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- Concept: You have to deposit pika at some point before proceeding to Vermilion. Instead of finding an optimal way to kill Pikachu (besides pidgeotto strats), just deposit pika early in the Mt. Moon center without actually taking the center. From here you can get Mega Punch and delay centering until just before Misty. In effect this achieves Triple Center skip but with a different approach to disposing of Pikachu.
- Relevant Material:
- - tikevin mega punch route: https://pastebin.com/4rLJzqxf
- - tikevin triple center skip analysis: https://pastebin.com/3YwK4qPG
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- TIME ANALYSIS
- Note: This is in the context of the current route (take moon center and take center after bill) vs. Pidgeotto.
- PROS Average Best
- - Triple Center Skip -19.0 -19.0
- - Red Bar Potential -0.0 -32.2
- TOTAL -19.0 -51.2
- CONS Average Best
- - Mega Punch +15.2 +7.7
- - Deposit Pika (map transitions) +2.2 +2.2
- - 7 extra steps +2.0 +2.0
- TOTAL +19.2 +11.9
- NET +0.2s -47.2s
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- FORREST
- - Normal.
- BROCK
- - Normal.
- ROUTE 3
- - Bug Catcher
- - Enter center -> deposit pika -> DON'T CENTER -> walk out :)
- - Have 0-1 HAs left here.
- Moon - Bridge ranges: At bottom of page (ctrl+f 'the ranges')
- MOON
- - Get Mega Punch.
- - Evolve, Teach Mega Punch over Leer.
- - Nerd: Swap HA with MP at first use of MP.
- > MP + Tackle (or MP x2 if bad 1st MP)
- > MP (+ DK)
- > MP x2 (or MP crit + DK)
- - Team Rocket: MP + Tackle/DK, DK, MP x2.
- CERULEAN CITY
- - Need 8-9 MPs and 0-1 HAs for Bridge.
- NUGGET BRIDGE
- - Rival: MP + DK, MP x2, DK, DK.
- - Bug Catcher: MP x2.
- - Lass: MP, MP (+ DK).
- - Youngster: DK, MP, HA/MP.
- - Candy x2 here, teach Thrash over Tackle.
- **proceed as normal**
- 4 TURN THRASH GIRL (L27)
- - Choose depending on HP entering fight.
- - MP:
- > 0.892829 * (216/256) = 75.332446875
- > Oddish: Absorb, PoisonPowder, Stun Spore.
- - Thrash:
- > (255/256) * 0.5 * 0.5 = 75.09765625
- > Bellsprout: Growth, Wrap, PoisonPowder, Sleep Powder.
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- THE RANGES
- POKEMON NIDO LEVEL MOVE RANGES
- L12 Grimer L16 Mega Punch 28-34 (rolls: 28x1, 29x7, 30x8, 31x7, 32x8, 33x7, 34x1) also OHKO with Crit
- Tackle 13-16 (rolls: 13x7, 14x16, 15x15, 16x1)
- L12 Voltorb L16 Mega Punch (8/39) (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 33.5537%)
- L12 Koffing L17 Mega Punch (crit: 32/39) (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 9.2548%)
- L14 Ekans L17 Mega Punch OHKO w/crit
- MP +1 (7/39) (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 31.4103%)
- MP +2 (32/39) (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 84.9960%)
- L14 Koffing L18 Mega Punch 2HKO
- L18 Spearow L18 Mega Punch OHKO w/crit
- L15 Sandshrew L19 Mega Punch 2HKO
- L19 Eevee L19 Double Kick (Overall 2-hit Kill%: 58.5136%)
- L14 Pidgey L20 Horn Attack (25/39) (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 69.9920%)
- L14 NidoranF L20 Mega Punch (12/39) (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 42.1274%)
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- MEGA PUNCH TIMING (coming soon)
- PROS Average Best
- - Save Turn on Tower Flareon -5.0 -0.0
- TOTAL -10.7 -1.8
- CONS Average Best
- - Acquire + Teach MP +32.0 +32.0
- TOTAL +10.5 +10.6
- NET -0.2s +8.8s
- Average turns saved:
- Best Case turns saved (no crits)
- Best Case turns saved (all crits)
- TIKEVIN'S TIMING (+ modifications)
- - Cost to Get/Teach Mega Punch = 31s
- - ASSUME 0 HAs.
