:06] <MateusinhoEX> FM, can I put my opinion now?
  826. [14:06] <+Xion4ever> That doesn't solve the purpose, though.
  827. [14:06] <Neumannz> We should have this discussion on a forum, where people cannot talk over each other
  828. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> Yes it does
  829. [14:06] <Chainoffire> Can I ask a question?
  830. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> NZ, and a load of Edit conflicts ^_^
  831. [14:07] <ANX219> i would prefer to hear it all but not everyone can aqquire skype
  832. [14:07] <FifteenthMember> go ahead CoF
  833. [14:07] <Chainoffire> Xion: In what ways is social?
  834. [14:07] <ENX> It defines the purpose if you say it's __________ or __________. Everyone basically seems to be saying "Make it social" pretty clearly. Just define it as something and we're done, in a perfect world.
  835. [14:08] <Chainoffire> the question is directed to Xion.
  836. [14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Chilll............
  837. [14:08] <Neumannz> ^
  838. [14:08] <Chainoffire> I'm sorry. Xion: In what ways is social?
  839. [14:09] <ENX> I was commenting on what Xion was saying, CoF. There is no hostility in me right now. I want to make that clear.
  840. [14:10] <Chainoffire> ENX: I meant no hostility, I just want there to be as few interupptions as possible
  841. [14:10] <+Xion4ever> We have the "social" things, but we don't really use them. Mainly because we've scared people away from doing so.
  842. [14:10] <ENX> Right, I'm just getting the feeling that people think I'm yelling, and I'm not. We're all friends here.
  843. [14:11] <MateusinhoEX> Can I say something?.
  844. [14:11] <Chainoffire> yes MEx?
  845. [14:11] <Chainoffire> **MEX
  846. [14:11] <Byzantinefire> Well aqaunitances more or less.
  847. [14:11] <MateusinhoEX> Well, were here to find a purpose for the Keyhole. If both Wikis would be equal, there would be no purpose to have both. And since we won't have a merge, we have to find a way to make each other different. Kingdom Hearts Wiki is content focused, more detailed and profressional, with information that has always to be confirmed so it can be trusted. Social things do exist, such as Mirage Arena, The Magazine, The Featu
  848. [14:12] <MateusinhoEX> But those things aren't our main focus. Even if we want to be friendly, we end up making user leaves sometimes for late responses to discussions. So, making the Keyhole social focused is an option.
  849. [14:13] <MateusinhoEX> We wouldn't be removing the content from the Wiki, though, It could have links to everything that happens at the Keyhole. NO, it MUST have links.
  850. [14:14] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ^
  851. [14:14] <MateusinhoEX> At the same time, the Keyhole should still have content too, in the same way the wiki will also be social. We would not remove aything from any of them.
  852. [14:14] <MateusinhoEX> The Keyhole would handle discussions that are ot game relevant, such as "How do I beat this?" How do I get there.
  853. [14:15] <Draaek> well I joined wiki after all the problems with both wikis happened and if I may say so I do find keyhole much more social than wiki so I do agree with MEX
  854. [14:15] <MateusinhoEX> Whil in the wiki, people would be able to find taht without asking. Strategies in the game page will be there. But people could ask for others in the Keyhole.
  855. [14:16] <+Xion4ever> Having people look between two different wikis isn't cool.
  856. [14:16] <MateusinhoEX> Now I have dinner, back in a few minutes :v
  857. [14:16] <RikutheBloody> Let's discuss this last.
  858. [14:16] <FifteenthMember> No
  859. [14:16] <RikutheBloody> We won't get far.
  860. [14:16] <FifteenthMember> Let's discuss this on a forum
  861. [14:16] <FifteenthMember> And get on with the rest of the roundtable
  862. [14:16] <RikutheBloody> Forum?
  863. [14:16] <Pea14733> I was trying to point out KSM's idea's cons ...
  864. [14:16] <RikutheBloody> I don't think that'll work.
  865. [14:17] <ANX219> we can't come up with a solution in a mere meeting
  866. [14:17] <ANX219> so we should host onto the forums
  867. [14:17] <Pea14733> Okay
  868. [14:17] <FifteenthMember> yes
  869. [14:17] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I move that the Keyhole purpose discussion be moved to a forum, because we're taking too long on the one point out of the whole of Operation: Keychain, and we're still have more to the Roundtable after Operation:Keychain
  870. [14:17] <RikutheBloody> That will flood the RC
  871. [14:17] <FifteenthMember> so?
  872. [14:17] <Pea14733> So next agenda?
  873. [14:17] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's something huge, we need to do discuss anyways, we might as well flood the RC doing something productive.
  874. [14:18] <Pea14733> Anyway
  875. [14:18] <Pea14733> Next
  876. [14:18] <Pea14733> Affiliation stuff: Check to see our affiliation with Cyberman65 is still good. Possible affiliation with Everglow?
  877. [14:18] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> If we need to, we can touch on the rest of Operation: Keychain at the end, but we should probably go to the rest of the Roundtable
  878. [14:18] <ANX219> i suggested that!! :D
  879. [14:18] <Pea14733> Who will check with this one?
  880. [14:18] <RikutheBloody> Everglow..........
  881. [14:18] <Chainoffire> everglow is kind of affilated with
  882. [14:18] <+Xion4ever> The reason with Cyberman is apparently he is no longer linking back to us?
  883. [14:18] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> No, he's not.
  884. [14:18] <RikutheBloody> Yeah. I thought we had one with him already.
  885. [14:19] <+Xion4ever> We did.
  886. [14:19] <+KeybladeSpyMaste>
  887. [14:19] <+Xion4ever> Someone needs to check with him to see if he is still interested in upholding the affiliation. If he is, then we need to [nicely] remind him to link back to us.
  888. [14:19] <+Xion4ever> If he doesn't want to, that's okay.
  889. [14:20] <+Xion4ever> Though we should ask him why he no longer wants to be affiliated with us, just so we have some feedback as to "what went wrong."
  890. [14:20] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyone wants to go and ask?
  891. [14:20] <RikutheBloody> I don't have youtube.
  892. [14:20] <+Xion4ever> Who is in charge of the KHWiki Youtube account?
  893. [14:20] <RikutheBloody> Accoutn.
  894. [14:20] <RikutheBloody> Nezzy.
  895. [14:21] <Draaek> I have my youtube but idk about any affiliation or anything
  896. [14:21] <+Xion4ever> Someone in charge of managing that account should do it.
  897. [14:21] <+Xion4ever> If Neumanz is the one in charge of that I'll talk that part over with him on his talkpage- he is leaving here soon.
  898. [14:21] <RikutheBloody> Nezzy is.
  899. [14:22] <+Xion4ever> Cool. So I'll ping him on his talkpage once the Roundtable is over.
  900. [14:22] <+Xion4ever> Everyone cool so far?
  901. [14:22] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
  902. [14:22] <Pea14733> Yeah
  903. [14:22] <+Xion4ever> Now this part with Everglow...
  904. [14:22] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah...
  905. [14:22] <+Xion4ever> This was a random idea I got from ANX.
