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- 1
- 00:01:10,671 --> 00:01:12,471
- Hey, let me get those.
- 2
- 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,572
- It's okay.
- 3
- 00:01:13,574 --> 00:01:15,040
- No, it's cool, I got it.
- 4
- 00:01:15,209 --> 00:01:16,308
- Thanks.
- 5
- 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:18,744
- Yeah, thank you.
- 6
- 00:01:19,513 --> 00:01:23,048
- So, uh, you girls
- at the University?
- 7
- 00:01:23,484 --> 00:01:24,616
- Yeah.
- 8
- 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:26,452
- Most of the people in here are.
- 9
- 00:01:26,454 --> 00:01:29,455
- You're kinda outta the
- usual age range, no?
- 10
- 00:01:29,457 --> 00:01:32,791
- Yeah, well, uh,
- I'm not a student.
- 11
- 00:01:32,927 --> 00:01:35,928
- You don't say?
- 12
- 00:01:36,430 --> 00:01:38,363
- I did go to university,
- 13
- 00:01:38,566 --> 00:01:40,399
- in Washington, in the late '60s.
- 14
- 00:01:40,401 --> 00:01:43,769
- Washington? What are
- you doing out here?
- 15
- 00:01:44,038 --> 00:01:45,304
- Traveling.
- 16
- 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,108
- So, uh, you girls in a sorority?
- 17
- 00:01:49,677 --> 00:01:50,442
- Yeah.
- 18
- 00:01:50,444 --> 00:01:51,810
- Which one?
- 19
- 00:01:52,012 --> 00:01:53,412
- Why do you wanna know?
- 20
- 00:01:53,514 --> 00:01:55,280
- Just making conversation.
- 21
- 00:01:55,282 --> 00:01:56,982
- We're in Chi Omega.
- 22
- 00:01:58,552 --> 00:02:00,018
- Nice.
- 23
- 00:02:00,187 --> 00:02:02,821
- Listen, we were
- just heading home.
- 24
- 00:02:02,823 --> 00:02:04,022
- We were?
- 25
- 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:08,694
- Uh, it was nice to meet you.
- 26
- 00:02:08,863 --> 00:02:10,262
- You girls won't stick around?
- 27
- 00:02:10,264 --> 00:02:11,497
- I'm buying.
- 28
- 00:02:11,499 --> 00:02:13,565
- No, that's fine.
- 29
- 00:02:13,567 --> 00:02:14,867
- Thanks again.
- 30
- 00:05:13,714 --> 00:05:15,514
- Margaret?
- 31
- 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:18,583
- Lisa?
- 32
- 00:07:08,262 --> 00:07:10,929
- So, what have we got?
- 33
- 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:12,130
- Female.
- 34
- 00:07:12,132 --> 00:07:14,433
- I'd say she's about 16 or 17.
- 35
- 00:07:14,868 --> 00:07:16,034
- Christ.
- 36
- 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,114
- Ligature marks
- around the throat,
- 37
- 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:33,185
- no defensive wounds
- on the hands,
- 38
- 00:07:33,887 --> 00:07:36,588
- maybe she was taken by surprise.
- 39
- 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:39,558
- Perhaps approached from behind.
- 40
- 00:07:39,726 --> 00:07:42,627
- She's been in the
- water for a while.
- 41
- 00:08:05,552 --> 00:08:06,918
- Hey.
- 42
- 00:08:06,987 --> 00:08:08,653
- Hey, honey.
- 43
- 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:16,495
- Oh.
- 44
- 00:08:17,865 --> 00:08:19,531
- Tough day, huh?
- 45
- 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:21,266
- You could say that.
- 46
- 00:08:21,902 --> 00:08:22,634
- Deb home?
- 47
- 00:08:22,636 --> 00:08:24,569
- Yeah, she's upstairs.
- 48
- 00:08:24,571 --> 00:08:28,173
- Tell her dinner will
- be ready in half hour.
- 49
- 00:08:38,986 --> 00:08:40,185
- Yeah?
- 50
- 00:08:43,524 --> 00:08:44,756
- Hey, Dad.
- 51
- 00:08:45,692 --> 00:08:48,059
- Hey, how was school today?
- 52
- 00:08:48,262 --> 00:08:49,594
- Ah, you know, the usual.
- 53
- 00:08:49,596 --> 00:08:51,897
- A main course of
- government propaganda
- 54
- 00:08:51,899 --> 00:08:53,198
- with a side of condescension.
- 55
- 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,735
- You don't say things like
- that to your teachers, do you?
- 56
- 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:57,936
- No.
- 57
- 00:08:57,938 --> 00:09:00,338
- I toe the line like a good girl.
- 58
- 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:02,507
- Thank you.
- 59
- 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:13,518
- You okay, Dad?
- 60
- 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,021
- Um, yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
- 61
- 00:09:16,023 --> 00:09:19,424
- Your mother said dinner
- will be ready in half hour.
- 62
- 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:21,459
- Cool, thanks.
- 63
- 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:34,339
- Mm, that's nice.
- 64
- 00:09:34,341 --> 00:09:36,241
- It's so good.
- 65
- 00:09:37,644 --> 00:09:38,376
- Water?
- 66
- 00:09:38,378 --> 00:09:39,444
- - Mm.
- - Did you make this
- 67
- 00:09:39,446 --> 00:09:40,478
- from the box again?
- 68
- 00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:42,814
- - How did you know?
- - 'Cause it's really good.
- 69
- 00:09:42,816 --> 00:09:43,682
- Cheeky.
- 70
- 00:09:43,684 --> 00:09:45,050
- And it's better than
- your other one.
- 71
- 00:09:45,052 --> 00:09:46,484
- - Don't be so cheeky.
- - Better than my other one?
- 72
- 00:09:46,486 --> 00:09:47,118
- Mm-hmm.
- 73
- 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,520
- I don't know.
- 74
- 00:09:51,992 --> 00:09:53,024
- So...
- 75
- 00:09:53,026 --> 00:09:54,259
- Mm-hmm?
- 76
- 00:09:54,261 --> 00:09:55,694
- What's happened today?
- 77
- 00:09:55,696 --> 00:09:59,798
- Well, you've got a funny
- story about Mrs. Appleby,
- 78
- 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:00,532
- don't you?
- 79
- 00:10:01,435 --> 00:10:03,802
- I think she stole the
- other neighbor's baby.
- 80
- 00:10:03,804 --> 00:10:04,703
- What?
- 81
- 00:10:04,705 --> 00:10:08,073
- Yeah, 'cause I heard crying
- coming from her house.
- 82
- 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,142
- Maybe it was her granddaughter.
- 83
- 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:16,982
- Hello?
- 84
- 00:10:16,984 --> 00:10:18,950
- <i> It's Tom, sorry</i>
- <i>to bother you at home,</i>
- 85
- 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:21,186
- <i>but you need to hear this.</i>
- 86
- 00:10:21,188 --> 00:10:22,120
- What is it?
- 87
- 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:23,755
- <i>We found three more.</i>
- 88
- 00:10:23,757 --> 00:10:24,923
- Three more?
- 89
- 00:10:24,925 --> 00:10:25,924
- <i>Bodies.</i>
- 90
- 00:10:25,926 --> 00:10:28,393
- <i>In the Green River.</i>
- 91
- 00:11:03,697 --> 00:11:05,030
- The ligature marks to the neck
- 92
- 00:11:05,032 --> 00:11:07,365
- are consistent with an
- approach from behind.
- 93
- 00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:09,701
- All the victims share
- the same features,
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- 00:11:09,703 --> 00:11:10,769
- the ligature marks,
- 95
- 00:11:10,771 --> 00:11:13,338
- no defensive wounds
- to the hands or arms,
- 96
- 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:15,707
- all had recently had sex.
- 97
- 00:11:15,876 --> 00:11:18,076
- Both the missing women
- worked as prostitutes.
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- 00:11:18,078 --> 00:11:21,146
- They were last seen at the
- SeaTac strip, near the airport.
- 99
- 00:11:21,148 --> 00:11:25,183
- Looks like we have a
- serial killer on our hands.
- 100
- 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,219
- This isn't random opportunism.
- 101
- 00:11:28,221 --> 00:11:30,655
- If all the victims share
- the same profession,
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- 00:11:30,657 --> 00:11:32,624
- the killer's
- cruising prostitutes.
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- 00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,459
- These women came
- with him willingly.
- 104
- 00:11:34,461 --> 00:11:36,828
- He may well be a regular
- down on the strip.
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- 00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:38,797
- Considering the lack
- of defensive marks
- 106
- 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:40,765
- and recent sexual activity,
- 107
- 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:43,134
- the women could've been
- killed post-coitus,
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- 00:11:43,136 --> 00:11:45,603
- or even mid-coitus.
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- 00:11:45,605 --> 00:11:48,640
- Clear signs of
- sexual motivation.
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- 00:11:49,576 --> 00:11:51,609
- We've had calls from the press.
- 111
- 00:11:51,611 --> 00:11:53,211
- This is gonna be big news.
- 112
- 00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:55,380
- You wanna handle the briefing?
- 113
- 00:11:55,849 --> 00:11:57,048
- Sure.
- 114
- 00:11:59,986 --> 00:12:01,853
- Have you
- put any surveillance
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- 00:12:01,855 --> 00:12:03,655
- on the SeaTac strip?
- 116
- 00:12:04,558 --> 00:12:06,858
- No, not at this stage.
- 117
- 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:10,695
- How many officers have you
- put onto the task force?
- 118
- 00:12:10,697 --> 00:12:14,699
- Um, that number I cannot
- tell you right now.
- 119
- 00:12:15,635 --> 00:12:16,901
- We'll get back to you on that.
- 120
- 00:12:16,903 --> 00:12:20,672
- How much is this
- going to cost the taxpayer?
- 121
- 00:12:20,674 --> 00:12:22,407
- I can't answer that.
- 122
- 00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:23,108
- Next.
- 123
- 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:25,744
- Is there any truth to the rumor
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- 00:12:25,746 --> 00:12:28,213
- that the police are not
- taking this seriously
- 125
- 00:12:28,215 --> 00:12:30,081
- because it involves prostitutes?
- 126
- 00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:33,118
- No, there
- is no truth in that.
- 127
- 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:33,918
- Anyone else?
- 128
- 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,755
- Well, do you have any suspects?
- 129
- 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,795
- No, no, no.
- 130
- 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:47,599
- Are we done?
- 131
- 00:12:49,002 --> 00:12:50,502
- Thank you for coming.
- 132
- 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:51,269
- Thank you.
- 133
- 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,952
- Yeah.
- 134
- 00:13:10,157 --> 00:13:11,956
- Detective Richards?
- 135
- 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:13,658
- Yes.
- 136
- 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:14,526
- I'm Bob Keller,
- 137
- 00:13:14,528 --> 00:13:17,362
- I work with the FBI
- Behavioral Science Unit.
- 138
- 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:18,897
- Come in.
- 139
- 00:13:28,575 --> 00:13:32,544
- So, what brings
- you to Green River?
- 140
- 00:13:33,980 --> 00:13:35,547
- I saw the press conference.
- 141
- 00:13:35,549 --> 00:13:37,048
- I thought maybe I could help.
- 142
- 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:40,118
- You gonna help me improve
- my public relations skills?
- 143
- 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,253
- You know what we do at the
- Behavioral Science Unit,
- 144
- 00:13:42,255 --> 00:13:43,855
- Detective Richards?
- 145
- 00:13:43,957 --> 00:13:45,990
- I'm vaguely familiar.
- 146
- 00:13:47,294 --> 00:13:48,827
- Call me David.
- 147
- 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:50,295
- Okay, David.
- 148
- 00:13:50,297 --> 00:13:52,997
- We develop and provide
- programs of training,
- 149
- 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:54,098
- research, and consultation
- 150
- 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,700
- in the behavioral
- and social sciences
- 151
- 00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:58,670
- for the FBI and law
- enforcement community.
- 152
- 00:13:58,672 --> 00:14:00,805
- If you don't catch
- this killer quick,
- 153
- 00:14:00,807 --> 00:14:04,042
- dealing with the press
- isn't gonna get any easier.
- 154
- 00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:05,710
- Well, I've set up a task force,
- 155
- 00:14:05,712 --> 00:14:09,147
- led by myself and
- Detective Tom Johnson.
- 156
- 00:14:09,149 --> 00:14:11,583
- We've had confirmation
- all of the victims
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- 00:14:11,585 --> 00:14:15,053
- frequented an area
- known for prostitution.
- 158
- 00:14:15,322 --> 00:14:17,655
- It's likely the killer is
- a regular visitor there,
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- 00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:21,292
- so we're staking it out, as
- well as the Green River itself.
