tumblbitch vs. Frozenguy

HER:

WHY

DOES FINDING OUT THAT HER SISTER IS DEAD

MAKE THE STORM STOP

ME:
You have a point, but think about this.

She just learned her sister was dead. The sister that she regrets not letting in. The sister that she wanted to hang out with, but couldn’t because she was scared she would hurt her. The sister who used to be her best, best friend.

And she died without being able to make amends. The overcoming grief would overpower all other emotions (namely the fear that was causing the storm in the first place).

HER:
and who says grief = no storm at all? And since when does Elsa’s powers manifest in ways that accurately reflect her feelings? Her feelings DO INCLUDE ‘not wanting to hurt anyone’ and ‘not wanting the ice to happen at all’. Why would grief cancel out the storm when wanting it to stop wouldn’t?

The answer to my question to ‘why does the storm stop’ is really simple; because the plot says it should. Elsa’s powers are not a reflection of her emotions or wants or feelings. They’re plot devices manipulated by the writers that come and go and be pretty and harmless and harmful and scary whenever the writers want them to be. The storm stops because they wanted Anna to see Elsa so we could get our ‘twist’ ending. The storm stops because its so ‘dramatic’ to show it dissipating as Elsa collapses into tears.

Its not because Elsa’s powers make sense or have any established rules or boundaries, but because hte writers are hacks that think in cliches and only know how to pull on hearstrings by banging your chest open with a mallet to get at them.

Also they were not best friends as adults. Anna was not Elsa’s best, best friend. She was at one point, maybe. Its possible Elsa had OTHER friends that were cut out of her life by her shit parents. But they weren’t friends at this point. Anna didn’t even listen to Elsa and was a horribly triggering asshole

ME:
I’ll admit that grief = no storm is complete headcanon. I’ll also admit that the storm stayed raging during Elsa’s period of unconsciousness, which probably shouldn’t have happened, due to her not being unable to control anything while knocked out (which, while we’re at it, what knocked her out? Did she run into the door when she tumbled? Did Hans or one of the Wesegrunts hit her after she got up? There’s no way that simply avoiding a chandelier would knock you out for several hours).

Maybe not wanting the ice to work is ineffective. Kind of like how you don’t want to cry at something, but you just can’t help it. So then why would grief kill the storm? Well, yes, because the plot asked for it and it looks cool, but also because complete grief can essentially stop anything. I don’t know if you’ve ever been that sad before, but pretty much everything stops.

Also, let’s take a movie for a moment. At what point would they have time to completely tell us the ins and outs of Elsa’s magic? I mean, they didn’t even tell us how or why Elsa came to be of these powers anyway. Anna sure didn’t know about the powers until the last little bit, and Elsa herself never trained with them because her parents were over-restrictive. In other words there was no one to tell us the limits of her magic, or even the time if they did. The closest thing is when Grandpabbi tells Elsa that her magic is wonderful, but could lead to danger.

Have you ever had a best friend you stopped talking to? Usually it’s done little by little - you start hanging out less, you start talking less, and eventually you don’t talk anymore. This isn’t what happened to Elsa and Anna, who were 9 and 6 years old at the time. I’d imagine this was damaging to both of them, especially Anna when her best friend just suddenly disappears as if she had never been there.

Enter Elsa, who feels really bad for just cutting her sister off, not to mention hitting her with ice two different times, just learning of her sister’s death. The last time she and her sister had spoke, they hadn’t left on good terms at all. AT ALL. Overwhelming grief overtakes her, she loses a will to live, and the storm stops.

Again, this is all just speculation and headcanon, but do keep in mind; it’s a movie. for children. It’s always going to have plot holes in it.

HER:
Here’s the issue with the entirety of your response; you are not acting as if the choices within the movie are made by human beings outside of it. The writers and directors could have chosen to give more time to explaining Elsa’s powers (and needed to). They could have chosen to treat Elsa’s struggle with respect. They could have fixed the egregious amount of plot holes littering the whole of their shitty project, as well as the terrible, inconsistent visual narration, the racism, the ableism, the misogyny, the lazy lip-syncing, all of it

they didn’t. They put the sisters aside for a shitty romance plot and made the sister relationship the ‘surprise’ twist ending we shouldn’t have seen coming.

My issues are with the creators, and you are wasting your time by speaking in hypotheticals still locked within the poorly crafted frame they’ve built as if their rules and logic are worth respecting. Also fuck you for taking the ‘it’s for children’ excuse. This movie wasn’t written by children. It was made by adults employed by one of the most well respected animation studios in the fucking world. I can and do expect more quality work from them, ESPECIALLY because their media is meant to entertain and inform children.