  906. [14:23] <+Xion4ever> The guy posts quality stuff, in short.
  907. [14:23] <+Xion4ever> It would look good on us if we could be an affiliate.
  908. [14:23] <RikutheBloody> I thought we were associated with him already.
  909. [14:23] <+Xion4ever> No
  910. [14:23] <FifteenthMember> I would like to affiliate with him
  911. [14:23] <FifteenthMember> yes
  912. [14:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Me, too.
  913. [14:23] <RikutheBloody> Someoone ask him.
  914. [14:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The issue is...
  915. [14:23] <RikutheBloody> ?
  916. [14:23] <Pea14733> I think if Cyberman still wants to affiliate with us, we shouldn't get another one
  917. [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> He's got a partnership with We don't know if that limits his ability to affiliate.
  918. [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And what Pea has insinuated: if we have one YouTube affiliate, can we have two?
  919. [14:24] <RikutheBloody> I doubt its any limit.
  920. [14:24] <FifteenthMember> why not have both?
  921. [14:24] <RikutheBloody> We can find loopholes.
  922. [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And not hurt either one?
  923. [14:24] <+Xion4ever> It could be viewed as disrespectful or insulting, FM.
  924. [14:24] <Pea14733> ^
  925. [14:25] <+Xion4ever> So, an idea:
  926. [14:25] <FifteenthMember> Alright, I'll take that
  927. [14:25] <Draaek> can anyone tell me who or what this everglow is?
  928. [14:25] <FifteenthMember> a kh youtuber
  929. [14:25] <ANX219> they upload tracks and cutscenes from the games
  930. [14:25] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Cept we have multiple YouTube affiliates, too, including Cyberman
  931. [14:26] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Xion, your idea
  932. [14:26] <+Xion4ever> Neumanz/myself/someone will check out if Cyberman is still interested in being our affiliate. If he is, awesome. If he isn't, we should definitely be looking for another "big name KH Youtuber."
  933. [14:26] <+Xion4ever> Everglow, being affiliated with would probably put a strain on us ever being, why don't we affiliate with
  934. [14:26] <+Xion4ever> The idea had been discussed in the past, but nothing ever came from it.
  935. [14:27] <RikutheBloody> We already have KHinsider, so why not?
  936. [14:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We don't
  937. [14:27] <+Xion4ever> ^
  938. [14:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste>
  939. [14:27] <RikutheBloody> I know less than I thought. -_-
  940. [14:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's cool
  941. [14:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Still, why no?
  942. [14:28] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> *not?
  943. [14:28] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We cool with that, then?
  944. [14:28] <+Xion4ever> We tried joining with them on news, but something on our end wasn't ready.
  945. [14:29] <FifteenthMember> It was that
  946. [14:29] <FifteenthMember> wait
  947. [14:29] <FifteenthMember> Was it kh13 who we wanted as a newsteam?
  948. [14:30] <Chainoffire> no, i think that was khinsider
  949. [14:30] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ^
  950. [14:30] <+Xion4ever> It was KHInsider.
  951. [14:30] <+Xion4ever> I don't think we've ever actually talked to kh13.
  952. [14:30] <+Xion4ever> Truth be told, if KHInsider hasn't gotten back to us, they've probably forgotten about us.
  953. [14:31] <Chainoffire> Keyhole is affiliated with KH13, so maybe we could get them to help us out a bit
  954. [14:31] <FifteenthMember> we can't affiliate with both anyway
  955. [14:31] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think those discussions just died. It may have been our fault.
  956. [14:31] <FifteenthMember> Because it would be the same as the youtube
  957. [14:31] <FifteenthMember> And then as Xion said
  958. [14:31] <FifteenthMember> It's considered offensive (which personally I don't actually see as a major issue)
  959. [14:32] <+Xion4ever> So...should we check back in with KHInsider and remind them of us?
  960. [14:33] <+Xion4ever> Or would you guys rather leave them and go ask kh13?
  961. [14:33] <FifteenthMember> I'd keep with khi
  962. [14:33] <FifteenthMember> since we've already agreed something with them
  963. [14:33] <FifteenthMember> It was just forgotten
  964. [14:33] <Draaek> if there was some sort of communication with them before I say we should go back to them and see what they thing
  965. [14:33] <Draaek> think*
  966. [14:33] <+Xion4ever> Okay, cool.
  967. [14:34] <+Xion4ever> Who was in charge of talking with them way back when?
  968. [14:34] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Erry
  969. [14:34] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> He's the one who had contacts among them at the time.
  970. [14:34] <+Xion4ever> I see Erry on here, but not so much on the Wiki. You think he would still be open for it?
  971. [14:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Perhaps
  972. [14:35] <RikutheBloody> Moving on?
  973. [14:35] <+Xion4ever> Okay. So someone needs to talk to Erry. I don't mind to, or if someone else wants to?
  974. [14:36] <RikutheBloody> i want too.
  975. [14:36] <Neumannz> I gotta go, bye all
  976. [14:36] * Neumannz ( Quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( ))
  977. [14:36] <RikutheBloody> I'll talk to him.
  978. [14:36] <RikutheBloody> Luxerion, right?
  979. [14:36] <+Xion4ever> Yeah.
  980. [14:36] <RikutheBloody> Okay.
  981. [14:37] <+Xion4ever> That would be great. Thanks. ^_^
  982. [14:37] <+Xion4ever> Also, Neumannz just confirmed with me that he'll talk to Cyberman.
  983. [14:37] <FifteenthMember> Sweet
  984. [14:37] <Pea14733> Okay
  985. [14:37] <+Xion4ever> Once he does that, we'll move on from there for YouTube affiliations.
  986. [14:37] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  987. [14:37] <Pea14733> So next agenda
  988. [14:38] <RikutheBloody> Lp series
  989. [14:38] <Pea14733> Your LP questions FM
  990. [14:38] <RikutheBloody> QUestions.
  991. [14:38] <FifteenthMember> Oh right
  992. [14:38] <FifteenthMember>
  993. [14:38] <FifteenthMember> Does this look okay
  994. [14:38] <FifteenthMember> firstly>
  995. [14:39] <Pea14733> It looks okay
  996. [14:39] <RikutheBloody> I guess. It won't when more series come.
  997. [14:39] * RikutheBloody is now known as VanitastheBloody
  998. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> that's when the series would be archived
  999. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> And the new ongoing series comes here
  1000. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> WELL
  1001. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> THAT'S ALL
  1002. [14:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think that's fine.
  1003. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> It has a structured timetable yes?
  1004. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> It comes out every week
  1005. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> I notice
  1006. [14:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I believe they're doing one a week
  1007. [14:40] <Pea14733> ...That's all?
  1008. [14:41] <FifteenthMember> lolyeah
  1009. [14:41] <+Xion4ever> So...we agree the page looks fine. Once the series is done, it is archived and makes way for the next series.
  1010. [14:41] <VanitastheBloody> next
  1011. [14:41] <FifteenthMember> next!
  1012. [14:41] <Pea14733> Reminder of signature policy, especially parts on image size limitations.
