Rolling Thunder Revue: A Bob Dylan Story by Martin Scorsese

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Bicentennial hats here!

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Bicentennial hats.

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Excuse me, do you feel patriotic?

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Patriotic is... is not the real feeling
that I have right now.

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People like bicentennial hats,
I sell 'em bicentennial hats.

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Uh-huh.

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Ladies and gentlemen,
of this beautiful day

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and this bicentennial day, right here,
downtown in New York City,

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ladies and gentlemen.

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Joseph Hurdley Jr.,
songwriter of New York City.

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Otherwise, Uncle Sam is going to sing

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one of his versions
of "The Star-Spangled Banner."

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Ladies and gentlemen,
"The Star-Spangled Banner" with new music.

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Words by Francis Scott Key
and music by Joseph Hurdley Jr.,

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dedicated to the future of America,
God save the republic.

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Are you ready, maestro?

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No maestros? I'll sing it myself.

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<i>♪ O say, can you see
By the dawn's early light ♪</i>

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It's one dollar.

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Get your copies here.

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I've got four versions of...

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<i>♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Play a song for me ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I'm not sleepy
And there is no place I'm going to ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Play a song for me ♪</i>

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<i>♪ In the jingle jangle morning ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I'll come followin' you ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Though I know that evenin's empire ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Has returned into sand... ♪</i>

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We're gathered
in this historic house

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for the celebration
of the 200th anniversary

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of the United States,

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but I refer to the words that were spoken

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by those who at the time
of the Declaration of Independence

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thought of the mission of America,

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what America could mean to the world.

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And one of them said
that we act not just for ourselves,

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but for all mankind.

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<i>♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man</i> ♪

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<i>♪ Play a song for me... ♪</i>

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Saigon had fallen.

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People had seemed to, uh,
lost their sense of,

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uh, conviction for...

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for just about anything.

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<i>♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man...</i> ♪

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Lot of arguments about why...

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America was chased out of Vietnam...

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in such a humiliating way.

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Two people tried to shoot the president
in one month.

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<i>♪ Take me on a trip
Upon your magic... ♪</i>

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Let us set for our goal in 1976

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to move forward in the realm
of the American spirit.

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<i>♪ My hands can't feel to grip ♪</i>

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That the opportunity that everybody
in this room has had...

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is something that is a realizable dream

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that can be achieved

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for anyone who has the good fortune
to be born in this country,

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or anyone who has the good fortune
to come to this country.

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<i>♪ Ready for to fade
Into my own parade... ♪</i>

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The idea was to put a tour up,

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combination of different acts
on the same stage

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for a variety of, uh, musical styles.

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I wouldn't say it was a, uh,
traditional revue,

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but it was in the, uh, traditional...
um...

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form of, uh, of a revue.

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That's all clumsy bullshit.

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- Okay.
- Y'know.

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- So what...
- I'm trying to get to the...

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To the core thing.

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To the core of what
this Rolling Thunder thing is all about,

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and I don't have a clue,

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because it's not... It's about nothing.

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It's a... It's just something that happened
40 years ago.

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And that's the truth of it.

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- Why don't we go down that road?
- Okay, we can.

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Let's go.

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All right, let's go.

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I don't remember a thing
about Rolling Thunder.

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- Okay.
- I mean, it... it happened

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so long ago, I wasn't even born, you know?

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Uh, I... So, what do you wanna know?

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<i>♪ And take me disappearing ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Through the smoke rings of my mind ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Down the foggy ruins of time ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Far past the frozen leaves ♪</i>

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<i>♪ The haunted, frightened trees ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Out to the windy beach ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Far from the twisted reach
Of crazy sorrow ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky ♪</i>

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<i>♪ With one hand waving free ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Silhouetted by the sea ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Circled by the circus sands ♪</i>

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<i>♪ With all memory and fate ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Driven deep beneath the waves ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Let me forget about today
Until tomorrow ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Play a song for me ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I'm not sleepy... ♪</i>

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Is that Bob Dylan?
That is Bob Dylan!

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Life isn't about finding yourself...

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or finding anything.
Life is about creating yourself.

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- Playing tonight?
- And creating things.

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And I want to introduce
another fine...

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entertainer here at Folk City,

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so everybody...

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Summer, 1975.

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It was a very odd scene in New York.

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Unusual. Sort of.
The folk era had died out. Or did it?

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Joan Baez

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and her friend Bob Dylan!

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Let's have a nice hand for Joan Baez...

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Rumor came around
that the inspired Dylan was back,

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gathering all... all his forces.

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<i>♪ When ev'rything that I'm sayin' ♪</i>

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<i>♪ You can say it just as good ♪</i>

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Woo!

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And pretty soon,
they were all jamming together

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as if they were young musicians
having fun,

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actually in direct contact
with each other.

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<i>♪ And all the hills echoèd ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And all the hills echoèd ♪</i>

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<i>♪ My name is Juanano de Castro ♪</i>

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Lord...

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<i>♪ My father was a Spanish grandee ♪</i>

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Excuse me, please!

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We're really running short of time.
I wanna introduce...

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Miss Patti Smith and Eric Anderson.

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Let's have a nice hand.

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Let's hear it! Get up here!

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There was a...

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There was an archer...

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There was an archer who was in love
with his sister.

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So, the archer looked at his sister

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and he said,

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"All the madness
between me and you is real private."

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But the sister was too scared,
so the sister...

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the sister put down her cigarette
and she married the sultan.

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So the archer became a... the archer
for the king.

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So, it was the wedding night,
and the sultan and the sister

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were gonna get married.

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And so...

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the archer went out the door,
and he had on his armor,

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and he was going. There was all, like...

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You know how like the gran... ground was
in 16th-century Japan?

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It was black and green like a chessboard.

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So the archer was walking
on the black part of the chessboard,

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and he looked
at the black part of the chessboard,

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and it looked
like the back of his sister's hair.

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And so...

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You know how it is.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, it looked... Oh, what a mess.

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Looked like the back of his sister's hair,

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and so he couldn't advance
and be the king's archer no more,

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because he looked over at the palace,
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he saw his sister undressing

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for the sultan.

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So the prince took off a...
took off all his armor,

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and he started walking toward the palace.

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He started walking in another direction,

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started walking in another dimension,

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started walking in another dimension.

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He moved in another dimension.

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<i>♪ I move in another dimension ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I move in another dimension ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I move in another dimension ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I move in another dimension ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And he kept on walking ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And he walked real slow ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Here is the first archer ♪</i>

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<i>♪ In rock 'n' roll ♪</i>

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<i>♪ He walked toward the palace ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Toward the palace of answers ♪</i>

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<i>♪ He took big steps ♪</i>

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<i>♪ He took big steps ♪</i>

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<i>♪ He walked seven ways ♪</i>

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<i>♪ He walked seven ways ♪</i>

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<i>♪ He freed the elements ♪</i>

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<i>♪ The hurricane just burst
From his hands ♪</i>

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<i>♪ You are my sunshine ♪</i>

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<i>- ♪ My only sunshine ♪</i>
- Let's go!

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<i>♪ You make me happy</i> ♪

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<i>- ♪ When skies are gray ♪</i>
- Whoopee!

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<i>♪ You'll never know, dear
How much I... ♪</i>

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October, November, uh...

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Dylan might have some idea
to do something.

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Sort of like a... con man,

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carny medicine show of old,

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where you just get in a bus
and go from town...

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or a carriage, and go from town to town.

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It's like Dylan is taking us out to try
and give us each... He's presenting us.

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I mean, that's his conception.
I mean, it hasn't been made overt.

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His idea is, uh...

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to show how beautiful he is...

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...by showing how beautiful we are...

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by showing how beautiful...

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the ensemble is.

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So, it's to show the actual community.

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Which is way... the way... the way life is,
the way that life of poets is.

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<i>♪ I live in an apartment ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Sink leaks through the walls ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Lower East Side full of bedbugs ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Junkies in the halls ♪</i>

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<i>♪ House been broken into ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Tibetan thangkas stole ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Speed freaks took my statues ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And made my love a fool ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Speed freaks took my statues ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And made my love a fool ♪</i>

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- Do you wanna hear more or...?
- Yeah.

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I got this big audition.

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There was this party
at Allen Ginsberg's apartment.

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And that's where you met Dylan?

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Uh, yes.

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- What did you think of him?
- Uh, Dylan was fine.

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There were all these crazy people,

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all getting high and coming up to him

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and spinning faster and faster,
and Bob didn't react.

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I think he just, uh,
watched the whole thing.

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I think he liked the chaos.

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<i>♪ I am a rake and a rambling boy ♪</i>

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<i>♪ There's many a city I did enjoy ♪</i>

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- Woo!
<i>- ♪ But now I married me a better wife ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And I love her dearer
Than I love my life ♪</i>

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My idea was
to have a kind of a jug band,

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uh, for the whole show,

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something, uh, along the lines
of maybe, uh, Kweskin Jug Band...

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but that didn't happen.

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They were in the middle
of the rehearsals at SIR Studio,

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and I talked to Levy, and he asked Dylan
if it was all right for me to shoot

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B-roll of the rehearsal.

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Dylan was all right with it,
but Levy told me there was no budget.

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Because I thought that this was really
going to go somewhere,

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I took all the money that I had,

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and I paid for everything
out of my own pocket.

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- Did Bob like you?
- I don't know, who knows?

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He was...
It was like looking into a mirror.

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You either saw what you wanted to see,

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or you hated what you saw.

241
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I can tell you this,
back then I used to smoke,

242
00:13:16,420 --> 00:13:18,214
and I held my cigarette like this,

243
00:13:18,297 --> 00:13:19,924
you know, the European style.

244
00:13:20,216 --> 00:13:23,928
After that night at Ginsberg's,
Bob started holding it like that, too.

245
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That was me.

246
00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:27,306
<i>♪ Rita May, Rita May ♪</i>

247
00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:30,893
<i>♪ How did you ever get that way? ♪</i>

248
00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:34,688
<i>♪ When'd you ever see the light? ♪</i>

249
00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,526
<i>♪ Don't you ever feel afraid? ♪</i>

250
00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:42,905
<i>♪ You got me burning and a-turning ♪</i>

251
00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:44,740
<i>♪ But I know I must be learning ♪</i>

252
00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:45,824
<i>♪ Rita May ♪</i>

253
00:13:49,328 --> 00:13:52,665
<i>♪ And I don't sense affection ♪</i>

254
00:13:52,748 --> 00:13:55,251
<i>♪ No gratitude or love ♪</i>

255
00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,588
<i>♪ Your loyalty is not to me ♪</i>

256
00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:02,508
<i>- ♪ But to the stars above ♪</i>
- Yeah!

257
00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:08,097
<i>♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪</i>

258
00:14:10,891 --> 00:14:15,271
<i>♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪</i>

259
00:14:16,772 --> 00:14:19,191
<i>♪ To the valley below ♪</i>

260
00:14:21,902 --> 00:14:25,197
I was going
to a jazz musician friend of mine house

261
00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:26,615
in the Lower East Side,

262
00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:31,829
and I was just about to cross the street,
and a car cut me off.

263
00:14:33,122 --> 00:14:34,122
It was Bob.

264
00:14:34,456 --> 00:14:35,541
It was Dylan.

265
00:14:37,126 --> 00:14:38,126
And...

266
00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:40,838
It was never verbalized.

267
00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:43,257
I knew who he was, or he knew I knew.

268
00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:45,676
Just sort of passed, you know.

269
00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:50,431
We just played music all day
and all night.

270
00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:54,393
We went to The Bottom Line
and played with Muddy Waters,

271
00:14:54,810 --> 00:14:58,022
and we went that night
to Victoria Spivey's house.

272
00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:00,357
She's an old blues singer.

273
00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:02,066
And, um...

274
00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:06,405
we played music
till about six in the morning.

275
00:15:06,488 --> 00:15:07,740
It was really great.

276
00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:10,034
She wears a turtle...

277
00:15:10,117 --> 00:15:13,245
<i>♪ She wears a turtleneck sweater ♪</i>

278
00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:15,122
<i>♪ And a nylon shoe ♪</i>

279
00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:20,377
<i>♪ She wears a turtleneck sweater ♪</i>

280
00:15:21,086 --> 00:15:23,505
<i>♪ And a nylon shoe ♪</i>

281
00:15:26,175 --> 00:15:28,302
<i>♪ There's nothing she won't say ♪</i>

282
00:15:28,385 --> 00:15:30,888
<i>♪ And there's nothing that she won't do ♪</i>

283
00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:39,021
There are 52 people.
If each person asks him is he okay,

284
00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:42,983
it becomes a long, hard
question and answer period for him.

285
00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:44,902
Is the light bothering him?

286
00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:46,487
Is the guitar right?

287
00:15:46,737 --> 00:15:48,072
Does he like the lighting?

288
00:15:48,155 --> 00:15:49,657
Is the sound monitor okay?

289
00:15:49,907 --> 00:15:53,077
He's a big man,
and he knows what he wants.

290
00:15:53,327 --> 00:15:55,371
♪ No llores, mi querida ♪

291
00:15:56,121 --> 00:15:57,998
♪ Dios nos vigila ♪

292
00:15:58,707 --> 00:16:03,087
<i>♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪</i>

293
00:16:04,254 --> 00:16:05,881
Five ten.

294
00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:07,992
- Five ten?
- Yeah.

295
00:16:09,259 --> 00:16:10,259
So what does he do?

296
00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,972
He's a director.

297
00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:14,181
Theater.

298
00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:15,264
Theater?

299
00:16:16,308 --> 00:16:17,476
But that's not...

300
00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:20,396
That's why I'm saying it's tricky
because it's not marriage, is it?

301
00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:21,998
I mean, unless you actually make it...

302
00:16:22,022 --> 00:16:24,274
Well, I mean,
maybe marriage to the theater.

303
00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:26,860
But when you said marriage,

304
00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:29,780
I assumed you... you meant marriage
between two people.

305
00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:31,365
- Yeah.
- Did you?

306
00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:32,825
Well, no, mental marriage.

307
00:16:33,242 --> 00:16:34,952
- Mental marriage?
- Yeah.

308
00:16:35,411 --> 00:16:37,955
Ah, well, that's interesting.

309
00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:43,919
<i>♪ Some speak of the future ♪</i>

310
00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,798
<i>♪ My love, she speaks softly ♪</i>

311
00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:51,844
<i>♪ 'Cause there's no success like failure ♪</i>

312
00:16:52,302 --> 00:16:55,556
<i>♪ And failure's no success at all ♪</i>

313
00:16:57,558 --> 00:16:58,600
Hey!

314
00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:01,821
I'm doing a... a thing on a tour
for <i>Rolling Stone </i>magazine.

315
00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:02,998
- Yes.
- Okay?

316
00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,107
And... And basically, I saw Bob leave,

317
00:17:05,566 --> 00:17:09,945
uh, after that... uh, um, the dialogue
you did with him, the marriage thing.

318
00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:10,904
Yes.

319
00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:14,616
And he said to one of the cameramen,
"That is hot. That was a hot scene."

320
00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,511
- Okay.
- Oh, I'm really flattered. I'm touched.

321
00:17:16,535 --> 00:17:18,871
Okay, now, look,
I... I... I just wanna know,

322
00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:21,182
how did... how did it happen?
I mean, was it set up?

323
00:17:21,206 --> 00:17:22,966
- It happened... No.
- Was it a set up scene?

324
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,376
It was totally spontaneous.

325
00:17:24,752 --> 00:17:26,545
I was on my way to the bathroom...

326
00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:27,588
Yeah.

327
00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:31,759
...when, uh, on my way, uh,
Mel Howard introduced me to Bob Dylan.

328
00:17:31,925 --> 00:17:34,053
What... What did you say?
And what was your point...

329
00:17:34,136 --> 00:17:36,072
- What did I say to...
- In the conversation to Bob?

330
00:17:36,096 --> 00:17:38,474
Well, it was a sort of free...

331
00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:42,037
- uh, going from one thing to another.
- Freewheeling?

332
00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:43,163
- Freewheeling.
- It wasn't...

333
00:17:43,187 --> 00:17:45,856
It wasn't meant to be specifically...
specifically that.

334
00:17:45,939 --> 00:17:47,699
Yeah, but you started talking
about marriage.

335
00:17:47,733 --> 00:17:48,901
Out of the blue,

336
00:17:48,984 --> 00:17:51,445
- the subject of marriage came up.
- But what did you say?

337
00:17:51,528 --> 00:17:55,115
<i>♪ Come gather 'round, fellers ♪</i>

338
00:17:55,324 --> 00:18:00,537
<i>♪ So young and so fine ♪</i>

339
00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:04,666
<i>♪ And seek not your fortune ♪</i>

340
00:18:05,501 --> 00:18:09,171
<i>♪ Down in the mine ♪</i>

341
00:18:10,422 --> 00:18:12,257
♪ <i>It will form... ♪</i>

342
00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:16,053
Was the idea to make
a behind-the-scenes film of the tour?

343
00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:18,136
I think that's
what they were expecting.

344
00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:20,891
They just thought that
I was going to make it a concert film,

345
00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:23,414
but I was trying to make something
really serious out of this.

346
00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:27,189
First, what I wanted to show was
musicians working together,

347
00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:28,524
making music together.

348
00:18:28,732 --> 00:18:30,234
That was them doing their job.

349
00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:31,777
That was, you know,

350
00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:34,988
that was as if I went to film my father
in his shoe store.

351
00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:36,489
Focus in on that.

352
00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:38,867
What is that, Patti?

353
00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,203
I seen th... this Rimbaud book,

354
00:18:41,453 --> 00:18:43,163
and I saw this picture.

355
00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,916
I saw this vogue picture,
and I thought it looked like you,

356
00:18:45,999 --> 00:18:48,001
- and I thought he was a neat guy, y'know?
- Yeah?

357
00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:51,797
And I thought you were neat, so I used to,
like, pretend he was my boyfriend.

358
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,341
Or if... Or if you were.
You know, it doesn't matter, right?

359
00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:55,259
So anyway...

360
00:18:55,342 --> 00:18:56,426
What did you say?

361
00:18:56,510 --> 00:18:57,761
- What did I say?
- Yeah.

362
00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:00,681
I gave my thoughts on...

363
00:19:00,764 --> 00:19:03,267
He spoke about <i>mental </i>marriage.

364
00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:05,036
- When he asked me...
- Mental marriage?

365
00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:06,979
Uh, Superman takes a piece of coal,

366
00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:09,648
and he puts it in his hand,
and he starts squeezing it,

367
00:19:09,731 --> 00:19:11,942
and squeezing it, and squeezing it,
and squeezing it,

368
00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:13,425
and then it becomes like a diamond.

369
00:19:13,485 --> 00:19:14,485
- It's real hard.
- Yeah.

370
00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:16,280
And then, like, he drops it
on the ground,

371
00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:17,674
- on the baseball diamond.
- Yeah.

372
00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:20,258
And the kids, the kids keep kicking it,
the kids keep kicking it.

373
00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:21,804
- Yeah.
- Then it goes round and round.

374
00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:23,909
And after years and years
of kids kicking it around,

375
00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:26,456
it gets smooth, but it's not...
It's just changed.

376
00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:29,418
It's still the same crystal,
but it's smooth, so it's a crystal ball.

377
00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:30,941
So it's sitting there in the middle,

378
00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:33,815
the crystal ball is sitting there
in the middle of the baseball diamond.

379
00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:35,279
- Right.
- Okay? Now you can look in.

380
00:19:39,469 --> 00:19:41,889
I hated the <i>ristelaars...</i>

381
00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:44,141
the, you know, the... the facilitators.

382
00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:46,518
You know,
the... the people hanging around him.

383
00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:49,021
People pretending that they had access,

384
00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:50,772
so that they could behave badly.

385
00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:52,649
This film was going to show

386
00:19:52,733 --> 00:19:56,236
the counterpoint
between the... the excesses of the people

387
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,031
on the tour
and the dissolution of society.

388
00:19:59,281 --> 00:20:01,450
- Come on, everybody.
- Allen!

389
00:20:01,533 --> 00:20:03,911
I wanted to show
the land of Pet Rocks

390
00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,371
and Super Slurpees from 7-Eleven.

391
00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:08,415
<i>L'Amérique insolite.</i>

392
00:20:09,499 --> 00:20:12,836
I would go on the road
with the Rolling Thunder Revue.

393
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,379
Right here.

394
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:17,341
See you Thursday.

395
00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:22,804
<i>This is a true story.
Actually, they're all true.</i>

396
00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:26,350
Boy. Sure hope we get to Boston on time.

