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  1. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 20 10:21:21 2016
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  3. Nov 20 10:21:21 * Now talking on #legazelle
  4. Nov 20 10:21:21 * Topic for #legazelle is: Info: http://bit.ly/2fbsa6H Operation Legazelle: ideas for a legal music metadata repository || https://pad.okfn.org/p/legazelle-ideas || password: solongthankswhatcd
  5. Nov 20 10:21:21 * Topic for #legazelle set by shardz (Sat Nov 19 15:16:52 2016)
  6. Nov 20 10:21:37 <Soliloquy259> Did the pw for tm+ channel change?
  7. Nov 20 10:22:17 * likeatree (~likeatree@P2PNET-581D5EB1.twcny.res.rr.com) has joined
  8. Nov 20 10:25:30 <ShaxShax> pw: solongwcd
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  11. Nov 20 11:40:15 * tatsujin_ is now known as tatsujin
  12. Nov 20 12:09:33 <tatsujin> okapi has already been registered, right? how about we move to a new channel, have it all okapi branded
  13. Nov 20 12:16:14 <theremin> Hopefully we'll just have our own server soon, so not a big deal.
  14. Nov 20 12:17:37 <tatsujin> oh yeah that would be nice
  15. Nov 20 12:18:09 <Linna> theremin: I mentioned this in passing to shardz but I made a couple of suggestions in the forum thread
  16. Nov 20 12:18:18 <Linna> Not sure if you guys on the dev side are checking that out
  17. Nov 20 12:21:33 <shardz> They are.
  18. Nov 20 12:21:43 <shardz> we*
  19. Nov 20 12:22:02 <Linna> Excellent
  20. Nov 20 12:28:23 <theremin> Oh yeah. I mean, first we gotta get it up, but there was a great one in there.
  21. Nov 20 12:28:56 <theremin> I mean, like what.cd, it's really gonna be on users, but editions that are exactly alike being linked is a great idea.
  22. Nov 20 12:29:22 <tatsujin> how about funding? i could send some money to get things going
  23. Nov 20 12:29:39 <theremin> Honestly, I'd also love if there was something showing how many tracks, or the "most complete" or something.
  24. Nov 20 12:30:02 <theremin> What do you guys think about separating artists with the same name?
  25. Nov 20 12:30:19 <Linna> I definitely feel like the logs could be harnassed. When new What goes up at whatever time, using Okapi, people are going to have albums to upload with often no clue about catalogue numbers and editions
  26. Nov 20 12:31:10 <Linna> Separating artists would possibly work, I like the old solution of a brief descriptor for those with the same name (the “American band”/“Japanese band” kind of deal)
  27. Nov 20 12:31:37 <Linna> If it shows in auto correct and the new torrent artist dropdowns, it would be pretty flawless
  28. Nov 20 12:31:39 <theremin> Oh, right.
  29. Nov 20 12:31:58 <theremin> uhhh...I was gonna write in there.
  30. Nov 20 12:32:49 <theremin> We aren't going to be involved with trackers in that way, just metadata. That's gonna be on the trackers to make rules for folder conventions or whatever.
  31. Nov 20 12:33:29 <theremin> Once the site is actually set up, there can't be any discussions about any illegal activity.
  32. Nov 20 12:34:07 <theremin> I feel like okapi can have forum and album comments that create a community that talks about music, but it can't be like..."Oh, I found this on such and such tracker"
  33. Nov 20 12:34:34 <Linna> Fair enough. Some databases (like the dynamic range one) do store EAC log sort of info, thought it might be possible
  34. Nov 20 12:34:40 <theremin> And while people may have suggestions for how trackers run shit like that, that shouldn't be discussed through okapi or represented by okapi
  35. Nov 20 12:35:15 <theremin> We might be able to store some additional data, if there are purposes besides piracy.
  36. Nov 20 12:35:54 <theremin> Like the log of the physical media, so you can match it if you're ripping your own stuff?
  37. Nov 20 12:36:26 <Linna> Yes, exactly that
  38. Nov 20 12:36:29 <theremin> But like...this is a good example of leaving this channel here, so this discussion is here and not #okapi
  39. Nov 20 12:36:49 <Linna> For example
  40. Nov 20 12:36:50 <Linna> http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-smiths-cd-comparison-thread.94956/#post-2089965
  41. Nov 20 12:37:08 <Linna> First forum I could think of, but this thread has EAC values to match editions that are identical
  42. Nov 20 12:37:28 <Linna> It creates a link between log values and catalogue/edition number
  43. Nov 20 12:37:41 <Linna> It’s just an idea, but it’d have use both for trackers and for the pure metadata/database user
  44. Nov 20 12:37:42 <theremin> I can't wait for the site to be up so we have an easy to use forum to talk about this stuff and keep track.
  45. Nov 20 12:37:52 <theremin> And get into seeing how it can lay out.
  46. Nov 20 12:38:23 <theremin> I mean, at the base, it's just recreating what.cd without a tracker, but people always wanted to tweak what.cd, and then we have more tweaks on top of that.
  47. Nov 20 12:38:41 <Linna> So my thinking on the framework was, taking the uploaded log, and stripping out all but the track number / peak value / track length, and storing that alongside the other metadata
  48. Nov 20 12:38:52 <Linna> Nothing illegal or identifying is stored in that process
  49. Nov 20 12:39:02 <Linna> But I understand it may be an advanced feature for now
  50. Nov 20 12:39:04 <tatsujin> i am really looking forward! i was hoping for it to develop just the way we are talking about now
  51. Nov 20 12:39:13 <Linna> And yes - this all sounds like a good idea theremin
  52. Nov 20 12:50:46 <mantis4tons> If this can truly be the master data source for a hydra of trackers, it could be useful to have discussions on the various versions of an album submitted to okapi - i.e. "the 2004 SACD master sounds better than the aksman vinyl rip of the 1974 pressing." The trick will be moderating out comments that are piracy focused ("thanks for the upload") from those that are about the music or mastering
  53. Nov 20 12:50:46 <mantis4tons> differences between releases etc. Losing those types of conversations from wcd hurts.
  54. Nov 20 12:53:18 <tatsujin> auto-block of keywords "tracker" upload" "torrent" and the like
  55. Nov 20 12:54:06 <tatsujin> comments have to be approved manually? would mean a lot of work
  56. Nov 20 12:54:12 <mantis4tons> so it could look a lot like a more structured discogs, with entities for artist / album / album version, conversation topics under each entity entry, plus a global forum.
