[10/10/2015 23:24:06] Wolfer_mm: Show it to falcon and rpg... I'm drunk and sleepy
[10/10/2015 23:24:56] WriteEscape: I have :P
[10/10/2015 23:25:34] Wolfer_mm: Right now i would say no to that commitee thingy because that destroys the outlaws being run by its members
[10/10/2015 23:26:17] WriteEscape: except there are people like Lyte who don't want to know about the businessy side of things
[10/10/2015 23:26:56] Wolfer_mm: Thats his choise. But have a limit on ppl who can run it
[10/10/2015 23:27:06] WriteEscape: there is
[10/10/2015 23:27:33] Wolfer_mm: Why is there 1
[10/10/2015 23:27:52] WriteEscape: where?
[10/10/2015 23:28:42] WriteEscape: look at number 5
[10/10/2015 23:29:09] Wolfer_mm: Well your commity thing limits the amount of say ppl have. Which is not the way oc was ment to be run... Its members based. If they dont want to thats fine. But we cant force a limit on others
[10/10/2015 23:29:36] WriteEscape: actually its the reverse
[10/10/2015 23:29:43] WriteEscape: people get more of a say
[10/10/2015 23:30:10] WriteEscape: they get to vote on who does what, they get to come to meetings if they wish
[10/10/2015 23:30:33] WriteEscape: just like how there is not all of the OC members in the business chat
[10/10/2015 23:30:40] Wolfer_mm: But theres also the part where it says that the commity decides certain things. Which is limiting
[10/10/2015 23:31:22] Wolfer_mm: Buisness chat is there to lay down the basic and then run them trough the rest of the members who would like to know the business stuff and adjust/suggest things
[10/10/2015 23:31:44] WriteEscape: getting everyone at a meeting is highly unlikely, which is why I added it in
[10/10/2015 23:32:32] Wolfer_mm: Meetings with a few to get a base layed out... Sure but bo decisions made witout other pol
[10/10/2015 23:32:35] Wolfer_mm: Ppl
[10/10/2015 23:33:08] WriteEscape: that would fall under Special General Meetings
[10/10/2015 23:33:24] Wolfer_mm: No.  Nvm.
[10/10/2015 23:35:33] WriteEscape: I am not suggesting we do things without consent, I am merely trying to formalise what we have right now
[10/10/2015 23:36:20] Wolfer_mm: I still think that teh part about the commity deciding shoud be changed in laying down a base and then asking community for their opinion
[10/10/2015 23:36:38] WriteEscape: which part is that?
[10/10/2015 23:38:07] Wolfer_mm: The voting part in 5
The deciding part in 3
[10/10/2015 23:38:13] WriteEscape: "General Meetings are open to all members and will be held at least once every 3 months or more often if necessary.
All members will be given two weeks notice of such a meeting, giving the venue, date, time and agenda, and notice may be by email or Skype
The quorum for a General Meeting shall be 10% of the membership or 5 members, whichever is the greater number."
[10/10/2015 23:39:13] Wolfer_mm: Yeah sure but you said in 5 that they can speak but not vote--> not an open community
And in 3.x that the commity then decides
[10/10/2015 23:39:20] Wolfer_mm: Now i'm going to bed
[10/10/2015 23:39:41] WriteEscape: those who can speak but not vote are new members or prospective members
[10/10/2015 23:39:58] Wolfer_mm: Make that more clear in the thingy then
[10/10/2015 23:40:12] Wolfer_mm: Also why wouldnt be new members allowed to vote
[10/10/2015 23:40:55] WriteEscape: the same reason why people who just pass the age to vote in your country shouldn't vote
[10/10/2015 23:41:36] Wolfer_mm: They are obligated to vote. And as a part of the community they should be informed and then still have a say
[10/10/2015 23:43:04] WriteEscape: The Committee meetings will be open to any member of OutlawMedia wishing to attend, who may speak but not vote by this we mean any prospective member or a guest of a member.
[10/10/2015 23:44:22] WriteEscape: i do not want Committee meetings to go on for hours, which is what happened when we last had a meeting
[10/10/2015 23:45:06] Wolfer_mm: No. Just make basic rules... About time... And subjects that arent finished within 20min will be reopend in the next meeting unless urgent
[10/10/2015 23:45:26] WriteEscape: that's what an agenda is for
[10/10/2015 23:45:47] Wolfer_mm: No an agenda is for the topics. Its not time relatee
[10/10/2015 23:45:50] Wolfer_mm: Related
[10/10/2015 23:47:38] WriteEscape: true, do i really need to add that in to the document though?