397
00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:45,327
<i>♪ I married Isis ♪</i>

398
00:20:45,577 --> 00:20:47,079
<i>♪ On the fifth day of May ♪</i>

399
00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,498
<i>♪ But I could not hold on ♪</i>

400
00:20:49,957 --> 00:20:51,250
<i>♪ To her very long ♪</i>

401
00:20:51,792 --> 00:20:53,335
<i>♪ So I cut off my hair ♪</i>

402
00:20:53,835 --> 00:20:55,462
<i>♪ And I rode straight away ♪</i>

403
00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:57,756
<i>♪ For the wild, unknown country ♪</i>

404
00:20:57,839 --> 00:20:59,591
<i>♪ Where I could not go wrong ♪</i>

405
00:21:00,175 --> 00:21:01,969
<i>♪ I came to a high place ♪</i>

406
00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:03,804
<i>♪ Of darkness and light ♪</i>

407
00:21:04,137 --> 00:21:06,098
<i>♪ The dividing line ran ♪</i>

408
00:21:06,181 --> 00:21:07,808
<i>♪ Through the center of town ♪</i>

409
00:21:08,308 --> 00:21:10,102
<i>♪ I hitched up my pony ♪</i>

410
00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:12,145
<i>♪ To a post on the right ♪</i>

411
00:21:12,396 --> 00:21:14,064
<i>♪ Went into a laundry ♪</i>

412
00:21:14,147 --> 00:21:16,149
<i>♪ To wash my clothes down ♪</i>

413
00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:18,193
<i>♪ A man in the corner ♪</i>

414
00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:20,195
<i>♪ Approached me for a match ♪</i>

415
00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:22,322
<i>♪ I knew right away ♪</i>

416
00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:24,116
<i>♪ He was not ordinary ♪</i>

417
00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:26,118
<i>♪ He said, "Are you looking ♪</i>

418
00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:28,495
<i>♪ For something easy to catch?" ♪</i>

419
00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:30,122
<i>♪ I said, "I got no money, man" ♪</i>

420
00:21:30,205 --> 00:21:32,624
<i>♪ He said, "That ain't necessary" ♪</i>

421
00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,934
<i>♪ We set out that night ♪</i>

422
00:21:51,101 --> 00:21:52,853
<i>♪ For the cold in the north ♪</i>

423
00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,105
<i>♪ I gave him my blanket ♪</i>

424
00:21:55,188 --> 00:21:56,732
<i>♪ And he gave me his word ♪</i>

425
00:21:57,357 --> 00:21:58,984
<i>♪ I said, "Where we goin'?" ♪</i>

426
00:21:59,067 --> 00:22:01,028
<i>♪ He said, "We be back by the fourth" ♪</i>

427
00:22:01,403 --> 00:22:03,196
<i>♪ I said, "That's the best news ♪</i>

428
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,198
<i>♪ That I've ever heard" ♪</i>

429
00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:07,200
<i>♪ I was thinkin' about turquoise ♪</i>

430
00:22:07,284 --> 00:22:09,244
<i>♪ I was thinkin' about gold ♪</i>

431
00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:11,163
<i>♪ I was thinkin' about diamonds ♪</i>

432
00:22:11,246 --> 00:22:13,373
<i>♪ And the world's biggest necklace ♪</i>

433
00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:15,459
<i>♪ As we rode through the canyons ♪</i>

434
00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:17,419
<i>♪ Through the devilish cold ♪</i>

435
00:22:17,544 --> 00:22:19,254
<i>♪ I was thinkin' about Isis ♪</i>

436
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,757
<i>♪ How she thought I was so reckless ♪</i>

437
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,385
<i>♪ She told me, though, that one day
We would meet up again ♪</i>

438
00:22:25,886 --> 00:22:27,763
<i>♪ And things would be different ♪</i>

439
00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:29,681
<i>♪ The next time we wed ♪</i>

440
00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:31,767
<i>♪ If I could only just hang on ♪</i>

441
00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:33,685
<i>♪ And be her friend ♪</i>

442
00:22:34,144 --> 00:22:35,729
<i>♪ I still can't remember ♪</i>

443
00:22:35,812 --> 00:22:37,773
<i>♪ All the best things she said ♪</i>

444
00:22:54,414 --> 00:22:56,166
<i>♪ We came to the pyramids ♪</i>

445
00:22:56,249 --> 00:22:57,959
<i>♪ All embedded in ice ♪</i>

446
00:22:58,251 --> 00:22:59,753
<i>♪ He said, "There's a body ♪</i>

447
00:22:59,836 --> 00:23:02,005
<i>♪ That I'm tryin' to find ♪</i>

448
00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:03,882
<i>♪ If I carry it out ♪</i>

449
00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,093
<i>♪ It'll bring a good price" ♪</i>

450
00:23:06,426 --> 00:23:07,969
<i>♪ 'Twas then that I knew ♪</i>

451
00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,138
<i>♪ What he had on his mind ♪</i>

452
00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:12,182
<i>♪ Well, the wind, it was howlin' ♪</i>

453
00:23:12,265 --> 00:23:14,267
<i>♪ And the snow was outrageous ♪</i>

454
00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:16,019
<i>♪ We chopped through the night ♪</i>

455
00:23:16,269 --> 00:23:18,271
<i>♪ And we chopped through the dawn ♪</i>

456
00:23:18,355 --> 00:23:20,315
<i>♪ When he died, I was hopin' ♪</i>

457
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,275
<i>♪ That it wasn't contagious ♪</i>

458
00:23:22,442 --> 00:23:24,403
<i>♪ But I made up my mind ♪</i>

459
00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:26,488
<i>♪ That I had to get on ♪</i>

460
00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:44,673
<i>♪ I picked up his body ♪</i>

461
00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:46,258
<i>♪ And I dragged him inside ♪</i>

462
00:23:46,716 --> 00:23:48,427
<i>♪ Threw him down in a hole ♪</i>

463
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,429
<i>♪ And I put back the cover ♪</i>

464
00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:52,514
<i>♪ I said a quick prayer ♪</i>

465
00:23:52,681 --> 00:23:54,558
<i>♪ Just to feel satisfied ♪</i>

466
00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:56,518
<i>♪ Then I went back to find Isis ♪</i>

467
00:23:56,601 --> 00:23:58,812
<i>♪ Just to tell her I love her ♪</i>

468
00:23:58,895 --> 00:24:00,730
<i>♪ She was there in the meadow ♪</i>

469
00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:03,191
<i>♪ Where the creek used to rise ♪</i>

470
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:04,818
<i>♪ Blinded by sleep ♪</i>

471
00:24:04,901 --> 00:24:06,903
<i>♪ And in need of a bed ♪</i>

472
00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:08,697
<i>♪ I came in from the East ♪</i>

473
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:10,907
<i>♪ With the sun in my eyes ♪</i>

474
00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,703
<i>♪ I cursed her one time
Then I rode on ahead ♪</i>

475
00:24:15,078 --> 00:24:16,830
<i>♪ She said, "Where you been?" ♪</i>

476
00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:19,082
<i>♪ I said, "No place special" ♪</i>

477
00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:22,544
<i>♪ She said, "You look different"
I said, "Well, I guess" ♪</i>

478
00:24:23,211 --> 00:24:24,671
<i>♪ She said, "You been gone" ♪</i>

479
00:24:24,754 --> 00:24:28,508
<i>♪ I said, "That's only natural"
She said, "You gonna stay?" ♪</i>

480
00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:31,178
<i>♪ I said, "If you want me to, yeah!" ♪</i>

481
00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:49,529
<i>♪ Isis, oh, Isis ♪</i>

482
00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:51,281
<i>♪ You a mystical child ♪</i>

483
00:24:51,531 --> 00:24:53,366
<i>♪ What drives me to you ♪</i>

484
00:24:53,533 --> 00:24:55,494
<i>♪ Is what drives me insane ♪</i>

485
00:24:55,952 --> 00:24:57,496
<i>♪ I still can remember ♪</i>

486
00:24:57,579 --> 00:24:59,623
<i>♪ The way that you smiled ♪</i>

487
00:24:59,706 --> 00:25:01,541
<i>♪ On the fifth day of May ♪</i>

488
00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,044
<i>♪ In the drizzlin' rain ♪</i>

489
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:36,450
Hi, Bob.

490
00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:39,162
- Hi, what you guys want? An interview?
- Sure.

491
00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,248
- Ah, wh...
- How was it, Bob?

492
00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:42,874
How was what?

493
00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:46,503
What did Bob say about the tour?

494
00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:48,773
I never asked him anything
because, you know,

495
00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:50,507
he wouldn't answer direct questions.

496
00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:52,425
Dylan, you're beautiful.

497
00:25:53,927 --> 00:25:56,263
Bob!

498
00:25:57,639 --> 00:25:58,890
A legend is in town,

499
00:25:58,974 --> 00:26:01,518
and it's not just another...
rock 'n' roll show.

500
00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:03,853
I mean, it's rock 'n' roll,
but it's a special event.

501
00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:05,897
where rock 'n' roll
has four or five legends,

502
00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:09,234
this is one of them, and maybe
the biggest one at the present time.

503
00:26:18,952 --> 00:26:21,705
Not to brag,
but Rolling Thunder was kinda my idea,

504
00:26:21,788 --> 00:26:22,622
you know.

505
00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:24,958
Bob had done that tour with The Band
a few years back,

506
00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:26,918
and that was super successful,

507
00:26:27,002 --> 00:26:30,297
and then Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
were filling 50,000 seats a night.

508
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,633
And Zeppelin was huge.
I mean, there was money everywhere.

509
00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:36,344
You know, all you had to do
was bend down, pick it up.

510
00:26:36,636 --> 00:26:40,682
So, I had an idea that some kind of revue
with Bob would be a gold mine.

511
00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:42,976
So I went off and pitched the idea,

512
00:26:43,059 --> 00:26:45,145
and a bunch of local promoters
were interested.

513
00:26:45,645 --> 00:26:48,440
And then by the time I was done,
I ended up with 15 headliners.

514
00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:53,445
<i>♪ I'm gonna have to go to college
'Cause you are... ♪</i>

515
00:26:53,528 --> 00:26:55,488
Now you've asked for it!

516
00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:58,199
We took a big risk. And, uh, you know,

517
00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:01,578
you had to put up the money,
get everybody, you know, hotels, catering,

518
00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:03,371
cars, all this stuff, buses.

519
00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:07,542
And you had to keep all these guys happy
and, you know, focused.

520
00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:11,004
And so... And that was, you loaded up
before you went out on the road.

521
00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:14,174
Then you hope you got paid.
And you hope the show worked.

522
00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:17,632
Did you have any interaction with Bob?

523
00:27:17,677 --> 00:27:20,096
The only time I saw Bob
was when he was onstage

524
00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:21,306
or driving the bus.

525
00:27:21,514 --> 00:27:23,308
You know? Bob kept to himself.

526
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:25,852
How did it become
"Rolling Thunder Revue"?

527
00:27:25,935 --> 00:27:28,271
Well, I asked Bob.
He said originally he was gonna call it

528
00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:29,522
Montezuma's Revue,

529
00:27:29,689 --> 00:27:30,982
but then he said he was home,

530
00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:34,110
and he was just kind of trying to think
of a name for the tour,

531
00:27:34,194 --> 00:27:36,613
when all of a sudden in the sky,
he heard, "Boom!"

532
00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:38,948
And then, from left to right,

533
00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:40,075
punctuating the sky,

534
00:27:40,241 --> 00:27:41,534
"Boom, boom, boom, boom!"

535
00:27:41,993 --> 00:27:44,579
So he said,
"Hey, let's call it 'Rolling Thunder.'"

536
00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:45,997
So before we even left,

537
00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:48,083
Chesley Millikin, who was on the tour,
says,

538
00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:50,519
"Bob, you know what 'rolling thunder'
means to the Indians?"

539
00:27:50,543 --> 00:27:53,588
And he goes, "What, man?"
And Chesley goes, "Speaking truth."

540
00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:56,299
And then Bob goes,
"I'm glad to hear that, man."

541
00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,260
Of course, later on we found out
that Rolling Thunder was actually

542
00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:02,180
the code name
for, uh, Nixon's bombing of Cambodia.

543
00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:06,518
And that Guam, the backup band,
was the base that, uh, they took off from.

544
00:28:06,601 --> 00:28:08,081
So, who knows what the real story is.

545
00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:11,564
This is the leaflet for a concert
they're having in town next week.

546
00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:15,276
Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Jack Elliott.

547
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,903
Right in the Civic Center.

548
00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,186
You know me,
I'm too old for that kind of stuff.

549
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:20,365
Oh, well.

550
00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:22,742
- Okay.
- So...

551
00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:24,577
when did you first hear about Bob?

552
00:28:25,328 --> 00:28:28,289
This is like a... a...
It sounds like a fairy tale,

553
00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:31,292
but all... a lot of the...

554
00:28:31,459 --> 00:28:34,671
It doesn't happen continuously
for more than a few days at a time,

555
00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:36,589
but a lot of my life,

556
00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:39,968
I feel like I really am leading
a charmed life,

557
00:28:40,051 --> 00:28:44,139
because miracles start happening
in threes or fours.

558
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:46,789
One thing I could tell you
about Ramblin' Jack,

559
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,436
he's more of a sailor than a singer.

560
00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:54,149
He can tie a bowline, a clove hitch,
and he could tie a rolling hitch,

561
00:28:54,816 --> 00:28:55,942
all blindfolded.

562
00:28:56,025 --> 00:28:58,361
If you're ever on a boat or sailing ship,

563
00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:03,616
you would rather have Ramblin' Jack
there as a sailor than a singer.

564
00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:07,454
<i>♪ Now, London is a fine town
For sailors ♪</i>

565
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:12,167
<i>♪ California and back to France, so... ♪</i>

566
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,812
Which would you rather be,
the Pilgrims or the Indians?

567
00:29:14,836 --> 00:29:16,963
- Pilgrims.
- Why the Pilgrims?

568
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:18,784
Why do you wanna be the Pilgrims?

569
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,217
'Cause the Pilgrims all land
and they turn into wax dolls,

570
00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:23,595
and they're wax dolls
for the rest of the universe.

571
00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:24,929
So the Indians.

572
00:29:25,054 --> 00:29:28,433
Well, you know, the Indians, that's true...
Well, we're all wax dolls, so...

573
00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:33,396
The first concert will take place
in Plymouth...

574
00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:38,193
Uh, where the, uh, Pilgrims stepped
off their <i>Mayflower.</i>

575
00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:40,570
We're... as if we're... we're Pilgrims.

576
00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:42,697
Pilgrims in the sense of searchers,

577
00:29:43,239 --> 00:29:45,241
looking for the, uh, kingdom of a nation

578
00:29:45,992 --> 00:29:47,744
with maybe a different intention.

579
00:29:48,244 --> 00:29:49,871
Making America a kingdom of poetry,

580
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:51,080
a nation of poetry.

581
00:30:05,136 --> 00:30:07,138
Well, look at this. Lookit.

582
00:30:07,388 --> 00:30:09,108
Have you ever heard of Bob Dylan?

583
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:11,518
- Yeah.
- Yeah, I've heard of Bob Dylan, Joan Baez,

584
00:30:11,601 --> 00:30:12,601
Bob Neuwirth.

585
00:30:13,311 --> 00:30:16,731
...performing
at Memorial Auditorium. Anybody?

586
00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:18,691
Pass 'em out.

587
00:30:19,567 --> 00:30:21,736
<i>♪ I left Rome ♪</i>

588
00:30:23,488 --> 00:30:25,698
<i>♪ And pulled into Brussels ♪</i>

589
00:30:27,617 --> 00:30:29,285
<i>♪ On a plane ride ♪</i>

590
00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:32,455
<i>♪ So bumpy that I almost cried ♪</i>

591
00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:37,544
<i>♪ Clergymen in uniform ♪</i>

592
00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:40,380
<i>♪ Young girls pullin' muscles ♪</i>

593
00:30:41,881 --> 00:30:44,175
<i>♪ Well, it sure has been ♪</i>

594
00:30:44,801 --> 00:30:47,136
<i>♪ One hell of a ride ♪</i>

595
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,558
<i>♪ Newspapermen ♪</i>

596
00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:55,270
<i>♪ Eating candy, ooh ♪</i>

597
00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:58,940
<i>♪ They had to be held back ♪</i>

598
00:30:59,315 --> 00:31:01,359
<i>♪ By big police ♪</i>

599
00:31:03,987 --> 00:31:08,783
<i>♪ Someday
Everything is gonna be different ♪</i>

600
00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:16,833
<i>♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪</i>

601
00:31:18,334 --> 00:31:19,544
<i>♪ Train wrecks ♪</i>

602
00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:23,339
<i>♪ Running through the back of my memory ♪</i>

603
00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:27,176
<i>♪ When I ran on the hilltop ♪</i>

604
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,971
<i>♪ Following a pack of wild geese ♪</i>

605
00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:37,562
<i>♪ Someday
Everything is gonna be beautiful ♪</i>

606
00:31:38,938 --> 00:31:45,069
<i>♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪</i>

607
00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:48,615
<i>♪ When I paint ♪</i>

608
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:56,122
<i>♪ That masterpiece ♪</i>

609
00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:06,132
Any idea why he would wear a mask?

610
00:32:06,215 --> 00:32:09,469
Are you being funny?

611
00:32:09,552 --> 00:32:11,363
Well, it was kind of a leading question.

612
00:32:11,387 --> 00:32:13,765
Yeah, okay.
Well, get to the point.

613
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,518
We didn't have enough masks on that tour.

614
00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:21,356
We should have had masks for everybody.

615
00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:23,483
When somebody's wearing a mask,

616
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:25,610
uh, he's gonna tell you the truth.

617
00:32:26,402 --> 00:32:27,402
Uh...

618
00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:30,406
when he's not wearing a mask,
it's highly unlikely.

619
00:32:30,823 --> 00:32:33,242
<i>Shocking Blue!</i>

620
00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:41,125
<i>♪ Her weapons were her crystal eyes ♪</i>

621
00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:44,420
<i>♪ Making every man mad ♪</i>

622
00:32:45,838 --> 00:32:48,091
I'd been filming Shocking Blue.

623
00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:50,927
Their song "Venus" was
at the top of the charts.

624
00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:53,471
- Wow!
- And we needed more footage.

625
00:32:53,846 --> 00:32:55,932
And at the time, I liked psychedelics.

626
00:32:56,432 --> 00:32:58,977
Oh, LSD was my drug of choice.

627
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:01,729
You know, it was trans... transformative.

628
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,067
And I filmed a lot of newspeople
and things from the TV,

629
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:09,070
like camera right on the TV,
like kinescoped,

630
00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,407
and I cut these serious things,
these speeches, with the rock 'n' roll.

631
00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:15,076
<i>♪ A goddess on a mountaintop ♪</i>

632
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:18,746
<i>♪ Was burning like a silver flame ♪</i>

633
00:33:19,622 --> 00:33:21,374
<i>♪ Well, I'm your Venus ♪</i>

634
00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:26,421
<i>- ♪ I'm your fire at your desire ♪
- </i>It was<i> brood en spelen, </i>uh...

635
00:33:26,504 --> 00:33:28,506
You know, like, "bread and circus."

636
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,676
I made an indictment of popular culture.

637
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,138
I called it "Burning Like A Silver Flame."

638
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:38,057
It played the local art film circuit,

639
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:41,394
uh, and it started to have
a life of its own.

640
00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:44,522
Um, later, when I won
the Heinrich Greif Award,

641
00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:45,982
America came calling.

642
00:34:05,334 --> 00:34:06,377
Van Dorp,

643
00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:08,504
I hadn't even heard of him before,

644
00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:11,382
but, uh, he seemed like an okay guy.

645
00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:12,925
I liked his film history.

646
00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:17,597
He did some film work
at Madame Tussauds Wax Museum.

647
00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:21,517
His idea was to, uh, make this film...

648
00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:26,230
appear to be like old newsreels
we used to see at movie theaters...

649
00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:27,898
growing up,

650
00:34:28,691 --> 00:34:30,610
which I thought was a splendid idea.

651
00:34:32,028 --> 00:34:35,198
Van Dorp, I wanted to tell you something.

652
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:41,954
I thought Sam would be perfect
for van Dorp to, uh, collaborate with,

653
00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:46,501
because Sam's got
that special knowledge of the underworld

654
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,379
that van Dorp didn't seem
to have a clue about.

655
00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:54,509
I think I asked him once,
"Sam, how you write all those plays?"

656
00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:55,592
And he said...

657
00:34:56,385 --> 00:34:57,553
"Man," he said,

658
00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,057
"it's like I commune with the dead."

659
00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:04,268
I said, "Yeah, yeah,

660
00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:08,231
uh, you'd have to
to write plays like that."

661
00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:11,651
And I asked him if he wanted to, uh,
write for, uh,

662
00:35:12,485 --> 00:35:15,029
this movie
that this guy van Dorp was making.

663
00:35:15,321 --> 00:35:20,576
And he went to meet with van Dorp,
and then he came back, and he said, uh...

664
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,787
he didn't know where the guy
was coming from,

665
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:25,081
but if I wanted him to do it, he would.

666
00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:27,583
So, that's how Sam got involved.

667
00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:30,419
I was living
in Homestead Valley, California,

668
00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:35,758
running a horse boarding farm.

669
00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:40,888
It was a little bit unclear
what... what exactly he wanted me to do.

670
00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:44,100
I was like a screenwriter
or writer for hire, you know.

671
00:35:44,183 --> 00:35:46,561
So, sure. So, I joined up.

672
00:35:47,353 --> 00:35:50,898
I was just kind of there for the ride,
basically,

673
00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:52,859
and... and as an observer

674
00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:57,238
and trying to make sense of something,
you know.

675
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,704
New England was just
experiencing the backbone

676
00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:06,789
of that economic fallout,

677
00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:10,376
you know, way back then,
it was, you know, desolate...

678
00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:13,838
Uh, really,
really difficult economic times, you know.

679
00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:17,341
People suffering behind that, you know.

680
00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:21,179
Rock 'n' roll was some kind of, a...

681
00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:23,181
I don't know, a kind of medicine
or something.

682
00:36:23,264 --> 00:36:25,104
Do you have tickets
for the concert?

683
00:36:25,141 --> 00:36:27,185
- Yeah.
- How come he's coming here?

684
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,896
I know, how come he picked
such a small place?

685
00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:32,773
Tickets are on sale at the collis...
the little Plymouth auditorium.

686
00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:37,801
Wasn't that the year
of the bicentennial, also?

687
00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:39,697
The bicentennial,

688
00:36:39,822 --> 00:36:41,502
particularly in the little towns,
you know,

689
00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,034
they didn't give a shit, you know.

690
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,453
"What is the bicen..."
You know what I mean?

691
00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:49,123
They... They certainly weren't celebrating
the... the birth of America. You know?

692
00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:52,043
- We love you, Bobby!
- Yeah!

693
00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:58,424
<i>♪ How many roads must a man walk down</i> ♪

694
00:36:59,717 --> 00:37:02,470
<i>♪ Before you call him a man? ♪</i>

695
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:07,850
<i>♪ How many seas must a white dove sail ♪</i>

696
00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:11,854
<i>♪ Before she sleeps in the sand? ♪</i>

697
00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:17,485
<i>♪ How many times
Must the cannonballs fly ♪</i>

698
00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:20,947
<i>♪ Before they're forever banned? ♪</i>

699
00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:24,492
<i>♪ The answer, my friend ♪</i>

700
00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:26,702
<i>♪ Is blowin' in the wind ♪</i>

701
00:37:26,953 --> 00:37:30,164
<i>♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind ♪</i>

702
00:37:33,042 --> 00:37:38,130
It always had this feeling of...
of almost a circus atmosphere,

703
00:37:38,547 --> 00:37:40,049
a dog and pony show sort of thing.

704
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,885
It's the first song
I ever heard Woody Guthrie sing

705
00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:44,470
on a little radio station.

706
00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,056
He was telling a story...

707
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:52,436
about traveling across the country
on freight trains,

708
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:54,480
and he had a fiddle with him...

709
00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:58,317
in a violin case.

710
00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:01,654
Every time the train would stop,

711
00:38:02,738 --> 00:38:06,784
police would come on and look through,
they'd see him with that violin case...

712
00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:10,538
make him open it up,

713
00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:13,374
and look inside.

714
00:38:14,208 --> 00:38:15,960
They was looking for an outlaw...

715
00:38:17,044 --> 00:38:18,754
named Pretty Boy Floyd,

716
00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:23,050
who was also traveling with a violin case.

717
00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:35,771
<i>♪ If you'll gather 'round me, children ♪</i>

718
00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:43,529
<i>♪ A story I will tell
About Pretty Boy Floyd, an outlaw ♪</i>

719
00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:48,617
<i>♪ Oklahoma knew him well ♪</i>

720
00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:53,456
I do recall sort of looking over,

721
00:38:53,539 --> 00:38:57,168
from a distance, Jack Elliott's shoulder
as he did his solo set.

722
00:38:58,210 --> 00:39:00,379
You know, that was something
so new to me, and...

723
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:02,757
gee, it seemed so authentic,

724
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,511
I had no idea he was, you know,
a Jewish dentist's son from Brooklyn.

725
00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,845
You know, you could've knocked me over
with a feather when I found that out.

726
00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,142
Ramblin' Jack!
Take a bow, Jack.

727
00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:18,143
I got another friend
for you to meet now.

728
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:32,536
They... They had an entity
about them, you know.

729
00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:34,497
It wasn't stardom.

730
00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:35,915
It wasn't people were looking at,

731
00:39:35,998 --> 00:39:37,792
"Oh, there's Dylan and there's Joan Baez."

732
00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:39,585
No, they were looking at a band.

733
00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:42,171
<i>♪ Well, I ride on a mailtrain, baby ♪</i>

734
00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,299
<i>♪ Can't buy a thrill ♪</i>

735
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,805
<i>♪ I been up all night, baby ♪</i>

736
00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:53,557
<i>♪ Leanin' on a windowsill ♪</i>

737
00:39:56,977 --> 00:39:59,623
Once again, good night
on behalf of the Rolling Thunder Revue.

738
00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:01,899
We thank you for coming. Good night.
Go in peace.

739
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:28,884
And particularly
with those songs

740
00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:32,847
that had this kind of saga element
about 'em, you know,

741
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:37,101
it had a rejuvenating effect, I think,
you know, it was very exhilarating.

742
00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:42,773
It was a feeling of exhilaration,
of... of... of being alive.

743
00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:45,943
It... That sounds corny, but it's true,
you know.

744
00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:48,821
Take, uh, Shakespeare, Will.

745
00:40:48,904 --> 00:40:52,158
He grew up
in, uh, uh, Stratford-on-Avon,

746
00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:54,702
you know, where the...
where these rivers cross,

747
00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:57,872
and it was on the way outskirts of London.

748
00:40:58,330 --> 00:41:01,208
And these troubadours and vagabonds

749
00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:07,131
and carnival people from all over
were coming into London to perform.

750
00:41:07,506 --> 00:41:10,426
And they would stop at this crossroads
of these rivers.

751
00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:15,139
And as a kid, he's seeing this,
and then he writes those fucking plays.