  57. Nov 20 12:54:33 <mantis4tons> having a living list of filter terms plus moderation, maybe?
  58. Nov 20 12:54:37 <tatsujin> the forum is still being discussed i think, might be without
  59. Nov 20 12:55:37 <mantis4tons> Having more structured data for things like tracklists could be super-useful - people could build auto-tagging application using the data, for example
  60. Nov 20 12:57:45 <Linna> I guess certain features like discussions would come in later lest it take years to develop
  61. Nov 20 12:58:02 <Linna> But certainly centralising anything that’s 100% legal is a good thing
  62. Nov 20 12:58:08 <theremin> certainly, it will be an ongoing project.
  63. Nov 20 12:58:16 <Linna> Beware on the centralised collages though
  64. Nov 20 12:58:24 <Linna> Some of the charts are arguably not legal to reproduce
  65. Nov 20 12:58:36 <Linna> i.e. Top 100 Albums of 2016 by a publication, that could be a grey area
  66. Nov 20 12:58:40 <theremin> I've been stewing on how to work torrent comments and/or info.
  67. Nov 20 12:59:08 <tatsujin> good point Linna
  68. Nov 20 12:59:19 <theremin> blech, we'll need to talk to someone about that. Are those on RYM?
  69. Nov 20 12:59:21 <Linna> I feel like torrent comments can’t really be centralised, they’re too liable to refer to illegal activity
  70. Nov 20 13:00:21 <Linna> And so long as everything else of value is coded into the system, arguably they’re not of as much value to retain anyway
  71. Nov 20 13:01:19 <theremin> we are probably going to need different classes of users, potentially.
  72. Nov 20 13:01:50 <Linna> Moderated submissions from certain classes, a bit like Discogs? Except actually moderated, unlike Discogs...
  73. Nov 20 13:02:27 <theremin> I wonder if people on okapi can vote for editions, and then put that in the db to filter down.
  74. Nov 20 13:02:52 <theremin> But again. I think there's going to people who might want to USE okapi and a separate class of music experts.
  75. Nov 20 13:03:11 <Linna> Formulating editions shouldn’t be too hard, with an alias system for identicals
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  77. Nov 20 13:03:18 <theremin> Voting on edition isn't like voting on albums, you have to listen to multiple editions to have a thought about it!
  78. Nov 20 13:03:38 <theremin> I personally probably have less than 100 editions I'd even vote on.
  79. Nov 20 13:04:19 <Linna> Peak levels are a useful tool in judging editions for the end user, at least on a loudness war front
  80. Nov 20 13:04:21 <theremin> But die-hard users...if they have the ability to edit the description box, could also put stuff in that's useful.
  81. Nov 20 13:05:53 <Linna> I’d certainly centralise descriptions
  82. Nov 20 13:06:30 <mantis4tons> yes, and things like artists and their roles on a given album can be centralized too
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  84. Nov 20 13:07:27 <tatsujin> oh yes
  85. Nov 20 13:07:36 <tatsujin> i bought roon because of this
  86. Nov 20 13:07:44 <tatsujin> it has pretty good metadata
  87. Nov 20 13:08:22 <mantis4tons> is anyone starting to capture potential data structures for okapi? or is the implementation hypothesis that we adapt something that's already out there?
  88. Nov 20 13:08:49 <tatsujin> maybe take a look at MB's database and see if we can make something similar?
  89. Nov 20 13:08:49 <Linna> The dev side is being done in the private dev channels, I believe
  90. Nov 20 13:10:08 <theremin> yeah, we just registered yesterday.
  91. Nov 20 13:10:29 <theremin> we're moving.
  92. Nov 20 13:10:39 <shardz> tatsujin: No, we're not going to build anything "similar" to MB; we're going to use MB data where available.
  93. Nov 20 13:10:39 <theremin> But the brain storming is great.
  94. Nov 20 13:10:46 <shardz> And going to encourage users to contribute back to MB as much as possible.
  95. Nov 20 13:10:56 <shardz> MB is already an amazing database, we just want to store a superset of info that's on MB.
  96. Nov 20 13:11:04 <tatsujin> very good!
  97. Nov 20 13:11:27 <theremin> And then flesh out more data than MB, and make it look structured and pretty like what.cd
  98. Nov 20 13:11:55 <mantis4tons> Makes sense. I think the key to long-term success is designing the data structures to easily accomodate non-infringing uses - the API layered on top of the data should be built for consumption by a marketplace or a discogs-like collection tracker or whatever (with the consuming clients storing the data necessary for their use case). Having real non-infringing usage should make the site much
  99. Nov 20 13:11:55 <mantis4tons> more defensible from a legal perspective
  100. Nov 20 13:11:57 <Linna> I would hope that one implementation for the later tracker would be to use Okapi to introduce placeholder albums/etc on artist pages and in collages for things that are missing
  101. Nov 20 13:12:02 <Linna> Especially useful in rebuildin
  102. Nov 20 13:12:16 <Linna> So instead of a note on missing collage items, it can just outright be a placeholder using Okapi info
  103. Nov 20 13:14:21 <shardz> Yeah there's a tonne of really cool corollary features like that that this gets us.
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  105. Nov 20 13:17:16 * mantis4tons is now known as mantis4tons_away
  106. Nov 20 13:18:53 <theremin> yes...my idea is that hopefully the trackers can have a setting that lets people see all albums, or just albums on the tracker.
  107. Nov 20 13:19:20 <theremin> average users might prefer just what's on the tracker, but uploaders might find blank listings useful.
  108. Nov 20 13:19:31 <tatsujin> great for the requests page too
  109. Nov 20 13:45:35 * mantis4tons_away is now known as mantis4tons
  110. Nov 20 14:20:09 * mantis4tons is now known as mantis4tons_away
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  118. Nov 20 17:40:45 <Soliloquy259> The legal website should not be community based. No comments, no forums. No personal collges. Themed collages and profiles with a PM system at most. We absoluetly cannot control users bringing us down for being related to trackers.
  119. Nov 20 17:41:53 <Soliloquy259> It's just supposed to be a back-up catalog so if a tracker goes down they load up the catalog into a new location and user fill in the blanks by uploading there copies to the correct release group by way of comparing thier copy with all the metadat on the legal site.