  1013. [14:41] <+Xion4ever> Oh!
  1014. [14:41] <VanitastheBloody> sig policy
  1015. [14:41] <+Xion4ever> Neumannz had this to say on signatures:
  1016. [14:41] <Pea14733> What happened?
  1017. [14:41] <+Xion4ever> [16:18] <Neumannz> Nicknames need to clearly show who is posting, one way or another, and any images need to be small enough not to screw with line spacing
  1018. [14:42] <Pea14733> Okay
  1019. [14:42] <+Xion4ever> [16:18] <Neumannz> 17px, I think
  1020. [14:42] <+Xion4ever> That's all he wrote.
  1021. [14:42] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, alright
  1022. [14:42] <FifteenthMember> I agree
  1023. [14:42] <+Xion4ever> I think the main grievance with the first part of his first message ["clearly show who is posting"] is that people aren't using their usernames in their signatures, but rather, other names.
  1024. [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree
  1025. [14:43] <+Xion4ever> Like if I used "lolcannon" instead of "Xion4ever."
  1026. [14:43] <Pea14733> XD
  1027. [14:43] <+Xion4ever> Sure, lolcannon links to my name, but it isn't clearly stated.
  1028. [14:43] <Pea14733> I need to change mine then
  1029. [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It should at least have your name in front of whatever comment.
  1030. [14:43] <FifteenthMember> I'd say, unless it's an established alias you're using
  1031. [14:43] <VanitastheBloody> Can I use RikutheBloody instead of Master Riku the Bloody?
  1032. [14:44] <FifteenthMember> E.G. LightRoxas has Radiant Chaos
  1033. [14:44] <FifteenthMember> but that's his alternative name and eveyrone knows him by it
  1034. [14:44] <FifteenthMember> rtb, of course
  1035. [14:44] <FifteenthMember> As long as it's recognisable
  1036. [14:44] <+Xion4ever> Truth be told, since Neumannz isn't here and I'm going off of speculation as to what he said, I think this is better suited for a forum at TWTNW.
  1037. [14:44] <Draaek> so I guess if we use a title we will have to change it?
  1038. [14:44] <+Xion4ever> Mainly so we have it recorded what was actually said instead having a big game of "he said-she said."
  1039. [14:45] <FifteenthMember> okay
  1040. [14:45] <FifteenthMember> agreed
  1041. [14:45] <+Xion4ever> Now the image size...
  1042. [14:45] <ANX219> always been 17 px
  1043. [14:45] <FifteenthMember> 17px
  1044. [14:45] <FifteenthMember> alright
  1045. [14:46] <FifteenthMember> I'll check mine
  1046. [14:46] <+Xion4ever> Need I say more?
  1047. [14:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Have to check mine, too.
  1048. [14:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Nope, I think we're good.
  1049. [14:46] <+Xion4ever> I think it's just a reminder of our old policy.
  1050. [14:46] <+Xion4ever> Cool.
  1051. [14:46] <VanitastheBloody> But
  1052. [14:46] <VanitastheBloody> What if someone gets the image from another website.
  1053. [14:46] * VanitastheBloody points at ANX
  1054. [14:46] <FifteenthMember> it's their responsibility to check them
  1055. [14:46] <Pea14733> ^
  1056. [14:46] <FifteenthMember> mine is external too
  1057. [14:46] <+Xion4ever> And resize as necessary.
  1058. [14:47] <FifteenthMember> I will check it and resize if it's over 17
  1059. [14:47] <Draaek> glad mine comes from the wiki lol
  1060. [14:47] <FifteenthMember> okay
  1061. [14:47] <FifteenthMember> Next?
  1062. [14:47] <Pea14733> Possible attempt at actually covering KHc on the wiki. Is it viable?
  1063. [14:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Covering KHc, if possible
  1064. [14:47] * ANX219 ( Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  1065. [14:47] <VanitastheBloody> KH chi
  1066. [14:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Is this coded or chi?
  1067. [14:47] <+Xion4ever> Neummanz comment:
  1068. [14:47] <Pea14733> coded
  1069. [14:47] <VanitastheBloody> Oh.
  1070. [14:47] <+Xion4ever> [16:20] <Neumannz> Kh coded coverage would be tricky, since there is only one YouTube playthrough and at least one helpful game faq page, but if anyone wants to help me on that, in any way, I would greatly appreciate
  1071. [14:48] <Pea14733> We'll say KHX if it's chi
  1072. [14:48] <+Xion4ever> [16:21] <Neumannz> I don't mind uploading images for the wiki itself on the wiki
  1073. [14:48] <+Xion4ever> [16:21] <Neumannz> Even if they are not official
  1074. [14:48] <VanitastheBloody> That'll be hard.
  1075. [14:48] <Pea14733> Who has that damn phone?
  1076. [14:48] <FifteenthMember> it involves translating japanese I take
  1077. [14:48] <Pea14733> >.>
  1078. [14:48] <Pea14733> Translating is okay
  1079. [14:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes
  1080. [14:48] <FifteenthMember> If you want stats
  1081. [14:48] <FifteenthMember> etc.
  1082. [14:48] <+Xion4ever> No Google Translate.
  1083. [14:48] <+Xion4ever> #badidea
  1084. [14:48] <FifteenthMember> ofc
  1085. [14:49] <Pea14733> We didn't even finish Re:coded for stats
  1086. [14:49] <Pea14733> Due to sortage of Ultimania scans
  1087. [14:49] <+Xion4ever> Ouch.
  1088. [14:49] <FifteenthMember> Erry is at qatar again now
  1089. [14:49] <Pea14733> I am always up for it
  1090. [14:49] <FifteenthMember> we can ask him
  1091. [14:49] <FifteenthMember> I think
  1092. [14:49] <+Xion4ever> So, we need some people to help out with the Re:coded and especially coded articles.
  1093. [14:49] <+Xion4ever> coded is what Neumannz is focusing on in this point just because not a lot of people have access to it.
  1094. [14:49] <VanitastheBloody> I canhelp with recoded
  1095. [14:50] <Pea14733> I don't know about coded, but anyone with Re:coded Ultimania would be really of help
  1096. [14:50] <FifteenthMember> I have done re:coded
  1097. [14:50] <FifteenthMember> already
  1098. [14:50] <FifteenthMember> it's just stats we need for recoded
  1099. [14:50] <FifteenthMember> Alright
  1100. [14:50] <FifteenthMember> So
  1101. [14:50] <FifteenthMember> I think that's all
  1102. [14:50] <Pea14733> No
  1103. [14:50] <+Xion4ever> One moment
  1104. [14:50] <VanitastheBloody> next
  1105. [14:50] <FifteenthMember> Anything else?
  1106. [14:50] <FifteenthMember> okay
  1107. [14:51] <Pea14733> So are we doing the normal coded?
  1108. [14:51] <+Xion4ever> If people don't mind helping out, yeah.
  1109. [14:51] <Pea14733> I can help translating
  1110. [14:51] <Pea14733> Just give me the clear screenshots
  1111. [14:51] <+Xion4ever> I'll help out with whatever info I gather from the playthrough and that "one helpful game faq page."
