[1:10 PM] Celirra: ootc outside of beach discord is allowed right
[1:10 PM] Hakulyte: I believe so, lemme double check op
[1:11 PM] Hakulyte: it just says ootc: on
[1:11 PM] Celirra: ok cool
[1:11 PM] Hakulyte: oh we even have night talk: on
[1:11 PM] Celirra: so in my mind you're towny right now so I think I want you to help me with a favour if you dont mind
[1:11 PM] Celirra: re: allainces
[1:12 PM] Celirra: I've kinda recognized that having one wolf in a voting allaince is actually not the end of the world worst case (arguably beneficial to discover the wolf), but I think it's in best interest to track down towny people and work with them as much as possible
[1:12 PM] Hakulyte: I tend to pair you with wv, but I haven't 100% figured your slot yet duh
[1:12 PM] Celirra: admittedly I dont think jrod is lock town
[1:13 PM] Celirra: but I havent played with him before so
[1:13 PM] Hakulyte: objectively speaking, he's sketchy with the high score thing and thoughts overall, but it could go either based on how he plays
[1:13 PM] Celirra: It's the high score thing + the whole knowing there were 4 from the signups thread
[1:13 PM] Celirra: it left a bad taste in my mouth, even if it was a slip of the tongue
[1:14 PM] Hakulyte: well, him wanting 1-shot vigi is awkward
[1:14 PM] Hakulyte: I mean, proclaiming in the thread he wants it
[1:14 PM] Celirra: That's why me not knowing his style is a bit dangerous
[1:15 PM] Hakulyte: he can do big plays
[1:15 PM] Celirra: I could see a Xiz-like doing that kind of thing
[1:15 PM] Hakulyte: town read neee really quick too
[1:15 PM] Hakulyte: I played neee before and that guy is good at fooling around too
[1:16 PM] Hakulyte: I couldn't convince my team to lynch him at all
[1:16 PM] Celirra: I dont think neee+jrod is indicitive yet
[1:16 PM] Celirra: keep it in mind by day 3 or so
[1:16 PM] Hakulyte: yeah, I'm just telling you what I think atm
[1:16 PM] Hakulyte: will probably change multiple times by the end of the day
[1:16 PM] Celirra: Anyways I dont like soundwave for reason solely of him joining the discord then leaving
[1:17 PM] Hakulyte: soundwave didnt post in the thread yet
[1:17 PM] Celirra: like I could see him intending to join wolfchat but accidentally joining that one
[1:17 PM] Celirra: he was in the discord at the very start
[1:17 PM] Hakulyte: hmm
[1:17 PM] Celirra:

[1:17 PM] Hakulyte: that game was created super late in the night and he's usually online around that time
[1:18 PM] Celirra: But that doesnt explain why he left the discord
[1:18 PM] Celirra:

[1:18 PM] Hakulyte: yeah, you or someone (hi) would have to ask him about that
[1:18 PM] Celirra: fairly shortly after too
[1:18 PM] Celirra: I brought it up in the thread
[1:18 PM] Celirra: we'll have to see
[1:18 PM] Celirra: anyways that aside even I wouldnt trust him for allaince anyways based on his track record
[1:18 PM] Hakulyte: im expecting a "I don't care about the tribes, merge will happen" etc.
[1:19 PM] Celirra: pretty much yeah
[1:19 PM] Hakulyte: should still have been here to lurk kinda
[1:19 PM] Celirra: Charu is our other one potentially
[1:19 PM] Celirra: if thread is accurate at all
[1:20 PM] Celirra: Charu and/or CK are allaince worthy for the record I feel, in that even if they are wolf as I mentioned earlier it may not be end of the world
[1:20 PM] Celirra: CK maybe above Charu in that regard
[1:20 PM] Celirra: CK nice especially because I feel like she would be willing to cooperate and such unlike soundwave
[1:21 PM] Celirra: Since 2(I think? maybe 3) people leave game after first night
[1:21 PM] Celirra: that leaves 13 people
[1:21 PM] Celirra: an allaince of 7 or 8 people is ideal (8 in case of wolf)
[1:21 PM] Celirra: you, me, CK, Charu, then 3 or 4 more
[1:22 PM] Celirra: Reuben might be good in the same way as CK
[1:22 PM] Hakulyte: do you want to alliance people who you think are town or who you think would want to cooperate ?
[1:22 PM] Celirra: honestly
[1:22 PM] Celirra: More latter than former because townread is so volatile this early
[1:22 PM] Hakulyte: could be done just for the sake of discussion
[1:23 PM] Hakulyte: because the more you talk, the more it helps figuring out what everyone is
[1:23 PM] Celirra: Somewhat as well
[1:24 PM] Hakulyte: the only difference is that in the latter, we would have to be kinda careful in how we talk
[1:24 PM] Celirra: Is there anyone who comes to mind for being good about that kind of thing?
[1:24 PM] Celirra: Well I think caution is smart anyways
[1:24 PM] Celirra: I'm still a bit reserved with you because of how early it really is and technically there's little tangible proof of your township
[1:24 PM] Celirra: but its still enough to discuss this with you
[1:25 PM] Celirra: Anyways do you think the allaince thing is a good idea, and notably with those people specifically?