  120. Nov 20 17:48:46 <Takaji> Soliloquy259, we're discussing in #okapi now, since that's the name this project has taken.
  121. Nov 20 17:56:52 * collut__ (~collut@P2PNET-D5AAA874.wireless.sfu.ca) has joined
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  124. Nov 20 18:06:44 <collut> testing testing 1,2,3
  125. Nov 20 18:07:15 <theremin> microphone check 1-2,1-2
  126. Nov 20 18:08:06 <collut> just switched to a new client because the old one wasn't cooperating
  127. Nov 20 18:13:24 <Takaji> collut, we're in #okapi now. :)
  128. Nov 20 18:13:33 <collut> Yep
  129. Nov 20 18:13:37 <collut> I'm aware
  130. Nov 20 18:13:48 <collut> Trying to set this up
  131. Nov 20 18:14:11 <collut> :)
  132. Nov 20 18:14:21 * Takaji is now known as Takaji_afk
  133. Nov 20 18:14:36 <Takaji_afk> Cool :)
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  136. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 20 18:27:15 2016
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  138. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 21 07:02:28 2016
  139.  
  140. Nov 21 07:02:28 * Now talking on #legazelle
  141. Nov 21 07:02:28 * Topic for #legazelle is: Info: http://bit.ly/2fbsa6H Operation Legazelle: ideas for a legal music metadata repository || https://pad.okfn.org/p/legazelle-ideas || password: solongthankswhatcd
  142. Nov 21 07:02:28 * Topic for #legazelle set by shardz (Sat Nov 19 15:16:52 2016)
  143. Nov 21 07:02:33 <Soliloquy259> hey guys I'm up
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  145. Nov 21 08:41:35 * Mechazawa (~shodan@P2PNET-CA8E47B.thenetworkfactory.nl) has joined
  146. Nov 21 08:41:49 <Mechazawa> hey hey
  147. Nov 21 08:41:59 <Mechazawa> Did I miss anything/
  148. Nov 21 08:43:27 * Aktavor69 gives channel operator status to Neobenedict
  149. Nov 21 08:54:42 * mantis4tons_away (~mantis4to@P2PNET-67D7E6CB.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined
  150. Nov 21 09:00:37 * mantis4tons_away is now known as mantis4tons
  151. Nov 21 09:06:28 <Soliloquy259> Mechazawa, I think you'd know more than me, what is going on with this project? I really like it.
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  155. Nov 21 10:01:43 * collut-away is now known as collut
  156. Nov 21 10:03:07 <collut> 'sup Mechazawa
  157. Nov 21 10:03:20 <collut> How'd the date go lol
  158. Nov 21 10:03:41 <Mechazawa> pgud
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  168. Nov 21 12:18:14 * Takaji_afk is now known as Takaji
  169. Nov 21 12:32:10 <theremin> or in here, if you must.
  170. Nov 21 12:32:17 <tatsujin> got it
  171. Nov 21 12:35:13 <Takaji> Hehe
  172. Nov 21 12:36:22 <theremin> I've been thinking how to lock that down for the site.
  173. Nov 21 12:37:11 <tatsujin> how to lock down talk about trackers?
  174. Nov 21 12:37:28 <theremin> I think a user class won't be able to comment on anything. You'll have to go to a screen and read the commenting policy, and say that you comprehend it before you can move to the next class.
  175. Nov 21 12:38:06 <tatsujin> sounds reasonable
  176. Nov 21 12:38:10 <theremin> And then it'll be a zero-tolerance policy. anyone can report a comment about illegal activity, mods will delete the comment and remove their commenting priv.
  177. Nov 21 12:38:19 <tatsujin> auto block of keywords in comments
  178. Nov 21 12:38:52 <theremin> and/or maybe hold some for approval.
  179. Nov 21 12:39:03 <tatsujin> yes, i think that will work
  180. Nov 21 12:39:07 <theremin> like..."upload" could be something legit like data.
  181. Nov 21 12:39:14 <Neobenedict> it's not illegal to talk about it
  182. Nov 21 12:39:48 <theremin> We just have to make sure we're not seen as fascilitating it.
  183. Nov 21 12:40:27 <tatsujin> i like what you said yesterday regarding userscripts, we can really easy have an overview of trackers carrying a certain release
  184. Nov 21 12:40:45 <tatsujin> maybe even a separate comment field via the userscript for torrent-talk
  185. Nov 21 12:40:51 <theremin> Especially if there are browser extensions that wind up linking things, I really don't want people accidentally commenting on an okapi page, "thanks for the upload!"
  186. Nov 21 12:42:16 <theremin> We want this think bullletproof, and there's 800 million places people can talk about piracy, there's just no need to draw any attention.
  187. Nov 21 12:42:41 * hfatih_ (~hfatih@F2CBDF68.B31D2BC7.948E37EA.IP) has joined
  188. Nov 21 12:44:50 <Takaji> I dunno, I don't think it's worth our time to worry about people talking about trackers, especially if it's in passing in a comment. It's a whole other thing if they're sharing download links or something.
  189. Nov 21 12:45:05 <Takaji> I think Neobenedict makes a good point that it's not illegal to talk about it.
  190. Nov 21 12:46:23 <Takaji> A capable mod team will be able to identify inappropriate comments and judge whether the person should be warned or disabled/banned. Because I think you'll get a lot of people who, despite reading the rules, may inadvertently make a mistake and mention a tracker.
  191. Nov 21 12:46:42 <theremin> well, at least until we get that, and get a chance to talk to a lawyer.
  192. Nov 21 12:46:52 <theremin> that, meaning a capable mod team.
  193. Nov 21 12:47:09 <Takaji> What if someone makes a comment like "I got this information over at tracker xxx, a guy uploaded all the scans and it was super helpful"
  194. Nov 21 12:47:30 <Takaji> Sounds innocent enough.
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  197. Nov 21 13:06:27 * mantis4tons is now known as mantis4tons_away
  198. Nov 21 13:19:50 <theremin> we still need to figure out images.
  199. Nov 21 13:31:24 <Soliloquy259> I think we sould have a whitelist of image hosting websites. Urls to those sites, and when a new whatimg arrives we have to do a mass conversion, but It's holding us back right now
