my own copy lol

06:35
Lumage✿✿✿✿
It doesn't look like it but this is bug investigation room
06:36
ShadowCX11
Yeah IK
06:37
Lumage✿✿✿✿
oh excellent I lost the info
"using BGSCREEN with certain values makes it pull data from other memory locations, including program memory"
QKS3EDA6
07:19
SquareFingers
QKS3EDA6
bad key
07:19
Lumage✿✿✿✿
oh darn
07:24
Lumage✿✿✿✿
vid.me/DNVn
vid.me/QZky
vid.me/gY8O
vid.me/xvv6
demonstrations
looking for code
early exploration in a nutshell:
             incvoid[04:12]g: user defined function names.
        slackerSnail[04:12]g: ON THE BG LAYER?
84VE13RJ maybe (but older)
"RUN IT AND HOLD TO THE right..
yes around 7230 on the x."
oops
(still might not work) 84VEQ3RJ
oh no that definitely doesn't work
argh
07:28
RaichuBender
I found something yesterday at X location 47000 or around there
07:30
Lumage✿✿✿✿
later exploration in a nutshell: "YEP I CAN EDIT THE CONTENTS OF VARIABLES WITH BGPUT"
07:31
RaichuBender
Lol
I can't think of the great things you can do with this if people create something with this in mind
07:33
SquareFingers
Interesting.  Can you 'declare' new variables with BGPUT?  That would be pretty big.
07:33
Lumage✿✿✿✿
mmm I don't think we've gotten there
We've found sizes of strings and array dimensions and stuff
I wish slacker put his inspector somewhere
07:38
Lumage✿✿✿✿
also stuff like "coincidently...I don't have TEST anywehre in my program..the search feature returns nothing...no comment..its old code still in memory"
07:48
Lumage✿✿✿✿
Don't you have the program, Raichu?
07:51
SquareFingers
Interesting.  If you're causing a crash, it seems there are two possibilities.  The more exciting one is that you're affecting memory that gets executed.  Probably the more likely one is that you are affecting data that the system would normally sanitize before storing, and when retrieving, assumes it is sanitized.
07:52
Lumage✿✿✿✿
I don't remember it crashing, the background layer just reads data from locations that aren't background
07:52
SquareFingers
I just looked at the videos you posted above vid.me/xvv6 shows a crash.
07:54
Lumage✿✿✿✿
oh
07:54
SquareFingers
With a BGPUT.
07:54
Lumage✿✿✿✿
Oh I see what you mean now
sorry
Yeah
what's the normal limit for bgscreen?
07:56
Lumage✿✿✿✿
"(Width x Height should be equal to or less than 16383)"
07:56
SquareFingers
"Width*Height should be equal to or less than 16363"
07:57
12Me21
16384-1
07:58
SquareFingers
Yeah, so 128*128 is just too big.  Why one less?!
07:59
RaichuBender
Yeah I have the program, should I upload it?
08:00
RaichuBender
J524NVHV
^Key to the program
08:01
12Me21
We need to remove all references to BGSCREEN 0,888888,888888
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08:01
RaichuBender
Yeah
08:01
Lumage✿✿✿✿
"[megamon][13:50]o: ps i've already emailed SB about the glitch"
08:02
RaichuBender
...
08:02
Lumage✿✿✿✿
"[megamon][13:50]o: says they're going to just refuse the ability for the command to run with parameters over 999"
pretty sure he's lying but it's still pretty likely that this'll get patched in 3.3
08:02
RaichuBender
Ye
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08:04
RaichuBender
Downloaded the program @Square?
Because then I ĺl remove it
08:05
RaichuBender
...
08:06
RaichuBender
At X:282588 I found the files in the current directory
*file names
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08:07
Lumage✿✿✿✿
writable?
08:07
RaichuBender
Not tested yet
08:08
12Me21
We need to remove all references to BGSCREEN 0,888888,888888
08:08
Lumage✿✿✿✿
what if you put a path to /user/###/<file in default folder>
08:08
Lumage✿✿✿✿
in place of one
08:08
Lumage✿✿✿✿
could you load files from outside the curdir?
08:09
RaichuBender
There are no folder names, only the files in the current folder
08:09
RaichuBender
w8
08:09
SquareFingers
Raichu: Done, thanks.
08:09
Lumage✿✿✿✿
*actually /###/<filename> seems more likely to work
08:09
RaichuBender
Yeah
08:09
SquareFingers
Sorry, was looking at program, not chat screen.
