The Report (2019)

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How long you been
working on this project, Dan?

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Five years.

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Five, wow.

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Every day? Nights, weekends?

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It's been very consuming.

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Do you have
a relationship, Dan? Family?

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Just trying to get
a better sense of who you are.

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When it started, I was
seeing someone, but, you know,

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with the nature of the work
and the hours...

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I wasn't a very good partner.

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Five years,
and it could all go away.

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Just vanish in the face
of these allegations.

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I can certainly imagine

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an ambitious young man
like yourself

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spends years
with his head buried

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in some terrible spectacle,

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gets frustrated
with the process,

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sees an opportunity
to get the truth out faster,

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maybe crosses a line.

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I'm assuming this is
the most important thing

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- you've ever been a part of.
- I didn't do it.

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Or I can see
an equally ambitious senator

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encouraging you to do something.

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Now would be
a good time to tell me.

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That did not happen.
What I did, I did on my own.

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I acted alone.

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You ever sleep, bro?

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I used to. Got in the way of work.

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Anything in that bag
contain the real names

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of CIA officers,
assets or partners,

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or any information
that would be in violation

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of the agreement between
the Central Intelligence Agency

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and the United States Senate?

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- Have a good night, Jay.
- You, too, Dan.

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So, you did steal the document?

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I did not steal it.
I relocated it.

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Everyone has their own words.

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The language is built
to choose sides.

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Now, why did you relocate it?

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They could send you
to jail, Dan.

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I think I should
start at the beginning.

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- You Dan Jones?
- Yeah.

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- Denis McDonough.
- Hi.

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Thank you so much
for meeting me.

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Come on in, yeah. Absolutely.

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So, thanks for coming in.

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Uh, tell me your story.

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My second day of grad school
was September 11th.

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I was headed to a lecture,
and everything just... stopped.

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The next day, I changed all my
classes to national security.

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Good man.

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So, what's the long-term plan?

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Where do you see yourself
in ten years?

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Are you running for office?

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Oh, uh, no. No politics for me.

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I think I'd be more effective
behind the scenes,

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somewhere I can
really make a difference.

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So, what about before Harvard?

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Uh, what'd you fill up
your days with then?

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Teach For America
for three years in Baltimore.

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Seventh-graders.

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I read that you taught
high school Spanish

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in Saint Paul, Minnesota,
after college?

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And LBJ's first job was teaching

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at the Mexican school
in South Texas.

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Knowing how
to deal with children

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is a highly useful skill
when working on the Hill.

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But from my perspective
as Senate staff,

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I would wait until
things turn around up here.

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I think Senator Daschle
would say the same thing.

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Go get some real-world
experience in counterterrorism,

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in... foreign policy.

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Try the CIA. Try FBI.

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Have them teach you what they
don't teach you in a classroom.

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Then you can come back here, and...

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help us fix all the things that
Bush and Cheney are breaking.

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McDonough.

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Yes, Senator, uh, one second.

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The boss. Here.

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Keep in touch, huh?

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- Thank you very much for your time.
- Absolutely.

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I do not have
that information right now,

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but I can certainly get that
for you in the next 15.

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Yeah.

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In regards to
the bomb plots in Germany,

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three men were arrested
in Medebach

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with 1,500 pounds
of hydrogen peroxide

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and 26 military-grade
detonators.

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The CIA suspects
the Islamic Jihad Union...

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Excuse me.

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Uh, can I borrow you
for a minute, Dan?

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Uh, Senator would
like to see you.

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Yeah, of course.

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- Morning, Dan.
- Morning, Senator.

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Have you seen the story today
in The New York Times?

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- No, Senator, I have not.
- Evidently, the CIA destroyed

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tapes of interrogations
of Al Qaeda detainees.

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Did the Intel Committee know
there were tapes?

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No. This is the first
I've heard of it.

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So, I want to find out
what was on the tapes

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and why they were destroyed.

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We want you to lead
the investigation, Dan.

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But if the tapes were
destroyed, how do we...

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They're saying
they have written records.

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Thousands of pages.
Let's see about that.

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I want you to find out
exactly what they have

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and read every word of it.

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This report on the
destruction of tapes by the CIA

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- has been two years in the making.
- Thank you.

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The findings are very troubling,

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but it will remain classified.

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Based on these revelations,
a larger study into

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the entire CIA Detention
and Interrogation Program

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is clearly in order.

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All in favor, say "yay."

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- Mr. Whitehouse?
- Yay.

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- Mr. Burr?
- Yay.

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- Mr. Rockefeller?
- Yay.

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Mr. Chambliss?

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- Nay.
- Mr. Risch?

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I think this is a waste of time.

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Now, I know you voted
against this, Saxby...

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But you already had
your tapes investigation.

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Yes, but the rest of us
voted to go further, 14 to one.

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It's our job
to provide oversight.

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All during the campaign,
you got candidate Obama saying

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how he wanted to be the first
post-partisan president.

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Saxby, you know me.

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It's my intention
that this report be seen

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as coming from the entire
Intelligence Committee,

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not just the Democrats.

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So, who takes the lead?

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Well, I was thinking Dan Jones.

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He spent four years doing
counterterrorism at the FBI.

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He's already got
the security clearances.

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The rules are the same
as the tapes investigation.

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No politics, no bias,

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and the senator isn't interested

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in opinions or theories,
just facts.

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Based on what
you found out already,

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this could go to
a pretty dark place.

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You need to keep your
personal feelings out of it.

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That's the first thing
Republicans are gonna look for.

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No talking to the press
or your girlfriend

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or any family members.

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Nobody outside of the committee.

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You're gonna get a team of six...

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Three Republicans,
three Democrats...

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But there can't be
any Republican sentences

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or Democratic paragraphs.

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And how long do we have?

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We're hoping you can
wrap it up in a year or so.

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You're gonna have to keep the
senators updated on your work.

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Nobody wants any surprises.

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There's a covert CIA off-site
in Virginia.

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You start tomorrow.

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- Jones, right?
- Sean.

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- Hi. Dan.
- Sean Murphy from the Agency.

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- Let's go inside.
- Okay.

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Identification, gentlemen.

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The room we've designated is a SCIF.

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No phone reception, no photos...
You know the drill...

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Lead walls.

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And, per the agreement,

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the room is off-limits
to everyone

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- except committee personnel.
- Absolutely.

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No one inside
without your permission.

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- And the computers?
- Right here.

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Your own dedicated server,
air-gapped workstations.

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We'll be updating
the database as we go.

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The files will be loaded
on here as we collect them

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- from across the Agency.
- Great.

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We'll want all relevant
documents as soon as possible.

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- Well, we got to vet it first.
- Vet?

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There's a lot to...

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Director Panetta
agreed to give us

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everything pertaining
to the program.

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Wh-Who would be,
who would be vetting it?

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It's a big agency.

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We got to make sure
you don't get anything

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you're not supposed to.

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Make yourself at home.

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There's... no printer?

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No paper.

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No documents are allowed
to leave the room

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without CIA approval.

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Paper has a way of getting
people in trouble at our place.

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I think at some point
we're gonna need a printer.

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And paper.

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At our place...

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paper's how
we keep track of laws.

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Okay.

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Calling this
an obvious terrorist attack

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based on very
preliminary information,

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the information that

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intelligence officials
are getting...

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You're not gonna like this.

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A possible
hijacked plane, and of course

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the-the very horrifying video
of the plane...

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We confirmed some of the names.

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The hijackers?

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Two of the guys from
the Malaysia meetings.

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The San Diego guys.
They took down Flight 77.

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Pentagon.

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The coordination that took place

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to have two planes
hit the towers...

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Attention, everyone, please.

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We have reason to believe
the Counterterrorism Center

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is a potential target.

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We're asking all personnel
to evacuate, immediately.

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Jim Miklaszewski

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there from the Pentagon.

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Of course, the president
has the authority

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to scramble
military, uh, forces,

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and, uh, this is a case,
obviously,

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in which, uh, retaliation,
if indeed it proves to be

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a terrorist incident,

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will be contemplated.

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We also have to work, though,

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sort of, the-the dark side,
if you will.

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We've got to spend time
in the shadows

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in-in the intelligence world.

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Uh, a lot of
what needs to be done here

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will have to be done quietly,
without any discussion...

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Fucking warned them.

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August 6th
presidential briefing:

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"Bin Ladin Determined
to Strike in U.S."

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- Flashing red lights.
- And before that,

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in July, what did we say?

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"There will be
significant terrorist attacks

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against the United States in
the weeks and months to come."

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It's not your fault.

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It is a mean, nasty, dangerous,
uh, dirty business out there,

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and we have to operate
in that arena.

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But we need to make certain
that we have not

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tied the hands, if you will,
of our intelligence community.

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Counterterrorism Director Black
and I saw President Bush

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at Camp David this weekend.

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And the president gave me
his word that there will be

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no changes in CIA leadership as
a result of Tuesday's attacks.

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We will look forward now,

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not waste time second-guessing
or looking for blame.

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Going forward, we will be
the tip of the spear

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in the battle against Al Qaeda.

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As I said
to the president, two weeks,

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we'll have flies walking
across Al Qaeda eyeballs.

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I've asked Chief Counsel Rizzo
here to walk us through

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where we are from
a legal standpoint.

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The president has issued
a memorandum of notification

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giving CIA the power to capture
and detain suspected terrorists

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on the battlefield.

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Detain them where?

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Are we bringing them
to the U.S.?

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We're really not
in the prison business

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- over in Counterterrorism.
- Look,

256
00:13:36,483 --> 00:13:39,110
the budget for Counterterrorism
last week was what?

257
00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:41,530
$600 million?

258
00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:45,200
The budget this week is
whatever you need it to be.

259
00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:48,161
And we are in whatever business
it takes to get the job done.

260
00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,122
Initially, CIA legal

261
00:13:51,206 --> 00:13:53,625
stated that any facility used
to hold detainees

262
00:13:53,708 --> 00:13:56,378
had to meet the requirements
of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons,

263
00:13:56,461 --> 00:13:57,605
but then Deputy Director Pavitt

264
00:13:57,629 --> 00:13:58,981
thought that was
gonna be too limiting.

265
00:13:59,005 --> 00:14:01,007
So, who came up
with the black sites?

266
00:14:01,091 --> 00:14:02,092
Not totally clear.

267
00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:03,760
My guess is either

268
00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:06,555
a senior officer
at Counterterr... CTC,

269
00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:08,014
or Alec Station bin Laden unit

270
00:14:08,098 --> 00:14:09,698
decided black sites
were the best option.

271
00:14:09,766 --> 00:14:12,686
Well, did the CIA
tell the State Department

272
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they were making deals
to hold people on foreign soil?

273
00:14:16,565 --> 00:14:19,609
Where was Secretary of State
Powell in all this?

274
00:14:19,693 --> 00:14:21,152
Well, I found a memo.

275
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The CIA's general counsel...

276
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said the decision was made

277
00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:28,743
not to tell Powell
about the program,

278
00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,454
because...

279
00:14:31,538 --> 00:14:33,039
"He would blow his stack

280
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if he were to be briefed
on what was going on."

281
00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:39,421
Well, who decided that?

282
00:14:39,504 --> 00:14:41,256
Someone inside the White House.

283
00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:42,340
Mm-hmm.

284
00:14:43,425 --> 00:14:45,760
What about interrogations?

285
00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,596
President Bush's memoranda

286
00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:49,681
just authorized
capturing and detaining.

287
00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:51,850
It didn't say anything
about interrogations.

288
00:14:51,933 --> 00:14:54,769
And who gave them permission
to play that role?

289
00:14:54,853 --> 00:14:58,732
Nobody. It looks like
it started with legal at CTC.

290
00:15:01,651 --> 00:15:04,255
Do you want me to brief Senator McCain
on this? I know he's interested.

291
00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:06,990
The Republicans just
pulled out of the study, Dan.

292
00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:14,414
Good morning.

293
00:15:14,497 --> 00:15:16,458
Where is everybody?

294
00:15:18,543 --> 00:15:21,129
Attorney General Holder
opened a criminal investigation

295
00:15:21,212 --> 00:15:22,589
into the CIA.

296
00:15:22,672 --> 00:15:25,133
As a result, the Agency
won't allow any of their people

297
00:15:25,216 --> 00:15:26,760
to be interviewed
for our report.

298
00:15:26,843 --> 00:15:29,179
The Republicans don't see
how we can move forward,

299
00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:30,388
so they're out.

300
00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:33,391
So, does this mean we stop?

301
00:15:33,475 --> 00:15:35,185
I mean, the committee
voted to investigate.

302
00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:36,728
The senator says we keep going.

303
00:15:36,811 --> 00:15:38,706
But we can't actually talk
to anyone who was involved

304
00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:40,899
- in the program.
- Right. According to CIA legal,

305
00:15:40,982 --> 00:15:43,443
CIA personnel is
only speaking to DOJ.

306
00:15:43,526 --> 00:15:45,028
And is DOJ gonna
share their findings?

307
00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:46,404
I mean, can we work with them?

308
00:15:46,488 --> 00:15:47,882
I've reached out
to the special prosecutor.

309
00:15:47,906 --> 00:15:49,532
I'm waiting to hear back.

310
00:15:49,616 --> 00:15:51,510
Okay, but if nobody who
actually worked on the program

311
00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:53,787
is going to talk to us,
how do we investigate?

312
00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:55,288
So, we have the files,

313
00:15:55,372 --> 00:15:57,248
their e-mails and cables,
their memos.

314
00:15:57,332 --> 00:15:58,958
We have to use
their own communications

315
00:15:59,042 --> 00:16:00,251
to tell the story.

316
00:16:00,335 --> 00:16:02,796
Do you have any idea
how hard that's gonna be?

317
00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:05,048
The tapes investigation
took two years, Dan,

318
00:16:05,131 --> 00:16:08,009
and this is about a lot more
than what was on the tapes.

319
00:16:08,093 --> 00:16:11,012
Uh, we don't even know
what this is.

320
00:16:11,096 --> 00:16:13,264
Right, but we do know
who it starts with.

321
00:16:13,348 --> 00:16:15,725
We go one detainee at a time.

322
00:16:48,967 --> 00:16:49,967
You speak English?

323
00:16:51,469 --> 00:16:53,179
My name is Ali Soufan.
I'm with the FBI.

324
00:16:53,263 --> 00:16:54,931
You're under arrest.

325
00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:58,017
- You understand?
- No. Where are you taking me?

326
00:17:04,315 --> 00:17:06,860
Your wound is infected.

327
00:17:06,943 --> 00:17:09,070
But we're going to
take good care of you.

328
00:17:13,992 --> 00:17:15,702
I want to show you something.

329
00:17:23,501 --> 00:17:26,045
He's talking to
someone off-screen.

330
00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,341
He's calling him Mukhtar.

331
00:17:30,425 --> 00:17:32,218
You know who that is?

332
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,397
Mukhtar.

333
00:17:51,696 --> 00:17:54,199
A man who lost his mind?

334
00:18:01,623 --> 00:18:03,208
No, not him.

335
00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,092
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

336
00:18:41,913 --> 00:18:43,832
Abu Zubaydah confirmed
that KSM is the leader

337
00:18:43,915 --> 00:18:46,668
of all Al Qaeda operations
outside of Afghanistan.

338
00:18:46,751 --> 00:18:48,044
He trained the hijackers.

339
00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:49,629
We're calling him
the mastermind.

340
00:18:49,712 --> 00:18:51,256
Outstanding.

341
00:18:51,339 --> 00:18:53,341
Hats off to the bin Laden group.

342
00:18:53,424 --> 00:18:55,093
Whichever one of
your people did this,

343
00:18:55,176 --> 00:18:57,345
I want to call them and
congratulate them in person.

344
00:18:57,428 --> 00:18:59,347
Who was it?

345
00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,266
Wasn't our guy.

346
00:19:01,349 --> 00:19:03,184
What? Who got it?

347
00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,937
FBI is working Zubaydah.

348
00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:07,397
An FBI guy got this?

349
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,315
Yes, Ali Soufan.

350
00:19:09,399 --> 00:19:11,234
Uh, they used him
in the Cole investigation.

351
00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:13,677
He's part of their counterterrorism group.
He speaks Arabic.

352
00:19:13,736 --> 00:19:16,364
I don't care who speaks Arabic.

353
00:19:16,447 --> 00:19:19,117
This is not just
a criminal investigation.

354
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,869
We are gathering
intelligence here.

355
00:19:20,952 --> 00:19:22,370
That is what we do.

356
00:19:22,453 --> 00:19:24,706
The FBI is looking at the past.

357
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:26,958
We need to stop attacks
in the future.

358
00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:29,294
I want CIA in the room
with this guy, okay?

359
00:19:29,377 --> 00:19:32,338
I want CIA
in the room with Zubaydah.

360
00:19:32,422 --> 00:19:34,108
So, who do we have
who can work on him?

361
00:19:34,132 --> 00:19:35,652
CIA runs sources,
people who cooperate.

362
00:19:35,717 --> 00:19:37,135
That's not these guys.

363
00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,387
Every second we are not
draining the detainee's brain,

364
00:19:39,470 --> 00:19:41,180
we are rolling the dice.

365
00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:42,765
We need our people in the room.

366
00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:45,727
We need to be the ones
asking the questions now.

367
00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:48,271
I heard from someone
over in Technical Services,

368
00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:50,106
a woman named Miriam,

369
00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:52,817
about a couple of
Air Force psychologists

370
00:19:52,901 --> 00:19:56,237
who came in and pitched a whole
new approach to interrogations.

371
00:19:56,321 --> 00:19:58,615
Jim Mitchell and Bruce Jessen.

372
00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,701
Miriam says Mitchell
has the special sauce.

373
00:20:03,453 --> 00:20:06,247
Zubaydah didn't
tell us everything,

374
00:20:06,331 --> 00:20:10,043
because we stopped short
of where we needed to go.

375
00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:15,757
SERE stands for Survival,
Evasion, Resistance and Escape.

376
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,261
It's a program to help prepare
U.S. Special Forces

377
00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:22,639
for whatever they might
encounter if captured.

378
00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:26,142
Now, I have over 14,000 hours

379
00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,895
observing SERE
interrogation techniques.

380
00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:30,980
Bruce here has more than that...

381
00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,899
Uh, observing, as opposed to...?

382
00:20:32,982 --> 00:20:35,944
I took a course in conducting
interrogations as well.

383
00:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,821
I worked with volunteers
in actual simulations.

384
00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,908
We feel we can reverse engineer

385
00:20:41,991 --> 00:20:45,828
these SERE techniques
to induce learned helplessness.

386
00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:47,830
Can you explain what that means,

387
00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,874
"reverse engineer"?

388
00:20:49,958 --> 00:20:51,918
Instead of using
these techniques

389
00:20:52,001 --> 00:20:53,670
to protect our people,

390
00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:57,882
we use them to achieve
compliance in the detainees.

391
00:20:57,966 --> 00:21:01,177
Our plan involves, uh,
using individual assessments

392
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:05,974
of detainees to create
a program designed to induce

393
00:21:06,057 --> 00:21:09,769
debility, dependency and dread.

394
00:21:09,852 --> 00:21:12,981
- We call these the three "D"s.
- Three "D"s.

395
00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:15,066
And there's science
to back this up?

396
00:21:15,149 --> 00:21:16,693
Oh, yes. Yes, sir.

397
00:21:16,776 --> 00:21:18,486
Excuse me, Dr. Mitchell.

398
00:21:18,569 --> 00:21:21,531
Can you elaborate on, uh, the
techniques you'll be employing?

399
00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:23,032
Absolutely.

400
00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:28,037
The, uh, the attention grasp.

401
00:21:30,248 --> 00:21:31,874
Walling.

402
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:33,960
Facial hold.

403
00:21:34,043 --> 00:21:38,297
The facial slap or insult slap.

404
00:21:38,381 --> 00:21:40,299
Cramped confinement.

405
00:21:41,843 --> 00:21:44,053
Wall standing.

406
00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:47,223
Stress positions.

407
00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,642
Sleep deprivation.

408
00:21:49,726 --> 00:21:51,769
Waterboarding.

409
00:21:51,853 --> 00:21:53,813
Use of insects.

410
00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:56,399
And mock burials.

411
00:21:59,777 --> 00:22:02,030
Well, from my perspective,
this seems like it could be

412
00:22:02,113 --> 00:22:05,033
a potential game changer,
but, of course...

413
00:22:05,116 --> 00:22:07,076
it's up to Director Rodriguez.

414
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,912
I think if we're serious about
stopping the next threat,

415
00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,831
we need to put on
our big boy pants

416
00:22:11,914 --> 00:22:13,708
and provide the authorities
these guys need.

417
00:22:13,791 --> 00:22:18,254
These approaches might...
raise some eyebrows at Defense.

418
00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:21,174
Well, we're not at Defense.
We're at the CIA.

419
00:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,633
Besides, you just said,

420
00:22:22,717 --> 00:22:24,677
we use this SERE stuff
on our guys all the time.