[1:25 PM] Celirra: I share your sentiment with Neee I think, and I dont think we should ally with him should your analysis prove true
[1:25 PM] Hakulyte: I guess that's a mutual feel with the township stuff
[1:25 PM] Celirra: Sunfan I wouldn't mind working with
[1:25 PM] Celirra: actually here lemme organize into a table
[1:26 PM] Hakulyte: alliance is a good idea simply because it creates an opportunity to progress the game somehow
[1:26 PM] Hakulyte: I don't think I can stay in a corner and outplay the instance where I have people to communicate with in an alliance
[1:27 PM] Hakulyte: more like it's pointless here, there's no PR.
[1:27 PM] Celirra: Want to work with for allaince:
- Haku (you)
- CK
- Reuben
- Sunfan

Don't mind / consider:
- Tokzic
- Star-crossed
- WV
- Charu
- DBP
- V
- Shado

Unwise to ally with:

rest
[1:27 PM] Celirra: I think the dont mind/consider is moreorless in order
[1:28 PM] Celirra: jrodd would be kinda in between, but the rest (neee, soundwave, flashflash) I dont think we should ally with
[1:28 PM] Celirra: Reuben is solely for the notion of him seeming a bit... open so worst case we could read him easily-er somewhat
[1:28 PM] Celirra: Tokzic would be good if he does put the effort in
[1:29 PM] Celirra: Star-crossed seems level headed and averse to the big moves which eases me for allaince
[1:29 PM] Hakulyte: I wish I could ally with flashflash because he usually blow my mind every time he says something.
[1:29 PM] Celirra: WV is cooperative
[1:29 PM] Celirra: Charu is a bit of a loose cannon but could prove valuable
[1:29 PM] Celirra: DBP/V are a similar strand
[1:29 PM] Hakulyte: star-crossed is some next level thinking if you've seen her previous games
[1:29 PM] Celirra: Shado is a super smart player but him being a wolf could throw a wrench in the game permanently
[1:29 PM] Celirra: I share your sentiment with flashflash but I'm still a skeptic
[1:30 PM] Celirra: I have a bit
[1:30 PM] Celirra: It's good thinking but not flashy like uh... like how a Xiz or a DBP would be
[1:30 PM] Celirra: I think she would be valuable
[1:30 PM] Celirra: Anyways I'd appreciate your thoughts on the matter
[1:30 PM] Celirra: I've gotta do some class stuff so I'll be sparse with my discussion for a little bit
[1:31 PM] Celirra: but I think we should touch base with others soon if we do go through with this
[1:31 PM] Hakulyte: I'm scared you're a wolf because of how invested you are right now rofl
[1:31 PM] Celirra: (is cross-tribe OOTC allowed?)
[1:31 PM] Celirra: lol thats fair
[1:31 PM] Celirra: I just love survivor and havent played twg in a while
[1:31 PM] Celirra: and I think early game is most important right now
[1:31 PM] Hakulyte: cross-tribe OOTC is not allowed I think
[1:31 PM] Hakulyte: until beach happens
[1:32 PM] Hakulyte: @ tomorrow 2 pm
[1:32 PM] Hakulyte: but you can talk in thread
[1:32 PM] Celirra: isn't beach @ tomorrow 10pm
[1:32 PM] Celirra: nah this kinda thing should be kept on the down-low
[1:32 PM] Hakulyte: oh, confused it with reward/immunity challenge deadline derp
[1:33 PM] Hakulyte: "After the first day phase"
[1:33 PM] Hakulyte: 24 hours after game starts ?
[1:33 PM] Hakulyte: 11pm tonight (?)
[1:33 PM] Hakulyte: well, maybe that's 10pm for you
[1:33 PM] Hakulyte: just double check for your timezone
[1:42 PM] Celirra: sounds like cross tribe ootc is ok

[1:42 PM] Celirra: do you have any thoughts on the whole allaince thing
[1:43 PM] Hakulyte: oh didnt see that ty
[1:43 PM] Celirra: other than your skepticism
[1:43 PM] Celirra: skepticism of me*
[1:43 PM] Hakulyte: just do it - nike
[1:43 PM] Celirra: well I kinda want your input on the people list etc
[1:43 PM] Celirra: youre kinda an integral part
[1:43 PM] Hakulyte: CK is not someone I can read well, but I have no reason to doubt her atm
[1:44 PM] Celirra: I'd almost say making a discord group chat with the defined allaince would be beneficial for transparency etc
[1:44 PM] Celirra: I've read her well every time so far which is part of the reason for my bias
[1:44 PM] Hakulyte: I just replaced a wolf ben last game
[1:44 PM] Celirra: what was his wolf like?(edited)
[1:45 PM] Hakulyte: deflects a lot into nothing imo
[1:46 PM] Hakulyte: looks better here
[1:46 PM] Hakulyte: tried to interact with wv
[1:47 PM] Hakulyte: in b4 wv + ben
[1:47 PM] Celirra: I remember WV wolf was very quiet
[1:48 PM] Hakulyte: yeah, I also think that's kind of a tell
[1:49 PM] Hakulyte: e.g: I'm busy driving to X place (probably true)
[1:49 PM] Hakulyte: but could have just posted something to show interest
[1:50 PM] Celirra: the thing with WV is that
[1:50 PM] Celirra: hes actually a super quick learner
[1:50 PM] Celirra: I wouldnt be surprised if his wolf strategy is way better now
[1:51 PM] Celirra: idk
[1:51 PM] Hakulyte: #need more info
[1:51 PM] Hakulyte: but I feel like an active wolf wv will be pretty hard to catch
[1:51 PM] Hakulyte: because it's not a card we can relate to
[1:52 PM] Hakulyte: still leaning town atm
[1:52 PM] Celirra: I have no reason to doubt him
[1:53 PM] Celirra: as I kinda said
[1:53 PM] Celirra: I only have reason to doubt jrodd
[1:53 PM] Hakulyte: well, to jrodd's defense, I'd say that wolf him wouldn't want that much of the spotlight.
