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  1. 2014-12-13 19:11 Anduck| sirscrubsalot: ok. well, for bitcoins you're not intending to use in near future, i suggest you make a paper wallet
  2. 2014-12-13 19:12 Anduck| it's like.. carry same amount of bitcoins in your mobile wallet as you would carry usual cash
  3. 2014-12-13 19:12 PRab| sirscrubsalot: http://coinmap.org/ ?
  4. 2014-12-13 19:12 piqure| ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
  5. 2014-12-13 19:12 sirscrubsa| i'm still learning about the paper wallet options... but it seems i need another offline machine
  6. 2014-12-13 19:12 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: there are no good paper wallet options yet - best today is something like Armory, and write down the seed
  7. 2014-12-13 19:12 Anduck| sirscrubsalot: you can just download some live linux, get bitaddress.org (and verify it's not tampered source), don't plug in the computer to internet.. and just print it
  8. 2014-12-13 19:12 Anduck| or write
  9. 2014-12-13 19:12 * | ravi_ (b64458ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.68.88.173) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  10. 2014-12-13 19:13> Luke-Jr| Anduck: please don't give bad advice
  11. 2014-12-13 19:13 Anduck| Luke-Jr: what's your opinion of bitaddress.org?
  12. 2014-12-13 19:13 Luke-Jr| especially not terrible advice like that
  13. 2014-12-13 19:13 ravi_| hello Everyone
  14. 2014-12-13 19:13 PRab| +1 for Armory.
  15. 2014-12-13 19:13 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: regardless of what others say, never use a website to manage your bitcoins
  16. 2014-12-13 19:13 ravi_| I am new to bitcoin
  17. 2014-12-13 19:13 ravi_| need help
  18. 2014-12-13 19:13 Anduck| Luke-Jr: don't judge my advices or tell it's shit without telling reasons. :)
  19. 2014-12-13 19:13 sirscrubsa| does armory work on windows?
  20. 2014-12-13 19:13 smk| and use a different keyboard and mouse just in case
  21. 2014-12-13 19:13 PRab| ravi_: Just ask away.
  22. 2014-12-13 19:14 PRab| sirscrubsalot: Yep. I have it running on windows right now.
  23. 2014-12-13 19:14 sirscrubsa| okay, let's not get into arguments hehe... appreciate the opinions, i'll read up on the suggestions...
  24. 2014-12-13 19:14 ravi_| Do I need to verify my BitCoin Account? If yes .. how?
  25. 2014-12-13 19:14> Luke-Jr| Anduck: bad for 2 reasons: 1) advising using a website; 2) advising touching ECDSA private keys
  26. 2014-12-13 19:14 * | GrimKriegor (~GrimKrieg@126.20.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  27. 2014-12-13 19:14 Luke-Jr| neither of which should ever be done
  28. 2014-12-13 19:14 Anduck| ravi_: you don't need to verify anything to anyone. it's one of the great features
  29. 2014-12-13 19:14 ravi_| ok
  30. 2014-12-13 19:15 * | Zifre (~Zifre@unaffiliated/zifre) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  31. 2014-12-13 19:15 sirscrubsa| @ PRab , alongside armory on windows, is there anything else i should couple that with... was it electrum perhaps? or are those two standalone wallets?
  32. 2014-12-13 19:15 ravi_| How do I receive money using Bitcoin?
  33. 2014-12-13 19:15 Luke-Jr| ravi_: most wallets can display a QR code
  34. 2014-12-13 19:15 Luke-Jr| which your payer scans
  35. 2014-12-13 19:15 invest0r| does anyone want to invest 0.001 in me? I want to try something! I will pay back (max. 20 min later) 0.0015 if it works!
  36. 2014-12-13 19:15 Anduck| Luke-Jr: would you mind telling me more about the 2nd part. the 1st reason is just.. well, there are different levels of security.
  37. 2014-12-13 19:15 sirscrubsa| one of those also has the option to make a bip38 passphrase too right?
  38. 2014-12-13 19:15 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: don't trust an inherently insecure OS with significant amount of bitcoins
  39. 2014-12-13 19:15 * | Cyb3rR4t (~CyberRat@2001:980:4a23:1:f190:d6d9:112:782e) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  40. 2014-12-13 19:15 * | austeritysucks (~AS@unaffiliated/austeritysucks) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  41. 2014-12-13 19:15 ravi_| Can anyone pay me using paypal?>
  42. 2014-12-13 19:15 smk| no begging?
  43. 2014-12-13 19:16 PRab| sirscrubsalot: You would use armory or electrum. They are both wallets and serve the same purpose.
  44. 2014-12-13 19:16 * | nairb (~brian@cpe-68-173-133-80.nyc.res.rr.com) poistui (Syy: Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  45. 2014-12-13 19:16 Luke-Jr| invest0r: keep begging and prepare for ban
  46. 2014-12-13 19:16 * | ChanServ jakoi oikeuksia kanavalla #bitcoin (+o Anduck)
  47. 2014-12-13 19:16 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: BIP 38 is a bad idea; it never followed the proper BIP process, so it kinda bypassed peer review :/;
  48. 2014-12-13 19:16 PRab| sirscrubsalot: Armory lives on top of bitcoin core so you will need that running also.
  49. 2014-12-13 19:16 * | Anduck jakoi oikeuksia kanavalla #bitcoin (+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.119.175.250)
  50. 2014-12-13 19:16 * | invest0r () was kicked from #bitcoin by Anduck (no begging)
  51. 2014-12-13 19:16 * | ChanServ jakoi oikeuksia kanavalla #bitcoin (-o Anduck)
  52. 2014-12-13 19:16> Luke-Jr| Anduck: humans should never touch ECDSA private keys
  53. 2014-12-13 19:16 sirscrubsa| @ Luke-Jr , yes totally understand... this is for the mentioned dollar amount, like $60usd... oh PRab , so you would have to d/l that entire 20gb core?
  54. 2014-12-13 19:16 * | nairb (~brian@cpe-68-173-133-80.nyc.res.rr.com) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  55. 2014-12-13 19:17 Anduck| Luke-Jr: how is generating a private key touching ecdsa priv keys?
  56. 2014-12-13 19:17 sirscrubsa| ^ w/ armory that is
  57. 2014-12-13 19:17> Luke-Jr| Anduck: …
  58. 2014-12-13 19:17 PRab| sirscrubsalot: Yes, and armory also keeps its own 20 GB db.
  59. 2014-12-13 19:17> Luke-Jr| Anduck: to use Bitcoin, you require an ECDSA priv key for every single transaction
  60. 2014-12-13 19:17 Anduck| i mean.. if you use bitaddress.org or any other web service to make priv keys, how does it differ from making it with for example electrum?
