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  3. Hey, let me get those.
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  7. It's okay.
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  11. No, it's cool, I got it.
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  15. Thanks.
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  19. Yeah, thank you.
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  22. 00:01:19,513 --> 00:01:23,048
  23. So, uh, you girls
  24. at the University?
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  27. 00:01:23,484 --> 00:01:24,616
  28. Yeah.
  29.  
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  31. 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:26,452
  32. Most of the people in here are.
  33.  
  34. 9
  35. 00:01:26,454 --> 00:01:29,455
  36. You're kinda outta the
  37. usual age range, no?
  38.  
  39. 10
  40. 00:01:29,457 --> 00:01:32,791
  41. Yeah, well, uh,
  42. I'm not a student.
  43.  
  44. 11
  45. 00:01:32,927 --> 00:01:35,928
  46. You don't say?
  47.  
  48. 12
  49. 00:01:36,430 --> 00:01:38,363
  50. I did go to university,
  51.  
  52. 13
  53. 00:01:38,566 --> 00:01:40,399
  54. in Washington, in the late '60s.
  55.  
  56. 14
  57. 00:01:40,401 --> 00:01:43,769
  58. Washington? What are
  59. you doing out here?
  60.  
  61. 15
  62. 00:01:44,038 --> 00:01:45,304
  63. Traveling.
  64.  
  65. 16
  66. 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,108
  67. So, uh, you girls in a sorority?
  68.  
  69. 17
  70. 00:01:49,677 --> 00:01:50,442
  71. Yeah.
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  73. 18
  74. 00:01:50,444 --> 00:01:51,810
  75. Which one?
  76.  
  77. 19
  78. 00:01:52,012 --> 00:01:53,412
  79. Why do you wanna know?
  80.  
  81. 20
  82. 00:01:53,514 --> 00:01:55,280
  83. Just making conversation.
  84.  
  85. 21
  86. 00:01:55,282 --> 00:01:56,982
  87. We're in Chi Omega.
  88.  
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  90. 00:01:58,552 --> 00:02:00,018
  91. Nice.
  92.  
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  94. 00:02:00,187 --> 00:02:02,821
  95. Listen, we were
  96. just heading home.
  97.  
  98. 24
  99. 00:02:02,823 --> 00:02:04,022
  100. We were?
  101.  
  102. 25
  103. 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:08,694
  104. Uh, it was nice to meet you.
  105.  
  106. 26
  107. 00:02:08,863 --> 00:02:10,262
  108. You girls won't stick around?
  109.  
  110. 27
  111. 00:02:10,264 --> 00:02:11,497
  112. I'm buying.
  113.  
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  115. 00:02:11,499 --> 00:02:13,565
  116. No, that's fine.
  117.  
  118. 29
  119. 00:02:13,567 --> 00:02:14,867
  120. Thanks again.
  121.  
  122. 30
  123. 00:05:13,714 --> 00:05:15,514
  124. Margaret?
  125.  
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  127. 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:18,583
  128. Lisa?
  129.  
  130. 32
  131. 00:07:08,262 --> 00:07:10,929
  132. So, what have we got?
  133.  
  134. 33
  135. 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:12,130
  136. Female.
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  139. 00:07:12,132 --> 00:07:14,433
  140. I'd say she's about 16 or 17.
  141.  
  142. 35
  143. 00:07:14,868 --> 00:07:16,034
  144. Christ.
  145.  
  146. 36
  147. 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,114
  148. Ligature marks
  149. around the throat,
  150.  
  151. 37
  152. 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:33,185
  153. no defensive wounds
  154. on the hands,
  155.  
  156. 38
  157. 00:07:33,887 --> 00:07:36,588
  158. maybe she was taken by surprise.
  159.  
  160. 39
  161. 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:39,558
  162. Perhaps approached from behind.
  163.  
  164. 40
  165. 00:07:39,726 --> 00:07:42,627
  166. She's been in the
  167. water for a while.
  168.  
  169. 41
  170. 00:08:05,552 --> 00:08:06,918
  171. Hey.
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  173. 42
  174. 00:08:06,987 --> 00:08:08,653
  175. Hey, honey.
  176.  
  177. 43
  178. 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:16,495
  179. Oh.
  180.  
  181. 44
  182. 00:08:17,865 --> 00:08:19,531
  183. Tough day, huh?
  184.  
  185. 45
  186. 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:21,266
  187. You could say that.
  188.  
  189. 46
  190. 00:08:21,902 --> 00:08:22,634
  191. Deb home?
  192.  
  193. 47
  194. 00:08:22,636 --> 00:08:24,569
  195. Yeah, she's upstairs.
  196.  
  197. 48
  198. 00:08:24,571 --> 00:08:28,173
  199. Tell her dinner will
  200. be ready in half hour.
  201.  
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  203. 00:08:38,986 --> 00:08:40,185
  204. Yeah?
  205.  
  206. 50
  207. 00:08:43,524 --> 00:08:44,756
  208. Hey, Dad.
  209.  
  210. 51
  211. 00:08:45,692 --> 00:08:48,059
  212. Hey, how was school today?
  213.  
  214. 52
  215. 00:08:48,262 --> 00:08:49,594
  216. Ah, you know, the usual.
  217.  
  218. 53
  219. 00:08:49,596 --> 00:08:51,897
  220. A main course of
  221. government propaganda
  222.  
  223. 54
  224. 00:08:51,899 --> 00:08:53,198
  225. with a side of condescension.
  226.  
  227. 55
  228. 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,735
  229. You don't say things like
  230. that to your teachers, do you?
  231.  
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  233. 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:57,936
  234. No.
  235.  
  236. 57
  237. 00:08:57,938 --> 00:09:00,338
  238. I toe the line like a good girl.
  239.  
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  241. 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:02,507
  242. Thank you.
  243.  
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  245. 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:13,518
  246. You okay, Dad?
  247.  
  248. 60
  249. 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,021
  250. Um, yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
  251.  
  252. 61
  253. 00:09:16,023 --> 00:09:19,424
  254. Your mother said dinner
  255. will be ready in half hour.
  256.  
  257. 62
  258. 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:21,459
  259. Cool, thanks.
  260.  
  261. 63
  262. 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:34,339
  263. Mm, that's nice.
  264.  
  265. 64
  266. 00:09:34,341 --> 00:09:36,241
  267. It's so good.
  268.  
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  270. 00:09:37,644 --> 00:09:38,376
  271. Water?
  272.  
  273. 66
  274. 00:09:38,378 --> 00:09:39,444
  275. - Mm.
  276. - Did you make this
  277.  
  278. 67
  279. 00:09:39,446 --> 00:09:40,478
  280. from the box again?
  281.  
  282. 68
  283. 00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:42,814
  284. - How did you know?
  285. - 'Cause it's really good.
  286.  
  287. 69
  288. 00:09:42,816 --> 00:09:43,682
  289. Cheeky.
  290.  
  291. 70
  292. 00:09:43,684 --> 00:09:45,050
  293. And it's better than
  294. your other one.
  295.  
  296. 71
  297. 00:09:45,052 --> 00:09:46,484
  298. - Don't be so cheeky.
  299. - Better than my other one?
  300.  
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  302. 00:09:46,486 --> 00:09:47,118
  303. Mm-hmm.
  304.  
  305. 73
  306. 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,520
  307. I don't know.
  308.  
  309. 74
  310. 00:09:51,992 --> 00:09:53,024
  311. So...
  312.  
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  314. 00:09:53,026 --> 00:09:54,259
  315. Mm-hmm?
  316.  
  317. 76
  318. 00:09:54,261 --> 00:09:55,694
  319. What's happened today?
  320.  
  321. 77
  322. 00:09:55,696 --> 00:09:59,798
  323. Well, you've got a funny
  324. story about Mrs. Appleby,
  325.  
  326. 78
  327. 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:00,532
  328. don't you?
  329.  
  330. 79
  331. 00:10:01,435 --> 00:10:03,802
  332. I think she stole the
  333. other neighbor's baby.
  334.  
  335. 80
  336. 00:10:03,804 --> 00:10:04,703
  337. What?
  338.  
  339. 81
  340. 00:10:04,705 --> 00:10:08,073
  341. Yeah, 'cause I heard crying
  342. coming from her house.
  343.  
  344. 82
  345. 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,142
  346. Maybe it was her granddaughter.
  347.  
  348. 83
  349. 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:16,982
  350. Hello?
  351.  
  352. 84
  353. 00:10:16,984 --> 00:10:18,950
  354. <i> It's Tom, sorry</i>
  355. <i>to bother you at home,</i>
  356.  
  357. 85
  358. 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:21,186
  359. <i>but you need to hear this.</i>
  360.  
  361. 86
  362. 00:10:21,188 --> 00:10:22,120
  363. What is it?
  364.  
  365. 87
  366. 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:23,755
  367. <i>We found three more.</i>
  368.  
  369. 88
  370. 00:10:23,757 --> 00:10:24,923
  371. Three more?
  372.  
  373. 89
  374. 00:10:24,925 --> 00:10:25,924
  375. <i>Bodies.</i>
  376.  
  377. 90
  378. 00:10:25,926 --> 00:10:28,393
  379. <i>In the Green River.</i>
  380.  
  381. 91
  382. 00:11:03,697 --> 00:11:05,030
  383. The ligature marks to the neck
  384.  
  385. 92
  386. 00:11:05,032 --> 00:11:07,365
  387. are consistent with an
  388. approach from behind.
  389.  
  390. 93
  391. 00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:09,701
  392. All the victims share
  393. the same features,
  394.  
  395. 94
  396. 00:11:09,703 --> 00:11:10,769
  397. the ligature marks,
  398.  
  399. 95
  400. 00:11:10,771 --> 00:11:13,338
  401. no defensive wounds
  402. to the hands or arms,
  403.  
  404. 96
  405. 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:15,707
  406. all had recently had sex.
  407.  
  408. 97
  409. 00:11:15,876 --> 00:11:18,076
  410. Both the missing women
  411. worked as prostitutes.
  412.  
  413. 98
  414. 00:11:18,078 --> 00:11:21,146
  415. They were last seen at the
  416. SeaTac strip, near the airport.
  417.  
  418. 99
  419. 00:11:21,148 --> 00:11:25,183
  420. Looks like we have a
  421. serial killer on our hands.
  422.  
  423. 100
  424. 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,219
  425. This isn't random opportunism.
  426.  
  427. 101
  428. 00:11:28,221 --> 00:11:30,655
  429. If all the victims share
  430. the same profession,
  431.  
  432. 102
  433. 00:11:30,657 --> 00:11:32,624
  434. the killer's
  435. cruising prostitutes.
  436.  
  437. 103
  438. 00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,459
  439. These women came
  440. with him willingly.
  441.  
  442. 104
  443. 00:11:34,461 --> 00:11:36,828
  444. He may well be a regular
  445. down on the strip.
  446.  
  447. 105
  448. 00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:38,797
  449. Considering the lack
  450. of defensive marks
  451.  
  452. 106
  453. 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:40,765
  454. and recent sexual activity,
  455.  
  456. 107
  457. 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:43,134
  458. the women could've been
  459. killed post-coitus,
  460.  
  461. 108
  462. 00:11:43,136 --> 00:11:45,603
  463. or even mid-coitus.
  464.  
  465. 109
  466. 00:11:45,605 --> 00:11:48,640
  467. Clear signs of
  468. sexual motivation.
  469.  
  470. 110
  471. 00:11:49,576 --> 00:11:51,609
  472. We've had calls from the press.
  473.  
  474. 111
  475. 00:11:51,611 --> 00:11:53,211
  476. This is gonna be big news.
  477.  
  478. 112
  479. 00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:55,380
  480. You wanna handle the briefing?
  481.  
  482. 113
  483. 00:11:55,849 --> 00:11:57,048
  484. Sure.
  485.  
  486. 114
  487. 00:11:59,986 --> 00:12:01,853
  488. Have you
  489. put any surveillance
  490.  
  491. 115
  492. 00:12:01,855 --> 00:12:03,655
  493. on the SeaTac strip?
  494.  
  495. 116
  496. 00:12:04,558 --> 00:12:06,858
  497. No, not at this stage.
  498.  
  499. 117
  500. 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:10,695
  501. How many officers have you
  502. put onto the task force?
  503.  
  504. 118
  505. 00:12:10,697 --> 00:12:14,699
  506. Um, that number I cannot
  507. tell you right now.
  508.  
  509. 119
  510. 00:12:15,635 --> 00:12:16,901
  511. We'll get back to you on that.
  512.  
  513. 120
  514. 00:12:16,903 --> 00:12:20,672
  515. How much is this
  516. going to cost the taxpayer?
  517.  
  518. 121
  519. 00:12:20,674 --> 00:12:22,407
  520. I can't answer that.
  521.  
  522. 122
  523. 00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:23,108
  524. Next.
  525.  
  526. 123
  527. 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:25,744
  528. Is there any truth to the rumor
  529.  
  530. 124
  531. 00:12:25,746 --> 00:12:28,213
  532. that the police are not
  533. taking this seriously
  534.  
  535. 125
  536. 00:12:28,215 --> 00:12:30,081
  537. because it involves prostitutes?
  538.  
  539. 126
  540. 00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:33,118
  541. No, there
  542. is no truth in that.
  543.  
  544. 127
  545. 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:33,918
  546. Anyone else?
  547.  
  548. 128
  549. 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,755
  550. Well, do you have any suspects?
  551.  
  552. 129
  553. 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,795
  554. No, no, no.
  555.  
  556. 130
  557. 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:47,599
  558. Are we done?
  559.  
  560. 131
  561. 00:12:49,002 --> 00:12:50,502
  562. Thank you for coming.
  563.  
  564. 132
  565. 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:51,269
  566. Thank you.
  567.  
  568. 133
  569. 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,952
  570. Yeah.
  571.  
  572. 134
  573. 00:13:10,157 --> 00:13:11,956
  574. Detective Richards?
  575.  
  576. 135
  577. 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:13,658
  578. Yes.
  579.  
  580. 136
  581. 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:14,526
  582. I'm Bob Keller,
  583.  
  584. 137
  585. 00:13:14,528 --> 00:13:17,362
  586. I work with the FBI
  587. Behavioral Science Unit.
  588.  
  589. 138
  590. 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:18,897
  591. Come in.
  592.  
  593. 139
  594. 00:13:28,575 --> 00:13:32,544
  595. So, what brings
  596. you to Green River?
  597.  
  598. 140
  599. 00:13:33,980 --> 00:13:35,547
  600. I saw the press conference.
  601.  
  602. 141
  603. 00:13:35,549 --> 00:13:37,048
  604. I thought maybe I could help.
  605.  
  606. 142
  607. 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:40,118
  608. You gonna help me improve
  609. my public relations skills?
  610.  
  611. 143
  612. 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,253
  613. You know what we do at the
  614. Behavioral Science Unit,
  615.  
  616. 144
  617. 00:13:42,255 --> 00:13:43,855
  618. Detective Richards?
  619.  
  620. 145
  621. 00:13:43,957 --> 00:13:45,990
  622. I'm vaguely familiar.
  623.  
  624. 146
  625. 00:13:47,294 --> 00:13:48,827
  626. Call me David.
  627.  
  628. 147
  629. 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:50,295
  630. Okay, David.
  631.  
  632. 148
  633. 00:13:50,297 --> 00:13:52,997
  634. We develop and provide
  635. programs of training,
  636.  
  637. 149
  638. 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:54,098
  639. research, and consultation
  640.  
  641. 150
  642. 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,700
  643. in the behavioral
  644. and social sciences
  645.  
  646. 151
  647. 00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:58,670
  648. for the FBI and law
  649. enforcement community.
  650.  
  651. 152
  652. 00:13:58,672 --> 00:14:00,805
  653. If you don't catch
  654. this killer quick,
  655.  
  656. 153
  657. 00:14:00,807 --> 00:14:04,042
  658. dealing with the press
  659. isn't gonna get any easier.
  660.  
  661. 154
  662. 00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:05,710
  663. Well, I've set up a task force,
  664.  
  665. 155
  666. 00:14:05,712 --> 00:14:09,147
  667. led by myself and
  668. Detective Tom Johnson.
  669.  
  670. 156
  671. 00:14:09,149 --> 00:14:11,583
  672. We've had confirmation
  673. all of the victims
  674.  
  675. 157
  676. 00:14:11,585 --> 00:14:15,053
  677. frequented an area
  678. known for prostitution.
  679.  
  680. 158
  681. 00:14:15,322 --> 00:14:17,655
  682. It's likely the killer is
  683. a regular visitor there,
  684.  
  685. 159
  686. 00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:21,292
  687. so we're staking it out, as
  688. well as the Green River itself.
  689.  
  690. 160
  691. 00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:24,395
  692. But it may make it easier to
  693. identify the killer's habits
  694.  
  695. 161
  696. 00:14:24,397 --> 00:14:27,232
  697. if we formed a
  698. psychological profile.
  699.  
  700. 162
  701. 00:14:27,234 --> 00:14:29,801
  702. And that's something
  703. I can help you with.
  704.  
  705. 163
  706. 00:14:32,439 --> 00:14:33,605
  707. Sure.
  708.  
  709. 164
  710. 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:41,179
  711. Have you ever had
  712. any direct experience
  713.  
  714. 165
  715. 00:14:41,181 --> 00:14:42,447
  716. with a serial killer,
  717.  
  718. 166
  719. 00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:45,383
  720. beyond just consulting
  721. on the case files?
  722.  
  723. 167
  724. 00:14:45,719 --> 00:14:46,517
  725. I have.
  726.  
  727. 168
  728. 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:49,587
  729. Back in '74, I was a rookie
  730. detective in King County.
  731.  
  732. 169
  733. 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:53,658
  734. Two girls disappeared from
  735. Lake Sammamish State Park
  736.  
  737. 170
  738. 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:55,126
  739. and several of us were assigned
  740.  
  741. 171
  742. 00:14:55,128 --> 00:14:57,061
  743. to assist the Issaquah Police.
  744.  
  745. 172
  746. 00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:59,264
  747. I became part of a task force.
  748.  
  749. 173
  750. 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:00,298
  751. We identified Ted Bundy
  752.  
  753. 174
  754. 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,001
  755. as the main suspect
  756. in the murders.
  757.  
  758. 175
  759. 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:05,670
  760. You came face to face with him?
  761.  
  762. 176
  763. 00:15:05,672 --> 00:15:06,471
  764. Yeah,
  765.  
  766. 177
  767. 00:15:06,473 --> 00:15:08,206
  768. I sat in on one of
  769. his first interviews
  770.  