- POKE STRAT AVE TIME (s) BEST TIME (s)
- Grimer MP + MP/Tackle -1 -1
- Voltorb MP (+ DK) -1.23 -2.013
- Koffing MP + MP -2.45 -2.9148
- Ekans MP + DK +0.9 0
- Meowth DK 0 0
- Koffing MP x2 -2.98 -4.1184
- Spearow MP + DK +0.9 0
- Sandshrew MP x2 -3.03 -4.1898
- Rattata DK 0 0
- Eevee DK 0 0
- Caterpie MP -4.41 -5.0154
- Weedle MP +0.9 0
- Pidgey MP -0.9 0
- Nidoran F MP -1.31 -1.5432
- Rattata DK 0 0
- Ekans MP -2.08 -2.4438
- Zubat MP +0.9 0
- average:
- - GOOD: 1 + 1.23 + 2.45 + 2.98 + 3.03 + 4.41 + 0.9 + 1.31 + 2.08 = 19.39
- - BAD: 31 + 0.9 + 0.9 + 0.9 + 0.9 = 34.6
- - TOTAL: lose 15.21s
- best (assume no misses):
- - GOOD: 1 + 2.013 + 2.9148 + 4.1184 + 4.1898 + 5.0154 + 1.5432 + 2.4438 = 23.2384
- - BAD: 31 = 31
- - TOTAL: lose 7.7616s
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- GRIMER (WIP)
- ASSUME:
- - Lose 3 turns = dead lol
- - Ignore disable risk on grimer for now (6.875% to disable MP per grimmer turn)
- - Ignore sand risks?
- Mega Punch Hit: 0.85
- - Crit: 0.164 -> 0.1394 win
- - Not Crit: 0.836
- > Good Roll: (31/39)
- - Tackle Hit: 0.95 -> 0.5366 win
- - Tackle Miss: 0.05
- > Tackle Hit: 0.95 -> 0.0268 win
- > Tackle Miss: 0.05
- - Tackle Hit: 0.95 -> 0.0013 win
- - Tackle Miss: 0.05 -> lose
- > Bad Roll: (8/39)
- - Mega Punch Hit: 0.85 -> 0.1239 win
- - Mega Punch Miss: 0.15
- > Mega Punch Hit: 0.85 -> 0.0186 win
- > Mega Punch Miss: 0.15
- - Mega Punch Hit: 0.85 -> 0.0028 win
- - Mega Punch Miss: 0.15 -> lose
- Mega Punch Miss: 0.15
- - Mega Punch Hit: 0.85
- - Mega Punch Miss: 0.15
- > Mega Punch Hit: 0.85
- > Mega Punch Miss: 0.15 -> lose
- GOOD: 0.1394 + 0.5366 + 0.0268 + 0.0013 + 0.1239 + 0.0186 + 0.0028 = 0.8494
- SUMMARY
- -
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- ROUTE ONE OUTPUT (moon - yougster)
- SUPER NERD
- L16 Nidoking vs L12 Grimer (43/26/18/12/16)
- Tackle 13-16 30.23-37.21% (crit: 19-23 44.19-53.49%)
- Normal rolls: 13x7, 14x16, 15x15, 16x1
- Crit rolls: 19x5, 20x11, 21x11, 22x11, 23x1
- Horn Attack 23-28 53.49-65.12% (crit: 35-42 81.40-97.67%)
- Normal rolls: 23x2, 24x9, 25x9, 26x9, 27x9, 28x1
- Crit rolls: 35x2, 36x6, 37x6, 38x6, 39x6, 40x6, 41x6, 42x1
- Double Kick 5-7 11.63-16.28% (crit: 8-10 18.60-23.26%)
- Normal rolls: 5x2, 6x36, 7x1
- Crit rolls: 8x13, 9x25, 10x1
- Mega Punch 28-34 65.12-79.07% (crit: 43-51 100.00-118.60%)
- Normal rolls: 28x1, 29x7, 30x8, 31x7, 32x8, 33x7, 34x1
- Crit rolls: 43x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- L16 Nidoking vs L12 Voltorb (33/14/18/30/20)
- Horn Attack 23-28 69.70-84.85% (crit: 35-42 106.06-127.27%)
- Normal rolls: 23x2, 24x9, 25x9, 26x9, 27x9, 28x1
- Crit rolls: 33x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- Double Kick 11-14 33.33-42.42% (crit: 17-20 51.52-60.61%)
- Normal rolls: 11x2, 12x18, 13x18, 14x1
- Crit rolls: 17x13, 18x13, 19x12, 20x1
- Mega Punch 28-34 84.85-103.03% (crit: 43-51 130.30-154.55%)
