Disaster Area - Today at 02:20
hey
was wondering if ur interested in the gsc retiering stuff at all or not
FriendOfMrGolem120 - Today at 02:37
Generally I am interested in that but I don't know whether I would actually have the commitment to join stuff like "new frontiers" and build teams for them, since I don't want to join tours and not really try hard to perform well - at least for somewhat bigger tours (every forum tour and not random room tourson the ps main server).
Disaster Area - Today at 02:38
i mean i think uf u get involved if u want to try hard and perform well
then that would be a great thing
we want to understand the tier played as competitively as we can
cos thats when we can best understand when stuff is broken etc
exploring a tier for the science of it is a new and interesting experience and
get far enough into it and it can be pretty rewarding a lot of the time
FriendOfMrGolem120 - Today at 02:40
Hmm... I always have a hard time to actually define what is broken and what not. I remember that you asked that in a thread on pp as well. I feel like very often it is just personal preference whether someone likes the tier, its pace, sturdiness, how centralising it is and so on.
Disaster Area - Today at 02:41
Yeah. Unlike smogon we don't try and come up with a hard and fast definition
I think that a player largely knows in their gut when something is broken too
even when u dont like a tier it doesnt follow either that u think smth is broken in it
unless u can pinpoint it to that
for example
i didnt like the old rby 2u meta
but there was definitely nothing broken in it
it just wasnt my kind of tier
but with say mewtwo in rby it's pretty clear that it's broken
even tho rby ubers is an interesting metagame in its own right
it's just clear in your gut as an experienced pokemon player i think
and the more metas u play the better that sense is honed
FriendOfMrGolem120 - Today at 02:43
If I would play in new frontier tours, I would obviously have to build and try out lots of teams and that is quite time consuming, concidering that it is not as easy to build teams which you have never really tried. But of course, that is true for everyone who would participate.
Disaster Area - Today at 02:44
yep
FriendOfMrGolem120 - Today at 02:44
But even when I should not actively participate I would be there to speak about the tour or test some teams in casual games most likely, should anyone would like my help.
Disaster Area - Today at 02:44
thing is that tiering is one of these things where it can be work but
the result of that dcan be rewarding
like with the rby tiering it took months and months and months
but in the end we made a bunch of new awesome metagames
which are all unique and different and interesting
rby 2u is an almost hyper offensive meta where fast offense of some kind generally rules/ruled, not sure on the current state exactly
rby 3u was a metagame with a lot of building diversity and a relative lack of pokemon dominance. The best mons u got in the meta were one or two things that trade with most pokemon pretty well and a solid but not too dangerous sleeper
rby 4u was a really tight metagame where a fast sleeper in venomoth and a fast, strong, paralysis immune nidoking ruled the roost
but in turn that metagame grew quite a bit and water types rose up in interesting ways and all in all games end up pretty close and new developments happened from the start of the tier until now fairly often
like the late rise of drowzee from not being seen as really viable to being seen as probably worthy of a spot in the tier bc of its matchup vs porygon
and rby 5u is my fave and is the most unique of the lot
it's really interesting because it has a really interesting big 4. dragonair is an agiliwrap sweeper with a couple tricks up its sleeve, gastly is the answer to it and also a sleeper
drowzee is a good gastly answer, hard to switch into, and has just ernough special bulk to check stuff
and seadra has the raw power and bulk to be overall very strong but it checks itself and
it's curious, you have these 4 somewhat centralising forces but then
you have like 15 different pokemon that pair together in a number of ways that fill the remaining slots and give each team a really unique feel
like u have more reliable status platforms in vileplume and parasect, u have slow hard hitters and sweepers like graveler lickitung and sd parasect, u have fast frail mons w good coverage or other interesting traits like magmar primeape and ninetales
u have electrode which can be very dangerous if not properly prepared for and can do a lot of damage... u have arbok with wrap and glare
and wrap and the prominence of rest (rest gastly is a standard pokemon!) gives the tier a very interesting pace
it's slow enough that you really have the time to form and implement a gameplan and play for every few % of odds in a game
but never so slow that it borders on tedious
and there's a quite heavy information game i guess in that meta compared to other rby metas too
i mean ok i went on far too long and sorry about that but u can see
i put in the time as did others
and we were rewarded for it, but it didn't come quick and easy
FriendOfMrGolem120 - Today at 02:52
I really think that it is great how pp has formed all these lower tiers for RBY, even though I haven't really played them. (I think I only played a few games of some tiers of them, like 4u).(edited)
Disaster Area - Today at 02:52
yeah
well it would be amazing to have that in all gens
but the first step is 1u
obviously we all have different interests too
in terms of 1u im only interested in rby adv oras but
in terms of lower tiers, im very open to gsc hgss and bw too
once it gets to that stage