  1112. [14:51] <FifteenthMember> I can add the translated info
  1113. [14:52] <FifteenthMember> to the pages themselves
  1114. [14:52] <Pea14733> Okay it's decided then
  1115. [14:52] <Draaek> anyone know if coded can be found as a rom?
  1116. [14:52] <VanitastheBloody> Uploading unofficial images on the Wiki for magazine/LP/similar pages and KHWiki Photobucket account. TheFifteenthMember
  1117. [14:52] <FifteenthMember> wait riku
  1118. [14:52] <Pea14733> You can't find it anywhere
  1119. [14:52] <+Xion4ever> UltimaSpark has the Ultimania, I think.
  1120. [14:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Wasn't coded originally a part of Kingdom Hearts Mobile? I think that's how it's described on the wiki, as being released as episodes as a part of Mobile
  1121. [14:53] <FifteenthMember> there isn't a coded ultimania, is there?
  1122. [14:53] <FifteenthMember> nope
  1123. [14:53] <Pea14733> Nope
  1124. [14:53] <+Xion4ever> Er, *Recoded
  1125. [14:53] <FifteenthMember> Kingdom Hearts Mobile is completely separate
  1126. [14:53] <+Xion4ever> @KSM: If we say that, we should probably fix that.
  1127. [14:53] <FifteenthMember> It's just that playing episodes of khc
  1128. [14:53] <FifteenthMember> unlocks stuff in mobile
  1129. [14:54] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh.
  1130. [14:54] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I thought the original coded was released like that, and then was remade for Nintendo DS as Re:coded.
  1131. [14:55] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  1132. [14:55] <FifteenthMember> That's true
  1133. [14:55] <+Xion4ever> Since we all-a good chunk of us- are going to help out, we're good to confirm Neumannz's idea.
  1134. [14:55] <FifteenthMember> yup
  1135. [14:55] <+Xion4ever> We can't let it slip though, guys. We have to keep our word on this.
  1136. [14:55] <Pea14733> Right
  1137. [14:55] <VanitastheBloody> Keep our word?
  1138. [14:55] <FifteenthMember> sure sure
  1139. [14:55] <FifteenthMember> I headed project re:coded ages ago
  1140. [14:55] <FifteenthMember> So i'm happy to do coded
  1141. [14:55] <Pea14733> Most our projects are left dead
  1142. [14:55] <VanitastheBloody> Who do you think we ard :p
  1143. [14:55] <Pea14733> XD
  1144. [14:55] <VanitastheBloody> *are
  1145. [14:55] <FifteenthMember> I FINISHED project recoded :D
  1146. [14:55] <+Xion4ever> Wonderful, guys. ^_^
  1147. [14:56] <FifteenthMember> that was like the only main thing I did
  1148. [14:56] <Pea14733> So we all good on this?
  1149. [14:56] <+Xion4ever> Yeah man
  1150. [14:56] <FifteenthMember> HEY PEA
  1151. [14:56] <FifteenthMember> what happened with the recoded walkthrough
  1152. [14:56] <Pea14733> XD
  1153. [14:56] <FifteenthMember> You haven't done the templates that you promised ;_;
  1154. [14:56] <Pea14733> Sorry I had stuffs >.>
  1155. [14:56] <FifteenthMember> lol it's okay
  1156. [14:56] <FifteenthMember> yeah, move on
  1157. [14:56] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Next, guys
  1158. [14:57] <Pea14733> Uploading unofficial images on the Wiki for magazine/LP/similar pages and KHWiki Photobucket account
  1159. [14:57] <Pea14733> Errrr no
  1160. [14:57] <+Xion4ever> That's right, Pea.
  1161. [14:57] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  1162. [14:57] <FifteenthMember> Basically, KSM and I were talking about the title images
  1163. [14:58] <FifteenthMember> for the magazine
  1164. [14:58] <FifteenthMember> and wikia changes their image URLs frequently
  1165. [14:58] <FifteenthMember> That they're not really reliable to use as external links
  1166. [14:58] <FifteenthMember> So, we should upload them to the wiki pb account instead
  1167. [14:58] <+Xion4ever> Are those images currently being used off Wiki?
  1168. [14:58] <FifteenthMember> That's my plan
  1169. [14:58] <Pea14733> Then host it on external sites~
  1170. [14:58] * ANX219 ( has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  1171. [14:58] <+Xion4ever> Er, hosted off Wiki?
  1172. [14:58] <FifteenthMember> yes
  1173. [14:58] <FifteenthMember> at the moment, our magazine links to the Keyhole's images
  1174. [14:59] <+Xion4ever> Are problems occuring because they are hosted off Wiki?
  1175. [14:59] <+Xion4ever> I.e, do certain templates not work, etc.
  1176. [15:00] <FifteenthMember> the images shrink
  1177. [15:01] <FifteenthMember> That's because the keyhole keeps changing url destination
  1178. [15:01] <FifteenthMember> We just need a stable link
  1179. [15:01] <FifteenthMember> So photobucket
  1180. [15:01] <FifteenthMember> boom
  1181. [15:01] <+Xion4ever> Cool. Why aren't we using Photobucket?
  1182. [15:02] <ANX219> Sove
  1183. [15:02] <ANX219> explain
  1184. [15:02] <FifteenthMember> lool
  1185. [15:02] <Pea14733> PB is slow
  1186. [15:03] <FifteenthMember> We can get an imgur account
  1187. [15:03] <FifteenthMember> if we want
  1188. [15:03] <Pea14733> Use Imgur onstead
  1189. [15:03] <FifteenthMember> I just said photobucket because we already have one
  1190. [15:03] <Pea14733> The End
  1191. [15:03] <Sove> PB is fine if you embed images from there, but it has bandwidth limits
  1192. [15:03] <+Xion4ever> So, in general, offline options suck.
  1193. [15:03] <Sove> Keyhole had an issue with the limit once
  1194. [15:04] <+Xion4ever> I don't see a problem with uploading them onto the Wiki- so long as they serve a purpose.
  1195. [15:04] <Sove> Basically, all off-site images on Keyhole were disabled and repalced with "bandwidth exceeded" message
  1196. [15:04] <+Xion4ever> ^ Yikes
  1197. [15:04] <Pea14733> XD
  1198. [15:04] <Sove> And when you have lots and lots of images in PB, that is guaranteed to happen on a busier site
  1199. [15:04] <FifteenthMember> Xion
  1200. [15:05] <FifteenthMember> we could
  1201. [15:05] <Sove> Unless you pay PB for extra bandwidth
  1202. [15:05] <FifteenthMember> But we don't really need to cos we don't need them for linking or anything
  1203. [15:05] <FifteenthMember> so external works fine
  1204. [15:07] * Chainoffire (4b806994@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  1205. [15:07] <FifteenthMember> so err
  1206. [15:07] <FifteenthMember> photobucket
  1207. [15:07] <FifteenthMember> yes?