  771. 178
  772. 00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:09,774
  773. after he was arrested.
  774.  
  775. 179
  776. 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:12,744
  777. What was he like?
  778.  
  779. 180
  780. 00:15:13,179 --> 00:15:18,283
  781. On the surface, very
  782. articulate, always polite.
  783.  
  784. 181
  785. 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:21,886
  786. In many ways, he reminded
  787. me of a politician.
  788.  
  789. 182
  790. 00:15:21,888 --> 00:15:22,820
  791. Smart appearance
  792.  
  793. 183
  794. 00:15:22,822 --> 00:15:25,490
  795. and he knew how to dance
  796. around the tough questions
  797.  
  798. 184
  799. 00:15:25,492 --> 00:15:28,693
  800. and divert the conversation
  801. towards his own agenda.
  802.  
  803. 185
  804. 00:15:28,695 --> 00:15:30,528
  805. But you saw through it?
  806.  
  807. 186
  808. 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:34,365
  809. I realized I had a nose
  810. for this kind of thing.
  811.  
  812. 187
  813. 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:38,303
  814. I knew the moment he sat
  815. down in that interview room,
  816.  
  817. 188
  818. 00:15:38,305 --> 00:15:41,306
  819. he was wearing a mask of sanity.
  820.  
  821. 189
  822. 00:15:42,342 --> 00:15:44,976
  823. I saw the truth
  824. behind those eyes.
  825.  
  826. 190
  827. 00:15:44,978 --> 00:15:47,545
  828. He's on death row now, right?
  829.  
  830. 191
  831. 00:15:49,416 --> 00:15:50,214
  832. Yeah.
  833.  
  834. 192
  835. 00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:51,649
  836. Actually, I've interviewed him
  837. several times
  838.  
  839. 193
  840. 00:15:51,651 --> 00:15:52,951
  841. since he was convicted.
  842.  
  843. 194
  844. 00:15:52,953 --> 00:15:54,986
  845. There are lots of murders
  846. he hasn't confessed to
  847.  
  848. 195
  849. 00:15:54,988 --> 00:15:57,822
  850. and bodies which
  851. we never recovered.
  852.  
  853. 196
  854. 00:15:57,891 --> 00:15:59,958
  855. I think he will only
  856. give up the information
  857.  
  858. 197
  859. 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,560
  860. if he can get
  861. something out of it,
  862.  
  863. 198
  864. 00:16:02,562 --> 00:16:04,896
  865. like a reprieve from execution.
  866.  
  867. 199
  868. 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:09,667
  869. Ironically, for a man who dealt
  870. out so much death to others,
  871.  
  872. 200
  873. 00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:11,069
  874. he fears dying.
  875.  
  876. 201
  877. 00:16:11,604 --> 00:16:15,540
  878. So, what are your
  879. thoughts on this one, Bob?
  880.  
  881. 202
  882. 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:18,176
  883. Can you help us build a profile?
  884.  
  885. 203
  886. 00:16:20,347 --> 00:16:21,879
  887. I'd say so.
  888.  
  889. 204
  890. 00:16:25,285 --> 00:16:27,352
  891. Obviously, the first
  892. determination
  893.  
  894. 205
  895. 00:16:27,354 --> 00:16:28,419
  896. is that these murders
  897.  
  898. 206
  899. 00:16:28,421 --> 00:16:31,856
  900. were very likely the
  901. work of one person.
  902.  
  903. 207
  904. 00:16:32,092 --> 00:16:35,593
  905. The same modus operandi
  906. was employed in each death,
  907.  
  908. 208
  909. 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:36,928
  910. and body clusters often suggest
  911.  
  912. 209
  913. 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:39,998
  914. that one individual
  915. is responsible.
  916.  
  917. 210
  918. 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:42,867
  919. He has familiarity
  920. with the Green River
  921.  
  922. 211
  923. 00:16:42,869 --> 00:16:44,736
  924. and surrounding area.
  925.  
  926. 212
  927. 00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:46,671
  928. This suggests a local man.
  929.  
  930. 213
  931. 00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:49,741
  932. He was likely raised in a
  933. family with marital discord
  934.  
  935. 214
  936. 00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,876
  937. and physically and
  938. emotionally abused.
  939.  
  940. 215
  941. 00:16:51,878 --> 00:16:55,213
  942. Possibly even strict religious
  943. or puritanical morals
  944.  
  945. 216
  946. 00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:57,949
  947. imposed by one or both parents.
  948.  
  949. 217
  950. 00:16:58,618 --> 00:17:03,588
  951. I'd say he's currently between
  952. his mid-20s and mid-30s.
  953.  
  954. 218
  955. 00:17:03,957 --> 00:17:06,124
  956. Given that all
  957. the victims so far
  958.  
  959. 219
  960. 00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:07,792
  961. have worked in prostitution,
  962.  
  963. 220
  964. 00:17:07,794 --> 00:17:09,060
  965. we can assume that the killer
  966.  
  967. 221
  968. 00:17:09,062 --> 00:17:11,763
  969. has frequented the red light
  970. district for sexual encounters
  971.  
  972. 222
  973. 00:17:11,765 --> 00:17:14,766
  974. which didn't always
  975. end in murder.
  976.  
  977. 223
  978. 00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:18,970
  979. However, there will
  980. likely be self-loathing
  981.  
  982. 224
  983. 00:17:18,972 --> 00:17:20,571
  984. as a result of these encounters,
  985.  
  986. 225
  987. 00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:24,142
  988. and it may trigger his
  989. deep-seated hatred of women.
  990.  
  991. 226
  992. 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:27,545
  993. Murderers who strangle often
  994. speak of an intimate connection
  995.  
  996. 227
  997. 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:30,615
  998. they feel with the
  999. victim as they die.
  1000.  
  1001. 228
  1002. 00:17:30,817 --> 00:17:31,983
  1003. It's twisted to you and I,
  1004.  
  1005. 229
  1006. 00:17:31,985 --> 00:17:34,886
  1007. but this man may feel
  1008. at his most alive
  1009.  
  1010. 230
  1011. 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:36,788
  1012. when he's causing death.
  1013.  
  1014. 231
  1015. 00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:39,957
  1016. That's why I know
  1017. he'll strike again.
  1018.  
  1019. 232
  1020. 00:17:39,959 --> 00:17:43,194
  1021. Every day, he deals with
  1022. the scars of childhood,
  1023.  
  1024. 233
  1025. 00:17:43,196 --> 00:17:47,598
  1026. poor relationships, and a
  1027. generally unremarkable life.
  1028.  
  1029. 234
  1030. 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,667
  1031. That buzz he gets from killing,
  1032.  
  1033. 235
  1034. 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:53,771
  1035. he'll seek it out at every
  1036. opportunity available to him.
  1037.  
  1038. 236
  1039. 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:25,803
  1040. Strangulation,
  1041. same as the others.
  1042.  
  1043. 237
  1044. 00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:27,672
  1045. How old is she?
  1046.  
  1047. 238
  1048. 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:29,974
  1049. I'd say she's in her 30s.
  1050.  
  1051. 239
  1052. 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,642
  1053. They've all varied in age.
  1054.  
  1055. 240
  1056. 00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:35,646
  1057. It's clear that isn't a
  1058. factor when selecting victims.
  1059.  
  1060. 241
  1061. 00:18:36,015 --> 00:18:38,649
  1062. I bet this one
  1063. works the strip too.
  1064.  
  1065. 242
  1066. 00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:40,551
  1067. She's been posed
  1068. very deliberately.
  1069.  
  1070. 243
  1071. 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:44,188
  1072. There's fish and a wine
  1073. bottle entwined with her body.
  1074.  
  1075. 244
  1076. 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:45,923
  1077. They weren't placed by accident.
  1078.  
  1079. 245
  1080. 00:18:45,925 --> 00:18:48,226
  1081. He didn't do that with
  1082. any of the other victims.
  1083.  
  1084. 246
  1085. 00:18:48,228 --> 00:18:50,194
  1086. Could be some kind
  1087. of religious motive?
  1088.  
  1089. 247
  1090. 00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:52,497
  1091. That ties in with the
  1092. strict religious parents
  1093.  
  1094. 248
  1095. 00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:54,732
  1096. you mentioned in
  1097. the briefing, Bob.
  1098.  
  1099. 249
  1100. 00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:55,733
  1101. Could be,
  1102.  
  1103. 250
  1104. 00:18:55,735 --> 00:18:57,502
  1105. could also be game-playing.
  1106.  
  1107. 251
  1108. 00:18:57,637 --> 00:18:58,536
  1109. How do you mean?
  1110.  
  1111. 252
  1112. 00:18:58,538 --> 00:19:00,705
  1113. He watches the news
  1114. like everybody else,
  1115.  
  1116. 253
  1117. 00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,006
  1118. he could be sending us a message
  1119.  
  1120. 254
  1121. 00:19:02,008 --> 00:19:05,376
  1122. or having a personal
  1123. joke on our expense.
  1124.  
  1125. 255
  1126. 00:19:05,378 --> 00:19:07,912
  1127. She was stripped
  1128. naked like the others,
  1129.  
  1130. 256
  1131. 00:19:07,914 --> 00:19:08,913
  1132. but they found her dress
  1133.  
  1134. 257
  1135. 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:10,781
  1136. just a few yards
  1137. down the riverbank.
  1138.  
  1139. 258
  1140. 00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:12,683
  1141. We bagged it and took it in.
  1142.  
  1143. 259
  1144. 00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:15,119
  1145. No sign of any
  1146. other items so far.
  1147.  
  1148. 260
  1149. 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:17,255
  1150. Is he getting sloppy?
  1151.  
  1152. 261
  1153. 00:19:17,257 --> 00:19:18,489
  1154. Maybe.
  1155.  
  1156. 262
  1157. 00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,424
  1158. Or, like I said,
  1159. he's taunting us.
  1160.  
  1161. 263
  1162. 00:19:20,426 --> 00:19:22,994
  1163. Catch me if you
  1164. can, so to speak.
  1165.  
  1166. 264
  1167. 00:19:42,782 --> 00:19:44,282
  1168. Do you
  1169. have any suspects?
  1170.  
  1171. 265
  1172. 00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:45,283
  1173. Out of the way, please.
  1174.  
  1175. 266
  1176. 00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:46,617
  1177. Have you
  1178. made any arrests?
  1179.  
  1180. 267
  1181. 00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:47,451
  1182. No comment.
  1183.  
  1184. 268
  1185. 00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:48,653
  1186. Nothing to say at this stage.
  1187.  
  1188. 269
  1189. 00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:50,021
  1190. How many
  1191. more are gonna die?
  1192.  
  1193. 270
  1194. 00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:50,888
  1195. Out of the way, please.
  1196.  
  1197. 271
  1198. 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:51,622
  1199. Excuse me.
  1200.  
  1201. 272
  1202. 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:52,223
  1203. Excuse me.
  1204.  
  1205. 273
  1206. 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,797
  1207. <i> In Seattle,</i>
  1208. <i>another grim discovery today</i>
  1209.  
  1210. 274
  1211. 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:03,301
  1212. <i>that could be connected to the
  1213. string of Green River murders</i>
  1214.  
  1215. 275
  1216. 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,570
  1217. <i>that have shaken
  1218. that West Coast city.</i>
  1219.  
  1220. 276
  1221. 00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:08,573
  1222. <i>Explorer scouts today
  1223. found a fourth skull</i>
  1224.  
  1225. 277
  1226. 00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,541
  1227. <i>off in a wooded
  1228. area outside of town</i>
  1229.  
  1230. 278
  1231. 00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:13,878
  1232. <i>where three other skeletons
  1233. were discovered this weekend.</i>
  1234.  
  1235. 279
  1236. 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,782
  1237. <i>Most of the victims have
  1238. been young prostitutes.</i>
  1239.  
  1240. 280
  1241. 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:21,052
  1242. So, Sandra, how did
  1243. you and Dave meet?
  1244.  
  1245. 281
  1246. 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,854
  1247. We actually went to
  1248. the same high school,
  1249.  
  1250. 282
  1251. 00:20:23,856 --> 00:20:25,690
  1252. but we didn't really meet there.
  1253.  
  1254. 283
  1255. 00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:29,126
  1256. I used to see her in the
  1257. stands at the football games.
  1258.  
  1259. 284
  1260. 00:20:29,128 --> 00:20:30,328
  1261. I found it quite distracting,
  1262.  
  1263. 285
  1264. 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:33,397
  1265. pretty sure I missed a few
  1266. catches because of her.
  1267.  
  1268. 286
  1269. 00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:35,199
  1270. Yeah, right.
  1271.  
  1272. 287
  1273. 00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:39,737
  1274. Anyway, um, I worked after
  1275. school at the local library,
  1276.  
  1277. 288
  1278. 00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,939
  1279. my mom worked there for
  1280. years, so she got me a job.
  1281.  
  1282. 289
  1283. 00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,708
  1284. It was just around the
  1285. corner from my house,
  1286.  
  1287. 290
  1288. 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:47,745
  1289. so I'd go in every day after
  1290. school,
  1291.  
  1292. 291
  1293. 00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:48,946
  1294. check out some books.
  1295.  
  1296. 292
  1297. 00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:52,717
  1298. I'd find pretty much any
  1299. excuse to talk to her.
  1300.  
  1301. 293
  1302. 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,153
  1303. About... after two months,
  1304.  
  1305. 294
  1306. 00:20:56,155 --> 00:20:59,757
  1307. Dave had this huge
  1308. stack of overdue books.
  1309.  
  1310. 295
  1311. 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,727
  1312. I liked talking to him, so
  1313. I didn't wanna remind him,
  1314.  
  1315. 296
  1316. 00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:05,896
  1317. and, um, then he
  1318. realized on his own
  1319.  
  1320. 297
  1321. 00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,766
  1322. and brought in this
  1323. big stack of books.
  1324.  
  1325. 298
  1326. 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,102
  1327. And I told him I would
  1328. get rid of the fees
  1329.  
  1330. 299
  1331. 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:14,305
  1332. if he took me out to
  1333. dinner, which he did,
  1334.  
  1335. 300
  1336. 00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:16,207
  1337. and here we are.
  1338.  
  1339. 301
  1340. 00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:18,109
  1341. What a great story.
  1342.  
  1343. 302
  1344. 00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:20,011
  1345. Are you married, Bob?
  1346.  
  1347. 303
  1348. 00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:21,646
  1349. I was...
  1350.  
  1351. 304
  1352. 00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:23,447
  1353. to Kathleen.
  1354.  
  1355. 305
  1356. 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:27,818
  1357. She died a year ago, cancer.
  1358.  
  1359. 306
  1360. 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:31,055
  1361. Oh, god, I'm so sorry.
  1362.  
  1363. 307
  1364. 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,632
  1365. Hey, Deb?
  1366.  
  1367. 308
  1368. 00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:44,969
  1369. What was that about?
  1370.  
  1371. 309
  1372. 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:45,836
  1373. I don't know.
  1374.  
  1375. 310
  1376. 00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:47,772
  1377. Do you want me to
  1378. go talk to her?
  1379.  
  1380. 311
  1381. 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:48,906
  1382. No,
  1383.  
  1384. 312
  1385. 00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:49,940
  1386. no,
  1387.  
  1388. 313
  1389. 00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:51,142
  1390. I'll go.
  1391.  
  1392. 314
  1393. 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,144
  1394. Excuse me.
  1395.  
  1396. 315
  1397. 00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:00,184
  1398. What?
  1399.  
  1400. 316
  1401. 00:22:02,088 --> 00:22:03,387
  1402. You okay?
  1403.  
  1404. 317
  1405. 00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:05,156
  1406. Not really.
  1407.  
  1408. 318
  1409. 00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:07,858
  1410. Have I done something wrong?
  1411.  
  1412. 319
  1413. 00:22:11,531 --> 00:22:16,600
  1414. I'm sorry, it's just, I
  1415. was at a party earlier,
  1416.  
  1417. 320
  1418. 00:22:16,602 --> 00:22:19,337
  1419. some guys started saying things.
  1420.  
  1421. 321
  1422. 00:22:19,639 --> 00:22:21,205
  1423. About what?
  1424.  
  1425. 322
  1426. 00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,075
  1427. You.
  1428.  
  1429. 323
  1430. 00:22:24,577 --> 00:22:26,410
  1431. What did they say?
  1432.  
  1433. 324
  1434. 00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,414
  1435. They said everyone in town
  1436.  
  1437. 325
  1438. 00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,783
  1439. knows you're
  1440. messing up the case.
  1441.  
  1442. 326
  1443. 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,052
  1444. Some of them said
  1445. that their parents
  1446.  
  1447. 327
  1448. 00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:38,889
  1449. watch you on the news
  1450. and call you names.
  1451.  
  1452. 328
  1453. 00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:40,858
  1454. What kinda names?
  1455.  
  1456. 329
  1457. 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:44,195
  1458. They say you
  1459. don't have any balls,
  1460.  
  1461. 330
  1462. 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:50,234
  1463. and that you're too weak
  1464. to catch the killer.
  1465.  
  1466. 331
  1467. 00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:57,408
  1468. I'm sorry you had to hear that.
  1469.  
  1470. 332
  1471. 00:22:58,478 --> 00:22:59,677
  1472. I know it's not your fault,
  1473.  
  1474. 333
  1475. 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,346
  1476. I'm sorry for getting
  1477. mad, it's just--
  1478.  
  1479. 334
  1480. 00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:06,317
  1481. You have every
  1482. right to be annoyed.
  1483.  
  1484. 335
  1485. 00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:10,354
  1486. It's my job, you
  1487. didn't ask for this.
  1488.  
  1489. 336
  1490. 00:23:11,824 --> 00:23:14,925
  1491. It's not just your job
  1492. though, is it, Dad?
  1493.  
  1494. 337
  1495. 00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:18,429
  1496. What do you mean?
  1497.  
  1498. 338
  1499. 00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:19,930
  1500. It's your life.
  1501.  
  1502. 339
  1503. 00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:22,566
  1504. You and your mother are my life.
  1505.  
  1506. 340
  1507. 00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:23,667
  1508. But we have to share you
  1509.  
  1510. 341
  1511. 00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:27,571
  1512. with all of the criminals in
  1513. this little part of the world.
  1514.  
  1515. 342
  1516. 00:23:27,974 --> 00:23:30,508
  1517. They get more of
  1518. your time than we do.
  1519.  
  1520. 343
  1521. 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:35,346
  1522. I'm sorry, Deb, I'll try to
  1523. make more time for us.
  1524.  
  1525. 344
  1526. 00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:38,449
  1527. Okay.
  1528.  