- Normal rolls: 28x1, 29x7, 30x8, 31x7, 32x8, 33x8
- Crit rolls: 33x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 33.5537%)
- L17 Nidoking vs L12 Koffing (33/22/29/15/21)
- Tackle 9-11 27.27-33.33% (crit: 14-17 42.42-51.52%)
- Normal rolls: 9x15, 10x23, 11x1
- Crit rolls: 14x8, 15x15, 16x15, 17x1
- Horn Attack 15-18 45.45-54.55% (crit: 25-30 75.76-90.91%)
- Normal rolls: 15x10, 16x14, 17x14, 18x1
- Crit rolls: 25x4, 26x9, 27x8, 28x9, 29x8, 30x1
- (Overall 2-hit Kill%: 60.6729%)
- Double Kick 3-4 9.09-12.12% (crit: 5-7 15.15-21.21%)
- Normal rolls: 3x38, 4x1
- Crit rolls: 5x2, 6x36, 7x1
- Mega Punch 18-22 54.55-66.67% (crit: 30-36 90.91-109.09%)
- Normal rolls: 18x4, 19x11, 20x12, 21x11, 22x1
- Crit rolls: 30x3, 31x7, 32x7, 33x22
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 9.2548%)
- LVL: 17 EXP NEEDED: 174/678
- JESSIEJAMES
- L17 Nidoking vs L14 Ekans (36/24/19/22/18)
- Tackle 12-15 33.33-41.67% (crit: 21-25 58.33-69.44%)
- Normal rolls: 12x4, 13x17, 14x17, 15x1
- Crit rolls: 21x8, 22x10, 23x10, 24x10, 25x1
- Horn Attack 22-27 61.11-75.00% (crit: 38-45 105.56-125.00%)
- Normal rolls: 22x1, 23x9, 24x10, 25x9, 26x9, 27x1
- Crit rolls: 36x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- Double Kick 5-6 13.89-16.67% (crit: 8-10 22.22-27.78%)
- Normal rolls: 5x38, 6x1
- Crit rolls: 8x13, 9x25, 10x1
- Mega Punch 28-33 77.78-91.67% (crit: 46-55 127.78-152.78%)
- Normal rolls: 28x8, 29x7, 30x8, 31x8, 32x7, 33x1
- Crit rolls: 36x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- L18 Nidoking vs L14 Meowth
- Double Kick 28-34 75.68-91.89% (crit: 44-52 118.92-140.54%)
- Normal rolls: 28x1, 29x7, 30x8, 31x7, 32x8, 33x7, 34x1
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- L18 Nidoking vs L14 Koffing (37/25/33/17/24)
- Tackle 9-11 24.32-29.73% (crit: 13-16 35.14-43.24%)
- Normal rolls: 9x15, 10x23, 11x1
- Crit rolls: 13x7, 14x16, 15x15, 16x1
- Horn Attack 16-19 43.24-51.35% (crit: 24-29 64.86-78.38%)
- Normal rolls: 16x12, 17x13, 18x13, 19x1
- Crit rolls: 24x3, 25x9, 26x9, 27x9, 28x8, 29x1
- (Overall 2-hit Kill%: 31.3613%)
- Double Kick 4-5 10.81-13.51% (crit: 5-7 13.51-18.92%)
- Normal rolls: 4x38, 5x1
- Crit rolls: 5x2, 6x36, 7x1
- Mega Punch 19-23 51.35-62.16% (crit: 30-36 81.08-97.30%)
- Normal rolls: 19x5, 20x11, 21x11, 22x11, 23x1
- Crit rolls: 30x3, 31x7, 32x7, 33x7, 34x7, 35x7, 36x1
- LVL: 18 EXP NEEDED: 216/777
- RIVAL1
- L18 Nidoking vs L18 Spearow (45/29/18/33/19)
- Horn Attack 28-33 62.22-73.33% (crit: 44-52 97.78-115.56%)
- Normal rolls: 28x8, 29x7, 30x8, 31x8, 32x7, 33x1
- Crit rolls: 44x4, 45x35
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 14.7236%)
- Double Kick 13-16 28.89-35.56% (crit: 21-25 46.67-55.56%)
- Normal rolls: 13x7, 14x16, 15x15, 16x1
- Crit rolls: 21x8, 22x10, 23x10, 24x10, 25x1
- Mega Punch 34-41 75.56-91.11% (crit: 54-64 120.00-142.22%)
- Normal rolls: 34x1, 35x6, 36x7, 37x6, 38x6, 39x6, 40x6, 41x1