  200. Nov 21 13:36:40 <theremin> well..it's not holding us back right now, but it 2 - 3 days it will be. :)
  201. Nov 21 13:37:04 <theremin> what are even some potential whitelisted sites?
  202. Nov 21 13:38:29 <collut-away> theremin well we can even host them ourselves, given that there is a size limit for each image
  203. Nov 21 13:38:37 * collut-away is now known as collut
  204. Nov 21 13:42:38 <theremin> hmmm....
  205. Nov 21 13:47:55 <collut> I mean I'd be able to foot the bill for Amazon S3 for a pretty reasonable number of images
  206. Nov 21 13:48:41 <theremin> does that have the same problem with security as linking from Amazon?
  207. Nov 21 13:49:14 <collut> no, that problem arises from linking photos from the Amazon PRODUCT page, where everything is tracked because you are a customer
  208. Nov 21 13:49:46 <collut> amazon S3 is a mass-storage system offered by Amazon AWS, a separate company under amazon; and it's used by companies to hold things like images
  209. Nov 21 13:50:12 <collut> So no cookies tracked there
  210. Nov 21 13:51:10 <theremin> I suspected that, but I was just making sure.
  211. Nov 21 13:51:16 <theremin> I haven't used S3.
  212. Nov 21 13:51:31 <theremin> I heard someone has 100TB of storage or something for $70 a year?
  213. Nov 21 13:52:06 <Neobenedict> that would be nice
  214. Nov 21 13:52:22 <collut> That's probably Amazon glacier, it's for archive-grade MASSIVE storage (like, huge) but retreival takes anywhere from 4 hours to 3 days
  215. Nov 21 13:52:24 <Neobenedict> if its a server even better
  216. Nov 21 13:52:34 <collut> It's dirt cheap but it's slow
  217. Nov 21 13:52:42 <Neobenedict> the company 100tb doesnt actually sell 100tb servers
  218. Nov 21 13:53:22 <collut> The idea that I have is: I have a server that is really cheap to operate, and I can create a web service that connects that server with S3, and people can upload images and get links
  219. Nov 21 13:54:19 <collut> The advantage would be that it would be up and running pretty quickly, and it wouldn't be readily blocked by censor-loving governments
  220. Nov 21 13:54:54 <theremin> Here's another thing I was wondering.
  221. Nov 21 13:55:15 <theremin> We can then export that collection of images somewhere else later?
  222. Nov 21 13:55:33 <collut> Yes, if that somewhere else allows it
  223. Nov 21 13:56:05 <collut> I can write an exporting script that would basically move every image to whatimg or something like that, if they allow that
  224. Nov 21 13:56:14 <theremin> So, potentially, if something happens there, or you don't feel like hosting it, we can move it, and just tell the db to replace all instances of http://collut.com with http://newsite.com
  225. Nov 21 13:56:52 <collut> or even better I can put a CNAME record for collut.com that points to newsite.com and you wouldn't even need to do that
  226. Nov 21 13:57:20 <collut> I can start working on this right now if you guys are interested in seeing something like this
  227. Nov 21 13:57:32 <collut> and if you think people would actually use it
  228. Nov 21 13:58:48 <theremin> As soon as we are ready to start inputting data, we'll be using it, yeah.
  229. Nov 21 13:58:51 <theremin> awesome!
  230. Nov 21 14:01:30 <collut> what should the address be?
  231. Nov 21 14:01:40 <collut> img.okapi.media?
  232. Nov 21 14:01:43 <collut> okapi.photos?
  233. Nov 21 14:01:57 <collut> or something else entirely?
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  235. Nov 21 14:04:28 <Soliloquy259> I have unlimited storage through google drive is that helpful?
  236. Nov 21 14:05:51 <collut> do you have a way of accessing that storage through an API?
  237. Nov 21 14:06:25 <collut> If so that would be super extremely helpful, but I don't think they'd let you do that kind of thing
  238. Nov 21 14:07:20 <theremin> okapimg?
  239. Nov 21 14:07:29 <theremin> heh.
  240. Nov 21 14:07:31 <collut> shit waddup!
  241. Nov 21 14:07:38 * MrRobot (~MrRobot@2B4F3C18:53F8D5E2:560AB0E4:IP) has joined
  242. Nov 21 14:07:44 <collut> that's a pretty good domain name actually lol
  243. Nov 21 14:08:37 <MrRobot> hey guys, how can i help?
  244. Nov 21 14:08:49 <Soliloquy259> Bring us coffee
  245. Nov 21 14:08:50 <Soliloquy259> LOL JK
  246. Nov 21 14:08:53 <MrRobot> lol
  247. Nov 21 14:09:01 <MrRobot> i just made one with my aeropress
  248. Nov 21 14:10:21 <MrRobot> trying to come up to speed - reading the doc
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  253. Nov 21 14:40:26 <Soliloquy259> So for ex. this is all the data I have for this web release, but the CD copy of this releae (it exists) would have to have scans, a TOC, and peak levels attached to the track list to be 100% complete.
  254. Nov 21 14:40:26 <Soliloquy259> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzO5dovqiWAobmNzaDhDNmI2R1U/view?usp=sharing
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  271. Nov 21 16:25:59 <theremin> a couple thoughts I had while driving.
  272. Nov 21 16:26:27 <theremin> I was thinking about PtP's collages on the right. I like the layout, but I think what.cd tended to have much longer collage names.
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  289. Nov 21 19:10:48 <theremin> I have something to ask everyone about the logistics of adding data.
  290. Nov 21 19:11:22 <theremin> I hope I don't sounds like an idiot. I have limited knowledge of PHP (3 days with PHP for dummies or so), and site scraping.
  291. Nov 21 19:12:28 <theremin> There's been a lot of talk about site scraping from one of the three main sites. Can anyone tell me how easy that's going to be given the sheer amount of data, and things like multiple artists, and pointless entries?
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  299. Nov 21 21:39:18 <tatsujin> three main sites, you mean main database sites like MB, discogs, .. ?
  300. Nov 21 21:40:12 <collut> three main sites? Did I miss something in between?
  301. Nov 21 21:40:34 <tatsujin> [08:10] <@theremin> I have something to ask everyone about the logistics of adding data.
  302. Nov 21 21:40:34 <tatsujin> [08:11] <@theremin> I hope I don't sounds like an idiot. I have limited knowledge of PHP (3 days with PHP for dummies or so), and site scraping.
  303. Nov 21 21:40:34 <tatsujin> [08:12] <@theremin> There's been a lot of talk about site scraping from one of the three main sites. Can anyone tell me how easy that's going to be given the sheer amount of data, and things like multiple artists, and pointless entries?