[1:53 PM] Hakulyte: but that's just [meta] speaking
[1:54 PM] Celirra: I've retracted my initial distaste for meta a bit
[1:54 PM] Celirra: so you could be ok there
[1:54 PM] Celirra: but I think I'd still rather not somewhat
[1:55 PM] Hakulyte: think of it like blind who wants to do a meme about saying things that you wouldn't expect a town to say, but as town.
[1:56 PM] Hakulyte: tbh, I kinda hate when people do that because I feel like I'm forced to use meta to defend them
[1:56 PM] Hakulyte: instead of reasons etc.
[1:56 PM] Hakulyte: or motivations
[1:56 PM] Hakulyte: because in my head it doesn't make sense to complicate things that way
[1:57 PM] Hakulyte: unless you want to bait something
[1:57 PM] Hakulyte: well, j-rodd could have a reason to bait the 1-shot vigi to absorb a NK maybe
[1:58 PM] Hakulyte: wolves could want to NK whoever has 1-shot vigi because of the low % chance they don't shoot.
[1:58 PM] Hakulyte: I wouldn't be surprised I rip N1
[1:58 PM] Celirra: they have to shoot first night or they die
[1:58 PM] Celirra: er
[1:59 PM] Celirra: not die
[1:59 PM] Celirra: lose gun
[1:59 PM] Hakulyte: yeah I know what you mean
[1:59 PM] Celirra: I'm confident I won't get NK'd
[1:59 PM] Celirra: I never have been by a wolf
[2:00 PM] Celirra: anyways
[2:00 PM] Celirra: I'm trying to touch base with star and ck
[2:00 PM] Celirra: just to kinda see where their mind really is
[2:01 PM] Hakulyte: shooting early is also good because stacking is less likely
[2:01 PM] Celirra: I think shooting asap is smart
[2:01 PM] Celirra: more info etc
[2:01 PM] Hakulyte: pmuch
[2:01 PM] Celirra: iirc
[2:01 PM] Celirra: you can shoot before votes are needed
[2:01 PM] Celirra: right
[2:02 PM] Celirra: so if nothing else
[2:02 PM] Celirra: it helps give info for voting
[2:58 PM] Hakulyte: actually im dumb
[2:59 PM] Hakulyte: as charu mentioned, you're forced to use the power after you get it.
[2:59 PM] Hakulyte: for reward challenge
[2:59 PM] Hakulyte: so, we won't have to deal with the "did vigi shoot something?"
[2:59 PM] Hakulyte: they did.
[3:03 PM] Celirra: Oh, that's handy then
[3:04 PM] Hakulyte: talked a bit with star-crossed, still kinda reserved, but I guess it makes sense to be cautious.
[3:05 PM] Hakulyte: also, talked with Charu
[3:05 PM] Hakulyte: actually, I talked to both of them about votes
[3:05 PM] Hakulyte: and Charu seems to think it's a bad idea because we can't prove who voted what.
[3:06 PM] Hakulyte: star-crossed seems to think it's a good idea for information overall
[3:06 PM] Hakulyte: like to ask players who they're voting
[3:07 PM] Hakulyte: Charu thinks alliances are good too
[3:07 PM] Hakulyte: this is just like 2 different things
[3:11 PM] Celirra: I've talked to both of them too
[3:11 PM] Celirra: I think Charu is on the fence more than he lets off, we'll have to see
[3:11 PM] Celirra: But he seems reluctant to the idea of voting blocks
[3:11 PM] Celirra: Star-crossed I'm getting good vibes from
[3:11 PM] Celirra: it's interesting we got different things from Charu
[3:11 PM] Celirra: Mind you I talked to him about half an hour ago now
[3:12 PM] Celirra: So maybe I just swayed him
[3:12 PM] Hakulyte: mostly talked to him because he was talking to me in the thread tbh
[3:12 PM] Hakulyte: mostly just mechanic talk tho
[3:13 PM] Celirra: Fair
[3:13 PM] Hakulyte: lmao the other tribe is really the ddr tribe? that's funny.
[3:38 PM] Celirra: talking to CK right now
[3:38 PM] Celirra: and I kinda realized uh
[3:38 PM] Celirra: dont share that list of who to work with with anyone
[3:38 PM] Celirra: just in case
[3:38 PM] Celirra: if I get killed, then 2 of the other tops do too then the strat is kinda compromised
[3:38 PM] Hakulyte: update: we can make groups, but we have to invite a host in said group.