421
00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:26,763
I don't see a problem.

422
00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,765
Shortly after the CIA's decision

423
00:22:28,848 --> 00:22:30,975
to engage Dr. Mitchell,
Abu Zubaydah was moved

424
00:22:31,059 --> 00:22:33,269
to a cell that was lit
24 hours a day.

425
00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,481
Loud noise was fed into
his cell to disrupt his sleep.

426
00:22:36,564 --> 00:22:38,441
What about the guy
who got him talking?

427
00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,151
Ali Soufan?

428
00:22:40,234 --> 00:22:42,111
Wait, he's FBI, not CIA.

429
00:22:42,195 --> 00:22:44,614
So, we can ask him
questions, right?

430
00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:47,075
No rule against that.

431
00:22:47,158 --> 00:22:48,618
We can try.

432
00:22:59,504 --> 00:23:01,839
There's only
one interrogation technique

433
00:23:01,923 --> 00:23:04,425
Rapport building.

434
00:23:04,509 --> 00:23:07,261
You get close to these guys,
and they open up.

435
00:23:07,345 --> 00:23:09,222
But the CIA didn't believe that.

436
00:23:09,305 --> 00:23:10,890
Just look at Abu Zubaydah.

437
00:23:10,973 --> 00:23:13,101
Well, you got him to talk.
How'd you do that?

438
00:23:13,184 --> 00:23:16,270
I walked in one day and
played him a tape of himself.

439
00:23:16,354 --> 00:23:18,689
Most of it was
of a phone conversation.

440
00:23:18,773 --> 00:23:20,233
Uh, we had tapped his phones.

441
00:23:20,316 --> 00:23:22,652
But he forgot to hang up
at the end of the call,

442
00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,571
so we had all this
background noise of his house.

443
00:23:25,655 --> 00:23:27,573
Then my partner walked in

444
00:23:27,657 --> 00:23:30,118
with a big box
full of cassette tapes.

445
00:23:30,201 --> 00:23:32,370
We told him we had bugged
his safe house;

446
00:23:32,453 --> 00:23:34,038
we had been listening
for months;

447
00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:36,707
we knew everything,
so lying was pointless.

448
00:23:36,791 --> 00:23:38,751
He looked at
the box full of tapes and...

449
00:23:38,835 --> 00:23:40,211
And all-all the tapes
were blank.

450
00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:43,005
Of course they were.
But he didn't know that.

451
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,049
So, he talked.

452
00:23:45,133 --> 00:23:48,553
Uh, what happened when
the contractors showed up?

453
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,472
Who the fuck is this?

454
00:23:51,556 --> 00:23:53,492
Dr. Mitchell
is an Air Force psychologist,

455
00:23:53,516 --> 00:23:55,643
and he's developed
a new method of interrogation.

456
00:23:55,726 --> 00:23:57,246
Why-why do we need a new method?

457
00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:59,188
He's not telling you everything.

458
00:23:59,272 --> 00:24:01,399
We think he knows more.

459
00:24:01,482 --> 00:24:02,733
We put him at number three

460
00:24:02,817 --> 00:24:04,360
or number four
in Al Qaeda leadership.

461
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:05,546
He probably knows the next move.

462
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:07,864
Do you speak Arabic, Jim?
Does Gary here?

463
00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:09,198
Don't need to.

464
00:24:10,908 --> 00:24:12,535
C-Can I ask you something?

465
00:24:12,618 --> 00:24:16,873
Have you ever interrogated
any sort of extremist before?

466
00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:19,959
- Know much about Al Qaeda?
- No.

467
00:24:20,042 --> 00:24:22,628
Have you ever interrogated
any sort of terrorist before?

468
00:24:22,712 --> 00:24:26,132
- No.
- Any sort of criminal?

469
00:24:26,215 --> 00:24:27,592
No.

470
00:24:27,675 --> 00:24:30,344
Have you ever interrogated
anyone before?

471
00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:31,679
It's not important.

472
00:24:31,762 --> 00:24:35,808
He's a human;
I'm a psychologist.

473
00:24:35,892 --> 00:24:37,643
He knows a secret,

474
00:24:37,727 --> 00:24:42,190
and I'm gonna get him
to tell that secret to Gary.

475
00:24:42,273 --> 00:24:44,554
What-what are you going
to do to him that isn't...

476
00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:46,861
What am I gonna do?

477
00:24:46,944 --> 00:24:48,571
What is Jim gonna do?

478
00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:51,908
Jim's gonna do what works.

479
00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:55,995
Let's go, shitbird!

480
00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:01,876
Move it, asshole!

481
00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:04,879
Help! Please!

482
00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:23,064
You can't just shave
a Muslim man.

483
00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,267
Do you know what that means?

484
00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:26,525
He's going to shut down.

485
00:25:26,609 --> 00:25:29,153
Got to humiliate him,
right off the bat.

486
00:25:29,237 --> 00:25:31,113
Same reason
we took away his clothes.

487
00:25:31,197 --> 00:25:32,740
Why the loud music?

488
00:25:32,823 --> 00:25:34,575
Sleep deprivation.

489
00:25:34,659 --> 00:25:37,245
We stop the music
when he starts talking.

490
00:25:37,328 --> 00:25:38,913
Then he can sleep.

491
00:25:38,996 --> 00:25:40,581
Tired people tell the truth?

492
00:25:40,665 --> 00:25:42,708
Learned helplessness.

493
00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:45,836
You're familiar with
Dr. Martin Seligman?

494
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,381
Seligman did
an experiment with dogs.

495
00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:50,299
He put them in a cage

496
00:25:50,383 --> 00:25:52,927
with a barrier
running down the middle.

497
00:25:53,010 --> 00:25:54,637
And one side of the cage
was electrified

498
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,264
and the other wasn't.

499
00:25:56,347 --> 00:25:58,140
At first,
when he shocked the dogs,

500
00:25:58,224 --> 00:26:00,142
they'd jump over the barrier
to get away.

501
00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,436
And then
he electrified both sides.

502
00:26:04,021 --> 00:26:05,439
There was no escape.

503
00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:09,402
No belief they could
change anything.

504
00:26:09,485 --> 00:26:13,489
He'd open the door to the cage,
they wouldn't even leave.

505
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,032
It's learned helplessness.

506
00:26:15,116 --> 00:26:17,076
That's what we're
gonna instill in this man.

507
00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:18,869
You'll see.

508
00:26:25,001 --> 00:26:27,628
A coffin? You're gonna kill him?

509
00:26:27,712 --> 00:26:29,922
Let's call it a confinement box.

510
00:26:30,006 --> 00:26:32,758
I got this one,
and I got a smaller one.

511
00:26:32,842 --> 00:26:35,511
And you're gonna
put him in there?

512
00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:40,599
With these, which, based on
my evaluation, he hates.

513
00:26:40,683 --> 00:26:42,393
Are you out of your mind?

514
00:26:43,394 --> 00:26:44,979
We don't do this.

515
00:26:45,062 --> 00:26:46,522
You know this is
against the law.

516
00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:49,150
The most senior people
have signed off on it.

517
00:26:49,233 --> 00:26:50,735
We're putting him on trial.

518
00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:52,903
How are we gonna build
a case against him?

519
00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,615
Who says he's getting a trial?

520
00:26:58,492 --> 00:27:01,620
I wanted to arrest him
right there on the spot.

521
00:27:01,704 --> 00:27:04,123
- I told the Bureau that.
- What'd they say?

522
00:27:04,206 --> 00:27:06,000
They briefed Director Mueller,

523
00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:09,170
and told me to get the hell
out of there, so I did.

524
00:27:09,253 --> 00:27:11,964
- When was that?
- Late May, mid-May or...

525
00:27:12,048 --> 00:27:14,592
'Cause I'm finding records
that say that Mitchell left

526
00:27:14,675 --> 00:27:16,552
a little while later,
early June,

527
00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:20,181
for R & R and some meetings
at headquarters.

528
00:27:20,264 --> 00:27:22,850
But we had one
high-value detainee in custody,

529
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:24,435
Abu Zubaydah.

530
00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:27,063
And after Mitchell left,
the CIA put him in isolation,

531
00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:29,815
and didn't ask him
a single question for 47 days.

532
00:27:31,567 --> 00:27:33,527
Are you fucking kidding me?

533
00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:35,738
The whole country was
on red alert that summer.

534
00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:37,740
If they were so concerned
about the next attack,

535
00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:39,092
why'd they stop
asking questions?

536
00:27:39,116 --> 00:27:40,396
Right, it doesn't
make any sense.

537
00:27:40,451 --> 00:27:42,453
Once the psychologist showed up,

538
00:27:42,536 --> 00:27:44,205
almost nothing did anymore.

539
00:27:51,462 --> 00:27:53,631
The CIA said
Zubaydah was involved

540
00:27:53,714 --> 00:27:55,758
in every major
terrorist operation

541
00:27:55,841 --> 00:27:57,134
carried out by Al Qaeda.

542
00:27:57,218 --> 00:27:58,636
They told the president

543
00:27:58,719 --> 00:28:00,238
he was number three or four
in the organization.

544
00:28:00,262 --> 00:28:02,723
Yes, that was
my understanding as well.

545
00:28:02,807 --> 00:28:04,975
And the claim that
Zubaydah was a major player

546
00:28:05,059 --> 00:28:07,499
was the main justification they
gave to the Justice Department

547
00:28:07,561 --> 00:28:09,021
for needing to go harder.

548
00:28:09,105 --> 00:28:10,916
They were certain
he knew about the next attack.

549
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,566
But last night I found this.

550
00:28:13,984 --> 00:28:16,487
Turns out Zubaydah wasn't three
or four in the organization.

551
00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:18,823
He wasn't part of
Al Qaeda leadership at all.

552
00:28:18,906 --> 00:28:20,950
They only had one source
calling him that,

553
00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:23,327
and that source later admitted
he was lying.

554
00:28:23,411 --> 00:28:26,080
So, they exaggerated who he was

555
00:28:26,163 --> 00:28:28,707
to the president
and the Department of Justice

556
00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:32,128
in order to get legal approvals
for these new techniques?

557
00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:33,671
Is that what you're saying?

558
00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:36,424
I think that's a possibility.

559
00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,217
The program
really starts with him.

560
00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:45,224
Have you guys
used this thing before?

561
00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,476
The waterboard?

562
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,270
No, it's a Navy thing.

563
00:28:49,353 --> 00:28:51,063
But we watched a video.

564
00:28:51,147 --> 00:28:52,648
We tested it on each other,

565
00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:55,276
just to get a feel
for the experience.

566
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,027
Is it safe?

567
00:28:58,612 --> 00:28:59,864
Yes.

568
00:29:07,371 --> 00:29:09,457
<i>♪ Monarch to the kingdom
of the dead... ♪</i>

569
00:29:11,417 --> 00:29:14,044
Who are
the operatives inside the U.S.?

570
00:29:14,128 --> 00:29:15,504
I don't know!

571
00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:17,965
<i>♪ Infamous... ♪</i>

572
00:29:20,134 --> 00:29:21,677
When is the next attack?

573
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,761
I don't know.

574
00:29:31,395 --> 00:29:35,608
One, two, three, four, five,

575
00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:40,237
six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11,

576
00:29:40,321 --> 00:29:42,948
12, 13, 14,

577
00:29:43,032 --> 00:29:46,452
15, 16, 17, 18,

578
00:29:46,535 --> 00:29:50,039
19, 20, 21, 22,

579
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,835
23, 24, 25, 26.

580
00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:04,553
When is the next attack?

581
00:30:04,637 --> 00:30:07,473
Who are the operatives
inside the U.S.?

582
00:30:11,894 --> 00:30:13,854
Anything in that bag
contain the real names

583
00:30:13,938 --> 00:30:16,148
of CIA officers,
assets or partners,

584
00:30:16,232 --> 00:30:18,609
or any information that would
violate the agreement between

585
00:30:18,692 --> 00:30:21,570
the Central Intelligence Agency
and the United States Senate?

586
00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:23,489
- All good.
- All right, good night.

587
00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,241
- Have a good night, Jay.
- Get home safe.

588
00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:27,409
Good night.

589
00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:45,052
Dan Jones?

590
00:30:48,264 --> 00:30:49,723
Do I know you?

591
00:30:49,807 --> 00:30:51,892
No, but I think I can help you.

592
00:30:51,976 --> 00:30:54,937
- Help-help me with what?
- The EIT program.

593
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:57,106
That's what you're
looking into, isn't it?

594
00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:03,153
I need to know
I won't be named, anywhere.

595
00:31:03,237 --> 00:31:05,030
I'm still with the Agency.

596
00:31:05,114 --> 00:31:08,701
My even being here with you,
talking, is...

597
00:31:12,496 --> 00:31:13,872
What was your involvement?

598
00:31:13,956 --> 00:31:17,543
Office of Medical Services,
black sites.

599
00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:20,713
- So, you're a doctor?
- Physician's assistant.

600
00:31:20,796 --> 00:31:22,339
The American Medical Association

601
00:31:22,423 --> 00:31:23,882
won't allow doctors
to be involved.

602
00:31:23,966 --> 00:31:26,302
Do no harm.

603
00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,554
We're the next best thing.

604
00:31:28,637 --> 00:31:31,223
I was there
when the contractors arrived.

605
00:31:33,309 --> 00:31:35,686
They made tapes of the
Abu Zubaydah interrogations,

606
00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:37,187
but there's a 21-hour period

607
00:31:37,271 --> 00:31:39,231
where the transcripts
are missing... nothing.

608
00:31:39,315 --> 00:31:41,025
They were using the waterboard.

609
00:31:41,108 --> 00:31:43,027
Zubaydah lost consciousness.

610
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:45,279
He was choking to death,
drowning.

611
00:31:45,362 --> 00:31:47,156
Not just thinking
he was drowning,

612
00:31:47,239 --> 00:31:48,991
he was actually
fucking drowning.

613
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,661
I was told that the waterboard

614
00:31:52,745 --> 00:31:54,913
was only gonna be used
as a last resort.

615
00:31:54,997 --> 00:31:57,249
The contractors did
an assessment of the prisoner,

616
00:31:57,333 --> 00:31:59,460
- and they made a call...
- What kind of assessment?

617
00:31:59,543 --> 00:32:01,378
Th-They bounced him
off the walls a few times

618
00:32:01,462 --> 00:32:03,964
and then strapped him down and
poured water down his throat.

619
00:32:04,048 --> 00:32:05,966
We understand this is
a different approach,

620
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:08,218
- but it's based on science.
- Science?

621
00:32:08,302 --> 00:32:09,928
Oh, come on. What science?

622
00:32:10,012 --> 00:32:12,157
- Have you seen their science?
- They believe the waterboard

623
00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:13,575
is working here
to create compliance.

624
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:14,850
Well, of course they do.

625
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,019
They're the ones who get
to decide when it's used.

626
00:32:17,102 --> 00:32:19,772
And they're also the ones who
get to decide if it's working.

627
00:32:19,855 --> 00:32:21,440
How is that even ethical?

628
00:32:21,523 --> 00:32:23,609
The people we're dealing with
weaponized daily life.

629
00:32:23,692 --> 00:32:26,153
Would you like to talk about
the ethics of that?

630
00:32:27,071 --> 00:32:28,405
We're here to make sure

631
00:32:28,489 --> 00:32:30,949
that nothing like that
ever happens again.

632
00:32:31,033 --> 00:32:32,451
They're training their people

633
00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:33,845
to resist
traditional interrogations

634
00:32:33,869 --> 00:32:35,149
in the back of a cave somewhere.

635
00:32:35,204 --> 00:32:37,456
So we need to change
our approach

636
00:32:37,539 --> 00:32:41,627
before another bomb goes off
or another building falls down.

637
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,295
Okay, okay.

638
00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:47,132
What is gonna happen when one
of our soldiers gets captured

639
00:32:47,216 --> 00:32:49,885
and takes out a card with
the Geneva Convention on it

640
00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,346
and wants to be treated
like a human being?

641
00:32:52,429 --> 00:32:54,973
You think his captors
aren't gonna remember

642
00:32:55,057 --> 00:32:56,975
the way these people
were treated here?

643
00:32:57,059 --> 00:33:00,062
- And for what?
- Do you have a kid at home?

644
00:33:02,898 --> 00:33:05,818
We're not gonna get beat again.

645
00:33:05,901 --> 00:33:07,152
Besides the chief of station,

646
00:33:07,236 --> 00:33:09,446
did you report your concerns
up the chain of command?

647
00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:12,199
We got a cable from
Director Rodriguez

648
00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:15,327
telling us to stop putting
our objections in writing.

649
00:33:15,411 --> 00:33:17,579
No paper trail.

650
00:33:17,663 --> 00:33:20,833
I told them if they were gonna
keep using the new techniques,

651
00:33:20,916 --> 00:33:22,751
I wanted out.

652
00:33:22,835 --> 00:33:25,504
I wasn't the only one.
Guys were choking up.

653
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,551
It's all in the e-mails.

654
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:37,057
As early as November 2001,

655
00:33:37,141 --> 00:33:40,144
the CIA's legal team
circulated a memorandum

656
00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:41,770
describing a novel legal defense

657
00:33:41,854 --> 00:33:44,106
for their officers
who might engage in torture.

658
00:33:44,189 --> 00:33:46,734
Come on. They actually
called it torture?

659
00:33:46,817 --> 00:33:48,277
The CIA?

660
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,404
They just forgot
we have laws against that?

661
00:33:50,487 --> 00:33:52,781
Yes, sir.
Mitchell and Jessen renamed it

662
00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:54,742
"enhanced interrogation"
to help sell it,

663
00:33:54,825 --> 00:33:56,618
but the Agency was
talking about doing it

664
00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,328
before they even had
a single detainee.

665
00:33:59,621 --> 00:34:01,790
How did the CIA know

666
00:34:01,874 --> 00:34:03,667
they needed to torture prisoners

667
00:34:03,751 --> 00:34:05,878
before they even had one?

668
00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:07,796
That didn't come from
Cheney and Addington?

669
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,757
Seems like it happened
the other way around.

670
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,760
The CIA took it
to the Bush White House

671
00:34:12,843 --> 00:34:14,803
and John Yoo at
the Office of Legal Counsel.

672
00:34:14,887 --> 00:34:16,472
So, here's where we're at.

673
00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:19,808
The crime of torture,
as described in Section 2340,

674
00:34:19,892 --> 00:34:23,479
requires that the defendant...
In this case, an interrogator...

675
00:34:23,562 --> 00:34:26,690
Intends to cause
severe pain or suffering.

676
00:34:26,774 --> 00:34:29,693
But in this case, that's not
the interrogator's intent.

677
00:34:29,777 --> 00:34:32,946
Right. The intent is to gain
intel, save American lives.

678
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:35,783
But, John,
what if the techniques

679
00:34:35,866 --> 00:34:37,534
the interrogator employs
do nonetheless

680
00:34:37,618 --> 00:34:39,161
cause pain and suffering?

681
00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:40,788
How do we deal with that?

682
00:34:40,871 --> 00:34:43,874
Well, the key phrase is
"severe pain or suffering."

683
00:34:43,957 --> 00:34:46,460
But 2340 never actually defines
the term "severe."

684
00:34:46,543 --> 00:34:49,630
We found this definition
in a Medicare statute.

685
00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:55,427
"Acute symptoms that place the
individual in serious jeopardy

686
00:34:55,511 --> 00:34:57,721
- "and are hard to endure."
- Meaning?

687
00:34:57,805 --> 00:35:00,015
To constitute torture,

688
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:04,728
the damage done must rise
to the level of organ failure,

689
00:35:04,812 --> 00:35:09,024
impairment of bodily function,
or death.

690
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,568
So, basically, if someone dies,
we're doing it wrong?

691
00:35:11,652 --> 00:35:13,570
If the president
deemed it necessary

692
00:35:13,654 --> 00:35:16,532
to... crush the testicles
of a child

693
00:35:16,615 --> 00:35:18,617
to stop a plane
from crashing into a building,

694
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:19,993
to save American lives,

695
00:35:20,077 --> 00:35:22,955
there is no law or treaty
that could stop him.

696
00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:25,749
I can make the same argument for

697
00:35:25,833 --> 00:35:29,044
gouging out a prisoner's eyes
or dousing him with acid.

698
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,505
In our opinion,

699
00:35:31,588 --> 00:35:36,802
if it provides unique
intelligence that saves lives,

700
00:35:36,885 --> 00:35:39,012
and doesn't cause
any lasting harm,

701
00:35:39,096 --> 00:35:41,223
then it's legal
for the president to order it.

702
00:35:41,306 --> 00:35:43,433
What do we mean
when we say "unique"?

703
00:35:43,517 --> 00:35:46,144
Intelligence that couldn't have
been obtained any other way.

704
00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:51,358
And you've discussed all of this

705
00:35:51,441 --> 00:35:53,235
with the White House, I assume?

706
00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:54,695
And?

707
00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:57,614
Did they tell Bush what
they were gonna do to Zubaydah?