  304. Nov 21 21:41:09 <collut> Oh I guess I did mis something
  305. Nov 21 21:41:14 <tatsujin> hehe
  306. Nov 21 21:41:51 <collut> But as far as I know the talks are about scraping data from MusicBrainz, Discogs and something else that I can't recall
  307. Nov 21 21:42:02 <tatsujin> i think it won't be easy, but nothing is impossible
  308. Nov 21 21:42:02 <collut> This is on the #what-dev channel by the way
  309. Nov 21 21:42:23 <tatsujin> oh, i didn't join that one
  310. Nov 21 21:42:56 <collut> Don't bother, it's a bit of a clusterfuck
  311. Nov 21 21:43:34 <collut> here's the important stuff that they have come up with: https://pad.okfn.org/p/distributed_music_ideas
  312. Nov 21 21:43:37 <tatsujin> yeah, the open channels all became one
  313. Nov 21 21:43:46 <tatsujin> thanks for the link
  314. Nov 21 21:44:05 <collut> It's just a massive dump of disjointed ideas but there are some things worth looking at
  315. Nov 21 21:45:15 <tatsujin> i know roon have been fighting with this for a while, getting metadata from various providers, then running it through their algorithms into one big database
  316. Nov 21 21:47:37 <collut> Yeah, it sounds like something that can get very messy very quickly; but it probably is one of the most viable options there are
  317. Nov 21 21:48:00 <collut> Because there is a lot of metadata to sift through and we're only human
  318. Nov 21 21:48:08 <Soliloquy259> besides starting from scratch the only option is to import and then correct/ improve on the imported datda
  319. Nov 21 21:48:46 <collut> Any ideas as to where we can import from?
  320. Nov 21 21:49:51 <tatsujin> musicbrainz
  321. Nov 21 21:49:54 <tatsujin> discogs
  322. Nov 21 21:49:55 <tatsujin> allmusic
  323. Nov 21 21:49:59 <Soliloquy259> musicbrainz or dicogs have the biggest library of metadata. Would need to be verified everything is correct becuase entries can be added by anyone. The new dtatabase HAS to have a spot to put the TOC and peak levels of tracks (from CDs) otherwise it's practically useless.
  324. Nov 21 21:50:30 <tatsujin> i would love to see something like whosampled integrated later on :)
  325. Nov 21 21:50:41 <Soliloquy259> whosampled?
  326. Nov 21 21:50:56 <tatsujin> http://www.whosampled.com/
  327. Nov 21 21:51:53 <Soliloquy259> So like this: http://www.soundsjustlike.com/
  328. Nov 21 21:52:03 <tatsujin> they do have an api, we could look into that once the main stuff is up and running http://www.whosampled.com/metadata/
  329. Nov 21 21:52:22 <tatsujin> oh, i didn't know that site
  330. Nov 21 21:52:23 <tatsujin> nice
  331. Nov 21 21:52:41 <Soliloquy259> Yeah it's a good one, pretty GUI
  332. Nov 21 21:53:15 <tatsujin> regarding sources, there's also freedb?
  333. Nov 21 21:56:19 <tatsujin> as i mentioned earlier, there are interesting discussions regarding metadata on the roon forums, might be worth looking into
  334. Nov 21 21:56:21 <tatsujin> https://community.roonlabs.com/c/support/metadata-issues
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  336. Nov 21 22:04:16 <theremin> what I've been thinking of the main sites are MB, Discogs and RYM
  337. Nov 21 22:04:42 <theremin> which are in order of more data/less functioning to less data (potentially)/higher functioning
  338. Nov 21 22:05:39 <tatsujin> does RYM have an api?
  339. Nov 21 22:06:26 <theremin> I don't know.
  340. Nov 21 22:06:36 <theremin> I meant functioning as a website/social aspects
  341. Nov 21 22:06:46 <tatsujin> ah, yes
  342. Nov 21 22:06:53 <theremin> RYM incorporates user ratings, and has things like collages, at least
  343. Nov 21 22:07:09 <theremin> MB, I think, doesn't really have any...anything but data.
  344. Nov 21 22:07:14 <tatsujin> yes, i NEED collages back
  345. Nov 21 22:07:15 <theremin> and discogs has a mix of the two?
  346. Nov 21 22:07:20 <tatsujin> seems like it
  347. Nov 21 22:08:21 <theremin> anyway....
  348. Nov 21 22:08:41 <theremin> I need to brainstorm with someone who has php/scraping experience.
  349. Nov 21 22:08:54 <theremin> I've been getting a lot out of one-on-one time
  350. Nov 21 22:09:26 <tatsujin> do we have someone on the dev team with that experience?
  351. Nov 21 22:09:56 <theremin> It seems to be a bad day for the smaller circle to be at the keyboard.
  352. Nov 21 22:10:03 <theremin> which is admin/dev
  353. Nov 21 22:10:12 <theremin> And I'm just impatient.
  354. Nov 21 22:10:21 <theremin> and they have some other shit they should be doing.
  355. Nov 21 22:10:50 <tatsujin> times like these i wish i would have picked up coding like my grandfather told me :D
  356. Nov 21 22:11:21 <theremin> I mean...I can shoot the shit here, I guess...
  357. Nov 21 22:11:41 <tatsujin> won't hurt
  358. Nov 21 22:12:06 <theremin> Obviously the main question is...do we start from scratch, or try to scrape a site.
  359. Nov 21 22:12:29 <theremin> But I think everyone can see how some sort of full scrape could be a cluster fuck.
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  361. Nov 21 22:13:35 <theremin> I mean, it's going to have to be checked and everything.
  362. Nov 21 22:13:54 <tatsujin> if we started from scratch, how many people would be willing to enter all that data?
  363. Nov 21 22:14:06 <tatsujin> we could do a full scrape and then start verifying
  364. Nov 21 22:14:15 <tatsujin> which is easier than new entry
  365. Nov 21 22:14:15 <theremin> well, here's kind of my in-between idea I thought might work.
  366. Nov 21 22:15:09 <theremin> Also, do we need a FULL scrape? There's all sorts of bunk entries on there of bands that literally have one song on one compilation, there's multiple artists with the same name that have to be sorted, etc.