  61. 2014-12-13 19:17 Luke-Jr| keeping track of those safely is not something humans should be expected to do
  62. 2014-12-13 19:17 ravi_| Can I get payment receive from paypal?
  63. 2014-12-13 19:17> Luke-Jr| Anduck: Electrum is software.
  64. 2014-12-13 19:18 Luke-Jr| ravi_: no
  65. 2014-12-13 19:18 Anduck| isn't the javascript at web page "software" too?
  66. 2014-12-13 19:18 buZz| Luke-Jr: hiya .. dno if i confirmed this to you earlier, but hashra's are just zeusminers
  67. 2014-12-13 19:18 * | twistedline (~twistedli@c-68-48-53-42.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
  68. 2014-12-13 19:18 smk| i would like to develop an app that will emboss a paper wallet into tinfoil which you may fold into a nice hat to also supremely protect one from ET
  69. 2014-12-13 19:18 PRab| sirscrubsalot: If you want something smaller, then use electrum.
  70. 2014-12-13 19:18> Luke-Jr| Anduck: inherently insecure software, that isn't doing a proper wallet
  71. 2014-12-13 19:18 ravi_| How can anyone pay me?
  72. 2014-12-13 19:18 smk| crowdfundable?
  73. 2014-12-13 19:18 Luke-Jr| ravi_: with their own bitcoin wallet
  74. 2014-12-13 19:18 buZz| ravi_: have you heard of bitcoin? :D
  75. 2014-12-13 19:18 sirscrubsa| with mycelium, these 2 hd accounts i have, one has like $4usd and the other has around $56usd... can i use account #1 and send those $4 to the 2nd account in the same wallet? am i subject to any fees with that (e.g. miner's fees which seem fairly negligible )
  76. 2014-12-13 19:19 ravi_| honestly know... I had used LR few years back
  77. 2014-12-13 19:19 Anduck| Luke-Jr: but it doesn't have anything to do with that ecdsa stuff? paper wallets are anyway 1-time use (receive as many txs you want and spend only once)
  78. 2014-12-13 19:19 * | n0n0__ (~n0n0___@kiel-5f768f76.pool.mediaWays.net) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  79. 2014-12-13 19:19> Luke-Jr| Anduck: no, what you're describing is NOT a paper wallet, it is an ECDSA private key
  80. 2014-12-13 19:19 PRab| sirscrubsalot: Yes, you can send to any wallet (including your own). The only fee is the miners fee.
  81. 2014-12-13 19:19> Luke-Jr| Anduck: and an ECDSA private key is *receive once* as well
  82. 2014-12-13 19:19 sirscrubsa| okay PRab , electrum seems like it was the next/most popular option....
  83. 2014-12-13 19:19 ravi_| I m into Internet business..
  84. 2014-12-13 19:20 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: 20 GB isn't much..
  85. 2014-12-13 19:20 ravi_| and my client doesn't have bitcoin accounts
  86. 2014-12-13 19:20 Luke-Jr| ravi_: Bitcoin doesn't have accounts
  87. 2014-12-13 19:20 Luke-Jr| ravi_: to send bitcoins, you need a bitcoin wallet
  88. 2014-12-13 19:20 PRab| sirscrubsalot: For 60 dollars, I agree. If you get $1000+ then look back into armory. Its offline features are easier to use.
  89. 2014-12-13 19:20 Luke-Jr| to recieve bitcoins, you need a bitcoin wallet
  90. 2014-12-13 19:21 Anduck| Luke-Jr: well, does bitaddress.org generate these wrong kind of keys? electrum and bitcoin core etc do it in a different way? there are more things than just that the other one is js, others are "real" sw?
  91. 2014-12-13 19:21 ravi_| Is there any customer care bnumber?
  92. 2014-12-13 19:21 ravi_| number
  93. 2014-12-13 19:21 sirscrubsa| no it isn't... Luke-Jr , i was trying to search on this notion about QR codes and security... have there been any reports of concerns that should be noted with using QR codes? I know that at least when you do scan them to your mobile device let's say... to make sure the public addresses match up
  94. 2014-12-13 19:21 Anduck| ravi_: a lot of things will become clear after you check http://weusecoins.org/
  95. 2014-12-13 19:21 * | Citiizen871 (~Citiizen8@2a01:e35:2e72:1cf0:e5c5:5ca2:efb6:ca8a) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  96. 2014-12-13 19:21> Luke-Jr| Anduck: bitaddress.org ONLY generates ECDSA private keys
  97. 2014-12-13 19:21 * | JERE (~sskkzzcc@ltc56-3-78-213-8-117.fbx.proxad.net) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  98. 2014-12-13 19:22 Anduck| Luke-Jr: ohh.. what should they generate?
  99. 2014-12-13 19:22 sirscrubsa| or if you have the option to copy the address to clipboard or take the time to write down the code, is that better in that sense?
  100. 2014-12-13 19:22> Luke-Jr| Anduck: Bitcoin Core and Electrum are proper wallets, and don't expose humans to ECDSA private keys
  101. 2014-12-13 19:22 Anduck| are there some paper wallet sites which do it properly?
  102. 2014-12-13 19:22> Luke-Jr| Anduck: doubtful, considering nobody should ever be using a website
  103. 2014-12-13 19:22 Luke-Jr| you can't make a website secure for this
  104. 2014-12-13 19:22 sirscrubsa| so you all are saying DON'T use bitcoinaddress bip38 option?
  105. 2014-12-13 19:22 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: correct, do not use that
  106. 2014-12-13 19:22 PRab| ravi_: No there is no general "Bitcoin" customer care number. Specific services (coinbase, circle, etc.) might have customer care numbers for their service.
  107. 2014-12-13 19:23 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: use proper software, ideally on a secure OS, to generate a HD wallet seed
  108. 2014-12-13 19:23 Luke-Jr| ravi_: Bitcoin is not a corporation or service. Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer decentralised system.
  109. 2014-12-13 19:23 imposter| when do 4K wallets come out?
  110. 2014-12-13 19:23 sirscrubsa| @ Luke-Jr , do you have a link for further reading, preferably something from a credible and recent source about that? i saw some beginner youtube paper wallet 101 videos and that was the suggestion...
  111. 2014-12-13 19:23 imposter| lol
  112. 2014-12-13 19:24 Anduck| imposter: lol. hd = hierarchical deterministic
  113. 2014-12-13 19:24 * | MoALTz (~no@user-164-126-125-56.play-internet.pl) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  114. 2014-12-13 19:24 * | cryptobum (~Lingo@94.3.138.95) poistui (Syy: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  115. 2014-12-13 19:24 ravi_| I have all my clients in US ... They want to pay me to my paypal account or buy using Credit cards .. paypal is real pain in the ass ... So I am looking for alternative payment gateway
  116. 2014-12-13 19:24 imposter| sirscrubsalot look into electrum wallet
  117. 2014-12-13 19:24 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: not really, other than technical specifications
  118. 2014-12-13 19:24 * | cryptobum (~Lingo@94.3.138.95) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  119. 2014-12-13 19:24 Luke-Jr| ravi_: Bitcoin is not that.