  1529. 345
  1530. 00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,618
  1531. Okay.
  1532.  
  1533. 346
  1534. 00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,498
  1535. <i> He's been</i>
  1536. <i>called the Green River Killer</i>
  1537.  
  1538. 347
  1539. 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,401
  1540. <i>ever since the first
  1541. bodies, five of them,</i>
  1542.  
  1543. 348
  1544. 00:23:57,403 --> 00:23:58,702
  1545. <i>were pulled from this river.</i>
  1546.  
  1547. 349
  1548. 00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:02,339
  1549. You know, this issue with the
  1550. press isn't gonna go away.
  1551.  
  1552. 350
  1553. 00:24:02,341 --> 00:24:04,375
  1554. I didn't have any
  1555. new information,
  1556.  
  1557. 351
  1558. 00:24:04,377 --> 00:24:07,311
  1559. there was no point
  1560. talking to them.
  1561.  
  1562. 352
  1563. 00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,580
  1564. But we did get
  1565. something new today.
  1566.  
  1567. 353
  1568. 00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:10,915
  1569. Nothing to leak
  1570. to the press yet,
  1571.  
  1572. 354
  1573. 00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:13,217
  1574. but it could change how
  1575. you deal with the media.
  1576.  
  1577. 355
  1578. 00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:16,520
  1579. The posing of the body
  1580. with the wine and the fish?
  1581.  
  1582. 356
  1583. 00:24:16,522 --> 00:24:17,321
  1584. Yeah.
  1585.  
  1586. 357
  1587. 00:24:17,323 --> 00:24:19,657
  1588. That wasn't part of
  1589. his modus operandi
  1590.  
  1591. 358
  1592. 00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:21,125
  1593. with previous victims.
  1594.  
  1595. 359
  1596. 00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:23,494
  1597. That was his way of
  1598. engaging with us,
  1599.  
  1600. 360
  1601. 00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:25,262
  1602. or, more to the point, you.
  1603.  
  1604. 361
  1605. 00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:28,466
  1606. It's like he's saying, "This
  1607. is my banquet, Detective."
  1608.  
  1609. 362
  1610. 00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:32,570
  1611. You really think he sat at
  1612. home watching the news reports?
  1613.  
  1614. 363
  1615. 00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:33,437
  1616. Of course.
  1617.  
  1618. 364
  1619. 00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:36,507
  1620. Narcissism is one of the
  1621. symptoms of psychopathy,
  1622.  
  1623. 365
  1624. 00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:37,975
  1625. that's the dichotomy.
  1626.  
  1627. 366
  1628. 00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:39,877
  1629. Damaged self-esteem
  1630. on the one hand,
  1631.  
  1632. 367
  1633. 00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:44,648
  1634. but also a grandiose sense of
  1635. self-importance on the other.
  1636.  
  1637. 368
  1638. 00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:46,350
  1639. In the killer's head,
  1640.  
  1641. 369
  1642. 00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:49,587
  1643. this murder spree may
  1644. be the ultimate game.
  1645.  
  1646. 370
  1647. 00:24:49,589 --> 00:24:51,155
  1648. Now you're his main opponent.
  1649.  
  1650. 371
  1651. 00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:54,592
  1652. Sun Tzu, the Chinese general
  1653. who wrote "The Art of War",
  1654.  
  1655. 372
  1656. 00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:58,863
  1657. he said, "If you're
  1658. far from your enemy,
  1659.  
  1660. 373
  1661. 00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:01,565
  1662. "make him believe you're near."
  1663.  
  1664. 374
  1665. 00:25:04,437 --> 00:25:06,437
  1666. Just something to keep in mind.
  1667.  
  1668. 375
  1669. 00:25:16,349 --> 00:25:19,583
  1670. As you know, we've
  1671. discovered another body.
  1672.  
  1673. 376
  1674. 00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:22,753
  1675. I won't be taking
  1676. any questions today,
  1677.  
  1678. 377
  1679. 00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:25,022
  1680. I just came to say one thing.
  1681.  
  1682. 378
  1683. 00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:28,192
  1684. I wanna talk directly
  1685. to the killer.
  1686.  
  1687. 379
  1688. 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,799
  1689. I know you're out there,
  1690.  
  1691. 380
  1692. 00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,202
  1693. watching this,
  1694.  
  1695. 381
  1696. 00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:41,572
  1697. I don't need profilers
  1698. and psychiatrists
  1699.  
  1700. 382
  1701. 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:45,676
  1702. to tell me you're a
  1703. sick son of a bitch.
  1704.  
  1705. 383
  1706. 00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:47,311
  1707. You're not even a man,
  1708.  
  1709. 384
  1710. 00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,548
  1711. I doubt you have the
  1712. equipment for it.
  1713.  
  1714. 385
  1715. 00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:52,449
  1716. <i>You're a demented pervert</i>
  1717.  
  1718. 386
  1719. 00:25:52,451 --> 00:25:54,418
  1720. <i>who doesn't deserve to
  1721. breathe the same air</i>
  1722.  
  1723. 387
  1724. 00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:58,222
  1725. <i>as the people you have
  1726. so callously murdered.</i>
  1727.  
  1728. 388
  1729. 00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,959
  1730. You are gutless, pathetic,
  1731.  
  1732. 389
  1733. 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,060
  1734. and when your luck runs out,
  1735.  
  1736. 390
  1737. 00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,396
  1738. and make no mistake, it will,
  1739.  
  1740. 391
  1741. 00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:07,298
  1742. <i>I'll be right there
  1743. to take you down,</i>
  1744.  
  1745. 392
  1746. 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,700
  1747. <i>you got that, you
  1748. piece of?</i>
  1749.  
  1750. 393
  1751. 00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:12,570
  1752. That's a promise from me to you.
  1753.  
  1754. 394
  1755. 00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:15,739
  1756. Thank you.
  1757.  
  1758. 395
  1759. 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:20,544
  1760. Hey, slugger.
  1761.  
  1762. 396
  1763. 00:26:20,546 --> 00:26:21,712
  1764. How was school today?
  1765.  
  1766. 397
  1767. 00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:22,947
  1768. Good.
  1769.  
  1770. 398
  1771. 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,281
  1772. He made you this.
  1773.  
  1774. 399
  1775. 00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,050
  1776. <i> ...Began in</i>
  1777. <i>the summer of 1982,</i>
  1778.  
  1779. 400
  1780. 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,651
  1781. <i>and since then, an
  1782. army of detectives</i>
  1783.  
  1784. 401
  1785. 00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,853
  1786. <i>and a multimillion-dollar
  1787. computer system</i>
  1788.  
  1789. 402
  1790. 00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:31,922
  1791. <i>have been unable to
  1792. track the killer.</i>
  1793.  
  1794. 403
  1795. 00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:32,823
  1796. Thank you.
  1797.  
  1798. 404
  1799. 00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:34,558
  1800. <i>It is a familiar routine,</i>
  1801.  
  1802. 405
  1803. 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,393
  1804. <i>for the Green River Task
  1805. Force sifting through</i>
  1806.  
  1807. 406
  1808. 00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:37,995
  1809. <i>any remaining
  1810. evidence on the site</i>
  1811.  
  1812. 407
  1813. 00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:41,865
  1814. <i>where someone had stumbled
  1815. across human remains.</i>
  1816.  
  1817. 408
  1818. 00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:02,853
  1819. Your office forwarded this.
  1820.  
  1821. 409
  1822. 00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:06,924
  1823. You haven't been demoted
  1824. to mailman already,
  1825.  
  1826. 410
  1827. 00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:07,891
  1828. have you, Tom?
  1829.  
  1830. 411
  1831. 00:27:07,893 --> 00:27:09,593
  1832. If we don't
  1833. catch this prick soon,
  1834.  
  1835. 412
  1836. 00:27:09,595 --> 00:27:10,995
  1837. maybe I will be.
  1838.  
  1839. 413
  1840. 00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:26,510
  1841. Oh my god.
  1842.  
  1843. 414
  1844. 00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:31,215
  1845. <i> Dearest Bob.</i>
  1846.  
  1847. 415
  1848. 00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,984
  1849. <i>It has been the better
  1850. part of two years</i>
  1851.  
  1852. 416
  1853. 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,552
  1854. <i>since we've corresponded,</i>
  1855.  
  1856. 417
  1857. 00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:38,622
  1858. <i>and I must admit,
  1859. I've missed it.</i>
  1860.  
  1861. 418
  1862. 00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:40,190
  1863. <i>I've followed,
  1864. with great interest,</i>
  1865.  
  1866. 419
  1867. 00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:43,727
  1868. <i>the case of "The Riverman",
  1869. and see from the news reports</i>
  1870.  
  1871. 420
  1872. 00:27:43,729 --> 00:27:47,364
  1873. <i>that you are advising
  1874. the task force.</i>
  1875.  
  1876. 421
  1877. 00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:49,400
  1878. <i>I recently saw a press
  1879. conference</i>
  1880.  
  1881. 422
  1882. 00:27:49,402 --> 00:27:51,135
  1883. <i>with Detective Richards.</i>
  1884.  
  1885. 423
  1886. 00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:54,271
  1887. <i>Not the usual police
  1888. officer, is he?</i>
  1889.  
  1890. 424
  1891. 00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:57,775
  1892. <i>He seems to be taking
  1893. it quite personally.</i>
  1894.  
  1895. 425
  1896. 00:27:58,077 --> 00:27:59,176
  1897. <i>As you know,</i>
  1898.  
  1899. 426
  1900. 00:27:59,178 --> 00:28:04,348
  1901. <i>I have some experience in The
  1902. Riverman's field of expertise.</i>
  1903.  
  1904. 427
  1905. 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,884
  1906. <i>I believe I can help you.</i>
  1907.  
  1908. 428
  1909. 00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,585
  1910. <i>If you have the
  1911. time to visit me,</i>
  1912.  
  1913. 429
  1914. 00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:12,389
  1915. <i>along with Detective
  1916. Richards, please do.</i>
  1917.  
  1918. 430
  1919. 00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:15,325
  1920. <i>Time for me is running out,</i>
  1921.  
  1922. 431
  1923. 00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:18,996
  1924. <i>I would like to make
  1925. use of what remains.</i>
  1926.  
  1927. 432
  1928. 00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:24,601
  1929. <i>Kind regards, your old
  1930. friend, Theodore Bundy.</i>
  1931.  
  1932. 433
  1933. 00:28:26,906 --> 00:28:29,373
  1934. David, your thoughts?
  1935.  
  1936. 434
  1937. 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:32,242
  1938. Well, the key question is,
  1939.  
  1940. 435
  1941. 00:28:32,244 --> 00:28:34,845
  1942. could he actually help
  1943. the investigation,
  1944.  
  1945. 436
  1946. 00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:38,549
  1947. or would he be leading
  1948. us on some circle jerk
  1949.  
  1950. 437
  1951. 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:40,417
  1952. for his own amusement?
  1953.  
  1954. 438
  1955. 00:28:40,753 --> 00:28:43,387
  1956. He has an agenda,
  1957. he always does.
  1958.  
  1959. 439
  1960. 00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:46,156
  1961. What's his agenda
  1962. here? To buy time?
  1963.  
  1964. 440
  1965. 00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:47,257
  1966. Yeah, I'd say so.
  1967.  
  1968. 441
  1969. 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:50,961
  1970. Like he says in his letter,
  1971. time is running out for him.
  1972.  
  1973. 442
  1974. 00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:52,563
  1975. He'll do everything he can
  1976.  
  1977. 443
  1978. 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,264
  1979. to court favor with
  1980. the authorities
  1981.  
  1982. 444
  1983. 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:56,800
  1984. and get a reprieve
  1985. from execution.
  1986.  
  1987. 445
  1988. 00:28:58,204 --> 00:29:02,673
  1989. What's it like coming face to
  1990. face with someone like that?
  1991.  
  1992. 446
  1993. 00:29:02,675 --> 00:29:05,843
  1994. Maybe you need to
  1995. find out for yourself.
  1996.  
  1997. 447
  1998. 00:29:05,845 --> 00:29:06,844
  1999. At some point,
  2000.  
  2001. 448
  2002. 00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,012
  2003. you're gonna be face to face
  2004. with the Green River Killer.
  2005.  
  2006. 449
  2007. 00:29:09,014 --> 00:29:10,948
  2008. After you meet Ted Bundy,
  2009.  
  2010. 450
  2011. 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:14,017
  2012. evil will no longer
  2013. be a mystery to you.
  2014.  
  2015. 451
  2016. 00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:23,894
  2017. What?
  2018.  
  2019. 452
  2020. 00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:27,131
  2021. Two days talking to
  2022. a madman in Florida?
  2023.  
  2024. 453
  2025. 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,967
  2026. Don't you have enough
  2027. to deal with right now?
  2028.  
  2029. 454
  2030. 00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:32,336
  2031. It might be a complete
  2032. waste of time,
  2033.  
  2034. 455
  2035. 00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:36,673
  2036. or it could help with the
  2037. investigation, who knows,
  2038.  
  2039. 456
  2040. 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,910
  2041. but we have no suspects yet,
  2042.  
  2043. 457
  2044. 00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,613
  2045. I have to try everything I can.
  2046.  
  2047. 458
  2048. 00:29:45,251 --> 00:29:48,051
  2049. I just worry about
  2050. you, that's all.
  2051.  
  2052. 459
  2053. 00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:50,320
  2054. It'll be fine.
  2055.  
  2056. 460
  2057. 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:52,689
  2058. Come here.
  2059.  
  2060. 461
  2061. 00:30:06,071 --> 00:30:07,871
  2062. Where are you going?
  2063.  
  2064. 462
  2065. 00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:09,506
  2066. I've got a few errands to run.
  2067.  
  2068. 463
  2069. 00:30:09,508 --> 00:30:13,143
  2070. Well, you know you're
  2071. looking after Adam tonight.
  2072.  
  2073. 464
  2074. 00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,846
  2075. How come?
  2076.  
  2077. 465
  2078. 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:22,986
  2079. I've got a dinner with
  2080. Amy and the girls.
  2081.  
  2082. 466
  2083. 00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:28,859
  2084. It's her birthday, I told
  2085. you about this weeks ago.
  2086.  
  2087. 467
  2088. 00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:34,364
  2089. What's the matter?
  2090.  
  2091. 468
  2092. 00:30:37,102 --> 00:30:39,236
  2093. What's the matter?
  2094.  
  2095. 469
  2096. 00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,341
  2097. I've got something
  2098. important to do.
  2099.  
  2100. 470
  2101. 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,376
  2102. It's been playing
  2103. on my mind all week,
  2104.  
  2105. 471
  2106. 00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:49,446
  2107. I need to take
  2108. care of it tonight.
  2109.  
  2110. 472
  2111. 00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:53,283
  2112. Come on, Gary, I
  2113. had my plans first.
  2114.  
  2115. 473
  2116. 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,351
  2117. If you have to leave the house,
  2118.  
  2119. 474
  2120. 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,687
  2121. can't you take Adam with you?
  2122.  
  2123. 475
  2124. 00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:10,067
  2125. I guess so.
  2126.  
  2127. 476
  2128. 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:12,369
  2129. Thank you.
  2130.  
  2131. 477
  2132. 00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,773
  2133. I'll be home around 11.
  2134.  
  2135. 478
  2136. 00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:19,142
  2137. Alright.
  2138.  
  2139. 479
  2140. 00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:58,849
  2141. Dad, where are we going?
  2142.  
  2143. 480
  2144. 00:31:58,851 --> 00:32:03,453
  2145. I gotta pick up a friend of
  2146. mine, drop her off somewhere.
  2147.  
  2148. 481
  2149. 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,556
  2150. Hello, Bob.
  2151.  
  2152. 482
  2153. 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:41,992
  2154. Ted.
  2155.  
  2156. 483
  2157. 00:32:57,242 --> 00:32:58,842
  2158. Long time no see.
  2159.  
  2160. 484
  2161. 00:33:00,045 --> 00:33:01,678
  2162. It's been a while.
  2163.  
  2164. 485
  2165. 00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:06,717
  2166. And this must be the
  2167. famous Detective Richards.
  2168.  
  2169. 486
  2170. 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:22,866
  2171. As always, Ted, we'll
  2172. be recording this.
  2173.  
  2174. 487
  2175. 00:33:23,569 --> 00:33:24,935
  2176. Of course.
  2177.  
  2178. 488
  2179. 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:33,877
  2180. It's the 2nd of September,
  2181. approximately 9:30 p.m.,
  2182.  
  2183. 489
  2184. 00:33:33,879 --> 00:33:35,912
  2185. at Florida State Prison.
  2186.  
  2187. 490
  2188. 00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:38,749
  2189. This is a tape-recorded
  2190. interview with Bob Keller,
  2191.  
  2192. 491
  2193. 00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:41,451
  2194. David Richards, and Ted Bundy.
  2195.  
  2196. 492
  2197. 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:45,789
  2198. So, Ted, would
  2199. you like to begin?
  2200.  
  2201. 493
  2202. 00:33:46,091 --> 00:33:47,758
  2203. Well, this is just
  2204.  
  2205. 494
  2206. 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,029
  2207. sort of a spontaneous
  2208. dialogue we're having here.
  2209.  
  2210. 495
  2211. 00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:55,999
  2212. I'm not approaching it
  2213. in any organized fashion.
  2214.  
  2215. 496
  2216. 00:33:56,168 --> 00:34:00,003
  2217. I don't even know if I can
  2218. be of any real assistance.
  2219.  
  2220. 497
  2221. 00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:01,972
  2222. You're the detectives after all.
  2223.  
  2224. 498
  2225. 00:34:01,974 --> 00:34:05,242
  2226. We'd value any
  2227. insights you may have.
  2228.  
  2229. 499
  2230. 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,645
  2231. Well, did you bring a
  2232. copy of the case file?
  2233.  
  2234. 500
  2235. 00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:12,449
  2236. Um, I'm not sure it would
  2237. be ethical to give you--
  2238.  
  2239. 501
  2240. 00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:13,984
  2241. It's fine.
  2242.  
  2243. 502
  2244. 00:34:45,317 --> 00:34:48,952
  2245. The Riverman enjoys easy prey.
  2246.  
  2247. 503
  2248. 00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:50,554
  2249. The victims?
  2250.  
  2251. 504
  2252. 00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:51,354
  2253. Yes.
  2254.  
  2255. 505
  2256. 00:34:51,356 --> 00:34:54,224
  2257. Prostitutes are low risk.
  2258.  
  2259. 506
  2260. 00:34:54,226 --> 00:34:55,826
  2261. Not many people would miss them.
  2262.  