752
00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:17,183
You know?

753
00:41:18,517 --> 00:41:20,436
That's... extraordinary.

754
00:41:20,728 --> 00:41:23,564
You know,
that somebody is charged up like that

755
00:41:23,647 --> 00:41:26,692
from something passing
through their lives, you know.

756
00:41:26,942 --> 00:41:29,445
- Let me ask you a question.
- Sure.

757
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,865
What were you gonna do on Halloween night?

758
00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,117
What was I gonna do on Halloween night?

759
00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:37,328
Just get a buzz on.

760
00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:40,664
Nothing else to do.

761
00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:43,250
Yep, just party.

762
00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:50,841
♪ <i>Where have you been
My blue-eyed son? ♪</i>

763
00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:54,929
<i>♪ Where have you been
My darling young one? ♪</i>

764
00:41:57,598 --> 00:42:01,185
<i>♪ I've stumbled on the side
Of twelve misty mountains ♪</i>

765
00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:05,397
<i>♪ Walked and I've crawled
On six crooked highways ♪</i>

766
00:42:05,481 --> 00:42:08,484
<i>♪ Been in the middle
Of seven sad forests ♪</i>

767
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:12,279
<i>♪ Been out in front
Of a dozen dead oceans ♪</i>

768
00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:15,449
<i>♪ Been ten thousand miles
In the mouth of a graveyard ♪</i>

769
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:16,617
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

770
00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:18,911
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

771
00:42:18,994 --> 00:42:20,454
<i>♪ Well, it's a hard ♪</i>

772
00:42:21,121 --> 00:42:22,456
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

773
00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:25,876
<i>♪ Well, it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪</i>

774
00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:32,424
<i>♪ What did you see
My blue-eyed son? ♪</i>

775
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,637
<i>♪ What did you see
My darling young one? ♪</i>

776
00:42:38,722 --> 00:42:41,934
<i>♪ Saw a newborn baby
With wild wolves all around it ♪</i>

777
00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:45,604
<i>♪ I saw a highway of diamonds
With nobody on it ♪</i>

778
00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:49,233
<i>♪ Saw a black branch
With blood that kept drippin' ♪</i>

779
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,820
<i>♪ Saw a room full of men
With their hammers bleedin' ♪</i>

780
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,365
<i>♪ Saw a white ladder
Covered in water ♪</i>

781
00:42:56,699 --> 00:43:00,202
<i>♪ Saw ten thousand talkers
Whose tongues are all broken ♪</i>

782
00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:03,581
<i>♪ Guns and sharp swords
In the hands of young children ♪</i>

783
00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:04,873
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

784
00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:06,834
<i>♪ Well, it's a hard ♪</i>

785
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:08,669
<i>♪ Well, it's a hard ♪</i>

786
00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:10,629
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

787
00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:13,924
<i>♪ Oh, it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪</i>

788
00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:20,180
<i>♪ What did you hear
My blue-eyed son? ♪</i>

789
00:43:20,889 --> 00:43:24,310
<i>♪ What did you hear
My darling young one? ♪</i>

790
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:29,982
<i>♪ Heard the sound of a thunder
That roared out a warnin' ♪</i>

791
00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:33,819
<i>♪ Heard the roar of a wave
Could drown the whole world ♪</i>

792
00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:37,448
<i>♪ One person starved
I heard many people laughin' ♪</i>

793
00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:41,076
<i>♪ Heard the song of a poet
Who died in the gutter ♪</i>

794
00:43:41,327 --> 00:43:44,538
<i>♪ Heard the sound of a clown
Crying in the alley ♪</i>

795
00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,165
<i>- ♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>
- Yeah!

796
00:43:46,248 --> 00:43:47,708
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

797
00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:49,585
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

798
00:43:49,918 --> 00:43:51,295
<i>♪ Well, it's a hard ♪</i>

799
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:54,798
<i>♪ And it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪</i>

800
00:43:57,801 --> 00:44:00,888
<i>♪ Who did you meet
My blue-eyed son? ♪</i>

801
00:44:01,472 --> 00:44:06,060
<i>♪ Who did you meet
My darling young one? ♪</i>

802
00:44:07,603 --> 00:44:10,439
<i>♪ Met a young child
Beside a dead pony ♪</i>

803
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,109
<i>♪ Met a white man
Who walked a black dog ♪</i>

804
00:44:14,568 --> 00:44:17,613
<i>♪ Met one woman
Whose body was burning ♪</i>

805
00:44:17,988 --> 00:44:21,241
<i>♪ Met a young girl
She gave me a rainbow ♪</i>

806
00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:24,995
<i>♪ I met one man
Wounded in love ♪</i>

807
00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:28,123
<i>♪ Met another man
Wounded in hatred ♪</i>

808
00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:29,416
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

809
00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:31,251
<i>♪ Well, it's a hard ♪</i>

810
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,170
<i>♪ Well, it's a hard ♪</i>

811
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,963
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

812
00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:38,217
<i>♪ And it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪</i>

813
00:45:09,873 --> 00:45:12,835
<i>♪ What'll you do now
My blue-eyed son? ♪</i>

814
00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:17,047
<i>♪ What'll you do now
My darling young one? ♪</i>

815
00:45:19,174 --> 00:45:22,428
<i>♪ I'm goin' back out
When the rain starts a-fallin' ♪</i>

816
00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:25,889
<i>♪ Walk to the depths
Of the deepest dark forest ♪</i>

817
00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:29,393
<i>♪ Where the people are many
And their hands are all empty ♪</i>

818
00:45:29,643 --> 00:45:33,105
<i>♪ Where the pellets of poison
Are flooding their waters ♪</i>

819
00:45:33,188 --> 00:45:36,525
<i>♪ Where the home in the valley
Meets the damp, dirty prison ♪</i>

820
00:45:36,608 --> 00:45:40,028
<i>♪ Where the executioner's face
Is always well-hidden ♪</i>

821
00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:43,699
<i>♪ Where the hunger is ugly
Where souls are forgotten ♪</i>

822
00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:47,077
<i>♪ Where black is the color
None is the number ♪</i>

823
00:45:47,369 --> 00:45:50,706
<i>♪ And I'll tell it and think it
And speak it and breathe it ♪</i>

824
00:45:50,956 --> 00:45:54,460
<i>♪ Reflect from the mountain
So all souls can see it ♪</i>

825
00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:57,629
<i>♪ Then I'll stand on the ocean
Until I start sinkin' ♪</i>

826
00:45:57,838 --> 00:46:01,049
<i>♪ But I'll know my song well
Before I start singin' ♪</i>

827
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:02,176
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

828
00:46:02,676 --> 00:46:04,261
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

829
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:05,971
<i>♪ Well, it's a hard ♪</i>

830
00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:07,723
<i>♪ And it's a hard ♪</i>

831
00:46:08,015 --> 00:46:10,559
<i>♪ It's a hard rain gonna fall ♪</i>

832
00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:51,158
<i>- Hello?</i>
- Bob?

833
00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:52,368
- <i>Yeah.</i>
- This is Larry.

834
00:46:52,392 --> 00:46:54,520
- <i>Larry, how you doing?</i>
- You got a minute?

835
00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:56,605
I gotta do a story in an hour,

836
00:46:56,688 --> 00:46:59,107
and I just need
about two or three paragraphs.

837
00:47:00,108 --> 00:47:01,276
- <i>Okay.</i>
- Are you up?

838
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,611
<i>Yeah, sort of.</i>

839
00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,762
What do you... Why don't you
just talk about the music, okay?

840
00:47:10,786 --> 00:47:12,026
<i>What do you wanna know?</i>

841
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,199
I've never seen you
so fuckin' great onstage.

842
00:47:14,248 --> 00:47:16,542
I've never seen you so loose. How come?

843
00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:20,743
<i>Jesus Christ, you really got me
early in the morning, I can't even think.</i>

844
00:47:20,796 --> 00:47:22,464
<i>Uh...</i>

845
00:47:22,756 --> 00:47:25,634
<i>Well, it's just the element
I work best in, you know?</i>

846
00:47:25,884 --> 00:47:27,344
<i>You seen those Italian...</i>

847
00:47:27,427 --> 00:47:29,555
<i>those Italian troupes
that go around in Italy,</i>

848
00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:31,616
<i>- those Italian street theaters...</i>
- Yeah.

849
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,142
<i>The wagon, the wagon troupes,
Commedia dell'arte?</i>

850
00:47:34,226 --> 00:47:35,269
Yeah, right.

851
00:47:35,352 --> 00:47:37,813
<i>This is kind of an extension
of that, only musically.</i>

852
00:47:37,896 --> 00:47:39,916
- Music Commedia dell'arte?
<i>- Yeah.</i>

853
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:40,816
Come on, Red!

854
00:47:40,941 --> 00:47:42,067
Riva!

855
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:43,610
- Jane!
- Jane!

856
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:45,487
Get it, Merty!

857
00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:48,174
If somebody told you Bob Dylan
was coming to Providence,

858
00:47:48,198 --> 00:47:51,034
you probably wouldn't believe them,
but he is, along with Joan Baez,

859
00:47:51,118 --> 00:47:53,203
Ramblin' Jack Elliott, and Bob Neuwirth,

860
00:47:53,745 --> 00:47:58,083
and it's called the Rolling Thunder Revue
at the Providence Civic Center, Tuesday...

861
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,002
You'd book the venues,

862
00:48:00,085 --> 00:48:02,421
make deals with each
of the local promoters,

863
00:48:02,713 --> 00:48:04,464
and then you'd show up.

864
00:48:04,882 --> 00:48:07,092
And, you know,
you'd have a deal for the gate.

865
00:48:07,175 --> 00:48:08,427
And, you know,

866
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:10,512
hopefully everything would go out,
would go well,

867
00:48:10,596 --> 00:48:12,036
and everybody'd make a little money.

868
00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:14,308
Hey, man, it wasn't your door
and you weren't invited.

869
00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:17,102
- Hey, don't yell at me, all right?
- Oh, I am yelling at ya.

870
00:48:17,185 --> 00:48:18,979
- Okay.
- Go get your cop,

871
00:48:19,062 --> 00:48:20,707
- so you can get some fuckin' help.
- Okay.

872
00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:23,483
The overall promoter
was a longtime friend of Bob's

873
00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:24,484
and a fishmonger.

874
00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:26,486
I mean, he never had managed
a tour before,

875
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:27,821
let alone one of this size.

876
00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:30,324
It's bad for your, uh,
high blood pressure.

877
00:48:30,407 --> 00:48:32,492
- Yeah, okay.
- Bad for your high blood pressure.

878
00:48:32,576 --> 00:48:34,762
- Read him some poetry, Allen.
- Anything you wanna say...

879
00:48:34,786 --> 00:48:36,830
So he was out of his element
and underprepared,

880
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:38,594
and he wasn't very well-liked on the tour.

881
00:48:38,874 --> 00:48:42,127
Then tell him the ushers left.
Tell him... Tell him we're framingit.

882
00:48:42,419 --> 00:48:43,921
- Hi, Barry.
- Nice.

883
00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:48,300
This guy, Barry Imhoff,
was his second-in-command,

884
00:48:48,383 --> 00:48:50,093
and he'd worked for Bill Graham for years,

885
00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:52,095
but just prior to Rolling Thunder

886
00:48:52,179 --> 00:48:54,598
had got out on his own
and started Zebra Productions.

887
00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:58,268
And this was one of, you know,
if not exactly, his first tour.

888
00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:00,455
What kind of jobs
would the promoter do?

889
00:49:00,479 --> 00:49:02,773
I did whatever needed to get done.

890
00:49:03,023 --> 00:49:05,525
So one day, you're delivering pizza
to the band,

891
00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:06,817
and the next day,

892
00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:09,237
I'm... got a bag full of $15,000,

893
00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:11,799
and I'm walking through a parking lot
looking over my shoulder,

894
00:49:11,823 --> 00:49:14,076
thinking everybody knows
exactly what I'm doing.

895
00:49:14,284 --> 00:49:17,329
Well, you did what you had to do.
Some things we don't talk about.

896
00:49:21,208 --> 00:49:24,044
My mom wanted to go see this tour.

897
00:49:24,628 --> 00:49:28,840
Now, you know, nobody wants
to go to a concert with their mom.

898
00:49:29,341 --> 00:49:32,177
Especially when they're 19 years old.

899
00:49:32,844 --> 00:49:36,682
So, rebelliously,
I... I wore a Kiss T-shirt.

900
00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:40,560
So, I don't know which one of us
was more embarrassed,

901
00:49:40,644 --> 00:49:42,646
whether it was me or my mom.

902
00:49:42,729 --> 00:49:44,648
And we went to this concert.

903
00:49:45,148 --> 00:49:46,608
We're trying to get in,

904
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:49,069
and the guy's giving us
kind of a hard time

905
00:49:49,152 --> 00:49:52,239
and looking at our tickets and the thing,
and we can't get in...

906
00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:55,075
And then, this guy comes walking up,

907
00:49:56,243 --> 00:49:58,829
and he doesn't have tickets,
and he tries to get in.

908
00:49:58,912 --> 00:50:00,712
And the cop at the door
is not letting him in,

909
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:01,957
and not letting him in.

910
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,376
And so, finally, like, a bunch of people
come out,

911
00:50:04,459 --> 00:50:07,212
and they get Bob,
and Bob turns around and he's like...

912
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,466
And I'm just like this...
And my mom's like, "Come on."

913
00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:13,343
And I don't wanna, "come on,"

914
00:50:13,635 --> 00:50:17,431
but my mother pushes us through,
and so we go in with Bob, and, um...

915
00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:19,891
Bob turned around and he saw my shirt,

916
00:50:20,726 --> 00:50:21,768
and he was like,

917
00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:23,603
"Do you like them?"

918
00:50:23,979 --> 00:50:26,398
And then I realized he wanted
to talk about Kiss.

919
00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:29,860
I think I was trying to...
to sound like I was...

920
00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:32,738
smart, and so I started saying,

921
00:50:32,821 --> 00:50:37,617
"Well, you know, I think that they paint
their faces in this Kabuki style."

922
00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:38,827
And he said,

923
00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:43,248
"Oh, I bet Okuni never spit blood
into the audience."

924
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:46,084
And I was like, "Okuni?"

925
00:50:46,418 --> 00:50:48,837
And he's like, "Izumo no Okuni."

926
00:50:49,296 --> 00:50:50,672
Oh, and that's, you know,

927
00:50:50,756 --> 00:50:53,008
it's one of the guys who started,
uh, Kabuki.

928
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:54,300
So...

929
00:50:54,342 --> 00:50:58,597
<i>♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪</i>

930
00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:01,266
<i>♪ And party every day ♪</i>

931
00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:04,853
<i>♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪</i>

932
00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:07,564
<i>♪ And party every day ♪</i>

933
00:51:07,647 --> 00:51:10,817
<i>♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪</i>

934
00:51:10,901 --> 00:51:12,319
I can't hear you!

935
00:51:12,402 --> 00:51:13,779
<i>♪ And party every day ♪</i>

936
00:51:13,862 --> 00:51:15,947
<i>♪ I wanna rock and roll... ♪</i>

937
00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,071
Scarlet Rivera was some piece of work.

938
00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:21,369
Most people'd kind of stay away
from Scarlet, but, uh, not me.

939
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,750
Her boyfriend at the time
was the leader of Kiss.

940
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,170
And she took me over to Queens
to see them play.

941
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:34,007
They were playing in a small club.
They had face paint on,

942
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,967
and I thought that was
kind of interesting.

943
00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:39,096
I kind of filed that away somewhere.

944
00:51:39,429 --> 00:51:41,014
Clap your hands!

945
00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:45,977
<i>♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪</i>

946
00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:53,860
Yeah, I remember a lot of things.
They... They said I had a wonderful time.

947
00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:56,238
I think I did.

948
00:51:56,655 --> 00:51:58,824
They said every time
we used to do any interviews,

949
00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:02,160
all they wanted to know was,
"Ronnie, we wanna hear about the orgies."

950
00:52:02,327 --> 00:52:03,370
I said, "Orgies?"

951
00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:06,224
I said, "God damn, we never had
any orgies. That sounds nasty as hell."

952
00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:10,752
I said, "We might have had 14 or 15 people
in love a time or two, but no orgies."

953
00:52:12,546 --> 00:52:13,546
Look who's here.

954
00:52:14,172 --> 00:52:15,172
Yo, man.

955
00:52:15,549 --> 00:52:17,592
Well, Ronnie Hawkins, now,

956
00:52:17,676 --> 00:52:21,429
he looked like a shitkicker,
but he spoke with the wisdom of a sage.

957
00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:23,556
He was like a...

958
00:52:24,724 --> 00:52:25,724
a...

959
00:52:27,102 --> 00:52:28,395
gladiator or something...

960
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:30,605
that wrestled and raced

961
00:52:30,689 --> 00:52:33,900
in, uh, in...
in some nondescript Roman arena.

962
00:52:34,276 --> 00:52:35,110
Uh...

963
00:52:35,193 --> 00:52:38,071
you expected Ronnie to, uh,
to wear a toga...

964
00:52:40,699 --> 00:52:42,367
instead of that ratty cowboy hat.

965
00:52:43,493 --> 00:52:45,847
- Remember Scarlet Rivera?
- Oh, yeah.

966
00:52:45,871 --> 00:52:47,998
She fell in love with my rhythm man

967
00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:49,541
from my band, Scarlet did.

968
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:54,087
Yeah, they put on some interesting shows
there, up there in my room.

969
00:52:57,424 --> 00:52:59,843
I think I narrated a couple of 'em.
I'm not sure.

970
00:53:00,343 --> 00:53:03,054
But, uh, yeah, she was something else...
wore a sword.

971
00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:05,727
She had...
She wore a sword everywhere she went,

972
00:53:05,765 --> 00:53:06,808
that girl, so I didn't...

973
00:53:06,892 --> 00:53:09,728
I was a little bit uneasy
about trying to slip her out,

974
00:53:10,145 --> 00:53:12,939
'cause, boy, if you didn't satisfy her,
she's liable to stab you.

975
00:53:16,401 --> 00:53:17,652
She was unusual.

976
00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:20,572
I went to her room once,
and there was a box of stuff.

977
00:53:21,156 --> 00:53:24,701
Like, chains and mirrors...

978
00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:26,661
candelabras and...

979
00:53:27,996 --> 00:53:29,164
She had swords.

980
00:53:29,831 --> 00:53:30,832
She had a snake.

981
00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:32,499
Just, uh...

982
00:53:32,876 --> 00:53:35,670
many things in... in a trunk.

983
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:40,800
And, uh, that told me more about her
than anything she had to say.

984
00:53:44,304 --> 00:53:45,664
She didn't say much.

985
00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:48,892
But she didn't have to.

986
00:53:51,353 --> 00:53:55,398
- What's that?
- This? This is my friend.

987
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,445
He keeps me company while I play.

988
00:54:00,946 --> 00:54:03,573
He's playing the dance beyond his limits.

989
00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:07,827
Something that most people
would say is impossible.

990
00:54:09,162 --> 00:54:13,375
But artists like to challenge
the impossible, I guess.

991
00:54:14,292 --> 00:54:17,045
That's why we wear
the makeup we wear, I guess, too.

992
00:54:19,506 --> 00:54:21,883
It's a striking image
you have onstage.

993
00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:26,596
Mr. Tambourine Man gives us
the opportunity

994
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,307
to be whoever we wish to be.

995
00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:49,035
This, uh, young, beautiful,
young lady over here is Scarlet.

996
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,287
She plays with us, too.

997
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:14,436
I'd been at the high holy gypsy holiday
at Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer,

998
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:15,519
South of France.

999
00:55:20,442 --> 00:55:23,778
It happens to be on my birthday,
so it was like going home.

1000
00:55:41,421 --> 00:55:43,006
Manitas de Plata was there,

1001
00:55:43,089 --> 00:55:45,467
and he played all night
along the campfire.

1002
00:55:46,426 --> 00:55:48,219
I mean, he was fantastic.

1003
00:55:49,054 --> 00:55:53,350
And, uh, I stayed up till dawn
just listening to him play.

1004
00:56:31,137 --> 00:56:33,932
Some time after that,
couldn't have been more than a week,

1005
00:56:34,474 --> 00:56:37,435
that song came to me in a dream.

1006
00:56:37,894 --> 00:56:39,646
<i>♪ Your breath is sweet ♪</i>

1007
00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:43,274
<i>♪ Your eyes are like
Two jewels in the sky ♪</i>

1008
00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:48,488
<i>♪ Your back is straight
Your hair is smooth ♪</i>

1009
00:56:48,571 --> 00:56:51,366
<i>♪ On the pillow where you lie ♪</i>

1010
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:56,496
<i>♪ But I don't sense affection ♪</i>

1011
00:56:56,579 --> 00:56:58,415
<i>♪ No gratitude or love ♪</i>

1012
00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:02,877
<i>♪ Your loyalty is not to me ♪</i>

1013
00:57:02,961 --> 00:57:05,839
<i>♪ But to the stars above ♪</i>

1014
00:57:07,132 --> 00:57:11,344
<i>♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪</i>

1015
00:57:14,347 --> 00:57:18,685
<i>♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪</i>

1016
00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:23,481
<i>♪ To the valley below ♪</i>

1017
00:57:35,827 --> 00:57:39,247
<i>♪ Your daddy, he's an outlaw ♪</i>

1018
00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:41,499
<i>♪ And a wanderer by trade ♪</i>

1019
00:57:43,793 --> 00:57:46,546
<i>♪ He'll teach you how to pick and choose ♪</i>

1020
00:57:46,629 --> 00:57:49,424
<i>♪ And how to throw the blade ♪</i>

1021
00:57:51,342 --> 00:57:53,803
<i>♪ He oversees his kingdom ♪</i>

1022
00:57:54,262 --> 00:57:57,182
<i>♪ So no stranger does intrude ♪</i>

1023
00:57:58,266 --> 00:58:01,519
<i>♪ His voice, it trembles as he calls out ♪</i>

1024
00:58:01,603 --> 00:58:04,063
<i>♪ For another plate of food ♪</i>

1025
00:58:05,356 --> 00:58:09,569
<i>♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪</i>

1026
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:16,659
<i>♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪</i>

1027
00:58:18,453 --> 00:58:21,247
<i>♪ To the valley below ♪</i>

1028
00:58:33,801 --> 00:58:37,096
<i>♪ Your sister sees the future ♪</i>

1029
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:39,224
<i>♪ Like your mama and yourself ♪</i>

1030
00:58:41,643 --> 00:58:44,187
<i>♪ You've never learned to read or write ♪</i>

1031
00:58:44,395 --> 00:58:47,357
<i>♪ There's no books upon your shelf ♪</i>

1032
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:51,611
<i>♪ And your pleasure knows no limits ♪</i>

1033
00:58:52,028 --> 00:58:54,614
<i>♪ Your voice is like a meadowlark ♪</i>

1034
00:58:55,823 --> 00:58:58,535
<i>♪ But your heart is like an ocean ♪</i>

1035
00:58:58,993 --> 00:59:02,247
<i>♪ Mysterious and dark ♪</i>

1036
00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:07,126
<i>♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪</i>

1037
00:59:10,171 --> 00:59:14,634
<i>♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪</i>

1038
00:59:16,094 --> 00:59:19,389
<i>♪ To the valley below ♪</i>

1039
01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:06,811
Are you used
to going to rock shows?

1040
01:00:08,021 --> 01:00:10,481
No, it's one of the very few I've seen.

1041
01:00:12,233 --> 01:00:16,195
I finally realized, after last night,
I've been missing an awful lot.

1042
01:00:17,530 --> 01:00:19,490
I thought it was
the most unusual occurrence.

1043
01:00:19,574 --> 01:00:21,826
I never... I never noticed...

1044
01:00:22,577 --> 01:00:24,746
as a... as a part of an audience,

1045
01:00:26,414 --> 01:00:27,957
I never paid attention to a...