  120. 2014-12-13 19:24 Anduck| Luke-Jr: well, about the bitaddress.org... does using it make ones bitcoins unsafe in real life?
  121. 2014-12-13 19:24 Luke-Jr| ravi_: Bitcoin is a currency like USD
  122. 2014-12-13 19:25 imposter| ravi_ coinbase or bitpay if you want to actually accept btc
  123. 2014-12-13 19:25 sirscrubsa| is having a dual boot OS on a laptop an option (e.g. install ubuntu on that) and never allow ubuntu connecting online? i guess the initial setup installation of ubuntu might require updates to their repository servers...
  124. 2014-12-13 19:25 PRab| ravi_: To use bitcoin, they would have to have bitcoin to pay you with. They cannot directly send USD to a bitcoin wallet.
  125. 2014-12-13 19:25> Luke-Jr| Anduck: yes
  126. 2014-12-13 19:25> imposter| anduck yes
  127. 2014-12-13 19:25 Anduck| ok
  128. 2014-12-13 19:25 * | kadoban (~mud@ip68-3-81-129.ph.ph.cox.net) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  129. 2014-12-13 19:25 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: Windows malware can always access the other partition
  130. 2014-12-13 19:25 sirscrubsa| oh okay Luke-Jr
  131. 2014-12-13 19:25 Anduck| have someones bitcoins been stolen when they've used such sites? or have there been reports?
  132. 2014-12-13 19:25 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: if you don't mind VMs, you could run Windows in a VM
  133. 2014-12-13 19:25 ravi_| anyone know any payment gate for me
  134. 2014-12-13 19:25> Luke-Jr| Anduck: lots
  135. 2014-12-13 19:25 Anduck| ravi_: where do you live?
  136. 2014-12-13 19:25 Anduck| Luke-Jr: source?
  137. 2014-12-13 19:26> Luke-Jr| Anduck: lmgtfy..
  138. 2014-12-13 19:26 sirscrubsa| what was the official/free authority for vm-ware?
  139. 2014-12-13 19:26> imposter| anduck yes
  140. 2014-12-13 19:26 ravi_| India
  141. 2014-12-13 19:26 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: I would recommend using free VM software like KVM
  142. 2014-12-13 19:26 imposter| see topic: brainwallet
  143. 2014-12-13 19:26 sirscrubsa| okay cool Luke-Jr ,
  144. 2014-12-13 19:26 PRab| sirscrubsalot: I like Virtualbox for running VMs.
  145. 2014-12-13 19:26 imposter| also those websites can be mitmed and bad JS code could be served
  146. 2014-12-13 19:26 * | boz (~boz@unaffiliated/boz) poistui (Syy: )
  147. 2014-12-13 19:26 Anduck| imposter: i don't talk about brainwallets.
  148. 2014-12-13 19:26 Anduck| imposter: yes yes but if it wasn't mitmed.
  149. 2014-12-13 19:26 Anduck| imposter: one can verify the source
  150. 2014-12-13 19:26> Luke-Jr| Anduck: Javascript has no secure random sources
  151. 2014-12-13 19:26 imposter| you'd have to review the source
  152. 2014-12-13 19:27 imposter| and trust js
  153. 2014-12-13 19:27 sirscrubsa| i mean, do you all keep some small btc amounts on your mobile device?
  154. 2014-12-13 19:27 imposter| lol
  155. 2014-12-13 19:27 Anduck| user input by moving mouse a lot and keyboard doesn't give enough entropy?
  156. 2014-12-13 19:27 PRab| Luke-Jr: That is not true in modern Javascript.
  157. 2014-12-13 19:27> Luke-Jr| Anduck: Javascript allows someone to define the Number type so 42+42 = 42
  158. 2014-12-13 19:27 Luke-Jr| PRab: it is in the spec
  159. 2014-12-13 19:27> imposter| anduck at that point youre better off using proper software
  160. 2014-12-13 19:27 ravi_| anyone
  161. 2014-12-13 19:27 Luke-Jr| so even if you look at the source, you could be missing subtle redefinitions of tyeps
  162. 2014-12-13 19:27 Sasha| Man
  163. 2014-12-13 19:27 sirscrubsa| with paper wallets, i guess there's no workaround to the change addresses being generated IF* one doesn't spend the entire total on that paper wallet huh?
  164. 2014-12-13 19:27 Sasha| Our miners got owned 3 times in a row
  165. 2014-12-13 19:27 * | Zoizz (ident@78.63.148.80) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  166. 2014-12-13 19:28 Anduck| imposter: yeah.. but has there been actual "my web-generated paper wallet got hacked"?
  167. 2014-12-13 19:28 imposter| yes
  168. 2014-12-13 19:28 Anduck| and i mean due to the weak randomness/ ecdsa keys / bad js?
  169. 2014-12-13 19:28 imposter| wait ill link yo uthe transaction
  170. 2014-12-13 19:28 Anduck| well, could you give me a source for that?
  171. 2014-12-13 19:28 sirscrubsa| and with that new change address, I would need to copy that and make another paper wallet to make sure those unused btc's are on there?
  172. 2014-12-13 19:28 * | artist (~artist@HSI-KBW-095-208-248-199.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  173. 2014-12-13 19:28 * | ktechmidas (~monotoko@188.165.177.1) poistui (Syy: Quit: Lost terminal)
  174. 2014-12-13 19:28 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: if you need to worry about change addresses, you are not talking about a paper wallet
  175. 2014-12-13 19:28 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: 99.99% of people talking about paper wallets online are clueless n00bs
  176. 2014-12-13 19:29 Anduck| well, for some reason bitcoin wiki says bitaddress.org for example is proper way to make paper wallets.
  177. 2014-12-13 19:29> imposter| anduck: https://blockchain.info/tx/9e95fd443621d3d9fc150f290144401feb1627573c9161beb08edb472069a819
  178. 2014-12-13 19:29 piqure| ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
  179. 2014-12-13 19:29> Luke-Jr| Anduck: wtf
  180. 2014-12-13 19:29 Luke-Jr| link? I'll fix it.
