Fallacies with ProfFarnsworth

Jesus is LORD OF THE DANCE
innit
Theists are typically very dumb people.
FastFred
And life is just a dance
innit
They irritate me.
chonkin
"well gotta run"???
FastFred
So is eternity
FastFred
laters
chonkin
Are you a 12 year old?
innit
They'll know almost nothing about anything, right.
innit
You engage them on seven topics and they come across as morons, right.
chonkin
innit:    I really need him to stop typing and stop filling
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like this
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And then when it comes to the nature of reality, they just know it all.
innit
chonkin: Yes, that is always pretty annoying.
FastFred
you cannot distill life from matter
chonkin
innit:   He's not even communicating effectively even when I try to slow him down and ask clarifying questions about his own posts.
innit
He's not interested in communicating, was my read.
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chonkin
innit:   I would be tickled pink if anyone on IRC told me to slow down and asked me clarifying questions.  I would feel touched by grace if such nicetites were awarded to me.
innit
He was in Theist-Mode which is this emotional state theists will enter when they get overwhelmed by the Majesty of It All.
innit
hehe, that's a nice point, chonkin.
ProfFarnsworth
innit: it is possible to have a rational conception of divinity, but it does not lead one to Abrahamic monotheism; it leads one to something much more like philosophical Hinduism.
chonkin
innit:   When I allow such grace to idiots liek FastFred  it's all  "Jesus if Lord of Dance.  im outta here. peace yo"  (then he doesn't leave)
innit
lol
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11:35 innit
ProfFarnsworth: Do you agree it is pretty correct to dismiss almost all historical theism, as the minds originating those models of reality are not of high quality?
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chonkin
innit:   I have nNO IDEA how to be more  graceful and respectful to a person than to openly respect and validate their "mental allegations"  and then  tell them in clear english that the next step is to collect evidence which supports that allegation.
ProfFarnsworth
innit: no. Plato's mind is of high quality.
innit
Historical theists just aren't computational systems whose output on the topic of Universe Creation means anything, right -- they didn't even know the structure of the Solar System.
innit
chonkin: He was having an ecstasy experience for which all we're needed is to witness.
chonkin
innit:   You don't get published in science by making allegations.   YOur allegations must be statedin the ABSTRACT, and the next 8 to 10 pages shows teh observations you made that support that 'allegation'
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ProfFarnsworth: When a human mind makes a description of something, there's multiple things we need to consider, right.
ProfFarnsworth
innit: certainly. Plato considered a great many things.
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What is the generic nature of human mind, i.e. due to its species-ness? What are the particulars of this mind, i.e. personality, IQ, upbringing, culture, etc.?
chonkin
innit:  I was the most honest and respectful person he will ever meet on the internet.    I don't think he was fishing for honesty and respect.   He wanted something like 'I'm going to spray my mental noise into this chatroom and I demand validation"
ProfFarnsworth
Whitehead wrote that all of western philosophy is footnotes to Plato ... and I agree with him.
innit
Do they have any non-psychological evidence for their idea? Have they done any tests to differentiate it from other possibilities?
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Ancient people had no idea of the nature of their mental species-ness, as they didn't have access to the theory of evolution..
chonkin
innit:    That's so honest and down-to-earth I can't get any lower to earth.
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chonkin: It's a form of mental masturbation.
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ProfFarnsworth: That seems irrelevant in this context.
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I would disagree very strongly with Whitehead in the regard that I'm discussing.
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Imagine of Plato had ideas about the nature of the galaxy, we would just essentially dismiss them out of hand at this point, right?
chonkin
innit:   I'm sorry you had to witness the FastFred trainwrek. I wish that you were here earlier
ProfFarnsworth
innit: without philosophers like Plato, we would not have gotten to where we are now even in the sciences which used to be called natural philosophy.
innit
Any ideas output by Plato's mind on 'galaxy' would be covered in his species-ness and personal mental qualities.
chonkin
let me try to time machine back to the pre-FastFred calamity
innit
They wouldn't be meaningful descriptions of the actually 'galaxy'.
innit
ProfFarnsworth: That isn't my question.
innit
My question is, in 2019, I can just sort of instantly dismiss Plato's ideas on the structure of the galaxy, stars, the universe, and the structural nature of reality.
ProfFarnsworth
innit: you're being anachrostic; if Plato and his contemporaries had the technologies we have, they would have certainly accepted the empirical evidence as to the structure of the physical.
innit
I see.
chonkin
[1:24:05 pm] <chonkin> MadCatX:  The Bible creation stories are wrong not on account of having mentioned an angel defending a garden witha  lightsaber.  They are wrong because the evidence observed contradicts their claims.
innit
I'm being anachronistic by asking you what a modern person should do with ideas from the past.
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And you're demonstrating this to me by imaging them having technology they didn't have.
ProfFarnsworth
Dismissing all of them out of hand is ridculous.
11:43 chonkin
[1:28:32 pm] <chonkin> MadCatX:    The fundies are hard-at-work getting evolution removed from Texas schools and louisiana and shcools and (fill in random southern state)_____ schools.   And their primary complaint is that evolution is a hypothetical speculation that is ideologically charged and this secular ideology is being rammed down the throats of good christian children. That's the complaint.  THat's the pivot point
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That's the solution to my anachronism.
chonkin
[1:28:54 pm] <chonkin> What are going to do next?
innit
ProfFarnsworth: That was a strawman.
chonkin
[1:29:14 pm] <chonkin> Dig your heels deeper into an ideological position>?     Think for five seconds befor eyou do that.  Doing that would play right into their hands
innit
I cannot believe somebody of your caliber is legitimately respond with a strawman.
chonkin
[1:10:14 pm] <chonkin> The claims made in Texas and Louisiana and other southern states is that  evolutino shoudl be removed from teh curriculum on account of being an "ideology" rammned down teh throats of unsuspecting youth.
chonkin
[1:10:23 pm] <chonkin> "indoctrination into ideology" is the complaint
innit
The only conclusion I can come to is that you're too emotionally invested in theism to be smart on this topic.
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ProfFarnsworth: I ended my conversation with you at this time, as that was an enormous fallacy.
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chonkin: Did you see that?
chonkin
[1:40:13 pm] <chonkin> fas  If you go in front of a Texas schoolboard and tell those people that "I'm going to ram the theory of evolution down tehthroats of your kids because I am a militant atheist with an ideological bent and my ideology is supreme to your ancient fairytales"  .. That will backfire in yoru face.  The schoolboard would wipe the curriculum and start up morning prayer in a heartbeat.
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This guy has a degree in logic and has an IQ easily above 130.
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I ask him, Do you agree we can dismiss output from the set X when the topic is Y?
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And he responded with, 'Always dismissing X is ridiculous'.
innit
I'm telling you, even smart people become 'Lord is Dance' when the topic is theism.