- 160
- 00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:24,395
- But it may make it easier to
- identify the killer's habits
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- 00:14:24,397 --> 00:14:27,232
- if we formed a
- psychological profile.
- 162
- 00:14:27,234 --> 00:14:29,801
- And that's something
- I can help you with.
- 163
- 00:14:32,439 --> 00:14:33,605
- Sure.
- 164
- 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:41,179
- Have you ever had
- any direct experience
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- 00:14:41,181 --> 00:14:42,447
- with a serial killer,
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- 00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:45,383
- beyond just consulting
- on the case files?
- 167
- 00:14:45,719 --> 00:14:46,517
- I have.
- 168
- 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:49,587
- Back in '74, I was a rookie
- detective in King County.
- 169
- 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:53,658
- Two girls disappeared from
- Lake Sammamish State Park
- 170
- 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:55,126
- and several of us were assigned
- 171
- 00:14:55,128 --> 00:14:57,061
- to assist the Issaquah Police.
- 172
- 00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:59,264
- I became part of a task force.
- 173
- 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:00,298
- We identified Ted Bundy
- 174
- 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,001
- as the main suspect
- in the murders.
- 175
- 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:05,670
- You came face to face with him?
- 176
- 00:15:05,672 --> 00:15:06,471
- Yeah,
- 177
- 00:15:06,473 --> 00:15:08,206
- I sat in on one of
- his first interviews
- 178
- 00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:09,774
- after he was arrested.
- 179
- 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:12,744
- What was he like?
- 180
- 00:15:13,179 --> 00:15:18,283
- On the surface, very
- articulate, always polite.
- 181
- 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:21,886
- In many ways, he reminded
- me of a politician.
- 182
- 00:15:21,888 --> 00:15:22,820
- Smart appearance
- 183
- 00:15:22,822 --> 00:15:25,490
- and he knew how to dance
- around the tough questions
- 184
- 00:15:25,492 --> 00:15:28,693
- and divert the conversation
- towards his own agenda.
- 185
- 00:15:28,695 --> 00:15:30,528
- But you saw through it?
- 186
- 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:34,365
- I realized I had a nose
- for this kind of thing.
- 187
- 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:38,303
- I knew the moment he sat
- down in that interview room,
- 188
- 00:15:38,305 --> 00:15:41,306
- he was wearing a mask of sanity.
- 189
- 00:15:42,342 --> 00:15:44,976
- I saw the truth
- behind those eyes.
- 190
- 00:15:44,978 --> 00:15:47,545
- He's on death row now, right?
- 191
- 00:15:49,416 --> 00:15:50,214
- Yeah.
- 192
- 00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:51,649
- Actually, I've interviewed him
- several times
- 193
- 00:15:51,651 --> 00:15:52,951
- since he was convicted.
- 194
- 00:15:52,953 --> 00:15:54,986
- There are lots of murders
- he hasn't confessed to
- 195
- 00:15:54,988 --> 00:15:57,822
- and bodies which
- we never recovered.
- 196
- 00:15:57,891 --> 00:15:59,958
- I think he will only
- give up the information
- 197
- 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,560
- if he can get
- something out of it,
- 198
- 00:16:02,562 --> 00:16:04,896
- like a reprieve from execution.
- 199
- 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:09,667
- Ironically, for a man who dealt
- out so much death to others,
- 200
- 00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:11,069
- he fears dying.
- 201
- 00:16:11,604 --> 00:16:15,540
- So, what are your
- thoughts on this one, Bob?
- 202
- 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:18,176
- Can you help us build a profile?
- 203
- 00:16:20,347 --> 00:16:21,879
- I'd say so.
- 204
- 00:16:25,285 --> 00:16:27,352
- Obviously, the first
- determination
- 205
- 00:16:27,354 --> 00:16:28,419
- is that these murders
- 206
- 00:16:28,421 --> 00:16:31,856
- were very likely the
- work of one person.
- 207
- 00:16:32,092 --> 00:16:35,593
- The same modus operandi
- was employed in each death,
- 208
- 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:36,928
- and body clusters often suggest
- 209
- 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:39,998
- that one individual
- is responsible.
- 210
- 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:42,867
- He has familiarity
- with the Green River
- 211
- 00:16:42,869 --> 00:16:44,736
- and surrounding area.
- 212
- 00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:46,671
- This suggests a local man.
- 213
- 00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:49,741
- He was likely raised in a
- family with marital discord
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- 00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,876
- and physically and
- emotionally abused.
- 215
- 00:16:51,878 --> 00:16:55,213
- Possibly even strict religious
- or puritanical morals
- 216
- 00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:57,949
- imposed by one or both parents.
- 217
- 00:16:58,618 --> 00:17:03,588
- I'd say he's currently between
- his mid-20s and mid-30s.
- 218
- 00:17:03,957 --> 00:17:06,124
- Given that all
- the victims so far
- 219
- 00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:07,792
- have worked in prostitution,
- 220
- 00:17:07,794 --> 00:17:09,060
- we can assume that the killer
- 221
- 00:17:09,062 --> 00:17:11,763
- has frequented the red light
- district for sexual encounters
- 222
- 00:17:11,765 --> 00:17:14,766
- which didn't always
- end in murder.
- 223
- 00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:18,970
- However, there will
- likely be self-loathing
- 224
- 00:17:18,972 --> 00:17:20,571
- as a result of these encounters,
- 225
- 00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:24,142
- and it may trigger his
- deep-seated hatred of women.
- 226
- 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:27,545
- Murderers who strangle often
- speak of an intimate connection
- 227
- 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:30,615
- they feel with the
- victim as they die.
- 228
- 00:17:30,817 --> 00:17:31,983
- It's twisted to you and I,
- 229
- 00:17:31,985 --> 00:17:34,886
- but this man may feel
- at his most alive
- 230
- 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:36,788
- when he's causing death.
- 231
- 00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:39,957
- That's why I know
- he'll strike again.
- 232
- 00:17:39,959 --> 00:17:43,194
- Every day, he deals with
- the scars of childhood,
- 233
- 00:17:43,196 --> 00:17:47,598
- poor relationships, and a
- generally unremarkable life.
- 234
- 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,667
- That buzz he gets from killing,
- 235
- 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:53,771
- he'll seek it out at every
- opportunity available to him.
- 236
- 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:25,803
- Strangulation,
- same as the others.
- 237
- 00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:27,672
- How old is she?
- 238
- 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:29,974
- I'd say she's in her 30s.
- 239
- 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,642
- They've all varied in age.
- 240
- 00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:35,646
- It's clear that isn't a
- factor when selecting victims.
- 241
- 00:18:36,015 --> 00:18:38,649
- I bet this one
- works the strip too.
- 242
- 00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:40,551
- She's been posed
- very deliberately.
- 243
- 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:44,188
- There's fish and a wine
- bottle entwined with her body.
- 244
- 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:45,923
- They weren't placed by accident.
- 245
- 00:18:45,925 --> 00:18:48,226
- He didn't do that with
- any of the other victims.
- 246
- 00:18:48,228 --> 00:18:50,194
- Could be some kind
- of religious motive?
- 247
- 00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:52,497
- That ties in with the
- strict religious parents
- 248
- 00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:54,732
- you mentioned in
- the briefing, Bob.
- 249
- 00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:55,733
- Could be,
- 250
- 00:18:55,735 --> 00:18:57,502
- could also be game-playing.
- 251
- 00:18:57,637 --> 00:18:58,536
- How do you mean?
- 252
- 00:18:58,538 --> 00:19:00,705
- He watches the news
- like everybody else,
- 253
- 00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,006
- he could be sending us a message
- 254
- 00:19:02,008 --> 00:19:05,376
- or having a personal
- joke on our expense.
- 255
- 00:19:05,378 --> 00:19:07,912
- She was stripped
- naked like the others,
- 256
- 00:19:07,914 --> 00:19:08,913
- but they found her dress
- 257
- 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:10,781
- just a few yards
- down the riverbank.
- 258
- 00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:12,683
- We bagged it and took it in.
- 259
- 00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:15,119
- No sign of any
- other items so far.
- 260
- 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:17,255
- Is he getting sloppy?
- 261
- 00:19:17,257 --> 00:19:18,489
- Maybe.
- 262
- 00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,424
- Or, like I said,
- he's taunting us.
- 263
- 00:19:20,426 --> 00:19:22,994
- Catch me if you
- can, so to speak.
- 264
- 00:19:42,782 --> 00:19:44,282
- Do you
- have any suspects?
- 265
- 00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:45,283
- Out of the way, please.
- 266
- 00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:46,617
- Have you
- made any arrests?
- 267
- 00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:47,451
- No comment.
- 268
- 00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:48,653
- Nothing to say at this stage.
- 269
- 00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:50,021
- How many
- more are gonna die?
- 270
- 00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:50,888
- Out of the way, please.
- 271
- 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:51,622
- Excuse me.
- 272
- 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:52,223
- Excuse me.
- 273
- 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,797
- <i> In Seattle,</i>
- <i>another grim discovery today</i>
- 274
- 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:03,301
- <i>that could be connected to the
- string of Green River murders</i>
- 275
- 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,570
- <i>that have shaken
- that West Coast city.</i>
- 276
- 00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:08,573
- <i>Explorer scouts today
- found a fourth skull</i>
- 277
- 00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,541
- <i>off in a wooded
- area outside of town</i>
- 278
- 00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:13,878
- <i>where three other skeletons
- were discovered this weekend.</i>
- 279
- 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,782
- <i>Most of the victims have
- been young prostitutes.</i>
- 280
- 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:21,052
- So, Sandra, how did
- you and Dave meet?
- 281
- 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,854
- We actually went to
- the same high school,
- 282
- 00:20:23,856 --> 00:20:25,690
- but we didn't really meet there.
- 283
- 00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:29,126
- I used to see her in the
- stands at the football games.
- 284
- 00:20:29,128 --> 00:20:30,328
- I found it quite distracting,
- 285
- 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:33,397
- pretty sure I missed a few
- catches because of her.
- 286
- 00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:35,199
- Yeah, right.
- 287
- 00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:39,737
- Anyway, um, I worked after
- school at the local library,
- 288
- 00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,939
- my mom worked there for
- years, so she got me a job.
- 289
- 00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,708
- It was just around the
- corner from my house,
- 290
- 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:47,745
- so I'd go in every day after
- school,
- 291
- 00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:48,946
- check out some books.
- 292
- 00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:52,717
- I'd find pretty much any
- excuse to talk to her.
- 293
- 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,153
- About... after two months,
- 294
- 00:20:56,155 --> 00:20:59,757
- Dave had this huge
- stack of overdue books.
- 295
- 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,727
- I liked talking to him, so
- I didn't wanna remind him,
- 296
- 00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:05,896
- and, um, then he
- realized on his own
- 297
- 00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,766
- and brought in this
- big stack of books.
- 298
- 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,102
- And I told him I would
- get rid of the fees
- 299
- 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:14,305
- if he took me out to
- dinner, which he did,
- 300
- 00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:16,207
- and here we are.
- 301
- 00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:18,109
- What a great story.
- 302
- 00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:20,011
- Are you married, Bob?
- 303
- 00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:21,646
- I was...
- 304
- 00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:23,447
- to Kathleen.
- 305
- 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:27,818
- She died a year ago, cancer.
- 306
- 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:31,055
- Oh, god, I'm so sorry.
- 307
- 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,632
- Hey, Deb?
- 308
- 00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:44,969
- What was that about?
- 309
- 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:45,836
- I don't know.
- 310
- 00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:47,772
- Do you want me to
- go talk to her?
- 311
- 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:48,906
- No,
- 312
- 00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:49,940
- no,
- 313
- 00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:51,142
- I'll go.
- 314
- 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,144
- Excuse me.
- 315
- 00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:00,184
- What?
- 316
- 00:22:02,088 --> 00:22:03,387
- You okay?
- 317
- 00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:05,156
- Not really.
- 318
- 00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:07,858
- Have I done something wrong?
- 319
- 00:22:11,531 --> 00:22:16,600
- I'm sorry, it's just, I
- was at a party earlier,
- 320
- 00:22:16,602 --> 00:22:19,337
- some guys started saying things.
- 321
- 00:22:19,639 --> 00:22:21,205
- About what?
- 322
- 00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,075
- You.
- 323
- 00:22:24,577 --> 00:22:26,410
- What did they say?
- 324
- 00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,414
- They said everyone in town
- 325
- 00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,783
- knows you're
- messing up the case.
- 326
- 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,052
- Some of them said
- that their parents
- 327
- 00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:38,889
- watch you on the news
- and call you names.
- 328
- 00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:40,858
- What kinda names?
- 329
- 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:44,195
- They say you
- don't have any balls,
- 330
- 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:50,234
- and that you're too weak
- to catch the killer.