  2263. 507
  2264. 00:34:55,828 --> 00:34:59,496
  2265. Who would you consider
  2266. to be high-risk prey?
  2267.  
  2268. 508
  2269. 00:34:59,932 --> 00:35:02,265
  2270. Well, people who
  2271. work normal jobs,
  2272.  
  2273. 509
  2274. 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:05,335
  2275. have families, social circles,
  2276.  
  2277. 510
  2278. 00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:07,537
  2279. people who are noticed.
  2280.  
  2281. 511
  2282. 00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:09,973
  2283. You know,
  2284.  
  2285. 512
  2286. 00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:11,942
  2287. with all the slasher movies
  2288. being made at the moment,
  2289.  
  2290. 513
  2291. 00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:15,612
  2292. you should stake out the car
  2293. parks of the movie theaters.
  2294.  
  2295. 514
  2296. 00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:19,382
  2297. I am sure you'd find many
  2298. serial killers of the future,
  2299.  
  2300. 515
  2301. 00:35:19,384 --> 00:35:23,487
  2302. people who go to those films
  2303. to fuel their fantasies.
  2304.  
  2305. 516
  2306. 00:35:23,722 --> 00:35:26,723
  2307. When I was a kid, I just
  2308. had the detective magazines.
  2309.  
  2310. 517
  2311. 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,024
  2312. I don't think staking out
  2313.  
  2314. 518
  2315. 00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:30,594
  2316. thousands of movie
  2317. theaters is practical,
  2318.  
  2319. 519
  2320. 00:35:30,596 --> 00:35:32,195
  2321. given the limited
  2322. numbers of police
  2323.  
  2324. 520
  2325. 00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,364
  2326. we can assign to the case.
  2327.  
  2328. 521
  2329. 00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:35,565
  2330. Perhaps not.
  2331.  
  2332. 522
  2333. 00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:38,168
  2334. But you could stake
  2335. out his old dump sites.
  2336.  
  2337. 523
  2338. 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,837
  2339. You mean where he
  2340. left the bodies?
  2341.  
  2342. 524
  2343. 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,005
  2344. Yes.
  2345.  
  2346. 525
  2347. 00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:43,306
  2348. He'll return to them.
  2349.  
  2350. 526
  2351. 00:35:43,308 --> 00:35:46,042
  2352. He's going back to
  2353. check out the scene
  2354.  
  2355. 527
  2356. 00:35:46,044 --> 00:35:48,078
  2357. and see the
  2358. condition of the body
  2359.  
  2360. 528
  2361. 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,446
  2362. after it's been
  2363. there for a while,
  2364.  
  2365. 529
  2366. 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:54,784
  2367. for, uh, well, whatever kick
  2368. he might get out of that.
  2369.  
  2370. 530
  2371. 00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:56,153
  2372. Necrophilia?
  2373.  
  2374. 531
  2375. 00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:57,888
  2376. Look, what he's
  2377. doing is not normal,
  2378.  
  2379. 532
  2380. 00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:01,024
  2381. so you can't apply
  2382. normal standards to it.
  2383.  
  2384. 533
  2385. 00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:04,895
  2386. He might just drive by, see if
  2387. the scene is being disturbed,
  2388.  
  2389. 534
  2390. 00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:07,597
  2391. if the body has been discovered.
  2392.  
  2393. 535
  2394. 00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,166
  2395. Well, if it hasn't,
  2396.  
  2397. 536
  2398. 00:36:09,168 --> 00:36:12,335
  2399. well, he might wanna
  2400. take it all in again.
  2401.  
  2402. 537
  2403. 00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:20,544
  2404. Would he go back to a site
  2405. after we've discovered it?
  2406.  
  2407. 538
  2408. 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:21,478
  2409. Oh, no.
  2410.  
  2411. 539
  2412. 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,347
  2413. At that point, he wouldn't
  2414. touch it with a 10-mile pole.
  2415.  
  2416. 540
  2417. 00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:28,018
  2418. Why do you think
  2419. guys like him kill?
  2420.  
  2421. 541
  2422. 00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:33,089
  2423. Well, there's a certain
  2424. aspect of possessiveness
  2425.  
  2426. 542
  2427. 00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:34,891
  2428. in serial killing.
  2429.  
  2430. 543
  2431. 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
  2432. I think that's one
  2433. way of describing it,
  2434.  
  2435. 544
  2436. 00:36:36,962 --> 00:36:38,195
  2437. well, in rather bland terms,
  2438.  
  2439. 545
  2440. 00:36:38,197 --> 00:36:40,931
  2441. but a possessiveness
  2442. where the corpse
  2443.  
  2444. 546
  2445. 00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:44,834
  2446. might easily be as important
  2447. as the live victim,
  2448.  
  2449. 547
  2450. 00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:47,137
  2451. in some respects.
  2452.  
  2453. 548
  2454. 00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:49,639
  2455. What I mean is,
  2456. a possessiveness,
  2457.  
  2458. 549
  2459. 00:36:49,641 --> 00:36:53,176
  2460. an ownership, a
  2461. taking, if you will,
  2462.  
  2463. 550
  2464. 00:36:53,178 --> 00:36:55,745
  2465. and that's part of the syndrome.
  2466.  
  2467. 551
  2468. 00:36:55,747 --> 00:36:57,447
  2469. And I think that's one
  2470. of the reasons why,
  2471.  
  2472. 552
  2473. 00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,749
  2474. in some cases, not
  2475. all, certainly,
  2476.  
  2477. 553
  2478. 00:36:59,751 --> 00:37:03,486
  2479. but he might be intending
  2480. to return to the scene,
  2481.  
  2482. 554
  2483. 00:37:03,488 --> 00:37:06,723
  2484. interact with the
  2485. body in some way.
  2486.  
  2487. 555
  2488. 00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:11,027
  2489. According to the time of death,
  2490.  
  2491. 556
  2492. 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:14,130
  2493. all these murders
  2494. happened on a weekday.
  2495.  
  2496. 557
  2497. 00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:15,198
  2498. What does that tell you?
  2499.  
  2500. 558
  2501. 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,968
  2502. Well, he obviously prefers
  2503. to troll on a weekday.
  2504.  
  2505. 559
  2506. 00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:21,071
  2507. He might have other
  2508. commitments of the weekend,
  2509.  
  2510. 560
  2511. 00:37:21,073 --> 00:37:23,406
  2512. people he's close to, perhaps.
  2513.  
  2514. 561
  2515. 00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:24,874
  2516. You think he has family?
  2517.  
  2518. 562
  2519. 00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,443
  2520. Oh, possibly.
  2521.  
  2522. 563
  2523. 00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:30,747
  2524. What'd you mean by "troll"?
  2525.  
  2526. 564
  2527. 00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,750
  2528. Well, it's what he does.
  2529.  
  2530. 565
  2531. 00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,285
  2532. Watching,
  2533.  
  2534. 566
  2535. 00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:36,786
  2536. waiting,
  2537.  
  2538. 567
  2539. 00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:38,655
  2540. selecting.
  2541.  
  2542. 568
  2543. 00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:41,358
  2544. He knows his hunting ground.
  2545.  
  2546. 569
  2547. 00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:42,792
  2548. Hey, Julie.
  2549.  
  2550. 570
  2551. 00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:44,394
  2552. Hey.
  2553.  
  2554. 571
  2555. 00:37:44,396 --> 00:37:45,328
  2556. This is my son.
  2557.  
  2558. 572
  2559. 00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:48,198
  2560. You remember, I showed you
  2561. a picture of him before.
  2562.  
  2563. 573
  2564. 00:37:49,001 --> 00:37:51,201
  2565. Oh, sure, yeah.
  2566.  
  2567. 574
  2568. 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,337
  2569. So, what's the deal here?
  2570.  
  2571. 575
  2572. 00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:56,172
  2573. You want the kid to watch?
  2574.  
  2575. 576
  2576. 00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:57,907
  2577. 'Cause I'm in to that.
  2578.  
  2579. 577
  2580. 00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:58,842
  2581. No.
  2582.  
  2583. 578
  2584. 00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,977
  2585. I didn't plan on
  2586. bringing him along,
  2587.  
  2588. 579
  2589. 00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:03,346
  2590. but his mother had to go out.
  2591.  
  2592. 580
  2593. 00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:05,815
  2594. I figured we'd go to the woods
  2595.  
  2596. 581
  2597. 00:38:05,817 --> 00:38:07,751
  2598. and he could wait in the car.
  2599.  
  2600. 582
  2601. 00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:09,152
  2602. I'll be quick.
  2603.  
  2604. 583
  2605. 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:11,888
  2606. Sure, I remember.
  2607.  
  2608. 584
  2609. 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:14,824
  2610. Get in.
  2611.  
  2612. 585
  2613. 00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:17,093
  2614. He targets his prey.
  2615.  
  2616. 586
  2617. 00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:20,263
  2618. He plans what he wants
  2619. to do in his mind,
  2620.  
  2621. 587
  2622. 00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:22,966
  2623. down to the smallest detail.
  2624.  
  2625. 588
  2626. 00:38:23,101 --> 00:38:24,234
  2627. By the time he closes in,
  2628.  
  2629. 589
  2630. 00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:27,537
  2631. it's almost like it's
  2632. already happened.
  2633.  
  2634. 590
  2635. 00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,851
  2636. Okay,
  2637.  
  2638. 591
  2639. 00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:44,521
  2640. this is far enough.
  2641.  
  2642. 592
  2643. 00:38:46,258 --> 00:38:47,857
  2644. You got the money?
  2645.  
  2646. 593
  2647. 00:38:57,035 --> 00:39:00,337
  2648. So, how do you wanna do this?
  2649.  
  2650. 594
  2651. 00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:05,241
  2652. That tree over
  2653. there, bend over it.
  2654.  
  2655. 595
  2656. 00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:19,989
  2657. <i> He's played it out in</i>
  2658. <i>his mind so many times.</i>
  2659.  
  2660. 596
  2661. 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,658
  2662. <i>But when the time is right,</i>
  2663.  
  2664. 597
  2665. 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,326
  2666. <i>and he swoops on his chosen one,</i>
  2667.  
  2668. 598
  2669. 00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:27,464
  2670. <i>well, then it's like
  2671. the spider and the fly.</i>
  2672.  
  2673. 599
  2674. 00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,734
  2675. <i>Fantasy finally becomes reality.</i>
  2676.  
  2677. 600
  2678. 00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:32,902
  2679. <i>And speaking of fantasy,</i>
  2680.  
  2681. 601
  2682. 00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:35,004
  2683. <i>well, that's what normality is.</i>
  2684.  
  2685. 602
  2686. 00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:37,273
  2687. <i>What's normal for the spider,</i>
  2688.  
  2689. 603
  2690. 00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:41,277
  2691. <i>well, it can seem
  2692. like chaos to the fly.</i>
  2693.  
  2694. 604
  2695. 00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:51,214
  2696. Did she get home okay?
  2697.  
  2698. 605
  2699. 00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:54,417
  2700. Yeah.
  2701.  
  2702. 606
  2703. 00:41:03,662 --> 00:41:06,029
  2704. Can you go there, Detective?
  2705.  
  2706. 607
  2707. 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:09,032
  2708. Where?
  2709.  
  2710. 608
  2711. 00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:13,503
  2712. Inside his mind,
  2713. think like he thinks.
  2714.  
  2715. 609
  2716. 00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:15,538
  2717. I'm not sure I can.
  2718.  
  2719. 610
  2720. 00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:17,640
  2721. Oh, you can.
  2722.  
  2723. 611
  2724. 00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:22,912
  2725. We all have that coldblooded,
  2726. primal instinct within us.
  2727.  
  2728. 612
  2729. 00:41:23,048 --> 00:41:26,349
  2730. Whether you wanna
  2731. touch upon your own is...
  2732.  
  2733. 613
  2734. 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,918
  2735. well, that's another story.
  2736.  
  2737. 614
  2738. 00:42:59,044 --> 00:42:59,909
  2739. Hello?
  2740.  
  2741. 615
  2742. 00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:01,945
  2743. <i> Dave, it's Tom.</i>
  2744.  
  2745. 616
  2746. 00:43:01,947 --> 00:43:02,979
  2747. What is it?
  2748.  
  2749. 617
  2750. 00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:04,681
  2751. <i>We've found another body.</i>
  2752.  
  2753. 618
  2754. 00:43:05,584 --> 00:43:06,783
  2755. Shit.
  2756.  
  2757. 619
  2758. 00:43:06,985 --> 00:43:09,552
  2759. I thought we had our guys
  2760. staking out the Green River?
  2761.  
  2762. 620
  2763. 00:43:09,554 --> 00:43:10,920
  2764. <i> We didn't find it there,</i>
  2765.  
  2766. 621
  2767. 00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:14,123
  2768. <i>this one was found in a
  2769. woodland near Long Avenue.</i>
  2770.  
  2771. 622
  2772. 00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:16,526
  2773. <i>Definitely him though, same M.O.</i>
  2774.  
  2775. 623
  2776. 00:43:16,528 --> 00:43:18,661
  2777. You tell the press yet?
  2778.  
  2779. 624
  2780. 00:43:18,663 --> 00:43:19,596
  2781. <i>No.</i>
  2782.  
  2783. 625
  2784. 00:43:19,598 --> 00:43:21,264
  2785. <i>I've only just ordered the
  2786. forensics team down there.</i>
  2787.  
  2788. 626
  2789. 00:43:21,266 --> 00:43:22,231
  2790. Call it off.
  2791.  
  2792. 627
  2793. 00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,534
  2794. <i>- What do you mean?</i>
  2795. - Tell the team to back off,
  2796.  
  2797. 628
  2798. 00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:27,170
  2799. leave the site just
  2800. as it was found.
  2801.  
  2802. 629
  2803. 00:43:27,172 --> 00:43:28,605
  2804. Don't tell the press,
  2805.  
  2806. 630
  2807. 00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:30,773
  2808. don't tell anyone
  2809. in the department
  2810.  
  2811. 631
  2812. 00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:31,908
  2813. who doesn't already know.
  2814.  
  2815. 632
  2816. 00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:35,545
  2817. Leave the body exactly
  2818. where it was found, Tom.
  2819.  
  2820. 633
  2821. 00:43:35,814 --> 00:43:37,146
  2822. <i>Why?</i>
  2823.  
  2824. 634
  2825. 00:43:37,148 --> 00:43:38,781
  2826. Bundy said the
  2827. killer will return
  2828.  
  2829. 635
  2830. 00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,017
  2831. to where he dumped the bodies.
  2832.  
  2833. 636
  2834. 00:43:41,019 --> 00:43:42,185
  2835. If you leave this body there
  2836.  
  2837. 637
  2838. 00:43:42,187 --> 00:43:43,820
  2839. and he doesn't see
  2840. anything on the news,
  2841.  
  2842. 638
  2843. 00:43:43,822 --> 00:43:46,322
  2844. he might think it's not
  2845. been discovered yet.
  2846.  
  2847. 639
  2848. 00:43:46,324 --> 00:43:48,658
  2849. Then he'll go back.
  2850.  
  2851. 640
  2852. 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:51,094
  2853. That's when we'll be
  2854. staking out those woods.
  2855.  
  2856. 641
  2857. 00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:53,696
  2858. <i>Okay, I'll go
  2859. myself with Kavanagh.</i>
  2860.  
  2861. 642
  2862. 00:43:53,698 --> 00:43:55,465
  2863. No, no, I'll go with you,
  2864.  
  2865. 643
  2866. 00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,667
  2867. I'm heading to the
  2868. airport right now.
  2869.  
  2870. 644
  2871. 00:43:57,669 --> 00:44:00,670
  2872. I'll be back in a
  2873. few hours, yeah?
  2874.  
  2875. 645
  2876. 00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:01,804
  2877. <i>Got it.</i>
  2878.  
  2879. 646
  2880. 00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:03,006
  2881. Bye.
  2882.  
  2883. 647
  2884. 00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:25,395
  2885. Flying solo today, Bob?
  2886.  
  2887. 648
  2888. 00:44:25,397 --> 00:44:29,732
  2889. Detective Richards had to
  2890. travel back to the Green River.
  2891.  
  2892. 649
  2893. 00:44:29,734 --> 00:44:32,435
  2894. Have they found another body?
  2895.  
  2896. 650
  2897. 00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:42,111
  2898. Well, I hope the information
  2899. I gave yesterday was helpful.
  2900.  
  2901. 651
  2902. 00:44:42,113 --> 00:44:43,079
  2903. It was.
  2904.  
  2905. 652
  2906. 00:44:43,081 --> 00:44:45,415
  2907. And since you're
  2908. in a helpful mood,
  2909.  
  2910. 653
  2911. 00:44:45,417 --> 00:44:49,185
  2912. I thought today we could
  2913. discuss a different subject.
  2914.  
  2915. 654
  2916. 00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:50,953
  2917. What's that?
  2918.  
  2919. 655
  2920. 00:44:50,955 --> 00:44:52,588
  2921. You know, Ted,
  2922.  
  2923. 656
  2924. 00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,558
  2925. there are still five cases
  2926. we're concerned about,
  2927.  
  2928. 657
  2929. 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,629
  2930. missing girls,
  2931. Washington and Utah.
  2932.  
  2933. 658
  2934. 00:45:00,932 --> 00:45:02,298
  2935. Okay.
  2936.  
  2937. 659
  2938. 00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,469
  2939. Well, maybe we can
  2940. talk about that.
  2941.  
  2942. 660
  2943. 00:45:06,938 --> 00:45:08,638
  2944. I guess it depends.
  2945.  
  2946. 661
  2947. 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,405
  2948. On what?
  2949.  
  2950. 662
  2951. 00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:12,375
  2952. Did you speak to the
  2953. attorney general?
  2954.  
  2955. 663
  2956. 00:45:12,811 --> 00:45:14,210
  2957. I spoke to him last night.
  2958.  
  2959. 664
  2960. 00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:17,914
  2961. I told him you'd been
  2962. receptive to our questioning.
  2963.  
  2964. 665
  2965. 00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,549
  2966. But truth be told, Ted,
  2967.  
  2968. 666
  2969. 00:45:19,551 --> 00:45:21,951
  2970. he knows there are a lot
  2971. of families out there
  2972.  
  2973. 667
  2974. 00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:23,886
  2975. that need closure.
  2976.  
  2977. 668
  2978. 00:45:23,955 --> 00:45:26,322
  2979. But before we get down to that,
  2980.  
  2981. 669
  2982. 00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:29,659
  2983. has the attorney general
  2984. discussed in firm terms
  2985.  
  2986. 670
  2987. 00:45:29,661 --> 00:45:35,164
  2988. what the outcome of these
  2989. conversations could be for me?