  367. Nov 21 22:15:29 <theremin> Anyway, my in between idea, that we can start right now:
  368. Nov 21 22:16:20 <theremin> Make a huge list of known artists. I can start a huge list by <dir> or <treeing> my collection, then people can glance at their collections, and add what they have that's not on there.
  369. Nov 21 22:16:57 <theremin> So, Day 1, I assume...we can just paste 5 - 10k artists into the DB, and make 5 - 10k blank artist pages.
  370. Nov 21 22:17:21 <theremin> Then, instead of trying to scrape and sort a giant DB, we can start scraping artists, and babysit things a little easier.
  371. Nov 21 22:17:44 <tatsujin> sounds like a plan
  372. Nov 21 22:18:34 <theremin> I just want to make sure this is a viable option for us to use before we start doing it, but I guess I can start building my list, and uploading.
  373. Nov 21 22:19:15 <tatsujin> from a non dev perspective, which is similar to yours i assume, it does sound reasonable
  374. Nov 21 22:19:26 <tatsujin> but would be great to have a dev weigh in on that
  375. Nov 21 22:20:11 <theremin> I'm gonna start, and hope that some other people can weigh in before I enlist everyone else.
  376. Nov 21 22:21:24 <Soliloquy259> I would honestly prefer to start from scratch
  377. Nov 21 22:22:03 <Soliloquy259> I wuold be willing to enter a shit ton of data. My master's degree is digital librarianship / archives
  378. Nov 21 22:22:14 <tatsujin> i have a bunch of .txt files exported from collages with lists of albums in the format artist name - album [year of release], would that be useful?
  379. Nov 21 22:22:44 <tatsujin> man Soliloquy259, you got the right degree for this!
  380. Nov 21 22:23:27 <theremin> I should go for that degree!
  381. Nov 21 22:23:55 <theremin> I understand what you're saying soliloquy. Do you think this proposal is a good one?
  382. Nov 21 22:24:36 <theremin> beyond scraping artists, we could manually enter year-album, and then try to scrape for catalog numbers.
  383. Nov 21 22:25:01 <theremin> Although, most of the sites had a SHIT TON of redundant catalog number and edition data.
  384. Nov 21 22:25:34 <theremin> this is why I need a digital librarianship degree: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9l8BIwWLnn2-SzFLDTXU9gflkiUa1PcShjFerFJRvM/edit?usp=sharing
  385. Nov 21 22:26:18 <Soliloquy259> theremin scaping for extra data like catalog numbers would be useful.
  386. Nov 21 22:26:54 <Soliloquy259> I just don't trust that every entry in the other websites isn't just plain wrong or riddled with typos that mess up the sorting.
  387. Nov 21 22:27:57 <Soliloquy259> Finding catalog numbers would be difficult unless you had the CD right infront of you or it was a major label and you were legit browsing their catalog. Speaking of I think I have some links of just incremental catalog numbers and their corresponding release for some labels let me look it up again.
  388. Nov 21 22:28:23 <Soliloquy259> We could load all that in from the start becaue it is sorced from the rec. co, it s trustworthy to the highest degree.
  389. Nov 21 22:28:43 <tatsujin> nice
  390. Nov 21 22:29:04 <Soliloquy259> tatsujin, Yeah i know. :D WCD made me change my major. I am still on my bachelors thou learning computer stuff not yet to archives management courses yet.
  391. Nov 21 22:30:06 <tatsujin> i was about to ask if wcd had something to do with your degree choice! :D
  392. Nov 21 22:34:07 <Soliloquy259> and my choice of current job (paid volunteer kinda). I run the music department of a radio station.
  393. Nov 21 22:44:05 <tatsujin> glad to you on board with this
  394. Nov 21 22:45:31 <Soliloquy259> I completely forgot where I saw this huge spreadsheet of catalog numbers once. I will have to keep looking.
  395. Nov 21 22:45:49 <Soliloquy259> It somethign I should have bookmarked but didn't think of a use for it
  396. Nov 21 22:46:18 <tatsujin> yeah, so many things i wish i would have saved somewhere
  397. Nov 21 22:46:40 <Soliloquy259> Guys I just had a crazy thought about inclusion of lyrics? It seems like too much.
  398. Nov 21 22:47:17 <tatsujin> why not
  399. Nov 21 22:47:25 <tatsujin> it's a nice extra
  400. Nov 21 22:47:33 <theremin> well..I think then you're looking at a "SONG" DB.
  401. Nov 21 22:48:10 <theremin> Also, there's a LOT of sites that have song lyrics. And genius even has a page FOR the album. Seems easier to have a field for the genius page that coresponds to that album.
  402. Nov 21 22:52:26 <tatsujin> theremin i am talking to numnumjuice to put some info regarding okapi in the #what-tms topic, is that alright?
  403. Nov 21 22:53:47 <theremin> yes.
  404. Nov 21 22:53:58 <theremin> even though I feel shitty about it not having a site yet
  405. Nov 21 22:54:46 <tatsujin> is there an ETA for the site?
  406. Nov 21 22:55:29 <theremin> we need a sys admin who has setup php before, or a php-dev
  407. Nov 21 22:56:32 <theremin> they keep running into problems
  408. Nov 21 22:56:39 <theremin> It should be up already
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  410. Nov 21 22:57:54 <theremin_away> probably be back in 90 minutes
  411. Nov 21 22:58:33 <tatsujin> see you later
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  416. Nov 22 01:47:53 <theremin> soliloquy, you up?
  417. Nov 22 01:59:49 <theremin> ok...anyone up?
  418. Nov 22 02:05:55 <collut> yep
  419. Nov 22 02:06:16 <tatsujin> yeah
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  421. Nov 22 02:07:59 <theremin> I'm working on these artist lists, if anyone wants to glance at their collections and see what's not on the list.