708
00:35:57,698 --> 00:35:59,634
- No.
- And National Security Advisor Rice...

709
00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,761
- Where was she in all this?
- National Security Advisor Rice

710
00:36:01,785 --> 00:36:04,204
was told about the program,
but she was also told

711
00:36:04,288 --> 00:36:06,665
the president
would not be briefed.

712
00:36:06,748 --> 00:36:08,792
Who tells the president's
national security advisor

713
00:36:08,876 --> 00:36:10,836
not to brief the president?

714
00:36:12,337 --> 00:36:14,756
Cheney and Addington.

715
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,260
According to CIA records, Bush
wasn't told about the program

716
00:36:18,343 --> 00:36:23,223
until April of 2006,
four years later.

717
00:36:27,561 --> 00:36:29,229
And the records we found state

718
00:36:29,313 --> 00:36:32,816
that when the president was
finally told about the program,

719
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,236
he expressed discomfort
with the image of a detainee

720
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,920
chained to the ceiling,
wearing a diaper,

721
00:36:37,988 --> 00:36:40,616
and forced to go
to the bathroom on himself.

722
00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:44,578
How long till you can
get this thing done, Dan?

723
00:36:44,661 --> 00:36:46,663
We've got to get this out.

724
00:36:52,085 --> 00:36:54,796
What about this guy, Gul Rahman?

725
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,341
Captured in Peshawar,
November 2002.

726
00:36:57,424 --> 00:37:00,594
He's not at Gitmo.
He's-he's not anywhere.

727
00:37:06,141 --> 00:37:07,893
Gul Rahman.

728
00:37:07,976 --> 00:37:09,728
Gul...

729
00:37:09,811 --> 00:37:12,606
No. They didn't tell
the committee about him.

730
00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:15,275
He's detainee number 24.

731
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,783
HQ says he knows

732
00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,786
operational detail
about Al Qaeda.

733
00:37:25,869 --> 00:37:27,496
The guy's an asshole.

734
00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:30,207
Threw his food at us, he
threatened to kill the guards.

735
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:34,169
I've asked headquarters
to approve the application

736
00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:36,964
of the enhanced measures
for this detainee,

737
00:37:37,047 --> 00:37:38,715
and the request
has been approved.

738
00:37:38,799 --> 00:37:42,219
- Oh, great. We haven't had any luck loosening him up.
- Mm.

739
00:37:42,302 --> 00:37:43,845
Come on!

740
00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:45,448
Ran him up and down the hall,

741
00:37:45,472 --> 00:37:47,849
beat the crap out of him...
Nothing.

742
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:52,229
Even been trying this thing
they call short shackling.

743
00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:54,564
Chain a dude's hands
to a bolt on the floor.

744
00:37:56,316 --> 00:37:58,777
Then you chain his feet
to the same bolt.

745
00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:01,571
Farmers call it hog-tying,
I think.

746
00:38:01,655 --> 00:38:04,116
He finally admitted
to something.

747
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,450
What was that?

748
00:38:05,534 --> 00:38:09,621
Gul Rahman.

749
00:38:11,915 --> 00:38:17,337
What you want to do first is
take away his sense of control.

750
00:38:17,421 --> 00:38:19,840
If you like, I could spend
some time showing you

751
00:38:19,923 --> 00:38:23,010
how to achieve this
with the enhanced techniques.

752
00:38:24,594 --> 00:38:25,887
Great.

753
00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:29,141
We got another 30 guys here
to deal with.

754
00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:34,604
I heard you told the doctor
you were cold.

755
00:38:37,858 --> 00:38:39,234
<i>♪ The beautiful people ♪</i>

756
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,194
- ♪</i> The beautiful people ♪</i>
- ♪</i> Ah ♪</i>

757
00:38:41,278 --> 00:38:42,779
<i>♪ The beautiful people ♪</i>

758
00:38:42,863 --> 00:38:44,343
- ♪</i> The beautiful people ♪</i>
- ♪</i> Ah... ♪</i>

759
00:38:53,081 --> 00:38:55,417
Senator, do you have
a few minutes this morning?

760
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,295
Absolutely. Come on in, Dan.

761
00:38:58,378 --> 00:39:00,964
The senator is
needed on the floor for a vote.

762
00:39:01,048 --> 00:39:02,883
Uh, give her five minutes.

763
00:39:04,551 --> 00:39:06,928
Did you sleep last night, Dan?

764
00:39:10,057 --> 00:39:12,309
Uh, Senator, a prisoner died.

765
00:39:12,392 --> 00:39:14,078
<i>♪ There's no time ♪</i>

766
00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:16,772
<i>♪ To discriminate,
hate every motherfucker ♪</i>

767
00:39:16,855 --> 00:39:18,065
<i>♪ That's in your... ♪</i>

768
00:39:18,148 --> 00:39:20,609
Gul Rahman.

769
00:39:20,692 --> 00:39:23,070
They thought he was maybe
working for an Afghan warlord

770
00:39:23,153 --> 00:39:24,988
or that he knew something
about an attack.

771
00:39:25,072 --> 00:39:26,865
- Did he?
- No, he died before they found out

772
00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:28,825
anything besides his name.

773
00:39:28,909 --> 00:39:30,410
Dumped cold water on him
one night

774
00:39:30,494 --> 00:39:32,412
and found him dead in his cell
in the morning.

775
00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:33,997
The autopsy said hypothermia.

776
00:39:34,081 --> 00:39:37,250
- Where did you get this from?
- Inspector general's report.

777
00:39:37,334 --> 00:39:41,713
CIA did their own investigation
into the death of Gul Rahman.

778
00:39:43,882 --> 00:39:45,592
The officer in charge
was recommended

779
00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:47,260
for a performance bonus.

780
00:39:47,344 --> 00:39:48,595
They promoted him.

781
00:39:48,678 --> 00:39:50,680
He's still out there
in the field.

782
00:39:55,102 --> 00:39:58,814
Well, are you accusing the CIA
of murder, Dan?

783
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:03,026
Because that sounds like
where this is going.

784
00:40:03,110 --> 00:40:04,903
We have proof
the deputy director

785
00:40:04,986 --> 00:40:08,031
coached the officer in charge
how to cover up what happened,

786
00:40:08,115 --> 00:40:10,534
told him to be careful
what he put in writing.

787
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:13,870
So, why would they need
to cover it up

788
00:40:13,954 --> 00:40:15,994
if they were following
standard operating procedure?

789
00:40:16,998 --> 00:40:18,542
Why didn't they tell
the committee?

790
00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,877
Why didn't they tell you?

791
00:40:25,048 --> 00:40:27,551
I'm gonna need to review
all this personally.

792
00:40:29,136 --> 00:40:30,554
It's very disconcerting.

793
00:40:39,062 --> 00:40:41,606
"Disconcerting"?
"Very disconcerting"?

794
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:43,358
Dan, you need to be
careful here.

795
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,861
You're getting
emotionally involved.

796
00:40:45,944 --> 00:40:48,989
They fucking killed a guy, and
nobody was held accountable?

797
00:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,325
W-We don't know
he was a terrorist.

798
00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:55,287
- We barely even know his name.
- I understand.

799
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:57,164
And what you need
to understand is that

800
00:40:57,247 --> 00:41:00,167
her name is going
on this report, not yours.

801
00:41:00,250 --> 00:41:02,103
Senate staff doesn't
have to run for reelection,

802
00:41:02,127 --> 00:41:03,545
but she does.

803
00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:06,882
Their legal argument said EITs
wouldn't cause lasting harm.

804
00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:09,718
So how long is Gul Rahman
gonna be dead for?

805
00:41:19,269 --> 00:41:21,521
Are you guys seeing
this Panetta review?

806
00:41:21,605 --> 00:41:23,190
It just showed up.

807
00:41:25,066 --> 00:41:26,443
I don't understand.

808
00:41:26,526 --> 00:41:29,362
Looks like the CIA did
their own investigation.

809
00:41:29,446 --> 00:41:32,032
It confirms everything
we've been finding.

810
00:41:37,287 --> 00:41:41,333
So, what are you
gonna do with it?

811
00:41:41,416 --> 00:41:43,376
Hopefully, nothing.

812
00:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,670
Special Prosecutor Durham,
please?

813
00:41:45,754 --> 00:41:48,423
I've already left
several messages.

814
00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,634
It's Dan Jones again from
the Intelligence Committee.

815
00:41:50,717 --> 00:41:51,968
How are you?

816
00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:54,346
Good. I just wanted
to check in again to see

817
00:41:54,429 --> 00:41:56,014
if the special prosecutor
is available

818
00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:57,599
to meet on the CIA probe.

819
00:41:59,059 --> 00:42:01,937
It can be off the record.
I just want to compare notes.

820
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,316
Yeah, same number. Thank you.

821
00:42:10,445 --> 00:42:12,215
You know, we got to think back

822
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,365
to the period after 9/11.

823
00:42:13,448 --> 00:42:14,908
We didn't even know who hit us.

824
00:42:14,991 --> 00:42:16,344
We didn't know that
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was

825
00:42:16,368 --> 00:42:17,661
the mastermind of 9/11

826
00:42:17,744 --> 00:42:19,344
or the operational commander
of Al Qaeda.

827
00:42:19,412 --> 00:42:20,932
And then we started rounding up
these terrorists.

828
00:42:20,956 --> 00:42:22,207
We caught Abu Zubaydah.

829
00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,292
We caught, uh,
Ramzi bin al-Shibh and KSM.

830
00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:26,795
And these guys provided us
information under questioning

831
00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:30,257
by the CIA that stopped
a number of terrorist attacks.

832
00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:31,800
They were pl-planning to blow up

833
00:42:31,883 --> 00:42:33,443
the U.S. consulate
in Karachi, Pakistan.

834
00:42:33,468 --> 00:42:35,071
- Shit.
- They were planning to blow up

835
00:42:35,095 --> 00:42:36,295
our Marine camp in Djibouti...

836
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,562
- Good morning.
- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was

837
00:42:44,646 --> 00:42:49,401
indicted in New York for trying
to blow up airplanes in 1995.

838
00:42:49,484 --> 00:42:50,902
The CIA already knew about him.

839
00:42:50,986 --> 00:42:52,654
They knew he was close
to bin Laden.

840
00:42:52,737 --> 00:42:54,340
They knew about him before
Zubaydah ever identified him.

841
00:42:54,364 --> 00:42:55,740
How long have you been here?

842
00:42:55,824 --> 00:42:57,664
Also, according to this cable...
A few hours...

843
00:42:57,742 --> 00:42:59,244
A CIA officer in Islamabad

844
00:42:59,327 --> 00:43:01,204
began working someone
they call Asset X.

845
00:43:01,288 --> 00:43:04,874
X claimed to have
direct access to KSM,

846
00:43:04,958 --> 00:43:07,294
but was eventually turned away
when he asked for money.

847
00:43:08,378 --> 00:43:10,755
- How much money?
- Few thousand bucks.

848
00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:13,133
Two years later, after
they've been putting him off,

849
00:43:13,216 --> 00:43:15,510
putting him off, putting him
off, they finally pay him,

850
00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:17,095
and almost immediately
he sends a text

851
00:43:17,178 --> 00:43:19,639
"I'm with KSM."

852
00:43:19,723 --> 00:43:22,225
It had nothing to do
with the waterboard.

853
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:24,894
- Good morning.
- Good morning.

854
00:43:41,161 --> 00:43:43,830
One, two, three,

855
00:43:43,913 --> 00:43:46,082
four, five, six...

856
00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:48,626
Who are you
working with in the U.S.?

857
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:51,838
Seven, eight, nine, 10, 11...

858
00:43:51,921 --> 00:43:53,882
We have your kids!

859
00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:56,551
- 12, 13, 14, 15,
- ♪</i> Yankee Doodle, keep it up ♪</i>

860
00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,511
- 16, 17...
- ♪</i> Yankee Doodle dandy... ♪</i>

861
00:43:58,595 --> 00:44:01,264
It will stop if you talk!

862
00:44:01,348 --> 00:44:04,559
<i>♪ And with the girls be handy,
Yankee Doodle... ♪</i>

863
00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,770
Where is the next attack?

864
00:44:06,853 --> 00:44:08,164
Canary Wharf! Canary Wharf!

865
00:44:08,188 --> 00:44:09,939
<i>♪ Stuck a feather in ♪</i>

866
00:44:10,023 --> 00:44:11,608
<i>♪ His hat and called it... ♪</i>

867
00:44:11,691 --> 00:44:12,918
Okay, here's the problem.

868
00:44:12,942 --> 00:44:14,527
We already know about

869
00:44:14,611 --> 00:44:16,738
the Heathrow
and Canary Wharf plots.

870
00:44:16,821 --> 00:44:19,407
He knows that.
It's in his goddamn notebook.

871
00:44:19,491 --> 00:44:21,701
We asked about plots
in the U.S., not London.

872
00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:24,120
- He's fucking with you again.
- To be honest,

873
00:44:24,204 --> 00:44:27,165
I've never met a resistor
like this guy.

874
00:44:27,248 --> 00:44:28,750
He's a super resistor.

875
00:44:28,833 --> 00:44:30,502
He lied to you to make you stop.

876
00:44:30,585 --> 00:44:32,730
He just tells us shit
he knows we already have.

877
00:44:32,754 --> 00:44:34,089
That's all he does.

878
00:44:34,172 --> 00:44:36,716
Then that's what we're learning.

879
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,387
That's what the waterboard
is giving us.

880
00:44:41,971 --> 00:44:44,724
We now know he's lying.

881
00:44:44,808 --> 00:44:46,851
I thought it was meant
to give us the truth.

882
00:44:46,935 --> 00:44:50,855
And... the truth is he's lying.

883
00:44:58,196 --> 00:45:01,199
Headquarters says we go again.

884
00:45:02,492 --> 00:45:04,160
The chief of interrogations

885
00:45:04,244 --> 00:45:06,579
ordered the rectal rehydration
of KSM,

886
00:45:06,663 --> 00:45:08,415
not for health reasons,

887
00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:10,792
but as a way of showing total
control over the detainee.

888
00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:13,753
Even though
rectal rehydration was never

889
00:45:13,837 --> 00:45:15,731
an approved technique.

890
00:45:15,755 --> 00:45:17,650
Total control isn't
chaining the guy to the wall,

891
00:45:17,674 --> 00:45:19,568
keeping him awake for days,
and threatening his family?

892
00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:21,219
You need to shove a tube
up his ass?

893
00:45:21,302 --> 00:45:22,905
This right here

894
00:45:22,929 --> 00:45:24,472
is the rest of your life

895
00:45:24,556 --> 00:45:26,599
unless you start telling the truth.

896
00:45:26,683 --> 00:45:28,244
Then they went back
to waterboarding him.

897
00:45:28,268 --> 00:45:29,912
"When a medical officer
pressed on KSM's..."

898
00:45:29,936 --> 00:45:31,563
- Wait. Where are you?
- Next page.

899
00:45:31,646 --> 00:45:33,648
"When a medical officer
pressed on KSM's abdomen,

900
00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,692
he expressed water
from his mouth and nose."

901
00:45:35,775 --> 00:45:37,694
So, he was swallowing
all the water.

902
00:45:37,777 --> 00:45:39,028
"On March 17th",

903
00:45:39,112 --> 00:45:40,864
the waterboard technique
began to evolve."

904
00:45:43,324 --> 00:45:45,243
Interrogators used their hands
to maintain

905
00:45:45,326 --> 00:45:48,246
a pool of water
over KSM's nose and mouth.

906
00:45:58,715 --> 00:46:02,010
Who are
the operatives inside the U.S.?

907
00:46:02,093 --> 00:46:04,762
Issa... Issa...

908
00:46:04,846 --> 00:46:06,806
Issa al-Britani.

909
00:46:08,391 --> 00:46:09,851
Where is the next attack?

910
00:46:09,934 --> 00:46:11,686
M-Montana.

911
00:46:13,188 --> 00:46:15,482
We got something.

912
00:46:17,734 --> 00:46:20,862
KSM told interrogators he sent
Abu Issa al-Britani to the U.S.

913
00:46:20,945 --> 00:46:24,115
to recruit African American
Muslims in Montana

914
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:26,117
to blow up gas stations
and start forest fires.

915
00:46:26,201 --> 00:46:27,202
Montana?

916
00:46:27,285 --> 00:46:29,412
Muslims in Montana?

917
00:46:29,496 --> 00:46:31,831
The FBI had serious doubts
as well.

918
00:46:31,915 --> 00:46:34,334
Later, KSM admitted
he just told them

919
00:46:34,417 --> 00:46:36,794
what they wanted to hear
to make it stop.

920
00:46:36,878 --> 00:46:40,632
So, did they get anything
actionable from him at all?

921
00:46:40,715 --> 00:46:42,175
Anything that saved lives?

922
00:46:42,258 --> 00:46:45,595
They waterboarded him
183 times, and then concluded

923
00:46:45,678 --> 00:46:47,764
KSM may never be
forthcoming or honest.

924
00:46:47,847 --> 00:46:49,599
Everything they got from him

925
00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:52,769
was either a lie
or something they already had.

926
00:46:52,852 --> 00:46:55,522
Well, okay,
so my first question is:

927
00:46:55,605 --> 00:46:59,859
If it works, why do you need
to do it 183 times?

928
00:47:00,944 --> 00:47:02,320
Maybe when the report comes out,

929
00:47:02,403 --> 00:47:04,030
people will finally see that.

930
00:47:04,113 --> 00:47:07,367
Well, let's worry about getting
it right, getting it done.

931
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:09,827
We can worry about
changing the world later.

932
00:47:24,467 --> 00:47:26,261
Sorry I'm late.

933
00:47:26,344 --> 00:47:28,388
It's okay.

934
00:47:28,471 --> 00:47:31,099
- Barely slept.
- Want some coffee?

935
00:47:34,602 --> 00:47:36,521
Hey, can I ask you something?

936
00:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,856
You ever, uh, have dreams,

937
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:41,568
you know, about the stuff
that's in the report?

938
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,905
Yeah. I have one
where I'm drowning.

939
00:47:45,989 --> 00:47:48,366
I can't move my arms or legs.
I can't breathe.

940
00:47:48,449 --> 00:47:50,743
- That wakes me up.
- Last night I dreamt

941
00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:53,705
I was trapped in
one of those confinement boxes.

942
00:47:53,788 --> 00:47:55,540
They just left me there.

943
00:47:55,623 --> 00:47:58,167
Daniel Jones, right?

944
00:47:58,251 --> 00:48:00,628
- Do I know you?
- I just wanted to tell you to your face

945
00:48:00,712 --> 00:48:02,755
that I think you
and that report are garbage.

946
00:48:02,839 --> 00:48:04,507
- Excuse me...
- You weren't there,

947
00:48:04,591 --> 00:48:06,467
so you don't know
what worked and what didn't

948
00:48:06,551 --> 00:48:07,719
or what we were up against.

949
00:48:07,802 --> 00:48:09,512
You may not realize,
but we were trying

950
00:48:09,596 --> 00:48:11,764
to protect this country
from people who want to destroy

951
00:48:11,848 --> 00:48:13,141
everything we believe in.

952
00:48:13,224 --> 00:48:15,059
You may not realize it,

953
00:48:15,143 --> 00:48:17,437
but we're trying to do
the exact same thing.

954
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,940
Your bullshit report will
never see the light of day.

955
00:48:24,986 --> 00:48:27,113
Special Prosecutor
Durham, please.

956
00:48:27,196 --> 00:48:29,282
It's Dan Jones, calling again

957
00:48:29,365 --> 00:48:32,285
about the Justice Department
investigation of the CIA.

958
00:48:32,368 --> 00:48:34,078
We really need to meet.

959
00:48:35,663 --> 00:48:37,123
You have?

960
00:48:38,708 --> 00:48:40,960
Okay, what are their findings?

961
00:48:51,304 --> 00:48:53,139
Fuck!

962
00:48:53,222 --> 00:48:55,016
Nothing?

963
00:48:55,099 --> 00:48:56,601
No indictments at all?

964
00:48:56,684 --> 00:48:58,770
No charges against
Jose Rodriguez or Gina Haspel

965
00:48:58,853 --> 00:49:00,229
for destroying the tapes.

966
00:49:00,313 --> 00:49:02,523
Nothing against the CIA
for torturing people.

967
00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:04,168
Nothing against
Jim Pavitt and the others

968
00:49:04,192 --> 00:49:06,402
for providing misinformation,
nothing at all.

969
00:49:06,486 --> 00:49:08,655
DOJ says they don't have
enough admissible evidence

970
00:49:08,738 --> 00:49:10,698
to convict anyone.

971
00:49:10,782 --> 00:49:12,801
You go after the contractors,
and they're indemnified.

972
00:49:12,825 --> 00:49:14,261
You go after
the head of Counterterrorism,

973
00:49:14,285 --> 00:49:15,995
and he'd just say
he was following orders

974
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,205
from the CIA director.