  2990.  
  2991. 671
  2992. 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,334
  2993. He said any information
  2994. you can provide
  2995.  
  2996. 672
  2997. 00:45:38,336 --> 00:45:40,503
  2998. which can give the
  2999. families closure
  3000.  
  3001. 673
  3002. 00:45:40,505 --> 00:45:43,139
  3003. will be given the
  3004. greatest consideration
  3005.  
  3006. 674
  3007. 00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:44,340
  3008. when discussions take place
  3009.  
  3010. 675
  3011. 00:45:44,342 --> 00:45:47,744
  3012. about the implementation
  3013. of the death penalty.
  3014.  
  3015. 676
  3016. 00:45:48,313 --> 00:45:50,179
  3017. Okay.
  3018.  
  3019. 677
  3020. 00:45:50,181 --> 00:45:51,447
  3021. Good.
  3022.  
  3023. 678
  3024. 00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:54,650
  3025. Well, I'm sure you know, Bob,
  3026.  
  3027. 679
  3028. 00:45:54,652 --> 00:45:57,754
  3029. it all began in
  3030. Washington state.
  3031.  
  3032. 680
  3033. 00:45:58,156 --> 00:45:59,288
  3034. That's where I was living,
  3035.  
  3036. 681
  3037. 00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,492
  3038. where I grew up as a
  3039. kid and a young man,
  3040.  
  3041. 682
  3042. 00:46:02,494 --> 00:46:04,260
  3043. where those kinds of impulses
  3044.  
  3045. 683
  3046. 00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:09,398
  3047. which ultimately led to the
  3048. violent behavior were born.
  3049.  
  3050. 684
  3051. 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,600
  3052. Yeah.
  3053.  
  3054. 685
  3055. 00:46:12,036 --> 00:46:15,304
  3056. This is where I'm
  3057. a little, um...
  3058.  
  3059. 686
  3060. 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,307
  3061. The presence of the
  3062. officer down here,
  3063.  
  3064. 687
  3065. 00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:21,344
  3066. well, it's a little unnerving.
  3067.  
  3068. 688
  3069. 00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:24,514
  3070. Some of this stuff I don't
  3071. mind talking about because,
  3072.  
  3073. 689
  3074. 00:46:24,516 --> 00:46:27,683
  3075. well, he wouldn't know
  3076. it from Adam, but,
  3077.  
  3078. 690
  3079. 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,219
  3080. well, I can write it down,
  3081.  
  3082. 691
  3083. 00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:33,823
  3084. or whisper it to you, whatever.
  3085.  
  3086. 692
  3087. 00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:37,560
  3088. Okay.
  3089.  
  3090. 693
  3091. 00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,380
  3092. Can you hear that?
  3093.  
  3094. 694
  3095. 00:46:59,184 --> 00:47:00,783
  3096. Yeah, I can hear it.
  3097.  
  3098. 695
  3099. 00:47:00,919 --> 00:47:06,022
  3100. I just wrote down the
  3101. name Joanne Dawkins.
  3102.  
  3103. 696
  3104. 00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:08,424
  3105. So...
  3106.  
  3107. 697
  3108. 00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,262
  3109. the Dawkins girl's
  3110. head was severed
  3111.  
  3112. 698
  3113. 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:19,035
  3114. and taken up the road
  3115. about 25-50 yards
  3116.  
  3117. 699
  3118. 00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:21,804
  3119. and then buried in a location
  3120.  
  3121. 700
  3122. 00:47:21,806 --> 00:47:24,740
  3123. about 10 yards west of the road
  3124.  
  3125. 701
  3126. 00:47:24,742 --> 00:47:29,011
  3127. on a rocky hillside
  3128. in Washington.
  3129.  
  3130. 702
  3131. 00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:34,350
  3132. Did you hear that?
  3133.  
  3134. 703
  3135. 00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:36,285
  3136. Yeah.
  3137.  
  3138. 704
  3139. 00:47:39,023 --> 00:47:42,992
  3140. Lord knows what the little
  3141. creatures up there did to it,
  3142.  
  3143. 705
  3144. 00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:45,895
  3145. what those animals
  3146. would have done.
  3147.  
  3148. 706
  3149. 00:47:45,964 --> 00:47:48,531
  3150. Well, I can draw you a map
  3151. to where you can find it,
  3152.  
  3153. 707
  3154. 00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:49,398
  3155. if you like.
  3156.  
  3157. 708
  3158. 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,001
  3159. Thank you, that
  3160. would be helpful.
  3161.  
  3162. 709
  3163. 00:47:52,003 --> 00:47:55,872
  3164. But first, how did
  3165. you encounter her?
  3166.  
  3167. 710
  3168. 00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:59,408
  3169. Oh, I was making my
  3170. way up an alleyway,
  3171.  
  3172. 711
  3173. 00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,246
  3174. with my briefcase,
  3175. using crutches,
  3176.  
  3177. 712
  3178. 00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:06,749
  3179. and a young woman
  3180. was walking down.
  3181.  
  3182. 713
  3183. 00:48:07,085 --> 00:48:10,253
  3184. I saw her walk around the
  3185. north end of the block
  3186.  
  3187. 714
  3188. 00:48:10,255 --> 00:48:12,421
  3189. and into the alleyway.
  3190.  
  3191. 715
  3192. 00:48:12,891 --> 00:48:13,923
  3193. She stopped for a moment
  3194.  
  3195. 716
  3196. 00:48:13,925 --> 00:48:17,493
  3197. and then kept on
  3198. walking down toward me.
  3199.  
  3200. 717
  3201. 00:48:17,929 --> 00:48:18,961
  3202. About halfway,
  3203.  
  3204. 718
  3205. 00:48:18,963 --> 00:48:20,763
  3206. I encountered her
  3207.  
  3208. 719
  3209. 00:48:20,832 --> 00:48:23,933
  3210. and asked if she'd help
  3211. carry my briefcase,
  3212.  
  3213. 720
  3214. 00:48:23,935 --> 00:48:25,401
  3215. which she did,
  3216.  
  3217. 721
  3218. 00:48:25,403 --> 00:48:29,071
  3219. and we went back
  3220. up the alleyway.
  3221.  
  3222. 722
  3223. 00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:31,540
  3224. Across the street,
  3225. we turned right,
  3226.  
  3227. 723
  3228. 00:48:31,542 --> 00:48:36,579
  3229. on the sidewalk outside the
  3230. old fraternity house there.
  3231.  
  3232. 724
  3233. 00:48:36,581 --> 00:48:38,481
  3234. We rounded the
  3235. corner on the left
  3236.  
  3237. 725
  3238. 00:48:38,483 --> 00:48:41,050
  3239. and headed north on 47.
  3240.  
  3241. 726
  3242. 00:48:41,052 --> 00:48:42,418
  3243. About halfway up the block,
  3244.  
  3245. 727
  3246. 00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,420
  3247. there used to be
  3248. this old parking lot,
  3249.  
  3250. 728
  3251. 00:48:44,422 --> 00:48:49,125
  3252. which they'd made out of the
  3253. burned-out buildings there.
  3254.  
  3255. 729
  3256. 00:48:49,627 --> 00:48:52,094
  3257. So what happened when
  3258. you rounded the corner?
  3259.  
  3260. 730
  3261. 00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,463
  3262. Oh, we went into
  3263. the parking lot.
  3264.  
  3265. 731
  3266. 00:48:54,465 --> 00:48:55,598
  3267. When we reached my car,
  3268.  
  3269. 732
  3270. 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,801
  3271. I knocked her unconscious
  3272. with a crowbar.
  3273.  
  3274. 733
  3275. 00:48:58,803 --> 00:49:00,336
  3276. Where'd you have that stashed?
  3277.  
  3278. 734
  3279. 00:49:00,338 --> 00:49:03,806
  3280. Hidden behind the
  3281. rear wheel of the car.
  3282.  
  3283. 735
  3284. 00:49:04,342 --> 00:49:05,474
  3285. Did she see it?
  3286.  
  3287. 736
  3288. 00:49:05,476 --> 00:49:06,442
  3289. No.
  3290.  
  3291. 737
  3292. 00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:10,513
  3293. There were some handcuffs
  3294. along with the crowbar.
  3295.  
  3296. 738
  3297. 00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:15,051
  3298. I handcuffed her, put her in
  3299. the passenger side of the car,
  3300.  
  3301. 739
  3302. 00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,153
  3303. and drove away.
  3304.  
  3305. 740
  3306. 00:49:40,378 --> 00:49:41,844
  3307. Dave.
  3308.  
  3309. 741
  3310. 00:49:43,281 --> 00:49:44,981
  3311. Over there.
  3312.  
  3313. 742
  3314. 00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,989
  3315. Wait.
  3316.  
  3317. 743
  3318. 00:49:57,395 --> 00:49:58,561
  3319. Wait.
  3320.  
  3321. 744
  3322. 00:50:04,535 --> 00:50:05,835
  3323. Let's go.
  3324.  
  3325. 745
  3326. 00:50:07,405 --> 00:50:08,904
  3327. Don't fucking move!
  3328.  
  3329. 746
  3330. 00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:26,782
  3331. Put the fucking gun down now!
  3332.  
  3333. 747
  3334. 00:51:26,784 --> 00:51:29,418
  3335. Now put your hands on
  3336. your head and back away!
  3337.  
  3338. 748
  3339. 00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:35,991
  3340. Freeze!
  3341.  
  3342. 749
  3343. 00:51:35,993 --> 00:51:39,562
  3344. Society wants to
  3345. believe it can identify
  3346.  
  3347. 750
  3348. 00:51:39,564 --> 00:51:43,432
  3349. bad or harmful individuals,
  3350.  
  3351. 751
  3352. 00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:45,968
  3353. but it's not practical.
  3354.  
  3355. 752
  3356. 00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:49,472
  3357. The truth is, people who
  3358. indulge in this sort of thing,
  3359.  
  3360. 753
  3361. 00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:53,976
  3362. well, they look just
  3363. like everyone else.
  3364.  
  3365. 754
  3366. 00:51:53,978 --> 00:51:57,446
  3367. Their subconscious might
  3368. be a raging inferno,
  3369.  
  3370. 755
  3371. 00:51:57,448 --> 00:52:02,118
  3372. but you'd never tell,
  3373. they blend in so well.
  3374.  
  3375. 756
  3376. 00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:06,188
  3377. This is what it
  3378. comes down to, Bob,
  3379.  
  3380. 757
  3381. 00:52:06,357 --> 00:52:09,191
  3382. we serial killers,
  3383.  
  3384. 758
  3385. 00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,894
  3386. we're your sons,
  3387.  
  3388. 759
  3389. 00:52:11,896 --> 00:52:14,063
  3390. your husbands,
  3391.  
  3392. 760
  3393. 00:52:14,565 --> 00:52:16,465
  3394. we're everywhere,
  3395.  
  3396. 761
  3397. 00:52:17,335 --> 00:52:23,572
  3398. and there will be more of
  3399. your children dead tomorrow.
  3400.  
  3401. 762
  3402. 00:52:27,178 --> 00:52:29,545
  3403. <i> All of</i>
  3404. <i>us on this earth</i>
  3405.  
  3406. 763
  3407. 00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:32,381
  3408. <i>know that there
  3409. is a time to live</i>
  3410.  
  3411. 764
  3412. 00:52:32,383 --> 00:52:34,650
  3413. <i>and that there is a time to die,</i>
  3414.  
  3415. 765
  3416. 00:52:34,652 --> 00:52:39,288
  3417. <i>yet death is always a
  3418. shock to those left behind.</i>
  3419.  
  3420. 766
  3421. 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,161
  3422. Jesus, Dad, you scared me.
  3423.  
  3424. 767
  3425. 00:52:45,163 --> 00:52:48,063
  3426. I didn't realize
  3427. anyone else was up.
  3428.  
  3429. 768
  3430. 00:52:48,065 --> 00:52:49,398
  3431. Sorry.
  3432.  
  3433. 769
  3434. 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,333
  3435. Struggling to sleep?
  3436.  
  3437. 770
  3438. 00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:52,868
  3439. Yeah.
  3440.  
  3441. 771
  3442. 00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:54,703
  3443. I have a big test
  3444. at school tomorrow,
  3445.  
  3446. 772
  3447. 00:52:54,705 --> 00:52:57,773
  3448. and no matter how
  3449. hard I hit the books,
  3450.  
  3451. 773
  3452. 00:52:57,775 --> 00:52:59,909
  3453. I just, I don't feel prepared.
  3454.  
  3455. 774
  3456. 00:52:59,911 --> 00:53:03,012
  3457. You'll do great, you always do.
  3458.  
  3459. 775
  3460. 00:53:14,625 --> 00:53:16,792
  3461. Hey, take a seat,
  3462.  
  3463. 776
  3464. 00:53:17,562 --> 00:53:19,128
  3465. watch some TV.
  3466.  
  3467. 777
  3468. 00:53:24,902 --> 00:53:26,135
  3469. <i> The funeral over,</i>
  3470.  
  3471. 778
  3472. 00:53:26,137 --> 00:53:29,405
  3473. <i>the saddened group
  3474. left the graveside.</i>
  3475.  
  3476. 779
  3477. 00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:43,953
  3478. Deb, you know I
  3479. love you, don't you?
  3480.  
  3481. 780
  3482. 00:53:44,021 --> 00:53:47,923
  3483. Sure, Dad, I
  3484. know, I love you too.
  3485.  
  3486. 781
  3487. 00:53:47,925 --> 00:53:51,060
  3488. I'm very proud of you,
  3489. you know that, right?
  3490.  
  3491. 782
  3492. 00:53:51,062 --> 00:53:53,829
  3493. You got some
  3494. whiskey in that cup?
  3495.  
  3496. 783
  3497. 00:53:54,098 --> 00:53:56,265
  3498. No, it's just tea.
  3499.  
  3500. 784
  3501. 00:53:56,701 --> 00:53:59,768
  3502. Then what's with all
  3503. the declarations?
  3504.  
  3505. 785
  3506. 00:54:02,106 --> 00:54:04,740
  3507. I just want you to know
  3508. how much you mean to me,
  3509.  
  3510. 786
  3511. 00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:06,075
  3512. that's all.
  3513.  
  3514. 787
  3515. 00:54:07,945 --> 00:54:09,578
  3516. You're sweet, Dad.
  3517.  
  3518. 788
  3519. 00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:13,249
  3520. But I better get back to bed,
  3521.  
  3522. 789
  3523. 00:54:13,317 --> 00:54:15,150
  3524. see if I can get some sleep.
  3525.  
  3526. 790
  3527. 00:54:15,152 --> 00:54:16,919
  3528. Okay, sweetheart.
  3529.  
  3530. 791
  3531. 00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:17,686
  3532. Goodnight.
  3533.  
  3534. 792
  3535. 00:54:17,688 --> 00:54:20,189
  3536. Goodnight.
  3537.  
  3538. 793
  3539. 00:54:33,104 --> 00:54:35,271
  3540. Where were you on June 17th?
  3541.  
  3542. 794
  3543. 00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:39,775
  3544. I had to take my
  3545. truck to the shop.
  3546.  
  3547. 795
  3548. 00:54:40,645 --> 00:54:44,113
  3549. Have you ever cruised
  3550. the SeaTac strip?
  3551.  
  3552. 796
  3553. 00:54:44,115 --> 00:54:47,149
  3554. I'm, I'm not familiar
  3555. with that place.
  3556.  
  3557. 797
  3558. 00:54:47,551 --> 00:54:49,918
  3559. <i> His name is Gary</i>
  3560. <i>Ridgway.</i>
  3561.  
  3562. 798
  3563. 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,720
  3564. <i>He was picked up for
  3565. attempting to solicit</i>
  3566.  
  3567. 799
  3568. 00:54:51,722 --> 00:54:56,892
  3569. <i>an undercover police officer
  3570. posing as a prostitute in May.</i>
  3571.  
  3572. 800
  3573. 00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:59,361
  3574. <i>Tom got a hunch
  3575. and ran his record.</i>
  3576.  
  3577. 801
  3578. 00:54:59,363 --> 00:55:02,931
  3579. He was accused of choking
  3580. a prostitute in 1980,
  3581.  
  3582. 802
  3583. 00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:04,466
  3584. near the SeaTac strip.
  3585.  
  3586. 803
  3587. 00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:06,635
  3588. At the time, he
  3589. pleaded self-defense,
  3590.  
  3591. 804
  3592. 00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,839
  3593. after claiming the woman bit
  3594. him, and he got released.
  3595.  
  3596. 805
  3597. 00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:14,009
  3598. <i>One of our officers stopped and
  3599. questioned Ridgway last year</i>
  3600.  
  3601. 806
  3602. 00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:17,546
  3603. <i>while he was in his
  3604. truck with a prostitute.</i>
  3605.  
  3606. 807
  3607. 00:55:18,015 --> 00:55:19,281
  3608. They also approached this guy
  3609.  
  3610. 808
  3611. 00:55:19,283 --> 00:55:23,352
  3612. in connection with the
  3613. kidnapping of Marie Olsen.
  3614.  
  3615. 809
  3616. 00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:24,553
  3617. Ridgway was questioned,
  3618.  
  3619. 810
  3620. 00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,056
  3621. but not enough evidence
  3622. to make an arrest.
  3623.  
  3624. 811
  3625. 00:55:27,058 --> 00:55:30,259
  3626. Has anyone questioned the
  3627. sex workers on the strip?
  3628.  
  3629. 812
  3630. 00:55:30,261 --> 00:55:32,161
  3631. Several prostitutes saw a man
  3632.  
  3633. 813
  3634. 00:55:32,163 --> 00:55:33,429
  3635. matching Ridgway's description
  3636.  
  3637. 814
  3638. 00:55:33,431 --> 00:55:36,799
  3639. regularly cruising the
  3640. strip in the past two years.
  3641.  
  3642. 815
  3643. 00:55:36,801 --> 00:55:41,337
  3644. <i>Now he works at that
  3645. factory down in Bellevue,</i>
  3646.  
  3647. 816
  3648. 00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:42,404
  3649. <i>painting trucks,</i>
  3650.  
  3651. 817
  3652. 00:55:42,406 --> 00:55:44,573
  3653. <i>so he would pass that
  3654. strip almost daily</i>
  3655.  
  3656. 818
  3657. 00:55:44,575 --> 00:55:46,575
  3658. <i>on his way to and from work.</i>
  3659.  
  3660. 819
  3661. 00:55:46,577 --> 00:55:48,243
  3662. Sarah Edgar.
  3663.  