  1208. [15:07] <FifteenthMember> we all died
  1209. [15:07] <Pea14733> yeah
  1210. [15:07] <Pea14733> Whatever it works without problems
  1211. [15:07] <MateusinhoEX> Back guys, read evrything till here already.
  1212. [15:08] <VanitastheBloody> Good.
  1213. [15:08] <VanitastheBloody> WB
  1214. [15:08] <Pea14733> Next?
  1215. [15:08] <FinalRest> As the person who uploads all the images for the mag, how do I get access to the photobucket?
  1216. [15:08] <FinalRest> Am I allowed, if Im not KHWiki staff?
  1217. [15:09] <Sove> I'd just ditch the PB already
  1218. [15:09] <Sove> When you external link an image from PB, it consumes PB's bandwidth and they have a set limit to how much an account can use
  1219. [15:09] <Sove> When you exceed that limit, the images are all taken down and repalced with a bandwidth warning
  1220. [15:10] <ENX> I apologize if it's already been said, but what about using the Wiki's DeviantArt? We could have a separate folder there for the images
  1221. [15:10] <Sove> A sI said, this happened to Keyhole already
  1222. [15:10] <Pea14733> Then we'll create Imgur instead?
  1223. [15:10] <Sove> I remember dA has a policy daying that dA is not an image storage, itäs for art purposes
  1224. [15:10] <FifteenthMember> if we make an imgur
  1225. [15:10] <FifteenthMember> we need a few users with the password
  1226. [15:10] <ANX219> da sells people's art to things without crediting
  1227. [15:10] <ANX219> it's sbs
  1228. [15:10] <FifteenthMember> and they need to agree on it
  1229. [15:11] <MateusinhoEX> So I think we should stick with Imgur
  1230. [15:11] <FifteenthMember> aka staff
  1231. [15:11] <ANX219> ah but fm
  1232. [15:11] <ANX219> prIMARILY
  1233. [15:11] <ANX219> staff
  1234. [15:11] <MateusinhoEX> they should be people who work on the magazine a lot
  1235. [15:11] <FifteenthMember> yeah yeah
  1236. [15:11] <FifteenthMember> khwiki and keyhole ofc
  1237. [15:11] <+Xion4ever> All this would be fixed if we let the images be on the wiki.
  1238. [15:11] <FifteenthMember> so Chainoffire
  1239. [15:11] <FifteenthMember> and so
  1240. [15:11] <+Xion4ever> I say go for it.
  1241. [15:11] <MateusinhoEX> They too should have acces, even if not from staff, such as FinalRest
  1242. [15:11] <FifteenthMember> I'm not against uploading to the wiki
  1243. [15:11] <+Xion4ever> So long as the images have a purpose and aren't just there to look at, we go for it.
  1244. [15:11] <FifteenthMember> ither
  1245. [15:12] <FifteenthMember> *either
  1246. [15:12] <FifteenthMember> Actually
  1247. [15:12] <FifteenthMember> I think it'd be for the best
  1248. [15:12] <MateusinhoEX> *access
  1249. [15:12] <Pea14733> So on the wiki, yes?
  1250. [15:12] <+Xion4ever> I implore you guys though, to only upload what is necessary.
  1251. [15:12] <FifteenthMember> to try to break free of the "stern, serious, no fun" image we seem to have
  1252. [15:12] <FifteenthMember> yea
  1253. [15:12] <FifteenthMember> title images
  1254. [15:13] <Pea14733> Okay, we're done
  1255. [15:13] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  1256. [15:13] <FifteenthMember> upload on-wiki
  1257. [15:13] <FifteenthMember> Next?
  1258. [15:13] <Pea14733> Make a clear rule about the names of pages. See discussions like this one and this one
  1259. [15:13] <MateusinhoEX> ALso not against on wiki, but just necessary ones
  1260. [15:13] <+Xion4ever> Skipped one, Pea.
  1261. [15:13] <MateusinhoEX> And should be well categorized
  1262. [15:13] <+Xion4ever> GrandmasterArcturus would like to get more people to do the commentary for the LP besides me and ChainofFire.
  1263. [15:13] <Pea14733> Oh, right sorry
  1264. [15:14] <Pea14733> GOt a little blurry
  1265. [15:14] <Pea14733> Commentary
  1266. [15:14] <+Xion4ever> This is simple, does anyone have the equipment/time to help with the commentary on the LP?
  1267. [15:14] <Pea14733> Is it talking or I can just type?
  1268. [15:14] <FifteenthMember> I can't
  1269. [15:14] <FifteenthMember> pea, talking
  1270. [15:14] <Pea14733> No, then
  1271. [15:15] <+Xion4ever> Neither can I.
  1272. [15:15] <FifteenthMember> we could ask CaF, RoadtoDawn and UC and Erry
  1273. [15:15] <FifteenthMember> aka
  1274. [15:15] <FifteenthMember> Everyone who signed up/done a podcast before
  1275. [15:15] <VanitastheBloody> I don't wanna voice anything.
  1276. [15:15] <+Xion4ever> Sounds like we should be messaging those people on their talkpages/on here. Any volunteers?
  1277. [15:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Can't really, either
  1278. [15:16] <+Xion4ever> @ Vanitas: You're already talking to Erry about our affiliation with KHInsider, would you mind adding this to it?
  1279. [15:16] <VanitastheBloody> Can I help without voiceing it.
  1280. [15:16] <+Xion4ever> I don't think so.
  1281. [15:16] * TheSilentHero ( has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  1282. [15:17] <+Xion4ever> @ SilentHero: Would you be interested in doing some commentary on the KH Lets Play?
  1283. [15:17] <VanitastheBloody> Hey Hero.
  1284. [15:17] <FifteenthMember> You can ask Erry if you want to help
  1285. [15:17] <Draaek> I could probably have the equipment for doing it but idk if my agenda would allow me plus I've never voiced anything in public
  1286. [15:17] <Pea14733> Actually Erry is the one who can do commentarhy
  1287. [15:17] <+Xion4ever> I'll ask Erry.
  1288. [15:17] <TheSilentHero> @Xion no
  1289. [15:18] <+Xion4ever> Okie dokie then.
  1290. [15:18] <FifteenthMember> I can ask around I guess
  1291. [15:18] <TheSilentHero> Is the RT still on?
  1292. [15:18] <Pea14733> Yes
  1293. [15:18] <+Xion4ever> Yup.
  1294. [15:18] <+Xion4ever> FM and I will ask around. We good on this point?
  1295. [15:18] <Pea14733> Yes
  1296. [15:19] <FifteenthMember> yup
  1297. [15:19] <VanitastheBloody> Yep
  1298. [15:19] <Draaek> aye
  1299. [15:19] <Pea14733> Next
  1300. [15:19] <ANX219> yep
  1301. [15:19] <ANX219> aye
  1302. [15:19] <Pea14733> [05:13:43] <Pea14733> Make a clear rule about the names of pages. See discussions like this one and this one
  1303. [15:19] <VanitastheBloody> Silent Hero.
  1304. [15:19] <+Xion4ever> - Link 1
  1305. [15:19] <+Xion4ever> - Link 2
  1306. [15:19] <VanitastheBloody>
  1307. [15:19] <ENX> I have an opinion regarding this matter I would like to state.