975
00:49:17,288 --> 00:49:18,641
You go after the director,
and he...

976
00:49:18,665 --> 00:49:20,208
Well, he would just cite
the president.

977
00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,852
Then the White House
would claim national security.

978
00:49:21,876 --> 00:49:24,796
DOJ at least share
what they found?

979
00:49:24,879 --> 00:49:25,922
No.

980
00:49:28,007 --> 00:49:30,551
They won't turn anything over.

981
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:33,971
We're the only ones
still looking at this.

982
00:49:52,073 --> 00:49:53,908
Dan?

983
00:49:55,493 --> 00:49:56,494
Dan?

984
00:49:56,577 --> 00:49:58,454
You know a CIA officer

985
00:49:58,538 --> 00:50:00,748
testified before Congress
in 1978 regarding the use of

986
00:50:00,832 --> 00:50:03,960
coercive physical interrogation
techniques in Latin America?

987
00:50:04,043 --> 00:50:05,837
And the officer said
the techniques result

988
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,214
in false answers and have
proven to be ineffective.

989
00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:09,817
And before Latin America,
they did it in Vietnam.

990
00:50:09,841 --> 00:50:10,901
They knew it didn't work...

991
00:50:10,925 --> 00:50:12,236
Dan, I need
to tell you something.

992
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:13,720
And they did it again.

993
00:50:13,803 --> 00:50:14,863
Don't even listen
to their own fucking people.

994
00:50:14,887 --> 00:50:16,305
I'm leaving the study.

995
00:50:16,389 --> 00:50:20,351
I... I got a job offer,
and I can't turn it down.

996
00:50:20,435 --> 00:50:23,896
I'm sorry, but don't you see
what this is doing to you?

997
00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:25,148
To all of us?

998
00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:26,941
I mean, my kids
are at home growing up,

999
00:50:27,024 --> 00:50:30,153
and I'm down here reading about
how they put a power drill

1000
00:50:30,236 --> 00:50:31,922
against one guy's head
and-and how they pulled

1001
00:50:31,946 --> 00:50:33,489
another guy's arms
out of his sockets.

1002
00:50:33,573 --> 00:50:35,467
And I just... this is
how I'm spending my Sundays.

1003
00:50:35,491 --> 00:50:37,034
And my Saturdays.

1004
00:50:37,118 --> 00:50:39,746
This is how I spend every day.

1005
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,999
I just... I-I-I-I can't.

1006
00:50:43,082 --> 00:50:47,128
Um... I'm gonna leave
after Thanksgiving.

1007
00:50:53,217 --> 00:50:55,178
Okay. I understand.

1008
00:50:55,261 --> 00:50:56,804
Okay.

1009
00:50:56,888 --> 00:50:58,264
Thanksgiving.

1010
00:50:58,347 --> 00:51:01,517
That gives us...
that gives us a couple months.

1011
00:51:01,601 --> 00:51:04,937
Dan, it's November.

1012
00:51:05,021 --> 00:51:07,774
Thanksgiving is next week.

1013
00:51:09,692 --> 00:51:12,862
How many pages have
we written so far? Thousands?

1014
00:51:12,945 --> 00:51:16,324
We don't even know
if this is ever gonna come out.

1015
00:51:16,407 --> 00:51:18,826
The tapes investigation
never did.

1016
00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:20,411
It's still classified.

1017
00:51:22,121 --> 00:51:24,499
The CIA knew
this shit didn't work in 1978,

1018
00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:27,001
and it didn't stop them
from doing it again.

1019
00:51:28,586 --> 00:51:30,922
Look, we've been down here
for two years, Dan,

1020
00:51:31,005 --> 00:51:33,633
in this basement.

1021
00:51:33,716 --> 00:51:36,511
Nobody's waiting for us
to come out.

1022
00:52:14,507 --> 00:52:16,759
Shocking photos that
apparently show U.S. troops

1023
00:52:16,843 --> 00:52:19,804
abusing detainees in a prison
outside Baghdad.

1024
00:52:19,887 --> 00:52:21,347
We have a problem.

1025
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:23,891
Both myself and the president
have gone on record

1026
00:52:23,975 --> 00:52:26,310
saying we do not torture people.

1027
00:52:26,394 --> 00:52:29,355
He just made a statement
for the U.N.'s goddamn

1028
00:52:29,438 --> 00:52:32,483
Day in Support
of Victims of Torture.

1029
00:52:32,567 --> 00:52:34,777
Wh-What-what did he say?

1030
00:52:37,321 --> 00:52:39,615
"The United States
does not torture."

1031
00:52:39,699 --> 00:52:42,994
It's against our laws
and it's against our values.

1032
00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:48,416
"I have not authorized it,
and I will not authorize it."

1033
00:52:50,334 --> 00:52:53,379
I'm not sure where
that leaves either of us.

1034
00:52:53,462 --> 00:52:55,506
So, here's the deal.

1035
00:52:55,590 --> 00:52:59,093
Some new lawyer over at OLC,
Jack Goldsmith,

1036
00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:01,679
is saying there are issues
with the John Yoo memo.

1037
00:53:01,762 --> 00:53:03,139
Legal issues?

1038
00:53:03,222 --> 00:53:05,474
Yeah, and there's
the inspector general's report:

1039
00:53:05,558 --> 00:53:08,185
allegations of
war crimes and torture.

1040
00:53:08,269 --> 00:53:11,564
Throws the whole
program under the goddamn bus.

1041
00:53:11,647 --> 00:53:13,274
What's it say?

1042
00:53:13,357 --> 00:53:17,069
"The inspector general finds
that EITs are inconsistent"

1043
00:53:17,153 --> 00:53:18,613
with the public policy positions

1044
00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:22,116
"the United States has taken
regarding human rights,"

1045
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:23,993
blah, blah, blah.

1046
00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:26,078
"The program, as implemented,

1047
00:53:26,162 --> 00:53:30,958
"diverges sharply from how the
CIA has described," blah, blah.

1048
00:53:31,042 --> 00:53:33,878
"There is also little evidence
that the waterboard

1049
00:53:33,961 --> 00:53:36,756
is effective
in gaining information."

1050
00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:39,550
Look, guys, Director Tenet
wants to pause the program.

1051
00:53:41,636 --> 00:53:44,013
You know, I retired
from the Air Force

1052
00:53:44,096 --> 00:53:47,558
just a couple of months
before 9/11.

1053
00:53:47,642 --> 00:53:49,310
22 years.

1054
00:53:50,895 --> 00:53:53,522
And then I wake up that morning,

1055
00:53:53,606 --> 00:53:59,946
and I turn on the news and...
see what's happening.

1056
00:54:01,572 --> 00:54:06,577
A lot of people just went back
to their coffee and cornflakes.

1057
00:54:06,661 --> 00:54:10,831
But Jim wanted to do something

1058
00:54:10,915 --> 00:54:13,501
to keep people safe.

1059
00:54:13,584 --> 00:54:16,671
We are going right back to the
National Security Council today

1060
00:54:16,754 --> 00:54:18,714
and asking to have
the program recertified,

1061
00:54:18,798 --> 00:54:20,508
as many techniques as possible.

1062
00:54:20,591 --> 00:54:22,885
We have a plan.

1063
00:54:22,969 --> 00:54:24,971
Thank you. Thank you.

1064
00:54:44,865 --> 00:54:46,158
Jones.

1065
00:54:47,243 --> 00:54:48,411
Yes, Senator.

1066
00:54:58,004 --> 00:54:59,398
On the Sunday talk shows,

1067
00:54:59,422 --> 00:55:01,007
former Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld

1068
00:55:01,090 --> 00:55:03,134
and former Vice President
Dick Cheney

1069
00:55:03,217 --> 00:55:06,804
argued enhanced interrogation
techniques played a major role

1070
00:55:06,887 --> 00:55:09,265
in leading up to the raid
on bin Laden's compound.

1071
00:55:09,348 --> 00:55:11,308
No, that's not right.
That's not what happened.

1072
00:55:11,392 --> 00:55:13,286
- It was not torture.
- I'll look into it.

1073
00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:15,563
And, uh, I would strongly
recommend that we continue it.

1074
00:55:15,646 --> 00:55:17,366
At the heart of the controversy

1075
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,859
is a process called
waterboarding.

1076
00:55:21,944 --> 00:55:24,238
Okay, here's what
the CIA is claiming:

1077
00:55:24,321 --> 00:55:28,576
They got bin Laden after using
EITs against detainees.

1078
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:36,208
They say it all started in 2002
with Abu Zubaydah

1079
00:55:36,292 --> 00:55:39,587
and a detainee they called
"Riyadh the Facilitator,"

1080
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,881
who tipped them off
to Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti,

1081
00:55:41,964 --> 00:55:43,174
who had ties to bin Laden.

1082
00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:44,884
That's not what happened?

1083
00:55:44,967 --> 00:55:47,470
The truth is the CIA
was on al-Kuwaiti's phones,

1084
00:55:47,553 --> 00:55:51,182
e-mails, identity, long before
they captured any detainees.

1085
00:55:51,265 --> 00:55:56,103
Before they even had
an EIT program.

1086
00:55:56,187 --> 00:55:58,647
Zubaydah told us al-Kuwaiti had
nothing to do with bin Laden.

1087
00:55:58,731 --> 00:56:01,525
Same with KSM
and-and the others.

1088
00:56:01,609 --> 00:56:04,612
But now we have former
CIA Director Michael Hayden

1089
00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:07,239
on the radio saying
this all came from EITs.

1090
00:56:07,323 --> 00:56:09,909
And former Attorney General
Mukasey is out there saying

1091
00:56:09,992 --> 00:56:12,078
KSM broke like a dam
after waterboarding.

1092
00:56:12,161 --> 00:56:13,621
Where is he saying that?

1093
00:56:13,704 --> 00:56:16,123
Wall Street Journal.
I found a memo.

1094
00:56:16,207 --> 00:56:17,833
It's from a few months back,
in March.

1095
00:56:17,917 --> 00:56:19,335
It's called
"The Public Roll-out."

1096
00:56:19,418 --> 00:56:22,713
The memo states the Agency
wanted their PR people

1097
00:56:22,797 --> 00:56:26,801
to connect the bin Laden raid
to intel obtained via EITs

1098
00:56:26,884 --> 00:56:28,177
before it even happened.

1099
00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:32,306
So... if the CIA got bin Laden,

1100
00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:35,226
then who cares what else it did?

1101
00:56:35,309 --> 00:56:38,187
If it saved lives, there's
no need for accountability.

1102
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:40,481
Exactly. They lied to Bush
about the program.

1103
00:56:40,564 --> 00:56:42,316
Now they're lying
to President Obama.

1104
00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:46,112
This document about bin Laden
and, uh, the role of EITs,

1105
00:56:46,195 --> 00:56:48,030
it just isn't true.

1106
00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:57,540
You want me to get you
the White House?

1107
00:56:59,375 --> 00:57:00,918
Let's do that.

1108
00:57:03,504 --> 00:57:05,631
It's very clear to us

1109
00:57:05,714 --> 00:57:09,635
the EITs did not lead
to bin Laden.

1110
00:57:09,718 --> 00:57:12,346
The CIA is misrepresenting
the operation.

1111
00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,306
I'm sure you see that,
don't you?

1112
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:16,725
I'm not
sure I understand, Senator.

1113
00:57:16,809 --> 00:57:18,829
The mission was a success;
that's the headline here.

1114
00:57:18,853 --> 00:57:22,231
This is a crucial moment
in our nation's history.

1115
00:57:22,314 --> 00:57:26,819
I want to make certain that the
Agency isn't manipulating it

1116
00:57:26,902 --> 00:57:30,197
to sanitize
their own past actions.

1117
00:57:30,281 --> 00:57:32,116
I will let
the national security advisor

1118
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,285
know your concerns, Senator.

1119
00:57:34,368 --> 00:57:36,704
- Thank you.
- Thank you, Senator Feinstein.

1120
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,291
That's it?

1121
00:57:40,374 --> 00:57:42,668
They don't care
the story is wrong?

1122
00:57:44,295 --> 00:57:48,257
Well, I don't think we can look
to the White House for support.

1123
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,976
What the hell just happened?

1124
00:57:59,059 --> 00:58:02,354
The CIA just got
the president reelected.

1125
00:58:02,438 --> 00:58:04,231
That's what happened.

1126
00:58:07,651 --> 00:58:10,988
It was the
greatest manhunt of all time.

1127
00:58:11,071 --> 00:58:13,616
You think you know the story,

1128
00:58:13,699 --> 00:58:15,618
but hold on to your seats.

1129
00:58:15,701 --> 00:58:18,787
Zero Dark Thirty,
the riveting new film,

1130
00:58:18,871 --> 00:58:21,457
brings you the hunt
for Osama bin Laden

1131
00:58:21,540 --> 00:58:24,168
as it has never been
seen before.

1132
00:58:39,183 --> 00:58:41,268
This is it.
The last guy we have.

1133
00:58:41,352 --> 00:58:47,524
Muhammad Rahim,
captured June 2007.

1134
00:58:57,076 --> 00:58:58,744
We kept Rahim awake

1135
00:58:58,827 --> 00:59:00,913
for 138 hours straight.

1136
00:59:00,996 --> 00:59:03,999
Used the attention grasp,

1137
00:59:04,083 --> 00:59:07,002
facial hold,
dietary manipulation.

1138
00:59:07,086 --> 00:59:10,422
Abdominal slaps,
stress positions.

1139
00:59:10,506 --> 00:59:13,550
We even offered him a towel
to wear if he cooperated.

1140
00:59:13,634 --> 00:59:14,885
Gave us nothing.

1141
00:59:14,969 --> 00:59:16,595
He said that, if we hurt him,

1142
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,932
he'd just make things up
to get us to stop.

1143
00:59:20,015 --> 00:59:22,685
And then he said
he was at our mercy

1144
00:59:22,768 --> 00:59:25,020
and we could kill him
if we wanted.

1145
00:59:25,104 --> 00:59:26,831
What's the point
of moving forward

1146
00:59:26,855 --> 00:59:28,607
without the waterboard?

1147
00:59:28,691 --> 00:59:30,818
It's like trying to play
baseball without the bat.

1148
00:59:30,901 --> 00:59:32,820
We've been going at him
for 60 days now,

1149
00:59:32,903 --> 00:59:35,155
not getting anywhere.

1150
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,326
The problem is
that CTC hasn't given us

1151
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:41,287
any good intel
to question him about.

1152
00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:43,038
We don't have any leverage.

1153
00:59:43,122 --> 00:59:44,999
Hold on.
You're the psychologists.

1154
00:59:45,082 --> 00:59:46,834
You told me you were
gonna get us intel.

1155
00:59:46,917 --> 00:59:48,637
Now you're saying
we need to give it to you?

1156
00:59:48,711 --> 00:59:54,049
I'm thinking we improve his
treatment for a week or two,

1157
00:59:54,133 --> 00:59:58,137
give him some hope,
and then we go back at him hard

1158
00:59:58,220 --> 01:00:00,556
and create
a sense of helplessness.

1159
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,768
Or we could try recruiting him.

1160
01:00:04,852 --> 01:00:08,522
Tell him he can be
a CIA agent if he talks.

1161
01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:09,982
The FBI does that.

1162
01:00:10,065 --> 01:00:11,984
We're not the FBI.
We don't do that.

1163
01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:14,737
The way the science works is

1164
01:00:14,820 --> 01:00:16,905
we only get the intel after...

1165
01:00:16,989 --> 01:00:18,699
After what?

1166
01:00:18,782 --> 01:00:21,118
Why are so many of these guys
still lying to us

1167
01:00:21,201 --> 01:00:23,329
after you work on them?

1168
01:00:25,581 --> 01:00:27,833
Where's the special sauce?

1169
01:00:30,085 --> 01:00:34,006
You have to make this work.
It's only legal if it works.

1170
01:00:34,089 --> 01:00:36,884
The CIA's questioning
of Muhammad Rahim

1171
01:00:36,967 --> 01:00:39,094
resulted in
zero intelligence reports.

1172
01:00:39,178 --> 01:00:42,431
On April 21, 2008,
the Agency convened

1173
01:00:42,514 --> 01:00:44,266
an after-action review
of his interrogation.

1174
01:00:44,350 --> 01:00:46,977
Senator, I just want to point
out that this is the first time

1175
01:00:47,061 --> 01:00:48,645
the Agency stopped and evaluated

1176
01:00:48,729 --> 01:00:50,230
the effectiveness
of the program.

1177
01:00:51,398 --> 01:00:53,484
And they concluded that,
in the future,

1178
01:00:53,567 --> 01:00:55,569
CIA interrogators should use
rapport building.

1179
01:00:58,781 --> 01:01:01,116
They even suggested
asking other agencies,

1180
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,410
law enforcement,
and even other countries

1181
01:01:03,494 --> 01:01:05,245
about effective
interrogation methods.

1182
01:01:07,539 --> 01:01:08,707
So...

1183
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:14,004
For the past six years,
there's been a steady stream

1184
01:01:14,088 --> 01:01:19,676
of CIA personnel...
Directors, deputies, analysts...

1185
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,553
Coming over here and telling me

1186
01:01:21,637 --> 01:01:25,724
what an amazing success
EITs have been.

1187
01:01:25,808 --> 01:01:29,603
Somehow not even one of them
managed to mention that part.

1188
01:01:34,858 --> 01:01:40,531
How many detainees have been
through the program in total?

1189
01:01:41,615 --> 01:01:43,450
At least 119.

1190
01:01:45,911 --> 01:01:47,830
The Agency admits
a quarter of them

1191
01:01:47,913 --> 01:01:49,957
should never have been detained.

1192
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,878
The EIT program never worked,
not on anyone.

1193
01:02:04,555 --> 01:02:07,850
Today, we are gathered
to approve

1194
01:02:07,933 --> 01:02:09,435
the committee's study of

1195
01:02:09,518 --> 01:02:14,565
the CIA Detention
and Interrogation Program.

1196
01:02:14,648 --> 01:02:17,317
I would like to thank
Daniel Jones

1197
01:02:17,401 --> 01:02:21,155
and his small staff
who prepared this study.

1198
01:02:21,238 --> 01:02:23,699
Clerk, would you call the roll?

1199
01:02:25,325 --> 01:02:28,078
- Mr. Udall?
- Yay.

1200
01:02:28,162 --> 01:02:31,081
- Mr. Rubio?
- Nay.

1201
01:02:31,165 --> 01:02:33,834
- Mr. Rockefeller?
- Yay.

1202
01:02:33,917 --> 01:02:36,295
- Mr. Warner?
- Yay.

1203
01:02:36,378 --> 01:02:38,297
- Mr. Blunt?
- Nay.

1204
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:41,216
- Mr. Conrad?
- Yay.

1205
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,510
- Mr. Coats?
- Nay.

1206
01:02:43,594 --> 01:02:45,846
- Mr. Nelson?
- Yay.

1207
01:02:45,929 --> 01:02:48,307
- Mr. Risch?
- Nay.

1208
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:50,893
- Ms. Mikulski?
- Yay.

1209
01:02:50,976 --> 01:02:53,145
- Mr. Burr?
- Nay.

1210
01:02:53,228 --> 01:02:55,606
- Mr. Wyden?
- Yay.

1211
01:02:55,689 --> 01:02:58,066
- Ms. Snowe?
- Yay.

1212
01:02:58,150 --> 01:03:02,070
- Mr. Chambliss?
- Nay.

1213
01:03:02,154 --> 01:03:04,239
Ms. Feinstein?

1214
01:03:04,323 --> 01:03:06,700
Yay.

1215
01:03:09,077 --> 01:03:10,662
The motion passes.

1216
01:03:10,746 --> 01:03:15,751
The report will now be sent
to the CIA for final comments.

1217
01:03:19,546 --> 01:03:21,423
I, John Owen Brennan,

1218
01:03:21,507 --> 01:03:23,634
do solemnly swear to tell
the truth, the full truth,

1219
01:03:23,717 --> 01:03:26,094
and nothing but the truth,
so help me God.

1220
01:03:26,178 --> 01:03:28,764
Thank you, Mr. Brennan.

1221
01:03:28,847 --> 01:03:31,016
I look forward
to hearing your testimony.

1222
01:03:34,436 --> 01:03:36,730
I am honored
to appear before you today

1223
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:40,734
as the president's nominee
for director of the CIA.

1224
01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:44,530
I'd like to say from
the beginning that honesty...

1225
01:03:44,613 --> 01:03:48,033
Truthfulness... was a value
inculcated in me

1226
01:03:48,116 --> 01:03:51,078
growing up in New Jersey by
my parents, Owen and Dorothy.

1227
01:03:51,161 --> 01:03:53,205
Now, none of us
are perfect beings.

1228
01:03:53,288 --> 01:03:55,290
I am far from perfect.

1229
01:03:55,374 --> 01:03:57,501
But I will be honest
with this committee

1230
01:03:57,584 --> 01:03:59,127
and do everything possible

1231
01:03:59,211 --> 01:04:02,464
to meet your legitimate needs
and requirements.

