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00:55:52 <pturtle> Variety.
00:57:14 <isoraqathedh> There's a lot of things that you can possibly action on a country, much more than what you can normally fit on a ballot box. And even if there's only ever 20 or fewer ways you can solve a problem, there's no guarantee that every option is available at all times.
00:58:26 <pturtle> So?
00:59:07 <isoraqathedh> It's very clear that variety isn't guaranteed.
00:59:14 <pturtle> So?
01:00:20 <isoraqathedh> Check [2] fails.
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01:00:54 <ptortoise> And randomly excluding people from the voting process will help?
01:02:05 <isoraqathedh> No, but replacing politicians with a learning machine that spits out policy if you feed it a country will.
01:03:18 <isoraqathedh> (If you haven't seen, I've changed my stance somewhat by simply leaving the electorate be and fixing politicians from another angle instead.)
01:03:40 <ptortoise> Too bad we don't have the technology for that yet.
01:04:13 <ptortoise> Also: Who programs the machine? Who decides what its priorities are?
01:04:34 <isoraqathedh> Yes, I've gathered as much. I'm sure we're at some kind of local maximum fairness.
01:05:58 <isoraqathedh> Who programs what? It makes up its own mind by attempting to work on something based on (hopefully) axiomatic things, e.g. "murder = bad", "income surplus = good".
01:08:33 <ptortoise> Yeah, no, but who decides the axioms? How much is an individual life weighted? Will this machine actively kill one person to save five? Will it drive one group into poverty for the economic good of the others? I assume the goal would be to maximize happiness, but happiness is damnably hard to quantify.
01:09:01 <isoraqathedh> Sure, that's where the electorate comes in.
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01:09:54 <isoraqathedh> Initially the algorithm will be a literal idiot and will produce random (truly random) solutions to every problem. Then the electorate, as a collective, pushes YES or NO based on palatability.
01:10:54 <ptortoise> wow that's  wonderful experimental procedure too bad it's such a shitty idea irl
01:11:07 <isoraqathedh> The algorithm will learn from this, and eventually, after enough voting, it'd produce good results.
01:11:54 <ptortoise> seriously
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