mr, then try phospor based or sulfur based, or salt based
Dinsdale Piranha - Today at 4:49 PM
Yes! Lava crabs and fish!
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Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:49 PM
salt? NaCl?
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:49 PM
no, otehr salts
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:49 PM
ah okay
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:49 PM
like chlorids
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:49 PM
yea
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:49 PM
and such
and, no, dragons could exist xD(edited)
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:50 PM
well this wont hold up anyways, carbon has a melting point of 3,5Kc
... k = thousand not kalvin. kelvin?
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:50 PM
Kelvin
and 3.5kC is 3500° Celsius
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:50 PM
yea, capped the wrong letters lol
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:51 PM
it would be eitehr 3500°K or 3.5°kK(edited)
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:51 PM
so a pure carbon based shell could wistand the heat
now it's about preventing heat transferance, you know, to not cook them alive
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:51 PM
still, what if there is oxygen?
DOOOOOM
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:51 PM
Depends on the natural binding of carbon in the lifeform
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:52 PM
eh....
still...
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:52 PM
let me check what it's free electrons are
Omnires - Today at 4:52 PM
Did the Discover Channel do some mockumentaries some years back showing would life would be like if things like dragons and maremaids really existed? I rememeber even showing how they could have evoled too.
Watson Dynamite - Today at 4:52 PM
the only option would be if the lifeform could create a vacuum between the shell and their guts.(edited)
No particles, no heat transfer
Omnires - Today at 4:52 PM
I'll see if I can find a clip about it
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:52 PM
carbon - carbon bonding is pretty strong, so it looks like that is feesable.
the air inside the shell wouldn't have to be removed, as long as it doesn't get heated, but the shell would have to make an airtight seal
and the shell itself would have to be vacum proof
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:53 PM
welp, if its in a connection that doesnt allow oen of the elements to react with oxygen at 3.5°kC then its good.. but thats going to be hard
Watson Dynamite - Today at 4:53 PM
ideally probably in many layers separated by vacuum space
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:54 PM
arca, its not about vacuum proof
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:54 PM
agreed, that would be best for preventivie heat transfer
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:54 PM
shell -> air -> organs
Omnires - Today at 4:54 PM
Found it. it was called Dragons : A Fantasy Made Real
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:54 PM
does gold reacto with osygen at 3500°C?
*react with oxygen(edited)
!?OrangeJuice¿¡ - Today at 4:55 PM
anaerobic  life
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:55 PM
?
you mean bacteria and such?
wont do
Watson Dynamite - Today at 4:55 PM
I would more say
shell -> vacuum -> shell -> vacuum -> ... -> organs
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:56 PM
vacuum cant be heated
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:56 PM
^ would prevent the 02 from heating
the o2 still inside the "ball" of a creature i mean
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:56 PM
shell -I- vacuum -I- shell -> organs
shells -> air -> shell -> organs
Omnires - Today at 4:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQCrrPohyts
EmberBOT - Today at 4:57 PM
Silicon-Based Life: Could Living Rocks Exist? - YouTube
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Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:57 PM
ah i see what you are talking about now
i was thinking in a different ascept, was thinking armadillo ball, not plating on the entire body
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:57 PM
even air transfers heat, even when not very efficient, but at 1000°C its still able to fry soemthing after a few seconds
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:58 PM
totally, need a vacuum
Schmuky - Today at 4:58 PM
Still this?!:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
Omg
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:58 PM
at that point it could live in lava, but now we have to deal with sensor organs
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:58 PM
yep, we get into matter
Sik San - Today at 4:58 PM
lavafish4life
Schmuky - Today at 4:58 PM
We sure as stubborn
!?OrangeJuice¿¡ - Today at 4:58 PM
assuming the re-entry heats it at a fast enough cfm to warm the "center" of the rock before reaching inner-spheres of atmosphere(edited)
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:59 PM
being able to see is off the table, eyeballs would boil in an instant
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:59 PM
even solicon based lifeforms would die...
Omnires - Today at 4:59 PM
yes
7ux0n0 - Today at 4:59 PM
as long as they are hydorgen based too..
hm...