[3:38 PM] Celirra: fair
[3:39 PM] Hakulyte: talking to tokzic here
[3:39 PM] Celirra: I'm gonna heed part of what Charu discussed with me and wait till d1 for that
[3:39 PM] Hakulyte: it seems like soundwave is in their tribe now
[3:39 PM] Hakulyte: and it was a host error
[3:40 PM] Celirra: Yeah, I got a bit of a tribe list from star-crossed
[3:43 PM] Hakulyte: tokzic told me someone was missing in their tribe
[3:43 PM] Hakulyte: idk if you know who
[3:43 PM] Hakulyte: he thought it was cold kitten
[3:43 PM] Hakulyte: but just derp
[3:43 PM] Celirra: I can devise a list of everyone who's missing
[3:44 PM] Celirra: Ours:
CK
Haku
DBP
Celirra
jrod

Theirs:
Star
Tokzic
WV
flashflash
Soundwave
Charu
benguin
[3:45 PM] Celirra: Missing:
V
Sunfan
Shado
neee
[3:45 PM] Celirra: I believe that's right
[3:45 PM] Celirra: Sunfan isn't on discord or anything yet so he's a bit exempt from any suspicion I believe
[3:46 PM] Hakulyte: well, sunfan did mention stuff in sign ups with activity
[3:46 PM] Hakulyte: so, there's probably a bit of that
[3:46 PM] Hakulyte: feels okay for now
[3:46 PM] Hakulyte: but he's def lurking thread even atm
[3:47 PM] Celirra: I don't think he uses discord on mobile
[3:47 PM] Celirra: But does use ffr on mobile
[3:47 PM] Celirra: but that's an assumption
[3:50 PM] Celirra: his timing with uh, calling you lock town there is a bit unfortunate timingwise too
[3:51 PM] Celirra: wait
[3:51 PM] Celirra: nvm I forgot to tell you that so that doesnt make sense
[3:51 PM] Celirra: star is a bit wary of me because of poor timing
[3:51 PM] Celirra: re: flashflash
[3:52 PM] Celirra: he called her wolfy while she was talking about him as wolfy to me
[3:52 PM] Celirra: idk
[3:54 PM] Hakulyte: flashflash posting that is a meme
[3:54 PM] Hakulyte: because he posted that in a previous game word by word
[3:54 PM] Hakulyte: and I only had like 1 post
[3:54 PM] Hakulyte: he was right, but smh
[4:17 PM] Celirra: I'm talking with Sunfan a bit now
[4:17 PM] Celirra: He seems on board

[4:18 PM] Hakulyte: is he surfing the idea ? Waiting for the wave ?
[4:18 PM] Hakulyte: apparently we can make groups, but not channel
[4:18 PM] Hakulyte: close enough tbh
[4:18 PM] Celirra: Yup
[4:18 PM] Celirra: That's fine anyways
[4:19 PM] Celirra: It's mostly just for when people die I assume, more control that way to an extent
[4:19 PM] Celirra: Let's hold off on that for a bit I'd say
[4:20 PM] Hakulyte: game will only really kinda start next phase tbh
[4:21 PM] Celirra: btw
[4:21 PM] Celirra: WV reached out to me
[4:21 PM] Celirra: inquisitive of star
January 19, 2018
[1:08 PM] Hakulyte: hello there
[1:16 PM] Celirra: salutations
[1:16 PM] Celirra: talking to charu
[1:18 PM] Hakulyte: let's say I gave you a gun and told you to shoot someone, who would it be ?
[1:19 PM] Hakulyte: may just wait it out a bit more to answer that too
[1:26 PM] Celirra: flashflash or soundwave
[1:26 PM] Celirra: I'm torn
[1:26 PM] Celirra: thats not from a towny or wolfy thing
[1:26 PM] Celirra: thats from a
[1:26 PM] Celirra: who's gonna throw a wrench in our game
[1:26 PM] Celirra: town or not
[1:27 PM] Hakulyte: were you in the previous ootc with soundwave
[1:27 PM] Celirra: no
[1:27 PM] Hakulyte: because he was pmuch isolated most of the game for doing similar stuff as he's doing now
[1:27 PM] Hakulyte: was town despite that
[1:27 PM] Hakulyte: im just like smh
[1:28 PM] Hakulyte: he got vote stacked (ok votes don't count) in thread and pmuch didn't care
[1:28 PM] Hakulyte: it's like he's cool with dying already
[1:28 PM] Hakulyte: seems lost to me
[1:29 PM] Hakulyte: flashflash is unfiltered madness as town and poorly filtered madness as wolf
[1:29 PM] Hakulyte: so, that one is kinda simple
[1:29 PM] Hakulyte: this flashflash is more town than not atm
[1:29 PM] Hakulyte: I've read his wolf games
[1:29 PM] Hakulyte: I was just cringing
[1:30 PM] Celirra: I dont think madness is particularly beneficial either way to be fair
[1:31 PM] Hakulyte: agreed
[1:31 PM] Hakulyte: but changing how he plays is a lost cause kinda
[1:31 PM] Hakulyte: im saying this from a "I talked with this guy for hours post game way"
[1:31 PM] Hakulyte: I think he's useful for making things happen
[1:32 PM] Hakulyte: still have to filter what happens
[1:32 PM] Celirra: That's an interesting perspective I hadn't really considered
[1:32 PM] Celirra: it does seem like having nothing happen is detrimental
[1:32 PM] Celirra: also
[1:32 PM] Celirra: unrelated to that
[1:32 PM] Hakulyte: flashflash is the kind of player that will also inevitably rip fast
[1:32 PM] Celirra: are our votes tonight locked to our own tribe
[1:33 PM] Hakulyte: you can vote anyone as far as I know
[1:33 PM] Hakulyte: I don't see why you couldn't
[1:33 PM] Celirra: I kinda assumed survivor rules where you can't cross-tribe vote for some reason
[1:33 PM] Hakulyte: oh, I just don't have survivor knowledge so, I rely on op
[1:34 PM] Hakulyte: well, I did search stuff a bit and asked sunfan about survivor
[1:34 PM] Hakulyte: may as well tell you about that
[1:34 PM] Hakulyte: the hidden idol of immunity
[1:34 PM] Hakulyte: if you know survivor, it's supposed to be on exile island
