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- (Stanley) Thank you for
- doing this interview.
- 00:00:02.108 --> 00:00:04.028
- (James) Well, thank you for inviting me.
- 00:00:04.028 --> 00:00:09.460
- (Stanley) You're welcome. I would like to
- ask you some questions about Gladio B.
- 00:00:09.460 --> 00:00:10.459
- (James) Sure.
- 00:00:10.459 --> 00:00:13.187
- (Stanley) On the way over here,
- I read the transcripts
- 00:00:13.187 --> 00:00:18.518
- (Stanley) on the Gladio B series with
- Sibel Edmonds,
- 00:00:18.518 --> 00:00:21.824
- (Stanley) and I saw the series in 2013,
- 00:00:21.824 --> 00:00:24.207
- (Stanley) which was kind of mind-blowing.
- 00:00:24.207 --> 00:00:26.506
- (Stanley) But reading the transcripts now,
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- (Stanley) we're a year ahead,
- 00:00:29.075 --> 00:00:35.177
- (Stanley) and it really strikes me how
- well this ties in with current events.
- 00:00:36.007 --> 00:00:38.404
- (Stanley) Could you say something
- about that?
- 00:00:38.404 --> 00:00:40.205
- (James) I think you're exactly right.
- 00:00:40.205 --> 00:00:44.450
- That was, in fact, one of the things Sibel
- stressed in that video interview series:
- 00:00:44.450 --> 00:00:48.895
- was that this is an area of the globe
- that most people don't know about,
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- but they're going to be increasingly
- aware of in the future.
- 00:00:52.620 --> 00:00:55.593
- And I think that's already started
- to come true.
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- I mean, for example, we had the
- Boston Bombing, obviously,
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- talking about Dagestan,
- suddenly becoming
- 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:06.399
- at least something that was <i>mentioned</i>
- in the news in America.
- 00:01:06.784 --> 00:01:10.592
- And we're seeing... not necessarily
- an <i>increase,</i>
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- but certainly <i>ongoing</i> tensions,
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- in the Caucasus region
- and in Central Asia
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- that I think are going to become more
- and more important
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- as we go out from here.
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- So I think it is already starting
- to come true,
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- but I think it still has much more to go.
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- I think that the way that people tend
- to concentrate on the Middle East now
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- is the way that they're going
- to be concentrating
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- on this region of the globe very soon.
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- And I think that for people who aware
- of that video interview series,
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- they're probably ahead of the curve
- when it comes to that.
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- And I shared your experience, when
- I was interviewing Sibel, with that:
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- I had a vague idea what
- we were talking about,
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- but I was learning it at the
- same time,
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- and it was absolutely mind-blowing
- for me as well.
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- It put into perspective so many pieces
- of the puzzle
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- that I had encountered along the way
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- but that I didn't know exactly how they
- fit together.
- 00:02:01.570 --> 00:02:03.503
- And even now, as I'm coming back to it
- 00:02:03.503 --> 00:02:05.796
- and preparing this lecture here
- in Groningen
- 00:02:05.796 --> 00:02:07.802
- and coming back to some of
- that information
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- and seeing how it synthesizes in,
- 00:02:09.764 --> 00:02:13.985
- as I continue to expand my
- understanding of it,
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- it continues to...
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- it continues to blow my mind in some
- ways, the way that it all fits together.
- 00:02:21.619 --> 00:02:25.480
- So, yeah: it was a mind-blowing series,
- and I think it is exceptionally important.
- 00:02:25.480 --> 00:02:28.712
- And it is going to be <i>more</i> important as
- things continue to play out.
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- (Stanley) Yeah. The first time that
- I saw it,
- 00:02:30.791 --> 00:02:35.052
- (Stanley) I was a little overwhelmed by
- the amount of information,
- 00:02:35.052 --> 00:02:40.122
- (Stanley) the names that are being
- named from the beginning,
- 00:02:40.122 --> 00:02:42.556
- (Stanley) like the... Mister Çatlı,
- 00:02:42.556 --> 00:02:43.563
- (James) Yes.
- 00:02:43.563 --> 00:02:46.904
- (Stanley) which is the main figure
- in the first of the series.
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- (James) Yes.
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- (Stanley) Reading it again, it becomes
- a little more clear.
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- (James) Mm-hm.