- 331
- 00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:57,408
- I'm sorry you had to hear that.
- 332
- 00:22:58,478 --> 00:22:59,677
- I know it's not your fault,
- 333
- 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,346
- I'm sorry for getting
- mad, it's just--
- 334
- 00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:06,317
- You have every
- right to be annoyed.
- 335
- 00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:10,354
- It's my job, you
- didn't ask for this.
- 336
- 00:23:11,824 --> 00:23:14,925
- It's not just your job
- though, is it, Dad?
- 337
- 00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:18,429
- What do you mean?
- 338
- 00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:19,930
- It's your life.
- 339
- 00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:22,566
- You and your mother are my life.
- 340
- 00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:23,667
- But we have to share you
- 341
- 00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:27,571
- with all of the criminals in
- this little part of the world.
- 342
- 00:23:27,974 --> 00:23:30,508
- They get more of
- your time than we do.
- 343
- 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:35,346
- I'm sorry, Deb, I'll try to
- make more time for us.
- 344
- 00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:38,449
- Okay.
- 345
- 00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,618
- Okay.
- 346
- 00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,498
- <i> He's been</i>
- <i>called the Green River Killer</i>
- 347
- 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,401
- <i>ever since the first
- bodies, five of them,</i>
- 348
- 00:23:57,403 --> 00:23:58,702
- <i>were pulled from this river.</i>
- 349
- 00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:02,339
- You know, this issue with the
- press isn't gonna go away.
- 350
- 00:24:02,341 --> 00:24:04,375
- I didn't have any
- new information,
- 351
- 00:24:04,377 --> 00:24:07,311
- there was no point
- talking to them.
- 352
- 00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,580
- But we did get
- something new today.
- 353
- 00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:10,915
- Nothing to leak
- to the press yet,
- 354
- 00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:13,217
- but it could change how
- you deal with the media.
- 355
- 00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:16,520
- The posing of the body
- with the wine and the fish?
- 356
- 00:24:16,522 --> 00:24:17,321
- Yeah.
- 357
- 00:24:17,323 --> 00:24:19,657
- That wasn't part of
- his modus operandi
- 358
- 00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:21,125
- with previous victims.
- 359
- 00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:23,494
- That was his way of
- engaging with us,
- 360
- 00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:25,262
- or, more to the point, you.
- 361
- 00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:28,466
- It's like he's saying, "This
- is my banquet, Detective."
- 362
- 00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:32,570
- You really think he sat at
- home watching the news reports?
- 363
- 00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:33,437
- Of course.
- 364
- 00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:36,507
- Narcissism is one of the
- symptoms of psychopathy,
- 365
- 00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:37,975
- that's the dichotomy.
- 366
- 00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:39,877
- Damaged self-esteem
- on the one hand,
- 367
- 00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:44,648
- but also a grandiose sense of
- self-importance on the other.
- 368
- 00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:46,350
- In the killer's head,
- 369
- 00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:49,587
- this murder spree may
- be the ultimate game.
- 370
- 00:24:49,589 --> 00:24:51,155
- Now you're his main opponent.
- 371
- 00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:54,592
- Sun Tzu, the Chinese general
- who wrote "The Art of War",
- 372
- 00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:58,863
- he said, "If you're
- far from your enemy,
- 373
- 00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:01,565
- "make him believe you're near."
- 374
- 00:25:04,437 --> 00:25:06,437
- Just something to keep in mind.
- 375
- 00:25:16,349 --> 00:25:19,583
- As you know, we've
- discovered another body.
- 376
- 00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:22,753
- I won't be taking
- any questions today,
- 377
- 00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:25,022
- I just came to say one thing.
- 378
- 00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:28,192
- I wanna talk directly
- to the killer.
- 379
- 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,799
- I know you're out there,
- 380
- 00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,202
- watching this,
- 381
- 00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:41,572
- I don't need profilers
- and psychiatrists
- 382
- 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:45,676
- to tell me you're a
- sick son of a bitch.
- 383
- 00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:47,311
- You're not even a man,
- 384
- 00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,548
- I doubt you have the
- equipment for it.
- 385
- 00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:52,449
- <i>You're a demented pervert</i>
- 386
- 00:25:52,451 --> 00:25:54,418
- <i>who doesn't deserve to
- breathe the same air</i>
- 387
- 00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:58,222
- <i>as the people you have
- so callously murdered.</i>
- 388
- 00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,959
- You are gutless, pathetic,
- 389
- 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,060
- and when your luck runs out,
- 390
- 00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,396
- and make no mistake, it will,
- 391
- 00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:07,298
- <i>I'll be right there
- to take you down,</i>
- 392
- 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,700
- <i>you got that, you
- piece of?</i>
- 393
- 00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:12,570
- That's a promise from me to you.
- 394
- 00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:15,739
- Thank you.
- 395
- 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:20,544
- Hey, slugger.
- 396
- 00:26:20,546 --> 00:26:21,712
- How was school today?
- 397
- 00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:22,947
- Good.
- 398
- 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,281
- He made you this.
- 399
- 00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,050
- <i> ...Began in</i>
- <i>the summer of 1982,</i>
- 400
- 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,651
- <i>and since then, an
- army of detectives</i>
- 401
- 00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,853
- <i>and a multimillion-dollar
- computer system</i>
- 402
- 00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:31,922
- <i>have been unable to
- track the killer.</i>
- 403
- 00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:32,823
- Thank you.
- 404
- 00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:34,558
- <i>It is a familiar routine,</i>
- 405
- 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,393
- <i>for the Green River Task
- Force sifting through</i>
- 406
- 00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:37,995
- <i>any remaining
- evidence on the site</i>
- 407
- 00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:41,865
- <i>where someone had stumbled
- across human remains.</i>
- 408
- 00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:02,853
- Your office forwarded this.
- 409
- 00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:06,924
- You haven't been demoted
- to mailman already,
- 410
- 00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:07,891
- have you, Tom?
- 411
- 00:27:07,893 --> 00:27:09,593
- If we don't
- catch this prick soon,
- 412
- 00:27:09,595 --> 00:27:10,995
- maybe I will be.
- 413
- 00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:26,510
- Oh my god.
- 414
- 00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:31,215
- <i> Dearest Bob.</i>
- 415
- 00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,984
- <i>It has been the better
- part of two years</i>
- 416
- 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,552
- <i>since we've corresponded,</i>
- 417
- 00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:38,622
- <i>and I must admit,
- I've missed it.</i>
- 418
- 00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:40,190
- <i>I've followed,
- with great interest,</i>
- 419
- 00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:43,727
- <i>the case of "The Riverman",
- and see from the news reports</i>
- 420
- 00:27:43,729 --> 00:27:47,364
- <i>that you are advising
- the task force.</i>
- 421
- 00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:49,400
- <i>I recently saw a press
- conference</i>
- 422
- 00:27:49,402 --> 00:27:51,135
- <i>with Detective Richards.</i>
- 423
- 00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:54,271
- <i>Not the usual police
- officer, is he?</i>
- 424
- 00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:57,775
- <i>He seems to be taking
- it quite personally.</i>
- 425
- 00:27:58,077 --> 00:27:59,176
- <i>As you know,</i>
- 426
- 00:27:59,178 --> 00:28:04,348
- <i>I have some experience in The
- Riverman's field of expertise.</i>
- 427
- 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,884
- <i>I believe I can help you.</i>
- 428
- 00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,585
- <i>If you have the
- time to visit me,</i>
- 429
- 00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:12,389
- <i>along with Detective
- Richards, please do.</i>
- 430
- 00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:15,325
- <i>Time for me is running out,</i>
- 431
- 00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:18,996
- <i>I would like to make
- use of what remains.</i>
- 432
- 00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:24,601
- <i>Kind regards, your old
- friend, Theodore Bundy.</i>
- 433
- 00:28:26,906 --> 00:28:29,373
- David, your thoughts?
- 434
- 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:32,242
- Well, the key question is,
- 435
- 00:28:32,244 --> 00:28:34,845
- could he actually help
- the investigation,
- 436
- 00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:38,549
- or would he be leading
- us on some circle jerk
- 437
- 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:40,417
- for his own amusement?
- 438
- 00:28:40,753 --> 00:28:43,387
- He has an agenda,
- he always does.
- 439
- 00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:46,156
- What's his agenda
- here? To buy time?
- 440
- 00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:47,257
- Yeah, I'd say so.
- 441
- 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:50,961
- Like he says in his letter,
- time is running out for him.
- 442
- 00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:52,563
- He'll do everything he can
- 443
- 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,264
- to court favor with
- the authorities
- 444
- 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:56,800
- and get a reprieve
- from execution.
- 445
- 00:28:58,204 --> 00:29:02,673
- What's it like coming face to
- face with someone like that?
- 446
- 00:29:02,675 --> 00:29:05,843
- Maybe you need to
- find out for yourself.
- 447
- 00:29:05,845 --> 00:29:06,844
- At some point,
- 448
- 00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,012
- you're gonna be face to face
- with the Green River Killer.
- 449
- 00:29:09,014 --> 00:29:10,948
- After you meet Ted Bundy,
- 450
- 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:14,017
- evil will no longer
- be a mystery to you.
- 451
- 00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:23,894
- What?
- 452
- 00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:27,131
- Two days talking to
- a madman in Florida?
- 453
- 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,967
- Don't you have enough
- to deal with right now?
- 454
- 00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:32,336
- It might be a complete
- waste of time,
- 455
- 00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:36,673
- or it could help with the
- investigation, who knows,
- 456
- 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,910
- but we have no suspects yet,
- 457
- 00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,613
- I have to try everything I can.
- 458
- 00:29:45,251 --> 00:29:48,051
- I just worry about
- you, that's all.
- 459
- 00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:50,320
- It'll be fine.
- 460
- 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:52,689
- Come here.
- 461
- 00:30:06,071 --> 00:30:07,871
- Where are you going?
- 462
- 00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:09,506
- I've got a few errands to run.
- 463
- 00:30:09,508 --> 00:30:13,143
- Well, you know you're
- looking after Adam tonight.
- 464
- 00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,846
- How come?
- 465
- 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:22,986
- I've got a dinner with
- Amy and the girls.
- 466
- 00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:28,859
- It's her birthday, I told
- you about this weeks ago.
- 467
- 00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:34,364
- What's the matter?
- 468
- 00:30:37,102 --> 00:30:39,236
- What's the matter?
- 469
- 00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,341
- I've got something
- important to do.
- 470
- 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,376
- It's been playing
- on my mind all week,
- 471
- 00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:49,446
- I need to take
- care of it tonight.
- 472
- 00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:53,283
- Come on, Gary, I
- had my plans first.
- 473
- 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,351
- If you have to leave the house,
- 474
- 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,687
- can't you take Adam with you?
- 475
- 00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:10,067
- I guess so.
- 476
- 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:12,369
- Thank you.
- 477
- 00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,773
- I'll be home around 11.
- 478
- 00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:19,142
- Alright.
- 479
- 00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:58,849
- Dad, where are we going?
- 480
- 00:31:58,851 --> 00:32:03,453
- I gotta pick up a friend of
- mine, drop her off somewhere.
- 481
- 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,556
- Hello, Bob.
- 482
- 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:41,992
- Ted.
- 483
- 00:32:57,242 --> 00:32:58,842
- Long time no see.
- 484
- 00:33:00,045 --> 00:33:01,678
- It's been a while.
- 485
- 00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:06,717
- And this must be the
- famous Detective Richards.
- 486
- 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:22,866
- As always, Ted, we'll
- be recording this.
- 487
- 00:33:23,569 --> 00:33:24,935
- Of course.
- 488
- 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:33,877
- It's the 2nd of September,
- approximately 9:30 p.m.,
- 489
- 00:33:33,879 --> 00:33:35,912
- at Florida State Prison.
- 490
- 00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:38,749
- This is a tape-recorded
- interview with Bob Keller,
- 491
- 00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:41,451
- David Richards, and Ted Bundy.
- 492
- 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:45,789
- So, Ted, would
- you like to begin?
- 493
- 00:33:46,091 --> 00:33:47,758
- Well, this is just
- 494
- 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,029
- sort of a spontaneous
- dialogue we're having here.
- 495
- 00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:55,999
- I'm not approaching it
- in any organized fashion.
- 496
- 00:33:56,168 --> 00:34:00,003
- I don't even know if I can
- be of any real assistance.
- 497
- 00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:01,972
- You're the detectives after all.
- 498
- 00:34:01,974 --> 00:34:05,242
- We'd value any
- insights you may have.
- 499
- 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,645
- Well, did you bring a
- copy of the case file?
- 500
- 00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:12,449
- Um, I'm not sure it would
- be ethical to give you--
- 501
- 00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:13,984
- It's fine.