Mr Arca9 - Today at 4:59 PM
i was thinking like a sharks sensory, electromagnetic sense
Watson Dynamite - Today at 4:59 PM
you can't even pass light, since light is energy and energy heats
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:00 PM
maybe organs that can feel electro magnetic radation otehr than normal light?
infrared?
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:00 PM
depends on what can go through carbon
lemme see
Watson Dynamite - Today at 5:00 PM
lava exudes a lot of infrared
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:00 PM
no, the outter carbon layer will send off infrred isnce its heating
Schmuky - Today at 5:00 PM
You know, when civilization pictures "gamers",  i dont think they picture a bunch of them staying on a chat room discussing... The existence of a certain creature that could survive vacuum,  re-entry and life within magma
What i try to say is
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:00 PM
electro magnetic could work as a base sense
Schmuky - Today at 5:00 PM
Pleased to be a part of it
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:00 PM
*will send off infrared sicne its heating
Schmuky - Today at 5:00 PM
:muscle:
Omnires - Today at 5:01 PM
Silicon-based life would use oxygen to make quartz in its body. You canuse that quartz to do things like make a shield
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:01 PM
it would be effective out side the lava for dealing with organic life that useses electricity to muscle movement
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:01 PM
its jsut which electro magnetic radiation? normal light is outta question
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:01 PM
yea just with that
there is probably more, just haven;t though about it yet
!?OrangeJuice¿¡ - Today at 5:02 PM
then again, kittinger survived above mach speeds in nothing but a parachute and high-altitude clothing
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:02 PM
we use electricity for muscle movements too...
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:02 PM
true, but the organ can probably filter that out
else sharks would be all kinds of fucked up
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:02 PM
?
!?OrangeJuice¿¡ - Today at 5:02 PM
creature probably isn't heavy enough to get the same terminal burnup speeds
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:02 PM
what ya talking bout?
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:02 PM
sharks have that sensory
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:03 PM
yes, electricy isnt radiation..
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:03 PM
called a lateral line, they sense the eletrical impluses of fish
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:03 PM
and i sjut said we use electricy for muscle movements
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:03 PM
which means they would also be able to sense their own too
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:03 PM
since all our signals in the nerve system are electric signals
they probably doo
Omnires - Today at 5:03 PM
You mean the things that sharks and rays use to see the electricy in the musles of other animals so they can find them even if they can't see them.
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:04 PM
yup, that
little1 - Today at 5:04 PM
beware these are maken a IRL Pacific Rim bot :stuck_out_tongue:
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:04 PM
they cant see, but feel
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:04 PM
feeeeeeeel
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:04 PM
you cant see electricity except it produces radiation
except electro magnetic radiation...
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:04 PM
also, depends on the wavelength of energy too, the less dense the shell the more that can pass through it, but the weaker the animal becomes
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:05 PM
you knjwo which radiation i mean..
!?OrangeJuice¿¡ - Today at 5:05 PM
if it's an invasion, they wouldn't just throw the rock, they'd aim it at the facing reentry pathway at optimal speed :sunglasses:(edited)
Omnires - Today at 5:05 PM
they use to find fish and stuff because even if they stop moving they still can't stop their own harts. So sharks and rays can still sense you as long as your heart is beting
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:05 PM
and aslong you feel, hear and see
TORGUE F*CKING JOE - Today at 5:05 PM
ARE YOU ALL DRUNK OR WHY HAVE EVERYBODY GONE SCIENTIFIC
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:05 PM
we arent
!?OrangeJuice¿¡ - Today at 5:05 PM
drunk
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:06 PM
then there is also how the creature would consume food
!?OrangeJuice¿¡ - Today at 5:06 PM
:eggplant:
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:06 PM
and science is the only thing that makes your explsoions possible
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:06 PM
^
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:06 PM
probably turtle-like
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:06 PM
unless there is a way for it to create energy from the lava
!?OrangeJuice¿¡ - Today at 5:06 PM
vancian magic don't follow no rules :sunglasses:
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:06 PM
they cant
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:06 PM
i mean, food is just a primitive form of energy
Watson Dynamite - Today at 5:06 PM
I would say it could consume thermal energy
or do some sort of photosynthesis shenanigans with the lava
but I dunno
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:07 PM
but they probably got moveable shields thats press agaisnt eachotehrs hard enough to not let gasses through
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:07 PM
if the photons could pass through the shell it is possible
vedrit - Today at 5:07 PM
thermosynthesis
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:07 PM
again i think that deals with how dense the shell material is


7ux0n0 - Today at 5:21 PM
@Mr Arca9 overhere!
