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+SerdarArgic_1
I would suggest looking the definition up in a dictionary]
as that is the definition I am using
@UnderCoverNerd
there are many dictionaries tho? but it seems you don't wish to pin down your definition, is there a reason why?
+TrumpsSentientToupee
Which is?
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@UnderCoverNerd
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the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics) <- i don't see how
pro choice abortion policies do any of this.
+ShiAh
Pro-abortion policies*
+SerdarArgic_1
they could but not necessarily
they could and have been used for that
+ShiAh
Is the topic eugenics?
Most people don't have the cognitive prerequisites to debate eugenics.
+SerdarArgic_1
HIllary said Margret Sanger is one of her heroes
+ShiAh
Too many taboo responses, too little emotional control.
Margret Sanger did many, many positive things.
+smore
we're trying to decide if sully should be euthanized
+TrumpsSentientToupee
Yes she did
+ShiAh
Planned Parenthood is a great organization.
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+ShiAh
SerdarArgic_1: you're against abortion, then?
But you eat animals, right?
+SerdarArgic_1
Shia , you sound like a pro-eugenics person to say that
@UnderCoverNerd
SerdarArgic_1: all of the things we have talked about /can/ be used for it
+ShiAh
So, you perceive 5-day old fetuses as having more ethical value than three-year old pigs
+SerdarArgic_1
to say most ppl don;t have the congnitive prerequisites
+ShiAh
SerdarArgic_1: I am a philosopher
I don't have any emotional reactions to concepts
Eugenics is a plausible worldview that seems likely to generate many benefits
I am against eugenics at this time, however
A sufficient reason is that existing governments are not trustworthy enough to implement such a powerful policy
SerdarArgic_1: I notice you didn't want to engage the animal eating thing
+Donalbain
Planned Parenthood has NEVER been engaged in eugenics.
+ShiAh
The systematic raising of 80 billion chickens, worldwide, so you can enjoy eating chicken
Even though animal farming is the number one contributor to climate change -- above transporation
And is water use unsustainable
And the ethics are horrifying
+Donalbain
A lot of lying shitbags will quote mine Margaret Sanger though to pretend otherwise
+ShiAh
But, you're really concerned about five day old balls of cells
+SerdarArgic_1
o shit a cat emergency almost happened
but he's ok
unless it was a little kid that sounded like a cat
Ignoring SerdarArgic_1!*@*
+ShiAh
SerdarArgic_1: I put you on ignore
Reason: You have successfully communicated it's pointless to debate you
I am a vegetarian, by the way
I became a vegetarian for 100% ethical reasons
(Meat tastes good)
+Donalbain
It is worth remembering that the rich will always have access to safe, discrete abortion.
+ShiAh
But, it's fun to watch you do nothing more than defend your own species, which evolution programmed you to do
And imagine yourself being noble
There can be no rights unless people own their bodies
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+ShiAh
One of the most important ways we own our bodies is deciding if other things get to grow in them
@UnderCoverNerd
if one owns their own body, can they then sell it?
+Donalbain
SerdarArgic_1: Have you heard of Tay Sachs?
+smore
i grow wheat grass in mine
+ShiAh
Allowing the government to regulate such an intimate part of a person's life will necessarily tip the balance of state-individual relations to an untenable position
UnderCoverNerd: as you likely know, selling of one's body (I assume you mean parts of that body) is disallowed under standard ethics
Yes, I support selling of body parts in such situations, but those situations probably almost never arise in practice
+Donalbain
SerdarArgic_1: So, you agree that eugenics is not always bad.
@UnderCoverNerd
ShiAh: I meant the entire body. ie selling oneself into slavery
+ShiAh
Yes, I support that in some cases, but those don't seem to be occurring in practice
@UnderCoverNerd
SerdarArgic_1: So you claim abortion is eugenics, but say if one does something voluntarily it isn't? o ok
+ShiAh
In practice, people find themselves in terrible situations because of failed political and economic systems
And in their desperation, they violate their likely true, long-term consent, for short-term consent to solve an immediate problem
+Donalbain
SerdarArgic_1: In Jewish communities, families will often check the genetic status of prospective partners for Tay Sachs genes. If both parties carry the gene, the marriage will not go ahead. Is that OK?
+ShiAh
And I would rather that be addressed through fixing of those failed economic and political systems
+Donalbain
SerdarArgic_1: In Jewish communities, families will often check the genetic status of prospective partners for Tay Sachs genes. If both parties carry the gene, the marriage will not go ahead. Is that OK?
@UnderCoverNerd
SerdarArgic_1: do you tho? cuz you criticized hillary for possibly supporting eugenics vis a vis supporting abortion
+Donalbain
SerdarArgic_1: So, you agree that eugenics is sometimes OK.
+ShiAh
Donalbain: I argue that debating SerdarArgic_1 is pairing a positive stimulus, attention, to the behavior of taboo creation by somebody who is not particularly intelligent
I argue this is unethical
@UnderCoverNerd
<+SerdarArgic_1> Hillary seems to support Eugenics more than Mike pEnce <@UnderCoverNerd> and that's based on the fact neither of them have spoken about it and you're speculating or?  <+SerdarArgic_1> relating to the abortion issue
+Donalbain
SerdarArgic_1: I gave you a clear example of eugenics. YOu agree that is is OK.
SerdarArgic_1: What evidence do you have that Margaret Sanger was in favour of eugenics?
+ShiAh
It's an interesting psychological feature of our species that one of our favorite things to do is engage wrong, dumb people and tell them they are wrong
+Donalbain
SerdarArgic_1: What evidence do you have that Margaret Sanger was in favour of eugenics?
+ShiAh
Rather than engage smart people who can grow the frontiers of our worldview
Ignoring Donalbain!*@*
+ShiAh
Donalbain: I put you on ignore
Reason: You continue to aggressively engage a dummy on a topic, likely producing dumb output
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