- 502
- 00:34:45,317 --> 00:34:48,952
- The Riverman enjoys easy prey.
- 503
- 00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:50,554
- The victims?
- 504
- 00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:51,354
- Yes.
- 505
- 00:34:51,356 --> 00:34:54,224
- Prostitutes are low risk.
- 506
- 00:34:54,226 --> 00:34:55,826
- Not many people would miss them.
- 507
- 00:34:55,828 --> 00:34:59,496
- Who would you consider
- to be high-risk prey?
- 508
- 00:34:59,932 --> 00:35:02,265
- Well, people who
- work normal jobs,
- 509
- 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:05,335
- have families, social circles,
- 510
- 00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:07,537
- people who are noticed.
- 511
- 00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:09,973
- You know,
- 512
- 00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:11,942
- with all the slasher movies
- being made at the moment,
- 513
- 00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:15,612
- you should stake out the car
- parks of the movie theaters.
- 514
- 00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:19,382
- I am sure you'd find many
- serial killers of the future,
- 515
- 00:35:19,384 --> 00:35:23,487
- people who go to those films
- to fuel their fantasies.
- 516
- 00:35:23,722 --> 00:35:26,723
- When I was a kid, I just
- had the detective magazines.
- 517
- 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,024
- I don't think staking out
- 518
- 00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:30,594
- thousands of movie
- theaters is practical,
- 519
- 00:35:30,596 --> 00:35:32,195
- given the limited
- numbers of police
- 520
- 00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,364
- we can assign to the case.
- 521
- 00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:35,565
- Perhaps not.
- 522
- 00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:38,168
- But you could stake
- out his old dump sites.
- 523
- 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,837
- You mean where he
- left the bodies?
- 524
- 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,005
- Yes.
- 525
- 00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:43,306
- He'll return to them.
- 526
- 00:35:43,308 --> 00:35:46,042
- He's going back to
- check out the scene
- 527
- 00:35:46,044 --> 00:35:48,078
- and see the
- condition of the body
- 528
- 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,446
- after it's been
- there for a while,
- 529
- 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:54,784
- for, uh, well, whatever kick
- he might get out of that.
- 530
- 00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:56,153
- Necrophilia?
- 531
- 00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:57,888
- Look, what he's
- doing is not normal,
- 532
- 00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:01,024
- so you can't apply
- normal standards to it.
- 533
- 00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:04,895
- He might just drive by, see if
- the scene is being disturbed,
- 534
- 00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:07,597
- if the body has been discovered.
- 535
- 00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,166
- Well, if it hasn't,
- 536
- 00:36:09,168 --> 00:36:12,335
- well, he might wanna
- take it all in again.
- 537
- 00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:20,544
- Would he go back to a site
- after we've discovered it?
- 538
- 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:21,478
- Oh, no.
- 539
- 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,347
- At that point, he wouldn't
- touch it with a 10-mile pole.
- 540
- 00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:28,018
- Why do you think
- guys like him kill?
- 541
- 00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:33,089
- Well, there's a certain
- aspect of possessiveness
- 542
- 00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:34,891
- in serial killing.
- 543
- 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
- I think that's one
- way of describing it,
- 544
- 00:36:36,962 --> 00:36:38,195
- well, in rather bland terms,
- 545
- 00:36:38,197 --> 00:36:40,931
- but a possessiveness
- where the corpse
- 546
- 00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:44,834
- might easily be as important
- as the live victim,
- 547
- 00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:47,137
- in some respects.
- 548
- 00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:49,639
- What I mean is,
- a possessiveness,
- 549
- 00:36:49,641 --> 00:36:53,176
- an ownership, a
- taking, if you will,
- 550
- 00:36:53,178 --> 00:36:55,745
- and that's part of the syndrome.
- 551
- 00:36:55,747 --> 00:36:57,447
- And I think that's one
- of the reasons why,
- 552
- 00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,749
- in some cases, not
- all, certainly,
- 553
- 00:36:59,751 --> 00:37:03,486
- but he might be intending
- to return to the scene,
- 554
- 00:37:03,488 --> 00:37:06,723
- interact with the
- body in some way.
- 555
- 00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:11,027
- According to the time of death,
- 556
- 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:14,130
- all these murders
- happened on a weekday.
- 557
- 00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:15,198
- What does that tell you?
- 558
- 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,968
- Well, he obviously prefers
- to troll on a weekday.
- 559
- 00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:21,071
- He might have other
- commitments of the weekend,
- 560
- 00:37:21,073 --> 00:37:23,406
- people he's close to, perhaps.
- 561
- 00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:24,874
- You think he has family?
- 562
- 00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,443
- Oh, possibly.
- 563
- 00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:30,747
- What'd you mean by "troll"?
- 564
- 00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,750
- Well, it's what he does.
- 565
- 00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,285
- Watching,
- 566
- 00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:36,786
- waiting,
- 567
- 00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:38,655
- selecting.
- 568
- 00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:41,358
- He knows his hunting ground.
- 569
- 00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:42,792
- Hey, Julie.
- 570
- 00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:44,394
- Hey.
- 571
- 00:37:44,396 --> 00:37:45,328
- This is my son.
- 572
- 00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:48,198
- You remember, I showed you
- a picture of him before.
- 573
- 00:37:49,001 --> 00:37:51,201
- Oh, sure, yeah.
- 574
- 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,337
- So, what's the deal here?
- 575
- 00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:56,172
- You want the kid to watch?
- 576
- 00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:57,907
- 'Cause I'm in to that.
- 577
- 00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:58,842
- No.
- 578
- 00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,977
- I didn't plan on
- bringing him along,
- 579
- 00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:03,346
- but his mother had to go out.
- 580
- 00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:05,815
- I figured we'd go to the woods
- 581
- 00:38:05,817 --> 00:38:07,751
- and he could wait in the car.
- 582
- 00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:09,152
- I'll be quick.
- 583
- 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:11,888
- Sure, I remember.
- 584
- 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:14,824
- Get in.
- 585
- 00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:17,093
- He targets his prey.
- 586
- 00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:20,263
- He plans what he wants
- to do in his mind,
- 587
- 00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:22,966
- down to the smallest detail.
- 588
- 00:38:23,101 --> 00:38:24,234
- By the time he closes in,
- 589
- 00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:27,537
- it's almost like it's
- already happened.
- 590
- 00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,851
- Okay,
- 591
- 00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:44,521
- this is far enough.
- 592
- 00:38:46,258 --> 00:38:47,857
- You got the money?
- 593
- 00:38:57,035 --> 00:39:00,337
- So, how do you wanna do this?
- 594
- 00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:05,241
- That tree over
- there, bend over it.
- 595
- 00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:19,989
- <i> He's played it out in</i>
- <i>his mind so many times.</i>
- 596
- 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,658
- <i>But when the time is right,</i>
- 597
- 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,326
- <i>and he swoops on his chosen one,</i>
- 598
- 00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:27,464
- <i>well, then it's like
- the spider and the fly.</i>
- 599
- 00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,734
- <i>Fantasy finally becomes reality.</i>
- 600
- 00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:32,902
- <i>And speaking of fantasy,</i>
- 601
- 00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:35,004
- <i>well, that's what normality is.</i>
- 602
- 00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:37,273
- <i>What's normal for the spider,</i>
- 603
- 00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:41,277
- <i>well, it can seem
- like chaos to the fly.</i>
- 604
- 00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:51,214
- Did she get home okay?
- 605
- 00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:54,417
- Yeah.
- 606
- 00:41:03,662 --> 00:41:06,029
- Can you go there, Detective?
- 607
- 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:09,032
- Where?
- 608
- 00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:13,503
- Inside his mind,
- think like he thinks.
- 609
- 00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:15,538
- I'm not sure I can.
- 610
- 00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:17,640
- Oh, you can.
- 611
- 00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:22,912
- We all have that coldblooded,
- primal instinct within us.
- 612
- 00:41:23,048 --> 00:41:26,349
- Whether you wanna
- touch upon your own is...
- 613
- 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,918
- well, that's another story.
- 614
- 00:42:59,044 --> 00:42:59,909
- Hello?
- 615
- 00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:01,945
- <i> Dave, it's Tom.</i>
- 616
- 00:43:01,947 --> 00:43:02,979
- What is it?
- 617
- 00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:04,681
- <i>We've found another body.</i>
- 618
- 00:43:05,584 --> 00:43:06,783
- Shit.
- 619
- 00:43:06,985 --> 00:43:09,552
- I thought we had our guys
- staking out the Green River?
- 620
- 00:43:09,554 --> 00:43:10,920
- <i> We didn't find it there,</i>
- 621
- 00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:14,123
- <i>this one was found in a
- woodland near Long Avenue.</i>
- 622
- 00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:16,526
- <i>Definitely him though, same M.O.</i>
- 623
- 00:43:16,528 --> 00:43:18,661
- You tell the press yet?
- 624
- 00:43:18,663 --> 00:43:19,596
- <i>No.</i>
- 625
- 00:43:19,598 --> 00:43:21,264
- <i>I've only just ordered the
- forensics team down there.</i>
- 626
- 00:43:21,266 --> 00:43:22,231
- Call it off.
- 627
- 00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,534
- <i>- What do you mean?</i>
- - Tell the team to back off,
- 628
- 00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:27,170
- leave the site just
- as it was found.
- 629
- 00:43:27,172 --> 00:43:28,605
- Don't tell the press,
- 630
- 00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:30,773
- don't tell anyone
- in the department
- 631
- 00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:31,908
- who doesn't already know.
- 632
- 00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:35,545
- Leave the body exactly
- where it was found, Tom.
- 633
- 00:43:35,814 --> 00:43:37,146
- <i>Why?</i>
- 634
- 00:43:37,148 --> 00:43:38,781
- Bundy said the
- killer will return
- 635
- 00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,017
- to where he dumped the bodies.
- 636
- 00:43:41,019 --> 00:43:42,185
- If you leave this body there
- 637
- 00:43:42,187 --> 00:43:43,820
- and he doesn't see
- anything on the news,
- 638
- 00:43:43,822 --> 00:43:46,322
- he might think it's not
- been discovered yet.
- 639
- 00:43:46,324 --> 00:43:48,658
- Then he'll go back.
- 640
- 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:51,094
- That's when we'll be
- staking out those woods.
- 641
- 00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:53,696
- <i>Okay, I'll go
- myself with Kavanagh.</i>
- 642
- 00:43:53,698 --> 00:43:55,465
- No, no, I'll go with you,
- 643
- 00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,667
- I'm heading to the
- airport right now.
- 644
- 00:43:57,669 --> 00:44:00,670
- I'll be back in a
- few hours, yeah?
- 645
- 00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:01,804
- <i>Got it.</i>
- 646
- 00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:03,006
- Bye.
- 647
- 00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:25,395
- Flying solo today, Bob?
- 648
- 00:44:25,397 --> 00:44:29,732
- Detective Richards had to
- travel back to the Green River.
- 649
- 00:44:29,734 --> 00:44:32,435
- Have they found another body?
- 650
- 00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:42,111
- Well, I hope the information
- I gave yesterday was helpful.
- 651
- 00:44:42,113 --> 00:44:43,079
- It was.
- 652
- 00:44:43,081 --> 00:44:45,415
- And since you're
- in a helpful mood,
- 653
- 00:44:45,417 --> 00:44:49,185
- I thought today we could
- discuss a different subject.
- 654
- 00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:50,953
- What's that?
- 655
- 00:44:50,955 --> 00:44:52,588
- You know, Ted,
- 656
- 00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,558
- there are still five cases
- we're concerned about,
- 657
- 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,629
- missing girls,
- Washington and Utah.
- 658
- 00:45:00,932 --> 00:45:02,298
- Okay.
- 659
- 00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,469
- Well, maybe we can
- talk about that.
- 660
- 00:45:06,938 --> 00:45:08,638
- I guess it depends.
- 661
- 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,405
- On what?
- 662
- 00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:12,375
- Did you speak to the
- attorney general?
- 663
- 00:45:12,811 --> 00:45:14,210
- I spoke to him last night.
- 664
- 00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:17,914
- I told him you'd been
- receptive to our questioning.
- 665
- 00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,549
- But truth be told, Ted,
- 666
- 00:45:19,551 --> 00:45:21,951
- he knows there are a lot
- of families out there
- 667
- 00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:23,886
- that need closure.
- 668
- 00:45:23,955 --> 00:45:26,322
- But before we get down to that,
- 669
- 00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:29,659
- has the attorney general
- discussed in firm terms
- 670
- 00:45:29,661 --> 00:45:35,164
- what the outcome of these
- conversations could be for me?