1046
01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:32,837
to a response between an audience
and people on the stage,

1047
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,172
performers onstage.

1048
01:00:34,922 --> 01:00:38,176
That, to me,
was like a show all by itself.

1049
01:00:39,177 --> 01:00:41,804
It was like one battery charging another.

1050
01:00:45,308 --> 01:00:46,309
And...

1051
01:00:47,143 --> 01:00:50,521
you not only could feel the vibes,
you could... you could almost see them.

1052
01:00:52,774 --> 01:00:53,816
There was a...

1053
01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:58,571
a love affair between the performers
and the audience.

1054
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,204
Uh, I was thinking about the forces

1055
01:01:06,287 --> 01:01:07,580
that draw people together.

1056
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:14,295
The magnetism that makes the unit
that's now formed as Rolling Thunder.

1057
01:01:14,837 --> 01:01:15,837
And, uh...

1058
01:01:16,047 --> 01:01:18,716
to me, the future already exists.

1059
01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:22,553
For some people, maybe for everyone.

1060
01:01:25,348 --> 01:01:28,976
It's just a matter
of tuning yourself to it.

1061
01:01:34,065 --> 01:01:38,778
"I saw the best minds
of my generation destroyed by madness,

1062
01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:41,698
starving hysterical naked,

1063
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,535
dragging themselves
through the negro streets at dawn

1064
01:01:45,618 --> 01:01:47,745
looking for an angry fix..."

1065
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,457
Allen Ginsberg was a saintlike figure.

1066
01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:55,211
It was like having a...
kinda like a father figure.

1067
01:01:55,294 --> 01:01:56,587
He was always very sober.

1068
01:01:58,005 --> 01:02:01,217
No, Allen Ginsberg
was anything but a father figure.

1069
01:02:02,635 --> 01:02:04,679
He was definitely not a father figure.

1070
01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:06,472
Allen Ginsberg,

1071
01:02:06,556 --> 01:02:10,184
a guy I really... I really miss,
of the ones that are gone.

1072
01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:13,855
We became very friendly,
I mean, you know, he... he...

1073
01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:17,775
I wasn't a bad-looking, you know,
little 19-year-old at the time,

1074
01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:20,403
and he had a thing for straight,

1075
01:02:20,611 --> 01:02:21,611
talented...

1076
01:02:22,488 --> 01:02:23,488
um...

1077
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:25,616
teenage boys.

1078
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,744
So, that probably added to it, I suppose.

1079
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,687
One thing people
don't know about Ginsberg

1080
01:02:36,711 --> 01:02:38,337
is that he was an incredible dancer.

1081
01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:39,797
Um... who...

1082
01:02:39,881 --> 01:02:44,677
he would just do these steps
that were so unusual and exciting.

1083
01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:47,388
You know, and he'd always have
a good dance partner, too.

1084
01:02:47,472 --> 01:02:51,434
Uh, usually somebody from the tour,
somebody we'd pick up along the way.

1085
01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:54,187
Uh... He danced a lot, Ginsberg.

1086
01:02:56,856 --> 01:02:59,609
"& shaman
he swings a skinny leg to the sky

1087
01:02:59,692 --> 01:03:01,861
& shaman
he desires you be there watching

1088
01:03:01,944 --> 01:03:03,696
shaman don't care about eating now

1089
01:03:03,821 --> 01:03:06,240
he's got his paint on he's ready for jive

1090
01:03:06,574 --> 01:03:08,993
& shaman's going to sway
& gesture in space

1091
01:03:09,076 --> 01:03:12,371
& shaman's shouting yeah for you
& singing your sorrow

1092
01:03:12,455 --> 01:03:14,248
shaman's not faithful except to you

1093
01:03:14,332 --> 01:03:16,334
shaman does it for you you know all this

1094
01:03:16,417 --> 01:03:18,753
shaman's got his eyes on the violin."

1095
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:23,925
There was this yearning,
Allen's yearning,

1096
01:03:24,509 --> 01:03:26,093
to either be Bob or...

1097
01:03:27,094 --> 01:03:29,013
have Bob love him more.

1098
01:03:29,096 --> 01:03:31,015
And I remember Bob saying,

1099
01:03:31,098 --> 01:03:33,226
"Just go out and sing
on the street corners."

1100
01:03:33,309 --> 01:03:34,811
So Allen was essentially doing that.

1101
01:03:35,144 --> 01:03:37,021
<i>♪ Ah... ♪</i>

1102
01:03:37,104 --> 01:03:40,775
Seeing Ginsberg was
like going to see the Oracle of Delphi.

1103
01:03:41,234 --> 01:03:44,195
He didn't care about material wealth
or political power.

1104
01:03:44,779 --> 01:03:46,447
He was his own kind of king.

1105
01:03:48,157 --> 01:03:50,409
But... he wanted to play music.

1106
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:55,206
He had already achieved
what any national poet

1107
01:03:55,289 --> 01:03:56,541
could hope to achieve.

1108
01:03:56,624 --> 01:03:59,919
"I saw the best minds of my generation
destroyed by madness."

1109
01:04:00,586 --> 01:04:02,129
Very few poets have done that.

1110
01:04:02,964 --> 01:04:04,215
Robert Frost, maybe.

1111
01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:07,301
"Promises to keep,
miles to go before I sleep."

1112
01:04:07,802 --> 01:04:10,221
Whitman said,
"I am large, I contain multitudes."

1113
01:04:10,304 --> 01:04:12,139
We still remember those lines today.

1114
01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:16,394
Today's poets don't reach
into the public consciousness that way.

1115
01:04:17,395 --> 01:04:20,523
So it was remarkable
that Allen had actually broken through.

1116
01:04:21,274 --> 01:04:25,736
Nowadays, lines that people remember
are lines from songs, lyrics from songs...

1117
01:04:27,071 --> 01:04:29,115
"Your cheatin' heart will make you weep."

1118
01:04:29,198 --> 01:04:32,034
"Don't change your hair for me,
not if you care for me."

1119
01:04:32,827 --> 01:04:35,580
"I'm in the mood for love."
"What a difference a day makes."

1120
01:04:35,663 --> 01:04:36,706
"Ain't misbehavin'."

1121
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,459
Allen wanted his lines
to be remembered like that,

1122
01:04:41,085 --> 01:04:42,753
but he was a poet.

1123
01:04:43,504 --> 01:04:44,881
He wasn't a songwriter.

1124
01:04:46,841 --> 01:04:50,803
By 1970 through 1975,

1125
01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:54,599
all of the, uh, heroes of song and poetry

1126
01:04:55,558 --> 01:04:57,059
were out on their own,

1127
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,560
uh...

1128
01:04:59,854 --> 01:05:01,522
in the solitude...

1129
01:05:02,481 --> 01:05:03,481
doing their art.

1130
01:05:05,234 --> 01:05:08,029
The people that were going to die
or drink themselves to death,

1131
01:05:08,112 --> 01:05:10,531
as many great artists did,
or get strung out...

1132
01:05:11,198 --> 01:05:15,161
uh, went down to... uh...

1133
01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:18,789
She'ol, as Kerouac did,

1134
01:05:19,373 --> 01:05:22,627
105 miles from this ocean,
buried in Lowell.

1135
01:05:23,711 --> 01:05:26,797
But that's where I got all my poetry,
out of <i>Mexico City Blues.</i>

1136
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:28,840
You ever read this?

1137
01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:30,384
- Sure.
- This book...

1138
01:05:30,843 --> 01:05:33,387
- This is my favorite.
- Yeah, I... I read this. Uh...

1139
01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:37,433
My good friend Dave Whitaker
gave me a copy of this book.

1140
01:05:37,516 --> 01:05:40,853
- When?
- Uh, in Minneapolis in 1959.

1141
01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:41,937
Uh-huh.

1142
01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:45,608
I remember when David gave me this book,
it just blew a hole in my mind.

1143
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:46,942
Really?

1144
01:05:47,777 --> 01:05:50,071
Yeah.
"What's been buried in the grave?

1145
01:05:50,154 --> 01:05:50,988
Dust.

1146
01:05:51,155 --> 01:05:52,341
- Perfect..."
- "Perfect dust."

1147
01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:54,659
"Perfect dust in time."

1148
01:05:55,409 --> 01:05:57,036
He wrote a lot about being dead.

1149
01:05:58,204 --> 01:06:00,790
"Once I went to a movie
At midnight, 1940,

1150
01:06:00,873 --> 01:06:02,375
<i>Mice and Men,</i> the name of it.

1151
01:06:02,458 --> 01:06:05,419
The Red Block Boxcars
Rolling by

1152
01:06:05,878 --> 01:06:06,712
Yessir

1153
01:06:06,796 --> 01:06:08,673
life finally gets tired of living -

1154
01:06:09,215 --> 01:06:11,759
On both occasions I had wild
Face looking into lights

1155
01:06:11,842 --> 01:06:13,219
Of streets where phantoms

1156
01:06:13,302 --> 01:06:16,180
Hastened out of sight
Into Memorial cello time."

1157
01:06:16,263 --> 01:06:17,863
Oh, yeah.

1158
01:06:17,932 --> 01:06:20,267
Here's one.
"Dead and don't know it,

1159
01:06:20,351 --> 01:06:21,394
Living and do.

1160
01:06:21,811 --> 01:06:23,562
The living have a dead idea.

1161
01:06:24,105 --> 01:06:25,856
A person is a living idea;

1162
01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:27,775
after death, a dead idea.

1163
01:06:27,858 --> 01:06:29,402
When rock becomes air..."

1164
01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:30,569
"I will be there."

1165
01:06:31,570 --> 01:06:33,280
- He's here.
- Yeah, this is where he is.

1166
01:06:33,364 --> 01:06:35,700
- Yeah. So rock has become air.
- Yeah.

1167
01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:40,784
- Let's sit down a minute, relax.
- Well, this is...

1168
01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:44,834
- Yes, it's not every day...
- Kerouac, he honored life.

1169
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:48,963
I had to read everything again,
that Kerouac wrote.

1170
01:06:49,046 --> 01:06:51,882
Not that I did,
but I thought about it differently.

1171
01:06:52,425 --> 01:06:54,301
All of a sudden, <i>On the Road,</i>

1172
01:06:55,761 --> 01:06:57,680
he was talking about the road of life.

1173
01:07:07,231 --> 01:07:09,025
"Strange now to think of you,

1174
01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:11,235
gone without corsets and eyes,

1175
01:07:11,318 --> 01:07:13,112
while I walk
on the sunny pavement

1176
01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:14,405
of Greenwich Village,

1177
01:07:15,197 --> 01:07:16,782
downtown Manhattan,

1178
01:07:17,033 --> 01:07:18,242
clear winter noon,

1179
01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,578
and I've been up all night talking,

1180
01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:21,662
talking,

1181
01:07:21,746 --> 01:07:23,247
reading the Kaddish aloud,

1182
01:07:23,664 --> 01:07:25,166
listening to Ray Charles

1183
01:07:25,249 --> 01:07:27,752
blues shout blind on the phonograph

1184
01:07:28,169 --> 01:07:29,962
The rhythm, the rhythm

1185
01:07:30,629 --> 01:07:32,910
and your memory in my head..."
"like a poem in the dark...

1186
01:07:32,965 --> 01:07:35,301
escaped back to Oblivion...

1187
01:07:35,926 --> 01:07:37,178
No more to say,

1188
01:07:37,261 --> 01:07:40,723
and nothing to weep for
but the Beings in the Dream,

1189
01:07:40,806 --> 01:07:42,516
trapped in its disappearance,

1190
01:07:43,017 --> 01:07:44,017
sighing,

1191
01:07:44,268 --> 01:07:45,268
screaming with it,

1192
01:07:45,603 --> 01:07:48,856
buying and selling pieces of phantom,

1193
01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,525
laughing and weeping over mahjong,

1194
01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:53,444
worshipping each other,

1195
01:07:53,611 --> 01:07:56,072
worshipping the God included in it all...

1196
01:07:56,447 --> 01:07:58,908
longing or inevitability?

1197
01:07:59,116 --> 01:08:01,327
while it lasts, a Vision...

1198
01:08:01,786 --> 01:08:05,164
Death, stay thy phantoms!

1199
01:08:05,748 --> 01:08:08,292
O mother
what have I left out

1200
01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:11,420
O mother
what have I forgotten

1201
01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,465
O mother
farewell

1202
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:16,801
with a long black shoe

1203
01:08:17,301 --> 01:08:19,720
farewell
with Communist Party

1204
01:08:19,804 --> 01:08:21,305
and a broken stocking

1205
01:08:21,764 --> 01:08:23,933
farewell
with six dark hairs

1206
01:08:24,016 --> 01:08:25,684
on the wen of your breast

1207
01:08:26,185 --> 01:08:28,562
farewell
with your old dress

1208
01:08:28,646 --> 01:08:31,649
and a long black beard around the vagina

1209
01:08:32,066 --> 01:08:35,569
with your eyes
with your eyes of Russia

1210
01:08:35,653 --> 01:08:37,822
with your eyes of no money

1211
01:08:37,947 --> 01:08:40,241
with your eyes of Aunt Elanor

1212
01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:42,326
with your eyes of shock

1213
01:08:42,618 --> 01:08:44,829
with your eyes of lobotomy

1214
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:49,583
with your eyes of divorce
with your eyes of stroke

1215
01:08:49,792 --> 01:08:52,002
with your eyes alone

1216
01:08:52,169 --> 01:08:53,337
with your eyes

1217
01:08:53,754 --> 01:08:54,964
with your eyes

1218
01:08:55,214 --> 01:08:57,883
with your death full of flowers."

1219
01:09:20,406 --> 01:09:23,701
<i>♪ She walks alone
Through the city blocks ♪</i>

1220
01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:27,705
<i>♪ Oh, hears the tickin' of the clocks ♪</i>

1221
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:31,625
<i>♪ Hunts for her by the waterfront docks ♪</i>

1222
01:09:31,834 --> 01:09:34,670
<i>♪ Where the sailors all come in ♪</i>

1223
01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:38,340
<i>♪ Maybe he'll see her there once again ♪</i>

1224
01:09:39,592 --> 01:09:42,803
<i>♪ How long must he wait? ♪</i>

1225
01:09:44,638 --> 01:09:48,976
<i>♪ One more time
For a simple twist of fate ♪</i>

1226
01:09:52,021 --> 01:09:54,040
<i>Tell me a bit
about the spirit of the tour.</i>

1227
01:09:54,064 --> 01:09:56,501
<i>- 'Cause you're doing new songs, right?
- Yeah.</i>

1228
01:09:56,525 --> 01:09:59,528
<i>And a lot of people in
the audience expected the old songs.</i>

1229
01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:01,464
<i>But Ratso, you know,
that's the first...</i>

1230
01:10:01,488 --> 01:10:03,383
<i>- one of the first rules...
- What's that?</i>

1231
01:10:03,407 --> 01:10:04,807
<i>The expectations, you know?</i>

1232
01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,369
<i>If you have big expectations,
you're gonna be let down.</i>

1233
01:10:07,453 --> 01:10:09,371
<i>You can't have any expectations.</i>

1234
01:10:09,455 --> 01:10:11,135
<i>But people do
have preconceptions.</i>

1235
01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:13,918
<i>That's their problem, Ratso.
That's their own problem.</i>

1236
01:10:14,001 --> 01:10:16,587
<i>We can't account for everybody
who's walking around, you know?</i>

1237
01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:18,088
<i>Like having expectations.</i>

1238
01:10:18,172 --> 01:10:19,590
<i>I mean, who gives a shit?</i>

1239
01:10:19,673 --> 01:10:20,841
<i>Yeah.</i>

1240
01:10:20,925 --> 01:10:24,094
<i>♪ They sat together in the park ♪</i>

1241
01:10:25,137 --> 01:10:27,723
<i>♪ As the evening sky got dark ♪</i>

1242
01:10:28,933 --> 01:10:31,477
<i>♪ She looked at him and he felt a spark ♪</i>

1243
01:10:32,853 --> 01:10:35,356
<i>♪ Tingle to his bones ♪</i>

1244
01:10:36,774 --> 01:10:39,360
<i>♪ 'Twas then he felt alone ♪</i>

1245
01:10:40,611 --> 01:10:43,739
<i>♪ And he wished he'd gone straight ♪</i>

1246
01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:49,828
<i>♪ And watched out
For a simple twist of fate ♪</i>

1247
01:10:53,874 --> 01:10:56,919
<i>♪ They walked along by the old canal ♪</i>

1248
01:10:57,962 --> 01:11:00,714
<i>♪ A little confused, I remember well ♪</i>

1249
01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:04,885
<i>♪ And stopped into a strange hotel ♪</i>

1250
01:11:05,469 --> 01:11:08,430
<i>♪ With a neon burnin' bright ♪</i>

1251
01:11:09,598 --> 01:11:12,601
<i>♪ He felt the heat of the night ♪</i>

1252
01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:17,731
<i>♪ Hit him like a freight train ♪</i>

1253
01:11:18,023 --> 01:11:22,778
<i>♪ Moving with a simple twist of fate ♪</i>

1254
01:11:26,907 --> 01:11:29,952
<i>♪ A saxophone someplace softly played ♪</i>

1255
01:11:30,869 --> 01:11:33,831
<i>♪ As she was walkin' on by the arcade ♪</i>

1256
01:11:34,999 --> 01:11:37,876
<i>♪ She heard the melody rise and fade ♪</i>

1257
01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:41,380
<i>♪ The sun was coming up ♪</i>

1258
01:11:42,214 --> 01:11:45,551
<i>♪ She dropped a coin into the cup ♪</i>

1259
01:11:46,343 --> 01:11:49,680
<i>♪ Of a blind man at the gate ♪</i>

1260
01:11:50,681 --> 01:11:55,686
<i>♪ And forgot about
A simple twist of fate ♪</i>

1261
01:12:00,024 --> 01:12:03,110
<i>♪ He woke up, she was gone ♪</i>

1262
01:12:03,902 --> 01:12:06,739
<i>♪ He didn't see nothing but the dawn ♪</i>

1263
01:12:07,906 --> 01:12:11,076
<i>♪ He got out of bed
And put his clothes back on ♪</i>

1264
01:12:12,161 --> 01:12:14,288
<i>♪ Pushed back the blinds ♪</i>

1265
01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:18,292
<i>♪ Found a note she'd left behind ♪</i>

1266
01:12:19,126 --> 01:12:22,629
<i>♪ To which he just could not relate ♪</i>

1267
01:12:24,214 --> 01:12:28,469
<i>♪ All about a simple twist of fate ♪</i>

1268
01:12:34,391 --> 01:12:37,853
<i>♪ He hears the ticking of the clocks ♪</i>

1269
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,024
<i>♪ And walks alone
Through the city blocks ♪</i>

1270
01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:45,861
<i>♪ Hunts her down by the waterfront docks ♪</i>

1271
01:12:45,944 --> 01:12:48,947
<i>♪ Where the sailors all roll in ♪</i>

1272
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:52,993
<i>♪ Maybe he'll spot her once again ♪</i>

1273
01:12:53,494 --> 01:12:57,206
<i>♪ How long must he wait? ♪</i>

1274
01:12:58,791 --> 01:13:03,337
<i>♪ One more time
For a simple twist of fate ♪</i>

1275
01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:10,177
<i>♪ People tell me it's a crime ♪</i>

1276
01:13:11,428 --> 01:13:14,640
<i>♪ To know too much for too long a time ♪</i>

1277
01:13:15,724 --> 01:13:18,977
<i>♪ She should've caught me in my prime ♪</i>

1278
01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:22,106
<i>♪ She would've stayed with me ♪</i>

1279
01:13:22,773 --> 01:13:26,026
<i>♪ Instead I'm going off to sea ♪</i>

1280
01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:30,531
<i>♪ And leaving me to meditate ♪</i>

1281
01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:37,079
<i>♪ Upon that simple twist of fate ♪</i>

1282
01:14:27,504 --> 01:14:30,924
I shall resign the presidency
effective at noon tomorrow.

1283
01:14:31,008 --> 01:14:33,927
Vice President Ford will be sworn in
as president

1284
01:14:34,428 --> 01:14:37,055
at that hour in this office.

1285
01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:40,851
<i>♪ I dreamed I saw Saint Augustine ♪</i>

1286
01:14:40,976 --> 01:14:43,896
<i>♪ Alive as you or me... ♪</i>

1287
01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:47,274
Thomas Jefferson said,
"The people...

1288
01:14:48,108 --> 01:14:52,821
are the only sure reliance
for the preservation of our liberty."

1289
01:14:52,905 --> 01:14:56,867
<i>♪ With a blanket underneath his arm ♪</i>

1290
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:58,994
<i>♪ And a coat of solid gold... ♪</i>

1291
01:14:59,077 --> 01:15:02,831
Abraham Lincoln renewed
this American article of faith

1292
01:15:02,915 --> 01:15:08,003
asking, "Is there any better way
or equal hope in the world?"

1293
01:15:08,128 --> 01:15:09,129
Go!

1294
01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:10,964
Everybody get out of the way, now!

1295
01:15:11,131 --> 01:15:12,131
Get down!

1296
01:15:12,341 --> 01:15:13,383
Get out of the way!

1297
01:15:16,136 --> 01:15:19,389
<i>♪ Come out ye gifted kings and queens... ♪</i>

1298
01:15:19,473 --> 01:15:22,976
We've got too many people
who are knocking every institution,

1299
01:15:23,143 --> 01:15:25,521
including the Congress, the president,
the flag,

1300
01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:26,604
everything.

1301
01:15:26,813 --> 01:15:28,398
I think it's time to stand up and say,

1302
01:15:28,482 --> 01:15:31,527
"Well, we believe in these institutions,
and we believe in America."

1303
01:15:32,236 --> 01:15:34,154
And I think America ought to sing
a little bit.

1304
01:15:34,238 --> 01:15:35,822
<i>♪...accordingly ♪</i>

1305
01:15:35,906 --> 01:15:40,786
<i>♪ And know you're not alone ♪</i>

1306
01:15:44,248 --> 01:15:46,792
Now, we're talking about
Bob Dylan the man,

1307
01:15:46,917 --> 01:15:49,836
that's who we're talking about,
the message he preaches when he sings...

1308
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,232
- You can't use microscopes on everything.
- The happiness...

1309
01:15:52,256 --> 01:15:53,549
You're not using microscopes.

1310
01:15:53,632 --> 01:15:56,426
- You can't use a scalpel that way.
- You're using the message.

1311
01:15:56,969 --> 01:15:58,971
I thought it was sort of depressing...

1312
01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:02,683
that people would stand in line
for two days to see a man.

1313
01:16:02,766 --> 01:16:04,142
It just so... shows...

1314
01:16:05,894 --> 01:16:08,564
they have that need for something
or somebody to...

1315
01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:13,318
bring salvation or something. You know?

1316
01:16:13,986 --> 01:16:15,153
But I did it, too.

1317
01:16:16,196 --> 01:16:17,196
I don't know.

1318
01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:20,033
About five in the afternoon,
the day before the show, right?

1319
01:16:20,117 --> 01:16:20,993
- Yeah.
- You were there,

1320
01:16:21,076 --> 01:16:23,596
you'd been there for a couple of days,
you hit on me right away.

1321
01:16:23,662 --> 01:16:25,222
You said you wanted this button, right?

1322
01:16:25,289 --> 01:16:26,969
Thought I was Dylan
or some shit like that.

1323
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,584
- Yeah, right. Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.

1324
01:16:29,167 --> 01:16:31,336
A lot of people think you are, Larry.

1325
01:16:31,753 --> 01:16:34,256
Well, it's pretty obvious.

1326
01:16:34,339 --> 01:16:36,341
Take your glasses off
for a minute.

1327
01:16:37,467 --> 01:16:39,511
- I'm not him.
- Well, anyways...

1328
01:16:39,636 --> 01:16:42,806
That little shit Ratso,
he was the worst.