  181. 2014-12-13 19:29 * | Zoizz (ident@78.63.148.80) lähti kanavalta #bitcoin
  182. 2014-12-13 19:29 Anduck| https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Paper_wallet
  183. 2014-12-13 19:29 imposter| vanity gen web wallet comrpomised
  184. 2014-12-13 19:29 Anduck| at "Producing safe paper wallets" it says "Several tools exist for producing paper wallets, including"
  185. 2014-12-13 19:29 Luke-Jr| omg
  186. 2014-12-13 19:29 Luke-Jr| that entire page is wrong
  187. 2014-12-13 19:29 imposter| oh wait you meant actual weak implementations?
  188. 2014-12-13 19:30 Anduck| well, Luke-Jr ,before editing it all, _please_ write very describing text with real reasons why it's wrong
  189. 2014-12-13 19:30 * | spiftheninja (~minermast@unaffiliated/spiftheninja) poistui (Syy: Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  190. 2014-12-13 19:30> imposter| Anduck: blockchain.info fucked up pretty majorly a couple of days ago, 250 BTC got stolen
  191. 2014-12-13 19:30 Anduck| i really like to know if it's a real threat or not
  192. 2014-12-13 19:30 sirscrubsa| ah i came across that webpage... just because it's one of the few seo results from paper wallet btc search
  193. 2014-12-13 19:30 Anduck| imposter: i know, it's not related to this one
  194. 2014-12-13 19:30 buZz| imposter: twice in a week's time iirc
  195. 2014-12-13 19:31 Anduck| imposter: this one is about whether making paper wallets with some web page (js) which you've verified to be legit, is safe
  196. 2014-12-13 19:31 hasha| Luke-Jr: im joining this convo late, what -exactly- is wrong with a proper generated offline paper wallet pls?
  197. 2014-12-13 19:31 sirscrubsa| okay Luke-Jr , this is why i was hessitant to doing anything yet, because even on reddit bitcoin, there is this talk about changeaddresses and paper wallets and how like nobody knows or understands how to use them or what happens...
  198. 2014-12-13 19:31 imposter| why would you make a paper wallet with web page js in the first place?
  199. 2014-12-13 19:31 imposter| you can generate the priv key offline
  200. 2014-12-13 19:32 * | xMopxShell (~xMopxShel@davepedu.com) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  201. 2014-12-13 19:32 imposter| create a random paper wallet online
  202. 2014-12-13 19:32 imposter| replace the qr code in photoshop
  203. 2014-12-13 19:32 sirscrubsa| thanks for that coinmap link, very cool and found some places that take the btc's... neat
  204. 2014-12-13 19:32 Luke-Jr| hasha: nothing, but that isn't a single ECDSA key
  205. 2014-12-13 19:32 imposter| or you can trust their JS implementation
  206. 2014-12-13 19:32 Anduck| imposter: heh, not bad idea! =D
  207. 2014-12-13 19:32 imposter| and maybe get your coins stolen a couple of years from now
  208. 2014-12-13 19:32 hasha| imposter: you are talking about a fully online web-based generation, currect?
  209. 2014-12-13 19:32 hasha| correct
  210. 2014-12-13 19:32 sirscrubsa| @ PRab , the coinmap is great :)
  211. 2014-12-13 19:33 * | blazeme8 (~blazeme8@davepedu.com) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  212. 2014-12-13 19:33 PRab| sirscrubsalot: Agreed.
  213. 2014-12-13 19:33> imposter| Anduck AS LONG AS YOU DONT GENERATE THE QR ADDRESS ONLINE :D
  214. 2014-12-13 19:33 Anduck| heh
  215. 2014-12-13 19:33 imposter| would be an easy mistake to make hehe
  216. 2014-12-13 19:33 * | martyj-o (~martyj-o@gateway/tor-sasl/martyj-o) poistui (Syy: Remote host closed the connection)
  217. 2014-12-13 19:33 Anduck| looks like making long-term paper wallets isn't that easy at all
  218. 2014-12-13 19:33 * | KBomba (~Bombadil@unaffiliated/kbomba) poistui (Syy: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0/20141125180439])
  219. 2014-12-13 19:33 Anduck| lots of stuff to remember and do carefully
  220. 2014-12-13 19:34 imposter| i actually wonder how many private keys with possible balance are put in online qr code generators
  221. 2014-12-13 19:34 imposter| positive balance*
  222. 2014-12-13 19:34 imposter| brb launching qr code generator website
  223. 2014-12-13 19:34 Anduck| but anyway, thanks Luke-Jr for pointing out the problems with those paper wallet sites. appreciated as always :)
  224. 2014-12-13 19:34 * | lassdas (~steuerfah@xdsl-213-168-106-127.netcologne.de) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  225. 2014-12-13 19:34 Anduck| imposter: heh, "turn your private key into a qr code with this cool php script!!"
  226. 2014-12-13 19:35 * | twistedline (~twistedli@68.48.53.42) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  227. 2014-12-13 19:35> PRab| Anduck: 99.9 pecent of the time it just works using bitaddress.org. Luke-Jr is (IMO) pointing out theoretical problems.
  228. 2014-12-13 19:35 * | lassdas (~steuerfah@xdsl-213-168-106-127.netcologne.de) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  229. 2014-12-13 19:35 Anduck| i know but those theoretical problems may be actual problems some day
  230. 2014-12-13 19:35 * | spiftheninja (~minermast@209.252.172.71) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  231. 2014-12-13 19:35 * | spiftheninja (~minermast@209.252.172.71) poistui (Syy: Changing host)
  232. 2014-12-13 19:35 * | spiftheninja (~minermast@unaffiliated/spiftheninja) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  233. 2014-12-13 19:36> imposter| No Anduck this is how you do it: don't mention bitcoin on your website at all, go on forums and shill to the maxx
  234. 2014-12-13 19:36 PRab| Yep, which is why is good to know about them (at least in the back of your head)
  235. 2014-12-13 19:36 imposter| "this site is great for generating your paper wallet qr code guize"
  236. 2014-12-13 19:36 * | RayMcKidney (~RayMcKidn@c122-106-161-33.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  237. 2014-12-13 19:36 sirscrubsa| @ PRab , i guess I'll keep the small change on the wallet... surprised with the results... especially the food ones
  238. 2014-12-13 19:37 PRab| sirscrubsalot: Thats what I do. I have an iPhone so use breadwallet with ~$100 worth of bitcoin.
  239. 2014-12-13 19:37 sirscrubsa| right now, i'm just practicing with these small amounts and just putting little cash on the few btc atm's around....
  240. 2014-12-13 19:37 sirscrubsa| from localbitcoins website
  241. 2014-12-13 19:38 sirscrubsa| is breadwallet the best for ios? i have a friend who may be interested, but i have no 1sthand experience w/ ios products
  242. 2014-12-13 19:38 imposter| people rave about it
  243. 2014-12-13 19:38 PRab| sirscrubsalot: IMO, yes. It is easy to use, and follows most of the security best practices.