- 00:02:54.032 --> 00:02:58.179
- (Stanley) You probably did a lot of
- research to do this lecture.
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- (Stanley) Could you say something
- 00:03:00.749 --> 00:03:05.121
- (Stanley) about how important it is
- to document things like this?
- 00:03:05.751 --> 00:03:07.330
- (Stanley) Yeah, could you just...
- 00:03:07.330 --> 00:03:11.826
- (James) Yes. Well, I think this is
- absolutely, essentially important,
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- because what Sibel has done with
- the interviews that she has given
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- is thrown, as you say, so much
- information out on the table,
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- some of which comes from
- her own personal experience.
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- But I think almost everything
- which she talked about
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- is verifiable through various news
- stories, documents, court filings...
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- There's a huge cookie crumb trail
- all over the place
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- that would <i>never</i> have made sense.
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- I never would have found any
- of that information
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- without Sibel painting the picture.
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- And now I can go and fill in
- those details.
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- But it's impossible...
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- -- for me, at any rate --
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- by myself, to do this.
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- Which is why, I think, for people
- who have had
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- that similar mind-blowing experience
- with that interview series,
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- it's incumbent on them to become
- part of this research,
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- which is what I'm going to emphasize
- in this lecture, in fact, at the end.
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- Because there are still many things
- that we need more things filled in
- 00:04:03.958 --> 00:04:08.688
- with corroborating evidence: news
- stories and all of this, that... again,
- 00:04:08.688 --> 00:04:12.465
- I've only started to put those pieces
- together, but there's much more to go.
- 00:04:12.465 --> 00:04:15.860
- So I think it's an open-source effort that
- will have to continue from here.
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- We're really just launching it
- at this point.
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- (Stanley) Yeah, that's absolutely true.
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- (Stanley) Could you say something...
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- (Stanley) I personally find it very
- significant
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- (Stanley) that you've been invited to
- speak at this university
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- (Stanley) specifically on this subject,
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- (Stanley) because it's kind of explosive,
- in a way.
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- (Stanley) How did you get in touch with
- the people from the university?
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- How did that contact go?
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- (James) Yes. Well, I was contacted
- by Tjeerd Andringa,
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- who is at the University of Groningen.
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- I had interviewed him on my podcast
- maybe two years ago,
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- and so he had suggested this,
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- and Studium Generale was running
- a lecture series
- 00:05:01.903 --> 00:05:04.381
- -- on geopolitics and resources,
- -- Stanley: Yeah.
- 00:05:04.381 --> 00:05:07.519
- (James) and so Tjeerd suggested me
- for that series,
- 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.517
- and suggested that Gladio B,
- 00:05:09.517 --> 00:05:11.285
- and how that relates to geopolitics
- 00:05:11.285 --> 00:05:14.748
- and the resource battle in Central Asia
- might be a good topic,
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- which I obviously agreed;
- And so did Studium Generale,
- 00:05:17.621 --> 00:05:19.233
- so it came together quite nicely.
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- (Stanley) Yeah. This video I'm making
- for <i>ZapLog</i>.
- 00:05:25.478 --> 00:05:28.512
- (Stanley) I'm not officially a part of
- <i>Zaplog;</i>
- 00:05:28.512 --> 00:05:32.997
- (Stanley) It's just something that I'm
- involved with on a...
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- (Stanley) on a free basis?
- How do you say it?
- 00:05:36.902 --> 00:05:41.091
- (Stanley) You've just recently opened
- your website up to people
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- -- Stanley: that contribute some money.
- -- James: Yes, yes.
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- (Stanley) As little as one dollar
- or 70 Euro cents a month,
- 00:05:50.029 --> 00:05:53.029
- (Stanley) you can be a part of the open
- source investigation.
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- (James) Yes.
- 00:05:54.033 --> 00:05:57.402
- (Stanley) Could you say something
- about what's important
- 00:05:57.402 --> 00:06:01.772
- (Stanley) in developing an open
- source community
- 00:06:01.772 --> 00:06:03.683
- (Stanley) when it comes to intelligence?
- 00:06:03.683 --> 00:06:07.184
- (James) Yes. Well, I think the key to this
- is that it doesn't...
- 00:06:07.475 --> 00:06:10.365
- the shape that this takes obviously
- doesn't depend on me
- 00:06:10.365 --> 00:06:11.693
- or any other individual.