1329
01:16:42,889 --> 01:16:45,517
He dressed like Dylan,
he tried to talk like Dylan,

1330
01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:47,561
always trying to ingratiate himself.

1331
01:16:47,644 --> 01:16:49,104
He thought he was Hunter Thompson

1332
01:16:49,187 --> 01:16:51,481
just because he was writing
for <i>Rolling Stone.</i>

1333
01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:54,276
He didn't want anyone else
with vision around.

1334
01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:57,338
Did he wind up
causing problems for you?

1335
01:16:57,362 --> 01:16:58,363
Please.

1336
01:16:58,655 --> 01:17:01,450
Does the cockroach really cause problems
for the house?

1337
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:03,368
No, it's just a nuisance.

1338
01:17:03,702 --> 01:17:05,871
Van Dorp was an unusual guy.

1339
01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:09,416
He's one of those kind of people
who's trying to... just needs an enemy.

1340
01:17:09,499 --> 01:17:10,499
And...

1341
01:17:10,542 --> 01:17:13,420
uh, he was trying to make enemies
where there weren't any,

1342
01:17:13,670 --> 01:17:16,256
and, uh, he... he was...

1343
01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:17,966
he was successful at that.

1344
01:17:20,052 --> 01:17:23,764
He... He angered a lot...
lots of people, especially in catering.

1345
01:17:23,847 --> 01:17:26,975
He would eat two or three, uh, meals

1346
01:17:27,142 --> 01:17:30,437
that really...
really were for somebody else.

1347
01:17:31,813 --> 01:17:34,441
So, he ate more than he was supposed to,

1348
01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:36,985
and I think... and I think he...

1349
01:17:39,529 --> 01:17:43,950
...uh, I think he stuck his nose in places
it might've should not have been.

1350
01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:47,496
He was also a very paranoid person.

1351
01:17:48,246 --> 01:17:50,540
Complained to people
that his room was bugged.

1352
01:17:51,708 --> 01:17:54,961
Uh, which, you know,
McGuinn was on that tour,

1353
01:17:55,170 --> 01:18:00,384
and McGuinn who at that point was into,
uh, very sophisticated electronics.

1354
01:18:00,467 --> 01:18:02,469
So I'm not saying it wasn't bugged but...

1355
01:18:03,261 --> 01:18:05,430
but I'm not saying that it was bugged,

1356
01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:07,099
because I don't know that for a fact.

1357
01:18:07,182 --> 01:18:09,267
All tickets are $8.50 a ticket.

1358
01:18:10,018 --> 01:18:11,937
What were the audiences like...

1359
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,105
that you played to?

1360
01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:17,609
Well, they would all be...

1361
01:18:18,652 --> 01:18:19,820
hysterically happy.

1362
01:18:20,404 --> 01:18:22,155
So, I mean, you can't really judge much

1363
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:24,282
from saying,
"What would the audiences be like?"

1364
01:18:24,366 --> 01:18:27,536
They would all be people who would've
slit each other's throats to get there.

1365
01:18:32,624 --> 01:18:35,877
What a lovely couple!

1366
01:18:38,422 --> 01:18:41,466
- Don't make myths. A couple of what?
- A couple of what?

1367
01:18:52,519 --> 01:18:57,190
♪ <i>They say ev'rything can be replaced ♪</i>

1368
01:19:00,444 --> 01:19:04,322
<i>♪ That ev'ry distance is not near ♪</i>

1369
01:19:07,701 --> 01:19:11,872
<i>♪ So I remember ev'ry face ♪</i>

1370
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,045
♪ <i>Of ev'ry man who put me here ♪</i>

1371
01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:21,757
Joan Baez
and me could sing anything.

1372
01:19:22,632 --> 01:19:24,551
We could sing together in our sleep.

1373
01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:26,553
As a matter of fact,

1374
01:19:27,095 --> 01:19:29,931
lot of times when I was sleeping,
I'd hear her voice.

1375
01:19:32,142 --> 01:19:35,896
<i>♪ Yonder down here in this lonely crowd ♪</i>

1376
01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:43,904
<i>♪ Is a man who swears he's not to blame ♪</i>

1377
01:19:47,491 --> 01:19:51,953
<i>♪ All day long I hear him shouting loud ♪</i>

1378
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:59,044
<i>♪ Crying out that he been framed ♪</i>

1379
01:20:01,630 --> 01:20:03,006
<i>♪ I see my light... ♪</i>

1380
01:20:03,131 --> 01:20:05,133
Joan was so courageous.

1381
01:20:06,092 --> 01:20:07,092
Self-disciplined.

1382
01:20:08,011 --> 01:20:11,264
When I first met her, it seemed like
she'd come down to Earth from a meteorite.

1383
01:20:11,890 --> 01:20:12,890
And she's never changed.

1384
01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:15,852
She always seems like she's just come down
from a meteorite.

1385
01:20:20,482 --> 01:20:23,318
You had no reservations
about going on tour?

1386
01:20:24,152 --> 01:20:25,152
Well...

1387
01:20:25,654 --> 01:20:27,030
Sure.

1388
01:20:27,781 --> 01:20:28,781
I mean...

1389
01:20:29,533 --> 01:20:34,579
I think it probably sounded like... fun,
but I also had experienced Dylan,

1390
01:20:34,913 --> 01:20:38,500
and, you know, how much fun
that can be on any tour or not.

1391
01:20:38,959 --> 01:20:39,959
So, um...

1392
01:20:40,418 --> 01:20:43,630
But I think, know... knowing
that it was gonna be a lot of people,

1393
01:20:43,713 --> 01:20:46,842
and I was gonna have my own family
with me...

1394
01:20:51,638 --> 01:20:54,391
It sounded exciting, you know.

1395
01:21:04,401 --> 01:21:06,027
I had my own freedom...

1396
01:21:06,111 --> 01:21:09,865
to sing and dance in a way
that I didn't do on my own stage.

1397
01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:18,766
Maybe there wasn't enough
for her to do

1398
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:20,470
and she'd begin to go a little stir-crazy.

1399
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:21,500
Started doing, uh...

1400
01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:25,422
boogaloo and hanging out with people
maybe she shouldn't be hanging out with,

1401
01:21:25,505 --> 01:21:26,506
and, um...

1402
01:21:27,299 --> 01:21:28,299
Ugh.

1403
01:21:29,593 --> 01:21:30,927
I don't know what happened.

1404
01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:34,890
Boy, sitting right next to Bob Dylan, man.
Whew.

1405
01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:37,017
I got a light if you got a smoke.

1406
01:21:37,726 --> 01:21:40,103
One time,
I got all dressed up as Bob,

1407
01:21:40,186 --> 01:21:41,855
which I would do periodically.

1408
01:21:42,063 --> 01:21:45,567
I used to put these little beard markings
all over and have a mustache on.

1409
01:21:45,901 --> 01:21:48,028
And then I'd put his hat on

1410
01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:49,863
and some whiteface.

1411
01:21:50,155 --> 01:21:52,240
♪ <i>All the time you dress so fine ♪</i>

1412
01:21:53,617 --> 01:21:56,745
♪ <i>Threw the bums a dime in your prime... ♪</i>

1413
01:21:56,828 --> 01:21:59,623
I walked over with nobody really
paying attention,

1414
01:21:59,706 --> 01:22:01,166
and I'd be Bob.

1415
01:22:01,666 --> 01:22:05,003
And there was this table of,
like, food and catering and coffee,

1416
01:22:05,337 --> 01:22:07,213
and Louie was there, and I said...

1417
01:22:07,297 --> 01:22:09,257
"Handsome, give me some coffee."

1418
01:22:09,966 --> 01:22:12,552
Instantly,
people got me some coffee like that.

1419
01:22:13,136 --> 01:22:16,014
"D'you want this? D'you want this?
You want milk? Do you want sugar?"

1420
01:22:16,097 --> 01:22:18,934
And I just had a cigarette in my hand,
going like that,

1421
01:22:19,017 --> 01:22:21,019
and they treated me
the way they treat Bob.

1422
01:22:21,102 --> 01:22:23,102
"D'you want this? D'you want that?
What can we do?"

1423
01:22:23,146 --> 01:22:24,272
It was amazing.

1424
01:22:24,981 --> 01:22:27,859
It was amazing
until finally I said something like,

1425
01:22:27,943 --> 01:22:31,196
"Oh, for Christ sake, Louie."
And then he realized.

1426
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:34,366
Oh, yeah, and I had a little wig on
with my hair coming out underneath it.

1427
01:22:34,658 --> 01:22:36,910
Terrible.

1428
01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:43,625
It's like the court of Henry VIII
or something, you know?

1429
01:22:43,833 --> 01:22:46,836
Who's Anne Boleyn, you know?
Which one is gonna get the ax, you know?

1430
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,465
You know what I mean?
You know, there's that kind of dynamic.

1431
01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:52,884
And people are maneuvering to get closer,

1432
01:22:52,968 --> 01:22:55,804
and then there are the people
who are using you to maneuver.

1433
01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:58,974
David Mansfield wanted to sing a song
with me, uh...

1434
01:22:59,182 --> 01:23:00,934
Ugh. God.

1435
01:23:01,226 --> 01:23:03,687
That, uh, a drummer did.

1436
01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:06,022
I didn't see what the point of it all was.

1437
01:23:07,691 --> 01:23:11,069
- What does makeup do for you?
- I don't know.

1438
01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:13,780
Just hides, you know, the ugliness
a little bit.

1439
01:23:16,032 --> 01:23:19,828
Everyone, of course, you know,
wanted their shot,

1440
01:23:19,911 --> 01:23:21,454
wanted their time in the sun.

1441
01:23:22,330 --> 01:23:24,582
But we all know that, you know,
you have to...

1442
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,543
give for the good of the show.

1443
01:23:26,668 --> 01:23:28,753
And it was such an honor to be there,

1444
01:23:29,838 --> 01:23:31,297
so that was no problem.

1445
01:23:36,094 --> 01:23:38,739
Who were the people
you were closest with on the tour?

1446
01:23:38,763 --> 01:23:41,558
I know this sounds funny,
but I felt close to Bob.

1447
01:23:42,058 --> 01:23:45,145
I just always felt close to him
from the moment I met him.

1448
01:23:45,353 --> 01:23:48,273
Um, I'm sure many people
that feel that way.

1449
01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:50,108
Um...

1450
01:23:50,942 --> 01:23:54,070
I know Mick Ronson told me, however,
when I said, um...

1451
01:23:54,988 --> 01:23:57,308
you know, "Don't you love Bob?"
and he said, "I don't know.

1452
01:23:57,365 --> 01:23:58,616
He's never spoken to me."

1453
01:24:00,118 --> 01:24:03,371
Um, and then once we were
in Massachusetts,

1454
01:24:03,913 --> 01:24:05,540
and people were about to arrive.

1455
01:24:05,623 --> 01:24:08,501
I don't know who they were,
but not our little group.

1456
01:24:09,002 --> 01:24:12,380
Bob and I were alone in the basement,
and Bob said, "Ronee, help."

1457
01:24:12,714 --> 01:24:13,923
And I said, "Help what?"

1458
01:24:15,175 --> 01:24:19,137
And... And I felt so bad about that
afterwards because I didn't mean to be...

1459
01:24:19,846 --> 01:24:23,850
cruel or thoughtless to Bob,
but I always thought, you know,

1460
01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:25,935
I had to treat him
just like a regular person

1461
01:24:26,019 --> 01:24:27,896
if I were going to be friends with him.

1462
01:24:29,814 --> 01:24:33,777
But later on, I understood a little more
what he might be asking help for.

1463
01:24:34,027 --> 01:24:35,421
What was he asking help for?

1464
01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:37,280
I think the onslaught of strangers.

1465
01:24:39,157 --> 01:24:41,076
Hello, take my picture, please!

1466
01:24:41,493 --> 01:24:42,577
Hiya, man.

1467
01:24:47,957 --> 01:24:52,796
I was in the park
with another one of my modeling jobs.

1468
01:24:53,421 --> 01:24:55,461
Of course, the whole park is full
of everybody doing

1469
01:24:55,507 --> 01:24:59,511
whatever they're doing,
and suddenly I hear, "Hey, Kiss,"

1470
01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:01,888
and I'm just, of course, mortified.

1471
01:25:01,971 --> 01:25:03,389
And then I realize...

1472
01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:05,350
that it's him.

1473
01:25:05,767 --> 01:25:08,436
So, of course, I'm even more mortified.

1474
01:25:09,938 --> 01:25:12,065
I think I met her with her mother.

1475
01:25:12,190 --> 01:25:13,316
She was a nice girl.

1476
01:25:13,608 --> 01:25:14,608
Uh...

1477
01:25:15,527 --> 01:25:17,278
She was so young, anyway, you know.

1478
01:25:18,822 --> 01:25:20,323
But she seemed old for her age.

1479
01:25:22,575 --> 01:25:24,869
Everybody wants
to be a movie star...

1480
01:25:25,036 --> 01:25:26,036
don't they?

1481
01:25:26,955 --> 01:25:29,749
But, you know, when you live
in the middle of nowhere,

1482
01:25:29,833 --> 01:25:32,594
when you tell somebody you wanna be
a movie star, they think you're...

1483
01:25:33,294 --> 01:25:34,294
insane.

1484
01:25:36,005 --> 01:25:38,133
She, uh, used to tell me,

1485
01:25:38,216 --> 01:25:40,718
uh, someday
she's going to be a famous actress.

1486
01:25:41,511 --> 01:25:42,511
Uh, okay.

1487
01:25:43,263 --> 01:25:45,807
A couple of days later he said, um...

1488
01:25:47,183 --> 01:25:48,268
"You know, hey...

1489
01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:53,439
how about if you just
come on the road with us?"

1490
01:25:55,275 --> 01:25:58,319
And I thought, "And do what?"

1491
01:26:01,030 --> 01:26:03,658
"You know, you could help out
with the costumes

1492
01:26:03,741 --> 01:26:06,369
and help out backstage and stuff."

1493
01:26:07,453 --> 01:26:10,123
- "Just Like a Woman."
- What?

1494
01:26:10,540 --> 01:26:12,750
- "Just Like a Woman"?
- Yeah!

1495
01:26:12,834 --> 01:26:15,314
- Do we know that song?
- I don't know, we could fake it.

1496
01:26:15,378 --> 01:26:17,422
It was one of the first shows.

1497
01:26:18,256 --> 01:26:20,717
- I was backstage.
- ...we'll try it.

1498
01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:23,261
Joan Baez had asked me to iron her shirt.

1499
01:26:24,387 --> 01:26:27,682
A second later I hear, "Hey... Sharon."

1500
01:26:28,766 --> 01:26:32,854
And there was this, um,
really decrepit old piano

1501
01:26:32,937 --> 01:26:37,650
shoved off to the side,
and Bob was kinda hunched over it.

1502
01:26:37,942 --> 01:26:40,069
And he gives me that... that look.

1503
01:26:41,613 --> 01:26:44,324
He's like, "I wrote a song about you."

1504
01:26:44,824 --> 01:26:49,746
<i>♪ Nobody feels any pain ♪</i>

1505
01:26:52,248 --> 01:26:57,003
<i>♪ Tonight as I stand inside the rain ♪</i>

1506
01:26:58,254 --> 01:27:00,131
And then he gets to the line...

1507
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:06,179
<i>♪ And she makes love just like a woman ♪</i>

1508
01:27:08,014 --> 01:27:10,141
<i>♪ But she breaks ♪</i>

1509
01:27:10,767 --> 01:27:16,439
<i>♪ Just like a little girl ♪</i>

1510
01:27:18,608 --> 01:27:23,738
I just broke out crying. You know?
Full-on tears.

1511
01:27:23,947 --> 01:27:26,991
I get... I think T Bone's the one
who told me that the song was...

1512
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,619
ten years old.

1513
01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:31,287
"Just Like a Woman."

1514
01:27:31,371 --> 01:27:33,289
Yeah!

1515
01:27:33,748 --> 01:27:35,083
What's just like a woman?

1516
01:27:35,375 --> 01:27:36,626
What's just like a woman?

1517
01:27:36,751 --> 01:27:39,379
Nothin' like a woman.

1518
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:46,970
Do a protest song!

1519
01:27:51,933 --> 01:27:53,393
Yeah, here's the one for you.

1520
01:28:19,252 --> 01:28:24,257
<i>♪ Oh, sister, when I come
To lie in your arms ♪</i>

1521
01:28:26,426 --> 01:28:31,055
<i>♪ You should not treat me
Like a stranger ♪</i>

1522
01:28:33,599 --> 01:28:39,439
<i>♪ Our Father would not like
The way that you act ♪</i>

1523
01:28:40,732 --> 01:28:45,778
<i>♪ And you must realize the danger ♪</i>

1524
01:29:16,601 --> 01:29:21,356
<i>♪ Oh, sister, am I not a brother to you ♪</i>

1525
01:29:23,733 --> 01:29:29,072
<i>♪ And one deserving of affection? ♪</i>

1526
01:29:31,032 --> 01:29:36,371
<i>♪ And is our purpose not the same
On this earth ♪</i>

1527
01:29:38,122 --> 01:29:43,169
<i>♪ To love and follow His direction? ♪</i>

1528
01:30:13,491 --> 01:30:15,952
<i>♪ We grew up together ♪</i>

1529
01:30:16,244 --> 01:30:19,205
<i>♪ From the cradle to the grave ♪</i>

1530
01:30:20,289 --> 01:30:22,959
<i>♪ We died and were reborn ♪</i>

1531
01:30:23,167 --> 01:30:30,133
<i>♪ And then mysteriously saved ♪</i>

1532
01:30:35,972 --> 01:30:41,185
<i>♪ Oh, sister, when I come
To knock on your door ♪</i>

1533
01:30:42,937 --> 01:30:48,025
<i>♪ Don't turn away, you'll create sorrow ♪</i>

1534
01:30:49,944 --> 01:30:55,241
<i>♪ Time is an ocean
But it ends at the shore ♪</i>

1535
01:30:56,993 --> 01:31:01,622
<i>♪ You may not see me tomorrow ♪</i>

1536
01:31:40,786 --> 01:31:42,830
Bob Dylan for president!

1537
01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:47,084
President of what?

1538
01:31:49,587 --> 01:31:52,131
Was he in a special mode
of singing at that time?

1539
01:31:52,215 --> 01:31:54,175
Was he different
than you'd seen him before?

1540
01:31:54,258 --> 01:31:56,385
It was... There was
a Rolling Thunder energy.

1541
01:31:57,053 --> 01:32:00,223
That was his invention, you know,
and all these people showed up.

1542
01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:01,848
So, yeah.

1543
01:32:05,186 --> 01:32:07,706
- What do you got, Larry?
- The tour was very open-ended,

1544
01:32:07,730 --> 01:32:10,066
so whatever city they went to,

1545
01:32:10,358 --> 01:32:12,485
if there was a local friend and musician,

1546
01:32:12,777 --> 01:32:14,820
there would be a slot for them
to come up and play.

1547
01:32:14,904 --> 01:32:17,573
For example, uh, in Connecticut,
Joni Mitchell...

1548
01:32:18,157 --> 01:32:20,076
came up, did a couple of songs,

1549
01:32:20,368 --> 01:32:22,928
and loved it so much that she stayed on
for the rest of the tour.

1550
01:32:22,954 --> 01:32:25,289
She just became part of the...
this experience.

1551
01:32:30,753 --> 01:32:32,880
How did you two end up on the road?

1552
01:32:32,964 --> 01:32:34,483
- I don't know...
- I came through Allen.

1553
01:32:34,507 --> 01:32:36,133
She came through Allen Ginsberg.

1554
01:32:36,467 --> 01:32:39,428
Um... I had finished a project and...

1555
01:32:40,137 --> 01:32:40,972
was, you know,

1556
01:32:41,055 --> 01:32:42,765
in a kind of a postnatal state

1557
01:32:42,848 --> 01:32:45,560
and wanted to come and see a concert,

1558
01:32:45,643 --> 01:32:48,312
and, uh, got sucked into it.

1559
01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:50,982
You know, just shelved everything that...

1560
01:32:51,524 --> 01:32:54,652
Everything else seemed, uh,
minorly important

1561
01:32:54,735 --> 01:32:56,988
compared to this, like, as an experience,

1562
01:32:57,071 --> 01:33:01,033
and an experiment in communal existence.
You know?

1563
01:33:01,909 --> 01:33:02,952
What do you think?

1564
01:33:03,035 --> 01:33:05,454
I think you've gotta come on the stage
right now.

1565
01:33:05,538 --> 01:33:06,956
Okay, I'm coming.

1566
01:33:08,374 --> 01:33:11,252
<i>♪ Ah ♪</i>

1567
01:33:21,846 --> 01:33:24,724
Some days, I'd see it
as this kind of allegorical thing

1568
01:33:24,807 --> 01:33:29,228
or as this group of pilgrims
on a kind of journey and quest.

1569
01:33:29,312 --> 01:33:32,857
Of course, you... you know, you...
the deal is you find yourself back home,

1570
01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:34,900
but you have to take this whole journey.

1571
01:33:35,443 --> 01:33:38,487
And then when you open it up to, you know,
here you are in America,

1572
01:33:38,571 --> 01:33:41,824
and... and all the things
that Bob seemed to care about

1573
01:33:41,907 --> 01:33:44,493
in terms of these other...
the... the folk culture

1574
01:33:44,577 --> 01:33:46,245
is getting thrown in there.

1575
01:33:48,497 --> 01:33:50,708
And that's another weave.
This sort of...

1576
01:33:50,791 --> 01:33:54,211
This... This American yearning for,
I don't know, redemption.

1577
01:33:55,838 --> 01:34:00,092
<i>♪...circle be unbroken ♪</i>

1578
01:34:00,176 --> 01:34:04,555
<i>♪ By and by, Lord, by and by ♪</i>

1579
01:34:05,556 --> 01:34:06,724
<i>♪ There's a better... ♪</i>

1580
01:34:06,807 --> 01:34:10,394
Columbus didn't discover America.
There were people here already.

1581
01:34:10,811 --> 01:34:14,440
Even though they stole most everything
they could get their hands on.

1582
01:34:15,483 --> 01:34:20,029
Our land, children,
women, whatever, they took it.

1583
01:34:20,821 --> 01:34:22,615
Left us very poor people.

1584
01:34:22,865 --> 01:34:25,368
A lot of our people homeless
in our own country.

1585
01:34:26,285 --> 01:34:28,162
But the best things of all,

1586
01:34:29,038 --> 01:34:30,331
that they had no value,

1587
01:34:30,915 --> 01:34:32,458
was our way of life.

1588
01:34:40,466 --> 01:34:43,594
It's beautiful music
when that thunder rolls.

1589
01:34:44,845 --> 01:34:46,764
And that's the way I got my name.

1590
01:34:47,431 --> 01:34:50,726
I used to scream like a little eagle
is what they told me.

1591
01:34:50,893 --> 01:34:54,897
Even when I was a baby in diapers,
run right out in the storm.

1592
01:34:55,690 --> 01:34:56,690
Yeah, I love it.

1593
01:34:57,233 --> 01:35:00,945
And that lightning flash,
there's a lot of power in it, I tell you.

1594
01:35:03,572 --> 01:35:06,012
This tour was named after
Chief Rolling Thunder.

1595
01:35:06,450 --> 01:35:11,539
So, it made sense that we go
to the Tuscarora Indian Reservation and...

1596
01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:13,957
and play.

1597
01:35:14,083 --> 01:35:15,876
We're gonna let our guests get their food.

1598
01:35:16,210 --> 01:35:19,797
I was just told it's gonna be
cafeteria style.

1599
01:35:20,506 --> 01:35:22,883
Bob was seated
right across the table from me,

1600
01:35:22,967 --> 01:35:23,967
and he said,

1601
01:35:24,009 --> 01:35:28,389
"You remember Peter's song
about Ira Hayes?"