1232
01:04:02,548 --> 01:04:04,007
Mr. Brennan,

1233
01:04:04,091 --> 01:04:06,718
I've long believed that our
government has an obligation

1234
01:04:06,802 --> 01:04:10,847
to the American people to face
its mistakes transparently,

1235
01:04:10,931 --> 01:04:13,892
to help the public understand
the nature of those mistakes,

1236
01:04:13,976 --> 01:04:16,270
and to correct them.

1237
01:04:16,353 --> 01:04:20,274
The enhanced interrogation
techniques were brutal,

1238
01:04:20,357 --> 01:04:23,026
and, perhaps most importantly,
they did not work.

1239
01:04:23,110 --> 01:04:26,029
Now, the CIA has
a responsibility

1240
01:04:26,113 --> 01:04:28,490
to correct any inaccurate
information it provided

1241
01:04:28,574 --> 01:04:30,718
to the previous White House,
the Department of Justice,

1242
01:04:30,742 --> 01:04:32,536
Congress and the public.

1243
01:04:34,997 --> 01:04:38,208
Do you agree that the CIA
has this responsibility?

1244
01:04:38,292 --> 01:04:40,794
And I'd appreciate
a yes or no answer.

1245
01:04:42,504 --> 01:04:46,008
Yes, Senator.

1246
01:04:46,091 --> 01:04:47,634
Absolutely.

1247
01:04:49,344 --> 01:04:50,904
Office of the chief of staff.

1248
01:04:50,929 --> 01:04:52,973
Mr. McDonough is
in a meeting right now.

1249
01:04:53,056 --> 01:04:55,337
According to the latest NBC
News/Wall Street Journal poll,

1250
01:04:55,392 --> 01:04:58,895
the president's
approval rating is at 44%.

1251
01:04:58,979 --> 01:05:00,498
That's up three points since March...

1252
01:05:00,522 --> 01:05:02,441
Excuse me. Mr. McDonough.

1253
01:05:02,524 --> 01:05:04,985
- Director Brennan is here.
- Oh.

1254
01:05:05,068 --> 01:05:06,320
There he is.

1255
01:05:06,403 --> 01:05:08,488
- Congratulations, Mr. Director.
- Thank you.

1256
01:05:08,572 --> 01:05:09,990
Welcome. Come on in. Thank you.

1257
01:05:10,073 --> 01:05:12,200
Thank you
and thank President Obama.

1258
01:05:12,284 --> 01:05:13,952
I'll let him know.

1259
01:05:14,036 --> 01:05:16,121
Speaking of, uh,

1260
01:05:16,204 --> 01:05:18,624
he wanted me to ask you
if there's any new information

1261
01:05:18,707 --> 01:05:21,084
on the drone strikes
of April 29th?

1262
01:05:21,168 --> 01:05:24,588
We can confirm
that the Al Qaeda planner

1263
01:05:24,671 --> 01:05:27,633
Abu Sulayman al-Jazairi
has been killed.

1264
01:05:27,716 --> 01:05:30,260
Unfortunately, we also believe

1265
01:05:30,344 --> 01:05:34,348
that there were between five
and ten civilian casualties.

1266
01:05:34,431 --> 01:05:35,849
Shit.

1267
01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:38,143
Well, I'll let
the president know.

1268
01:05:38,226 --> 01:05:40,228
What about the
Intelligence Committee report?

1269
01:05:40,312 --> 01:05:41,772
We need to talk about that.

1270
01:05:41,855 --> 01:05:44,691
John, w-we gave the CIA
until February

1271
01:05:44,775 --> 01:05:47,152
to come up with its response;
it's now May.

1272
01:05:47,235 --> 01:05:49,213
I've got Senator Feinstein
all over my phone sheet.

1273
01:05:49,237 --> 01:05:51,531
I don't want to be the one
who has to push on this,

1274
01:05:51,615 --> 01:05:54,284
but the president would really
like to get this behind us.

1275
01:05:59,748 --> 01:06:01,541
And?

1276
01:06:01,625 --> 01:06:03,960
We acknowledge that

1277
01:06:04,044 --> 01:06:06,630
the Detention and Interrogation
Program had shortcomings

1278
01:06:06,713 --> 01:06:08,965
and that the Agency
made mistakes.

1279
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:10,729
The most serious of those
occurred early on

1280
01:06:10,801 --> 01:06:13,428
and stemmed from the fact
that we were unprepared.

1281
01:06:15,055 --> 01:06:18,642
Now, as you know, we part ways
on some key points.

1282
01:06:18,725 --> 01:06:22,062
According to our review,
indications are that

1283
01:06:22,145 --> 01:06:24,314
interrogations of
detainees upon whom

1284
01:06:24,398 --> 01:06:27,109
the enhanced interrogation
techniques were used

1285
01:06:27,192 --> 01:06:30,529
did produce unique intelligence

1286
01:06:30,612 --> 01:06:32,364
that helped thwart attack plans,

1287
01:06:32,447 --> 01:06:34,408
capture terrorists,
and saved lives.

1288
01:06:34,491 --> 01:06:36,010
Excuse me, intelligence
gathered from EITs...

1289
01:06:36,034 --> 01:06:38,245
And that intelligence
continues to inform

1290
01:06:38,328 --> 01:06:40,038
our counterterrorism efforts.

1291
01:06:40,122 --> 01:06:41,623
It led us to bin Laden.

1292
01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:45,585
Now, it's one thing
to disapprove of the program.

1293
01:06:45,669 --> 01:06:47,295
I-I welcome that conversation,

1294
01:06:47,379 --> 01:06:49,005
but it's something else
altogether

1295
01:06:49,089 --> 01:06:50,692
to say that it was
mismanaged and ineffective.

1296
01:06:50,716 --> 01:06:51,842
Excuse me, Director Brennan.

1297
01:06:51,925 --> 01:06:54,553
The report is
based on CIA records.

1298
01:06:54,636 --> 01:06:57,180
CIA officers themselves
called it ineffective.

1299
01:06:57,264 --> 01:06:58,890
CIA officers?

1300
01:06:58,974 --> 01:07:01,393
Well, you didn't speak to any
CIA officers in the program,

1301
01:07:01,476 --> 01:07:02,644
did you, Dan?

1302
01:07:02,728 --> 01:07:05,105
Your lawyers would not
make them available to us

1303
01:07:05,188 --> 01:07:08,775
because of the Department
of Justice's criminal inquiry.

1304
01:07:08,859 --> 01:07:11,862
We also disagree with
the study's characterization of

1305
01:07:11,945 --> 01:07:16,283
how the CIA briefed Congress,
the White House and the press.

1306
01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,785
Now, we have documentation
that certainly proves that.

1307
01:07:18,869 --> 01:07:20,287
Excuse me, sir, what documents?

1308
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:21,663
If the director is referencing

1309
01:07:21,747 --> 01:07:23,540
cables or e-mails
we were never shown,

1310
01:07:23,623 --> 01:07:25,223
then that's a violation
of our agreement.

1311
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:27,753
Everything was supposed
to have been provided to us.

1312
01:07:27,836 --> 01:07:29,755
Do we just give
the committee access

1313
01:07:29,838 --> 01:07:31,715
to the entire
CIA computer system?

1314
01:07:31,798 --> 01:07:33,633
Is that where this goes?

1315
01:07:33,717 --> 01:07:37,095
Dan gets to read every e-mail,
gets to see every document?

1316
01:07:37,179 --> 01:07:40,265
Every relevant document
or e-mail, yes.

1317
01:07:42,350 --> 01:07:45,228
I have always supported
the intelligence community.

1318
01:07:45,312 --> 01:07:50,066
I broke with my own party
to support the drone program,

1319
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:52,986
but what this report
makes very clear

1320
01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:56,656
is a real need for oversight
and accountability.

1321
01:07:56,740 --> 01:07:59,618
You asked for our response,
and we gave it to you.

1322
01:07:59,701 --> 01:08:02,078
We looked in the mirror.

1323
01:08:02,162 --> 01:08:05,040
Now, uh, we made mistakes.

1324
01:08:05,123 --> 01:08:08,502
There were abuses, and those
abuses have been addressed.

1325
01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:11,963
But I-I vehemently disagree
with the narrative

1326
01:08:12,047 --> 01:08:14,049
that you're trying
to string together here.

1327
01:08:14,132 --> 01:08:15,759
It lacks context.

1328
01:08:15,842 --> 01:08:17,719
It does not paint
an accurate picture

1329
01:08:17,803 --> 01:08:19,888
of the work that was done.

1330
01:08:19,971 --> 01:08:21,556
Let's go.

1331
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,518
Senator, John Brennan's
name is in that report.

1332
01:08:24,601 --> 01:08:26,269
He was Director Tenet's
chief of staff

1333
01:08:26,353 --> 01:08:27,673
and then
deputy executive director

1334
01:08:27,729 --> 01:08:29,272
when the program started.

1335
01:08:29,356 --> 01:08:31,000
- He grew up at the Agency.
- He claims to have

1336
01:08:31,024 --> 01:08:32,710
- spoken out against the EIT program...
- Where?

1337
01:08:32,734 --> 01:08:34,736
I just spent five years
looking at their e-mails.

1338
01:08:34,820 --> 01:08:36,620
I never found anything
to suggest that's true.

1339
01:08:36,696 --> 01:08:38,949
Well, we knew
this wasn't going to be easy.

1340
01:08:39,032 --> 01:08:42,035
They have their own narrative,
and they're gonna stick to it.

1341
01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:43,958
Maybe we could come up
with some middle ground,

1342
01:08:43,995 --> 01:08:46,122
- find some common language.
- I thought our job

1343
01:08:46,206 --> 01:08:47,767
was to provide oversight
and accountability,

1344
01:08:47,791 --> 01:08:49,626
not middle ground.

1345
01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:52,504
I have a question for you.

1346
01:08:52,587 --> 01:08:55,090
Do you work for me
or for the report?

1347
01:08:56,591 --> 01:09:01,012
And I'd encourage you to think
about that before answering.

1348
01:09:13,483 --> 01:09:15,569
Dan!

1349
01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:17,696
Dan Jones.

1350
01:09:17,779 --> 01:09:19,030
There he is.

1351
01:09:19,114 --> 01:09:20,949
Look at you, chief investigator

1352
01:09:21,032 --> 01:09:23,410
of the largest study
the Senate's ever conducted.

1353
01:09:23,493 --> 01:09:25,036
My God. How you doing?

1354
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,955
It's good to see you
in the fresh air.

1355
01:09:27,038 --> 01:09:28,432
- Yeah.
- It's so funny.

1356
01:09:28,456 --> 01:09:29,958
I was just thinking
the other night,

1357
01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:32,544
do you remember that time
you came and saw me,

1358
01:09:32,627 --> 01:09:34,170
right after
you got out of school?

1359
01:09:34,254 --> 01:09:36,214
You said go get
intel experience,

1360
01:09:36,298 --> 01:09:37,883
wait till the Dems
got the Senate back.

1361
01:09:39,301 --> 01:09:40,903
Working for the
Senate Intelligence Committee

1362
01:09:40,927 --> 01:09:42,387
for Dianne Feinstein.

1363
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:44,156
You told me once you wanted
to make a difference.

1364
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:45,807
I hope you still
get that chance.

1365
01:09:45,891 --> 01:09:47,767
- What does that mean?
- What does that mean?

1366
01:09:47,851 --> 01:09:51,605
It means, Dan, get out of the
senator's head about the CIA.

1367
01:09:51,688 --> 01:09:53,607
You're not doing yourself
any favors.

1368
01:09:53,690 --> 01:09:55,150
Have you read the report?

1369
01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:58,403
It's 7,000 pages, Dan.

1370
01:09:58,486 --> 01:10:02,240
The Bible tells the history
of mankind in less than that.

1371
01:10:02,324 --> 01:10:05,744
Look, buddy,

1372
01:10:05,827 --> 01:10:07,555
we're gonna get the CIA
to sit down with you,

1373
01:10:07,579 --> 01:10:09,956
tell you
their side of the story.

1374
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,667
It would help
if you would listen.

1375
01:10:14,294 --> 01:10:16,463
The study seems
to most seriously diverge

1376
01:10:16,546 --> 01:10:19,507
from the facts by asking
the reader to believe

1377
01:10:19,591 --> 01:10:21,801
the CIA withheld information

1378
01:10:21,885 --> 01:10:23,845
from the executive branch
and Congress.

1379
01:10:23,929 --> 01:10:27,057
We'd like to see that
removed from the report.

1380
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:29,201
After the photos of
Abu Ghraib came out in 2004,

1381
01:10:29,225 --> 01:10:31,478
Deputy Director McLaughlin
appeared before Congress,

1382
01:10:31,561 --> 01:10:34,439
in front of you, and said
the CIA is not authorized

1383
01:10:34,522 --> 01:10:36,816
to do anything like what
you've seen in those photos.

1384
01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:38,860
But what they were doing
was even worse.

1385
01:10:38,944 --> 01:10:40,862
Then in 2005,
Senator Rockefeller

1386
01:10:40,946 --> 01:10:42,656
called for a review
of the program,

1387
01:10:42,739 --> 01:10:44,699
and the deputy chief
of Counterterrorism

1388
01:10:44,783 --> 01:10:46,493
got nervous
where that might lead.

1389
01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:48,787
So he sent a message
to senior leadership

1390
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:51,373
discussing the need
to manage the situation.

1391
01:10:51,456 --> 01:10:55,293
He said, "We either get out
and sell, or we get hammered."

1392
01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:58,338
Congress reads it,
cuts our authorities,

1393
01:10:58,421 --> 01:10:59,798
messes up our budget.

1394
01:10:59,881 --> 01:11:01,132
We need to make sure

1395
01:11:01,216 --> 01:11:03,593
"the impression of
what we do is positive."

1396
01:11:03,677 --> 01:11:06,262
This is the deputy chief
of Counterterrorism.

1397
01:11:06,346 --> 01:11:08,848
That all stays in.

1398
01:11:08,932 --> 01:11:11,059
We fundamentally disagree
with the assertion

1399
01:11:11,142 --> 01:11:13,979
that the program was
poorly managed and executed

1400
01:11:14,062 --> 01:11:17,565
and that unqualified officers
imposed brutal conditions,

1401
01:11:17,649 --> 01:11:20,652
used unapproved techniques, and
were rarely held accountable.

1402
01:11:20,735 --> 01:11:22,862
What about Mitchell and Jessen?

1403
01:11:22,946 --> 01:11:26,658
Mitchell's PhD thesis
was on diet and exercise

1404
01:11:26,741 --> 01:11:28,368
for controlling hypertension.

1405
01:11:28,451 --> 01:11:30,412
Jessen's dissertation
was on family therapy,

1406
01:11:30,495 --> 01:11:31,997
something called
family sculpting,

1407
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,082
where you make clay figures
of your family members.

1408
01:11:34,165 --> 01:11:35,851
- No. How much were they paid?
- They had no experience

1409
01:11:35,875 --> 01:11:37,043
in real-world interrogations.

1410
01:11:37,127 --> 01:11:38,586
No science
to back up their claims.

1411
01:11:38,670 --> 01:11:39,963
They were allowed to assess

1412
01:11:40,046 --> 01:11:41,840
the effectiveness
of their own program

1413
01:11:41,923 --> 01:11:43,842
without providing
any scientific evidence.

1414
01:11:43,925 --> 01:11:45,385
How much in total

1415
01:11:45,468 --> 01:11:48,555
did the U.S. taxpayers
give them for their work?

1416
01:11:48,638 --> 01:11:50,515
Over $80 million.

1417
01:11:51,599 --> 01:11:54,394
The Agency also disagrees that

1418
01:11:54,477 --> 01:11:57,605
the Detention and Interrogation
Program did not produce

1419
01:11:57,689 --> 01:11:59,566
unique intelligence
that disrupted plots

1420
01:11:59,649 --> 01:12:01,860
and saved lives.

1421
01:12:01,943 --> 01:12:04,154
For instance,
the identity of José Padilla,

1422
01:12:04,237 --> 01:12:06,031
the "dirty bomber."

1423
01:12:06,114 --> 01:12:07,615
If we hadn't stopped Padilla,

1424
01:12:07,699 --> 01:12:11,161
this entire area
would be radioactive today.

1425
01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:12,871
José Padilla!

1426
01:12:12,954 --> 01:12:15,790
Padilla found the instructions
for his dirty bomb online,

1427
01:12:15,874 --> 01:12:19,252
in-in an article entitled
"Making and owning an H-bomb

1428
01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:22,422
is the kind of challenge
real Americans seek."

1429
01:12:22,505 --> 01:12:25,383
It says,
"Fill two buckets with uranium

1430
01:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,595
and swing them above your head
as fast as possible."

1431
01:12:28,678 --> 01:12:30,055
It was a joke.

1432
01:12:30,138 --> 01:12:31,639
As far as we can tell,

1433
01:12:31,723 --> 01:12:34,059
everything they attribute
to EITs they already had,

1434
01:12:34,142 --> 01:12:36,770
from other sources,
from foreign governments,

1435
01:12:36,853 --> 01:12:38,313
from other methods.

1436
01:12:38,396 --> 01:12:40,899
They claim they saved lives,
but what they really did

1437
01:12:40,982 --> 01:12:42,692
was make it impossible
to prosecute

1438
01:12:42,776 --> 01:12:45,945
a mass murderer like KSM,
because if what we did to him

1439
01:12:46,029 --> 01:12:48,823
ever came out in a court
of law, the case is over.

1440
01:12:48,907 --> 01:12:52,077
The guy planned 9/11,
and instead of going to jail

1441
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,537
for the rest of his life,
the CIA turned him into

1442
01:12:54,621 --> 01:12:57,791
a recruiting tool
for a war we're still fighting.

1443
01:13:01,461 --> 01:13:03,671
Stop meeting with them.

1444
01:13:10,095 --> 01:13:13,223
This is a remarkable document
you've created.

1445
01:13:13,306 --> 01:13:15,058
Truly.

1446
01:13:15,141 --> 01:13:18,645
It will provide
an enduring history,

1447
01:13:18,728 --> 01:13:21,397
whether it comes out or not.

1448
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,780
What does that mean, "w-whether
it comes out or not"?

1449
01:13:28,863 --> 01:13:31,116
What does she mean?

1450
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:32,742
What does that mean?

1451
01:13:32,826 --> 01:13:34,428
We've been working on this
thing for nearly five years.

1452
01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:37,956
Yes, and it is still
our word against theirs.

1453
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:39,624
She's gonna need more than that.

1454
01:13:56,683 --> 01:13:57,851
This is Jones.

1455
01:13:57,934 --> 01:13:59,602
Hey, Dan, this is Evan Tanner.

1456
01:13:59,686 --> 01:14:03,231
Um, I hear rumors the report
might not be coming out now.

1457
01:14:03,314 --> 01:14:05,024
A lot of pushback
from the Agency.

1458
01:14:05,108 --> 01:14:07,944
- They're calling it "flawed."
- Who told you that?

1459
01:14:08,027 --> 01:14:11,072
Dan, I'm the
national security reporter

1460
01:14:11,156 --> 01:14:12,448
for The New York Times.

1461
01:14:12,532 --> 01:14:14,492
Do you have any thoughts?

1462
01:14:14,576 --> 01:14:17,829
It's not
my place to talk about rumors.

1463
01:14:17,912 --> 01:14:19,414
No, I didn't think you would.

1464
01:14:19,497 --> 01:14:21,499
I was wondering
if you might want to comment.

1465
01:14:21,583 --> 01:14:25,128
Uh, it can be off the record.

1466
01:14:25,211 --> 01:14:29,174
I just think we can
help each other here.

1467
01:14:29,257 --> 01:14:31,843
You know I can't do that.

1468
01:14:33,511 --> 01:14:36,681
And here's what we know
about Caroline Krass:

1469
01:14:36,764 --> 01:14:38,266
20 years
in the executive branch,

1470
01:14:38,349 --> 01:14:39,809
including the
Office of Legal Counsel

1471
01:14:39,893 --> 01:14:41,477
where she worked with John Yoo.

1472
01:14:41,561 --> 01:14:44,189
Guys, this
confirmation's a done deal.

1473
01:14:44,272 --> 01:14:46,065
We're not gonna stop it.

1474
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:49,986
But it is a public hearing,
and it just seems like

1475
01:14:50,069 --> 01:14:52,030
there's an opportunity
to say something.

1476
01:14:52,113 --> 01:14:54,782
Wh-What are you
looking for, Senator?

1477
01:14:54,866 --> 01:14:57,368
I don't know, something
to move the study forward,

1478
01:14:57,452 --> 01:15:00,371
to break us
out of this stalemate.

1479
01:15:02,707 --> 01:15:03,958
Any ideas?

1480
01:15:09,088 --> 01:15:10,715
Senator, there is a document.

1481
01:15:50,296 --> 01:15:51,923
You ever sleep, bro?