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:21 PM
sounds good
there is a paper that says nano tubing doesn't generate heat from electrical current but that doesn't help with figuring out convectional heal transferance(edited)
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:22 PM
maybe lets dispose of the vacuum idea... vacuum woudl require the shell to be hard enough to support the vacuum
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:22 PM
depnds on the nano tubes too though
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:22 PM
no, i guess nanotubes wont help
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:23 PM
if you can populate it with mostly tubes, then the minor vacuum might be able to excist
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:23 PM
we need enough space between so the radiation doesnt get too strong
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:23 PM
distance between the two plates right?
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:23 PM
yes
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:24 PM
what if the tubes are long enough
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:24 PM
lets take a gas with low energy transfer
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:24 PM
that works
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:24 PM
you know the tubes work on micrometers? i talk about milimeters...
they work beyond micro meters
sry
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:24 PM
the tubes can be long, well any length i think
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:25 PM
still, its about usign them as beams
and they are veeeeery thin
so using single tubes wont work
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:25 PM
nope, need a lot
but i was thinking the thin-ness would keep heat transferance down
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:26 PM
we need jsut a metrial that is able to support the shells while nto letting enoug energy pass through over the 5 min
and they conenctiosn can be only a under milimeters for that too
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:27 PM
the gas idea would still need that support to prevent the shell from popping off, i am not sure the ablities of the nano tubes from expansion vs compression
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:27 PM
well, the pressure of the heavy lava vs the pressure of the gas
and maybe let the hull be "inflatable"
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:28 PM
but what about surface pressure, the creature would have to walk on land too.
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:28 PM
pumping the gas in and out on need
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:28 PM
actually, heating the gas could expand it back against the lava, and on land the gas would cool and contract(edited)
minor heat transferance could actually work in our favor here
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:29 PM
yes, while it is itself already highpressure so more energy needs to be absorbed
so it could maybe be 1-2m under lava for the 5m
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:29 PM
so what's holding the outer shell back then?
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:29 PM
*5 min
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:29 PM
on land when the gas is still hot and expanded, something needs to keep the shell from just, falling off
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:29 PM
whats the weight of normal lvava per liter?
liek i said, pumping in and out on demand
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:30 PM
hmm, depends on the compisition i think
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:30 PM
so it could release or cool it
hm.. depends on the core too..
i think we need to ask grummz about the planet core composition
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:31 PM
maybe i can diagram this. right now i think you are thinking something like     |     |   but we need  |--| to keep the shell attached to the lower layer
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:31 PM
iron, tungston, aluminum, copper, tin, whatever
yes
little beams
zdoofop - Today at 5:31 PM
if the volcanoes are icy, it's reasonable to assume that the core is cold as well
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:31 PM
think the nano tubes could do that?
depends if the planet has a magnetic field or not
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:32 PM
so we got
__
          ||                  ||
-----------------------
darn, doesnt take _
wait a sec
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:33 PM
yea, top layer, support, bottom layer
i see what you mean
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:33 PM
------------------
||             ||         ||
------------------
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:33 PM
i could see the creature filling it with gas to equalize the pressure
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:34 PM
and from above:
x                          x
                    x
yes
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:34 PM
if they do it well enough the beams will take minimal impact. as the create can offest the pressure on them
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:34 PM
the beams should be strong enough too though
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:35 PM
pressure shock, needs to be able to handle rapid pressure changes
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:35 PM
it shiould maybe be able to pump the hot gas out and pump cold gas back in
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:35 PM
such as lava to air
the viscosity of lava should allow us to do that
also, guess my internet is slow, so replies are popping in like 1 minute after i send them lol
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:35 PM
so its a bit liek a venting system
a bit here too
sometimes, soemtimes not
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:37 PM
but the outside venting system would have to be pressure based
7ux0n0 - Today at 5:37 PM
like just now...
Mr Arca9 - Today at 5:37 PM
exsesive pressure could pop open the ports