1602
01:35:29,348 --> 01:35:33,018
And even today,
there are things to write about...

1603
01:35:34,019 --> 01:35:36,188
for a cowboy, and I'm a cowboy.

1604
01:35:36,772 --> 01:35:38,858
An Indian, and I'm part Indian.

1605
01:35:39,108 --> 01:35:40,568
Or a human being.

1606
01:35:41,402 --> 01:35:43,654
This is a song about a human being,

1607
01:35:45,156 --> 01:35:46,741
who is also an Indian.

1608
01:35:49,326 --> 01:35:51,412
And if you don't remember his name,

1609
01:35:52,371 --> 01:35:55,416
I think you may after this song.

1610
01:35:55,583 --> 01:35:58,461
It's called Ira Hayes.

1611
01:36:04,925 --> 01:36:08,262
- Where would you want me to stand?
<i>- </i>Anywhere you want. It'll be all right.

1612
01:36:31,911 --> 01:36:35,831
<i>♪ Come gather 'round me, people
And a story I will tell ♪</i>

1613
01:36:36,791 --> 01:36:40,836
<i>♪ About Ira Hayes, an Indian
You should remember well ♪</i>

1614
01:36:41,962 --> 01:36:46,425
<i>♪ From the tribe of Pima Indians
A proud and a peaceful band ♪</i>

1615
01:36:47,259 --> 01:36:51,263
<i>♪ They farmed the Phoenix Valley
In the Arizona land ♪</i>

1616
01:36:52,807 --> 01:36:57,603
<i>♪ Down their ditches for a thousand years
The running water rushed ♪</i>

1617
01:36:57,853 --> 01:37:00,439
<i>♪ Till the white man
Stole the water rights ♪</i>

1618
01:37:00,523 --> 01:37:02,483
<i>♪ And the running water hushed ♪</i>

1619
01:37:05,402 --> 01:37:10,491
<i>♪ Now Ira's folks were hungry
And their farms grew crops of weeds ♪</i>

1620
01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:16,580
<i>♪ But when war came, Ira volunteered
And forgot the white man's greed ♪</i>

1621
01:37:17,581 --> 01:37:22,086
<i>♪ Now they started up Iwo Jima hill
With two hundred and fifty men ♪</i>

1622
01:37:22,837 --> 01:37:27,174
<i>♪ But only twenty-seven lived
To walk back down that hill again ♪</i>

1623
01:37:27,758 --> 01:37:32,012
<i>♪ And when the fight was over
And Old Glory raised ♪</i>

1624
01:37:32,763 --> 01:37:36,892
<i>♪ One of the men that held it high
Was the Indian Ira Hayes ♪</i>

1625
01:37:37,810 --> 01:37:40,521
<i>♪ Call him drunken Ira Hayes ♪</i>

1626
01:37:40,604 --> 01:37:42,606
<i>♪ He won't answer anymore ♪</i>

1627
01:37:43,357 --> 01:37:45,484
<i>♪ Not the whiskey-drinkin' Indian ♪</i>

1628
01:37:45,568 --> 01:37:47,945
<i>♪ Or the Marine that went to war ♪</i>

1629
01:37:48,737 --> 01:37:51,323
<i>♪ Call him drunken Ira Hayes ♪</i>

1630
01:37:51,407 --> 01:37:53,701
<i>♪ He won't answer anymore ♪</i>

1631
01:37:54,368 --> 01:37:56,579
<i>♪ Not the whiskey-drinkin' Indian ♪</i>

1632
01:37:56,745 --> 01:37:59,456
<i>♪ Or the Marine that went to war ♪</i>

1633
01:38:00,666 --> 01:38:03,794
This is a United States
diplomatic medal.

1634
01:38:04,461 --> 01:38:06,297
It has... It has, uh...

1635
01:38:07,339 --> 01:38:12,177
an Indian and the first diplomatic team
of... of the United States,

1636
01:38:12,553 --> 01:38:17,725
was given in Philadelphia
on July the 4th, 1776.

1637
01:38:18,559 --> 01:38:21,270
Also, been told that there's a possibility

1638
01:38:21,562 --> 01:38:23,731
that these could be the same beads,

1639
01:38:23,856 --> 01:38:26,734
these, uh, larger ones, that Peter Minuit

1640
01:38:27,484 --> 01:38:30,571
traded the...
our people for Manhattan Island.

1641
01:38:30,654 --> 01:38:33,115
Will you accept this?

1642
01:38:34,700 --> 01:38:36,619
Thanks for everything.
What do you say, folks?

1643
01:38:38,996 --> 01:38:40,796
But somewhere along the line,

1644
01:38:40,831 --> 01:38:42,291
something has failed, and...

1645
01:38:42,458 --> 01:38:46,170
we hope that this country
can straighten out before too long,

1646
01:38:46,253 --> 01:38:49,590
because there are many things
that's going to happen to shape

1647
01:38:49,673 --> 01:38:51,508
not only this country but the world.

1648
01:38:53,135 --> 01:38:54,135
Bob.

1649
01:38:55,137 --> 01:38:56,889
What you... You guys still here?

1650
01:38:58,349 --> 01:39:00,309
Can I ask just one question?

1651
01:39:06,565 --> 01:39:09,652
<i>♪ William Zanzinger
Killed poor Hattie Carroll ♪</i>

1652
01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:13,989
<i>♪ With a cane that he twirled
Round his diamond ring finger ♪</i>

1653
01:39:14,281 --> 01:39:17,701
<i>♪ At a Baltimore hotel
Society gath'rin' ♪</i>

1654
01:39:18,285 --> 01:39:21,914
<i>♪ And the cops were called in
And his weapon took from him ♪</i>

1655
01:39:22,247 --> 01:39:25,960
<i>♪ As they rode him in custody
Down to the station ♪</i>

1656
01:39:26,043 --> 01:39:30,255
<i>♪ And booked William Zanzinger
For first-degree murder ♪</i>

1657
01:39:33,133 --> 01:39:36,971
♪ <i>Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace ♪</i>

1658
01:39:37,054 --> 01:39:39,974
<i>♪ And criticize all fear ♪</i>

1659
01:39:41,225 --> 01:39:45,020
<i>♪ Take the rag away from your face ♪</i>

1660
01:39:45,312 --> 01:39:48,732
<i>♪ Now ain't the time for your tears ♪</i>

1661
01:39:54,279 --> 01:39:58,659
Everything is forgiven
whenever I would see Bob sing.

1662
01:39:59,743 --> 01:40:01,078
It is so...

1663
01:40:01,495 --> 01:40:02,830
the charisma...

1664
01:40:03,914 --> 01:40:06,291
that he has, I've never seen anywhere,

1665
01:40:06,917 --> 01:40:08,293
before or since.

1666
01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:12,047
And the beauty of those songs...

1667
01:40:13,924 --> 01:40:14,925
I don't.

1668
01:40:15,134 --> 01:40:17,553
Jack Kerouac, uh, writes like ticker tape.

1669
01:40:18,554 --> 01:40:20,681
I used to see you write like ticker tape.

1670
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,227
I used to feed you salad and red wine
while you wrote like ticker tape.

1671
01:40:25,811 --> 01:40:26,687
Yeah, I remember.

1672
01:40:26,770 --> 01:40:28,856
Brilliant stuff. William Zanzinger.

1673
01:40:29,064 --> 01:40:31,150
Overlooking the Pacific.

1674
01:40:31,859 --> 01:40:34,069
The wild Pacific Ocean in Big Sur, right?

1675
01:40:34,153 --> 01:40:36,030
- William Zanzinger.
- Where was that written?

1676
01:40:36,113 --> 01:40:38,741
"Hattie Carroll." One of the best songs
I think you ever wrote.

1677
01:40:38,824 --> 01:40:40,544
I think it's one of the best songs
you sing.

1678
01:40:40,576 --> 01:40:43,579
Thank you.
How come you take it on the stage now?

1679
01:40:43,954 --> 01:40:46,123
'Cause you won't sing it.

1680
01:40:47,249 --> 01:40:48,249
Oh, Bob.

1681
01:40:49,251 --> 01:40:50,251
Sure, I will.

1682
01:40:51,211 --> 01:40:52,796
Just 'cause I screwed up the words.

1683
01:40:53,047 --> 01:40:54,927
- Well, it really...
- How do you like my dress?

1684
01:40:54,965 --> 01:40:57,676
...displeases me that you...
that you went off and got married

1685
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,011
and... and, uh...

1686
01:41:00,637 --> 01:41:03,140
You went off and got married first
and didn't tell me.

1687
01:41:03,682 --> 01:41:05,684
Yeah, but...

1688
01:41:09,188 --> 01:41:12,399
- You should have told me or something.
- But I married the woman I loved.

1689
01:41:12,483 --> 01:41:13,483
I know, that's true.

1690
01:41:14,568 --> 01:41:17,404
That's true.
And I married the man I thought I loved.

1691
01:41:22,284 --> 01:41:24,244
See, that's what thought
has to do with it.

1692
01:41:24,328 --> 01:41:25,829
Thought will fuck you up.

1693
01:41:27,206 --> 01:41:28,540
You're right. I agree with that.

1694
01:41:28,624 --> 01:41:30,876
See, it's heart, it's not... it's not head.

1695
01:41:39,718 --> 01:41:42,221
<i>♪ Hattie Carroll was
A maid of the kitchen ♪</i>

1696
01:41:42,638 --> 01:41:46,225
<i>♪ She was fifty-one years old
And gave birth to ten children ♪</i>

1697
01:41:46,725 --> 01:41:50,521
<i>♪ She cleaned up the dishes
Hauled out the garbage ♪</i>

1698
01:41:50,896 --> 01:41:53,816
<i>♪ And never sat once
At the head of the table ♪</i>

1699
01:41:54,608 --> 01:41:57,945
<i>♪ She just cleaned up
All the food from the table ♪</i>

1700
01:41:58,529 --> 01:42:01,824
<i>♪ And emptied the ashtrays
On a whole other level ♪</i>

1701
01:42:02,282 --> 01:42:06,078
<i>♪ Got killed by a blow
Lay slain by a cane ♪</i>

1702
01:42:06,245 --> 01:42:09,915
<i>♪ That sailed through the air
And came down through the room ♪</i>

1703
01:42:10,290 --> 01:42:13,794
<i>♪ Doomed and determined
To destroy all the gentle ♪</i>

1704
01:42:14,002 --> 01:42:17,881
<i>♪ And she never done nothing
To William Zanzinger ♪</i>

1705
01:42:20,801 --> 01:42:27,516
<i>♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace
And criticize all fears ♪</i>

1706
01:42:28,809 --> 01:42:32,771
<i>♪ Take the rag away from your face ♪</i>

1707
01:42:32,855 --> 01:42:36,066
<i>♪ Now ain't the time for your tears ♪</i>

1708
01:43:00,007 --> 01:43:03,552
<i>♪ In the courtroom of honor
The judge pounded his gavel ♪</i>

1709
01:43:04,094 --> 01:43:07,681
<i>♪ To show that all's equal
And that the courts are on the level ♪</i>

1710
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:11,310
<i>♪ That the strings in the books
Ain't pulled and persuaded ♪</i>

1711
01:43:11,852 --> 01:43:15,480
<i>♪ And that even the nobles
Get properly handled ♪</i>

1712
01:43:15,856 --> 01:43:19,484
<i>♪ Once that the cops
Have chased after and caught 'em ♪</i>

1713
01:43:19,735 --> 01:43:22,946
<i>♪ That the ladder of law
Has no top and no bottom ♪</i>

1714
01:43:23,655 --> 01:43:27,326
<i>♪ Stared at the person
Who killed for no reason ♪</i>

1715
01:43:27,492 --> 01:43:31,288
<i>♪ Who just happened to be feelin'
That way without warnin' ♪</i>

1716
01:43:31,455 --> 01:43:35,375
<i>♪ And he spoke through his cloak
So deep and distinguished ♪</i>

1717
01:43:35,709 --> 01:43:39,171
<i>♪ Handed out strongly
For penalty and repentance ♪</i>

1718
01:43:39,421 --> 01:43:43,383
<i>♪ William Zanzinger
With a six-month sentence ♪</i>

1719
01:43:46,011 --> 01:43:49,806
<i>♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace</i> ♪

1720
01:43:49,932 --> 01:43:52,851
<i>♪ And criticize all fear ♪</i>

1721
01:43:54,186 --> 01:43:57,814
<i>♪ Bury the rag deep in your face ♪</i>

1722
01:43:58,148 --> 01:44:01,151
<i>♪ Now is the time for your tears ♪</i>

1723
01:44:25,092 --> 01:44:27,678
<i>♪ But sleep won't come ♪</i>

1724
01:44:29,388 --> 01:44:31,515
<i>♪ The whole night through ♪</i>

1725
01:44:33,642 --> 01:44:37,646
<i>♪ Your cheatin' heart ♪</i>

1726
01:44:37,938 --> 01:44:39,898
<i>♪ Will tell on you ♪</i>

1727
01:44:42,317 --> 01:44:45,570
<i>♪ You'll walk the floor ♪</i>

1728
01:44:46,655 --> 01:44:49,241
<i>♪ And shout my name ♪</i>

1729
01:44:50,951 --> 01:44:52,470
<i>The hours are creeping down.</i>

1730
01:44:52,494 --> 01:44:55,122
<i>- We got to get the story.
- I'm getting it!</i>

1731
01:44:55,205 --> 01:44:58,417
<i>I'm only up all fuckin' night
when the hours are creeping down.</i>

1732
01:44:59,042 --> 01:45:01,104
<i>Well, I mean,
you had two fuckin' weeks, Larry.</i>

1733
01:45:01,128 --> 01:45:01,962
<i>To do what?</i>

1734
01:45:02,045 --> 01:45:05,275
- <i>To get a story, instead of...
- I gave you a story, I gave you...</i>

1735
01:45:05,299 --> 01:45:07,426
<i>That had a lot
of fuckin' holes in it.</i>

1736
01:45:07,509 --> 01:45:09,988
- <i>Well, but you're a bureaucrat.
- Oh, bullshit.</i>

1737
01:45:10,012 --> 01:45:11,948
<i>- Where do you get that crap?
- You ask...</i>

1738
01:45:11,972 --> 01:45:13,932
<i>You </i>are <i>a bureaucrat.
You ask me fuckin'...</i>

1739
01:45:14,016 --> 01:45:15,934
<i>uh, </i>Wall Street Journal <i>questions.</i>

1740
01:45:16,018 --> 01:45:18,037
<i>- Bullshit.
- Those are the questions...</i>

1741
01:45:18,061 --> 01:45:19,831
<i>Everybody in the fuckin' country
wants to know...</i>

1742
01:45:19,855 --> 01:45:23,066
<i>You're asking me
music business questions, man.</i>

1743
01:45:23,483 --> 01:45:24,711
<i>That's part of it, isn't it?</i>

1744
01:45:24,735 --> 01:45:26,462
<i>But that's not
what the kids wanna read.</i>

1745
01:45:26,486 --> 01:45:29,281
- <i>How do you know?
- I know kids, man! I ask them.</i>

1746
01:45:29,364 --> 01:45:33,118
<i>♪...and call my name ♪</i>

1747
01:45:33,201 --> 01:45:36,288
<i>Rolling Stone </i>magazine
was interested in the economics,

1748
01:45:36,371 --> 01:45:38,290
how much are these people getting paid...

1749
01:45:38,373 --> 01:45:41,084
You know, why are they playing
bigger halls as the tour went on?

1750
01:45:41,168 --> 01:45:43,128
Those were the kind of questions
they were asking,

1751
01:45:43,211 --> 01:45:44,651
and I didn't give a shit about that.

1752
01:45:44,713 --> 01:45:48,717
I mean, what I was concerned with was,
you know, chronicling this...

1753
01:45:49,593 --> 01:45:51,470
this, uh, cultural event.

1754
01:45:52,846 --> 01:45:55,182
- Can I offer you a beer?
- Sure.

1755
01:45:57,184 --> 01:45:58,935
- There we go.
- Thank you.

1756
01:46:00,312 --> 01:46:02,689
There ain't too many Medicis
around these days,

1757
01:46:03,065 --> 01:46:06,276
and whether you're out on the road
with a lot of people,

1758
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:07,652
or you're making a movie,

1759
01:46:07,736 --> 01:46:11,031
or any kind of creative endeavor
that takes resources,

1760
01:46:11,865 --> 01:46:12,865
you need money.

1761
01:46:12,949 --> 01:46:15,410
And you gotta go to somebody
who believes

1762
01:46:15,494 --> 01:46:18,497
that they're gonna get their money back
and maybe a little more.

1763
01:46:18,580 --> 01:46:21,583
So, yeah,
there's always this natural tension

1764
01:46:21,666 --> 01:46:22,918
between art and commerce.

1765
01:46:23,001 --> 01:46:25,063
Okay, how 'bout...
We gotta cut one of Jack's.

1766
01:46:25,087 --> 01:46:28,232
- He says to cut "Muleskinner."
- He wants to cut "Muleskinner."

1767
01:46:28,256 --> 01:46:30,217
All right. Okay.

1768
01:46:31,051 --> 01:46:32,719
I'll talk to Bob about this.

1769
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,515
- All right, Allen's gonna do something?
- Five minutes. Very brief.

1770
01:46:36,598 --> 01:46:39,410
You got a whole different audience.
Did you look at those people?

1771
01:46:39,434 --> 01:46:42,354
They're not familiar with Dylan or Baez
or anybody else.

1772
01:46:42,437 --> 01:46:43,271
Right.

1773
01:46:43,355 --> 01:46:45,715
If you go up and spill poetry
for any length of time,

1774
01:46:45,774 --> 01:46:47,734
they're gonna be, you know, gone,
you know?

1775
01:46:47,818 --> 01:46:49,319
Make it two minutes, Allen.

1776
01:46:49,403 --> 01:46:51,238
Two minutes is plenty,
I'm telling you.

1777
01:46:51,321 --> 01:46:52,864
- Okay.
- What about more cuts?

1778
01:46:52,948 --> 01:46:54,866
- Two minutes.
- We're still cutting.

1779
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:57,202
The show was originally
three hours.

1780
01:46:57,285 --> 01:47:00,372
Ginsberg, who appeared
in the show originally,

1781
01:47:00,997 --> 01:47:04,584
there was not enough time for him
to perform during the show,

1782
01:47:04,668 --> 01:47:06,711
so his section was cut.

1783
01:47:10,715 --> 01:47:13,760
He and Peter Orlovsky
became the baggage handlers.

1784
01:47:15,137 --> 01:47:18,807
We would put our bags outside the door,
and he would take them every day.

1785
01:47:19,641 --> 01:47:21,059
You're a fuckin' luggage handler?

1786
01:47:21,143 --> 01:47:23,645
- God, yeah, and I give massages sometimes.
- You're a poet!

1787
01:47:23,728 --> 01:47:26,314
I make myself useful around, on the, uh...

1788
01:47:27,023 --> 01:47:31,403
Uh... helping Chris with the newsletter
and putting out the newsletter.

1789
01:47:31,486 --> 01:47:32,904
- You do errands?
- Errands, right.

1790
01:47:32,988 --> 01:47:34,531
I can't believe this shit.

1791
01:47:34,614 --> 01:47:37,367
What kind of tour is this?
You're a fuckin' great poet, Peter.

1792
01:47:37,451 --> 01:47:40,871
I'm learning... Been practicing banjo,
and I've been sitting every morning...

1793
01:47:40,954 --> 01:47:44,166
Uh, tomorrow morning, we're gonna sit
with Allen for one hour.

1794
01:47:44,249 --> 01:47:46,585
- To do what?
- After we wake up, sit and meditate.

1795
01:47:49,087 --> 01:47:51,423
At a party
at Gordon Lightfoot's house,

1796
01:47:51,506 --> 01:47:52,966
Toronto, Canada.

1797
01:48:19,117 --> 01:48:22,496
Joni Mitchell, she would go out
and do her new songs.

1798
01:48:22,579 --> 01:48:23,872
She wouldn't do any hits.

1799
01:48:24,289 --> 01:48:27,459
And the audience reaction
was a little sort of muted

1800
01:48:27,542 --> 01:48:28,835
for these new songs,

1801
01:48:28,919 --> 01:48:31,421
as it usually is when artists
try to do new songs.

1802
01:48:31,505 --> 01:48:33,548
And I remember,
she came off and she said,

1803
01:48:33,632 --> 01:48:36,927
"McGuinn, I don't know why
I'm so scared out there. I just don't..."

1804
01:48:37,010 --> 01:48:38,553
I said, "You're just doing new songs.

1805
01:48:38,637 --> 01:48:40,437
You ought to do something
that they recognize,

1806
01:48:40,514 --> 01:48:42,349
and then they'll, you know, loosen up."

1807
01:48:42,432 --> 01:48:45,727
She said, "No, no, I... I can't do that.
I think that's a bad idea."

1808
01:48:52,025 --> 01:48:56,196
I admired her for her courage
to do the new stuff only.

1809
01:48:58,615 --> 01:49:00,909
Joni wrote this song
about this tour,

1810
01:49:00,992 --> 01:49:03,370
and on this tour, and for this tour.

1811
01:49:23,014 --> 01:49:24,182
Okay, D-minor now.

1812
01:49:28,603 --> 01:49:30,063
Yeah, some dissonance.

1813
01:49:31,356 --> 01:49:37,153
I had been loudly proclaiming
that my three favorite male songwriters

1814
01:49:37,529 --> 01:49:40,156
were Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen,
and Kinky Friedman.

1815
01:49:40,949 --> 01:49:45,870
So, Jonistarted interrogating me
backstage one day, saying,

1816
01:49:46,621 --> 01:49:48,206
"What do you mean, male?

1817
01:49:48,290 --> 01:49:50,458
Why do you make that distinction,
male songwriters?

1818
01:49:50,542 --> 01:49:52,210
I mean, what about my stuff?

1819
01:49:52,419 --> 01:49:55,338
I mean, don't you characterize my stuff,
like, you know,

1820
01:49:55,422 --> 01:49:57,882
in the same league as Bob
and Leonard Cohen?"

1821
01:50:00,552 --> 01:50:02,637
And we got into
this long discussion about,

1822
01:50:02,721 --> 01:50:06,182
well, the male versus female perspective,
and anima-animus,

1823
01:50:06,266 --> 01:50:08,810
and, you know, male-female dynamic,
and everything, you know.

1824
01:50:08,893 --> 01:50:12,731
But it became this long,
drawn-out confrontation,

1825
01:50:12,814 --> 01:50:14,274
and we bonded on that.