- Crit rolls: 45x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- L19 Nidoking vs L15 Sandshrew (42/30/32/19/16)
- Horn Attack 17-21 40.48-50.00% (crit: 28-34 66.67-80.95%)
- Normal rolls: 17x2, 18x12, 19x12, 20x12, 21x1
- Crit rolls: 28x1, 29x7, 30x8, 31x7, 32x8, 33x7, 34x1
- (Overall 2-hit Kill%: 30.1668%)
- Double Kick 8-10 19.05-23.81% (crit: 13-16 30.95-38.10%)
- Normal rolls: 8x13, 9x25, 10x1
- Crit rolls: 13x7, 14x16, 15x15, 16x1
- Mega Punch 21-25 50.00-59.52% (crit: 34-41 80.95-97.62%)
- Normal rolls: 21x8, 22x10, 23x10, 24x10, 25x1
- Crit rolls: 34x1, 35x6, 36x7, 37x6, 38x6, 39x6, 40x6, 41x1
- L19 Nidoking vs L15 Rattata
- Double Kick 30-36 83.33-100.00% (crit: 51-60 141.67-166.67%)
- Normal rolls: 30x3, 31x7, 32x7, 33x7, 34x7, 35x7, 36x1
- Crit rolls: 36x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 18.5497%)
- L19 Nidoking vs L17 Eevee
- Double Kick 22-26 45.83-54.17% (crit: 35-42 72.92-87.50%)
- Normal rolls: 22x9, 23x10, 24x10, 25x9, 26x1
- Crit rolls: 35x2, 36x6, 37x6, 38x6, 39x6, 40x6, 41x6, 42x1
- (Overall 2-hit Kill%: 58.5136%)
- LVL: 19 EXP NEEDED: 63/885
- BUG CATCHER
- L19 Nidoking vs L14 Caterpie
- Horn Attack 31-37 81.58-97.37% (crit: 53-63 139.47-165.79%)
- Normal rolls: 31x4, 32x7, 33x7, 34x7, 35x7, 36x6, 37x1
- Crit rolls: 38x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- Mega Punch 39-46 102.63-121.05% (crit: 65-77 171.05-202.63%)
- Normal rolls: 38x39
- Crit rolls: 38x39
- L20 Nidoking vs L14 Weedle
- Horn Attack 41-49 110.81-132.43% (crit: 66-78 178.38-210.81%)
- Normal rolls: 37x39
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- Mega Punch 51-60 137.84-162.16% (crit: 81-96 218.92-259.46%)
- Normal rolls: 37x39
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- LVL: 20 EXP NEEDED: 746/998
- LASS
- L20 Nidoking vs L14 Pidgey
- Horn Attack 34-41 91.89-110.81% (crit: 55-65 148.65-175.68%)
- Normal rolls: 34x1, 35x6, 36x7, 37x25
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 69.9920%)
- Mega Punch 42-50 113.51-135.14% (crit: 68-80 183.78-216.22%)
- Normal rolls: 37x39
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- L20 Nidoking vs L14 NidoranF (41/20/21/18/18)
- Tackle 17-20 41.46-48.78% (crit: 26-31 63.41-75.61%)
- Normal rolls: 17x13, 18x13, 19x12, 20x1
- Crit rolls: 26x6, 27x8, 28x8, 29x8, 30x8, 31x1
- Horn Attack 30-36 73.17-87.80% (crit: 47-56 114.63-136.59%)
- Normal rolls: 30x3, 31x7, 32x7, 33x7, 34x7, 35x7, 36x1
- Crit rolls: 41x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- Double Kick 6-8 14.63-19.51% (crit: 11-13 26.83-31.71%)
- Normal rolls: 6x7, 7x31, 8x1
- Crit rolls: 11x19, 12x19, 13x1
- Mega Punch 36-43 87.80-104.88% (crit: 58-69 141.46-168.29%)
- Normal rolls: 36x3, 37x6, 38x6, 39x6, 40x6, 41x12
- Crit rolls: 41x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 42.1274%)
- LVL: 20 EXP NEEDED: 404/998
- YOUNGSTER
- L20 Nidoking vs L14 Rattata