  244. 2014-12-13 19:39 sirscrubsa| were there any main security things to consider w/ iOS? [apart from being somewhat mindful of what apps you install, setting up pins, writing your passphrase - i take that breadwallet also generates a master seed like mycelium for android maybe?]
  245. 2014-12-13 19:39 * | NewLiberty (~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:2077:6f5b:b107:1ac1) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  246. 2014-12-13 19:39 sirscrubsa| i meant securty-wise on iOS, were there any services to turn off/disable?
  247. 2014-12-13 19:40 * | ravi_ (b64458ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.68.88.173) poistui (Syy: Quit: Page closed)
  248. 2014-12-13 19:40 PRab| sirscrubsalot: No, it is secure out of the box.
  249. 2014-12-13 19:40 PRab| I guess you can get a dedicated iOS device and keep it in airplane mode except when you are doing transactions if you are paranoid.
  250. 2014-12-13 19:41 PRab| Don't run breadwallet on a jailbroken device.
  251. 2014-12-13 19:41 sirscrubsa| ok PRab , as new to the btc and with very minimal knowledge on the topic.... my friend would be a bit lower than that :P, no offense to them though
  252. 2014-12-13 19:41 * | Populus (~Populus@unaffiliated/populus) poistui (Syy: Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  253. 2014-12-13 19:41 * | Dagger (~dagger@sawako.haruhi.eu) poistui (Syy: Excess Flood)
  254. 2014-12-13 19:42 sirscrubsa| @ PRab , re: jailbroken... is that because of you allowing the option to install things with potential uncertainty from 3rd-party non-itunes sites [even there though , just like on android google play stores, you always have to watch out what you install]
  255. 2014-12-13 19:43 * | Dagger2 (~dagger@sawako.haruhi.eu) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  256. 2014-12-13 19:43 sirscrubsa| when you mentioned jailbroken, i wonder if those concerns transfer over to android communities who have unlocked bootloaders/root enabled... i guess you'd have to be weary of custom roms....
  257. 2014-12-13 19:43 PRab| sirscrubsalot: Correct, apple sandboxes apps in the appstore, but jailbreaking lets you bypass that.
  258. 2014-12-13 19:43 * | remot3_ (~remot3@106.Red-81-33-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) poistui (Syy: Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  259. 2014-12-13 19:43 * | remot3_ (~remot3@106.Red-81-33-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  260. 2014-12-13 19:43 PRab| A rogue app could reach into breadwallets sandbox on a jailbroken device.
  261. 2014-12-13 19:44 PRab| Yes, if an app has root privileges on android, there is the same concern.
  262. 2014-12-13 19:44 sirscrubsa| does anyone know offhand if there are applications for old windows mobile devices? i wonder... i just have an old htc touch pro 2 windows mobile from about 5 years ago...
  263. 2014-12-13 19:45 * | KBomba (~Bombadil@unaffiliated/kbomba) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  264. 2014-12-13 19:45 sirscrubsa| yeah i have root on my android but only have a few root apps which are fairly well used... and one adaway blocker from the open-source f-droid community
  265. 2014-12-13 19:45 * | Guest94202__ (uid49748@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtdoljvoylxuqhxr) poistui (Syy: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
  266. 2014-12-13 19:45 * | Diablo-D3 (~diablo@exelion.net) poistui (Syy: Quit: do coders dream of sheep()?)
  267. 2014-12-13 19:46 * | Diablo-D3 (~diablo@exelion.net) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  268. 2014-12-13 19:46 sirscrubsa| i'm curious, how long did it take some of you to fully appreciate and be comfortable with bitcoin? i'm in a non-computer related tech field [health care]
  269. 2014-12-13 19:47 * | genediazjr (~genediazj@180.191.100.241) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  270. 2014-12-13 19:47 sirscrubsa| i meant, i'm not*
  271. 2014-12-13 19:47 PRab| I'm a geek and computer programer, so maybe 2-3 weeks to fully understand it.
  272. 2014-12-13 19:47 PRab| That was about 2 years ago.
  273. 2014-12-13 19:48 sirscrubsa| and what about your non-geek/programmer friends? any overview on how long it took them? or perhaps, spouses ?
  274. 2014-12-13 19:48 sirscrubsa| in unrelated fields ^
  275. 2014-12-13 19:48 * | baldpope (~baldpope@rrcs-98-103-54-162.central.biz.rr.com) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  276. 2014-12-13 19:49 PRab| I don't directly know anybody that I could say undersands bitcoin 100%.
  277. 2014-12-13 19:49 * | nukk (~nukk@gateway/tor-sasl/nukk) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  278. 2014-12-13 19:49 * | baldpope (~baldpope@rrcs-98-103-54-162.central.biz.rr.com) poistui (Syy: Changing host)
  279. 2014-12-13 19:49 * | baldpope (~baldpope@unaffiliated/baldpope) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  280. 2014-12-13 19:49 PRab| (Other than my dad who is also a programmer)
  281. 2014-12-13 19:49 nukk| afternoon folks.
  282. 2014-12-13 19:49 sirscrubsa| one of the challenges i face, is the sheer volume of changing information, especially when visiting let's say the btc reddit channel... it's so difficult to keep tabs of that if you're not visiting/reading about things frequently
  283. 2014-12-13 19:50 * | rav3n_pl (~rav3n_pl@91.235.254.37) poistui (Syy: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
  284. 2014-12-13 19:50 * | Populus (~Populus@81-225-73-162-no48.tbcn.telia.com) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  285. 2014-12-13 19:50 * | Populus (~Populus@81-225-73-162-no48.tbcn.telia.com) poistui (Syy: Changing host)
  286. 2014-12-13 19:50 * | Populus (~Populus@unaffiliated/populus) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  287. 2014-12-13 19:50 sirscrubsa| that was why i never got into the custom rom scene over at xda... you pretty much have to follow-up on all sorts of posts....
  288. 2014-12-13 19:50 PRab| sirscrubsalot: To me the hardest thing is explaining theoretical weaknesses vs practical weaknesses.
  289. 2014-12-13 19:50 imposter| r/bitcoin is pretty shitty imo
  290. 2014-12-13 19:51 * | Anthony1s (~Anthony1s@c-174-54-127-93.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) poistui (Syy: Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  291. 2014-12-13 19:51 nukk| sirscrubsalot, came in late here - but your'e talking about keeping up with miners? unless you're completely OCD and dedicate every minute of your day to it, you can't keep up. because there's always someone else who IS dedicating more time and effort than you are.
  292. 2014-12-13 19:51 imposter| its mostly a circlejerk, not the best place to keep up to date on technical aspects
  293. 2014-12-13 19:51 sirscrubsa| what's the best news source and maybe forum community alternative to check in mind...