- 671
- 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,334
- He said any information
- you can provide
- 672
- 00:45:38,336 --> 00:45:40,503
- which can give the
- families closure
- 673
- 00:45:40,505 --> 00:45:43,139
- will be given the
- greatest consideration
- 674
- 00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:44,340
- when discussions take place
- 675
- 00:45:44,342 --> 00:45:47,744
- about the implementation
- of the death penalty.
- 676
- 00:45:48,313 --> 00:45:50,179
- Okay.
- 677
- 00:45:50,181 --> 00:45:51,447
- Good.
- 678
- 00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:54,650
- Well, I'm sure you know, Bob,
- 679
- 00:45:54,652 --> 00:45:57,754
- it all began in
- Washington state.
- 680
- 00:45:58,156 --> 00:45:59,288
- That's where I was living,
- 681
- 00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,492
- where I grew up as a
- kid and a young man,
- 682
- 00:46:02,494 --> 00:46:04,260
- where those kinds of impulses
- 683
- 00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:09,398
- which ultimately led to the
- violent behavior were born.
- 684
- 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,600
- Yeah.
- 685
- 00:46:12,036 --> 00:46:15,304
- This is where I'm
- a little, um...
- 686
- 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,307
- The presence of the
- officer down here,
- 687
- 00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:21,344
- well, it's a little unnerving.
- 688
- 00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:24,514
- Some of this stuff I don't
- mind talking about because,
- 689
- 00:46:24,516 --> 00:46:27,683
- well, he wouldn't know
- it from Adam, but,
- 690
- 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,219
- well, I can write it down,
- 691
- 00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:33,823
- or whisper it to you, whatever.
- 692
- 00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:37,560
- Okay.
- 693
- 00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,380
- Can you hear that?
- 694
- 00:46:59,184 --> 00:47:00,783
- Yeah, I can hear it.
- 695
- 00:47:00,919 --> 00:47:06,022
- I just wrote down the
- name Joanne Dawkins.
- 696
- 00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:08,424
- So...
- 697
- 00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,262
- the Dawkins girl's
- head was severed
- 698
- 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:19,035
- and taken up the road
- about 25-50 yards
- 699
- 00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:21,804
- and then buried in a location
- 700
- 00:47:21,806 --> 00:47:24,740
- about 10 yards west of the road
- 701
- 00:47:24,742 --> 00:47:29,011
- on a rocky hillside
- in Washington.
- 702
- 00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:34,350
- Did you hear that?
- 703
- 00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:36,285
- Yeah.
- 704
- 00:47:39,023 --> 00:47:42,992
- Lord knows what the little
- creatures up there did to it,
- 705
- 00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:45,895
- what those animals
- would have done.
- 706
- 00:47:45,964 --> 00:47:48,531
- Well, I can draw you a map
- to where you can find it,
- 707
- 00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:49,398
- if you like.
- 708
- 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,001
- Thank you, that
- would be helpful.
- 709
- 00:47:52,003 --> 00:47:55,872
- But first, how did
- you encounter her?
- 710
- 00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:59,408
- Oh, I was making my
- way up an alleyway,
- 711
- 00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,246
- with my briefcase,
- using crutches,
- 712
- 00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:06,749
- and a young woman
- was walking down.
- 713
- 00:48:07,085 --> 00:48:10,253
- I saw her walk around the
- north end of the block
- 714
- 00:48:10,255 --> 00:48:12,421
- and into the alleyway.
- 715
- 00:48:12,891 --> 00:48:13,923
- She stopped for a moment
- 716
- 00:48:13,925 --> 00:48:17,493
- and then kept on
- walking down toward me.
- 717
- 00:48:17,929 --> 00:48:18,961
- About halfway,
- 718
- 00:48:18,963 --> 00:48:20,763
- I encountered her
- 719
- 00:48:20,832 --> 00:48:23,933
- and asked if she'd help
- carry my briefcase,
- 720
- 00:48:23,935 --> 00:48:25,401
- which she did,
- 721
- 00:48:25,403 --> 00:48:29,071
- and we went back
- up the alleyway.
- 722
- 00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:31,540
- Across the street,
- we turned right,
- 723
- 00:48:31,542 --> 00:48:36,579
- on the sidewalk outside the
- old fraternity house there.
- 724
- 00:48:36,581 --> 00:48:38,481
- We rounded the
- corner on the left
- 725
- 00:48:38,483 --> 00:48:41,050
- and headed north on 47.
- 726
- 00:48:41,052 --> 00:48:42,418
- About halfway up the block,
- 727
- 00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,420
- there used to be
- this old parking lot,
- 728
- 00:48:44,422 --> 00:48:49,125
- which they'd made out of the
- burned-out buildings there.
- 729
- 00:48:49,627 --> 00:48:52,094
- So what happened when
- you rounded the corner?
- 730
- 00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,463
- Oh, we went into
- the parking lot.
- 731
- 00:48:54,465 --> 00:48:55,598
- When we reached my car,
- 732
- 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,801
- I knocked her unconscious
- with a crowbar.
- 733
- 00:48:58,803 --> 00:49:00,336
- Where'd you have that stashed?
- 734
- 00:49:00,338 --> 00:49:03,806
- Hidden behind the
- rear wheel of the car.
- 735
- 00:49:04,342 --> 00:49:05,474
- Did she see it?
- 736
- 00:49:05,476 --> 00:49:06,442
- No.
- 737
- 00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:10,513
- There were some handcuffs
- along with the crowbar.
- 738
- 00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:15,051
- I handcuffed her, put her in
- the passenger side of the car,
- 739
- 00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,153
- and drove away.
- 740
- 00:49:40,378 --> 00:49:41,844
- Dave.
- 741
- 00:49:43,281 --> 00:49:44,981
- Over there.
- 742
- 00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,989
- Wait.
- 743
- 00:49:57,395 --> 00:49:58,561
- Wait.
- 744
- 00:50:04,535 --> 00:50:05,835
- Let's go.
- 745
- 00:50:07,405 --> 00:50:08,904
- Don't fucking move!
- 746
- 00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:26,782
- Put the fucking gun down now!
- 747
- 00:51:26,784 --> 00:51:29,418
- Now put your hands on
- your head and back away!
- 748
- 00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:35,991
- Freeze!
- 749
- 00:51:35,993 --> 00:51:39,562
- Society wants to
- believe it can identify
- 750
- 00:51:39,564 --> 00:51:43,432
- bad or harmful individuals,
- 751
- 00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:45,968
- but it's not practical.
- 752
- 00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:49,472
- The truth is, people who
- indulge in this sort of thing,
- 753
- 00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:53,976
- well, they look just
- like everyone else.
- 754
- 00:51:53,978 --> 00:51:57,446
- Their subconscious might
- be a raging inferno,
- 755
- 00:51:57,448 --> 00:52:02,118
- but you'd never tell,
- they blend in so well.
- 756
- 00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:06,188
- This is what it
- comes down to, Bob,
- 757
- 00:52:06,357 --> 00:52:09,191
- we serial killers,
- 758
- 00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,894
- we're your sons,
- 759
- 00:52:11,896 --> 00:52:14,063
- your husbands,
- 760
- 00:52:14,565 --> 00:52:16,465
- we're everywhere,
- 761
- 00:52:17,335 --> 00:52:23,572
- and there will be more of
- your children dead tomorrow.
- 762
- 00:52:27,178 --> 00:52:29,545
- <i> All of</i>
- <i>us on this earth</i>
- 763
- 00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:32,381
- <i>know that there
- is a time to live</i>
- 764
- 00:52:32,383 --> 00:52:34,650
- <i>and that there is a time to die,</i>
- 765
- 00:52:34,652 --> 00:52:39,288
- <i>yet death is always a
- shock to those left behind.</i>
- 766
- 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,161
- Jesus, Dad, you scared me.
- 767
- 00:52:45,163 --> 00:52:48,063
- I didn't realize
- anyone else was up.
- 768
- 00:52:48,065 --> 00:52:49,398
- Sorry.
- 769
- 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,333
- Struggling to sleep?
- 770
- 00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:52,868
- Yeah.
- 771
- 00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:54,703
- I have a big test
- at school tomorrow,
- 772
- 00:52:54,705 --> 00:52:57,773
- and no matter how
- hard I hit the books,
- 773
- 00:52:57,775 --> 00:52:59,909
- I just, I don't feel prepared.
- 774
- 00:52:59,911 --> 00:53:03,012
- You'll do great, you always do.
- 775
- 00:53:14,625 --> 00:53:16,792
- Hey, take a seat,
- 776
- 00:53:17,562 --> 00:53:19,128
- watch some TV.
- 777
- 00:53:24,902 --> 00:53:26,135
- <i> The funeral over,</i>
- 778
- 00:53:26,137 --> 00:53:29,405
- <i>the saddened group
- left the graveside.</i>
- 779
- 00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:43,953
- Deb, you know I
- love you, don't you?
- 780
- 00:53:44,021 --> 00:53:47,923
- Sure, Dad, I
- know, I love you too.
- 781
- 00:53:47,925 --> 00:53:51,060
- I'm very proud of you,
- you know that, right?
- 782
- 00:53:51,062 --> 00:53:53,829
- You got some
- whiskey in that cup?
- 783
- 00:53:54,098 --> 00:53:56,265
- No, it's just tea.
- 784
- 00:53:56,701 --> 00:53:59,768
- Then what's with all
- the declarations?
- 785
- 00:54:02,106 --> 00:54:04,740
- I just want you to know
- how much you mean to me,
- 786
- 00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:06,075
- that's all.
- 787
- 00:54:07,945 --> 00:54:09,578
- You're sweet, Dad.
- 788
- 00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:13,249
- But I better get back to bed,
- 789
- 00:54:13,317 --> 00:54:15,150
- see if I can get some sleep.
- 790
- 00:54:15,152 --> 00:54:16,919
- Okay, sweetheart.
- 791
- 00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:17,686
- Goodnight.
- 792
- 00:54:17,688 --> 00:54:20,189
- Goodnight.
- 793
- 00:54:33,104 --> 00:54:35,271
- Where were you on June 17th?
- 794
- 00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:39,775
- I had to take my
- truck to the shop.
- 795
- 00:54:40,645 --> 00:54:44,113
- Have you ever cruised
- the SeaTac strip?
- 796
- 00:54:44,115 --> 00:54:47,149
- I'm, I'm not familiar
- with that place.
- 797
- 00:54:47,551 --> 00:54:49,918
- <i> His name is Gary</i>
- <i>Ridgway.</i>
- 798
- 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,720
- <i>He was picked up for
- attempting to solicit</i>
- 799
- 00:54:51,722 --> 00:54:56,892
- <i>an undercover police officer
- posing as a prostitute in May.</i>
- 800
- 00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:59,361
- <i>Tom got a hunch
- and ran his record.</i>
- 801
- 00:54:59,363 --> 00:55:02,931
- He was accused of choking
- a prostitute in 1980,
- 802
- 00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:04,466
- near the SeaTac strip.
- 803
- 00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:06,635
- At the time, he
- pleaded self-defense,
- 804
- 00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,839
- after claiming the woman bit
- him, and he got released.
- 805
- 00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:14,009
- <i>One of our officers stopped and
- questioned Ridgway last year</i>
- 806
- 00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:17,546
- <i>while he was in his
- truck with a prostitute.</i>
- 807
- 00:55:18,015 --> 00:55:19,281
- They also approached this guy
- 808
- 00:55:19,283 --> 00:55:23,352
- in connection with the
- kidnapping of Marie Olsen.
- 809
- 00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:24,553
- Ridgway was questioned,
- 810
- 00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,056
- but not enough evidence
- to make an arrest.
- 811
- 00:55:27,058 --> 00:55:30,259
- Has anyone questioned the
- sex workers on the strip?
- 812
- 00:55:30,261 --> 00:55:32,161
- Several prostitutes saw a man
- 813
- 00:55:32,163 --> 00:55:33,429
- matching Ridgway's description
- 814
- 00:55:33,431 --> 00:55:36,799
- regularly cruising the
- strip in the past two years.
- 815
- 00:55:36,801 --> 00:55:41,337
- <i>Now he works at that
- factory down in Bellevue,</i>
- 816
- 00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:42,404
- <i>painting trucks,</i>
- 817
- 00:55:42,406 --> 00:55:44,573
- <i>so he would pass that
- strip almost daily</i>
- 818
- 00:55:44,575 --> 00:55:46,575
- <i>on his way to and from work.</i>
- 819
- 00:55:46,577 --> 00:55:48,243
- Sarah Edgar.
- 820
- 00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:51,280
- I've never heard of her.
- 821
- 00:55:51,649 --> 00:55:53,115
- So what's your next move?
- 822
- 00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:56,018
- I think we should get him
- to take a polygraph test.