1826
01:50:15,442 --> 01:50:17,152
<i>♪ No regrets, Coyote ♪</i>

1827
01:50:17,861 --> 01:50:20,905
<i>♪ We just come from such different sets
Of circumstance ♪</i>

1828
01:50:20,989 --> 01:50:22,699
<i>♪ I'm up all night in the studios ♪</i>

1829
01:50:22,782 --> 01:50:26,453
<i>♪ And you're up early on your ranch ♪</i>

1830
01:50:26,995 --> 01:50:29,289
<i>♪ Brushing out a broodmare's tail ♪</i>

1831
01:50:29,456 --> 01:50:31,041
<i>♪ While the sun is ascending ♪</i>

1832
01:50:31,124 --> 01:50:34,961
<i>♪ And I'll just be getting home
With my reel-to-reel ♪</i>

1833
01:50:35,545 --> 01:50:37,255
<i>♪ There's no comprehending ♪</i>

1834
01:50:38,006 --> 01:50:40,425
<i>♪ Just how close
To the bone and the skin ♪</i>

1835
01:50:40,675 --> 01:50:43,428
<i>♪ And the eyes and the lips you can get ♪</i>

1836
01:50:43,887 --> 01:50:46,389
<i>♪ And still feel so alone ♪</i>

1837
01:50:46,931 --> 01:50:49,059
<i>♪ And still feel related ♪</i>

1838
01:50:49,517 --> 01:50:51,519
<i>♪ Like stations in a relay ♪</i>

1839
01:50:51,936 --> 01:50:54,939
<i>♪ You're not a hit-and-run driver
No, no ♪</i>

1840
01:50:55,565 --> 01:50:57,150
<i>♪ Racing away ♪</i>

1841
01:50:58,234 --> 01:51:00,070
<i>♪ You just picked up a hitcher ♪</i>

1842
01:51:00,654 --> 01:51:05,408
<i>♪ A prisoner of the white lines
On the freeway ♪</i>

1843
01:51:15,418 --> 01:51:17,462
<i>♪ We saw a farmhouse burning down ♪</i>

1844
01:51:18,296 --> 01:51:21,007
<i>♪ In the middle of nowhere
In the middle of the night ♪</i>

1845
01:51:21,132 --> 01:51:23,343
<i>♪ And we rolled right past that tragedy ♪</i>

1846
01:51:23,551 --> 01:51:26,346
<i>♪ Till we came to some roadside lights ♪</i>

1847
01:51:26,638 --> 01:51:29,015
<i>♪ And a local band was playing ♪</i>

1848
01:51:29,099 --> 01:51:32,185
<i>♪ Locals were mincin'
And shakin' on the floor ♪</i>

1849
01:51:32,477 --> 01:51:33,978
<i>♪ The next thing I know ♪</i>

1850
01:51:35,271 --> 01:51:36,815
<i>♪ That Coyote's at my door ♪</i>

1851
01:51:37,899 --> 01:51:40,694
<i>♪ And he pins me in a corner
And he won't take no ♪</i>

1852
01:51:41,111 --> 01:51:42,946
<i>♪ He drags me out on the dance floor ♪</i>

1853
01:51:43,029 --> 01:51:46,032
<i>♪ And we're dancin' close and slow ♪</i>

1854
01:51:46,366 --> 01:51:48,493
<i>♪ He's got a woman at home ♪</i>

1855
01:51:48,827 --> 01:51:52,080
<i>♪ One for the night
And now he wants one for the day ♪</i>

1856
01:51:52,414 --> 01:51:56,501
<i>♪ Oh, why'd you have to get so drunk
And lead me on that way? ♪</i>

1857
01:51:57,711 --> 01:51:59,629
<i>♪ You just picked up a hitcher ♪</i>

1858
01:52:00,296 --> 01:52:04,467
<i>♪ A prisoner of the white lines
And the freeway ♪</i>

1859
01:52:32,954 --> 01:52:34,581
Let's call Hopper, man.

1860
01:52:34,664 --> 01:52:36,458
Fuck yeah.
Let me change channels.

1861
01:52:36,541 --> 01:52:38,251
Why do you have that?

1862
01:52:38,334 --> 01:52:39,878
What are you on, channel 31?

1863
01:52:39,961 --> 01:52:41,796
- Uh, give me, uh...
- Okay.

1864
01:52:42,005 --> 01:52:42,839
Okay.

1865
01:52:42,922 --> 01:52:45,967
<i>♪ I took my troubles
Down to Madame Rue ♪</i>

1866
01:52:46,885 --> 01:52:49,971
<i>♪ You know that gypsy
With the gold-capped tooth ♪</i>

1867
01:52:50,555 --> 01:52:53,892
<i>♪ She's got a pad
Down on Thirty-Fourth and Vine ♪</i>

1868
01:52:54,392 --> 01:52:59,564
<i>♪ Sellin' little bottles
Of Love Potion Number Nine ♪</i>

1869
01:52:59,647 --> 01:53:01,065
What poetry is,

1870
01:53:01,941 --> 01:53:04,861
the natural object, where we are now,

1871
01:53:04,944 --> 01:53:06,696
is always adequate symbol,

1872
01:53:06,780 --> 01:53:09,616
so you don't have
to invent romantic myths,

1873
01:53:10,033 --> 01:53:12,702
diamond dancers on oceansides.

1874
01:53:13,953 --> 01:53:18,124
The scratching of the pen
or the noise in the back of the bar

1875
01:53:18,541 --> 01:53:19,667
is part of the music.

1876
01:53:21,211 --> 01:53:24,756
<i>♪ She bent down, turned around
And gave me a wink ♪</i>

1877
01:53:25,006 --> 01:53:28,384
<i>♪ She said, "I'm gonna mix it up
Right here in the sink" ♪</i>

1878
01:53:28,718 --> 01:53:30,553
<i>♪ It smelled like turpentine... ♪</i>

1879
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:33,848
I've never had more faith in America

1880
01:53:34,516 --> 01:53:35,558
than I do today.

1881
01:53:36,351 --> 01:53:37,644
We have an America

1882
01:53:38,186 --> 01:53:39,896
that, in Bob Dylan's phrase,

1883
01:53:40,438 --> 01:53:42,190
is busy being born,

1884
01:53:43,525 --> 01:53:44,776
not busy dying.

1885
01:53:48,154 --> 01:53:50,990
I was very enamored
of Jimmy Carter.

1886
01:53:51,074 --> 01:53:54,994
He... I thought he was a really soulful,
interesting guy,

1887
01:53:55,078 --> 01:53:56,246
and he liked me.

1888
01:53:56,788 --> 01:53:59,874
So, you know, Imaintained
a relationship with him for a long time.

1889
01:53:59,958 --> 01:54:01,167
And he's the guy

1890
01:54:01,709 --> 01:54:05,338
who got me into the Rolling Thunder
concert that night.

1891
01:54:05,547 --> 01:54:06,756
Jimmy Carter.

1892
01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:08,508
Which is another story.

1893
01:54:09,467 --> 01:54:13,137
I was... I was one of the youngest members
of the Congress.

1894
01:54:13,221 --> 01:54:14,931
And so I was, um...

1895
01:54:16,140 --> 01:54:19,269
Yeah, I mean,
I was torn between two generations there.

1896
01:54:19,352 --> 01:54:22,480
I was being pulled in both...
You know, you want to get anything done,

1897
01:54:22,564 --> 01:54:24,691
you have to get along
with people in the Congress.

1898
01:54:24,858 --> 01:54:28,361
You know, you don't get anything done
anymore because nobody wants to, but...

1899
01:54:28,736 --> 01:54:30,905
in my day you, you know,
you made an effort

1900
01:54:31,155 --> 01:54:32,365
to get along with these guys.

1901
01:54:32,448 --> 01:54:34,492
And most of them were considerably older
than I was.

1902
01:54:34,576 --> 01:54:38,413
And Dylan was considered the enemy,
really, by a lot of these guys.

1903
01:54:38,746 --> 01:54:41,541
I had grown up in this era where,
you know, you wanted to be an adult,

1904
01:54:41,624 --> 01:54:44,085
you wanted to drink a martini
with your dad, you know.

1905
01:54:44,168 --> 01:54:45,211
And now...

1906
01:54:45,503 --> 01:54:48,131
you know, "Never trust anybody over 30."
Right?

1907
01:54:48,214 --> 01:54:51,092
And I'm caught in the middle of this,
and I'm dealing in the Congress

1908
01:54:51,175 --> 01:54:52,760
with all these old guys, and...

1909
01:54:52,927 --> 01:54:55,555
You know, it's an interesting conundrum.

1910
01:54:56,598 --> 01:54:59,518
<i>My own
interest in the criminal justice system</i>

1911
01:54:59,601 --> 01:55:00,935
<i>is very heartfelt.</i>

1912
01:55:01,436 --> 01:55:03,646
<i>One of the sources
for my understanding about</i>

1913
01:55:03,771 --> 01:55:05,523
<i>what's right and wrong in this society</i>

1914
01:55:05,607 --> 01:55:08,318
<i>is from a personal,
very close friend of mine</i>

1915
01:55:08,693 --> 01:55:10,653
<i>a great poet named Bob Dylan.</i>

1916
01:55:11,696 --> 01:55:15,199
<i>After listening to his records
about "The Ballad of Hattie Carroll"</i>

1917
01:55:15,283 --> 01:55:17,160
<i>and "Like a Rolling Stone,"</i>

1918
01:55:17,744 --> 01:55:23,666
<i>I've learned to appreciate the dynamism
of change in a modern society.</i>

1919
01:55:24,542 --> 01:55:27,587
<i>I grew up as a landowner's son,</i>

1920
01:55:27,962 --> 01:55:31,132
<i>but I don't think I ever realized
that the proper interrelationship</i>

1921
01:55:31,215 --> 01:55:33,968
<i>between the landowner
and those who worked on a farm</i>

1922
01:55:34,385 --> 01:55:36,846
<i>until I heard Dylan's record,</i>

1923
01:55:36,930 --> 01:55:39,349
<i>"I Ain't Gonna Work On Maggie's Farm
No More."</i>

1924
01:55:40,433 --> 01:55:42,953
So I went to this meeting,
I believe it was in Atlanta.

1925
01:55:43,478 --> 01:55:47,690
Jimmy was there,
and he and I spoke about a few things.

1926
01:55:47,774 --> 01:55:51,402
And I can't remember exactly
what was left unsaid,

1927
01:55:51,486 --> 01:55:54,072
but I told him that I would call him back
that night,

1928
01:55:54,155 --> 01:55:56,074
and we were gonna finish
this conversation.

1929
01:55:56,157 --> 01:55:57,700
I had to get to the airport.

1930
01:55:58,201 --> 01:56:00,328
So I get on the flight,
I'm trying to get home.

1931
01:56:00,828 --> 01:56:05,375
And I got caught in a storm,
and we got diverted to Niagara Falls.

1932
01:56:06,042 --> 01:56:08,962
And I get stashed
in this cheesy little motel

1933
01:56:09,045 --> 01:56:10,546
that the airline put us up in.

1934
01:56:11,005 --> 01:56:12,725
I called Jimmy to say
I hadn't reached home,

1935
01:56:12,757 --> 01:56:15,009
but we could talk tomorrow,
and he said, "Where are you?"

1936
01:56:15,093 --> 01:56:17,387
And I said, "I'm in Niagara Falls."
And he says, "Well,

1937
01:56:17,470 --> 01:56:19,764
you just hit the jackpot because...

1938
01:56:19,847 --> 01:56:22,934
because Bob Dylan's
doing this Rolling Thunder concert

1939
01:56:23,017 --> 01:56:25,144
there tonight, and you can go."

1940
01:56:25,603 --> 01:56:29,232
He said, "I'll call him
and I'll get you in."

1941
01:56:29,691 --> 01:56:32,151
Dylan!

1942
01:56:33,069 --> 01:56:34,862
Dylan, you're beautiful!

1943
01:56:36,823 --> 01:56:39,325
<i>Uncle Sam is going to sing</i>

1944
01:56:39,409 --> 01:56:42,537
<i>one of his versions
of "The Star-Spangled Banner."</i>

1945
01:56:42,787 --> 01:56:43,787
<i>Ladies and gentlemen...</i>

1946
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:46,541
<i>I saw
the best minds of my generation</i>

1947
01:56:46,624 --> 01:56:48,334
<i>destroyed by madness,</i>

1948
01:56:48,418 --> 01:56:49,627
<i>starving hysterical...</i>

1949
01:56:49,752 --> 01:56:52,255
<i>This song about a human being</i>

1950
01:56:52,338 --> 01:56:53,589
<i>who is also an Indian.</i>

1951
01:56:55,550 --> 01:56:58,803
- <i>"Let America be America again."
- And if you don't remember...</i>

1952
01:56:58,886 --> 01:57:00,972
<i>"Let it be the dream it used to be."</i>

1953
01:57:08,312 --> 01:57:09,992
No, I'm sorry, you... you can't...

1954
01:57:10,023 --> 01:57:12,859
- Excuse me. You can't shoot in here.
- You need authorization.

1955
01:57:12,942 --> 01:57:14,819
You cannot shoot in here, sir.

1956
01:57:14,902 --> 01:57:17,780
- Why can't I shoot in here?
- He's running the camera.

1957
01:57:17,864 --> 01:57:19,344
What organization are you from?

1958
01:57:21,826 --> 01:57:23,494
Do you know
where you're going to?

1959
01:57:23,578 --> 01:57:25,121
I don't know. You'll have to ask him.

1960
01:57:26,539 --> 01:57:30,501
I'm sorry you had the hassle.
Uh, we didn't know you were coming.

1961
01:57:31,335 --> 01:57:32,335
Obviously.

1962
01:57:32,378 --> 01:57:34,148
We just happened to be
in the neighborhood.

1963
01:57:34,172 --> 01:57:37,050
- I heard it was you.
- I brought a friend if you don't mind.

1964
01:57:37,133 --> 01:57:40,011
No, I don't mind, but I'm sorry
you had any trouble downstairs.

1965
01:57:40,094 --> 01:57:41,554
Uh, Irwin, this is Bob.

1966
01:57:41,637 --> 01:57:42,847
- How are you?
- Good.

1967
01:57:42,930 --> 01:57:44,182
But if you're looking...

1968
01:57:45,224 --> 01:57:46,726
to help the guy, in effect,

1969
01:57:46,934 --> 01:57:50,646
you know, and your purpose is a social one
rather than a record one,

1970
01:57:51,022 --> 01:57:54,275
then I think it probably would make sense,
you know, to comment, you know, early.

1971
01:57:54,358 --> 01:57:56,986
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know what your motivations are.

1972
01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,840
You're kind of throwing it out
and I haven't given a lot of thought.

1973
01:57:59,864 --> 01:58:01,532
I think there's a Top 40 AM problem.

1974
01:58:01,616 --> 01:58:05,453
Conversely,
there may be a lot of black radio play,

1975
01:58:05,536 --> 01:58:06,954
for example, in the east.

1976
01:58:07,205 --> 01:58:09,916
- Or you make it AM play.
- So WWRL would...

1977
01:58:09,999 --> 01:58:12,835
It's a Bob Dylan statement,
that it is unique.

1978
01:58:12,919 --> 01:58:14,271
Whoever wants to play it can play it,

1979
01:58:14,295 --> 01:58:15,975
but the idea is he wants it
on the streets,

1980
01:58:16,005 --> 01:58:18,257
so people can do with it what they want.

1981
01:58:18,341 --> 01:58:19,842
But with those caveats,

1982
01:58:19,926 --> 01:58:22,970
your motivation is to try to do
what you can for the guy,

1983
01:58:23,054 --> 01:58:25,454
then it probably makes sense
to do it as quickly as possible.

1984
01:58:25,515 --> 01:58:27,809
- That's the motivation.
- Uh...

1985
01:58:27,892 --> 01:58:31,104
<i>♪ Pistol shots ring out
In a barroom night ♪</i>

1986
01:58:31,646 --> 01:58:35,358
<i>♪ Enter Patty Valentine
From the upper hall ♪</i>

1987
01:58:35,775 --> 01:58:39,028
<i>♪ She sees the bartender
In a pool of blood ♪</i>

1988
01:58:39,612 --> 01:58:43,199
<i>♪ Cries out, "My God
They killed them all"... ♪</i>

1989
01:58:43,282 --> 01:58:46,452
If they can get it out on the street
in a week that's, you know, that's good.

1990
01:58:46,536 --> 01:58:47,995
That's what they were talking about.

1991
01:58:49,122 --> 01:58:52,041
Rubin Carter
was an amazing boxer,

1992
01:58:52,125 --> 01:58:53,000
middleweight,

1993
01:58:53,084 --> 01:58:54,794
who had been framed

1994
01:58:55,419 --> 01:58:57,713
for a murder in New Jersey

1995
01:58:57,797 --> 01:59:01,425
and was languishing now
in Rahway State Prison.

1996
01:59:02,677 --> 01:59:04,277
Bob wrote this incredible song,

1997
01:59:04,846 --> 01:59:08,641
"Hurricane," and was very concerned
about getting him out.

1998
01:59:09,267 --> 01:59:12,854
I'd written songs about boxers before,
so that was nothing new, but, uh...

1999
01:59:13,938 --> 01:59:16,357
I hadn't really thought about,
uh, Hurricane...

2000
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,318
because I didn't know about Hurricane.

2001
01:59:19,610 --> 01:59:20,610
Uh...

2002
01:59:21,028 --> 01:59:22,028
It...

2003
01:59:23,114 --> 01:59:24,949
It never really crossed my path.

2004
01:59:26,367 --> 01:59:27,967
I got the book. I read it.

2005
01:59:27,994 --> 01:59:30,997
Um, I, you know, made a mental note
that if I was coming east,

2006
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,249
or if I was east, I would, uh, visit him.

2007
01:59:33,499 --> 01:59:36,294
We were there for, you know,
most of the day,

2008
01:59:36,377 --> 01:59:37,628
as far as I can remember.

2009
01:59:37,837 --> 01:59:40,923
Uh, we got there in the morning
and then left him when it was dark.

2010
01:59:41,757 --> 01:59:43,217
I realized the man's philosophy

2011
01:59:43,301 --> 01:59:46,679
and my philosophy were running
on the same road.

2012
01:59:46,888 --> 01:59:49,765
You know, and, uh,
you don't meet too many people like that,

2013
01:59:49,849 --> 01:59:55,062
you know, that you just know that kinda
on the same path, mentally, you know.

2014
01:59:55,146 --> 01:59:56,272
Yeah.

2015
01:59:56,355 --> 02:00:00,401
Dylan was different than other people
who came to see me.

2016
02:00:00,776 --> 02:00:03,571
I mean, other people would ask
the obvious questions.

2017
02:00:03,654 --> 02:00:05,198
"Rubin, are you guilty?"

2018
02:00:05,573 --> 02:00:08,784
You know, "Did you commit this crime?"
"Did you do that?" You know.

2019
02:00:08,868 --> 02:00:10,328
But Dylan wasn't asking that.

2020
02:00:10,828 --> 02:00:14,373
Not at all. It seemed
like he was searching for something else.

2021
02:00:14,665 --> 02:00:16,417
It was as if he was saying,

2022
02:00:17,543 --> 02:00:18,544
"Who are you, man?"

2023
02:00:19,045 --> 02:00:21,422
You know, "Are you what I see?"

2024
02:00:22,590 --> 02:00:26,928
I had a friend of mine send me his lyrics
to his songs,

2025
02:00:27,511 --> 02:00:29,138
and so I could read his lyrics,

2026
02:00:29,222 --> 02:00:33,601
so I can get an... an idea
of who I'm talkin' to here, you know.

2027
02:00:34,518 --> 02:00:35,518
And...

2028
02:00:35,853 --> 02:00:39,523
I found something
that was, uh, very interesting.Very...

2029
02:00:39,857 --> 02:00:41,234
That really connected us.

2030
02:00:41,525 --> 02:00:46,280
Both of us were... were performers
and crowd-pleasers.

2031
02:00:46,572 --> 02:00:49,033
You know, me with the vicious left hook,

2032
02:00:49,825 --> 02:00:54,080
you know, whose parents grew up
in the Jim Crow South,

2033
02:00:54,664 --> 02:01:00,378
and Dylan, uh, you know, with his... uh...
the troubadour.

2034
02:01:00,836 --> 02:01:03,636
So you got back, and you had
the germ of an idea to do a song?

2035
02:01:03,714 --> 02:01:04,858
- Yeah.
- Why?

2036
02:01:04,882 --> 02:01:07,176
I mean, you know,
is this a return to protest...

2037
02:01:07,301 --> 02:01:08,594
I mean...

2038
02:01:08,678 --> 02:01:11,681
You know,
is this, uh, "Hattie Carroll" revisited?

2039
02:01:12,932 --> 02:01:15,851
Um, there's an injustice
that has been done, you know.

2040
02:01:15,935 --> 02:01:18,437
And the fact is
that it can happen to anybody.

2041
02:01:18,521 --> 02:01:19,957
- Mm-hmm.
- You know?

2042
02:01:19,981 --> 02:01:22,525
- And we have to be confronted with that.
- So... So...

2043
02:01:23,025 --> 02:01:25,027
This song is called "Hurricane."

2044
02:01:26,821 --> 02:01:28,864
If you got any political pull at all,

2045
02:01:28,948 --> 02:01:31,367
maybe you can help us get this man
out of jail,

2046
02:01:31,993 --> 02:01:33,536
back onto the streets.

2047
02:01:58,477 --> 02:02:01,314
<i>♪ Pistol shots ring out
In the barroom night ♪</i>

2048
02:02:01,814 --> 02:02:04,817
<i>♪ Enter Patty Valentine
From the outer hall ♪</i>

2049
02:02:05,276 --> 02:02:07,987
<i>♪ She sees the bartender
In a pool of blood ♪</i>

2050
02:02:08,279 --> 02:02:11,282
<i>♪ Cries out, "My God,
They've killed 'em all!" ♪</i>

2051
02:02:11,949 --> 02:02:14,410
<i>♪ Here comes the story of the Hurricane ♪</i>

2052
02:02:15,328 --> 02:02:17,705
<i>♪ The man the authorities came to blame ♪</i>

2053
02:02:18,581 --> 02:02:20,583
<i>♪ For somethin' that he never done ♪</i>

2054
02:02:21,876 --> 02:02:25,421
<i>♪ Put in a prison cell
But one time he coulda been ♪</i>

2055
02:02:25,671 --> 02:02:27,965
<i>♪ The champion of the world ♪</i>

2056
02:02:36,599 --> 02:02:38,893
<i>♪ Three bodies lyin' there
Does Patty see ♪</i>

2057
02:02:39,894 --> 02:02:43,064
<i>♪ And another man named Bello
Movin' mysteriously ♪</i>

2058
02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:45,941
<i>♪ "I didn't do it," he says
And he throws up his hands ♪</i>

2059
02:02:46,025 --> 02:02:49,362
<i>♪ "I was only robbin' the register
You understand ♪</i>

2060
02:02:49,737 --> 02:02:52,323
<i>♪ I saw them leave, though" he says
And he stops ♪</i>

2061
02:02:52,990 --> 02:02:55,618
<i>♪ "One of us had better
Call on the cops" ♪</i>

2062
02:02:56,243 --> 02:02:58,412
<i>♪ And so Patty calls the cops ♪</i>

2063
02:02:59,538 --> 02:03:03,167
<i>♪ And they arrive on the scene
With their red lights flashin' ♪</i>

2064
02:03:03,250 --> 02:03:05,169
<i>♪ In the hot New Jersey night ♪</i>

2065
02:03:14,011 --> 02:03:16,514
<i>♪ Meanwhile, far away
In another part of town ♪</i>

2066
02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:19,892
<i>♪ Rubin Carter and a couple of friends
Are drivin' around ♪</i>

2067
02:03:20,142 --> 02:03:23,062
<i>♪ Number one contender
For the middleweight crown ♪</i>

2068
02:03:23,354 --> 02:03:26,524
<i>♪ Had no idea what kinda shit
Was about to go down ♪</i>

2069
02:03:27,066 --> 02:03:29,568
<i>♪ When a cop pulled him over
To the side of the road ♪</i>

2070
02:03:30,194 --> 02:03:33,114
<i>♪ Just like the time before
And the time before that ♪</i>

2071
02:03:33,197 --> 02:03:35,574
<i>♪ In Paterson, that's the way things go ♪</i>

2072
02:03:35,908 --> 02:03:40,079
<i>♪ If you're black, you might as well
Not show up on the streets ♪</i>

2073
02:03:40,287 --> 02:03:42,832
<i>♪ 'Less you want to draw the heat ♪</i>

2074
02:03:51,048 --> 02:03:53,634
<i>♪ Alfred Bello, he laid this rap
On the cops ♪</i>

2075
02:03:53,717 --> 02:03:56,804
<i>♪ "Me and Arthur Dexter Bradley
Were in here prowlin' around ♪</i>

2076
02:03:57,138 --> 02:04:00,141
<i>♪ We saw two men runnin' out of here
They looked like middleweights ♪</i>

2077
02:04:00,433 --> 02:04:03,686
<i>♪ Jumped into a white car
With out-of-state plates" ♪</i>