  1308. [15:20] <ANX219> as we begin the next one?
  1309. [15:20] <ENX> Regarding the page naming rule
  1310. [15:20] <FifteenthMember> go ahead
  1311. [15:20] <ANX219> just checking :^)
  1312. [15:20] <ENX> Thank you.
  1313. [15:20] <Pea14733> We've been using "stable" rule for ages
  1314. [15:20] <ENX> (I'll say done when I'm all set making my statements)
  1315. [15:20] <FifteenthMember> okay
  1316. [15:21] <FifteenthMember> shoot
  1317. [15:21] <ENX> So it is my opinion that we continue using the "stable" rule, according to the Journals in the games.
  1318. [15:21] <VanitastheBloody> You haven't did that in a while ANX219.
  1319. [15:21] <VanitastheBloody> You changed.
  1320. [15:21] <ENX> So even if Smee is Mr. Smee in one game, he's just Smee because he's called so in all the others
  1321. [15:22] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  1322. [15:22] <ENX> In cases like Mickey vs. The King, we use the name that is more recognizable in terms of the character
  1323. [15:22] <FifteenthMember> Well
  1324. [15:22] <FifteenthMember> I'd say, in cases that applies, we use the character's full name
  1325. [15:22] <FifteenthMember> e.g. Will/William Turner
  1326. [15:22] <FifteenthMember> Mickey Mouse
  1327. [15:22] <FifteenthMember> Fa Mulan
  1328. [15:22] <FifteenthMember> etc.
  1329. [15:22] <ENX> But he's not called William Turner in Kingdom Hearts, is my point.
  1330. [15:22] <FifteenthMember> oh
  1331. [15:23] <FifteenthMember> nvr mind then
  1332. [15:23] <MateusinhoEX> ANd Will would be a redirect, then?
  1333. [15:23] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  1334. [15:23] <VanitastheBloody> Can we discuss Donald vs Donald Duck for images.
  1335. [15:23] <ENX> Otherwise we're becoming too much of a Disney/FF Wiki
  1336. [15:23] <FifteenthMember> redirects will ofv be there
  1337. [15:23] <FifteenthMember> I was misinformed
  1338. [15:23] <FifteenthMember> I thought william turner was kh canon
  1339. [15:23] <FifteenthMember> i apologise
  1340. [15:23] <ENX> It's why we use Leon instead of Squall Leonhart, for example
  1341. [15:23] <+Xion4ever> ENX, are you saying we go by what the majority of the games call a character over our current rule of first game sets the name?
  1342. [15:23] <TheSilentHero> What about Beat's full name?
  1343. [15:23] <FifteenthMember> I'd agree with ENX on that
  1344. [15:24] <FifteenthMember> Joshua mentioned it
  1345. [15:24] <VanitastheBloody> We should just say Beat.
  1346. [15:24] <FifteenthMember> So I'd say yes
  1347. [15:24] <ENX> I'm basically saying, Xion4ever, that just in general we do what the game says
  1348. [15:24] <FifteenthMember> Beat is a nickname
  1349. [15:24] <MateusinhoEX> Exactly what ENX said.
  1350. [15:24] <+Xion4ever> The problem is that the games aren't consistent.
  1351. [15:24] <ENX> And yes, Beat would be Beat, not his full name
  1352. [15:24] <FifteenthMember> So it is just an alias
  1353. [15:24] <MateusinhoEX> Beat is called like that by Joshua
  1354. [15:24] <Pea14733> What does the journal says
  1355. [15:24] <+Xion4ever> Unless we go by just the most recent game.
  1356. [15:24] <+Xion4ever> Take Smee for example.
  1357. [15:24] <MateusinhoEX> Plus, I think that's his name in the Reports.
  1358. [15:24] <FifteenthMember> Xion, it's not consistent so we go by majority
  1359. [15:24] <TheSilentHero> For Mickey, it's just adding a last name, but Beat's name changes completely
  1360. [15:24] <ENX> Just because it's used once in a cutscene, the game consistently calls him Beat.
  1361. [15:25] <FifteenthMember> The journal uses full name, no?
  1362. [15:25] <ENX> This is why I mentioned character recognizability
  1363. [15:25] <VanitastheBloody> Um, I don't know.
  1364. [15:25] <FifteenthMember> (someone check; I may be wrong)
  1365. [15:25] <VanitastheBloody> It use the king
  1366. [15:25] <ENX> And no, I believe it uses Beat
  1367. [15:25] <FifteenthMember> nvr mind then
  1368. [15:25] <VanitastheBloody> In RE; com
  1369. [15:25] <TheSilentHero> I'll check
  1370. [15:25] <MateusinhoEX> Yeah, ENX is right.
  1371. [15:25] <MateusinhoEX> And the full name then, would be a redirect
  1372. [15:26] <MateusinhoEX> I would say the same :v
  1373. [15:26] <ENX> Since KH calls him Beat most of the time, I, not knowing of TWEWY apart from KH, would search "Beat" to know more about him
  1374. [15:26] <ENX> As an example of what I mean
  1375. [15:26] <ENX> What about the Jacks?
  1376. [15:26] <VanitastheBloody> I know TWEWY some.
  1377. [15:26] <VanitastheBloody> I see Beat alot.
  1378. [15:26] <ENX> Skellington and Sparrow
  1379. [15:26] <ENX> Would we use Jack (Port Royal) and Jack (Halloween Town)?
  1380. [15:27] <TheSilentHero> Journal says Beat
  1381. [15:27] <FifteenthMember> Jack Sparrow
  1382. [15:27] <FifteenthMember> Jack Skellington
  1383. [15:27] <FifteenthMember> Makes much more sense
  1384. [15:27] <ENX> Then Beat it should be, because he's more consistently called Beat in KH than the one time he's called Daisukenojo Bito
  1385. [15:27] <TheSilentHero> I believe they are called Skellington and Sparrow in the journal
  1386. [15:27] <ENX> He's even called Beat in the KH advertisements.
  1387. [15:27] <ENX> Then that's fine. Just threw it out there.
  1388. [15:28] <+Xion4ever> I think we're back to original rule...
  1389. [15:28] <MateusinhoEX> Shouldn't we just stick with the name the JOurnal uses?
  1390. [15:28] <ENX> What I'd like to see is "The" being used in article titles if the name in the game uses "The"
  1391. [15:28] <ENX> And the names in the journal
  1392. [15:28] <FifteenthMember> such as?
  1393. [15:28] <FifteenthMember> We have "The Peddlar"
  1394. [15:28] <ENX> So Kevin Flynn should be Flynn
  1395. [15:28] <FifteenthMember> I'd say
  1396. [15:28] <FifteenthMember> We take all the names used in the journals
  1397. [15:28] <TheSilentHero> What about ability names?