  294. 2014-12-13 19:51 * | Anthony1s (~Anthony1s@c-174-54-127-93.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  295. 2014-12-13 19:51 PRab| bitcointalk.org is pretty good. Or just hang out here.
  296. 2014-12-13 19:51 * | Syolaar (~tyux@MTRLPQ4706W-LP130-01-1176237043.dsl.bell.ca) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  297. 2014-12-13 19:52 sirscrubsa| <sirscrubsalot> i'm curious, how long did it take some of you to fully appreciate and be comfortable with bitcoin? i'm NOT* in a non-computer/tech-related field [health care]
  298. 2014-12-13 19:52 * | genediazjr (~genediazj@180.191.100.241) poistui (Syy: Remote host closed the connection)
  299. 2014-12-13 19:52 nukk| *wonders if ssalot is talking to hirself* :)
  300. 2014-12-13 19:52 sirscrubsa| @ nukk ^^, no, just planning to be a btc end-user who just wants to have the convenience of alternative spending methods
  301. 2014-12-13 19:52 nukk| *nod* then we're in the same boat.
  302. 2014-12-13 19:53 Luke-Jr| sigh, so much bad advice on paper wallets got into the wiki :<
  303. 2014-12-13 19:53 Luke-Jr| think I got the main culprits fixed now
  304. 2014-12-13 19:53 sirscrubsa| so that .it wiki isn't good huh Luke-Jr ?
  305. 2014-12-13 19:53 smk| nice
  306. 2014-12-13 19:53 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: it's only as good as people editing it..
  307. 2014-12-13 19:53 * | dbasch (~dbasch@104.220.66.23) poistui (Syy: Quit: dbasch)
  308. 2014-12-13 19:53 sirscrubsa| it keeps coming up on the top search results via google
  309. 2014-12-13 19:53 nukk| i'm.. learning to function in the alternative (hesitate to use the words darknet) world. i don't... like being watched. not doing anything illegal, just... don't like the way things are going.
  310. 2014-12-13 19:53 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: it's much better now than it was a day ago
  311. 2014-12-13 19:53 sirscrubsa| oh so it's constantly being edited/corrected in that sense?
  312. 2014-12-13 19:54 Luke-Jr| yes, it's a wiki..
  313. 2014-12-13 19:54 * | btcctf (~btcctf@128.199.245.60) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  314. 2014-12-13 19:54 * | btcctf (~btcctf@128.199.245.60) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  315. 2014-12-13 19:54 Luke-Jr| anyone can edit it, and people constantly are
  316. 2014-12-13 19:54 nukk| so, here's best / most asked question evuh. i had a wallet on my mac ages ago, but never moved anything into it. now i'm doing everything on a secure linux laptop - ubuntu. any suggestions for Bestest / easiest to use / least "ZOMG SOMEONE GET A UX PERSON IN HERE" btc wallet for linux?
  317. 2014-12-13 19:54 * | humber (~r@unaffiliated/humber) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  318. 2014-12-13 19:54 * | humber (~r@unaffiliated/humber) lähti kanavalta #bitcoin
  319. 2014-12-13 19:55 * | pi- (~Ohmu@cpc69129-oxfd25-2-0-cust987.4-3.cable.virginm.net) poistui (Syy: Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  320. 2014-12-13 19:55 sirscrubsa| @ PRab or @ anyone, is there a dedicated news/blog site to check out alongside bitcointalk.org? [i'm sure the forum itself has a dedicated news feed topic section too]
  321. 2014-12-13 19:56 * | pi- (~Ohmu@cpc69129-oxfd25-2-0-cust987.4-3.cable.virginm.net) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  322. 2014-12-13 19:57 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: http://bitcointroll.org/ is not really a good source of information..
  323. 2014-12-13 19:57 piqure| ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
  324. 2014-12-13 19:57 * | Syolaar (~tyux@MTRLPQ4706W-LP130-01-1176237043.dsl.bell.ca) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  325. 2014-12-13 19:57 Luke-Jr| bitcointalk.org *
  326. 2014-12-13 19:57 * | jweiss (~jweiss@cpe-098-122-148-241.nc.res.rr.com) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  327. 2014-12-13 19:58 nukk| man folks are harsh on URL-drops. (probably deservedly so)
  328. 2014-12-13 19:58 sirscrubsa| well i don't know if i want any news coming from words like "troll" within the domain name :P
  329. 2014-12-13 19:58 * | jweiss (~jweiss@cpe-098-122-148-241.nc.res.rr.com) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  330. 2014-12-13 19:58 * | solo_ (027e2ec9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.126.46.201) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  331. 2014-12-13 19:58 nukk| heh.
  332. 2014-12-13 19:58 sirscrubsa| but then again, it's all subjective
  333. 2014-12-13 19:59 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: bitcointalk = trolls
  334. 2014-12-13 19:59 imposter| bitcointalk = scammers
  335. 2014-12-13 19:59 imposter| and naive people
  336. 2014-12-13 19:59 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: due to lack of moderation, most sensible people left it years ago
  337. 2014-12-13 19:59 PRab| nukk: Ubuntu is still pretty good/easy to use.
  338. 2014-12-13 19:59 imposter| thats 99% of the users
  339. 2014-12-13 19:59 * | solo_ (027e2ec9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.126.46.201) lähti kanavalta #bitcoin
  340. 2014-12-13 19:59 Luke-Jr| outside of a few select self-moderated threads, anyway
  341. 2014-12-13 19:59 nukk| prab: sorry, maybe i was unclear. i'm very very comfortable in linux. mostly looking for a wallet app to use.
  342. 2014-12-13 19:59 sirscrubsa| yeah, i'm very weary of reading posts.... especially the new registrations and very very low post counts, lots of bots and all kinds of things... over the years, i've been able to sift through relying on forum info
  343. 2014-12-13 19:59 * | Apexseals (~Apexseals@99-177-148-62.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) poistui (Syy: )
  344. 2014-12-13 20:00 PRab| nukk: Ah, then probably electrum or armory.
  345. 2014-12-13 20:00 Luke-Jr| nukk: I like Bitcoin Core's UI
  346. 2014-12-13 20:00 nukk| on that note (re: threads). i'm super-tired of reading PHPbb posts... anywhere. irritated that it has become THE forum software. *ptui*
  347. 2014-12-13 20:00 imposter| sirscrubsalot: people sell old btctalk accounts
  348. 2014-12-13 20:00 sirscrubsa| but that's not to exlude that high post counts are always trustworthy, but at least better than someone offering a new deal/website/service
  349. 2014-12-13 20:00 nukk| prab / Luke-Jr - okay, thanks.