1482
01:15:52,006 --> 01:15:53,883
I used to.

1483
01:15:53,967 --> 01:15:55,843
Got in the way of work.

1484
01:15:55,927 --> 01:15:58,638
Anything in that bag contain
the real names of CIA officers,

1485
01:15:58,721 --> 01:16:00,848
assets or partners,
or any information

1486
01:16:00,932 --> 01:16:03,101
that would be in violation
of the agreement between

1487
01:16:03,184 --> 01:16:05,895
the Central Intelligence Agency
and the United States Senate?

1488
01:16:05,979 --> 01:16:08,690
- Have a good night, Jay.
- You, too, Dan.

1489
01:17:01,326 --> 01:17:03,328
The committee
will come to order.

1490
01:17:05,121 --> 01:17:07,707
Today, we are gathered
for the confirmation hearing

1491
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:12,378
of Caroline Krass to be
general counsel of the CIA.

1492
01:17:12,462 --> 01:17:14,964
Welcome, Ms. Krass.

1493
01:17:15,048 --> 01:17:17,216
I'm honored to be here
before the committee,

1494
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:20,178
and I'd like to take this
moment to acknowledge my family

1495
01:17:20,261 --> 01:17:22,638
and thank them
for their support.

1496
01:17:22,722 --> 01:17:24,140
Thank you.

1497
01:17:24,223 --> 01:17:26,809
Uh, before we begin,
I would like to remind members

1498
01:17:26,893 --> 01:17:29,395
not to discuss classified topics

1499
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,483
or ask questions which require
a classified answer.

1500
01:17:33,566 --> 01:17:36,444
With that said,
I turn to Senator Udall.

1501
01:17:36,527 --> 01:17:38,446
Ms. Krass,
nice to see you again.

1502
01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:40,239
We had a chance
to sit down last week

1503
01:17:40,323 --> 01:17:41,616
and discuss the Senate's study

1504
01:17:41,699 --> 01:17:43,993
on the Detention
and Interrogation Program.

1505
01:17:44,077 --> 01:17:49,415
You told me you found the study
to be hard reading.

1506
01:17:49,499 --> 01:17:51,459
Also, last week,
a number of articles appeared

1507
01:17:51,542 --> 01:17:53,503
discussing
the one-year anniversary

1508
01:17:53,586 --> 01:17:55,505
of the vote to approve
the committee's study.

1509
01:17:55,588 --> 01:17:57,548
And in one of those articles,

1510
01:17:57,632 --> 01:18:01,469
the CIA claimed to have found
significant errors.

1511
01:18:01,552 --> 01:18:04,555
Now, I got to tell you, I don't
believe that is accurate.

1512
01:18:04,639 --> 01:18:07,767
In fact,
I'm more confident than ever

1513
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:11,771
in the factual accuracy
of the committee's study.

1514
01:18:11,854 --> 01:18:16,025
I'm more confident than ever.

1515
01:18:17,276 --> 01:18:19,445
It appears that the CIA
performed their own study

1516
01:18:19,529 --> 01:18:24,033
of the EIT program, initiated
by former Director Panetta.

1517
01:18:24,117 --> 01:18:26,452
And the findings

1518
01:18:26,536 --> 01:18:28,871
in that review
are entirely consistent

1519
01:18:28,955 --> 01:18:33,167
with our committee's report,
but amazingly conflicts with

1520
01:18:33,251 --> 01:18:35,336
the CIA's official response
to that report.

1521
01:18:38,172 --> 01:18:41,634
So, why is a review
the CIA conducted internally,

1522
01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:45,680
and never revealed to Congress,
so different from

1523
01:18:45,763 --> 01:18:49,350
the CIA's formal response
to the committee's report?

1524
01:18:49,434 --> 01:18:51,644
Do you have an answer for that?

1525
01:18:52,395 --> 01:18:56,065
Um, not at this time.

1526
01:19:01,446 --> 01:19:04,490
If I wanted the public to know
about the Panetta review,

1527
01:19:04,574 --> 01:19:06,159
I would have told them myself.

1528
01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:07,743
We hear that the Republicans

1529
01:19:07,827 --> 01:19:09,304
are gonna censure Udall
for that performance.

1530
01:19:09,328 --> 01:19:10,806
But the review proves our point.

1531
01:19:10,830 --> 01:19:12,373
They found
the same things we did.

1532
01:19:12,457 --> 01:19:14,500
The Agency didn't know
how or where to hold people,

1533
01:19:14,584 --> 01:19:16,210
didn't know
how to interrogate people,

1534
01:19:16,294 --> 01:19:18,588
and, more importantly,
the CIA did give it to us.

1535
01:19:18,671 --> 01:19:21,007
I don't know
if it was an accident

1536
01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:22,550
or it was a whistle-blower.

1537
01:19:22,633 --> 01:19:24,093
Well, if it was
a whistle-blower,

1538
01:19:24,177 --> 01:19:26,554
you may have just exposed them.

1539
01:19:26,637 --> 01:19:28,848
Not to mention yourself.

1540
01:20:25,863 --> 01:20:27,949
We got something here.

1541
01:20:28,032 --> 01:20:29,951
The director
has asked me here today

1542
01:20:30,034 --> 01:20:32,411
in my capacity
as Agency legal counsel.

1543
01:20:32,495 --> 01:20:36,999
What we have to discuss
has serious implications.

1544
01:20:37,083 --> 01:20:38,209
All right.

1545
01:20:38,292 --> 01:20:39,728
We have proof that the staff

1546
01:20:39,752 --> 01:20:41,420
of the Senate
Intelligence Committee

1547
01:20:41,504 --> 01:20:44,006
illegally gained access
to the CIA's computer network

1548
01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:46,008
and obtained
classified documents.

1549
01:20:47,093 --> 01:20:48,261
What kind of proof?

1550
01:20:48,344 --> 01:20:50,012
We found the document
in question

1551
01:20:50,096 --> 01:20:52,014
on Daniel Jones's computer.

1552
01:20:52,098 --> 01:20:55,226
We did not provide it to him
or to the committee.

1553
01:20:55,309 --> 01:20:59,188
If he didn't hack us,
how did it get there?

1554
01:20:59,272 --> 01:21:02,817
We feel that Jones and his team
need to be disciplined.

1555
01:21:04,527 --> 01:21:06,571
Immediate dismissal is in order,

1556
01:21:06,654 --> 01:21:09,115
at a minimum, I would think.

1557
01:21:10,700 --> 01:21:14,662
John, are you saying that you
broke into the computer system

1558
01:21:14,745 --> 01:21:16,414
of the United States Senate?

1559
01:21:16,497 --> 01:21:18,257
We never gave you clearance
on that document.

1560
01:21:18,291 --> 01:21:22,044
It was classified, yet
you chose to make it public.

1561
01:21:22,128 --> 01:21:23,730
We've made our investigation
and our findings

1562
01:21:23,754 --> 01:21:24,839
known to the White House.

1563
01:21:24,922 --> 01:21:27,675
You're fucking kidding me.

1564
01:21:29,093 --> 01:21:30,928
They're saying I broke into

1565
01:21:31,012 --> 01:21:34,015
the most top secret
computer system in the world?

1566
01:21:34,098 --> 01:21:36,183
- Brennan and Eastman came over...
- Eastman?

1567
01:21:36,267 --> 01:21:38,161
Eastman's name is in the report
over a thousand times.

1568
01:21:38,185 --> 01:21:40,605
- That's not a conflict?
- Dan.

1569
01:21:40,688 --> 01:21:43,441
They filed a criminal referral
against you.

1570
01:21:43,524 --> 01:21:45,901
They want you gone.

1571
01:21:48,904 --> 01:21:51,574
H-How did the Agency
come to the conclusion

1572
01:21:51,657 --> 01:21:52,825
that I'm a hacker?

1573
01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:54,708
H-How do they even know
what's on my computer?

1574
01:21:54,744 --> 01:21:56,495
They say
they conducted a search.

1575
01:21:56,579 --> 01:21:58,039
Of the United States Senate?

1576
01:21:58,122 --> 01:21:59,933
The whole reason
this committee was established

1577
01:21:59,957 --> 01:22:01,876
in the first place
was to stop the CIA

1578
01:22:01,959 --> 01:22:03,252
from spying on U.S. citizens.

1579
01:22:03,336 --> 01:22:04,938
The senator is talking
to Harry Reid about

1580
01:22:04,962 --> 01:22:06,690
- that very thing...
- Did they go into that room?

1581
01:22:06,714 --> 01:22:08,609
That room is off-limits. Did
they go into that fucking room?

1582
01:22:08,633 --> 01:22:10,301
I don't know.

1583
01:22:11,636 --> 01:22:13,262
I don't know.

1584
01:22:14,889 --> 01:22:17,433
I do know that the Republicans
are gonna run with this.

1585
01:22:17,516 --> 01:22:19,477
They're gonna use it
to discredit the report.

1586
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,937
They're gonna
use it to discredit you.

1587
01:22:23,606 --> 01:22:26,067
Dan, they're accusing you
of breaking the law.

1588
01:22:26,150 --> 01:22:27,735
You're gonna need a lawyer.

1589
01:22:32,782 --> 01:22:34,992
There's a saying at the Agency:

1590
01:22:35,076 --> 01:22:36,369
"Admit nothing,

1591
01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:38,537
deny everything,
make counteraccusations."

1592
01:22:38,621 --> 01:22:40,748
That's what they're doing.

1593
01:22:40,831 --> 01:22:42,708
The CIA is
investigating you for...

1594
01:22:42,792 --> 01:22:44,936
They're the ones who
should be investigated, not me.

1595
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,546
Mr. Jones?
Mr. Clifford will see you now.

1596
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:49,173
Our computer system

1597
01:22:49,256 --> 01:22:52,051
isn't even connected
to the CIA mainframe.

1598
01:22:52,134 --> 01:22:53,844
So did I just go over to Langley

1599
01:22:53,928 --> 01:22:55,096
and break in on a weekend?

1600
01:22:55,179 --> 01:22:56,972
Seems unlikely.

1601
01:22:57,056 --> 01:22:58,974
So what evidence do they have?

1602
01:22:59,058 --> 01:23:01,060
A document.

1603
01:23:02,144 --> 01:23:04,480
A document?
What kind of a document?

1604
01:23:07,274 --> 01:23:08,984
I can't tell you that.

1605
01:23:09,068 --> 01:23:12,029
Because, what, it's classified?

1606
01:23:12,113 --> 01:23:14,198
I was tasked
to lead an investigation

1607
01:23:14,281 --> 01:23:16,701
into a CIA program
they started after 9/11,

1608
01:23:16,784 --> 01:23:19,036
what they called
enhanced interrogation.

1609
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,124
And I assume your work
is critical of the Agency?

1610
01:23:25,501 --> 01:23:27,795
You know, Dan, a lot of people
in this country

1611
01:23:27,878 --> 01:23:29,505
felt the CIA was
justified in doing

1612
01:23:29,588 --> 01:23:31,465
whatever they had to do
to keep us safe.

1613
01:23:31,549 --> 01:23:33,801
I have friends
who lost people that day.

1614
01:23:33,884 --> 01:23:36,470
And a lot of people watch 24
on Thursday nights

1615
01:23:36,554 --> 01:23:38,139
and hear Jack Bauer say,

1616
01:23:38,222 --> 01:23:39,822
"I don't want to bypass
the Constitution,

1617
01:23:39,849 --> 01:23:41,559
but these are
extraordinary circumstances,"

1618
01:23:41,642 --> 01:23:43,978
just before, you know,
he s-sticks a knife in them

1619
01:23:44,061 --> 01:23:45,604
and makes them give up a plot.

1620
01:23:45,688 --> 01:23:47,606
It-it doesn't work that way.

1621
01:23:48,691 --> 01:23:52,027
Well, as Winston Churchill said,

1622
01:23:52,111 --> 01:23:55,030
"History is written
by the victors."

1623
01:23:57,116 --> 01:23:59,452
Churchill didn't really
say that; Hermann Goring did.

1624
01:23:59,535 --> 01:24:01,829
And what he said was,
"We will go down in history"

1625
01:24:01,912 --> 01:24:03,706
either as the world's
greatest statesmen

1626
01:24:03,789 --> 01:24:05,374
"or its worst villains."

1627
01:24:05,458 --> 01:24:08,753
So your report is
gonna determine that:

1628
01:24:08,836 --> 01:24:10,504
statesmen or villains?

1629
01:24:14,049 --> 01:24:17,595
How long have you been
working on this project, Dan?

1630
01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:19,805
Five years.

1631
01:24:19,889 --> 01:24:22,683
Five years,
and it could all go away,

1632
01:24:22,767 --> 01:24:26,395
just vanish in the face
of these allegations.

1633
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:27,897
I can certainly imagine

1634
01:24:27,980 --> 01:24:30,608
an ambitious young man
like yourself spends years

1635
01:24:30,691 --> 01:24:33,861
with his head buried
in some terrible spectacle,

1636
01:24:33,944 --> 01:24:36,071
gets frustrated
with the process,

1637
01:24:36,155 --> 01:24:38,908
sees an opportunity
to get the truth out faster,

1638
01:24:38,991 --> 01:24:40,242
maybe crosses a line.

1639
01:24:40,326 --> 01:24:41,970
I'm assuming this is
the most important thing

1640
01:24:41,994 --> 01:24:43,805
- you've ever been a part of.
- I didn't do it.

1641
01:24:43,829 --> 01:24:45,456
Or I can see
an equally ambitious senator

1642
01:24:45,539 --> 01:24:46,808
encouraging you to do something.

1643
01:24:46,832 --> 01:24:48,501
Now would be
a good time to tell me.

1644
01:24:48,584 --> 01:24:49,919
That did not happen.

1645
01:24:50,002 --> 01:24:51,796
What I did, I did on my own.
I acted alone.

1646
01:24:51,879 --> 01:24:53,690
- So you did steal the document?
- I did not steal it.

1647
01:24:53,714 --> 01:24:55,066
- You needed it to...
- I relocated it.

1648
01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:56,175
I put it in a safe.

1649
01:24:56,258 --> 01:24:58,302
If they had a way
of destroying tapes,

1650
01:24:58,385 --> 01:24:59,905
- then surely they could get...
- Everyone has their own words.

1651
01:24:59,929 --> 01:25:01,597
The language is built
to choose sides.

1652
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,974
Now, why did you relocate it?

1653
01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:10,856
Documents had a way of
disappearing off the server.

1654
01:25:10,940 --> 01:25:14,443
For instance, in 2010,
over 800 documents

1655
01:25:14,527 --> 01:25:17,488
just vanished
without any explanation.

1656
01:25:17,571 --> 01:25:20,199
So you had computer issues
all along.

1657
01:25:21,367 --> 01:25:23,160
Who else knew
what was on the computers?

1658
01:25:23,244 --> 01:25:25,996
Well, the CIA hired an outside
firm to vet the documents:

1659
01:25:27,414 --> 01:25:29,333
And CACI was also involved.

1660
01:25:29,416 --> 01:25:31,210
- Who are they?
- Contractors.

1661
01:25:31,293 --> 01:25:33,087
But Jim Pavitt
is on their board.

1662
01:25:34,630 --> 01:25:37,007
Former deputy director
of operations for the CIA,

1663
01:25:37,091 --> 01:25:40,261
Jim Pavitt, during the program,
Jim Pavitt.

1664
01:25:40,344 --> 01:25:42,179
And is he named in the report?

1665
01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:44,765
Can't tell me.

1666
01:25:46,016 --> 01:25:48,727
So they can't destroy
the document.

1667
01:25:48,811 --> 01:25:51,897
Then they can go after
THE NEXT BEST THING: you.

1668
01:25:51,981 --> 01:25:54,108
Make you a zealot.

1669
01:25:54,191 --> 01:25:57,278
Anything you touch is tainted.

1670
01:25:57,361 --> 01:25:59,780
I could see the Agency saying
that this is a violation

1671
01:25:59,864 --> 01:26:04,577
of the Espionage Act, the...
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,

1672
01:26:04,660 --> 01:26:06,871
uh, who knows what else.

1673
01:26:06,954 --> 01:26:08,873
And if they file
a charge against me,

1674
01:26:08,956 --> 01:26:10,749
how long could I go away for?

1675
01:26:10,833 --> 01:26:13,836
I don't know.
20 years, maybe more.

1676
01:26:23,929 --> 01:26:27,474
I did not hack into
the CIA computer system.

1677
01:26:29,476 --> 01:26:33,480
I mean, my com... my computer
skills stop at Microsoft Word.

1678
01:26:33,564 --> 01:26:35,274
They probably know that.

1679
01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:39,194
How much does
a Senate staffer make?

1680
01:26:39,278 --> 01:26:41,030
At my level?
About-about a hundred grand.

1681
01:26:41,113 --> 01:26:43,657
Any retirement, savings,
family money?

1682
01:26:43,741 --> 01:26:45,951
No.

1683
01:26:46,035 --> 01:26:48,454
So, we should discuss
my retainer.

1684
01:26:48,537 --> 01:26:50,915
- How much is that?
- $30,000 to start.

1685
01:26:50,998 --> 01:26:53,584
And if it goes to trial,
add a zero.

1686
01:26:55,336 --> 01:26:56,795
Nothing could make them happier

1687
01:26:56,879 --> 01:26:59,298
than knowing you're
sitting here talking to me.

1688
01:26:59,381 --> 01:27:00,925
That's what they want, Dan.

1689
01:27:01,008 --> 01:27:05,179
Make you bleed money
all over my floor.

1690
01:27:05,262 --> 01:27:08,265
Do you want my expert opinion,
for free?

1691
01:27:08,349 --> 01:27:11,769
You don't really have
a legal problem.

1692
01:27:11,852 --> 01:27:14,063
You have a sunlight problem.

1693
01:27:14,146 --> 01:27:17,775
I'm sure you know people
who can help you solve it.

1694
01:27:31,705 --> 01:27:33,248
Daniel Jones.

1695
01:27:33,332 --> 01:27:34,768
I didn't think
you'd ever return my calls.

1696
01:27:34,792 --> 01:27:36,232
Does your boss know
you're talking to

1697
01:27:36,293 --> 01:27:38,003
a guy with a byline
and a tape recorder?

1698
01:27:38,087 --> 01:27:39,397
There's something going on
I think you should look into.

1699
01:27:39,421 --> 01:27:41,715
It involves the Agency.

1700
01:27:43,384 --> 01:27:45,928
Okay. Is it that report
you've been working on,

1701
01:27:46,011 --> 01:27:47,596
the one that
never quite comes out?

1702
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,557
Computers. It has to do with
the hacking of computers.

1703
01:27:50,641 --> 01:27:52,977
All right, whose?

1704
01:27:54,687 --> 01:27:56,939
The United States Senate.

1705
01:27:57,022 --> 01:27:59,358
Someone hacked into the Senate?

1706
01:28:01,443 --> 01:28:03,153
No shit? Okay.

1707
01:28:03,237 --> 01:28:06,240
You have any idea if it was
foreign or domestic?

1708
01:28:06,323 --> 01:28:08,033
Uh, all right, yes, you...

1709
01:28:08,117 --> 01:28:09,702
Sorry, you said
it was the Agency.

1710
01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:11,787
So what-what does the CIA

1711
01:28:11,870 --> 01:28:13,306
have to do with
U.S. Senate computers?

1712
01:28:13,330 --> 01:28:14,683
Evan, you're the
national security reporter

1713
01:28:14,707 --> 01:28:15,707
for The New York Times.

1714
01:28:15,749 --> 01:28:18,460
You can figure it out.
All right?

1715
01:28:21,130 --> 01:28:22,881
Hmm.

1716
01:28:23,841 --> 01:28:25,050
Morning, Senator.

1717
01:28:25,134 --> 01:28:26,593
You wanted to see me?

1718
01:28:26,677 --> 01:28:28,595
You know anything about this?

1719
01:28:28,679 --> 01:28:33,017
"Computer Searches at Center
of Dispute on CIA Detentions."

1720
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:34,977
You have any idea
how that ended up

1721
01:28:35,060 --> 01:28:36,895
- in The New York Times?
- Yeah, I saw that.

1722
01:28:36,979 --> 01:28:38,522
It looks accurate.

1723
01:28:38,605 --> 01:28:41,400
Senator McCain is already
calling the CIA a rogue agency.

1724
01:28:41,483 --> 01:28:42,776
What are your thoughts on

1725
01:28:42,860 --> 01:28:45,446
someone like
Edward Snowden, Dan?

1726
01:28:45,529 --> 01:28:48,323
W-Well, Senator, I know
how you feel about leaks.

1727
01:28:48,407 --> 01:28:50,993
I think he's a traitor,
plain and simple.

1728
01:28:51,076 --> 01:28:52,828
It's my job to provide oversight

1729
01:28:52,911 --> 01:28:54,455
with the tools of governance,

1730
01:28:54,538 --> 01:28:57,416
not lights and cameras
and headlines.