- Double Kick 35-42 102.94-123.53% (crit: 56-66 164.71-194.12%)
- Normal rolls: 34x39
- Crit rolls: 34x39
- L20 Nidoking vs L14 Ekans
- Horn Attack 33-39 91.67-108.33% (crit: 52-62 144.44-172.22%)
- Normal rolls: 33x6, 34x6, 35x7, 36x20
- Crit rolls: 36x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 59.2748%)
- Mega Punch 40-48 111.11-133.33% (crit: 64-76 177.78-211.11%)
- Normal rolls: 36x39
- Crit rolls: 36x39
- L20 Nidoking vs L14 Zubat
- Horn Attack 37-44 100.00-118.92% (crit: 58-69 156.76-186.49%)
- Normal rolls: 37x39
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- Mega Punch 45-53 121.62-143.24% (crit: 72-85 194.59-229.73%)
- Normal rolls: 37x39
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- LVL: 21 EXP NEEDED: 1004/1119
- *****IF NO CANDIES (ignore for now)*****
- Implication: R3 Lass + Candy x2 after onix.
- LASS
- L20 Nidoking vs L16 Pidgey
- Horn Attack 31-37 75.61-90.24% (crit: 50-59 121.95-143.90%)
- Normal rolls: 31x4, 32x7, 33x7, 34x7, 35x7, 36x6, 37x1
- Crit rolls: 41x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- Mega Punch 39-46 95.12-112.20% (crit: 61-72 148.78-175.61%)
- Normal rolls: 39x5, 40x6, 41x28
- Crit rolls: 41x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 76.4223%)
- L21 Nidoking vs L16 NidoranF (46/22/24/20/20)
- Tackle 15-18 32.61-39.13% (crit: 24-29 52.17-63.04%)
- Normal rolls: 15x10, 16x14, 17x14, 18x1
- Crit rolls: 24x3, 25x9, 26x9, 27x9, 28x8, 29x1
- Horn Attack 28-33 60.87-71.74% (crit: 44-52 95.65-113.04%)
- Normal rolls: 28x8, 29x7, 30x8, 31x8, 32x7, 33x1
- Crit rolls: 44x4, 45x5, 46x30
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 12.6202%)
- Double Kick 6-8 13.04-17.39% (crit: 10-12 21.74-26.09%)
- Normal rolls: 6x7, 7x31, 8x1
- Crit rolls: 10x17, 11x21, 12x1
- Mega Punch 34-40 73.91-86.96% (crit: 54-64 117.39-139.13%)
- Normal rolls: 34x7, 35x6, 36x6, 37x7, 38x6, 39x6, 40x1
- Crit rolls: 46x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 16.4063%)
- LVL: 21 EXP NEEDED: 843/1119
- JRTRAINERM
- L21 Nidoking vs L18 Mankey
- Mega Punch 40-48 88.89-106.67% (crit: 64-76 142.22-168.89%)
- Normal rolls: 40x1, 41x6, 42x5, 43x5, 44x6, 45x16
- Crit rolls: 45x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 50.7011%)
- LVL: 21 EXP NEEDED: 558/1119
- ROCKET
- L21 Nidoking vs L15 Ekans
- Horn Attack 33-39 89.19-105.41% (crit: 52-62 140.54-167.57%)
- Normal rolls: 33x6, 34x6, 35x7, 36x6, 37x14
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- (Overall 1-hit Kill%: 46.4143%)
- Mega Punch 40-48 108.11-129.73% (crit: 64-76 172.97-205.41%)
- Normal rolls: 37x39
- Crit rolls: 37x39
- L21 Nidoking vs L15 Zubat
- Horn Attack 39-46 100.00-117.95% (crit: 62-73 158.97-187.18%)
- Normal rolls: 39x39
- Crit rolls: 39x39
- Mega Punch 47-56 120.51-143.59% (crit: 76-90 194.87-230.77%)
- Normal rolls: 39x39
- Crit rolls: 39x39
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