[1:34 PM] Hakulyte: but this is newfoundland TWG
[1:35 PM] Hakulyte: there's a viking hat and a dog in the main pic
[1:35 PM] Hakulyte: turns out there's a viking site inside newfoundland that has been discovered
[1:35 PM] Hakulyte: it's called L'Anse aux Meadows
[1:35 PM] Hakulyte: googled that stuff
[1:35 PM] Celirra: yeah newfoundland was the first place vikings landed
[1:35 PM] Celirra: hence the name
[1:35 PM] Hakulyte: the dog is also a newfoundland specific puppy
[1:36 PM] Hakulyte: so, I was wondering if there's some odd story about the 2
[1:36 PM] Hakulyte: but couldn't find a connection
[1:36 PM] Hakulyte: the pics in op are also from season 26,28 and 35 apparently
[1:36 PM] Hakulyte: not sure if something special happen here
[1:37 PM] Celirra: admittedly
[1:37 PM] Celirra: I'm not gonna bother with hidden too much
[1:37 PM] Celirra: I'm not good at puzzles
[1:58 PM] Hakulyte: just paranoia speaking tho
[1:58 PM] Celirra: ck was never even mentioned
[1:58 PM] Celirra: uh
[1:59 PM] Celirra: tokzic/ck/ben ?
[1:59 PM] Hakulyte: what kind of group is that ?
[1:59 PM] Hakulyte: huh there was a tribe chat discussion about ben
[2:00 PM] Hakulyte: with ck, me at least
[2:00 PM] Celirra: I guess maybe he's referring to that
[2:01 PM] Hakulyte: what sucks for me with ben is that he's in the other tribe
[2:01 PM] Hakulyte: and doesn't respond much 1 on 1
[2:01 PM] Hakulyte: and limited content in thread
[2:01 PM] Hakulyte: so, im pretty much flipping a coin
[2:02 PM] Hakulyte: Hakulyte - Yesterday at 5:06 PM
hello, this is backup replacement.
should I have signed up as a sub and I messed up ?
wombo combo so great
I have multiple topics we could talk about
up to you
benguin - Yesterday at 6:22 PM
not sure what you mean by those first two lines there?
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 6:23 PM
just trolling because of previous game with/as you
benguin - Yesterday at 6:23 PM
oh lmfao
sorry, I'm not all there right now xP
Not that I'm ever there to begin with
Including being "there" in thread last game Dx
January 19, 2018
Hakulyte - Today at 1:49 PM
hello there once again
I need your help clarify a few things related to you
but also reading ddr tribe chat that got posted in thread so, maybe ill be fine
[2:02 PM] Hakulyte: ----
that's like what we said
[2:03 PM] Hakulyte: it's not helpful..
[2:06 PM] Celirra: mmmm
[2:06 PM] Celirra: that's interesting
[2:06 PM] Celirra: though based on his posting
[2:07 PM] Celirra: it does seem like he posts in blocks
[2:07 PM] Celirra: a lot then nothing
[2:07 PM] Hakulyte: yeah
[2:15 PM] Celirra: hey have you talked to soundwave at all
[2:18 PM] Hakulyte: yeah
[2:18 PM] Hakulyte: mostly about principles
[2:19 PM] Hakulyte: Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:11 PM
hello there
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:12 PM
hi friend
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:12 PM
can you explain to me how you view this game ?
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:12 PM
In what sense? reads? thoughts about format?
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:13 PM
the tribes and how town vs wolves are playing
pmuch the logic of hiding information vs sharing it knowing there could be a wolf
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:18 PM
Okay, well, tribes are ffa, reuben_tate, me, star_crossed, tokzic, charu, wv, and someone else, probably ck or someone else who hasn't joined, so knowing that no point in hiding tribes.

Tribes might end up being important because a couple people have already said they're going to weasel around try to get wolves to trip up. Town or wolf, you have to play along with that, and you can't read them poor for that. Tribes shouldn't matter, but this is a game of social construction, so what should and shouldn't matter is relative to what's going on.

Information is only worth hiding if you're pretty sure it's being hidden from all the wolves. This makes pms pretty useful: if you pick a random person and tell them some things you're probably confiding with a town. If you choose based on reads your chances only go up. Tribes however, are opposite. Each tribe probably has a wolf, so if you keep something secret from the other tribe, you're probably only hiding it from towns, because, ofc, the wolves can communicate freely.
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:19 PM
CK is actually in my tribe
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:19 PM
oh interesting
[2:19 PM] Hakulyte: Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:19 PM
idk why you guys keep thinking it's her that's missing
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:19 PM
I dunno assumed she hadn't gotten on. Who do you have?
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:20 PM
you were in my tribe too at one point
but not for long
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:20 PM
Yeah rb fucked up, I was rolled ddr but given link to itg
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:21 PM
me, celirra, sunfan, ck, DBP, jrodd, Shado at this point
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:21 PM
who's missing then?