2078
02:04:04,061 --> 02:04:06,730
<i>♪ And Miss Patty Valentine
Just nodded her head ♪</i>

2079
02:04:06,856 --> 02:04:09,608
<i>♪ Cop said, "Wait a minute, boys
This one's not dead" ♪</i>

2080
02:04:09,692 --> 02:04:12,361
<i>♪ So they took him to the infirmary ♪</i>

2081
02:04:13,612 --> 02:04:15,573
<i>♪ And though this man could hardly see ♪</i>

2082
02:04:15,656 --> 02:04:19,452
<i>♪ They told him that he could identify
The guilty men ♪</i>

2083
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:30,296
<i>♪ Four in the mornin'
And they haul Rubin in ♪</i>

2084
02:04:30,963 --> 02:04:34,049
<i>♪ Took him to the hospital
And they brought him upstairs ♪</i>

2085
02:04:34,133 --> 02:04:36,886
<i>♪ The wounded man looks up
Through his one dyin' eye ♪</i>

2086
02:04:37,136 --> 02:04:40,514
<i>♪ Says, "Why'd you bring him in here for?
He ain't the guy!" ♪</i>

2087
02:04:40,764 --> 02:04:43,184
<i>♪ Yes, here's the story of the Hurricane ♪</i>

2088
02:04:44,018 --> 02:04:46,395
<i>♪ The man the authorities came to blame ♪</i>

2089
02:04:47,229 --> 02:04:49,315
<i>♪ For somethin' that he never done ♪</i>

2090
02:04:50,399 --> 02:04:53,652
<i>♪ Put in a prison cell
But one time he coulda been ♪</i>

2091
02:04:54,069 --> 02:04:56,238
<i>♪ The champion of the world ♪</i>

2092
02:05:04,663 --> 02:05:07,291
<i>♪ Four months later
The ghettos are in flame ♪</i>

2093
02:05:07,625 --> 02:05:10,503
<i>♪ Rubin's in South America
Fightin' for his name ♪</i>

2094
02:05:11,086 --> 02:05:13,756
<i>♪ Arthur Dexter Bradley's
Still in the robbery game ♪</i>

2095
02:05:13,839 --> 02:05:15,639
<i>♪ And the cops are
Puttin' the screws to him</i> ♪

2096
02:05:15,674 --> 02:05:17,384
<i>♪ Lookin' for someone to blame ♪</i>

2097
02:05:17,593 --> 02:05:20,054
<i>♪ "Remember that murder
That happened in a bar? ♪</i>

2098
02:05:20,763 --> 02:05:23,265
<i>♪ Remember you said you saw
The getaway car? ♪</i>

2099
02:05:23,682 --> 02:05:26,227
<i>♪ You think you'd like to play ball
With the law? ♪</i>

2100
02:05:26,936 --> 02:05:30,356
<i>♪ Think it mighta been that fighter
That you saw runnin' that night? ♪</i>

2101
02:05:30,439 --> 02:05:33,817
<i>♪ Don't forget now, you're white" ♪</i>

2102
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:43,911
<i>♪ Arthur Dexter Bradley said
"I'm really not sure" ♪</i>

2103
02:05:44,328 --> 02:05:46,914
<i>♪ Cops said
"A poor boy like you could use a break ♪</i>

2104
02:05:47,331 --> 02:05:50,626
<i>♪ We got you for the motel job
We're talkin' to your friend Bello ♪</i>

2105
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:54,171
<i>♪ You don't wanna have to go back to jail
Be a nice fellow ♪</i>

2106
02:05:54,296 --> 02:05:56,882
<i>♪ You'll be doin' society a favor ♪</i>

2107
02:05:57,341 --> 02:06:00,177
<i>♪ That son of a bitch is brave
And gettin' braver</i> ♪

2108
02:06:00,553 --> 02:06:02,680
<i>♪ We want to put his ass in stir ♪</i>

2109
02:06:03,764 --> 02:06:07,101
<i>♪ We want to pin this triple murder
On him ♪</i>

2110
02:06:07,393 --> 02:06:09,853
<i>♪ He ain't no Gentleman Jim" ♪</i>

2111
02:06:17,861 --> 02:06:20,614
<i>♪ All of Rubin's cards were marked
In advance ♪</i>

2112
02:06:20,906 --> 02:06:23,826
<i>♪ The trial was a pig-circus
He never had a chance ♪</i>

2113
02:06:24,076 --> 02:06:27,121
<i>♪ The judge made Rubin's witnesses
Drunkards from the slums ♪</i>

2114
02:06:27,204 --> 02:06:30,416
<i>♪ To the white folks who watched
He was a revolutionary bum ♪</i>

2115
02:06:30,749 --> 02:06:33,377
<i>♪ And to the black folks
He was just a crazy nigger ♪</i>

2116
02:06:34,128 --> 02:06:36,547
<i>♪ No one doubted
That he pulled the trigger ♪</i>

2117
02:06:37,172 --> 02:06:39,550
<i>♪ And though they could not produce
The gun ♪</i>

2118
02:06:40,342 --> 02:06:43,512
<i>♪ The DA said he was the one
Who did the deed ♪</i>

2119
02:06:43,762 --> 02:06:46,599
<i>♪ And the all-white jury agreed ♪</i>

2120
02:06:54,773 --> 02:06:56,984
<i>♪ Rubin Carter was falsely tried ♪</i>

2121
02:06:57,401 --> 02:07:00,279
<i>♪ The crime was murder one
Guess who testified? ♪</i>

2122
02:07:00,946 --> 02:07:03,282
<i>♪ Bello and Bradley, and they both lied ♪</i>

2123
02:07:03,741 --> 02:07:06,910
<i>♪ And the newspapers
They all went along for the ride ♪</i>

2124
02:07:07,286 --> 02:07:09,455
<i>♪ How can the life of such a man ♪</i>

2125
02:07:10,539 --> 02:07:13,000
<i>♪ Be in the palm of some fool's hand? ♪</i>

2126
02:07:13,459 --> 02:07:15,753
<i>♪ To see him obviously framed ♪</i>

2127
02:07:16,837 --> 02:07:20,174
<i>♪ Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed
To live in a land ♪</i>

2128
02:07:20,507 --> 02:07:23,135
<i>♪ Where justice is a game ♪</i>

2129
02:07:30,726 --> 02:07:33,687
<i>♪ Now all the criminals
In their coats and their ties... ♪</i>

2130
02:07:34,521 --> 02:07:37,858
"Now all the criminals
in their coats and ties

2131
02:07:37,941 --> 02:07:41,737
are free to drink martinis and watch the...
and watch the sun rise."

2132
02:07:42,154 --> 02:07:45,282
"While Rubin sits like Buddha
in a ten-foot cell,

2133
02:07:45,491 --> 02:07:47,534
an innocent man in a living hell."

2134
02:07:47,743 --> 02:07:49,745
I thought that was great.

2135
02:07:50,204 --> 02:07:53,374
Because the ballad of the Hurricane...

2136
02:07:54,208 --> 02:07:59,463
uh, sent an indelible message
of justice gone awry,

2137
02:08:00,089 --> 02:08:01,173
you know what I mean?

2138
02:08:01,298 --> 02:08:02,298
So... So...

2139
02:08:02,508 --> 02:08:07,388
Dylan doing that
spread the word far and wide.

2140
02:08:10,265 --> 02:08:12,476
<i>♪ That's the story of the Hurricane ♪</i>

2141
02:08:13,394 --> 02:08:15,938
<i>♪ But it won't be over
Till they clear his name ♪</i>

2142
02:08:16,605 --> 02:08:18,774
<i>♪ And give him back the time he's done ♪</i>

2143
02:08:19,692 --> 02:08:23,237
<i>♪ Put in a prison cell
But one time he coulda been ♪</i>

2144
02:08:23,529 --> 02:08:26,532
<i>♪ The champion of the world ♪</i>

2145
02:08:35,749 --> 02:08:37,376
Let me introduce you to everybody.

2146
02:08:38,752 --> 02:08:41,352
Many of the people who came
to help me were white people,

2147
02:08:41,797 --> 02:08:44,216
which must have surprised the authorities,

2148
02:08:44,299 --> 02:08:47,428
because the authorities claimed
that I committed this crime

2149
02:08:47,511 --> 02:08:49,346
because of my hatred for white people.

2150
02:08:49,513 --> 02:08:51,473
But here's all these white folks

2151
02:08:52,099 --> 02:08:54,435
coming to help this poor black man

2152
02:08:54,643 --> 02:08:56,895
who's in prison for something
that he didn't do,

2153
02:08:56,979 --> 02:08:59,606
something that he didn't do.
I mean, it... it was great.

2154
02:08:59,982 --> 02:09:02,862
What happens if the courts
say no, where do you go from there?

2155
02:09:02,943 --> 02:09:05,320
Are you gonna go back into the courts
once again?

2156
02:09:05,404 --> 02:09:07,990
If the courts say no,
we just keep on fighting.

2157
02:09:08,240 --> 02:09:10,868
There's no such...
There's no such thing as no.

2158
02:09:11,326 --> 02:09:12,578
There's just yes,

2159
02:09:12,661 --> 02:09:15,289
and the road is straight ahead,
and we keep on going.

2160
02:09:16,415 --> 02:09:18,083
Bob always been searching.

2161
02:09:18,167 --> 02:09:22,171
Every time I see Bob now, and which
we don't see each other frequently,

2162
02:09:22,504 --> 02:09:26,759
but every time I see him, I ask Bob,
"Have you found it yet, Bob?"

2163
02:09:27,968 --> 02:09:29,636
And Bob says, "Yeah, I found it."

2164
02:09:30,095 --> 02:09:33,849
But I know he hasn't,
'cause he keeps searching.

2165
02:09:35,142 --> 02:09:38,187
He'd always say,
"Hey, what are you searching for today?"

2166
02:09:38,270 --> 02:09:39,354
I'd say, "What?"

2167
02:09:39,438 --> 02:09:42,191
He'd say, "I know you're a searcher.
What are you searching for?"

2168
02:09:42,566 --> 02:09:46,528
I'd say, uh, "Well, Hurricane,
I'm searching for the Holy Grail."

2169
02:09:46,904 --> 02:09:47,905
And he'd say, "What?"

2170
02:09:48,155 --> 02:09:52,326
I said, "I'm gonna search until I find it,
like Sir Galahad."

2171
02:09:54,453 --> 02:09:55,788
That's what I'm looking for.

2172
02:09:58,749 --> 02:10:02,628
- Five minutes. Five minutes.
- Do you think he's a genius?

2173
02:10:03,462 --> 02:10:05,005
Is Bob Dylan a genius?

2174
02:10:06,423 --> 02:10:08,884
I don't know.
That's a strange word.

2175
02:10:10,052 --> 02:10:11,052
Maybe.

2176
02:10:11,220 --> 02:10:15,140
I think the most brilliant thing he did
was putting a group of highly motivated

2177
02:10:15,349 --> 02:10:18,393
and ambitious people
on a train with no supervision,

2178
02:10:18,602 --> 02:10:21,939
and then let them become
the most extreme versions of themselves.

2179
02:10:22,439 --> 02:10:24,599
Is that how you'd describe
what happened?

2180
02:10:24,650 --> 02:10:26,401
I know that's what happened to me.

2181
02:10:26,527 --> 02:10:28,904
Let's go. Let's go.

2182
02:10:30,364 --> 02:10:31,364
Let's go.

2183
02:10:31,865 --> 02:10:34,010
So, why did you come here
to speak to me?

2184
02:10:34,034 --> 02:10:38,497
Well, to try and, you know, stake my claim

2185
02:10:38,580 --> 02:10:42,334
and say, "Here I am, this is me.
I'm the one who made this.

2186
02:10:42,417 --> 02:10:43,544
You're using it.

2187
02:10:43,961 --> 02:10:47,631
This wouldn't exist without me.
I'm the filmmaker here."

2188
02:10:49,132 --> 02:10:52,135
December 4th, 1975, Montreal, Canada,

2189
02:10:52,219 --> 02:10:54,847
last scheduled concert
for the Rolling Thunder Revue.

2190
02:10:55,806 --> 02:11:00,644
We phantoms are assembled
at the end of the Rolling Thunder tour.

2191
02:11:00,769 --> 02:11:02,479
Roger? Let's go. Luther?

2192
02:11:02,563 --> 02:11:05,399
We started out
trying to recover America.

2193
02:11:05,482 --> 02:11:08,318
We discovered a certain amount of truth
about ourselves.

2194
02:11:08,777 --> 02:11:11,363
Old friends who thought
their loves had been lost

2195
02:11:11,613 --> 02:11:15,325
were able to get together
and, uh, face each other eye to eye

2196
02:11:15,617 --> 02:11:17,995
and sing over an electrical microphone

2197
02:11:18,078 --> 02:11:22,332
to please the desires
of myriad young yearners,

2198
02:11:22,416 --> 02:11:25,544
who had been seeking some kind
of union and community

2199
02:11:25,627 --> 02:11:27,629
and saw therein an image
of that community.

2200
02:11:28,755 --> 02:11:30,340
Was the tour a success?

2201
02:11:30,757 --> 02:11:33,427
The tour was a disaster,
it was a catastrophe.

2202
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:34,761
- Why?
- Well,

2203
02:11:34,845 --> 02:11:37,764
I told 'em we should be playing
to 20,000-seaters,

2204
02:11:37,848 --> 02:11:40,559
but instead, you know, they wanted
to play all these small joints.

2205
02:11:40,642 --> 02:11:43,645
Now you've got 16 to 18 people onstage,

2206
02:11:43,729 --> 02:11:46,356
and you got 15 people on the back line.

2207
02:11:47,024 --> 02:11:50,485
Buses and hotel rooms and catering,
and you're only playing to houses

2208
02:11:50,569 --> 02:11:53,363
with 3,000 seats,
so you're gonna hemorrhage money.

2209
02:11:53,447 --> 02:11:55,532
We were in the red
before we even got on the road.

2210
02:11:55,616 --> 02:11:57,868
No, it wasn't a success.

2211
02:11:58,619 --> 02:12:00,954
Not if you measure success
in terms of profit.

2212
02:12:02,247 --> 02:12:03,916
But it was a sense of adventure.

2213
02:12:05,208 --> 02:12:09,379
So, in many ways, yes,
it was very successful.

2214
02:12:10,797 --> 02:12:11,840
Let's go.

2215
02:12:12,758 --> 02:12:14,009
Time to go.

2216
02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:17,721
- Come on. We're on.
- Yeah, Rob, you look pretty.

2217
02:12:22,392 --> 02:12:24,561
What remains of that tour to this day?

2218
02:12:24,645 --> 02:12:25,645
Nothing.

2219
02:12:26,855 --> 02:12:28,106
Not one single thing.

2220
02:12:28,690 --> 02:12:29,690
Ashes.

2221
02:12:33,236 --> 02:12:37,240
<i>♪ Mama, wipe the blood off of my face ♪</i>

2222
02:12:40,911 --> 02:12:44,164
<i>♪ I can't see through it anymore ♪</i>

2223
02:12:47,584 --> 02:12:51,922
<i>♪ I need someone to talk to
And a new hiding place ♪</i>

2224
02:12:55,676 --> 02:12:59,221
<i>♪ I feel like I'm knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2225
02:13:02,975 --> 02:13:06,561
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2226
02:13:10,315 --> 02:13:13,944
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2227
02:13:17,656 --> 02:13:21,952
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2228
02:13:24,955 --> 02:13:29,209
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2229
02:13:32,421 --> 02:13:35,674
<i>♪ Mama, I can hear that thunder roll ♪</i>

2230
02:13:39,803 --> 02:13:43,473
<i>♪ Echoing down from God's distant shore ♪</i>

2231
02:13:46,852 --> 02:13:50,856
<i>♪ I can hear Him calling out for my soul ♪</i>

2232
02:13:54,317 --> 02:13:57,863
<i>♪ l feel I'm knocking on heaven's door ♪</i>

2233
02:14:01,867 --> 02:14:05,620
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2234
02:14:09,249 --> 02:14:13,503
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2235
02:14:16,673 --> 02:14:21,053
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2236
02:14:23,930 --> 02:14:28,643
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2237
02:14:51,374 --> 02:14:55,212
You who saw it all,
or saw flashes and fragments,

2238
02:14:55,629 --> 02:14:58,173
take from us some example,

2239
02:14:58,256 --> 02:15:00,467
try and get yourselves together,

2240
02:15:00,550 --> 02:15:03,345
clean up your act, find your community,

2241
02:15:03,637 --> 02:15:07,182
pick up on some kind of redemption
of your own consciousness,

2242
02:15:07,432 --> 02:15:10,018
become more mindful of your own friends,

2243
02:15:10,102 --> 02:15:11,186
your own work,

2244
02:15:11,269 --> 02:15:13,063
your own proper meditation,

2245
02:15:13,146 --> 02:15:14,397
your own proper art,

2246
02:15:14,481 --> 02:15:15,482
your own beauty.

2247
02:15:15,607 --> 02:15:18,819
Go out and make it for your own eternity.

2248
02:15:23,115 --> 02:15:27,786
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2249
02:15:30,580 --> 02:15:35,001
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2250
02:15:37,754 --> 02:15:42,717
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2251
02:15:45,178 --> 02:15:50,142
<i>♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
On heaven's door ♪</i>

2252
02:15:54,521 --> 02:15:59,317
<i>♪ The water is wide ♪</i>

2253
02:15:59,568 --> 02:16:02,529
<i>♪ And I can't cross over ♪</i>

2254
02:16:05,949 --> 02:16:09,911
<i>♪ I've neither wings ♪</i>

2255
02:16:11,246 --> 02:16:16,001
<i>♪ That I could fly ♪</i>

2256
02:16:16,376 --> 02:16:21,131
<i>♪ Build me a boat ♪</i>

2257
02:16:21,882 --> 02:16:26,136
<i>♪ That can carry two ♪</i>

2258
02:16:27,387 --> 02:16:30,891
<i>♪ And both shall row ♪</i>

2259
02:16:33,059 --> 02:16:37,731
<i>♪ My love and I ♪</i>

2260
02:16:46,364 --> 02:16:50,785
<i>♪ There is a ship ♪</i>

2261
02:16:51,536 --> 02:16:54,372
<i>♪ And it sails on the sea ♪</i>

2262
02:16:57,709 --> 02:17:01,713
<i>♪ Loaded deep ♪</i>

2263
02:17:02,464 --> 02:17:07,052
<i>♪ As deep can be ♪</i>

2264
02:17:07,802 --> 02:17:12,515
<i>♪ But not as deep ♪</i>

2265
02:17:13,058 --> 02:17:17,854
<i>♪ As the love I'm in ♪</i>

2266
02:17:18,563 --> 02:17:21,816
<i>♪ And both shall row ♪</i>

2267
02:17:23,777 --> 02:17:29,741
<i>♪ My love and I ♪</i>

2268
02:17:55,517 --> 02:17:57,519
Bob!

2269
02:18:00,146 --> 02:18:01,898
Encore!

2270
02:18:08,113 --> 02:18:10,407
<i>♪ Hot chili peppers
In the blistering sun ♪</i>

2271
02:18:13,326 --> 02:18:16,121
<i>♪ Dust on my face and my cape ♪</i>

2272
02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:21,710
<i>♪ Me and Magdalena on the run ♪</i>

2273
02:18:24,212 --> 02:18:27,924
<i>♪ I think this time we shall escape ♪</i>

2274
02:18:29,384 --> 02:18:32,429
<i>♪ Sold my guitar to the baker's son ♪</i>

2275
02:18:34,889 --> 02:18:38,685
<i>♪ For a few crumbs and a place to hide ♪</i>

2276
02:18:40,312 --> 02:18:43,189
<i>♪ But I can get another one ♪</i>

2277
02:18:45,191 --> 02:18:49,279
<i>♪ And I'll play for Magdalena as we ride ♪</i>

2278
02:18:50,322 --> 02:18:53,033
♪ No llores, mi querida ♪

2279
02:18:53,825 --> 02:18:55,535
♪ Dios nos vigila ♪

2280
02:18:56,036 --> 02:18:59,873
<i>♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪</i>

2281
02:19:00,498 --> 02:19:03,251
♪ Agárrame, mi vida ♪

2282
02:19:03,460 --> 02:19:05,545
<i>♪ Soon the desert will be gone ♪</i>

2283
02:19:06,171 --> 02:19:09,924
<i>♪ Soon you will be dancing the fandango ♪</i>

2284
02:19:21,144 --> 02:19:24,189
<i>♪ Past the Aztec ruins
And the ghosts of our people ♪</i>

2285
02:19:26,066 --> 02:19:29,444
<i>♪ Hoofbeats like castanets on stone ♪</i>

2286
02:19:30,612 --> 02:19:33,823
<i>♪ At night, I dream of bells
In the village steeple ♪</i>

2287
02:19:35,367 --> 02:19:39,287
<i>♪ Then I see the bloody face of Ramon ♪</i>

2288
02:19:40,372 --> 02:19:43,666
<i>♪ Was it me that shot him down
In the cantina? ♪</i>

2289
02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:49,130
<i>♪ Was it my hand that held the gun? ♪</i>

2290
02:19:50,799 --> 02:19:53,635
<i>♪ Come let us fly, my Magdalena ♪</i>

2291
02:19:55,428 --> 02:19:58,640
<i>♪ The dogs are barking
And what's done is done ♪</i>

2292
02:19:59,849 --> 02:20:02,727
♪ No llores, mi querida ♪

2293
02:20:03,269 --> 02:20:05,021
♪ Dios nos vigila ♪

2294
02:20:05,647 --> 02:20:09,025
<i>♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪</i>

2295
02:20:09,818 --> 02:20:12,362
♪ Agárrame, mi vida ♪

2296
02:20:12,445 --> 02:20:14,656
<i>♪ Soon the desert will be gone ♪</i>

2297
02:20:15,240 --> 02:20:18,743
<i>♪ Soon you will be dancing the fandango ♪</i>

2298
02:20:29,212 --> 02:20:32,465
<i>♪ At the corrida, we'll sit in the shade ♪</i>

2299
02:20:34,008 --> 02:20:37,345
<i>♪ And watch the young torero stand alone ♪</i>

2300
02:20:39,013 --> 02:20:42,308
<i>♪ Drank tequila
Where our grandfathers stayed ♪</i>

2301
02:20:43,393 --> 02:20:46,896
<i>♪ When they rode with Villa into Torreón ♪</i>

2302
02:20:48,356 --> 02:20:51,901
<i>♪ And the padre will recite
The prayers of old ♪</i>

2303
02:20:53,194 --> 02:20:56,948
<i>♪ In the little church this side of town ♪</i>

2304
02:20:57,991 --> 02:21:01,453
<i>♪ I'll wear new boots
And an earring of gold ♪</i>

2305
02:21:02,662 --> 02:21:06,458
<i>♪ You'll shine with diamonds
In your wedding gown ♪</i>

2306
02:21:08,126 --> 02:21:10,962
<i>♪ Was that the thunder that I heard? ♪</i>

2307
02:21:12,797 --> 02:21:15,842
<i>♪ My head is vibrating
I feel a sharp pain ♪</i>

2308
02:21:17,385 --> 02:21:20,138
<i>♪ Come sit by me, don't say a word ♪</i>

2309
02:21:22,182 --> 02:21:25,393
<i>♪ Oh, can it be that I am slain? ♪</i>

2310
02:21:26,895 --> 02:21:29,397
<i>♪ Quick, Magdalena, take my gun ♪</i>

2311
02:21:31,608 --> 02:21:34,819
<i>♪ Look up in the hills
That flash of light ♪</i>

2312
02:21:36,529 --> 02:21:39,157
<i>♪ Aim well, my little one ♪</i>

2313
02:21:41,117 --> 02:21:44,621
<i>♪ We may not make it through the night ♪</i>