- 823
- 00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:59,855
- You know those things can't
- be considered 100% accurate.
- 824
- 00:55:59,857 --> 00:56:00,789
- Yeah, I know,
- 825
- 00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:03,292
- but I need something
- more than circumstantial
- 826
- 00:56:03,294 --> 00:56:04,660
- if I'm gonna convince the chief
- 827
- 00:56:04,662 --> 00:56:07,162
- there's a case to be made here.
- 828
- 00:56:07,231 --> 00:56:09,698
- Do you think he's the killer?
- 829
- 00:56:10,401 --> 00:56:13,869
- Something in my
- gut tells me he is.
- 830
- 00:56:14,772 --> 00:56:17,239
- Then do what you have to do.
- 831
- 00:56:24,548 --> 00:56:27,483
- Is your name
- Gary Leon Ridgway?
- 832
- 00:56:27,918 --> 00:56:29,251
- Yes.
- 833
- 00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:34,790
- Have you ever
- cruised the SeaTac strip?
- 834
- 00:56:34,792 --> 00:56:36,058
- No.
- 835
- 00:56:36,127 --> 00:56:39,428
- Have you ever
- hired a prostitute?
- 836
- 00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:40,896
- No.
- 837
- 00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:49,071
- Did you know Julie Kakova?
- 838
- 00:56:49,273 --> 00:56:50,406
- No.
- 839
- 00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:56,912
- Did you kill her?
- 840
- 00:56:57,348 --> 00:56:58,514
- No.
- 841
- 00:57:05,923 --> 00:57:06,855
- He passed.
- 842
- 00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:08,924
- He fucking passed.
- 843
- 00:57:09,794 --> 00:57:10,859
- Ridgway?
- 844
- 00:57:10,861 --> 00:57:11,994
- Yeah.
- 845
- 00:57:13,197 --> 00:57:15,063
- You know we got nothing
- on this guy now.
- 846
- 00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:18,634
- We executed a search warrant
- on his home, turned up nothing.
- 847
- 00:57:18,636 --> 00:57:20,936
- The forensics team
- test this guy?
- 848
- 00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,237
- They took everything from him,
- 849
- 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,573
- saliva, piss, the whole shebang.
- 850
- 00:57:24,575 --> 00:57:25,674
- There's nothing conclusive
- 851
- 00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:27,409
- to link him to any
- of the crime scenes.
- 852
- 00:57:27,411 --> 00:57:28,644
- Shit.
- 853
- 00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,314
- We gotta let him go.
- 854
- 00:58:37,314 --> 00:58:40,315
- 46
- bodies found since 1982.
- 855
- 00:58:40,317 --> 00:58:41,650
- There have been
- several suspects,
- 856
- 00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:44,653
- but a case can't be
- made against any of 'em.
- 857
- 00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:48,557
- $15 million of
- public funds spent.
- 858
- 00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:52,761
- As of today, the Green River
- Task Force will be dismantled.
- 859
- 00:58:52,763 --> 00:58:56,298
- We simply can't continue
- spending this kinda money
- 860
- 00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:57,699
- and allocating
- this much manpower
- 861
- 00:58:57,701 --> 00:59:01,470
- to an investigation which
- has yielded no results.
- 862
- 00:59:01,572 --> 00:59:06,141
- I know you were expecting
- this, and I hope you accept it.
- 863
- 00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:08,043
- It's over, Dave.
- 864
- 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,480
- Respectfully, sir,
- 865
- 00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,950
- it'll never be over.
- 866
- 00:59:17,855 --> 00:59:20,055
- A sad
- and ugly chapter
- 867
- 00:59:20,057 --> 00:59:21,390
- <i>will end tomorrow morning</i>
- 868
- 00:59:21,392 --> 00:59:24,192
- <i>as notorious serial
- killer Ted Bundy</i>
- 869
- 00:59:24,194 --> 00:59:27,529
- <i>is set to die in
- Florida's electric chair.</i>
- 870
- 00:59:27,531 --> 00:59:29,264
- <i>Officially, Bundy's
- execution will be for</i>
- 871
- 00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:33,302
- <i>the kidnap and murder of
- 12-year-old Caroline Keach,</i>
- 872
- 00:59:33,304 --> 00:59:38,106
- <i>but he was also found guilty
- of two additional 1978 slayings</i>
- 873
- 00:59:38,108 --> 00:59:42,678
- <i>and is suspected in
- 20-40 other homicides,</i>
- 874
- 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:43,812
- <i>at least 23 of which</i>
- 875
- 00:59:43,814 --> 00:59:45,514
- <i>he has confessed to law
- enforcement officials</i>
- 876
- 00:59:45,516 --> 00:59:48,350
- <i>in the past few years.
- Faced with execution</i>
- 877
- 00:59:48,352 --> 00:59:51,086
- <i>after nearly a decade
- of court appeals,</i>
- 878
- 00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:54,823
- <i>Bundy has attempted to
- trade confessions for time</i>
- 879
- 00:59:54,825 --> 00:59:55,891
- <i>to give lawmen details</i>
- 880
- 00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:57,426
- <i>of all of the murders.</i>
- 881
- 00:59:57,428 --> 01:00:00,562
- <i>The Florida governor refused
- to make such a trade.</i>
- 882
- 01:00:00,564 --> 01:00:05,100
- <i>Bundy is scheduled to
- be executed at 7:00 a.m.</i>
- 883
- 01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:13,208
- Bob.
- 884
- 01:00:13,877 --> 01:00:15,043
- Ted.
- 885
- 01:00:16,313 --> 01:00:18,981
- You know, I could still
- provide information.
- 886
- 01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:22,784
- I've remembered things that
- might help the families.
- 887
- 01:00:22,786 --> 01:00:24,653
- I know you're hoping
- for a phone call,
- 888
- 01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,990
- but I don't think it'll come.
- 889
- 01:00:28,892 --> 01:00:32,561
- Many feel justice is
- being served tomorrow.
- 890
- 01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:35,230
- What about you, Bob?
- 891
- 01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:38,634
- Do you think justice
- is being served?
- 892
- 01:00:39,703 --> 01:00:42,471
- I'm not here to
- pass judgment, Ted.
- 893
- 01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:45,474
- Well, then why are you here?
- 894
- 01:00:45,542 --> 01:00:48,710
- I'm interested in your
- thoughts on something.
- 895
- 01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:51,480
- What's that?
- 896
- 01:00:53,517 --> 01:00:55,651
- Why'd you go down this road?
- 897
- 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,186
- Well, everyone asks that.
- 898
- 01:00:58,188 --> 01:01:02,424
- Yeah, but you never really
- answered it before, have you?
- 899
- 01:01:03,594 --> 01:01:05,193
- What's the point?
- 900
- 01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:09,531
- Help people understand perhaps.
- 901
- 01:01:09,667 --> 01:01:12,768
- Maybe I can give you
- a little insight too.
- 902
- 01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:13,769
- Maybe the truth is
- 903
- 01:01:13,771 --> 01:01:17,673
- I don't have an answer
- to your question.
- 904
- 01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,308
- Whenever I'm interviewed,
- 905
- 01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:24,413
- people always ask, do I feel
- guilt for what I've done?
- 906
- 01:01:25,449 --> 01:01:26,581
- Guilt...
- 907
- 01:01:28,152 --> 01:01:29,751
- it's an illusion,
- 908
- 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,321
- a mechanism of social control.
- 909
- 01:01:33,323 --> 01:01:37,726
- It's very unhealthy, does
- terrible things to the body.
- 910
- 01:01:38,896 --> 01:01:41,229
- What about when you
- were young, Ted?
- 911
- 01:01:41,231 --> 01:01:44,066
- What was your emotional
- state of mind?
- 912
- 01:01:44,702 --> 01:01:45,967
- Confusion.
- 913
- 01:01:46,437 --> 01:01:51,073
- I could never understand what
- made people want to be friends,
- 914
- 01:01:51,075 --> 01:01:54,543
- or what made people
- attracted to one another,
- 915
- 01:01:54,545 --> 01:01:59,948
- or what underlays
- social interactions.
- 916
- 01:02:00,617 --> 01:02:02,584
- I'd watch people
- 917
- 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,754
- and see them feel,
- 918
- 01:02:07,491 --> 01:02:11,426
- but, I don't know, I
- could never be like them.
- 919
- 01:02:11,428 --> 01:02:16,231
- Do you remember the first
- time you felt the urges?
- 920
- 01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:18,967
- I certainly fantasized.
- 921
- 01:02:18,969 --> 01:02:22,904
- Well, as a young
- boy of 12 or 13,
- 922
- 01:02:22,906 --> 01:02:26,141
- I'd encountered
- soft-core pornography,
- 923
- 01:02:26,143 --> 01:02:31,413
- outside the home, local
- drug or grocery stores.
- 924
- 01:02:31,749 --> 01:02:32,748
- Young boys,
- 925
- 01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:37,686
- they explore the sideways and
- byways of their neighborhood.
- 926
- 01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:41,823
- And in our neighborhood, people
- would dump their garbage,
- 927
- 01:02:41,825 --> 01:02:43,325
- and from time to time,
- 928
- 01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:45,427
- we'd come across books
- 929
- 01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:49,531
- of a more graphic nature,
- 930
- 01:02:49,533 --> 01:02:52,968
- detective magazines and so on.
- 931
- 01:02:53,303 --> 01:02:54,936
- Well, I wanna emphasize this,
- 932
- 01:02:54,938 --> 01:02:58,340
- the most damaging
- kind of pornography,
- 933
- 01:02:58,342 --> 01:03:01,243
- I'm talking from real
- personal experience here,
- 934
- 01:03:01,245 --> 01:03:07,649
- is the kind which involves
- violence and sexual violence.
- 935
- 01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:10,118
- The wedding of those two forces,
- 936
- 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,355
- as I know only too well,
- 937
- 01:03:13,357 --> 01:03:14,556
- well, it brings about behavior
- 938
- 01:03:14,558 --> 01:03:17,826
- that is too terrible
- to describe.
- 939
- 01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:20,829
- When did fantasy
- become a reality?
- 940
- 01:03:22,166 --> 01:03:23,031
- As a teen,
- 941
- 01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:25,967
- I was dealing with
- very strong inhibitions
- 942
- 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:29,237
- against violent and
- criminal behavior
- 943
- 01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,206
- that had been conditioned
- 944
- 01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:34,209
- and bred into me
- by my environment,
- 945
- 01:03:34,211 --> 01:03:38,814
- the neighborhood,
- schools, church.
- 946
- 01:03:39,283 --> 01:03:43,518
- It's a very difficult
- thing to describe,
- 947
- 01:03:43,687 --> 01:03:46,521
- the sensation of
- reaching a point
- 948
- 01:03:46,523 --> 01:03:52,327
- where I knew I couldn't
- control it anymore.
- 949
- 01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:56,565
- The barriers I had
- learned as a child
- 950
- 01:03:56,567 --> 01:03:58,433
- were not enough to hold me back
- 951
- 01:03:58,435 --> 01:04:02,871
- from seeking out and
- harming somebody.
- 952
- 01:04:04,007 --> 01:04:08,577
- How did you feel the first
- time you committed a murder?
- 953
- 01:04:08,812 --> 01:04:14,282
- Even all these years later,
- it's difficult to talk about.
- 954
- 01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,384
- Reliving it through talking is,
- 955
- 01:04:16,386 --> 01:04:17,786
- well, difficult,
- to say the least,
- 956
- 01:04:17,788 --> 01:04:21,790
- but I want you to
- understand what happened.
- 957
- 01:04:23,026 --> 01:04:27,028
- It was like coming out of some
- 958
- 01:04:27,965 --> 01:04:32,100
- horrible trance or dream.
- 959
- 01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:35,103
- I can only liken it
- to being possessed
- 960
- 01:04:35,105 --> 01:04:39,107
- by something so awful and alien,
- 961
- 01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:40,242
- and then the next morning,
- 962
- 01:04:40,244 --> 01:04:41,810
- waking up and remembering
- what happened,
- 963
- 01:04:41,812 --> 01:04:45,580
- and realizing that, well,
- in the eyes of the law,
- 964
- 01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:48,216
- and certainly in
- the eyes of God,
- 965
- 01:04:48,218 --> 01:04:50,485
- you're responsible.
- 966
- 01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:55,156
- Possession is an
- interesting word.
- 967
- 01:04:55,158 --> 01:04:59,327
- What I did, it was like
- possessing them, physically,
- 968
- 01:04:59,329 --> 01:05:03,798
- as one might possess
- a potted plant,
- 969
- 01:05:04,501 --> 01:05:06,268
- or a painting,
- 970
- 01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:08,470
- or a horse,
- 971
- 01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:12,774
- owning, as it were, this person,
- 972
- 01:05:12,976 --> 01:05:18,413
- and then taking
- ownership of the remains.