08:10
RaichuBender
Ah, so you downloaded it? :P
08:10
12Me21
What new features have been added?
08:10
RaichuBender
I don't have the newer version *yet*
This is the old version
w8, did he release a new version yesterday/today
:P
08:10
Lumage✿✿✿✿
Yeah
Slacker took down one of them to publish a fixed version
08:11
RaichuBender
Ah
08:11
Lumage✿✿✿✿
Because bugs in bug-exploration tools
08:11
RaichuBender
Lol
08:12
Lumage✿✿✿✿
also let's see how easy it is to ping when a PM message is received
08:12
RaichuBender
I get the following two names at an address around 280000: <filename>.PRG and T<filename>.PRG
I don't know what the difference between the two is
08:13
Lumage✿✿✿✿
yeah T commonly prefixes filenames, chances are it's "text"
08:13
RaichuBender
Only the T is different at the start of the filename
Ah
Then B is for DAT, right?
08:13
Lumage✿✿✿✿
ye
08:13
12Me21
and GRP
08:13
Lumage✿✿✿✿
"binary"
08:13
RaichuBender
Yeah
08:14
Lumage✿✿✿✿
meanwhile the only reason I seem knowledgeable is because I have access to logs
08:14
RaichuBender
Lol
I get both *BGRASH and TBGCRASH
I think *BGCRASH is the name used for displaying text and TBGCRASH the internal name\
08:15
12Me21
>meanwhile the only reason I seem knowledgeable is because I have access to logs
can you make the chat logs public?
08:15
RaichuBender
The * is there because it is unsaved and has been edited
08:15
Lumage✿✿✿✿
No.
I mean they already are.
08:15
RaichuBender
*for this PM group only
:P
08:15
Lumage✿✿✿✿
PMs aren't logged
All that's useful is the one day
08:16
RaichuBender
@Square did you download it, I am going to pull it off, ok?
08:16
12Me21
I'll make a bot to log the chat later
08:16
Lumage✿✿✿✿
I'll pastebin the relevant parts of this one I guess
pls
08:16
SquareFingers
Raichu: Yes, I have it, thanks.
08:16
RaichuBender
Ok :P
08:16
Lumage✿✿✿✿
The reason the logs aren't public is because we have a lot of annoying people who would abuse them
08:17
SquareFingers
After the instructions, I found the names of the variables in the program; T, S$, MOVE, CLIPW, etc..
08:17
RaichuBender
Yeah, I know what you mean ._.
Yeah, I saw that too
08:17
12Me21
Have we figured out what the difference between layers is yet?
is it just offset?
08:18
RaichuBender
goto X location 280000
08:18
Lumage✿✿✿✿
Yep
08:18
RaichuBender
And scroll to the right
08:18
Lumage✿✿✿✿
lemme just regex offtopic out of this...
08:18
12Me21
I wonder if layer 3 lets you see farther than 0 before you crash
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08:19
RaichuBender
Is there an explanation of the whole thing somewhere, I still don't get it 100% :P
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08:19
RaichuBender
Not that I am that stupid or anything
08:19
Lumage✿✿✿✿
yeah
all the smilebasic state memory is in one big thing somewhere
including variable data such as arrays
somewhere in there is space for backgrounds
normally when using BGSCREEN you're only looking at the "background" region of that memory
with this you expand outside that and you see... other stuff.
08:21
RaichuBender
Ah
That makes a lot of sense, I knew about the BGSCREEN thing, but not how it works from the inside
Starting at X address 282586  start seeing the file names
8
-
P
I
H
C
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08:23
RaichuBender
Lol
So outside of BGSCREEN 1024 you start seeing this memory stuff
right?
08:26
Lumage✿✿✿✿
why the regex does not like my brackets
oh there
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08:29
Lumage✿✿✿✿
okay I think that worked
yay I'm a spambot
08:31
RaichuBender
Kazuma-kun
08:31
Lumage✿✿✿✿
pastebin.com/5JQW4rqe
pastebin.com/raw/5JQW4rqe
08:31
RaichuBender
Ah thanks a lot!
08:32
SquareFingers
Suggestion: Lines 107,108 currently
COLOR #TGREEN,0
?CHR$(A[15-(Y)+(X*16)]>>8);CHR$(A[15-(Y)+(X*16)]AND &HFF);
Change to something more like:
CHR=A[15-(Y)+(X*16)]>>8:IF (CHR!=10) THEN COLOR #TGREEN,0:?CHR$(CHR); ELSE COLOR #TBLUE,0:?CHR$(13);
CHR=A[15-(Y)+(X*16)]AND &HFF:IF (CHR!=10) THEN COLOR #TGREEN,0:?CHR$(CHR); ELSE COLOR #TBLUE,0:?CHR$(13);
This will prevent some of the crap appearing on the left side of the screen.