  1398. [15:28] <FifteenthMember> And use the most occuring
  1399. [15:29] <FifteenthMember> abilities would be the same
  1400. [15:29] <FifteenthMember> the one used the most often
  1401. [15:29] <ENX> ^ Exactly my opinion on both points
  1402. [15:29] <FifteenthMember> They all have one name so it's simpler
  1403. [15:29] <ENX> I believe the "First game gets first dibs" rule applied only to the Heartless whose names were changed in Days
  1404. [15:29] <+Xion4ever> I think this needs a forum, ENX.
  1405. [15:29] <FifteenthMember> if there's a case where
  1406. [15:30] <MateusinhoEX> ^basically adapt the name according to the journal. For example, names with "The" in the Journal, should be without it in the article
  1407. [15:30] <ENX> Xion4ever, I believe basically everything we discussed today does :P
  1408. [15:30] <MateusinhoEX> JOurnal must be used most for names with conflicts, such as the case of Beat
  1409. [15:30] <FifteenthMember> there is a subject with two names
  1410. [15:30] <FifteenthMember> and both are used the same amount of times
  1411. [15:30] <FifteenthMember> We give preferences to the ones used in the older entries, I guess
  1412. [15:30] <FifteenthMember> that handles heartless that appear only in kh/days with different names
  1413. [15:30] <MateusinhoEX> take the most recent, I guess?
  1414. [15:31] <ENX> MateusinhoEX, I would use The in the article title because "Mayor" and "Peddlar" are just generic terms and are not names in and of themselves.
  1415. [15:31] <FifteenthMember> recent vs old
  1416. [15:31] <TheSilentHero> In a recent discussion someone said we use the most recent licalization
  1417. [15:31] <FifteenthMember> I'd do old tbh
  1418. [15:31] <FifteenthMember> it doesn't really matter, but old is probably the more recognisable to the readers
  1419. [15:31] <ENX> I agree, FM
  1420. [15:31] <TheSilentHero> *localization
  1421. [15:31] <FifteenthMember> e.g.
  1422. [15:31] <FifteenthMember> a new game comes out, we change all the names
  1423. [15:31] <FifteenthMember> readers come over, they become confused
  1424. [15:31] <FifteenthMember> because they're not aware yet
  1425. [15:31] <+Xion4ever> ^
  1426. [15:32] <FifteenthMember> So old takes preference over new
  1427. [15:32] <FifteenthMember> in cases where majority rule does not work
  1428. [15:32] <FifteenthMember> I think that's solid
  1429. [15:32] <MateusinhoEX> Agree. It's a specific Peddler and Mayor, not regular ones
  1430. [15:32] <Draaek> I agree with FM
  1431. [15:32] <FifteenthMember> We still enforce the "no title" rule, I presume?
  1432. [15:32] <FifteenthMember> E.g. Jack Sparrow instead of "Captain Jack Sparrow"
  1433. [15:32] <FifteenthMember> or Eraqus instead of Master Eraqus
  1434. [15:32] <TheSilentHero> Don't you think readers will be playing the newer games?
  1435. [15:33] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, afked for the last half hour, but I'm back. Where are we.
  1436. [15:33] <FifteenthMember> reader comes over for help on new game
  1437. [15:33] <FifteenthMember> (names KSM)
  1438. [15:33] <ENX> The titles, I feel, would apply to the journal name
  1439. [15:33] <FifteenthMember> reader only knows about old games; he doesn't know the new games yet
  1440. [15:33] <+Xion4ever> I really think we should open a forum on this.
  1441. [15:33] <ENX> So for instance, I believe it's Master Eraqus in the journal
  1442. [15:33] <+Xion4ever> We've got ideas generating, but we need more people to comment than just us.
  1443. [15:33] <FifteenthMember> The only opinion we don't have is NZ and KK if he notices it
  1444. [15:34] <FifteenthMember> the only likely opinions anyway
  1445. [15:34] <FifteenthMember> so yeah
  1446. [15:34] <FifteenthMember> forum sure for clarification
  1447. [15:34] <MateusinhoEX> So okay. With conflicting names, such as Jack, we use the fullname. People with different names, such as Beat (Daisukenojo Bito), we take what is more used in the game. In case of different names in different games, take the most recurring one. With ones with the same number of occurences, take the oldest and make a redirect with the newer.
  1448. [15:34] <ENX> I feel like when we make all these forums, the roundtable logs should obviously be included or referred to....
  1449. [15:34] <FifteenthMember> sure, sure
  1450. [15:34] <ENX> But basically, MEX
  1451. [15:35] <MateusinhoEX> Put that small explanation on forum
  1452. [15:35] <FifteenthMember> it'll be on roundtable agenda
  1453. [15:35] <FifteenthMember> so
  1454. [15:35] <MateusinhoEX> also, when we use the Journal exactly?
  1455. [15:35] <FifteenthMember> Next?
  1456. [15:35] <+Xion4ever> ENX, you want to create the forum?
  1457. [15:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> "Note on implementing the MA awards."
  1458. [15:35] <FifteenthMember> Err
  1459. [15:35] <FifteenthMember> postponed
  1460. [15:36] <ENX> Xion4ever, I would, but I don't feel like I'm the best at making such forums, more so on commenting on them.
  1461. [15:36] <FifteenthMember> since it might be moved to keyhole
  1462. [15:36] * Aixon (56a5a79b@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  1463. [15:36] <FifteenthMember> wb Aixon
  1464. [15:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, if we move it, we'll probably wait till afte the Joint Struggle.
  1465. [15:36] <Aixon> OK, all that time I didn't realise you were still going...
  1466. [15:36] <ENX> Xion4ever, we can piece it together together, if you want. In a PM.
  1467. [15:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And it will probably continue to function the same way
  1468. [15:36] <FifteenthMember> OKay
  1469. [15:36] <FifteenthMember> So
  1470. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> I still think
  1471. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> If we move the MA
  1472. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> we can start the award then
  1473. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> So it's something new and fresh
  1474. [15:37] <VanitastheBloody> Hey, hey, Aixon.
  1475. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> it'll be awkwa+rd
  1476. [15:37] <VanitastheBloody> The MA award.
  1477. [15:37] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, that's fine.
  1478. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> *awkward if the archives were all keyhole winners
  1479. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> Then the first was a khwiki one
  1480. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> anything else?
  1481. [15:37] <FifteenthMember> *on the agenda?
  1482. [15:37] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Nope.
  1483. [15:38] <FifteenthMember> Ah
  1484. [15:38] <FifteenthMember> well
  1485. [15:38] <FifteenthMember> we are done
  1486. [15:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I need to know something.
  1487. [15:38] <FifteenthMember> unless we go back to operation keychian
  1488. [15:38] <FifteenthMember> *keychain
  1489. [15:38] <FifteenthMember> yes KSM?
  1490. [15:38] <VanitastheBloody> Forum.
  1491. [15:38] <VanitastheBloody> >.>
  1492. [15:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> That's what I wanted to know.
  1493. [15:38] <FifteenthMember> oh
  1494. [15:38] <VanitastheBloody> Everybody says forum.
  1495. [15:38] <FifteenthMember> I'll bring something else up
  1496. [15:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 'Cuz Operation: Keychain is not just The Keyhole's purpose, that was just one thing.