  350. 2014-12-13 20:00 PRab| If Bitcoin core would implement bip 32, then I would recommend it.
  351. 2014-12-13 20:00 sirscrubsa| yeah imposter , just like on reddit in that sense and elsewhere
  352. 2014-12-13 20:01 imposter| where can I buy reddit shill accounts?
  353. 2014-12-13 20:01 Luke-Jr| PRab: neither Electrum nor Armory do, AFAIK
  354. 2014-12-13 20:01 imposter| lmao
  355. 2014-12-13 20:01 nukk| prab: okay, here's my naivity coming in. bip32?
  356. 2014-12-13 20:01 PRab| Luke-Jr: I guess I should have said deterministic wallets in general.
  357. 2014-12-13 20:01 * | grau (~grau@37.143.74.116) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  358. 2014-12-13 20:01 sirscrubsa| sigh, lol... so no real bitcoin news site? :P
  359. 2014-12-13 20:01 * | genediazjr (~genediazj@180.191.100.241) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  360. 2014-12-13 20:01 Luke-Jr| nukk: the standard specification for HD wallets
  361. 2014-12-13 20:02 PRab| nukk: Basically, it is a deterministic wallet. You make one backup then can generate an unlimited number of addresses.
  362. 2014-12-13 20:02 Luke-Jr| BIP 32 is basically a prerequisite for offline/paper wallets and multisig wallets
  363. 2014-12-13 20:02 sirscrubsa| how identifiable to your identity are derministic wallets if you are using cash to fill it?
  364. 2014-12-13 20:02 * | spydeee (~spydee@206-248-131-45.dsl.teksavvy.com) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  365. 2014-12-13 20:03 sirscrubsa| cash from a btc atm that doesn't require verification* i've been using the skyhook atms
  366. 2014-12-13 20:03 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: there's no relationship between the generated addresses unless you expose your public seed
  367. 2014-12-13 20:03 nukk| oh interesting. does taht fix the 'transactions are traceable' problem, because transactions will all come from the same wallet? (again, sorry if this is sounding naive.)
  368. 2014-12-13 20:03 * | williamcotton (~williamco@c-24-5-80-236.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  369. 2014-12-13 20:03 PRab| sirscrubsalot: Each address looks independant, but you wallet might join them together when you spend.
  370. 2014-12-13 20:03 Luke-Jr| PRab: when you spend, you're not using addresses at all
  371. 2014-12-13 20:03 nukk| currently reading: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0032
  372. 2014-12-13 20:03 piqure| ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
  373. 2014-12-13 20:04 sirscrubsa| and the only identification from skyhook, was email to enter for a receipt, but you can bypass that on checkout and not have to enter anything
  374. 2014-12-13 20:04 Luke-Jr| nukk: Bitcoin transactions are inherently tracable
  375. 2014-12-13 20:04 hexafracti| I've been trying to get friends to begin using Bitcoin. Other than acting as a human faucet to encourage them, what other good incentives are there?
  376. 2014-12-13 20:04 nukk| luke: this understand (YES! i know something! i feel so... something)
  377. 2014-12-13 20:04 sirscrubsa| @ Luke-Jr , by public seed, that's not your public address which pretty much has to be used for any transaction/payment...
  378. 2014-12-13 20:04 PRab| Luke-Jr: I know you are technically correct, but frankly I don't care about that level of detail.
  379. 2014-12-13 20:04 sirscrubsa| @ Luke-Jr , and i don't think you meant your master seed phrase either
  380. 2014-12-13 20:05 * | zolk_eri (~albert@196.41.9.26) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  381. 2014-12-13 20:05 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: you use an address once ever, for a single payment. public seed is something else which allows you to watch (but not spend from) your entire wallet
  382. 2014-12-13 20:05 zolk_eri| :L
  383. 2014-12-13 20:05 zolk_eri| :@@@@L
  384. 2014-12-13 20:05 zolk_eri| ;@@@@@@@8
  385. 2014-12-13 20:05 zolk_eri| :@@@@@@@8
  386. 2014-12-13 20:05 zolk_eri| ;@@@@@@@8 .@C
  387. 2014-12-13 20:05 Luke-Jr| !ops
  388. 2014-12-13 20:05 zolk_eri| :@@@@@@@0 .@@@@@L..
  389. 2014-12-13 20:05 zolk_eri| G@@@@@@8. .@@@@@@@@@L
  390. 2014-12-13 20:05 zolk_eri| 0@@@@@@8 .@@@@@@@@@@@@@L .
  391. 2014-12-13 20:05 * | shingshang (~shingshan@115-64-27-246.static.tpgi.com.au) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  392. 2014-12-13 20:05 * | gribble jakoi oikeuksia kanavalla #bitcoin (+b *!*@196.41.9.26)
  393. 2014-12-13 20:05 * | zolk_eri () was kicked from #bitcoin by gribble (zolk_eri)
  394. 2014-12-13 20:05 nukk| ung.
  395. 2014-12-13 20:05 * | Acook3 (~Thunderbi@190.22.192.214) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  396. 2014-12-13 20:05 * | CaptainKirk (515372ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.83.114.173) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  397. 2014-12-13 20:05 sirscrubsa| oh okay thanks for that Luke-Jr , i think i've briefly read about this, for watching paper wallets... at least in one application example
  398. 2014-12-13 20:05 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: basically, your public seed is what you'd have on your online computer
  399. 2014-12-13 20:05 * | Acook3 (~Thunderbi@190.22.192.214) poistui (Syy: Client Quit)
  400. 2014-12-13 20:06 * | grau (~grau@37.143.74.116) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  401. 2014-12-13 20:06 imposter| no one else can get the public master key right?
  402. 2014-12-13 20:06 nukk| so do any of the linux wallets support bip 32? it seems like its' mostly useful when using a wallet on multiple machines (i don't plan on doing that)
  403. 2014-12-13 20:06 * | el3k0n (~el3k0n@ppp-178-114.24-151.libero.it) poistui (Syy: Quit: Sto andando via)
  404. 2014-12-13 20:06 sirscrubsa| i was more concerned in how i've been purchasing with cash at these btc atms and then spending let's say locally, would my mobile # ever be exposed, or type of carrier used/etc... unless at time of payment, i actually enter or give that info manually
  405. 2014-12-13 20:07 * | louisw1 (~xxx@23.239.116.122) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  406. 2014-12-13 20:07 PRab| sirscrubsalot: No
  407. 2014-12-13 20:07 Luke-Jr| nukk: not yet afaik; maybe Trezor's Electrum
  408. 2014-12-13 20:07 * | louisw (~xxx@113.99.6.205) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  409. 2014-12-13 20:07 imposter| sirscrubsalot: unless your wallet connects to a server that logs your IP address
  410. 2014-12-13 20:07 nukk| okay, i'll not focus on it for now then. i'll set up some basics and run with that.