1731
01:29:01,837 --> 01:29:03,714
Do you want me to resign?

1732
01:29:07,426 --> 01:29:09,261
No.

1733
01:29:09,344 --> 01:29:12,222
But I think I might need you
to write me a speech.

1734
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:18,353
Senator Feinstein claimed today

1735
01:29:18,437 --> 01:29:21,732
on the Senate floor
that the CIA hacked

1736
01:29:21,815 --> 01:29:23,609
the Senate Intelligence
Committee's computers

1737
01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:26,153
to thwart an investigation
into past practices.

1738
01:29:26,236 --> 01:29:27,654
Can you respond to that?

1739
01:29:27,738 --> 01:29:31,116
Well, first,
we in no way, shape or form

1740
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,161
tried to thwart
the release of the report.

1741
01:29:34,244 --> 01:29:36,830
Uh, we want that behind us.

1742
01:29:36,914 --> 01:29:39,666
As far as this allegation
that the CIA

1743
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:42,503
somehow hacked into
the Senate computer system,

1744
01:29:42,586 --> 01:29:46,548
nothing could be
further from the truth.

1745
01:29:46,632 --> 01:29:49,009
We just wouldn't do that.

1746
01:29:49,093 --> 01:29:51,095
It's beyond the scope of reason.

1747
01:30:01,647 --> 01:30:03,398
Thank you.

1748
01:30:03,482 --> 01:30:05,192
I understand
your position, Senator,

1749
01:30:05,275 --> 01:30:07,736
and I am aware of
Director Brennan's comments.

1750
01:30:07,820 --> 01:30:09,820
Did you hear what Lindsey
Graham said this morning,

1751
01:30:09,863 --> 01:30:12,741
about the Agency
breaking into our computers?

1752
01:30:12,825 --> 01:30:15,994
"The legislative branch
should declare war on the CIA.

1753
01:30:16,078 --> 01:30:19,665
Heads should roll,
people should go to jail."

1754
01:30:19,748 --> 01:30:23,085
Is that what you want?
Send people to jail?

1755
01:30:23,168 --> 01:30:25,796
We do have jails for a reason.

1756
01:30:25,879 --> 01:30:28,048
The Justice Department
investigated the CIA,

1757
01:30:28,132 --> 01:30:29,883
and they decided
not to prosecute.

1758
01:30:29,967 --> 01:30:32,177
It's their call, not ours.

1759
01:30:32,261 --> 01:30:34,638
Now, when this administration
took office,

1760
01:30:34,721 --> 01:30:36,265
we faced
the very real possibility

1761
01:30:36,348 --> 01:30:38,767
of economic collapse.

1762
01:30:40,394 --> 01:30:42,604
Do we spend our political
capital on going around

1763
01:30:42,688 --> 01:30:45,440
trying to find people to blame,
or do we solve the problem?

1764
01:30:45,524 --> 01:30:47,359
Maybe the way
to solve the problem

1765
01:30:47,442 --> 01:30:49,778
is to hold people accountable.

1766
01:30:49,862 --> 01:30:52,489
Do you ever wonder
why history repeats itself?

1767
01:30:52,573 --> 01:30:54,116
Well, I think maybe it's because

1768
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:55,742
we don't always listen
the first time.

1769
01:30:55,826 --> 01:30:59,204
Senator, the people at the
Agency... they have families.

1770
01:30:59,288 --> 01:31:02,166
There are children
who might lose a parent.

1771
01:31:04,668 --> 01:31:09,173
Years ago, some radical group
put a bomb in the flower box

1772
01:31:09,256 --> 01:31:12,551
outside of my daughter's
bedroom window, right out here.

1773
01:31:12,634 --> 01:31:15,429
Had it been any warmer out,
it would have exploded.

1774
01:31:15,512 --> 01:31:16,889
And then there was the time

1775
01:31:16,972 --> 01:31:21,018
that I found Harvey Milk
shot to death in his office.

1776
01:31:21,101 --> 01:31:24,062
I-I think I'm aware of
the risks of public service.

1777
01:31:24,146 --> 01:31:27,274
President Obama
ended the torture program

1778
01:31:27,357 --> 01:31:29,735
three days after taking office.

1779
01:31:29,818 --> 01:31:34,406
The EITs, what the CIA did...
That is not our mess.

1780
01:31:34,489 --> 01:31:35,991
No, it's not,

1781
01:31:36,074 --> 01:31:39,578
but that's not the question
we're asking, is it?

1782
01:31:39,661 --> 01:31:43,957
Who is going to clean it up?

1783
01:31:44,041 --> 01:31:45,626
So let's do that.

1784
01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:50,505
Right after Director Brennan
apologizes to me and my staff.

1785
01:31:52,174 --> 01:31:53,842
The inspector general is here.

1786
01:31:53,926 --> 01:31:55,636
Go ahead in.

1787
01:31:55,719 --> 01:31:59,681
In regards to the CIA
search of Senate computers,

1788
01:31:59,765 --> 01:32:01,642
we've looked into the matter

1789
01:32:01,725 --> 01:32:04,937
and have recommended
that the Department of Justice

1790
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,980
begin a criminal investigation.

1791
01:32:07,064 --> 01:32:08,064
Good.

1792
01:32:08,106 --> 01:32:09,816
So have we.

1793
01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:12,277
Dan Jones,
lead Senate investigator.

1794
01:32:12,361 --> 01:32:14,947
Not the Senate staff.

1795
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:16,823
The CIA.

1796
01:32:16,907 --> 01:32:18,492
Us?

1797
01:32:18,575 --> 01:32:22,079
Are-are you accusing me or
my staff of breaking the law?

1798
01:32:22,162 --> 01:32:24,289
My understanding is
that five CIA employees

1799
01:32:24,373 --> 01:32:27,125
entered a room
that was off-limits.

1800
01:32:27,209 --> 01:32:28,335
On whose orders?

1801
01:32:28,418 --> 01:32:30,587
Senator Feinstein
is right to call this

1802
01:32:30,671 --> 01:32:32,714
a violation of
the separation of powers.

1803
01:32:32,798 --> 01:32:37,302
The CIA cannot spy
on the U.S. Congress.

1804
01:32:39,221 --> 01:32:41,765
As inspector general,
I'm gonna have to launch

1805
01:32:41,848 --> 01:32:45,978
a full investigation
into the Agency's actions.

1806
01:33:05,998 --> 01:33:07,374
Am I going to jail?

1807
01:33:07,457 --> 01:33:09,501
No, they're
dropping the charges.

1808
01:33:09,584 --> 01:33:11,295
You're going back to work.

1809
01:33:11,378 --> 01:33:14,047
Take the most important
findings, finish the summary...

1810
01:33:14,131 --> 01:33:15,674
No more than 400 pages.

1811
01:33:15,757 --> 01:33:19,636
I'm going to ask the committee
to vote to release it.

1812
01:33:25,642 --> 01:33:27,477
So, you saw they voted.

1813
01:33:27,561 --> 01:33:29,062
11 to three.

1814
01:33:29,146 --> 01:33:31,398
They want to release
an executive summary.

1815
01:33:31,481 --> 01:33:33,817
That thing goes out,
it puts my people in danger,

1816
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:36,695
who are out there
in a dangerous world today,

1817
01:33:36,778 --> 01:33:38,155
trying to do their jobs.

1818
01:33:38,238 --> 01:33:39,865
Pulls the rug
out from under them.

1819
01:33:39,948 --> 01:33:43,035
Anything that you feel
puts your people in harm's way

1820
01:33:43,118 --> 01:33:44,369
stays classified.

1821
01:33:44,453 --> 01:33:47,247
If-if the Senate puts out

1822
01:33:47,331 --> 01:33:49,249
a small pile of pages
and the press goes nuts,

1823
01:33:49,333 --> 01:33:52,419
then everybody's gonna want
to see a bigger pile of pages.

1824
01:33:52,502 --> 01:33:54,880
You keep saying the president
wants to turn the page.

1825
01:33:54,963 --> 01:33:57,049
Well, then turn the page.

1826
01:33:57,132 --> 01:33:59,426
Close the damn book.

1827
01:34:05,098 --> 01:34:07,267
Senator Feinstein
has asked the White House

1828
01:34:07,351 --> 01:34:10,645
to head up final comments
and redactions.

1829
01:34:10,729 --> 01:34:13,815
She wants us
right in the middle of it.

1830
01:34:13,899 --> 01:34:15,192
And?

1831
01:34:15,275 --> 01:34:19,112
And I think that's exactly
where you want us.

1832
01:34:19,196 --> 01:34:21,365
You'll have the pen.

1833
01:34:23,283 --> 01:34:24,826
Leadership specified

1834
01:34:24,910 --> 01:34:27,162
that we should redact
anything that could result in

1835
01:34:27,245 --> 01:34:28,914
legal exposure
for officers in the field,

1836
01:34:28,997 --> 01:34:30,916
past or present.

1837
01:34:30,999 --> 01:34:35,045
Basically, if there's
any questions, black it out.

1838
01:34:40,842 --> 01:34:43,011
You see this?

1839
01:34:51,019 --> 01:34:52,604
What the...

1840
01:34:52,687 --> 01:34:54,981
fuck is this?

1841
01:34:58,485 --> 01:34:59,921
Good afternoon. Where's Marcy?

1842
01:34:59,945 --> 01:35:01,029
Conference room.

1843
01:35:01,113 --> 01:35:02,739
Early the next week.

1844
01:35:02,823 --> 01:35:05,033
Wednesday.

1845
01:35:05,117 --> 01:35:06,410
Yeah, that'll work.

1846
01:35:06,493 --> 01:35:09,204
And you get me the agenda.
Thank you.

1847
01:35:11,706 --> 01:35:13,375
Imagine you pick up a book,

1848
01:35:13,458 --> 01:35:16,420
and "blank" turns water
into wine on page 237,

1849
01:35:16,503 --> 01:35:19,297
and on page 71
"blank" heals a leper,

1850
01:35:19,381 --> 01:35:22,676
and on page 295
"blank" rises from the dead.

1851
01:35:22,759 --> 01:35:25,053
How do you know the blanks
are all the same person?

1852
01:35:25,137 --> 01:35:27,722
I thought that the CIA
agreed to using pseudonyms.

1853
01:35:27,806 --> 01:35:30,600
They did, but now even
the fake names are gone.

1854
01:35:30,684 --> 01:35:33,061
And the dates.

1855
01:35:34,980 --> 01:35:36,857
The entire story is gone.

1856
01:35:44,281 --> 01:35:47,200
I hope you took
your strong pills today.

1857
01:35:48,827 --> 01:35:51,455
Isn't it enough
to know what actually happened?

1858
01:35:51,538 --> 01:35:53,999
Do we need to know the names
of the people involved?

1859
01:35:54,082 --> 01:35:55,792
But the actual names
aren't in the report.

1860
01:35:55,876 --> 01:35:57,836
Someone could figure out
who our people are

1861
01:35:57,919 --> 01:35:59,004
based on their pseudonyms.

1862
01:35:59,087 --> 01:36:00,922
You know, I found
a photo of my husband

1863
01:36:01,006 --> 01:36:02,924
on the Internet
linking him to me.

1864
01:36:03,008 --> 01:36:04,468
Secrecy is very hard
to maintain.

1865
01:36:04,551 --> 01:36:06,279
I believe you introduced
your husband publicly

1866
01:36:06,303 --> 01:36:07,637
at your confirmation hearing.

1867
01:36:07,721 --> 01:36:08,722
It was on C-SPAN.

1868
01:36:08,805 --> 01:36:10,265
Some of these people...

1869
01:36:10,348 --> 01:36:12,392
They are out there
in the world, right now.

1870
01:36:12,476 --> 01:36:13,477
Yes, they are.

1871
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,103
There's an officer
from Alec Station

1872
01:36:15,187 --> 01:36:17,230
mentioned 41 times in 500 pages.

1873
01:36:17,314 --> 01:36:19,232
In 1998, her team
missed the bombing

1874
01:36:19,316 --> 01:36:22,027
of the U.S. embassy
in Kenya and Tanzania.

1875
01:36:22,110 --> 01:36:23,403
1999, they missed the bombing

1876
01:36:23,487 --> 01:36:25,238
of the Marriott Hotel
in Islamabad.

1877
01:36:25,322 --> 01:36:28,909
In 2000, she was made aware
of two Al Qaeda operatives

1878
01:36:28,992 --> 01:36:30,744
who arrived in Los Angeles.

1879
01:36:30,827 --> 01:36:32,430
FBI officers, working within
the bin Laden unit,

1880
01:36:32,454 --> 01:36:33,914
requested permission
to investigate.

1881
01:36:33,997 --> 01:36:35,624
That's not how
we want to play it.

1882
01:36:35,707 --> 01:36:38,043
The CIA knew
they were on American soil

1883
01:36:38,126 --> 01:36:39,961
and didn't do anything.

1884
01:36:40,045 --> 01:36:42,297
Al-Mihdhar then left the States
to play a key role

1885
01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:43,924
in the bombing of the USS Cole,

1886
01:36:44,007 --> 01:36:47,010
before returning to hijack
Flight 77 with al-Hazmi

1887
01:36:47,093 --> 01:36:48,678
and crash into the Pentagon.

1888
01:36:48,762 --> 01:36:51,097
And you want to
protect this person's identity.

1889
01:36:51,181 --> 01:36:52,641
We'd also like to redact

1890
01:36:52,724 --> 01:36:54,309
the pseudonyms
of the contractors.

1891
01:36:54,392 --> 01:36:58,021
Dr. Mitchell was already quoted
by name in The New Yorker.

1892
01:36:58,104 --> 01:37:00,815
He was handing out brochures
at professional conferences

1893
01:37:00,899 --> 01:37:03,026
telling people
he worked for the CIA.

1894
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:05,695
If we are protecting
the identities of CIA staff,

1895
01:37:05,779 --> 01:37:08,031
we need to protect
our contractors as well.

1896
01:37:08,114 --> 01:37:10,325
Mitchell and Jessen were given
a contract by the Agency

1897
01:37:10,408 --> 01:37:11,952
for a program that didn't work.

1898
01:37:12,035 --> 01:37:13,755
The CIA also agreed
to a five million dollar

1899
01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:16,706
indemnification clause
for their company that covered,

1900
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:19,876
among other expenses,
criminal prosecution.

1901
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,338
You know, I kept
the rag we used on KSM.

1902
01:37:23,421 --> 01:37:27,217
You should eBay that bad boy
when this is all over.

1903
01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:30,053
Make a mint.

1904
01:37:30,136 --> 01:37:31,888
An internal CIA memo concluded

1905
01:37:31,972 --> 01:37:34,724
that Mitchell and Jessen "have
both shown blatant disregard"

1906
01:37:34,808 --> 01:37:38,562
for the ethics shared by almost
all of their colleagues."

1907
01:37:38,645 --> 01:37:41,439
The pseudonyms for
the contractors need to stay.

1908
01:37:43,775 --> 01:37:45,419
Guys, we've been
at this for months.

1909
01:37:45,443 --> 01:37:46,796
What about the
locations of the black sites?

1910
01:37:46,820 --> 01:37:48,238
The country names?

1911
01:37:48,321 --> 01:37:49,549
We made commitments
to those countries

1912
01:37:49,573 --> 01:37:50,782
to maintain their secrecy.

1913
01:37:50,865 --> 01:37:52,242
No country names.

1914
01:37:52,325 --> 01:37:53,827
Not open to negotiating
these points.

1915
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:56,371
We need to consider
the morale of the CIA here.

1916
01:37:56,454 --> 01:37:57,914
Now, we-we publish this report,

1917
01:37:57,998 --> 01:38:00,458
- there's a very good chance we could lose them.
- Lose them?

1918
01:38:00,542 --> 01:38:02,127
What does that mean?

1919
01:38:02,210 --> 01:38:04,146
What about the morale
of all the people at the Agency

1920
01:38:04,170 --> 01:38:05,481
who spoke out
against the program?

1921
01:38:05,505 --> 01:38:06,840
What about them?

1922
01:38:06,923 --> 01:38:08,925
People who sent cables back
from black sites

1923
01:38:09,009 --> 01:38:10,552
saying they wanted
to be transferred

1924
01:38:10,635 --> 01:38:12,613
because they were disgusted by
what was being done.

1925
01:38:12,637 --> 01:38:13,972
All right, uh, look.

1926
01:38:14,055 --> 01:38:15,974
We have... Dan more than anyone...

1927
01:38:16,057 --> 01:38:18,310
Have worked to uncover
the truth about this

1928
01:38:18,393 --> 01:38:19,644
when no one else would.

1929
01:38:19,728 --> 01:38:21,813
We will not allow this
to be covered up

1930
01:38:21,896 --> 01:38:23,106
by the executive branch.

1931
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:24,816
President Obama
called it torture.

1932
01:38:24,899 --> 01:38:26,401
Bush and Cheney
wouldn't do that.

1933
01:38:26,484 --> 01:38:30,071
He signed an executive order
getting rid of it.

1934
01:38:30,155 --> 01:38:31,531
Now, just imagine, God forbid,

1935
01:38:31,615 --> 01:38:33,950
there's another
terrorist attack on our watch.

1936
01:38:34,034 --> 01:38:35,910
There won't be another Democrat

1937
01:38:35,994 --> 01:38:38,079
in the White House for 20 years.

1938
01:38:38,163 --> 01:38:40,248
I'd also like
to talk about the redactions

1939
01:38:40,332 --> 01:38:42,417
concerning KSM.

1940
01:38:42,500 --> 01:38:44,878
Cory Gardner,
the Republican challenger,

1941
01:38:44,961 --> 01:38:46,755
will be the next
United States senator

1942
01:38:46,838 --> 01:38:48,214
from the state of Colorado,

1943
01:38:48,298 --> 01:38:50,884
defeating the Democratic
incumbent, Mark Udall.

1944
01:38:50,967 --> 01:38:53,928
A major, major win
for the Republicans.

1945
01:38:54,012 --> 01:38:56,097
Chris Frates is standing by
in Colorado.

1946
01:38:56,181 --> 01:38:58,350
This is huge
for, uh, Colorado, Wolf.

1947
01:38:58,433 --> 01:39:01,478
This is the first time
a Republican has won

1948
01:39:01,561 --> 01:39:04,981
the Senate race state-wide
in Colorado since 2002.

1949
01:39:05,065 --> 01:39:06,650
Big night for Colorado,

1950
01:39:06,733 --> 01:39:09,944
and a big night for control
of the United States Senate.

1951
01:39:12,822 --> 01:39:14,991
She's expecting you.

1952
01:39:15,075 --> 01:39:17,410
So, I just got a call

1953
01:39:17,494 --> 01:39:20,121
from Secretary of State Kerry.

1954
01:39:20,205 --> 01:39:23,249
He thinks that,
with the release of the report,

1955
01:39:23,333 --> 01:39:27,128
that the coalition against ISIL
could collapse.

1956
01:39:27,212 --> 01:39:29,130
Isn't that a bit convenient?

1957
01:39:29,214 --> 01:39:30,840
- He calls you just before...
- Dan.

1958
01:39:30,924 --> 01:39:33,843
Wh-Where did Kerry get
his intel on this? The CIA?

1959
01:39:33,927 --> 01:39:37,138
- Is it credible?
- Embassies could be attacked.

1960
01:39:37,222 --> 01:39:38,807
Hostages could be killed.

1961
01:39:38,890 --> 01:39:40,892
It's just another stall tactic.

1962
01:39:42,519 --> 01:39:45,063
He suggested giving the report
to the president,

1963
01:39:45,146 --> 01:39:48,858
so that it could be released
later, when hostilities cease.

1964
01:39:48,942 --> 01:39:51,820
You lose control of the
committee in a week, Senator.

1965
01:39:51,903 --> 01:39:53,488
Yes, I am aware of what happens

1966
01:39:53,571 --> 01:39:56,282
when the Republicans
are in the majority, Dan.

1967
01:39:57,826 --> 01:40:01,496
Look, I want to get this report
out as much as anyone,

1968
01:40:01,579 --> 01:40:04,582
but I have known him
a long time.

1969
01:40:04,666 --> 01:40:06,000
I tend to believe him.

1970
01:40:06,084 --> 01:40:07,752
Nobody else is gonna
tell this story.

1971
01:40:07,836 --> 01:40:09,313
- Dan, the senator has a luncheon.
- If we stop now,

1972
01:40:09,337 --> 01:40:10,714
aren't we a part
of the cover-up?

1973
01:40:10,797 --> 01:40:12,757
Strong pills, Senator?

1974
01:40:21,349 --> 01:40:24,936
I think you should go home
and get some rest.

1975
01:40:25,019 --> 01:40:26,730
You look tired.

1976
01:40:26,813 --> 01:40:31,109
Marcy, if I could
have five minutes.

1977
01:40:31,192 --> 01:40:33,153
Of course.

1978
01:42:11,668 --> 01:42:14,838
Did you ever meet a guy
called Greg Craig?