- 00:06:11.693 --> 00:06:13.396
- It depends on the community itself,
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- which is self-selecting.
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- So it really is what people make of it.
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- And I have been very, very happy
- and impressed
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- with some of the things that we've
- managed to do already,
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- which is, for example, the MH-17 report,
- or others like that,
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- that literally hundreds of people
- contributed to,
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- speaking all sorts of different languages,
- in different parts of the globe.
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- It's incredible.
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- So that's the idea of what we're
- trying to develop.
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- And we're going from here.
- We're moving forward.
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- And it's a slow process.
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- I don't think that what I'm doing
- at <i>The Corbett Report</i>
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- is the be-all and end-all of this.
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- It's just one tiny little piece
- of the puzzle,
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- but hopefully it's important,
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- and hopefully other people can
- take this idea and run with it,
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- which is, I think...
- when it starts to self-replicate,
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- and everyone is involved and
- is doing this
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- in whatever way comes to them:
- that's the point.
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- We're looking for that kind
- of tipping point.
- 00:07:04.927 --> 00:07:07.485
- Because we, right now, have the
- technology to do this,
- 00:07:07.485 --> 00:07:11.432
- which truly never existed before
- in the history of humanity.
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- We are creating something
- very new here.
- 00:07:13.357 --> 00:07:14.362
- (Stanley) Yeah.
- 00:07:14.362 --> 00:07:18.218
- (James) And I don't know what that's
- gonna look like. <i>No one</i> knows that.
- 00:07:18.218 --> 00:07:20.067
- But if we don't take advantage of it,
- 00:07:20.067 --> 00:07:23.146
- if we don't shape it in the way that we
- want, towards what we want
- 00:07:23.146 --> 00:07:24.926
- -- it'll never happen.
- -- Stanley: Yeah.
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- So I'm taking the bull by the horns,
- and let the chips fall where they may
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- That was a weird mixed analogy,
- but really...
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- (Stanley) (laughs) Yeah. Like... with
- working on <i>ZapLog</i>,
- 00:07:34.598 --> 00:07:37.003
- (Stanley) I often run into the same
- people,
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- (Stanley) and looking at the
- Web statistics,
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- (Stanley) there are a lot of readers
- out there,
- 00:07:41.925 --> 00:07:44.352
- (Stanley) and in the case
- of <i>Corbett Report</i>,
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- (Stanley) there are many
- more readers, probably
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- (Stanley) than there are people
- that contribute to the comments
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- (Stanley) or say something
- in the pipeline.
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- (James) Right.
- 00:07:55.932 --> 00:07:58.071
- (Stanley) Could you say
- something about,
- 00:07:58.071 --> 00:08:03.588
- (Stanley) maybe to... how do you say it?
- 00:08:03.588 --> 00:08:08.756
- (Stanley) stimulate people to put on
- their...
- 00:08:08.756 --> 00:08:11.652
- (Stanley) (laughs) this is a Dutch
- saying:
- 00:08:11.652 --> 00:08:14.428
- (Stanley) "put on their naughty shoes."
- (laughs)
- 00:08:14.428 --> 00:08:18.506
- (Stanley) Which basically means,
- just get over...
- 00:08:18.506 --> 00:08:21.220
- (Stanley) just go and do it:
- take the risk.
- 00:08:21.220 --> 00:08:22.311
- (James) Right, right.
- 00:08:22.311 --> 00:08:25.820
- (Stanley) Meaning, just take the chance
- 00:08:25.820 --> 00:08:30.019
- (Stanley) of just speaking
- your mind, or...
- 00:08:30.019 --> 00:08:31.799
- (James) How to motivate people to that?
- 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:34.351
- (Stanley) Yeah, maybe a little bit of
- a motivational...
- 00:08:34.351 --> 00:08:36.420
- (James) Yeah, well, it's difficult for me,
- 00:08:36.420 --> 00:08:38.917
- because the motivation, for me,
- comes from within.
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- (Stanley) Yeah.
- 00:08:39.922 --> 00:08:44.386
- (James) I don't know why. I'm maybe the
- <i>type</i> of person that's motivated by this;
- 00:08:44.386 --> 00:08:48.989
- but for me, it was overwhelming when I
- started encountering this information,
- 00:08:48.989 --> 00:08:53.083
- and not ever having seen it before:
- Why? Why not?