  3664. 820
  3665. 00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:51,280
  3666. I've never heard of her.
  3667.  
  3668. 821
  3669. 00:55:51,649 --> 00:55:53,115
  3670. So what's your next move?
  3671.  
  3672. 822
  3673. 00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:56,018
  3674. I think we should get him
  3675. to take a polygraph test.
  3676.  
  3677. 823
  3678. 00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:59,855
  3679. You know those things can't
  3680. be considered 100% accurate.
  3681.  
  3682. 824
  3683. 00:55:59,857 --> 00:56:00,789
  3684. Yeah, I know,
  3685.  
  3686. 825
  3687. 00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:03,292
  3688. but I need something
  3689. more than circumstantial
  3690.  
  3691. 826
  3692. 00:56:03,294 --> 00:56:04,660
  3693. if I'm gonna convince the chief
  3694.  
  3695. 827
  3696. 00:56:04,662 --> 00:56:07,162
  3697. there's a case to be made here.
  3698.  
  3699. 828
  3700. 00:56:07,231 --> 00:56:09,698
  3701. Do you think he's the killer?
  3702.  
  3703. 829
  3704. 00:56:10,401 --> 00:56:13,869
  3705. Something in my
  3706. gut tells me he is.
  3707.  
  3708. 830
  3709. 00:56:14,772 --> 00:56:17,239
  3710. Then do what you have to do.
  3711.  
  3712. 831
  3713. 00:56:24,548 --> 00:56:27,483
  3714. Is your name
  3715. Gary Leon Ridgway?
  3716.  
  3717. 832
  3718. 00:56:27,918 --> 00:56:29,251
  3719. Yes.
  3720.  
  3721. 833
  3722. 00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:34,790
  3723. Have you ever
  3724. cruised the SeaTac strip?
  3725.  
  3726. 834
  3727. 00:56:34,792 --> 00:56:36,058
  3728. No.
  3729.  
  3730. 835
  3731. 00:56:36,127 --> 00:56:39,428
  3732. Have you ever
  3733. hired a prostitute?
  3734.  
  3735. 836
  3736. 00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:40,896
  3737. No.
  3738.  
  3739. 837
  3740. 00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:49,071
  3741. Did you know Julie Kakova?
  3742.  
  3743. 838
  3744. 00:56:49,273 --> 00:56:50,406
  3745. No.
  3746.  
  3747. 839
  3748. 00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:56,912
  3749. Did you kill her?
  3750.  
  3751. 840
  3752. 00:56:57,348 --> 00:56:58,514
  3753. No.
  3754.  
  3755. 841
  3756. 00:57:05,923 --> 00:57:06,855
  3757. He passed.
  3758.  
  3759. 842
  3760. 00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:08,924
  3761. He fucking passed.
  3762.  
  3763. 843
  3764. 00:57:09,794 --> 00:57:10,859
  3765. Ridgway?
  3766.  
  3767. 844
  3768. 00:57:10,861 --> 00:57:11,994
  3769. Yeah.
  3770.  
  3771. 845
  3772. 00:57:13,197 --> 00:57:15,063
  3773. You know we got nothing
  3774. on this guy now.
  3775.  
  3776. 846
  3777. 00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:18,634
  3778. We executed a search warrant
  3779. on his home, turned up nothing.
  3780.  
  3781. 847
  3782. 00:57:18,636 --> 00:57:20,936
  3783. The forensics team
  3784. test this guy?
  3785.  
  3786. 848
  3787. 00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,237
  3788. They took everything from him,
  3789.  
  3790. 849
  3791. 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,573
  3792. saliva, piss, the whole shebang.
  3793.  
  3794. 850
  3795. 00:57:24,575 --> 00:57:25,674
  3796. There's nothing conclusive
  3797.  
  3798. 851
  3799. 00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:27,409
  3800. to link him to any
  3801. of the crime scenes.
  3802.  
  3803. 852
  3804. 00:57:27,411 --> 00:57:28,644
  3805. Shit.
  3806.  
  3807. 853
  3808. 00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,314
  3809. We gotta let him go.
  3810.  
  3811. 854
  3812. 00:58:37,314 --> 00:58:40,315
  3813. 46
  3814. bodies found since 1982.
  3815.  
  3816. 855
  3817. 00:58:40,317 --> 00:58:41,650
  3818. There have been
  3819. several suspects,
  3820.  
  3821. 856
  3822. 00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:44,653
  3823. but a case can't be
  3824. made against any of 'em.
  3825.  
  3826. 857
  3827. 00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:48,557
  3828. $15 million of
  3829. public funds spent.
  3830.  
  3831. 858
  3832. 00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:52,761
  3833. As of today, the Green River
  3834. Task Force will be dismantled.
  3835.  
  3836. 859
  3837. 00:58:52,763 --> 00:58:56,298
  3838. We simply can't continue
  3839. spending this kinda money
  3840.  
  3841. 860
  3842. 00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:57,699
  3843. and allocating
  3844. this much manpower
  3845.  
  3846. 861
  3847. 00:58:57,701 --> 00:59:01,470
  3848. to an investigation which
  3849. has yielded no results.
  3850.  
  3851. 862
  3852. 00:59:01,572 --> 00:59:06,141
  3853. I know you were expecting
  3854. this, and I hope you accept it.
  3855.  
  3856. 863
  3857. 00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:08,043
  3858. It's over, Dave.
  3859.  
  3860. 864
  3861. 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,480
  3862. Respectfully, sir,
  3863.  
  3864. 865
  3865. 00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,950
  3866. it'll never be over.
  3867.  
  3868. 866
  3869. 00:59:17,855 --> 00:59:20,055
  3870. A sad
  3871. and ugly chapter
  3872.  
  3873. 867
  3874. 00:59:20,057 --> 00:59:21,390
  3875. <i>will end tomorrow morning</i>
  3876.  
  3877. 868
  3878. 00:59:21,392 --> 00:59:24,192
  3879. <i>as notorious serial
  3880. killer Ted Bundy</i>
  3881.  
  3882. 869
  3883. 00:59:24,194 --> 00:59:27,529
  3884. <i>is set to die in
  3885. Florida's electric chair.</i>
  3886.  
  3887. 870
  3888. 00:59:27,531 --> 00:59:29,264
  3889. <i>Officially, Bundy's
  3890. execution will be for</i>
  3891.  
  3892. 871
  3893. 00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:33,302
  3894. <i>the kidnap and murder of
  3895. 12-year-old Caroline Keach,</i>
  3896.  
  3897. 872
  3898. 00:59:33,304 --> 00:59:38,106
  3899. <i>but he was also found guilty
  3900. of two additional 1978 slayings</i>
  3901.  
  3902. 873
  3903. 00:59:38,108 --> 00:59:42,678
  3904. <i>and is suspected in
  3905. 20-40 other homicides,</i>
  3906.  
  3907. 874
  3908. 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:43,812
  3909. <i>at least 23 of which</i>
  3910.  
  3911. 875
  3912. 00:59:43,814 --> 00:59:45,514
  3913. <i>he has confessed to law
  3914. enforcement officials</i>
  3915.  
  3916. 876
  3917. 00:59:45,516 --> 00:59:48,350
  3918. <i>in the past few years.
  3919. Faced with execution</i>
  3920.  
  3921. 877
  3922. 00:59:48,352 --> 00:59:51,086
  3923. <i>after nearly a decade
  3924. of court appeals,</i>
  3925.  
  3926. 878
  3927. 00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:54,823
  3928. <i>Bundy has attempted to
  3929. trade confessions for time</i>
  3930.  
  3931. 879
  3932. 00:59:54,825 --> 00:59:55,891
  3933. <i>to give lawmen details</i>
  3934.  
  3935. 880
  3936. 00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:57,426
  3937. <i>of all of the murders.</i>
  3938.  
  3939. 881
  3940. 00:59:57,428 --> 01:00:00,562
  3941. <i>The Florida governor refused
  3942. to make such a trade.</i>
  3943.  
  3944. 882
  3945. 01:00:00,564 --> 01:00:05,100
  3946. <i>Bundy is scheduled to
  3947. be executed at 7:00 a.m.</i>
  3948.  
  3949. 883
  3950. 01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:13,208
  3951. Bob.
  3952.  
  3953. 884
  3954. 01:00:13,877 --> 01:00:15,043
  3955. Ted.
  3956.  
  3957. 885
  3958. 01:00:16,313 --> 01:00:18,981
  3959. You know, I could still
  3960. provide information.
  3961.  
  3962. 886
  3963. 01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:22,784
  3964. I've remembered things that
  3965. might help the families.
  3966.  
  3967. 887
  3968. 01:00:22,786 --> 01:00:24,653
  3969. I know you're hoping
  3970. for a phone call,
  3971.  
  3972. 888
  3973. 01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,990
  3974. but I don't think it'll come.
  3975.  
  3976. 889
  3977. 01:00:28,892 --> 01:00:32,561
  3978. Many feel justice is
  3979. being served tomorrow.
  3980.  
  3981. 890
  3982. 01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:35,230
  3983. What about you, Bob?
  3984.  
  3985. 891
  3986. 01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:38,634
  3987. Do you think justice
  3988. is being served?
  3989.  
  3990. 892
  3991. 01:00:39,703 --> 01:00:42,471
  3992. I'm not here to
  3993. pass judgment, Ted.
  3994.  
  3995. 893
  3996. 01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:45,474
  3997. Well, then why are you here?
  3998.  
  3999. 894
  4000. 01:00:45,542 --> 01:00:48,710
  4001. I'm interested in your
  4002. thoughts on something.
  4003.  
  4004. 895
  4005. 01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:51,480
  4006. What's that?
  4007.  
  4008. 896
  4009. 01:00:53,517 --> 01:00:55,651
  4010. Why'd you go down this road?
  4011.  
  4012. 897
  4013. 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,186
  4014. Well, everyone asks that.
  4015.  
  4016. 898
  4017. 01:00:58,188 --> 01:01:02,424
  4018. Yeah, but you never really
  4019. answered it before, have you?
  4020.  
  4021. 899
  4022. 01:01:03,594 --> 01:01:05,193
  4023. What's the point?
  4024.  
  4025. 900
  4026. 01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:09,531
  4027. Help people understand perhaps.
  4028.  
  4029. 901
  4030. 01:01:09,667 --> 01:01:12,768
  4031. Maybe I can give you
  4032. a little insight too.
  4033.  
  4034. 902
  4035. 01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:13,769
  4036. Maybe the truth is
  4037.  
  4038. 903
  4039. 01:01:13,771 --> 01:01:17,673
  4040. I don't have an answer
  4041. to your question.
  4042.  
  4043. 904
  4044. 01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,308
  4045. Whenever I'm interviewed,
  4046.  
  4047. 905
  4048. 01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:24,413
  4049. people always ask, do I feel
  4050. guilt for what I've done?
  4051.  
  4052. 906
  4053. 01:01:25,449 --> 01:01:26,581
  4054. Guilt...
  4055.  
  4056. 907
  4057. 01:01:28,152 --> 01:01:29,751
  4058. it's an illusion,
  4059.  
  4060. 908
  4061. 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,321
  4062. a mechanism of social control.
  4063.  
  4064. 909
  4065. 01:01:33,323 --> 01:01:37,726
  4066. It's very unhealthy, does
  4067. terrible things to the body.
  4068.  
  4069. 910
  4070. 01:01:38,896 --> 01:01:41,229
  4071. What about when you
  4072. were young, Ted?
  4073.  
  4074. 911
  4075. 01:01:41,231 --> 01:01:44,066
  4076. What was your emotional
  4077. state of mind?
  4078.  
  4079. 912
  4080. 01:01:44,702 --> 01:01:45,967
  4081. Confusion.
  4082.  
  4083. 913
  4084. 01:01:46,437 --> 01:01:51,073
  4085. I could never understand what
  4086. made people want to be friends,
  4087.  
  4088. 914
  4089. 01:01:51,075 --> 01:01:54,543
  4090. or what made people
  4091. attracted to one another,
  4092.  
  4093. 915
  4094. 01:01:54,545 --> 01:01:59,948
  4095. or what underlays
  4096. social interactions.
  4097.  
  4098. 916
  4099. 01:02:00,617 --> 01:02:02,584
  4100. I'd watch people
  4101.  
  4102. 917
  4103. 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,754
  4104. and see them feel,
  4105.  
  4106. 918
  4107. 01:02:07,491 --> 01:02:11,426
  4108. but, I don't know, I
  4109. could never be like them.
  4110.  
  4111. 919
  4112. 01:02:11,428 --> 01:02:16,231
  4113. Do you remember the first
  4114. time you felt the urges?
  4115.  
  4116. 920
  4117. 01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:18,967
  4118. I certainly fantasized.
  4119.  
  4120. 921
  4121. 01:02:18,969 --> 01:02:22,904
  4122. Well, as a young
  4123. boy of 12 or 13,
  4124.  
  4125. 922
  4126. 01:02:22,906 --> 01:02:26,141
  4127. I'd encountered
  4128. soft-core pornography,
  4129.  
  4130. 923
  4131. 01:02:26,143 --> 01:02:31,413
  4132. outside the home, local
  4133. drug or grocery stores.
  4134.  
  4135. 924
  4136. 01:02:31,749 --> 01:02:32,748
  4137. Young boys,
  4138.  
  4139. 925
  4140. 01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:37,686
  4141. they explore the sideways and
  4142. byways of their neighborhood.
  4143.  
  4144. 926
  4145. 01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:41,823
  4146. And in our neighborhood, people
  4147. would dump their garbage,
  4148.  
  4149. 927
  4150. 01:02:41,825 --> 01:02:43,325
  4151. and from time to time,
  4152.  
  4153. 928
  4154. 01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:45,427
  4155. we'd come across books
  4156.  
  4157. 929
  4158. 01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:49,531
  4159. of a more graphic nature,
  4160.  
  4161. 930
  4162. 01:02:49,533 --> 01:02:52,968
  4163. detective magazines and so on.
  4164.  
  4165. 931
  4166. 01:02:53,303 --> 01:02:54,936
  4167. Well, I wanna emphasize this,
  4168.  
  4169. 932
  4170. 01:02:54,938 --> 01:02:58,340
  4171. the most damaging
  4172. kind of pornography,
  4173.  
  4174. 933
  4175. 01:02:58,342 --> 01:03:01,243
  4176. I'm talking from real
  4177. personal experience here,
  4178.  
  4179. 934
  4180. 01:03:01,245 --> 01:03:07,649
  4181. is the kind which involves
  4182. violence and sexual violence.
  4183.  
  4184. 935
  4185. 01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:10,118
  4186. The wedding of those two forces,
  4187.  
  4188. 936
  4189. 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,355
  4190. as I know only too well,
  4191.  
  4192. 937
  4193. 01:03:13,357 --> 01:03:14,556
  4194. well, it brings about behavior
  4195.  
  4196. 938
  4197. 01:03:14,558 --> 01:03:17,826
  4198. that is too terrible
  4199. to describe.
  4200.  
  4201. 939
  4202. 01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:20,829
  4203. When did fantasy
  4204. become a reality?
  4205.  
  4206. 940
  4207. 01:03:22,166 --> 01:03:23,031
  4208. As a teen,
  4209.  
  4210. 941
  4211. 01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:25,967
  4212. I was dealing with
  4213. very strong inhibitions
  4214.  
  4215. 942
  4216. 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:29,237
  4217. against violent and
  4218. criminal behavior
  4219.  
  4220. 943
  4221. 01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,206
  4222. that had been conditioned
  4223.  
  4224. 944
  4225. 01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:34,209
  4226. and bred into me
  4227. by my environment,
  4228.  
  4229. 945
  4230. 01:03:34,211 --> 01:03:38,814
  4231. the neighborhood,
  4232. schools, church.
  4233.  
  4234. 946
  4235. 01:03:39,283 --> 01:03:43,518
  4236. It's a very difficult
  4237. thing to describe,
  4238.  
  4239. 947
  4240. 01:03:43,687 --> 01:03:46,521
  4241. the sensation of
  4242. reaching a point
  4243.  
  4244. 948
  4245. 01:03:46,523 --> 01:03:52,327
  4246. where I knew I couldn't
  4247. control it anymore.
  4248.  
  4249. 949
  4250. 01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:56,565
  4251. The barriers I had
  4252. learned as a child
  4253.  
  4254. 950
  4255. 01:03:56,567 --> 01:03:58,433
  4256. were not enough to hold me back
  4257.  
  4258. 951
  4259. 01:03:58,435 --> 01:04:02,871
  4260. from seeking out and
  4261. harming somebody.
  4262.  
  4263. 952
  4264. 01:04:04,007 --> 01:04:08,577
  4265. How did you feel the first
  4266. time you committed a murder?
  4267.  
  4268. 953
  4269. 01:04:08,812 --> 01:04:14,282
  4270. Even all these years later,
  4271. it's difficult to talk about.
  4272.  
  4273. 954
  4274. 01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,384
  4275. Reliving it through talking is,
  4276.  
  4277. 955
  4278. 01:04:16,386 --> 01:04:17,786
  4279. well, difficult,
  4280. to say the least,
  4281.  
  4282. 956
  4283. 01:04:17,788 --> 01:04:21,790
  4284. but I want you to
  4285. understand what happened.
  4286.  
  4287. 957
  4288. 01:04:23,026 --> 01:04:27,028
  4289. It was like coming out of some
  4290.  
  4291. 958
  4292. 01:04:27,965 --> 01:04:32,100
  4293. horrible trance or dream.
  4294.  
  4295. 959
  4296. 01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:35,103
  4297. I can only liken it
  4298. to being possessed
  4299.  
  4300. 960
  4301. 01:04:35,105 --> 01:04:39,107
  4302. by something so awful and alien,
  4303.  
  4304. 961
  4305. 01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:40,242
  4306. and then the next morning,
  4307.  
  4308. 962
  4309. 01:04:40,244 --> 01:04:41,810
  4310. waking up and remembering
  4311. what happened,
  4312.  
  4313. 963
  4314. 01:04:41,812 --> 01:04:45,580
  4315. and realizing that, well,
  4316. in the eyes of the law,
  4317.  
  4318. 964
  4319. 01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:48,216
  4320. and certainly in
  4321. the eyes of God,
  4322.  
  4323. 965
  4324. 01:04:48,218 --> 01:04:50,485
  4325. you're responsible.
  4326.  
  4327. 966
  4328. 01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:55,156
  4329. Possession is an
  4330. interesting word.
  4331.  
  4332. 967
  4333. 01:04:55,158 --> 01:04:59,327
  4334. What I did, it was like
  4335. possessing them, physically,
  4336.  