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:22 PM
neeee and ben (?)
wait- you have reuben_tate
so, it's just neee
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:23 PM
wait but you listed 7 and I listed 7... there should be 2 missing...?
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:24 PM
oh it's Vendetta
Soundwave - Yesterday at 7:24 PM
aah
couldn't check, fiffer not loading on maku internet xd
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 7:25 PM
btw this game has no PR so, hiding information is a lot more
[2:20 PM] Hakulyte: ---
I felt like that was a pretty objectively neutral chat tbh
[2:22 PM] Hakulyte: idk if I want to angleshoot the link mistake
[2:22 PM] Hakulyte: maybe copypasta from slot 5 into slot 6
[2:23 PM] Hakulyte: that would make vendetta a wolf
[2:23 PM] Hakulyte: im so lame for going here
[2:24 PM] Celirra: 2:10 PM] Gamut: but also i mention in tribe chat
[2:11 PM] Gamut: soundwave said he heard from haku
[2:11 PM] Gamut: that sunfan was starting an alliance
[2:11 PM] Gamut: i was like "hmm ok did anyone get messaged by sunfan"
[2:11 PM] Gamut: and nobody had
[2:25 PM] Hakulyte: weird
[2:26 PM] Hakulyte: might have misremember something ?
[2:26 PM] Hakulyte: I did talk to sunfan tho
[2:26 PM] Hakulyte: but I didn't even talk to sunfan about an alliance
[2:26 PM] Hakulyte: I did that with you
[2:27 PM] Hakulyte: lmao
[2:27 PM] Hakulyte: but he's not aware of that either way
[2:27 PM] Hakulyte: :thinking:
[2:27 PM] Celirra: sunfan showed me your logs with him
[2:27 PM] Celirra: so dont worry
[2:29 PM] Hakulyte: soundwave seems afk
[2:30 PM] Celirra: heres an interesting thing
[2:30 PM] Celirra: despite all that
[2:30 PM] Celirra: tokzic wants flashflash to go over soundwave
[2:30 PM] Celirra: and in a way defended soundwave
[2:30 PM] Celirra: saying that getting rid of him for being a bad egg is bad
[2:30 PM] Celirra: etc
[3:32 PM] Hakulyte: so, I still didn't get a pm or anything for the reward challenge
[3:44 PM] Celirra: oh really
[3:45 PM] Celirra: I wonder who won
[3:45 PM] Hakulyte: oh, hacking the game was legal
[3:45 PM] Hakulyte: ok, rip me
[3:45 PM] Celirra: so
[3:45 PM] Celirra: dbp won maybe
[3:45 PM] Celirra: or soundwave
[3:46 PM] Hakulyte: I got 928k and didn't win
[3:46 PM] Hakulyte: by abusing holding keys on inputs
[3:46 PM] Celirra: I see
[3:46 PM] Hakulyte: I think Charu won
[3:52 PM] Celirra: According to Charu
[3:52 PM] Celirra: Rumour has it on ddr tribe'
[3:52 PM] Celirra: you won
[3:52 PM] Hakulyte: I didn't
[4:27 PM] Hakulyte: it's like you asked ben to lead the game
[4:27 PM] Celirra: it's clear he hasn't tried other than the tribe discord pressure he's put out
[4:27 PM] Celirra: see with soundwave
[4:28 PM] Celirra: I dont mean I want him to suddenly go full CEO mode
[4:28 PM] Celirra: But I want him to at least lead a conversation and pressure in a way he sees fit
[4:28 PM] Celirra: if that makes sense
[4:29 PM] Celirra: I'd like to see Star be more confident almost, she's almost universal town she should use that to our advantage more
[4:29 PM] Celirra: I'd like to see Sunfan use his immunity for good otherwise I'm gonna advocate for him to hang tomorrow
[4:29 PM] Celirra: dont tell him that, because if he knows he's gonna try to do that specifically
[4:29 PM] Celirra: immunity logic dictates to anyone who knows survivor that they can be more ballsy and take risks without fear of repercussions
[4:29 PM] Celirra: take charge etc
[4:29 PM] Celirra: rather than sunfan doing the sunfan
[4:30 PM] Celirra: and sitting in the backside and saying shit
[4:30 PM] Celirra: if he does that he's town 100% imo
[4:30 PM] Celirra: otherwise he's wolf probably
[4:30 PM] Celirra: I want neee to actually try to touch ground with people (see: me)
[4:30 PM] Celirra: I want backpack to make a notable, rememberable effort
[4:31 PM] Celirra: trying to think of what I want from you
[4:31 PM] Hakulyte: neeee just randomly jump in main beach and talk for a while for what I've seen
[4:31 PM] Celirra: other than to do what you do and try to keep causing conversation related to twg
[4:31 PM] Celirra: same with dbp and freezin
[4:31 PM] Celirra: but with different tones
[4:31 PM] Celirra: the last 2 lines are RE: neee
[4:31 PM] Celirra: not you
[4:31 PM] Hakulyte: I've been more lazy with pms this phase
[4:31 PM] Celirra: I haven't pm'd anyone
[4:32 PM] Celirra: you're the first person I've talked to
[4:32 PM] Celirra: other than star briefly yesterday
[4:32 PM] Celirra: you're the only one who reached out to me
[4:32 PM] Celirra: other than wv briefly
[4:32 PM] Hakulyte: I think neeee is in a similar situation as you
[4:32 PM] Celirra: [5:56 PM] wv: How mad at me would you be if I flip town
January 25, 2018
[4:06 PM] Celirra: I would be very disappointed in you as town
[4:06 PM] Celirra: because you played very poorly and didn't do anything
[4:06 PM] wv: I don't feel bad blaming that entirely on me being sick
[4:32 PM] Celirra: and what situation do you think I'm in?