- 00:08:53.083 --> 00:08:57.292
- And there was no good answer to that.
- And the only thing I could think to do
- 00:08:57.292 --> 00:09:00.411
- was to become part of the process
- of spreading this to others.
- 00:09:00.411 --> 00:09:02.481
- I had no idea what form that would take.
- 00:09:02.481 --> 00:09:06.241
- Originally I was just going to hand CDs
- of podcasts out to people.
- 00:09:06.241 --> 00:09:09.672
- That was a silly idea. (laughter) I was in
- Japan. Most people wouldn't even
- 00:09:09.672 --> 00:09:13.817
- understand it, anyway. So I just decided,
- "I'll start a website,"
- 00:09:13.817 --> 00:09:15.505
- and it just developed organically.
- 00:09:15.505 --> 00:09:16.959
- There is no master plan.
- 00:09:16.959 --> 00:09:19.323
- I have no idea what form it's
- going to take.
- 00:09:19.323 --> 00:09:21.017
- All I know is I have to do it.
- 00:09:21.017 --> 00:09:23.082
- And if someone doesn't have
- that motivation,
- 00:09:23.082 --> 00:09:25.180
- -- I can't fault them for that.
- -- Stanley: No.
- 00:09:25.180 --> 00:09:27.398
- (James) I just don't know
- how to incite that.
- 00:09:27.398 --> 00:09:30.666
- I think it's really just a question of
- knowledge and understanding,
- 00:09:30.666 --> 00:09:32.866
- and I think once you reach
- a certain point
- 00:09:32.866 --> 00:09:35.958
- of discrepancy between what
- you're seeing and hearing
- 00:09:35.958 --> 00:09:38.565
- and what you're finding out through
- your own research,
- 00:09:38.565 --> 00:09:41.500
- if that doesn't motivate you,
- I don't know what will.
- 00:09:41.504 --> 00:09:44.219
- (Stanley) So basically, the readers that
- are reading:
- 00:09:44.219 --> 00:09:46.215
- (Stanley) keep reading, keep researching,
- 00:09:46.215 --> 00:09:48.171
- (Stanley) and whatever may come?
- 00:09:48.171 --> 00:09:49.173
- (James) That's it.
- 00:09:49.173 --> 00:09:51.510
- I try not to make too much of a set plan
- 00:09:51.510 --> 00:09:54.978
- of how things are going to work, because
- they never work out that way anyway.
- 00:09:54.978 --> 00:09:57.450
- And everything I've done has been organic.
- 00:09:57.450 --> 00:10:00.803
- It's just, "This seems like the thing
- I should be doing, so I'll do it."
- 00:10:00.803 --> 00:10:02.089
- And it's worked out so far,
- 00:10:02.089 --> 00:10:04.505
- and who knows if it will work
- in the future?
- 00:10:04.505 --> 00:10:08.174
- But that's my agenda. That's my plan.
- 00:10:08.174 --> 00:10:10.447
- (Stanley) OK. Well, for me personally,
- this is
- 00:10:10.447 --> 00:10:13.780
- -- my first video interview with anyone.
- -- James: Thank you. Ah.
- 00:10:13.780 --> 00:10:18.783
- (Stanley) I've wanted to do it with some
- other people from Holland. There's...
- 00:10:18.783 --> 00:10:22.465
- (Stanley) I don't know his name, but
- there's a man that used to work for <i>NRC</i>.
- 00:10:22.465 --> 00:10:29.645
- (Stanley) He's been in a few <i>RT</i>
- interviews talking about the propaganda
- 00:10:29.645 --> 00:10:35.071
- (Stanley) against Russia. But I thought
- I'd take a chance now and interview you.
- 00:10:35.071 --> 00:10:38.001
- -- So thank you very much!
- -- James: I'm glad you did. Thank you.
- 00:10:38.001 --> 00:10:41.034
- (Stanley) So maybe this is number one
- of a long series. We'll see.
- 00:10:41.034 --> 00:10:41.943
- (James): I hope so.
- 00:10:41.943 --> 00:10:44.508
- -- Stanley: OK. Thank you very much.
- -- James: Thank you.
- 00:10:44.508 --> 00:10:46.000
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