- 973
- 01:05:19,116 --> 01:05:21,950
- But when I'd wake
- up in the morning
- 974
- 01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:25,787
- and realize what I'd
- done with a clear mind,
- 975
- 01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:31,960
- with all my essential ethical
- and moral feelings intact,
- 976
- 01:05:32,763 --> 01:05:35,997
- well, it absolutely
- horrified me.
- 977
- 01:05:37,467 --> 01:05:40,669
- The feelings of pleasure
- derived from what you did
- 978
- 01:05:40,671 --> 01:05:43,872
- clearly outweighed any
- feelings of being horrified,
- 979
- 01:05:43,874 --> 01:05:46,474
- because you repeated it so much.
- 980
- 01:05:48,011 --> 01:05:48,877
- Maybe so.
- 981
- 01:05:48,879 --> 01:05:51,746
- Also, when you compare
- people to possessions,
- 982
- 01:05:51,748 --> 01:05:56,284
- well, I think it's hard to
- believe that you felt anything,
- 983
- 01:05:56,286 --> 01:05:57,686
- certainly if in your mind,
- 984
- 01:05:57,688 --> 01:06:00,956
- people are no different
- to material things.
- 985
- 01:06:03,961 --> 01:06:05,927
- What's your point, Bob?
- 986
- 01:06:06,196 --> 01:06:08,229
- I've spoken to your family,
- 987
- 01:06:08,231 --> 01:06:09,364
- quite in depth, actually,
- 988
- 01:06:09,366 --> 01:06:11,666
- and they were very candid.
- 989
- 01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:12,968
- I don't know if you know this,
- 990
- 01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:15,570
- but your aunt has a very
- interesting memory of you
- 991
- 01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,939
- from when you were
- three years old.
- 992
- 01:06:17,941 --> 01:06:19,207
- And what's that?
- 993
- 01:06:19,209 --> 01:06:22,444
- She recalled waking
- up from a nap one day
- 994
- 01:06:22,446 --> 01:06:23,678
- at your grandparents' house
- 995
- 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,749
- to find herself surrounded
- by knives from the kitchen.
- 996
- 01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:32,954
- You were stood by your
- aunt's bed, smiling.
- 997
- 01:06:32,956 --> 01:06:35,357
- Well, I can't
- say I remember that, Bob,
- 998
- 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:38,293
- so I'll have to take
- her word for it.
- 999
- 01:06:38,295 --> 01:06:41,529
- If it's true, it's very
- telling, don't you think?
- 1000
- 01:06:41,531 --> 01:06:42,530
- How so?
- 1001
- 01:06:42,532 --> 01:06:44,899
- Well, in my line of work,
- 1002
- 01:06:44,901 --> 01:06:45,800
- I'm always asked
- 1003
- 01:06:45,802 --> 01:06:49,037
- "is serial killing down
- to nature or nurture?"
- 1004
- 01:06:49,272 --> 01:06:50,438
- That incident with your aunt
- 1005
- 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,607
- would suggest it's
- down to nature,
- 1006
- 01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:55,810
- that you were born with
- a darkness inside of you.
- 1007
- 01:06:55,812 --> 01:06:57,545
- But the thing is this,
- 1008
- 01:06:57,547 --> 01:06:59,514
- there are many people out there
- 1009
- 01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:02,217
- who are born with
- darkness inside of them,
- 1010
- 01:07:02,219 --> 01:07:04,719
- there are many people
- who suffer violence
- 1011
- 01:07:04,721 --> 01:07:07,655
- or have terrible things
- happen to them as kids,
- 1012
- 01:07:07,657 --> 01:07:11,159
- but they don't all grow
- up to be serial killers.
- 1013
- 01:07:11,228 --> 01:07:15,030
- Is this going somewhere, Bob?
- 1014
- 01:07:15,799 --> 01:07:19,267
- It's like the parable
- of the two wolves.
- 1015
- 01:07:19,269 --> 01:07:21,236
- And what's that?
- 1016
- 01:07:21,238 --> 01:07:23,138
- A father is talking to his son,
- 1017
- 01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:27,242
- and he says there are
- two wolves inside of us,
- 1018
- 01:07:27,244 --> 01:07:28,810
- always at battle.
- 1019
- 01:07:28,812 --> 01:07:32,280
- The good wolf represents
- things like kindness,
- 1020
- 01:07:32,282 --> 01:07:33,415
- bravery, and love.
- 1021
- 01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:38,553
- The bad wolf represents things
- like greed, hatred, and fear.
- 1022
- 01:07:38,555 --> 01:07:41,823
- The son stops and thinks
- about it for a second,
- 1023
- 01:07:41,825 --> 01:07:44,959
- and then looks at
- his father and says,
- 1024
- 01:07:44,961 --> 01:07:46,728
- "Which one wins?"
- 1025
- 01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:52,834
- And the father quietly
- replies, "The one we feed."
- 1026
- 01:07:56,006 --> 01:08:00,241
- And I guess you think I
- fed the bad wolf, right?
- 1027
- 01:08:00,477 --> 01:08:01,476
- Yeah.
- 1028
- 01:08:01,478 --> 01:08:02,577
- Is it nature or nurture?
- 1029
- 01:08:02,579 --> 01:08:05,814
- A little of both for sure,
- but the bottom line is this,
- 1030
- 01:08:05,816 --> 01:08:10,151
- we all have a choice about
- the person we become.
- 1031
- 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,354
- We create our own reality.
- 1032
- 01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:21,362
- <i> Ted Bundy, the</i>
- <i>notorious serial killer,</i>
- 1033
- 01:08:21,364 --> 01:08:23,398
- <i>died today in the electric chair</i>
- 1034
- 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,534
- <i>after a night of
- weeping and praying.</i>
- 1035
- 01:08:51,261 --> 01:08:53,361
- Let me do that.
- 1036
- 01:08:54,831 --> 01:08:55,997
- So,
- 1037
- 01:08:56,166 --> 01:09:00,001
- your first press conference
- as the new chief.
- 1038
- 01:09:00,937 --> 01:09:01,836
- You nervous?
- 1039
- 01:09:01,838 --> 01:09:04,405
- Almost 20 years of
- dealing with the press,
- 1040
- 01:09:04,407 --> 01:09:06,174
- you get used to it.
- 1041
- 01:09:06,443 --> 01:09:07,475
- I'm proud of you.
- 1042
- 01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:10,145
- You deserve this, and
- you've worked hard for it.
- 1043
- 01:09:10,147 --> 01:09:11,779
- I couldn't have
- done it without you.
- 1044
- 01:09:11,781 --> 01:09:15,550
- Mm, behind every great
- man is a great woman.
- 1045
- 01:09:15,552 --> 01:09:17,485
- I know it's a cliche,
- 1046
- 01:09:17,487 --> 01:09:19,154
- but it's true.
- 1047
- 01:09:20,524 --> 01:09:21,956
- We're a team.
- 1048
- 01:09:21,958 --> 01:09:25,326
- This isn't just my
- achievement, it's ours.
- 1049
- 01:09:26,062 --> 01:09:28,196
- Can I confess something?
- 1050
- 01:09:28,798 --> 01:09:29,998
- Yeah.
- 1051
- 01:09:31,535 --> 01:09:33,001
- I'm relieved.
- 1052
- 01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:33,768
- You are?
- 1053
- 01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:36,638
- Mm-hmm, a desk job gets
- you off the streets,
- 1054
- 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,541
- which means I'm gonna
- sleep better at night
- 1055
- 01:09:39,543 --> 01:09:42,043
- knowing you'll be safe.
- 1056
- 01:09:47,217 --> 01:09:48,650
- What's wrong?
- 1057
- 01:09:48,652 --> 01:09:50,084
- Nothing.
- 1058
- 01:09:51,121 --> 01:09:51,986
- There you go.
- 1059
- 01:09:51,988 --> 01:09:53,388
- Thanks, honey.
- 1060
- 01:10:13,777 --> 01:10:17,478
- You've faced much
- criticism over the years
- 1061
- 01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:22,283
- for your failure to apprehend
- the Green River Killer,
- 1062
- 01:10:22,285 --> 01:10:26,921
- how do you think the
- victims' families might feel
- 1063
- 01:10:26,923 --> 01:10:31,159
- watching your career go
- from strength to strength
- 1064
- 01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:34,329
- while the person who
- murdered their daughters
- 1065
- 01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:36,164
- is still at large?
- 1066
- 01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:37,999
- Yes,
- 1067
- 01:10:38,001 --> 01:10:42,770
- I've spent almost two
- decades haunted by this.
- 1068
- 01:10:42,906 --> 01:10:46,074
- My career has progressed, yes,
- 1069
- 01:10:46,243 --> 01:10:49,010
- but it hasn't stopped
- the nightmares.
- 1070
- 01:10:49,012 --> 01:10:55,416
- My arrest and conviction rate
- is the highest on the force,
- 1071
- 01:10:55,752 --> 01:10:57,285
- but there is not a day goes by
- 1072
- 01:10:57,287 --> 01:11:01,789
- when I don't think about
- the one that got away
- 1073
- 01:11:02,459 --> 01:11:04,993
- and all the pain he caused.
- 1074
- 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,831
- Which is why today,
- 1075
- 01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,933
- I am announcing
- 1076
- 01:11:11,935 --> 01:11:15,069
- that I will be reforming
- the Green River Task Force.
- 1077
- 01:11:17,507 --> 01:11:20,174
- Considerable resources
- will be diverted
- 1078
- 01:11:20,176 --> 01:11:21,643
- to resuming the investigation,
- 1079
- 01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:24,912
- and I will be personally
- overseeing it.
- 1080
- 01:11:24,914 --> 01:11:28,983
- I want the victims'
- families to know one thing,
- 1081
- 01:11:29,052 --> 01:11:33,521
- I will not rest until the
- killer is behind bars.
- 1082
- 01:11:47,604 --> 01:11:49,537
- You saw the conference on TV?
- 1083
- 01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:50,672
- I did.
- 1084
- 01:11:50,774 --> 01:11:53,574
- I know you wanted
- me to play it safe
- 1085
- 01:11:53,576 --> 01:11:54,976
- and stay behind a desk,
- 1086
- 01:11:54,978 --> 01:11:59,180
- but I just can't
- let this one go.
- 1087
- 01:11:59,683 --> 01:12:05,620
- You gave years to this,
- I saw what it did to you,
- 1088
- 01:12:05,622 --> 01:12:06,554
- I'm worried.
- 1089
- 01:12:06,556 --> 01:12:08,156
- I just gotta get back out there
- 1090
- 01:12:08,158 --> 01:12:09,857
- and nail that son of a bitch.
- 1091
- 01:12:09,859 --> 01:12:11,059
- And you think if you find him,
- 1092
- 01:12:11,061 --> 01:12:13,828
- you're gonna not
- be haunted anymore?
- 1093
- 01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:17,932
- I don't know, but this
- isn't just about me.
- 1094
- 01:12:17,934 --> 01:12:21,169
- You gave your life
- to public service,
- 1095
- 01:12:21,171 --> 01:12:24,205
- you don't owe anyone anything.
- 1096
- 01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:31,879
- If we'd have lost Deb, you'd
- want justice, wouldn't you?
- 1097
- 01:12:31,881 --> 01:12:33,314
- Yes, of course,
- 1098
- 01:12:33,316 --> 01:12:38,119
- but you being a martyr
- doesn't do anyone any favors.
- 1099
- 01:12:38,121 --> 01:12:41,522
- When the case was active,
- you were here physically,
- 1100
- 01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,925
- but your mind was miles away.
- 1101
- 01:12:43,927 --> 01:12:45,293
- Is it a good thing for you
- 1102
- 01:12:45,295 --> 01:12:46,961
- to fight for other
- people's families
- 1103
- 01:12:46,963 --> 01:12:48,763
- when your own has
- to suffer for it?
- 1104
- 01:12:48,765 --> 01:12:52,967
- You know I love you, but
- this is how I was made,
- 1105
- 01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:55,269
- this is what you married.
- 1106
- 01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,840
- Well, if you've
- made up your mind,
- 1107
- 01:12:58,842 --> 01:13:03,778
- I guess there's nothing
- else for me to say.
- 1108
- 01:13:07,751 --> 01:13:09,550
- Well, do you support me?
- 1109
- 01:13:10,687 --> 01:13:12,954
- I can't do this without you.
- 1110
- 01:13:15,058 --> 01:13:19,093
- I'll always be by your
- side, you know that.
- 1111
- 01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,162
- And I hope when
- you find this guy,
- 1112
- 01:13:21,164 --> 01:13:25,833
- you get the inner peace
- that you're seeking.