  4337. 968
  4338. 01:04:59,329 --> 01:05:03,798
  4339. as one might possess
  4340. a potted plant,
  4341.  
  4342. 969
  4343. 01:05:04,501 --> 01:05:06,268
  4344. or a painting,
  4345.  
  4346. 970
  4347. 01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:08,470
  4348. or a horse,
  4349.  
  4350. 971
  4351. 01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:12,774
  4352. owning, as it were, this person,
  4353.  
  4354. 972
  4355. 01:05:12,976 --> 01:05:18,413
  4356. and then taking
  4357. ownership of the remains.
  4358.  
  4359. 973
  4360. 01:05:19,116 --> 01:05:21,950
  4361. But when I'd wake
  4362. up in the morning
  4363.  
  4364. 974
  4365. 01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:25,787
  4366. and realize what I'd
  4367. done with a clear mind,
  4368.  
  4369. 975
  4370. 01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:31,960
  4371. with all my essential ethical
  4372. and moral feelings intact,
  4373.  
  4374. 976
  4375. 01:05:32,763 --> 01:05:35,997
  4376. well, it absolutely
  4377. horrified me.
  4378.  
  4379. 977
  4380. 01:05:37,467 --> 01:05:40,669
  4381. The feelings of pleasure
  4382. derived from what you did
  4383.  
  4384. 978
  4385. 01:05:40,671 --> 01:05:43,872
  4386. clearly outweighed any
  4387. feelings of being horrified,
  4388.  
  4389. 979
  4390. 01:05:43,874 --> 01:05:46,474
  4391. because you repeated it so much.
  4392.  
  4393. 980
  4394. 01:05:48,011 --> 01:05:48,877
  4395. Maybe so.
  4396.  
  4397. 981
  4398. 01:05:48,879 --> 01:05:51,746
  4399. Also, when you compare
  4400. people to possessions,
  4401.  
  4402. 982
  4403. 01:05:51,748 --> 01:05:56,284
  4404. well, I think it's hard to
  4405. believe that you felt anything,
  4406.  
  4407. 983
  4408. 01:05:56,286 --> 01:05:57,686
  4409. certainly if in your mind,
  4410.  
  4411. 984
  4412. 01:05:57,688 --> 01:06:00,956
  4413. people are no different
  4414. to material things.
  4415.  
  4416. 985
  4417. 01:06:03,961 --> 01:06:05,927
  4418. What's your point, Bob?
  4419.  
  4420. 986
  4421. 01:06:06,196 --> 01:06:08,229
  4422. I've spoken to your family,
  4423.  
  4424. 987
  4425. 01:06:08,231 --> 01:06:09,364
  4426. quite in depth, actually,
  4427.  
  4428. 988
  4429. 01:06:09,366 --> 01:06:11,666
  4430. and they were very candid.
  4431.  
  4432. 989
  4433. 01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:12,968
  4434. I don't know if you know this,
  4435.  
  4436. 990
  4437. 01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:15,570
  4438. but your aunt has a very
  4439. interesting memory of you
  4440.  
  4441. 991
  4442. 01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,939
  4443. from when you were
  4444. three years old.
  4445.  
  4446. 992
  4447. 01:06:17,941 --> 01:06:19,207
  4448. And what's that?
  4449.  
  4450. 993
  4451. 01:06:19,209 --> 01:06:22,444
  4452. She recalled waking
  4453. up from a nap one day
  4454.  
  4455. 994
  4456. 01:06:22,446 --> 01:06:23,678
  4457. at your grandparents' house
  4458.  
  4459. 995
  4460. 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,749
  4461. to find herself surrounded
  4462. by knives from the kitchen.
  4463.  
  4464. 996
  4465. 01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:32,954
  4466. You were stood by your
  4467. aunt's bed, smiling.
  4468.  
  4469. 997
  4470. 01:06:32,956 --> 01:06:35,357
  4471. Well, I can't
  4472. say I remember that, Bob,
  4473.  
  4474. 998
  4475. 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:38,293
  4476. so I'll have to take
  4477. her word for it.
  4478.  
  4479. 999
  4480. 01:06:38,295 --> 01:06:41,529
  4481. If it's true, it's very
  4482. telling, don't you think?
  4483.  
  4484. 1000
  4485. 01:06:41,531 --> 01:06:42,530
  4486. How so?
  4487.  
  4488. 1001
  4489. 01:06:42,532 --> 01:06:44,899
  4490. Well, in my line of work,
  4491.  
  4492. 1002
  4493. 01:06:44,901 --> 01:06:45,800
  4494. I'm always asked
  4495.  
  4496. 1003
  4497. 01:06:45,802 --> 01:06:49,037
  4498. "is serial killing down
  4499. to nature or nurture?"
  4500.  
  4501. 1004
  4502. 01:06:49,272 --> 01:06:50,438
  4503. That incident with your aunt
  4504.  
  4505. 1005
  4506. 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,607
  4507. would suggest it's
  4508. down to nature,
  4509.  
  4510. 1006
  4511. 01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:55,810
  4512. that you were born with
  4513. a darkness inside of you.
  4514.  
  4515. 1007
  4516. 01:06:55,812 --> 01:06:57,545
  4517. But the thing is this,
  4518.  
  4519. 1008
  4520. 01:06:57,547 --> 01:06:59,514
  4521. there are many people out there
  4522.  
  4523. 1009
  4524. 01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:02,217
  4525. who are born with
  4526. darkness inside of them,
  4527.  
  4528. 1010
  4529. 01:07:02,219 --> 01:07:04,719
  4530. there are many people
  4531. who suffer violence
  4532.  
  4533. 1011
  4534. 01:07:04,721 --> 01:07:07,655
  4535. or have terrible things
  4536. happen to them as kids,
  4537.  
  4538. 1012
  4539. 01:07:07,657 --> 01:07:11,159
  4540. but they don't all grow
  4541. up to be serial killers.
  4542.  
  4543. 1013
  4544. 01:07:11,228 --> 01:07:15,030
  4545. Is this going somewhere, Bob?
  4546.  
  4547. 1014
  4548. 01:07:15,799 --> 01:07:19,267
  4549. It's like the parable
  4550. of the two wolves.
  4551.  
  4552. 1015
  4553. 01:07:19,269 --> 01:07:21,236
  4554. And what's that?
  4555.  
  4556. 1016
  4557. 01:07:21,238 --> 01:07:23,138
  4558. A father is talking to his son,
  4559.  
  4560. 1017
  4561. 01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:27,242
  4562. and he says there are
  4563. two wolves inside of us,
  4564.  
  4565. 1018
  4566. 01:07:27,244 --> 01:07:28,810
  4567. always at battle.
  4568.  
  4569. 1019
  4570. 01:07:28,812 --> 01:07:32,280
  4571. The good wolf represents
  4572. things like kindness,
  4573.  
  4574. 1020
  4575. 01:07:32,282 --> 01:07:33,415
  4576. bravery, and love.
  4577.  
  4578. 1021
  4579. 01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:38,553
  4580. The bad wolf represents things
  4581. like greed, hatred, and fear.
  4582.  
  4583. 1022
  4584. 01:07:38,555 --> 01:07:41,823
  4585. The son stops and thinks
  4586. about it for a second,
  4587.  
  4588. 1023
  4589. 01:07:41,825 --> 01:07:44,959
  4590. and then looks at
  4591. his father and says,
  4592.  
  4593. 1024
  4594. 01:07:44,961 --> 01:07:46,728
  4595. "Which one wins?"
  4596.  
  4597. 1025
  4598. 01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:52,834
  4599. And the father quietly
  4600. replies, "The one we feed."
  4601.  
  4602. 1026
  4603. 01:07:56,006 --> 01:08:00,241
  4604. And I guess you think I
  4605. fed the bad wolf, right?
  4606.  
  4607. 1027
  4608. 01:08:00,477 --> 01:08:01,476
  4609. Yeah.
  4610.  
  4611. 1028
  4612. 01:08:01,478 --> 01:08:02,577
  4613. Is it nature or nurture?
  4614.  
  4615. 1029
  4616. 01:08:02,579 --> 01:08:05,814
  4617. A little of both for sure,
  4618. but the bottom line is this,
  4619.  
  4620. 1030
  4621. 01:08:05,816 --> 01:08:10,151
  4622. we all have a choice about
  4623. the person we become.
  4624.  
  4625. 1031
  4626. 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,354
  4627. We create our own reality.
  4628.  
  4629. 1032
  4630. 01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:21,362
  4631. <i> Ted Bundy, the</i>
  4632. <i>notorious serial killer,</i>
  4633.  
  4634. 1033
  4635. 01:08:21,364 --> 01:08:23,398
  4636. <i>died today in the electric chair</i>
  4637.  
  4638. 1034
  4639. 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,534
  4640. <i>after a night of
  4641. weeping and praying.</i>
  4642.  
  4643. 1035
  4644. 01:08:51,261 --> 01:08:53,361
  4645. Let me do that.
  4646.  
  4647. 1036
  4648. 01:08:54,831 --> 01:08:55,997
  4649. So,
  4650.  
  4651. 1037
  4652. 01:08:56,166 --> 01:09:00,001
  4653. your first press conference
  4654. as the new chief.
  4655.  
  4656. 1038
  4657. 01:09:00,937 --> 01:09:01,836
  4658. You nervous?
  4659.  
  4660. 1039
  4661. 01:09:01,838 --> 01:09:04,405
  4662. Almost 20 years of
  4663. dealing with the press,
  4664.  
  4665. 1040
  4666. 01:09:04,407 --> 01:09:06,174
  4667. you get used to it.
  4668.  
  4669. 1041
  4670. 01:09:06,443 --> 01:09:07,475
  4671. I'm proud of you.
  4672.  
  4673. 1042
  4674. 01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:10,145
  4675. You deserve this, and
  4676. you've worked hard for it.
  4677.  
  4678. 1043
  4679. 01:09:10,147 --> 01:09:11,779
  4680. I couldn't have
  4681. done it without you.
  4682.  
  4683. 1044
  4684. 01:09:11,781 --> 01:09:15,550
  4685. Mm, behind every great
  4686. man is a great woman.
  4687.  
  4688. 1045
  4689. 01:09:15,552 --> 01:09:17,485
  4690. I know it's a cliche,
  4691.  
  4692. 1046
  4693. 01:09:17,487 --> 01:09:19,154
  4694. but it's true.
  4695.  
  4696. 1047
  4697. 01:09:20,524 --> 01:09:21,956
  4698. We're a team.
  4699.  
  4700. 1048
  4701. 01:09:21,958 --> 01:09:25,326
  4702. This isn't just my
  4703. achievement, it's ours.
  4704.  
  4705. 1049
  4706. 01:09:26,062 --> 01:09:28,196
  4707. Can I confess something?
  4708.  
  4709. 1050
  4710. 01:09:28,798 --> 01:09:29,998
  4711. Yeah.
  4712.  
  4713. 1051
  4714. 01:09:31,535 --> 01:09:33,001
  4715. I'm relieved.
  4716.  
  4717. 1052
  4718. 01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:33,768
  4719. You are?
  4720.  
  4721. 1053
  4722. 01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:36,638
  4723. Mm-hmm, a desk job gets
  4724. you off the streets,
  4725.  
  4726. 1054
  4727. 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,541
  4728. which means I'm gonna
  4729. sleep better at night
  4730.  
  4731. 1055
  4732. 01:09:39,543 --> 01:09:42,043
  4733. knowing you'll be safe.
  4734.  
  4735. 1056
  4736. 01:09:47,217 --> 01:09:48,650
  4737. What's wrong?
  4738.  
  4739. 1057
  4740. 01:09:48,652 --> 01:09:50,084
  4741. Nothing.
  4742.  
  4743. 1058
  4744. 01:09:51,121 --> 01:09:51,986
  4745. There you go.
  4746.  
  4747. 1059
  4748. 01:09:51,988 --> 01:09:53,388
  4749. Thanks, honey.
  4750.  
  4751. 1060
  4752. 01:10:13,777 --> 01:10:17,478
  4753. You've faced much
  4754. criticism over the years
  4755.  
  4756. 1061
  4757. 01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:22,283
  4758. for your failure to apprehend
  4759. the Green River Killer,
  4760.  
  4761. 1062
  4762. 01:10:22,285 --> 01:10:26,921
  4763. how do you think the
  4764. victims' families might feel
  4765.  
  4766. 1063
  4767. 01:10:26,923 --> 01:10:31,159
  4768. watching your career go
  4769. from strength to strength
  4770.  
  4771. 1064
  4772. 01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:34,329
  4773. while the person who
  4774. murdered their daughters
  4775.  
  4776. 1065
  4777. 01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:36,164
  4778. is still at large?
  4779.  
  4780. 1066
  4781. 01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:37,999
  4782. Yes,
  4783.  
  4784. 1067
  4785. 01:10:38,001 --> 01:10:42,770
  4786. I've spent almost two
  4787. decades haunted by this.
  4788.  
  4789. 1068
  4790. 01:10:42,906 --> 01:10:46,074
  4791. My career has progressed, yes,
  4792.  
  4793. 1069
  4794. 01:10:46,243 --> 01:10:49,010
  4795. but it hasn't stopped
  4796. the nightmares.
  4797.  
  4798. 1070
  4799. 01:10:49,012 --> 01:10:55,416
  4800. My arrest and conviction rate
  4801. is the highest on the force,
  4802.  
  4803. 1071
  4804. 01:10:55,752 --> 01:10:57,285
  4805. but there is not a day goes by
  4806.  
  4807. 1072
  4808. 01:10:57,287 --> 01:11:01,789
  4809. when I don't think about
  4810. the one that got away
  4811.  
  4812. 1073
  4813. 01:11:02,459 --> 01:11:04,993
  4814. and all the pain he caused.
  4815.  
  4816. 1074
  4817. 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,831
  4818. Which is why today,
  4819.  
  4820. 1075
  4821. 01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,933
  4822. I am announcing
  4823.  
  4824. 1076
  4825. 01:11:11,935 --> 01:11:15,069
  4826. that I will be reforming
  4827. the Green River Task Force.
  4828.  
  4829. 1077
  4830. 01:11:17,507 --> 01:11:20,174
  4831. Considerable resources
  4832. will be diverted
  4833.  
  4834. 1078
  4835. 01:11:20,176 --> 01:11:21,643
  4836. to resuming the investigation,
  4837.  
  4838. 1079
  4839. 01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:24,912
  4840. and I will be personally
  4841. overseeing it.
  4842.  
  4843. 1080
  4844. 01:11:24,914 --> 01:11:28,983
  4845. I want the victims'
  4846. families to know one thing,
  4847.  
  4848. 1081
  4849. 01:11:29,052 --> 01:11:33,521
  4850. I will not rest until the
  4851. killer is behind bars.
  4852.  
  4853. 1082
  4854. 01:11:47,604 --> 01:11:49,537
  4855. You saw the conference on TV?
  4856.  
  4857. 1083
  4858. 01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:50,672
  4859. I did.
  4860.  
  4861. 1084
  4862. 01:11:50,774 --> 01:11:53,574
  4863. I know you wanted
  4864. me to play it safe
  4865.  
  4866. 1085
  4867. 01:11:53,576 --> 01:11:54,976
  4868. and stay behind a desk,
  4869.  
  4870. 1086
  4871. 01:11:54,978 --> 01:11:59,180
  4872. but I just can't
  4873. let this one go.
  4874.  
  4875. 1087
  4876. 01:11:59,683 --> 01:12:05,620
  4877. You gave years to this,
  4878. I saw what it did to you,
  4879.  
  4880. 1088
  4881. 01:12:05,622 --> 01:12:06,554
  4882. I'm worried.
  4883.  
  4884. 1089
  4885. 01:12:06,556 --> 01:12:08,156
  4886. I just gotta get back out there
  4887.  
  4888. 1090
  4889. 01:12:08,158 --> 01:12:09,857
  4890. and nail that son of a bitch.
  4891.  
  4892. 1091
  4893. 01:12:09,859 --> 01:12:11,059
  4894. And you think if you find him,
  4895.  
  4896. 1092
  4897. 01:12:11,061 --> 01:12:13,828
  4898. you're gonna not
  4899. be haunted anymore?
  4900.  
  4901. 1093
  4902. 01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:17,932
  4903. I don't know, but this
  4904. isn't just about me.
  4905.  
  4906. 1094
  4907. 01:12:17,934 --> 01:12:21,169
  4908. You gave your life
  4909. to public service,
  4910.  
  4911. 1095
  4912. 01:12:21,171 --> 01:12:24,205
  4913. you don't owe anyone anything.
  4914.  
  4915. 1096
  4916. 01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:31,879
  4917. If we'd have lost Deb, you'd
  4918. want justice, wouldn't you?
  4919.  
  4920. 1097
  4921. 01:12:31,881 --> 01:12:33,314
  4922. Yes, of course,
  4923.  
  4924. 1098
  4925. 01:12:33,316 --> 01:12:38,119
  4926. but you being a martyr
  4927. doesn't do anyone any favors.
  4928.  
  4929. 1099
  4930. 01:12:38,121 --> 01:12:41,522
  4931. When the case was active,
  4932. you were here physically,
  4933.  
  4934. 1100
  4935. 01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,925
  4936. but your mind was miles away.
  4937.  
  4938. 1101
  4939. 01:12:43,927 --> 01:12:45,293
  4940. Is it a good thing for you
  4941.  
  4942. 1102
  4943. 01:12:45,295 --> 01:12:46,961
  4944. to fight for other
  4945. people's families
  4946.  
  4947. 1103
  4948. 01:12:46,963 --> 01:12:48,763
  4949. when your own has
  4950. to suffer for it?
  4951.  
  4952. 1104
  4953. 01:12:48,765 --> 01:12:52,967
  4954. You know I love you, but
  4955. this is how I was made,
  4956.  
  4957. 1105
  4958. 01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:55,269
  4959. this is what you married.
  4960.  
  4961. 1106
  4962. 01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,840
  4963. Well, if you've
  4964. made up your mind,
  4965.  
  4966. 1107
  4967. 01:12:58,842 --> 01:13:03,778
  4968. I guess there's nothing
  4969. else for me to say.
  4970.  
  4971. 1108
  4972. 01:13:07,751 --> 01:13:09,550
  4973. Well, do you support me?
  4974.  
  4975. 1109
  4976. 01:13:10,687 --> 01:13:12,954
  4977. I can't do this without you.
  4978.  
  4979. 1110
  4980. 01:13:15,058 --> 01:13:19,093
  4981. I'll always be by your
  4982. side, you know that.
  4983.  