  422. Nov 22 02:08:07 <theremin> If people are, you know...impatient like me.
  423. Nov 22 02:08:54 <collut> is it the same one on gdocs?
  424. Nov 22 02:09:01 <theremin> nah. hang on.
  425. Nov 22 02:09:47 <theremin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vShes6iRscsXRbHGZVcogYhluyb8WCL7WV4WjoBsjhgwY77FLVwHAfVyYhDq8BulnvK1_ifg851d9XS/pubhtml
  426. Nov 22 02:09:54 <theremin> 490 artists that begin with a
  427. Nov 22 02:10:24 <collut> wew
  428. Nov 22 02:10:37 <collut> how many artists in total though?
  429. Nov 22 02:10:44 <tatsujin> can't wrap one's head around how big it was
  430. Nov 22 02:10:48 <theremin> so...maybe we'll end up piecing together more than 10k.
  431. Nov 22 02:11:06 <theremin> I'm going letter by letter, outputting just artists in my collection
  432. Nov 22 02:11:19 <theremin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR1vD8cvSkUqPUF58seDXAmWOlubX9fUsW2IhdSIZ9rXVlg2JvGfnEvJK7-MwBfcnuvKf0g0gHgpOIw/pubhtml
  433. Nov 22 02:11:23 <theremin> 752 - B's.
  434. Nov 22 02:11:32 <theremin> it takes me like 5 minutes or so here.
  435. Nov 22 02:12:10 <tatsujin> i only have access to around 3000 torrents from what right now
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  437. Nov 22 02:12:58 <tatsujin> on my seedbox. if there is some way to get the artists though i'd be glad to get them
  438. Nov 22 02:13:23 <theremin> doesn't matter if they're from what.
  439. Nov 22 02:15:03 <tatsujin> well, it's the only music files i have access to right now. but at home i have TBs of stuff
  440. Nov 22 02:15:40 <tatsujin> i try to export the artist names from the collage txt files i got
  441. Nov 22 02:31:42 <hfatih> what do you guys think about gazelle's api
  442. Nov 22 02:31:58 <hfatih> i used it in whatandroid app and it seemed to have many functions built in
  443. Nov 22 02:33:30 <tatsujin> it seems whatmanager could do a lot with it
  444. Nov 22 02:34:54 <hfatih> here is an overview of it
  445. Nov 22 02:34:54 <hfatih> http://gwindow.github.io/WhatAPI/
  446. Nov 22 02:35:21 <hfatih> this is the java wrapper but it is not much different from ajax api
  447. Nov 22 02:35:31 <theremin> C: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTptKRs7Yl6YWaYzPziF19L1bw96_vnug8VBAy_1M84sYg4GShKroPdO6Skd4Qo8jt-O6fF5sdibWzK/pubhtml
  448. Nov 22 02:35:31 <hfatih> maybe a bit outdated
  449. Nov 22 02:35:34 <theremin> 576
  450. Nov 22 02:37:08 <collut> theremin: could you export these in CSV format?
  451. Nov 22 02:37:36 <theremin> yes.
  452. Nov 22 02:37:45 <theremin> let me finish D, do all 4, and then go to bed
  453. Nov 22 02:37:52 <collut> sure
  454. Nov 22 02:38:02 <collut> no rush
  455. Nov 22 02:38:10 <theremin> I really didn't realize how many artists I had
  456. Nov 22 02:38:14 <collut> I'm actually going to go to bed right now lol
  457. Nov 22 02:38:21 <collut> Yeah you have quite a few
  458. Nov 22 02:38:21 <theremin> they might start going down in quantity.
  459. Nov 22 02:38:30 <theremin> well, it's been 20 years of mp3s.
  460. Nov 22 02:38:38 <collut> phew
  461. Nov 22 02:38:40 <theremin> I entered the scene in 97
  462. Nov 22 02:38:45 <theremin> when I first got DSL
  463. Nov 22 02:39:02 <theremin> And then I owned a record store, and ripped almost everything that came through the store.
  464. Nov 22 02:39:13 <theremin> Although I have suffered some tough hard drive crashes
  465. Nov 22 02:39:13 <collut> hahahahahahahahaha
  466. Nov 22 02:39:57 <collut> I'm curious, how many TBs does it take right now?
  467. Nov 22 02:39:59 <hfatih> i fckin knew those people who rip crazy amounts were some kind of store owners
  468. Nov 22 02:40:36 <collut> hfatih: or thrift shop workers or library employees lol
  469. Nov 22 02:40:37 <theremin> it's over 4TB. It's a little split up right now, and I have some redundant HDDs, cause I'm cheap
  470. Nov 22 02:41:06 <collut> cheap is good, free is better
  471. Nov 22 02:41:22 <theremin> I also know this. I have #,A,B,C,D and W,X,Y,Z perfectly organized from what's DB.
  472. Nov 22 02:41:35 <theremin> and what's left (E - v) is 28k folders.
  473. Nov 22 02:42:00 <theremin> I should get Soliliquy in here to organize my files.
  474. Nov 22 02:42:39 <collut> why? does she have a script or something?
  475. Nov 22 02:42:59 <theremin> cause he said he's getting his degree in digital librarianism, or something
  476. Nov 22 02:43:17 <collut> wow, interesting
  477. Nov 22 02:44:05 <theremin> so, that other text file I showed you. It matches up exactly to what.cd, year of release and album type match up 99% perfectly.
  478. Nov 22 02:44:44 <tatsujin> sweet
  479. Nov 22 02:44:57 <collut> that's awesome
  480. Nov 22 02:45:52 <collut> Idk how you manage that with a library that big, I've barely got a few hundred gb's of music here and I have like 3 duplicates for one artist and whatnot
  481. Nov 22 02:46:09 <theremin> D - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSUggsx6PAIN2-iV6iZFPvOXXlFxhNLtt-JeMOPfhwwR2mQyEsafN6Z0NTsUf8f4-tQdrjB5QIfFzbg/pubhtml
  482. Nov 22 02:46:25 <collut> They all have his name spelled differently in meta tags and I haven't bothered to fix it yet
  483. Nov 22 02:46:36 <collut> anyway guys, I gotta go sleep now, I got like 3 hours of sleep last night and sleeplessness is beginning to show its symptoms