[10/10/2015 23:48:30] Wolfer_mm: Yes... 20min/topic then moved to next meeting.
[10/10/2015 23:51:18] WriteEscape: a general majority isn't enough?
[10/10/2015 23:51:36] Wolfer_mm: Huh
[10/10/2015 23:51:53] WriteEscape: If a consensus cannot be reached a vote will be taken and a decision will be made by a simple majority of members present.
[10/10/2015 23:52:39] Wolfer_mm: How much does the majority have to be... 1 vote, 10% 50%....  Who is gonna set that number.
[10/10/2015 23:53:23] WriteEscape: a majority is a majority, we count up those present, and if there are more Yes votes then No votes then it's passed
[10/10/2015 23:53:47] WriteEscape: if they are equal the chair gets a second vote to make it not so
[10/10/2015 23:54:26] Wolfer_mm: 1 vote more isnt a good vote. You'll piss of 49% of the ppl
[10/10/2015 23:54:43] Wolfer_mm: No the chair does not have morenpower than others
[10/10/2015 23:54:47] Wolfer_mm: No no no
[10/10/2015 23:55:07] Wolfer_mm: Community based or not community based... No chair with more powers
[10/10/2015 23:55:30] WriteEscape: so, in your head what happens if both sides are equal?
[10/10/2015 23:55:48] WriteEscape: do you revote, until it isn't?
[10/10/2015 23:56:52] Wolfer_mm: Then we move the discussion to the next meeting so pol can think about it longer and get some more facts and shit in....
And as i said unless relly urgent... Each topic only 20min
[10/10/2015 23:57:20] WriteEscape: so the next meeting comes along and it's still equal
[10/10/2015 23:57:30] Wolfer_mm: Move it
[10/10/2015 23:57:35] WriteEscape: and so on and so on
[10/10/2015 23:58:07] Wolfer_mm: If it stays eaqual we might have to approach it on a different angle and present a different angle to pol
[10/10/2015 23:58:13] Wolfer_mm: Ppl
[10/10/2015 23:59:32] WriteEscape: are you a member of charity or a club of some sort outside of OC?
[00:00:13] Wolfer_mm: No but i've worked with bigger communities irl than this and i've helped them get their shit straufjt
[00:01:16] WriteEscape: I'm also writing it so that you can only be on the committee until a AGM where the community gets to vote if they can stay on or someone else can take over
[00:02:20] Wolfer_mm: Also why the question on the charity thing
[00:02:51] WriteEscape: charities or not for profit groups have a vastly different setup to that of say a tennis club
[00:03:51] WriteEscape: for example, a Church has trustee's who get a vote, but not everyone who goes to that church is a trustee
[00:04:14] WriteEscape: but everyone who goes to that church can voice their opinion but cannot vote
[00:04:18] Wolfer_mm: I know how a members run community works... I've done more shit in my life than you know. The thing you are trying to setup is a business. Which is fine but then either stop making it a members run thing and just a business or remove the business part. It cant be both
[00:04:39] Wolfer_mm: We are not a church. Club charity!
[00:05:03] WriteEscape: we are not for profit, since the money we have goes back into the community
[00:05:37] WriteEscape: if we are not, not for profit, then we are a business, and businesses are setup differently still
[00:07:43] Wolfer_mm: I call you monday night with rpg to talk about the money and then well see about this commity thing for the business thats not a business but is going to be run like a business
[00:08:50] WriteEscape: okay, tell ya what wolfer, i'm going to resign from my post and give you it
[00:09:47] WriteEscape: since you obviously know what your doing more then me
[00:10:12] Wolfer_mm: You just need to realize that what you are trying to do isnt community based anymore and more setup like a business
[00:11:30] WriteEscape: so, okay, you get back to me with how you'ld run it
[00:11:37] Wolfer_mm: And if you want it to be a business then make it one but then also remove all the community bs
[00:13:12] Wolfer_mm: I'll come back to you mondaynighy to discuss the money. After that we will discuss this now my phone is dead and indont have a charger... C u monday