  1497. [15:38] <VanitastheBloody> Which I don't like.
  1498. [15:39] <+Xion4ever> Gotta go.
  1499. [15:39] <VanitastheBloody> Bye.
  1500. [15:39] <FifteenthMember> cya Xion
  1501. [15:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> There's a ton of other things that I want to know if you guys are okay with or not.
  1502. [15:39] <+Xion4ever> Good work, guys. ^_^
  1503. [15:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> See ya Xion.
  1504. [15:39] * +Xion4ever (482f7d69@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit
  1505. [15:39] <FifteenthMember> I'll just bring up my point next rt I guess
  1506. [15:39] <FifteenthMember> I was going to say
  1507. [15:39] <Pea14733> We need to break down the operations in different topics then
  1508. [15:39] <FifteenthMember> if we should disband the roundtable
  1509. [15:39] <FinalRest> ^
  1510. [15:39] <FifteenthMember> and give focus to the forums
  1511. [15:39] <FifteenthMember> like the good old days
  1512. [15:39] <FifteenthMember> cos, they're not working that well tbh
  1513. [15:39] <FinalRest> I was agreeing with Pea
  1514. [15:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll be setting them up right now into subpage in my userpage. Do you guys want to discuss them there?
  1515. [15:39] <VanitastheBloody> That won't work.
  1516. [15:40] <Pea14733> No FM no
  1517. [15:40] <FifteenthMember> mmhmm
  1518. [15:40] <FifteenthMember> okay
  1519. [15:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Guys?
  1520. [15:40] <Pea14733> Yes?
  1521. [15:40] <FifteenthMember> KSM
  1522. [15:40] <FifteenthMember> Big forum page
  1523. [15:40] <FifteenthMember> I think
  1524. [15:40] <FifteenthMember> it's important
  1525. [15:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [15:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll be setting them up right now into subpages in my userpage. Do you guys want to discuss them there?
  1526. [15:40] <FifteenthMember> Actually
  1527. [15:40] <VanitastheBloody> I dissagree.
  1528. [15:40] <FifteenthMember> Shouldn't it be in Traverse Town
  1529. [15:41] <FifteenthMember> in the "wiki-approved" page
  1530. [15:41] <FifteenthMember> and in KHWiki: space
  1531. [15:41] <Pea14733> Err
  1532. [15:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Probably
  1533. [15:41] <FifteenthMember> cos it's mega
  1534. [15:41] <Pea14733> Maybe here but not today
  1535. [15:41] <FifteenthMember> like megaproject arise
  1536. [15:41] <Pea14733> I'm dying
  1537. [15:41] <VanitastheBloody> 1:that will flood the RC
  1538. [15:41] <FifteenthMember> wut?
  1539. [15:41] <VanitastheBloody> 2:EDIT CONFLICTS
  1540. [15:41] <FifteenthMember> wuwt?
  1541. [15:41] <FifteenthMember> *wut?
  1542. [15:41] <ENX> I believe Chainoffire had meantioned discussing my becoming admin again...just throwing that out there because I have to go to dinner now. Xion4ever and I are piecing together a forum about the article titles.
  1543. [15:41] <VanitastheBloody> I disagree on the Forum.
  1544. [15:42] <FifteenthMember> as opposed to having it on the userspace
  1545. [15:42] <VanitastheBloody> I nominate you for an Admin.
  1546. [15:42] <FifteenthMember> which would do the exact same thing?
  1547. [15:42] <VanitastheBloody> ENX
  1548. [15:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Then how do we discuss Operation: Keychain if not on the wiki and not on the IRC right now?
  1549. [15:42] <MateusinhoEX> I was absent a long time, maybe I'm not the best to tell that, but I'm also okay with ENX getting his rights back, after all I heard and saw about him.
  1550. [15:42] <Pea14733> Wiki
  1551. [15:42] <FifteenthMember> ENX, the rule we said when we done the staff policy was two months of consistent activity is required
  1552. [15:42] <FifteenthMember> i don't remember how long you've been back for
  1553. [15:42] <FifteenthMember> but i'll check
  1554. [15:43] <VanitastheBloody> I'll check.
  1555. [15:43] <VanitastheBloody> ^_^
  1556. [15:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'd say at least one month is down, with December.
  1557. [15:43] <FifteenthMember> KSM
  1558. [15:43] <FifteenthMember> Wiki
  1559. [15:43] <Pea14733> On the f***ing wiki please
  1560. [15:43] <FifteenthMember> KHWiki: space
  1561. [15:43] <FifteenthMember> My thoughts
  1562. [15:43] <ENX> Right, now I remember. I think it's been about a month or so, so nevermind. It was December and into January.
  1563. [15:43] <Pea14733> Forum, whatever
  1564. [15:43] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  1565. [15:43] <ENX> But yeah, dinnertime
  1566. [15:43] * ENX is now known as ENX|Away
  1567. [15:43] <FifteenthMember> So, I'd say, ask again in a month
  1568. [15:43] <FifteenthMember> See ya~
  1569. [15:43] <Pea14733> RC flooding isn't even a problem
  1570. [15:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, I'll set it up in my userspace, adn then move it to KHWiki:space
  1571. [15:43] <FifteenthMember> it's not, no
  1572. [15:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
  1573. [15:44] <FifteenthMember> sure
  1574. [15:44] <FifteenthMember> I'm going to read your 20 page document now
  1575. [15:44] <VanitastheBloody> Everyone says it is.
  1576. [15:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> More just an issue with NZ because it was the exact same thing on many many pages
  1577. [15:44] <Pea14733> Who say?
  1578. [15:44] <Pea14733> I don't
  1579. [15:44] <FifteenthMember> no
  1580. [15:44] <Pea14733> FOr one
  1581. [15:44] <FifteenthMember> that was because of inappropriate capitalisation
  1582. [15:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It was just NZ when we did the Inappropriate Capitalization
  1583. [15:44] <FifteenthMember> where it was about 2000+ edits
  1584. [15:44] <FifteenthMember> forums are no prob
  1585. [15:45] <FifteenthMember> if people are worried so much about edit flooding
  1586. [15:45] <FifteenthMember> it'll scare them off from editing at all
  1587. [15:45] <VanitastheBloody> That'll be easier to do IC
  1588. [15:45] <FifteenthMember> we don't want that
  1589. [15:45] <VanitastheBloody> It scared ANX off.
  1590. [15:45] <FifteenthMember> personally, i see it fine to do IC on normal accounts
  1591. [15:45] <FifteenthMember> Changing to khwikibot is too tedious
  1592. [15:45] <Pea14733> They can choose to hide certain space from showing up on RC no?
  1593. [15:45] <FifteenthMember> But that's just my opinion
  1594. [15:45] <VanitastheBloody> It is. That's Why I stopped.
  1595. [15:46] <VanitastheBloody> WIth the Inappropriate Capitalization
  1596. [15:46] <FifteenthMember> yeah
  1597. [15:46] <FifteenthMember> Actually
  1598. [15:46] <Pea14733> So are we done?
  1599. [15:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess we're done then.
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