  484. Nov 22 02:46:48 <tatsujin> have a good rest
  485. Nov 22 02:46:52 <theremin> Once upon a time, my project was making the folders great and fixing the metatags.
  486. Nov 22 02:46:58 <collut> thanks, tatsujin
  487. Nov 22 02:47:01 <theremin> Now I'm just trying to get the folders titled correctly.
  488. Nov 22 02:47:09 <theremin> you want this csv?
  489. Nov 22 02:47:40 <collut> when you have time, yes, CSV would be much easier for me to mess with
  490. Nov 22 02:47:53 <theremin> they'll be up in a second
  491. Nov 22 02:48:04 <collut> I'll check them in the morning
  492. Nov 22 02:48:07 <collut> good night!
  493. Nov 22 02:48:10 * collut is now known as collut-away
  494. Nov 22 02:48:14 <theremin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vShes6iRscsXRbHGZVcogYhluyb8WCL7WV4WjoBsjhgwY77FLVwHAfVyYhDq8BulnvK1_ifg851d9XS/pub?output=csv
  495. Nov 22 02:48:25 <theremin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSUggsx6PAIN2-iV6iZFPvOXXlFxhNLtt-JeMOPfhwwR2mQyEsafN6Z0NTsUf8f4-tQdrjB5QIfFzbg/pub?output=csv
  496. Nov 22 02:48:48 <theremin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR1vD8cvSkUqPUF58seDXAmWOlubX9fUsW2IhdSIZ9rXVlg2JvGfnEvJK7-MwBfcnuvKf0g0gHgpOIw/pub?output=csv
  497. Nov 22 02:49:03 <theremin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTptKRs7Yl6YWaYzPziF19L1bw96_vnug8VBAy_1M84sYg4GShKroPdO6Skd4Qo8jt-O6fF5sdibWzK/pub?output=csv
  498. Nov 22 02:49:10 <theremin> awesome. I feel like I accomplished something today
  499. Nov 22 02:51:04 <tatsujin> you did!
  500. Nov 22 02:56:20 <theremin> who is Mr. Cat?
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  506. Nov 22 07:13:12 <Mechazawa> heyo
  507. Nov 22 07:13:14 <Mechazawa> any news?
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  512. Nov 22 08:58:12 <Soliloquy> Hey I remebered my nickserv password, woohoo
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  514. Nov 22 09:05:29 <hfatih> apparently setting up my gazelle vm will take more than one day
  515. Nov 22 09:05:44 <Soliloquy> :( okay
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  530. Nov 22 10:59:00 * Topic for #legazelle is: Info: http://bit.ly/2fbsa6H Operation Legazelle: ideas for a legal music metadata repository || https://pad.okfn.org/p/legazelle-ideas || password: solongthankswhatcd
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  542. Nov 22 12:00:36 <theremin> anyone here?
  543. Nov 22 12:00:44 <collut> hey
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  546. Nov 22 12:07:56 <brethil> 'lo
  547. Nov 22 12:09:22 <theremin> hi ho.
  548. Nov 22 12:09:33 <theremin> a lot of the same people here, but this is a little insidery.
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  603. Nov 22 15:37:46 <theremin> Does everyone here know what's going on with whatmanager?
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  643.  
  644. Nov 22 22:21:45 * Now talking on #legazelle
  645. Nov 22 22:21:45 * Topic for #legazelle is: Info: http://bit.ly/2fbsa6H Operation Legazelle: ideas for a legal music metadata repository || https://pad.okfn.org/p/legazelle-ideas || password: solongthankswhatcd
  646. Nov 22 22:21:45 * Topic for #legazelle set by shardz (Sat Nov 19 15:16:52 2016)
  647. Nov 22 22:21:46 -NickServ- Your nickname is now being changed to Guest25562
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  649. Nov 22 22:21:53 <Guest25562> what is the Pw for tms
  650. Nov 22 22:21:57 <Guest25562> it changed again
  651. Nov 22 22:22:52 * You are now known as Soliloquy259
  652. Nov 22 22:23:17 <theremin> solongwhat.
  653. Nov 22 22:23:26 <theremin> register your nick?
  654. Nov 22 22:23:35 <Soliloquy259> it is giving me the error
  655. Nov 22 22:23:44 <Soliloquy259> errornues nickname
  656. Nov 22 22:24:04 <Soliloquy259> Erroneous
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  662. Nov 23 12:46:35 * Topic for #legazelle is: Info: http://bit.ly/2fbsa6H Operation Legazelle: ideas for a legal music metadata repository || https://pad.okfn.org/p/legazelle-ideas || password: solongthankswhatcd
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  680. Nov 23 13:55:38 <theremin> Would anyone here like to work on the forum for okapi?
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  687. Nov 23 14:56:30 <Soliloquy> theremin, I wouldn't mind moderating a forum later
  688. Nov 23 14:57:21 <theremin> I was looking for someone to lay it out, but I guess I'll just dig in myself.
  689. Nov 23 14:57:48 <theremin> I think it's going to be admin/dev/TM+ for a while, so hopefully won't need much moderating.
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  691. Nov 23 15:20:03 <theremin> http://imgur.com/a/8txpp
  692. Nov 23 15:24:28 <Soliloquy> I GTG to work again ttyl
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  748. Nov 23 20:55:42 * theremin is now known as theremin_away
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  755. Nov 23 22:35:23 * theremin_away is now known as theremin
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  758. Nov 24 00:30:39 * theremin removes channel keyword
  759. Nov 24 00:30:39 * theremin sets channel keyword to okapi
  760. Nov 24 00:31:13 * PowerInTheVerse_ (~allen@C42C8DAA.1F42CE56.48A3E07F.IP) has joined
  761. Nov 24 00:32:13 <theremin> PW now okapi
  762. Nov 24 00:32:21 <theremin> so I can remember it
  763. Nov 24 00:34:35 <collut-away> ?
  764. Nov 24 00:34:43 * collut-away is now known as collut
  765. Nov 24 00:36:32 <theremin> ?
  766. Nov 24 00:36:45 <theremin> people kept asking the pw here, and I kept forgetting which it was.
  767. Nov 24 00:36:54 <collut> Oh okay lol
  768. Nov 24 00:36:55 <PowerInTheVerse_> theremin: the bit.ly link no longer works because I disabled url monikers on what.chat. working URL for that topic is now: https://what.chat/forum/index.php?page=topicview&id=12
  769. Nov 24 00:38:03 * theremin has changed the topic to: Legazelle is dead. Long live okapi
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  783. Nov 24 18:35:53 * theremin_gobble is now known as theremin
  784. Nov 24 18:39:54 * whovian9369 (~Whovian93@4F045776.DB030F60.DB709A6E.IP) has left (Leaving)
  785. Nov 24 18:49:05 * Takaji is now known as Takaji_afk
  786. Nov 24 20:19:01 * transcendenz has quit (Connection reset by peer)
  787. Nov 24 20:26:26 * transcendenz (~transcend@P2PNET-A19BA93E.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) has joined
  788. Nov 24 21:17:38 * Disconnected ()
  789. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 24 21:17:38 2016
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