  4984. 1111
  4985. 01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,162
  4986. And I hope when
  4987. you find this guy,
  4988.  
  4989. 1112
  4990. 01:13:21,164 --> 01:13:25,833
  4991. you get the inner peace
  4992. that you're seeking.
  4993.  
  4994. 1113
  4995. 01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:42,350
  4996. One of the victims,
  4997. Marsha Intola,
  4998.  
  4999. 1114
  5000. 01:13:42,352 --> 01:13:45,853
  5001. the one who was posed with
  5002. the fish and the wine...
  5003.  
  5004. 1115
  5005. 01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:46,654
  5006. Yeah?
  5007.  
  5008. 1116
  5009. 01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:49,123
  5010. She was stripped
  5011. naked like the others,
  5012.  
  5013. 1117
  5014. 01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:50,958
  5015. but there was a
  5016. dress found nearby
  5017.  
  5018. 1118
  5019. 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,194
  5020. which was identified as hers.
  5021.  
  5022. 1119
  5023. 01:13:53,196 --> 01:13:55,363
  5024. There was a semen sample
  5025. taken from the dress.
  5026.  
  5027. 1120
  5028. 01:13:55,365 --> 01:13:59,333
  5029. We also recovered semen
  5030. from several of the victims.
  5031.  
  5032. 1121
  5033. 01:13:59,335 --> 01:14:02,236
  5034. I know we established
  5035. many years back
  5036.  
  5037. 1122
  5038. 01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:04,939
  5039. that the samples were
  5040. all from the same man,
  5041.  
  5042. 1123
  5043. 01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:07,408
  5044. we just did not
  5045. have the technology
  5046.  
  5047. 1124
  5048. 01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:09,944
  5049. for a more detailed DNA profile.
  5050.  
  5051. 1125
  5052. 01:14:09,946 --> 01:14:12,113
  5053. So what can we do now?
  5054.  
  5055. 1126
  5056. 01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:15,516
  5057. Our advances mean that the
  5058. sample from the discarded dress
  5059.  
  5060. 1127
  5061. 01:14:15,518 --> 01:14:18,219
  5062. will stand strong
  5063. against the suspects
  5064.  
  5065. 1128
  5066. 01:14:18,221 --> 01:14:19,454
  5067. we have on our database.
  5068.  
  5069. 1129
  5070. 01:14:19,456 --> 01:14:21,889
  5071. We should also be
  5072. able to get matches
  5073.  
  5074. 1130
  5075. 01:14:21,891 --> 01:14:26,394
  5076. on the semen samples retrieved
  5077. from the other victims.
  5078.  
  5079. 1131
  5080. 01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:28,396
  5081. Okay.
  5082.  
  5083. 1132
  5084. 01:14:28,832 --> 01:14:30,331
  5085. Let's get it done.
  5086.  
  5087. 1133
  5088. 01:14:44,681 --> 01:14:46,280
  5089. These are the results?
  5090.  
  5091. 1134
  5092. 01:14:46,549 --> 01:14:47,682
  5093. The same guy's DNA matches
  5094.  
  5095. 1135
  5096. 01:14:47,684 --> 01:14:50,451
  5097. every sample recovered
  5098. from the victims.
  5099.  
  5100. 1136
  5101. 01:14:50,553 --> 01:14:53,554
  5102. I don't even need to open this.
  5103.  
  5104. 1137
  5105. 01:14:55,959 --> 01:14:58,459
  5106. It's Gary Ridgway, isn't it?
  5107.  
  5108. 1138
  5109. 01:15:17,714 --> 01:15:19,514
  5110. Let's go get him.
  5111.  
  5112. 1139
  5113. 01:15:47,076 --> 01:15:48,776
  5114. Put your hands
  5115. in the air.
  5116.  
  5117. 1140
  5118. 01:15:48,778 --> 01:15:53,281
  5119. One false move and I'll put
  5120. two in the back of your head.
  5121.  
  5122. 1141
  5123. 01:15:53,283 --> 01:15:56,551
  5124. Slowly, put your hands
  5125. behind your back.
  5126.  
  5127. 1142
  5128. 01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:05,626
  5129. Gotcha, asshole.
  5130.  
  5131. 1143
  5132. 01:16:14,437 --> 01:16:16,070
  5133. <i>In the early 1980s,</i>
  5134.  
  5135. 1144
  5136. 01:16:16,072 --> 01:16:18,806
  5137. <i>the area around the Green
  5138. River, south of Seattle,</i>
  5139.  
  5140. 1145
  5141. 01:16:18,808 --> 01:16:19,907
  5142. <i>was the site of one of</i>
  5143.  
  5144. 1146
  5145. 01:16:19,909 --> 01:16:21,475
  5146. <i>the most gruesome
  5147. serial-killing sprees</i>
  5148.  
  5149. 1147
  5150. 01:16:21,477 --> 01:16:22,677
  5151. <i>this country has ever seen.</i>
  5152.  
  5153. 1148
  5154. 01:16:22,679 --> 01:16:24,712
  5155. <i>At least 49 women, police say,</i>
  5156.  
  5157. 1149
  5158. 01:16:24,714 --> 01:16:26,380
  5159. <i>mostly prostitutes and runaways,</i>
  5160.  
  5161. 1150
  5162. 01:16:26,382 --> 01:16:28,783
  5163. <i>disappeared or
  5164. were found murdered</i>
  5165.  
  5166. 1151
  5167. 01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:30,318
  5168. <i>along this stretch of water.</i>
  5169.  
  5170. 1152
  5171. 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,920
  5172. <i>Gary Leon Ridgway,
  5173. now in custody,</i>
  5174.  
  5175. 1153
  5176. 01:16:32,922 --> 01:16:34,288
  5177. <i>was a prime suspect back then,</i>
  5178.  
  5179. 1154
  5180. 01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,792
  5181. <i>but police didn't have enough
  5182. evidence to make a solid case.</i>
  5183.  
  5184. 1155
  5185. 01:16:37,794 --> 01:16:39,727
  5186. <i>Now, new technology, police say,</i>
  5187.  
  5188. 1156
  5189. 01:16:39,729 --> 01:16:40,962
  5190. <i>has linked Ridgway's DNA</i>
  5191.  
  5192. 1157
  5193. 01:16:40,964 --> 01:16:42,997
  5194. <i>with DNA found on three of
  5195. the Green River victims,</i>
  5196.  
  5197. 1158
  5198. 01:16:42,999 --> 01:16:47,101
  5199. <i>while other evidence, police
  5200. say, ties him to a fourth.</i>
  5201.  
  5202. 1159
  5203. 01:16:47,103 --> 01:16:48,202
  5204. <i>A team of scientists</i>
  5205.  
  5206. 1160
  5207. 01:16:48,204 --> 01:16:51,038
  5208. <i>spent more than 800
  5209. hours on the lab work.</i>
  5210.  
  5211. 1161
  5212. 01:16:55,244 --> 01:16:58,846
  5213. They got you chained up
  5214. pretty good there, don't they?
  5215.  
  5216. 1162
  5217. 01:17:00,383 --> 01:17:01,349
  5218. Yeah.
  5219.  
  5220. 1163
  5221. 01:17:01,351 --> 01:17:02,817
  5222. They must be concerned about
  5223.  
  5224. 1164
  5225. 01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:06,020
  5226. whether or not you're
  5227. gonna run off, huh?
  5228.  
  5229. 1165
  5230. 01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:08,656
  5231. I guess so.
  5232.  
  5233. 1166
  5234. 01:17:08,658 --> 01:17:10,858
  5235. You wouldn't
  5236. do that, would you?
  5237.  
  5238. 1167
  5239. 01:17:11,728 --> 01:17:13,194
  5240. Not this time.
  5241.  
  5242. 1168
  5243. 01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:22,803
  5244. Give us a minute, will you, Tom?
  5245.  
  5246. 1169
  5247. 01:17:22,805 --> 01:17:24,171
  5248. Sure.
  5249.  
  5250. 1170
  5251. 01:17:33,016 --> 01:17:36,517
  5252. I'm the lead investigator
  5253. on this case.
  5254.  
  5255. 1171
  5256. 01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:38,452
  5257. I know.
  5258.  
  5259. 1172
  5260. 01:17:38,454 --> 01:17:40,421
  5261. That means you and
  5262. I must've stood
  5263.  
  5264. 1173
  5265. 01:17:40,423 --> 01:17:42,923
  5266. in a lot of the same places.
  5267.  
  5268. 1174
  5269. 01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,559
  5270. I think we stood in every place.
  5271.  
  5272. 1175
  5273. 01:17:45,561 --> 01:17:47,762
  5274. What do you think about that?
  5275.  
  5276. 1176
  5277. 01:17:47,897 --> 01:17:51,532
  5278. You were on one side,
  5279. I was on the other.
  5280.  
  5281. 1177
  5282. 01:17:51,834 --> 01:17:56,671
  5283. Where I killed them, you were
  5284. the one who recovered them.
  5285.  
  5286. 1178
  5287. 01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:58,939
  5288. Now,
  5289.  
  5290. 1179
  5291. 01:17:58,941 --> 01:18:00,441
  5292. finally,
  5293.  
  5294. 1180
  5295. 01:18:00,443 --> 01:18:01,676
  5296. we meet.
  5297.  
  5298. 1181
  5299. 01:18:01,678 --> 01:18:02,910
  5300. Yeah.
  5301.  
  5302. 1182
  5303. 01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:07,882
  5304. I've been working on
  5305. this case a long time.
  5306.  
  5307. 1183
  5308. 01:18:08,751 --> 01:18:12,586
  5309. Looks like I've caused
  5310. you a few gray hairs.
  5311.  
  5312. 1184
  5313. 01:18:13,423 --> 01:18:18,392
  5314. So, Gary, you've been
  5315. pretty forthcoming so far,
  5316.  
  5317. 1185
  5318. 01:18:18,594 --> 01:18:21,929
  5319. but do I know everything
  5320. there is to know?
  5321.  
  5322. 1186
  5323. 01:18:22,031 --> 01:18:24,532
  5324. Yeah, I'm not holding
  5325. anything back.
  5326.  
  5327. 1187
  5328. 01:18:26,636 --> 01:18:28,069
  5329. Can you really
  5330. look me in the eye
  5331.  
  5332. 1188
  5333. 01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:31,639
  5334. and tell me you're not
  5335. holding anything back?
  5336.  
  5337. 1189
  5338. 01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:39,947
  5339. I haven't been, um,
  5340.  
  5341. 1190
  5342. 01:18:39,949 --> 01:18:40,848
  5343. you know--
  5344.  
  5345. 1191
  5346. 01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:44,885
  5347. Wait a minute, your eyes
  5348. are going back and forth.
  5349.  
  5350. 1192
  5351. 01:18:47,423 --> 01:18:48,989
  5352. I'm not lying to you.
  5353.  
  5354. 1193
  5355. 01:18:48,991 --> 01:18:50,591
  5356. Yes, you are.
  5357.  
  5358. 1194
  5359. 01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:52,960
  5360. The thing is, Gary,
  5361.  
  5362. 1195
  5363. 01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:55,596
  5364. you and I can be enemies
  5365.  
  5366. 1196
  5367. 01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:58,299
  5368. or we can be buddies,
  5369.  
  5370. 1197
  5371. 01:18:58,668 --> 01:19:00,935
  5372. that's your choice.
  5373.  
  5374. 1198
  5375. 01:19:00,937 --> 01:19:02,870
  5376. If you're gonna
  5377. keep lying to me,
  5378.  
  5379. 1199
  5380. 01:19:02,872 --> 01:19:04,805
  5381. then we'll be enemies.
  5382.  
  5383. 1200
  5384. 01:19:05,141 --> 01:19:08,642
  5385. So, what you gonna do?
  5386.  
  5387. 1201
  5388. 01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:12,713
  5389. I don't know what you want.
  5390.  
  5391. 1202
  5392. 01:19:12,715 --> 01:19:14,615
  5393. The bodies.
  5394.  
  5395. 1203
  5396. 01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:20,154
  5397. There are more, aren't there?
  5398.  
  5399. 1204
  5400. 01:19:24,961 --> 01:19:26,160
  5401. Yes.
  5402.  
  5403. 1205
  5404. 01:19:27,797 --> 01:19:32,600
  5405. So, how are we
  5406. gonna work together?
  5407.  
  5408. 1206
  5409. 01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:36,036
  5410. You want me to tell
  5411. you where they are?
  5412.  
  5413. 1207
  5414. 01:19:36,038 --> 01:19:37,304
  5415. Yes.
  5416.  
  5417. 1208
  5418. 01:19:37,707 --> 01:19:40,808
  5419. We're gonna find every
  5420. last one of them.
  5421.  
  5422. 1209
  5423. 01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:47,882
  5424. Alright.
  5425.  
  5426. 1210
  5427. 01:19:49,552 --> 01:19:52,953
  5428. My memory is hazy, but I'll try.
  5429.  
  5430. 1211
  5431. 01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:54,221
  5432. Yes, you will.
  5433.  
  5434. 1212
  5435. 01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:22,616
  5436. We should've gotten some
  5437. champagne to celebrate.
  5438.  
  5439. 1213
  5440. 01:20:22,618 --> 01:20:26,787
  5441. That's alright, I'm just happy
  5442. to be here with you both.
  5443.  
  5444. 1214
  5445. 01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:28,856
  5446. How do you feel, Dad?
  5447.  
  5448. 1215
  5449. 01:20:28,858 --> 01:20:30,157
  5450. Relieved.
  5451.  
  5452. 1216
  5453. 01:20:30,393 --> 01:20:34,662
  5454. But the hardest part
  5455. of it all... memories.
  5456.  
  5457. 1217
  5458. 01:20:34,664 --> 01:20:38,833
  5459. You'll get some closure now
  5460. that you've caught the guy.
  5461.  
  5462. 1218
  5463. 01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:45,439
  5464. Yeah, Dad, it's finally over.
  5465.  
  5466. 1219
  5467. 01:21:41,864 --> 01:21:44,565
  5468. Bob, what you doing here?
  5469.  
  5470. 1220
  5471. 01:21:44,567 --> 01:21:47,434
  5472. Thought I'd pay you a visit
  5473. given the recent headlines.
  5474.  
  5475. 1221
  5476. 01:21:47,436 --> 01:21:51,105
  5477. I stopped by the house,
  5478. Sandra said you might be here.
  5479.  
  5480. 1222
  5481. 01:21:51,107 --> 01:21:53,007
  5482. It's good to see you.
  5483.  
  5484. 1223
  5485. 01:21:53,075 --> 01:21:54,508
  5486. Been a while, huh?
  5487.  
  5488. 1224
  5489. 01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:55,943
  5490. Yeah, it has.
  5491.  
  5492. 1225
  5493. 01:21:55,945 --> 01:21:58,178
  5494. I think congratulations
  5495. are in order.
  5496.  
  5497. 1226
  5498. 01:21:58,180 --> 01:22:00,114
  5499. Oh, it was a team game,
  5500.  
  5501. 1227
  5502. 01:22:00,116 --> 01:22:01,582
  5503. you were part of that team,
  5504.  
  5505. 1228
  5506. 01:22:01,584 --> 01:22:03,817
  5507. you should give yourself
  5508. a pat on the back.
  5509.  
  5510. 1229
  5511. 01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:07,688
  5512. I think we can all be thankful
  5513. for the advances in DNA.
  5514.  
  5515. 1230
  5516. 01:22:07,690 --> 01:22:09,189
  5517. True.
  5518.  
  5519. 1231
  5520. 01:22:09,191 --> 01:22:11,258
  5521. So, what now?
  5522.  
  5523. 1232
  5524. 01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:12,726
  5525. Time to move on.
  5526.  
  5527. 1233
  5528. 01:22:12,929 --> 01:22:17,431
  5529. Ridgway's behind bars,
  5530. the healing can begin.
  5531.  
  5532. 1234
  5533. 01:22:19,468 --> 01:22:24,338
  5534. You know, there's one
  5535. thing I keep asking myself.
  5536.  
  5537. 1235
  5538. 01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:27,408
  5539. How do we stop this thing
  5540. from happening again?
  5541.  
  5542. 1236
  5543. 01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:28,542
  5544. There are a multitude of things
  5545.  
  5546. 1237
  5547. 01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:30,644
  5548. we could do to
  5549. make a difference,
  5550.  
  5551. 1238
  5552. 01:22:30,646 --> 01:22:34,214
  5553. greater education from
  5554. a psychology standpoint,
  5555.  
  5556. 1239
  5557. 01:22:34,216 --> 01:22:37,618
  5558. spotting the warning signs
  5559. of psychopathy early on.
  5560.  
  5561. 1240
  5562. 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:40,287
  5563. From a law enforcement
  5564. standpoint, we have
  5565.  
  5566. 1241
  5567. 01:22:40,289 --> 01:22:42,823
  5568. advances in DNA
  5569. and a better network
  5570.  
  5571. 1242
  5572. 01:22:42,825 --> 01:22:45,793
  5573. of communication
  5574. between the agencies.
  5575.  
  5576. 1243
  5577. 01:22:46,028 --> 01:22:50,798
  5578. But, maybe I'm getting
  5579. soft in my old age,
  5580.  
  5581. 1244
  5582. 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,566
  5583. I just can't help
  5584. thinking about it
  5585.  
  5586. 1245
  5587. 01:22:52,568 --> 01:22:54,835
  5588. from a philosophical standpoint.
  5589.  
  5590. 1246
  5591. 01:22:55,237 --> 01:22:56,236
  5592. I'm intrigued.
  5593.  
  5594. 1247
  5595. 01:22:56,238 --> 01:22:59,907
  5596. Well, if those of us who are
  5597. positive in our intentions
  5598.  
  5599. 1248
  5600. 01:22:59,909 --> 01:23:01,976
  5601. spread enough love and light,
  5602.  
  5603. 1249
  5604. 01:23:01,978 --> 01:23:03,877
  5605. maybe there won't
  5606. be so much darkness
  5607.  
  5608. 1250
  5609. 01:23:03,879 --> 01:23:05,012
  5610. for evil to maneuver in.
  5611.  
  5612. 1251
  5613. 01:23:05,014 --> 01:23:08,182
  5614. I never had you down
  5615. as an idealist, Bob.
  5616.  
  5617. 1252
  5618. 01:23:08,184 --> 01:23:10,017
  5619. I never used to be.
  5620.  
  5621. 1253
  5622. 01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:12,987
  5623. But the times, they
  5624. are a changing.
  5625.  
  5626. 1254
  5627. 01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:15,022
  5628. You know what?
  5629.  
  5630. 1255
  5631. 01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:22,563
  5632. I think you're right.
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