[4:32 PM] Hakulyte: almost pm'd no one
[4:33 PM] Celirra: I dont think he's done that all game
[4:33 PM] Celirra: I did that hard before I gave up
[4:33 PM] Celirra: I probably talked to charu more than anyone I think prior to his seering
[4:33 PM] Hakulyte: I've talked a bit with him but not that much
[4:34 PM] Hakulyte: my biggest logs were with shado/ben
[4:34 PM] Hakulyte: after it's like wv I think
[4:40 PM] Celirra: You got a good defined stance on wv?
[4:41 PM] Hakulyte: meh, idk what to think of him
[4:41 PM] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/tNF4mGaw have a read I guess
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wv - Last Friday at 2:12 PM Hey haku how do you approach OoT games Hakulyte - - Pastebin.com

[4:42 PM] Hakulyte: I feel like he's a 2nd ben
[4:43 PM] Hakulyte: there's a few logs in that log too
[4:44 PM] Hakulyte: I'd vote t-force before him
[4:54 PM] Celirra: tbh
[4:54 PM] Celirra: he seems almost towny
[4:54 PM] Celirra: anyways
[4:54 PM] Celirra: I dont like either tforce or wv lynch
[4:54 PM] Celirra: wolfiness aside etc
[4:54 PM] Celirra: to win we kinda need uh
[4:55 PM] Celirra: a strong wolf and a lynch that would help town
[4:55 PM] Celirra: ben didnt give us anything
[4:55 PM] Celirra: ffa gave us nothing
[4:55 PM] Celirra: etc
[4:55 PM] Celirra: I dont like info lynches
[4:55 PM] Celirra: but we need info
[4:55 PM] Celirra: and wv lynch wouldnt give us anything
[4:55 PM] Celirra: if it's a hit it's a crapshoot like tonight
[4:55 PM] Celirra: if it's a miss we lose
[4:55 PM] Celirra: I dont like gambling
[4:56 PM] Hakulyte: freezin/soundwave/neeee are on that list for me
[4:56 PM] Celirra: A jrodd, sunfan (shame he won), or freezin hang would be good
[4:56 PM] Hakulyte: consensus probably soundwave
[4:56 PM] Celirra: I dont like soundwave lynch
[4:56 PM] Celirra: at all
[4:56 PM] Celirra: feels like ben
[4:57 PM] Hakulyte: would you be upset if star flipped wolf ?
[4:57 PM] Celirra: if she's wolf then wolves earned the win very well
[4:57 PM] Celirra: but I dont think she's wolf
[4:57 PM] Celirra: I very much don't think so
[4:57 PM] Celirra: you and her are my most comfortable towns
[4:58 PM] Celirra: everyone else I have reason to suspect
[4:58 PM] Celirra: to varying degrees of course
[4:59 PM] Hakulyte: you sound like you could be a thing yourself
[4:59 PM] Hakulyte: no offense
[4:59 PM] Celirra: none taken
[4:59 PM] Celirra: if you think that lynch me before lylo
[5:00 PM] Hakulyte: sunfan seems heavily convinced you're always town
[5:00 PM] Celirra: I dont want to be the reason we lose
[5:00 PM] Celirra: sunfan is dumb this game
[5:00 PM] Celirra: dont put credence in him
[5:00 PM] Celirra: this game I would sooner trust tforce judgement than sunfan
[5:00 PM] Celirra: to be frank
[5:00 PM] Celirra: thats not a slight at either
[5:00 PM] Celirra: but tforce seems out of it and uncaring
[5:01 PM] Celirra: but still seems more reputable right now than sunfan
[5:01 PM] Hakulyte: trying to think if jrodd would make sense as some middle man
[5:01 PM] Celirra: middle man how?
[5:02 PM] Hakulyte: it's not like votes needed a lot of influence
[5:02 PM] Hakulyte: it's just consensus that happened
[5:03 PM] Hakulyte: I think it's special how he keeps changing his mind, but that's probably not a good way to put this in word
[5:03 PM] Hakulyte: "You're kind of weird to me at times and you keep changing ideas fairly frequently. (refering to voice call d1 and the seer with sunfan d2) It makes me wonder if you're trying to simulate a lack of agenda or if you're uncertain about your own priorities."
[5:15 PM] Hakulyte: wv is easier to get lynched
[5:15 PM] Hakulyte: so, logically jrodd
[5:15 PM] Hakulyte: :thinking:
[5:15 PM] Celirra: do you think
[5:15 PM] Celirra: the difficulty with getting jrodd lynched
[5:15 PM] Celirra: would be due to wolf intervention
[5:16 PM] Celirra: or due to a strong town core
[5:16 PM] Hakulyte: could be
[5:16 PM] Celirra: I'm against the strong town core theory
[5:16 PM] Celirra: cause our strong town core has fucked up too much
[5:16 PM] Celirra: but hey
[5:16 PM] Celirra: thats just
[5:16 PM] Celirra: me
[5:17 PM] Hakulyte: I mean, it's creating an obstacle in a way
[5:17 PM] Hakulyte: the alliance thing
[5:17 PM] Celirra: what allaince?