  411. 2014-12-13 20:07 imposter| like mycelium could theoretically do that
  412. 2014-12-13 20:07 PRab| sirscrubsalot: The worst that could happen is that the person that you send bitcoin to would know how many total bitcoin you have.
  413. 2014-12-13 20:08 sirscrubsa| i don't think the skyhook btc atm takes your photo... although i did see on a youtube demo, it had the option... the ones i've visited, do show your body/face when approaching the machine, but that's for the QR scanner to pick up your device
  414. 2014-12-13 20:08 imposter| associate your IP with your addresses
  415. 2014-12-13 20:08 * | green-big-frog (Elite12225@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zponbskypbvucwah) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  416. 2014-12-13 20:08 * | Populus (~Populus@unaffiliated/populus) poistui (Syy: Remote host closed the connection)
  417. 2014-12-13 20:09 sirscrubsa| imposter, i heard about that.... i know your ip's change [states] if you are on a mobile carrier, connected to their network... at home or private personal wifi, then you'd have to be more weary...
  418. 2014-12-13 20:09 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: note that all wallets except for Bitcoin Core and Armory, expose your entire wallet in a read-only fashon to random peers
  419. 2014-12-13 20:09 Luke-Jr| out of necessity
  420. 2014-12-13 20:09 Luke-Jr| so whenever they connect to a peer they basically say "here is a full list of all the addresses in my wallet"
  421. 2014-12-13 20:10 PRab| Luke-Jr: I though most used a bloom filter, so they actually give out a superset of addresses.
  422. 2014-12-13 20:10 * | Citiizen871 (~Citiizen8@2a01:e35:2e72:1cf0:7127:4d5f:4ba3:2ec6) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  423. 2014-12-13 20:10 Luke-Jr| PRab: some do, but that's not technically much better
  424. 2014-12-13 20:10 sirscrubsa| i have a vpn service [private internet access] but that's connected to my physical laptop... but on my mobile connected to my wifi, that reveals my regular isp service ip, hehe... which does have the mycellium wallet on it... there is an option to use the vpn service onto the device which i'll have to look into.
  425. 2014-12-13 20:10 Luke-Jr| PRab: Electrum actually sends every address individually
  426. 2014-12-13 20:10 PRab| good to know.
  427. 2014-12-13 20:11 * | KillaZA (KillaZA@105.210.39.77) poistui (Syy: Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  428. 2014-12-13 20:11 sirscrubsa| <PRab> sirscrubsalot: The worst that could happen is that the person that you send bitcoin to would know how many total bitcoin you have.
  429. 2014-12-13 20:11 Luke-Jr| Electrum's protocol is actually super-ugly
  430. 2014-12-13 20:11 sirscrubsa| ^^ PRab . how does that happen?
  431. 2014-12-13 20:11 sirscrubsa| meaning, physically looking at your device?
  432. 2014-12-13 20:11 Luke-Jr| sirscrubsalot: like I just said, except for Armory and BCCore, every wallet tells their peers
  433. 2014-12-13 20:11 green-big-| hi
  434. 2014-12-13 20:11 green-big-| does someone want to lend me 0.002 BTC? i will pay back at least 0.001 BTC and max. 0.003 BTC...
  435. 2014-12-13 20:11 green-big-| why should i pay back? because i am using nickserv!
  436. 2014-12-13 20:11 * | KillaZA (KillaZA@105.210.41.245) saapui kanavalle #bitcoin
  437. 2014-12-13 20:11 nukk| sirscrubsalot, what vpn service do you use? i'm considering doing vpn or proxy because i'd rather my ISP see SSH / vpn traffic than tor traffic. less suspicious.
  438. 2014-12-13 20:11 Luke-Jr| !ops
  439. 2014-12-13 20:11 * | gribble jakoi oikeuksia kanavalla #bitcoin (+b *!*@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zponbskypbvucwah)
  440. 2014-12-13 20:11 * | green-big-frog () was kicked from #bitcoin by gribble (green-big-frog)
  441. 2014-12-13 20:12 sirscrubsa| oh Luke-Jr , i may have misunderstood what you meant by that...
  442. 2014-12-13 20:12 nukk| wow does that happen a lot? (folks trading like that on here?)
  443. 2014-12-13 20:12 nukk| and... i dn't even get what he was trying to do. :)
  444. 2014-12-13 20:12 Luke-Jr| nukk: when there's 1,220 people here, it's tempting to beggers :/
  445. 2014-12-13 20:13 nukk| apparently. i love this world.
  446. 2014-12-13 20:13 * | spiftheninja (~minermast@unaffiliated/spiftheninja) poistui (Syy: Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  447. 2014-12-13 20:13 BB-Martino| nukk: use a relay?
  448. 2014-12-13 20:13 PRab| (Luke-JR I'm simplifying) sirscrubsalot: If you have 1 btc in address "A" and 1 btc in address "B" and want to send 1.1 btc to address "C", you have to send the entire 2 bitcoin out on the network, but you return .9 btc to yourself.
  449. 2014-12-13 20:13 Luke-Jr| nukk: bet he was going to gamble with it
  450. 2014-12-13 20:13 sirscrubsa| @ nukk , in the u.s. and i've been using private internet access for more than 1+ years, almost 2 years now.... it's relatively cheap $35-40usd depending on any promotions per year... works great, minimal setup... pretty much install on windows, connect to your location of choice and you're good to go... speeds for me on cable isp, are nearly comparable to not being connected on vpn
  451. 2014-12-13 20:13 * | rdymac (uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iqbgddlmxfvhtueh) poistui (Syy: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
  452. 2014-12-13 20:13 nukk| BB-Martino, *nod* its just a matter of which one. googling "HOW DO I ANONYMOUSLY SURF THE WEB WITHOUT MY ISP NOTICING" - is exactly what i'm trying NOT to do :)
  453. 2014-12-13 20:13 Luke-Jr| PRab: it's a bad simplification
  454. 2014-12-13 20:13 Luke-Jr| because addresses don't hold bitcoins
  455. 2014-12-13 20:13 PRab| Luke-Jr: Its good enough to get the point across.
  456. 2014-12-13 20:14 Luke-Jr| PRab: but it gives them a total misunderstanding of how bitcoin works
  457. 2014-12-13 20:14 nukk| sirscrubsalot, mmm, which vpn provider? $30-$40/yr sounds worthwhile. payable in BTC i assume.
  458. 2014-12-13 20:14 PRab| Most people don't care how bitcoin works, they care how they can/should use it.
  459. 2014-12-13 20:14 Luke-Jr| PRab: then they don't need to worry about those details at all
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