1979
01:42:16,464 --> 01:42:19,384
Just in pa... White House
counsel when Obama took office?

1980
01:42:19,467 --> 01:42:21,928
- Just in passing.
- Right.

1981
01:42:22,011 --> 01:42:26,224
So, right after he got elected,
the president asked Craig

1982
01:42:26,307 --> 01:42:28,226
to come up with a plan
to deal with

1983
01:42:28,309 --> 01:42:29,894
the aftermath
of the torture program.

1984
01:42:29,978 --> 01:42:33,690
So, he got Secretary of Defense
Gates, Janet Napolitano,

1985
01:42:33,773 --> 01:42:35,942
Hillary Clinton...
Serious people... in a room,

1986
01:42:36,025 --> 01:42:39,445
and he asked for
their recommendation.

1987
01:42:39,529 --> 01:42:42,740
- And?
- A-And the consensus

1988
01:42:42,824 --> 01:42:44,784
was that the president
should appoint

1989
01:42:44,868 --> 01:42:46,619
an independent
bipartisan commission

1990
01:42:46,703 --> 01:42:48,788
into interrogations
and detainee treatment,

1991
01:42:48,872 --> 01:42:51,624
like a deep dive into
what worked and what didn't

1992
01:42:51,708 --> 01:42:54,919
and... who was responsible.

1993
01:42:55,003 --> 01:42:56,921
You know, like what they did
after 9/11,

1994
01:42:57,005 --> 01:43:00,008
and like what you've been
trying to do.

1995
01:43:00,091 --> 01:43:01,676
So why didn't they do that?

1996
01:43:01,759 --> 01:43:04,804
Well, evidently,
the president listened closely

1997
01:43:04,888 --> 01:43:06,598
to the recommendation.

1998
01:43:06,681 --> 01:43:10,727
He then thought about it,
and then he said no.

1999
01:43:10,810 --> 01:43:15,023
He'd spent an entire campaign
saying he was post-partisan,

2000
01:43:15,106 --> 01:43:17,233
so going after
the Bush administration

2001
01:43:17,317 --> 01:43:19,527
flew in the face of all that.

2002
01:43:19,611 --> 01:43:24,240
And right then, everyone in
that room changed their minds.

2003
01:43:24,324 --> 01:43:28,620
No independent commission.

2004
01:43:28,703 --> 01:43:31,414
Everyone except Craig,

2005
01:43:31,497 --> 01:43:34,876
because he thought
it was too important.

2006
01:43:34,959 --> 01:43:36,836
You couldn't just
torture people,

2007
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,924
lie about it,
and then hide it from history.

2008
01:43:41,007 --> 01:43:44,010
A few months later,
Craig was gone,

2009
01:43:44,093 --> 01:43:47,096
and this mess
wound up with the Senate.

2010
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:48,932
And you.

2011
01:43:49,015 --> 01:43:51,476
Well, the president must have
known that, by doing that,

2012
01:43:51,559 --> 01:43:53,353
he was making it
next to impossible.

2013
01:43:53,436 --> 01:43:55,980
Uh, he came from the Senate.

2014
01:43:56,064 --> 01:43:59,025
Dan, they sent you off
to build a boat,

2015
01:43:59,108 --> 01:44:01,194
but they had no intention
of sailing it.

2016
01:44:01,277 --> 01:44:05,156
They probably didn't think
you'd get as far as you did.

2017
01:44:09,369 --> 01:44:11,245
Let me ask you a question.

2018
01:44:11,329 --> 01:44:15,041
If the CIA knew
that torture didn't work,

2019
01:44:15,124 --> 01:44:17,251
why did they continue to do it?

2020
01:44:19,003 --> 01:44:21,381
After 9/11,
everyone was scared...

2021
01:44:23,591 --> 01:44:25,093
scared it might happen again,

2022
01:44:25,176 --> 01:44:27,428
and the CIA would be blamed
if it did.

2023
01:44:27,512 --> 01:44:29,263
Or maybe they were ashamed.

2024
01:44:29,347 --> 01:44:31,224
You know, how come
the most sophisticated

2025
01:44:31,307 --> 01:44:33,434
intelligence organization
on Earth

2026
01:44:33,518 --> 01:44:35,853
couldn't keep
its own people safe?

2027
01:44:35,937 --> 01:44:38,690
But fear and shame don't make
for better policy decisions,

2028
01:44:38,773 --> 01:44:40,650
and the fact that
the people who we captured

2029
01:44:40,733 --> 01:44:42,986
didn't look like us or
believe the same things we do

2030
01:44:43,069 --> 01:44:45,405
made it that much easier
to do the things we did.

2031
01:44:45,488 --> 01:44:46,864
So once the CIA program started,

2032
01:44:46,948 --> 01:44:48,384
they had to keep
telling people it worked,

2033
01:44:48,408 --> 01:44:49,492
even if it wasn't true.

2034
01:44:49,575 --> 01:44:50,952
Their own position was that

2035
01:44:51,035 --> 01:44:53,413
if it didn't work,
it was illegal.

2036
01:44:53,496 --> 01:44:55,707
So they misrepresented
the results.

2037
01:45:08,094 --> 01:45:13,433
If we had your report,
we would print it tomorrow.

2038
01:45:13,516 --> 01:45:14,851
All of it.

2039
01:45:16,227 --> 01:45:17,770
The senator said
she would release

2040
01:45:17,854 --> 01:45:19,939
- a summary of the report.
- Really?

2041
01:45:20,023 --> 01:45:22,191
Over the objections of the CIA
and the White House?

2042
01:45:22,275 --> 01:45:23,544
You really think
that's gonna happen?

2043
01:45:23,568 --> 01:45:25,361
If I gave it to you,
what would happen?

2044
01:45:32,827 --> 01:45:34,704
Some people will think
you're a hero,

2045
01:45:34,787 --> 01:45:36,622
and some will probably think
you're a traitor.

2046
01:45:36,706 --> 01:45:39,500
Look at Edward Snowden.

2047
01:45:48,843 --> 01:45:50,553
No. If it's gonna come out,

2048
01:45:50,636 --> 01:45:52,472
it's gonna come out
the right way.

2049
01:45:52,555 --> 01:45:54,849
What if it doesn't?

2050
01:45:54,932 --> 01:45:57,143
Then I didn't do my job.

2051
01:45:59,937 --> 01:46:01,147
I'm sorry.

2052
01:46:02,732 --> 01:46:04,108
Sorry.

2053
01:46:50,947 --> 01:46:52,824
So, with the Affordable Care Act

2054
01:46:52,907 --> 01:46:54,867
behind us, the president
would like to begin

2055
01:46:54,951 --> 01:46:57,370
a serious discussion
about immigration reform.

2056
01:46:57,453 --> 01:46:59,455
Now, obviously
we've had some setbacks

2057
01:46:59,539 --> 01:47:01,499
in both the House
and the Senate,

2058
01:47:01,582 --> 01:47:05,503
uh, so strategy has become
paramount... unity as well.

2059
01:47:05,586 --> 01:47:08,131
So, we would like to, uh,
really start talking about...

2060
01:47:08,214 --> 01:47:10,049
Excuse me, Mr. McDonough.

2061
01:47:10,133 --> 01:47:12,552
I would like to discuss
the report on the CIA

2062
01:47:12,635 --> 01:47:14,095
and the White House's position.

2063
01:47:14,178 --> 01:47:16,764
That's not the topic
of this particular caucus.

2064
01:47:16,848 --> 01:47:18,933
Uh, the president
would like to discuss...

2065
01:47:19,016 --> 01:47:21,435
Our country
did things the Nazis did,

2066
01:47:21,519 --> 01:47:23,938
things that made us
condemn other regimes.

2067
01:47:24,021 --> 01:47:26,732
And the position
of this administration

2068
01:47:26,816 --> 01:47:28,317
is to suppress this information,

2069
01:47:28,401 --> 01:47:30,278
to keep the people
who did these things safe?

2070
01:47:30,361 --> 01:47:32,196
I can assure you that is not

2071
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,532
the position of
this administration, Senator.

2072
01:47:34,615 --> 01:47:36,576
You worked with John Brennan

2073
01:47:36,659 --> 01:47:38,286
at the
National Security Council.

2074
01:47:38,369 --> 01:47:41,080
Now, I understand that Brennan
gave this president

2075
01:47:41,164 --> 01:47:43,374
his first security briefing
when he took office.

2076
01:47:43,457 --> 01:47:45,543
And now CIA Director Brennan

2077
01:47:45,626 --> 01:47:48,713
is working closely with the
president on the drone program.

2078
01:47:48,796 --> 01:47:50,381
You know, it's funny.

2079
01:47:50,464 --> 01:47:52,133
Every time I go over to the CIA,

2080
01:47:52,216 --> 01:47:53,819
they claim I'm doing
the Senate's bidding,

2081
01:47:53,843 --> 01:47:55,136
and every time I come here,

2082
01:47:55,219 --> 01:47:56,655
you claim I'm doing
the CIA's bidding.

2083
01:47:56,679 --> 01:47:59,974
I only have a few days left
in my term here,

2084
01:48:00,057 --> 01:48:04,437
and if there isn't a plan to
release the report before I go,

2085
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,106
I'm prepared to read it
on the floor of the Senate.

2086
01:48:07,190 --> 01:48:08,649
And either the White House

2087
01:48:08,733 --> 01:48:10,651
or the Republicans
will have to stop me.

2088
01:48:10,735 --> 01:48:12,171
What would you have us do?

2089
01:48:12,195 --> 01:48:13,714
Now, we go after
Bush and Cheney on this,

2090
01:48:13,738 --> 01:48:15,489
what's to prevent
the Republicans

2091
01:48:15,573 --> 01:48:19,368
from coming back at us and
trying to repeal health care?

2092
01:48:19,452 --> 01:48:22,205
Uh, we go after the CIA,
uh, maybe they say,

2093
01:48:22,288 --> 01:48:25,249
"Okay, well, immigration reform
is off the table."

2094
01:48:25,333 --> 01:48:27,251
Maybe it's gun control.

2095
01:48:27,335 --> 01:48:32,340
Now, democracy is messy...
but let's just think

2096
01:48:32,423 --> 01:48:35,134
how many countries
there are in the world

2097
01:48:35,218 --> 01:48:37,261
where a report like this
could even get done.

2098
01:48:41,974 --> 01:48:43,935
I would like us to be more than

2099
01:48:44,018 --> 01:48:45,561
the country that did the report.

2100
01:48:45,645 --> 01:48:48,314
I'd like us to be the country
that made it public.

2101
01:48:48,397 --> 01:48:52,026
And that is what I intend
to see happen.

2102
01:48:52,109 --> 01:48:53,986
I yield the floor

2103
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:57,531
to the senior senator
from California.

2104
01:49:11,295 --> 01:49:13,214
Over the past six years,

2105
01:49:13,297 --> 01:49:17,051
a small team of investigators
pored over more than

2106
01:49:17,134 --> 01:49:21,555
6.3 million pages of CIA records

2107
01:49:21,639 --> 01:49:23,891
to complete this report.

2108
01:49:23,975 --> 01:49:27,937
It shows that
the CIA's actions a decade ago

2109
01:49:28,020 --> 01:49:31,732
are a stain on our values
and on our history.

2110
01:49:31,816 --> 01:49:35,236
The release of
this 500-page summary

2111
01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:37,238
cannot remove that stain,

2112
01:49:37,321 --> 01:49:41,742
but it can and does say
to our people and the world

2113
01:49:41,826 --> 01:49:45,663
that America is big enough
to admit when it's wrong

2114
01:49:45,746 --> 01:49:49,792
and confident enough
to learn from its mistakes.

2115
01:49:49,875 --> 01:49:53,087
Releasing this report is
an important step toward

2116
01:49:53,170 --> 01:49:56,507
restoring our values
and showing the world

2117
01:49:56,590 --> 01:50:01,053
that we are, in fact,
a just and lawful society.

2118
01:50:01,137 --> 01:50:05,516
There are those who will
seize upon the report and say,

2119
01:50:05,599 --> 01:50:08,311
"See what the Americans did?"

2120
01:50:08,394 --> 01:50:10,021
And they will try to use it

2121
01:50:10,104 --> 01:50:13,733
to justify evil actions
or to incite more violence.

2122
01:50:13,816 --> 01:50:17,361
We cannot prevent that.

2123
01:50:17,445 --> 01:50:19,363
But history will judge us

2124
01:50:19,447 --> 01:50:24,118
by our commitment to
a just society governed by law

2125
01:50:24,201 --> 01:50:27,455
and the willingness
to face an ugly truth

2126
01:50:27,538 --> 01:50:31,125
and say "never again."

2127
01:50:31,208 --> 01:50:32,626
Thank you.

2128
01:50:32,710 --> 01:50:36,589
I now yield the floor
to the senator from Arizona.

2129
01:50:38,424 --> 01:50:40,634
What might come as a surprise

2130
01:50:40,718 --> 01:50:44,180
is how little these practices
did to aid our efforts to bring

2131
01:50:44,263 --> 01:50:47,391
9/11 culprits to justice
and to find and prevent

2132
01:50:47,475 --> 01:50:50,227
terrorist attacks
today and tomorrow.

2133
01:50:50,311 --> 01:50:52,063
That could be a real surprise,

2134
01:50:52,146 --> 01:50:54,732
since it contradicts
the many assurances

2135
01:50:54,815 --> 01:50:57,026
provided by
intelligence officials,

2136
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:59,070
on the record and in private,

2137
01:50:59,153 --> 01:51:02,865
that enhanced interrogation
techniques were indispensable

2138
01:51:02,948 --> 01:51:04,867
in the war against terrorism.

2139
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:08,371
I think it's an insult to
the many intelligence officers

2140
01:51:08,454 --> 01:51:10,373
who have acquired
good intelligence

2141
01:51:10,456 --> 01:51:12,541
without hurting
or degrading prisoners

2142
01:51:12,625 --> 01:51:16,462
to assert we can't win this war
without such methods.

2143
01:51:16,545 --> 01:51:19,548
Yes, we can, and we will.

2144
01:51:19,632 --> 01:51:21,759
But in the end,

2145
01:51:21,842 --> 01:51:24,428
torture's failure to serve
its intended purpose

2146
01:51:24,512 --> 01:51:27,807
isn't the main reason
to oppose its use.

2147
01:51:27,890 --> 01:51:32,770
This question isn't about
our enemies; it's about us.

2148
01:51:32,853 --> 01:51:38,192
It's about who we were, who we
are, and who we aspire to be.

2149
01:51:38,275 --> 01:51:42,279
It's about how we represent
ourselves to the world.

2150
01:51:42,363 --> 01:51:45,157
Our enemies act
without conscience.

2151
01:51:45,241 --> 01:51:47,201
We must not.

2152
01:51:49,578 --> 01:51:51,723
Senator Dianne Feinstein today

2153
01:51:51,747 --> 01:51:54,500
exposed the CIA's now extinct

2154
01:51:54,583 --> 01:51:56,919
enhanced interrogation
techniques.

2155
01:51:57,002 --> 01:51:58,587
The thing that strikes me about

2156
01:51:58,671 --> 01:52:00,047
what the Senate
was doing today...

2157
01:52:00,131 --> 01:52:02,007
Dianne Feinstein,
Jay Rockefeller...

2158
01:52:02,091 --> 01:52:03,843
Is they were doing
everything they can

2159
01:52:03,926 --> 01:52:06,554
to make sure
this doesn't happen again.

2160
01:52:06,637 --> 01:52:08,722
Because by going public
like this...

2161
01:52:08,806 --> 01:52:10,891
Dan.

2162
01:52:10,975 --> 01:52:12,476
You did well.

2163
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,311
Thank you.

2164
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:16,689
Thank you.

2165
01:52:16,772 --> 01:52:20,484
"We're gonna be on you
if you try to do this."

2166
01:56:07,795 --> 01:56:11,048
<i>♪ If pain was a color
to paint on you ♪</i>

2167
01:56:11,131 --> 01:56:14,093
<i>♪ Your heart would be
the color blue ♪</i>

2168
01:56:14,176 --> 01:56:18,055
<i>♪ Be a gradient from there
until your body met your hair ♪</i>

2169
01:56:18,138 --> 01:56:19,682
<i>♪ Which remained a silver ♪</i>

2170
01:56:19,765 --> 01:56:22,893
<i>♪ You are the one
they call Jesus Christ ♪</i>

2171
01:56:22,976 --> 01:56:25,938
<i>♪ Who didn't know
no rock and roll ♪</i>

2172
01:56:26,021 --> 01:56:29,483
<i>♪ Just a mission and a gun
to paint rainbows in Vietnam ♪</i>

2173
01:56:29,566 --> 01:56:31,402
<i>♪ And a heart
that always told you ♪</i>

2174
01:56:31,485 --> 01:56:33,904
<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>

2175
01:56:34,905 --> 01:56:38,117
<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>

2176
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:41,870
<i>♪ So who wrote the rules?
Who wrote the rules? ♪</i>

2177
01:56:41,954 --> 01:56:43,747
<i>♪ Who wrote the rules? ♪</i>

2178
01:56:43,831 --> 01:56:48,001
<i>♪ They said every one of you
will never try to lend a hand ♪</i>

2179
01:56:48,085 --> 01:56:51,880
<i>♪ When the policemen
don't understand ♪</i>

2180
01:56:51,964 --> 01:56:57,177
<i>♪ Boys, all you boys,
think it's so American ♪</i>

2181
01:56:58,804 --> 01:57:04,184
<i>♪ Girls, all you girls,
yeah, you're so American ♪</i>

2182
01:57:07,896 --> 01:57:10,816
<i>♪ He may not be
born of this land ♪</i>

2183
01:57:10,899 --> 01:57:13,902
<i>♪ But he was born
of this world ♪</i>

2184
01:57:13,986 --> 01:57:15,779
<i>♪ He was born
of all the mothers ♪</i>

2185
01:57:15,863 --> 01:57:17,489
<i>♪ And the colors
of our brothers ♪</i>

2186
01:57:17,573 --> 01:57:19,533
<i>♪ And the love
that was started ♪</i>

2187
01:57:19,616 --> 01:57:22,619
<i>♪ You are the one
they call Jesus Christ ♪</i>

2188
01:57:22,703 --> 01:57:25,748
<i>♪ Who may not know
no rock and roll ♪</i>

2189
01:57:25,831 --> 01:57:27,583
<i>♪ And there may not be
a Heaven ♪</i>

2190
01:57:27,666 --> 01:57:29,418
<i>♪ Or a place
of which to send you ♪</i>

2191
01:57:29,501 --> 01:57:30,961
<i>♪ But you know in the end ♪</i>

2192
01:57:31,044 --> 01:57:33,589
<i>♪ There's madness in us all ♪</i>

2193
01:57:34,590 --> 01:57:36,967
<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>

2194
01:57:37,968 --> 01:57:40,262
<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>

2195
01:57:41,263 --> 01:57:44,600
<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>

2196
01:57:44,683 --> 01:57:48,312
<i>♪ So who wrote the rules?
Who wrote the rules? ♪</i>

2197
01:57:48,395 --> 01:57:50,314
<i>♪ Who wrote the rules? ♪</i>

2198
01:57:50,397 --> 01:57:54,568
<i>♪ They said every one of you
will never try to lend a hand ♪</i>

2199
01:57:54,651 --> 01:57:58,447
<i>♪ When the policemen
don't understand ♪</i>

2200
01:57:58,530 --> 01:58:03,744
<i>♪ Boys, all you boys,
think it's so American ♪</i>

2201
01:58:05,370 --> 01:58:10,751
<i>♪ Girls, all you girls,
yeah, you're so American ♪</i>

2202
01:58:12,211 --> 01:58:14,797
<i>♪ There's two eyes
for every one of us ♪</i>

2203
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:18,842
<i>♪ But somebody got there first
and took them all ♪</i>

2204
01:58:18,926 --> 01:58:21,595
<i>♪ There's two eyes
for every one of us ♪</i>

2205
01:58:21,678 --> 01:58:24,807
<i>♪ But somebody got there first
and took them all ♪</i>

2206
01:58:39,321 --> 01:58:44,368
<i>♪ Man, oh, man,
you think it's so American ♪</i>

2207
01:58:46,078 --> 01:58:51,124
<i>♪ Man, oh, man,
yeah, you're so American ♪</i>

2208
01:58:52,876 --> 01:58:57,840
<i>♪ Man, oh, man,
you think it's so American ♪</i>

2209
01:58:59,550 --> 01:59:04,596
<i>♪ Man, oh, man,
yeah, you're so American ♪</i>

2210
01:59:06,139 --> 01:59:08,517
<i>♪ There's two eyes
for every one of us ♪</i>

2211
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:12,563
<i>♪ But somebody got there first
and took them all ♪</i>

2212
01:59:12,646 --> 01:59:15,274
<i>♪ There's two eyes
for every one of us ♪</i>

2213
01:59:15,357 --> 01:59:18,777
<i>♪ But somebody got there first
and took them all. ♪</i>