08:32
Lumage✿✿✿✿
oops there are a few junk lines from multiline offtopic
oh well
08:33
12Me21
oh, that
08:33
RaichuBender
I'll change it for myself now, I don't have the source file so I don't think what is already updated :P
08:33
12Me21
make a function
08:33
RaichuBender
*knows
08:34
12Me21
DEF SCHR$(ascii)
 IF FLOOR(ASCII)==10 THEN RETURN "*" ELSE RETURN CHR$(ASCII)
END
08:34
RaichuBender
It would be usefull if this looked like a real hex editor, makes it better for exploration
08:34
12Me21
replace * with the enter symbol in the symbols menu
08:34
Lumage✿✿✿✿
Are we talking about Slacker's thing or incvoid's
08:35
12Me21
Squarefingers' suggestion
08:35
Lumage✿✿✿✿
i mean the program
08:35
RaichuBender
incvoid's right?
08:35
SquareFingers
I'd put the colour change, and the actual printing of the character, in the function too.
08:36
12Me21
ok
but then
you might as well use GOSUB
I mean, if it does everything, what's the point of a function?
08:36
Lumage✿✿✿✿
can we actually not have this argument here
08:37
RaichuBender
For some reasson, P shows up as the 1/4 symbol
I found the /###/ thing!
08:37
Lumage✿✿✿✿
^this might also be an ASCII vs. Shift-JIS thing, I think I've heard of that
08:37
RaichuBender
It's at X:280918
Maybe if we can change it to / somehow
08:38
Lumage✿✿✿✿
pssshhh
08:38
RaichuBender
Lol
08:38
12Me21
Oh, in the display loop, it's much faster to store the array cell into a variable, then print it, so you only access the array element once
08:39
RaichuBender
Anyway, I gotta prepare food, I'll catch you later
(will let my browser open)
08:39
SquareFingers
I don't think the program suffers from running too slowly.
Command error: "/###/ is default, within smilebasic's control. Are you saying we should get smilebasic to look at it's own filesystem?" was not recognized. Maybe something was misspelled, or you were missing arguments
08:39
Lumage✿✿✿✿
"/###/ is default, within smilebasic's control. Are you saying we should get smilebasic to look at it's own filesystem
?
also brb eating.
08:40
RaichuBender
Oh and it shows me ":/###/T<first proram I saved>"
Gotta prepare food now, see ya!
*afk*
08:40
12Me21
there's a memory leak I think
The program started running REALLY slow, then was fine after I restarted my 3DS
08:41
RaichuBender
Cool :P
Tell more about it, so it can be further investigated
*after I'm done with eating XD
08:42
12Me21
It's only happened twice, so IDK what caused it
08:45
12Me21
Ok, what does the newest program look like?
what features does it have?
I can't download now, though
09:04
SquareFingers
Interesting.  I found "WAIT", decided to change the "T" to "L".  Now, "WAIT 1" gives Syntax Error, but so does "WAIL 1".
"autocomplete" has WAIT, does not have WAIL.
09:06
Lumage✿✿✿✿
mm because the program is precompiled to there,
?
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09:07
Lumage✿✿✿✿
It won't change it in the display, but if you haven't changed the program it might be running that hing you changed?
unless you're testing it direct mode
09:07
SquareFingers
I found "WAIT", went to Direct mode, did BGFILL one character to change the T to L, saw the BG change.
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09:11
SquareFingers
Hm.  Added that BGFILL to the program; now, when I scroll there, I see "WAIL".  Then, added "WAIT 1" in the program, after the BGFILL: got Syntax Error.  Changed to "WAIL 1", got Syntax Error.
Don't read too much into that, WAIT has stopped working altogether for me, for now.
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09:14
SquareFingers
Going to "top menu" did not restore WAIT.  Exited SmileBasic, restarted, now I have WAIT again.
09:19
Trinitro21
hm, kinda like what I did with romhacking
changing a command name
kind of
09:24
SquareFingers
BGFILL to change WAIT to WAIL, then on the next line of the program, back to WAIT: no problem.  BGFILL change WAIT to WAIL, go to Direct mode, then change back to WAIT: doesn't work, WAIT will still give Syntax Error until SmileBasic restarted.