- 1113
- 01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:42,350
- One of the victims,
- Marsha Intola,
- 1114
- 01:13:42,352 --> 01:13:45,853
- the one who was posed with
- the fish and the wine...
- 1115
- 01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:46,654
- Yeah?
- 1116
- 01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:49,123
- She was stripped
- naked like the others,
- 1117
- 01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:50,958
- but there was a
- dress found nearby
- 1118
- 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,194
- which was identified as hers.
- 1119
- 01:13:53,196 --> 01:13:55,363
- There was a semen sample
- taken from the dress.
- 1120
- 01:13:55,365 --> 01:13:59,333
- We also recovered semen
- from several of the victims.
- 1121
- 01:13:59,335 --> 01:14:02,236
- I know we established
- many years back
- 1122
- 01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:04,939
- that the samples were
- all from the same man,
- 1123
- 01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:07,408
- we just did not
- have the technology
- 1124
- 01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:09,944
- for a more detailed DNA profile.
- 1125
- 01:14:09,946 --> 01:14:12,113
- So what can we do now?
- 1126
- 01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:15,516
- Our advances mean that the
- sample from the discarded dress
- 1127
- 01:14:15,518 --> 01:14:18,219
- will stand strong
- against the suspects
- 1128
- 01:14:18,221 --> 01:14:19,454
- we have on our database.
- 1129
- 01:14:19,456 --> 01:14:21,889
- We should also be
- able to get matches
- 1130
- 01:14:21,891 --> 01:14:26,394
- on the semen samples retrieved
- from the other victims.
- 1131
- 01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:28,396
- Okay.
- 1132
- 01:14:28,832 --> 01:14:30,331
- Let's get it done.
- 1133
- 01:14:44,681 --> 01:14:46,280
- These are the results?
- 1134
- 01:14:46,549 --> 01:14:47,682
- The same guy's DNA matches
- 1135
- 01:14:47,684 --> 01:14:50,451
- every sample recovered
- from the victims.
- 1136
- 01:14:50,553 --> 01:14:53,554
- I don't even need to open this.
- 1137
- 01:14:55,959 --> 01:14:58,459
- It's Gary Ridgway, isn't it?
- 1138
- 01:15:17,714 --> 01:15:19,514
- Let's go get him.
- 1139
- 01:15:47,076 --> 01:15:48,776
- Put your hands
- in the air.
- 1140
- 01:15:48,778 --> 01:15:53,281
- One false move and I'll put
- two in the back of your head.
- 1141
- 01:15:53,283 --> 01:15:56,551
- Slowly, put your hands
- behind your back.
- 1142
- 01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:05,626
- Gotcha, asshole.
- 1143
- 01:16:14,437 --> 01:16:16,070
- <i>In the early 1980s,</i>
- 1144
- 01:16:16,072 --> 01:16:18,806
- <i>the area around the Green
- River, south of Seattle,</i>
- 1145
- 01:16:18,808 --> 01:16:19,907
- <i>was the site of one of</i>
- 1146
- 01:16:19,909 --> 01:16:21,475
- <i>the most gruesome
- serial-killing sprees</i>
- 1147
- 01:16:21,477 --> 01:16:22,677
- <i>this country has ever seen.</i>
- 1148
- 01:16:22,679 --> 01:16:24,712
- <i>At least 49 women, police say,</i>
- 1149
- 01:16:24,714 --> 01:16:26,380
- <i>mostly prostitutes and runaways,</i>
- 1150
- 01:16:26,382 --> 01:16:28,783
- <i>disappeared or
- were found murdered</i>
- 1151
- 01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:30,318
- <i>along this stretch of water.</i>
- 1152
- 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,920
- <i>Gary Leon Ridgway,
- now in custody,</i>
- 1153
- 01:16:32,922 --> 01:16:34,288
- <i>was a prime suspect back then,</i>
- 1154
- 01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,792
- <i>but police didn't have enough
- evidence to make a solid case.</i>
- 1155
- 01:16:37,794 --> 01:16:39,727
- <i>Now, new technology, police say,</i>
- 1156
- 01:16:39,729 --> 01:16:40,962
- <i>has linked Ridgway's DNA</i>
- 1157
- 01:16:40,964 --> 01:16:42,997
- <i>with DNA found on three of
- the Green River victims,</i>
- 1158
- 01:16:42,999 --> 01:16:47,101
- <i>while other evidence, police
- say, ties him to a fourth.</i>
- 1159
- 01:16:47,103 --> 01:16:48,202
- <i>A team of scientists</i>
- 1160
- 01:16:48,204 --> 01:16:51,038
- <i>spent more than 800
- hours on the lab work.</i>
- 1161
- 01:16:55,244 --> 01:16:58,846
- They got you chained up
- pretty good there, don't they?
- 1162
- 01:17:00,383 --> 01:17:01,349
- Yeah.
- 1163
- 01:17:01,351 --> 01:17:02,817
- They must be concerned about
- 1164
- 01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:06,020
- whether or not you're
- gonna run off, huh?
- 1165
- 01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:08,656
- I guess so.
- 1166
- 01:17:08,658 --> 01:17:10,858
- You wouldn't
- do that, would you?
- 1167
- 01:17:11,728 --> 01:17:13,194
- Not this time.
- 1168
- 01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:22,803
- Give us a minute, will you, Tom?
- 1169
- 01:17:22,805 --> 01:17:24,171
- Sure.
- 1170
- 01:17:33,016 --> 01:17:36,517
- I'm the lead investigator
- on this case.
- 1171
- 01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:38,452
- I know.
- 1172
- 01:17:38,454 --> 01:17:40,421
- That means you and
- I must've stood
- 1173
- 01:17:40,423 --> 01:17:42,923
- in a lot of the same places.
- 1174
- 01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,559
- I think we stood in every place.
- 1175
- 01:17:45,561 --> 01:17:47,762
- What do you think about that?
- 1176
- 01:17:47,897 --> 01:17:51,532
- You were on one side,
- I was on the other.
- 1177
- 01:17:51,834 --> 01:17:56,671
- Where I killed them, you were
- the one who recovered them.
- 1178
- 01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:58,939
- Now,
- 1179
- 01:17:58,941 --> 01:18:00,441
- finally,
- 1180
- 01:18:00,443 --> 01:18:01,676
- we meet.
- 1181
- 01:18:01,678 --> 01:18:02,910
- Yeah.
- 1182
- 01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:07,882
- I've been working on
- this case a long time.
- 1183
- 01:18:08,751 --> 01:18:12,586
- Looks like I've caused
- you a few gray hairs.
- 1184
- 01:18:13,423 --> 01:18:18,392
- So, Gary, you've been
- pretty forthcoming so far,
- 1185
- 01:18:18,594 --> 01:18:21,929
- but do I know everything
- there is to know?
- 1186
- 01:18:22,031 --> 01:18:24,532
- Yeah, I'm not holding
- anything back.
- 1187
- 01:18:26,636 --> 01:18:28,069
- Can you really
- look me in the eye
- 1188
- 01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:31,639
- and tell me you're not
- holding anything back?
- 1189
- 01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:39,947
- I haven't been, um,
- 1190
- 01:18:39,949 --> 01:18:40,848
- you know--
- 1191
- 01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:44,885
- Wait a minute, your eyes
- are going back and forth.
- 1192
- 01:18:47,423 --> 01:18:48,989
- I'm not lying to you.
- 1193
- 01:18:48,991 --> 01:18:50,591
- Yes, you are.
- 1194
- 01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:52,960
- The thing is, Gary,
- 1195
- 01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:55,596
- you and I can be enemies
- 1196
- 01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:58,299
- or we can be buddies,
- 1197
- 01:18:58,668 --> 01:19:00,935
- that's your choice.
- 1198
- 01:19:00,937 --> 01:19:02,870
- If you're gonna
- keep lying to me,
- 1199
- 01:19:02,872 --> 01:19:04,805
- then we'll be enemies.
- 1200
- 01:19:05,141 --> 01:19:08,642
- So, what you gonna do?
- 1201
- 01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:12,713
- I don't know what you want.
- 1202
- 01:19:12,715 --> 01:19:14,615
- The bodies.
- 1203
- 01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:20,154
- There are more, aren't there?
- 1204
- 01:19:24,961 --> 01:19:26,160
- Yes.
- 1205
- 01:19:27,797 --> 01:19:32,600
- So, how are we
- gonna work together?
- 1206
- 01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:36,036
- You want me to tell
- you where they are?
- 1207
- 01:19:36,038 --> 01:19:37,304
- Yes.
- 1208
- 01:19:37,707 --> 01:19:40,808
- We're gonna find every
- last one of them.
- 1209
- 01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:47,882
- Alright.
- 1210
- 01:19:49,552 --> 01:19:52,953
- My memory is hazy, but I'll try.
- 1211
- 01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:54,221
- Yes, you will.
- 1212
- 01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:22,616
- We should've gotten some
- champagne to celebrate.
- 1213
- 01:20:22,618 --> 01:20:26,787
- That's alright, I'm just happy
- to be here with you both.
- 1214
- 01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:28,856
- How do you feel, Dad?
- 1215
- 01:20:28,858 --> 01:20:30,157
- Relieved.
- 1216
- 01:20:30,393 --> 01:20:34,662
- But the hardest part
- of it all... memories.
- 1217
- 01:20:34,664 --> 01:20:38,833
- You'll get some closure now
- that you've caught the guy.
- 1218
- 01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:45,439
- Yeah, Dad, it's finally over.
- 1219
- 01:21:41,864 --> 01:21:44,565
- Bob, what you doing here?
- 1220
- 01:21:44,567 --> 01:21:47,434
- Thought I'd pay you a visit
- given the recent headlines.
- 1221
- 01:21:47,436 --> 01:21:51,105
- I stopped by the house,
- Sandra said you might be here.
- 1222
- 01:21:51,107 --> 01:21:53,007
- It's good to see you.
- 1223
- 01:21:53,075 --> 01:21:54,508
- Been a while, huh?
- 1224
- 01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:55,943
- Yeah, it has.
- 1225
- 01:21:55,945 --> 01:21:58,178
- I think congratulations
- are in order.
- 1226
- 01:21:58,180 --> 01:22:00,114
- Oh, it was a team game,
- 1227
- 01:22:00,116 --> 01:22:01,582
- you were part of that team,
- 1228
- 01:22:01,584 --> 01:22:03,817
- you should give yourself
- a pat on the back.
- 1229
- 01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:07,688
- I think we can all be thankful
- for the advances in DNA.
- 1230
- 01:22:07,690 --> 01:22:09,189
- True.
- 1231
- 01:22:09,191 --> 01:22:11,258
- So, what now?
- 1232
- 01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:12,726
- Time to move on.
- 1233
- 01:22:12,929 --> 01:22:17,431
- Ridgway's behind bars,
- the healing can begin.
- 1234
- 01:22:19,468 --> 01:22:24,338
- You know, there's one
- thing I keep asking myself.
- 1235
- 01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:27,408
- How do we stop this thing
- from happening again?
- 1236
- 01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:28,542
- There are a multitude of things
- 1237
- 01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:30,644
- we could do to
- make a difference,
- 1238
- 01:22:30,646 --> 01:22:34,214
- greater education from
- a psychology standpoint,
- 1239
- 01:22:34,216 --> 01:22:37,618
- spotting the warning signs
- of psychopathy early on.
- 1240
- 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:40,287
- From a law enforcement
- standpoint, we have
- 1241
- 01:22:40,289 --> 01:22:42,823
- advances in DNA
- and a better network
- 1242
- 01:22:42,825 --> 01:22:45,793
- of communication
- between the agencies.
- 1243
- 01:22:46,028 --> 01:22:50,798
- But, maybe I'm getting
- soft in my old age,
- 1244
- 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,566
- I just can't help
- thinking about it
- 1245
- 01:22:52,568 --> 01:22:54,835
- from a philosophical standpoint.
- 1246
- 01:22:55,237 --> 01:22:56,236
- I'm intrigued.
- 1247
- 01:22:56,238 --> 01:22:59,907
- Well, if those of us who are
- positive in our intentions
- 1248
- 01:22:59,909 --> 01:23:01,976
- spread enough love and light,
- 1249
- 01:23:01,978 --> 01:23:03,877
- maybe there won't
- be so much darkness
- 1250
- 01:23:03,879 --> 01:23:05,012
- for evil to maneuver in.
- 1251
- 01:23:05,014 --> 01:23:08,182
- I never had you down
- as an idealist, Bob.
- 1252
- 01:23:08,184 --> 01:23:10,017
- I never used to be.
- 1253
- 01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:12,987
- But the times, they
- are a changing.
- 1254
- 01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:15,022
- You know what?
- 1255
- 01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:22,563
- I think you're right.
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