[5:17 PM] Hakulyte: I'm refering to sunfan's town pile
[5:17 PM] Hakulyte: actually it doesn't contain jrodd surprisingly
[5:17 PM] Celirra: I wasn't aware that was what dictated things
[5:17 PM] Hakulyte: but he said he was on the border
[5:18 PM] Hakulyte: have you read main beach ?
[5:18 PM] Celirra: lightly
[5:18 PM] Hakulyte: probably last night talk
[5:18 PM] Celirra: I've read over it all
[5:18 PM] Celirra: but not in depth with a fine comb
[5:18 PM] Celirra: I recall mention of sunfan'
[5:18 PM] Celirra: s core
[5:18 PM] Celirra: but I dont remember people putting that much stock into it
[5:19 PM] Hakulyte: I guess I could look it up
[5:20 PM] Celirra: hey hows this for a fun theory
[5:20 PM] Celirra: wolves are jrodd, freezin, sunfan and neee
[5:20 PM] Hakulyte: thesunfan - Today at 12:09 AM
me, star, cel, dbp, freezin, haku
that's 6
with 11 alive that's enough
I will say
[5:20 PM] Hakulyte: search that in main beach
[5:21 PM] Hakulyte: I'd dig that
[5:21 PM] Celirra: so right there
[5:21 PM] Celirra: off the bat
[5:21 PM] Celirra: nee changes topic from the sunfan reads list
[5:21 PM] Celirra: to put on freezin
[5:21 PM] Celirra: notable, yay or nay
[5:21 PM] Celirra: ?
[5:22 PM] Hakulyte: where is that ?
[5:22 PM] Celirra: scroll down
[5:22 PM] Hakulyte: probably happened
[5:22 PM] Celirra: from where you told me to go
[5:22 PM] Hakulyte: ah
[5:22 PM] Celirra: [12:15 AM] theknightsofneeee: ?
[12:15 AM] theknightsofneeee: freezin
[12:15 AM] theknightsofneeee: you literally said like 30 min ago
[12:15 AM] theknightsofneeee: that you reset and had 2 villa reads
[12:15 AM] FreezinIce: yeah
[12:15 AM] FreezinIce: i did
[12:15 AM] theknightsofneeee: sunfan/star
[5:23 PM] Hakulyte: notable
[5:23 PM] Celirra: is it notable in a
[5:23 PM] Celirra: neee/sunfan w/w way
[5:23 PM] Celirra: in a
[5:23 PM] Celirra: sunfan is right way and neee/freezin are w/w
[5:23 PM] Celirra: or in a
[5:23 PM] Celirra: they're w/w/w
[5:23 PM] Celirra: I have a theory that due to how shitty the tribe discord is
[5:24 PM] Celirra: the main people who typically dictate it are the wolves
[5:24 PM] Celirra: I dont think the voice is terribly conductive either
[5:24 PM] Hakulyte: I'd say w/w/t
[5:24 PM] Celirra: neee is the oddball for the controlling angle
[5:24 PM] Celirra: I'd agree to that
[5:24 PM] Celirra: which of them is the t
[5:24 PM] Celirra: if I had to choose one based off of interaction
[5:24 PM] Celirra: I'd say freezin
[5:25 PM] Hakulyte: yeah, I was just trying to consider the other scenarios
[5:25 PM] Hakulyte: like what if sunfan was the t and freezin/neeee were together
[5:25 PM] Hakulyte: would this make sense
[5:25 PM] Celirra: I don't see freezin/neee being w/w tbh based off of that
[5:26 PM] Celirra: It doesn't feel like a wolf mutually beneficial thing to do
[5:26 PM] Celirra: unless it's distancing but that doesn't particularly distance
[5:26 PM] Celirra: ok so lets do an exercise
[5:26 PM] Celirra: based off of this one thing
[5:26 PM] Celirra: with my 4 I semi arbitrarily chose
[5:26 PM] Celirra: lets kick out... if I had to go with what i said, freezin
[5:26 PM] Celirra: so it's sunfan, nee, jrodd + 1
[5:27 PM] Celirra: who should take freezin's place in that 4
[5:27 PM] Hakulyte: wanna try dbp ?
[5:27 PM] Celirra: can be anyone, if anything someone who hasn't been sussed a lot is best
[5:27 PM] Celirra: sure
[5:27 PM] Celirra: so currently dbp, sunfan, nee, jrodd
[5:27 PM] Celirra: any notable interactions that involve 2, 3, or 4 of them?
[5:28 PM] Celirra: I'll go look
[5:28 PM] Hakulyte: dbp has a long interaction with neee
[5:28 PM] Hakulyte: around the one shot seer thing
[5:28 PM] Celirra: got a specific quote?
[5:28 PM] Celirra: there was a lot of the one shot seer stuff
[5:28 PM] Hakulyte: where neee was just looking lost
[5:28 PM] Hakulyte: I mean when it was won
[5:28 PM] Hakulyte: not after
[5:29 PM] Hakulyte: I only see jrodd as someone who did side character interactions
[5:29 PM] Hakulyte: like added a couple of things, but didn't really connect to anyone
[5:29 PM] Hakulyte: outside of the tribe chat stuff super early game
[5:30 PM] Celirra: do you have a specific thing I can search for the uh
[5:30 PM] Celirra: seer thing with dbp/neee
[5:30 PM] Celirra: also with jrodd