[2:47 PM] Celirra: Hey, hope the move is going well and such.
[2:47 PM] Celirra: Touch base when you have time, re: TWG
[4:07 PM] thesunfan: i now have time, a little bit at least
[4:07 PM] Celirra: I'll try to keep it quick then
[4:07 PM] Celirra: idk if you're wolf or town obviously
[4:07 PM] Celirra: but I think to an extent cooperation in early game this game is more important than town reading given the volatility of town reads early on
[4:07 PM] Celirra: and I think a strong early foundation is really important this game
[4:08 PM] Celirra: and I think you're someone I can cooperate with well
[4:08 PM] Celirra: I hope we can work together somewhat
[4:08 PM] Celirra: while not dire on d0 like now, I think come d1 having a solid voting block is important for figuring out wolves
[4:08 PM] Celirra: especially given the lack of vote reveals and such
[4:09 PM] Celirra: In the worst case scenario if my understanding is correct, we will be down to 13 people total next day phase, and up to 4 wolves (post #3 identifies the wolfcount, pinpointed by haku, part of why I think haku is towny is because he's really devoting a lot to figuring shit out)
[4:10 PM] Celirra: I have a bit of stuff further but I can devulge that later or tomorrow, it's more in depth
[4:10 PM] thesunfan: ok
[4:11 PM] thesunfan: I think voting blocks would be good since wolves will probably be doing that
[4:11 PM] thesunfan: tbh I don't particularly care too much about reads this game I just wanna play
[4:11 PM] thesunfan: after being away from the internet for so long
[4:11 PM] thesunfan: that's how I feel right now at least
[4:11 PM] thesunfan: the reward challenge is STUPID though imo
[4:11 PM] thesunfan: I want PUZZLES and RIDDLES not ffr repackaged
[4:11 PM] thesunfan: I think we can cooperate well
[4:11 PM] thesunfan: though I would be pretty terrible at working with coach I think I can make an exception here
[4:12 PM] Celirra: I did somewhat work out that if we're down to 13 next phase
[4:12 PM] Celirra: Having a group of 8 would be ideal, and actually permits a wolf to slip in if needed, so we can see if things are going the way they should
[4:13 PM] Celirra: 8 between both tribes of course
[4:13 PM] Celirra: I have a bit of a list of who I think would be good to work with for what it's worth
[4:13 PM] Celirra: the number itself I keep flipping on though, so we'll see about that
[4:13 PM] thesunfan: wolves will slip in
[4:13 PM] thesunfan: its the nature of the game
[4:13 PM] thesunfan: what's the list look like so far?
[4:13 PM] Celirra: if we have 8 I think we can allow for 1 wolf
[4:13 PM] Celirra: with 9 we can allow for 2
[4:13 PM] Celirra: uhh
[4:13 PM] Celirra: I dont wanna divulge too much
[4:13 PM] Celirra: but it's like a 3 tier thing
[4:14 PM] Celirra: definitely can work with, fillers to choose from, people I dont really trust enough
[4:14 PM] Celirra: the dont trust enough is neee (haku doesn't really trust, and some others I gather) and flashflash (I don't think he's enough of a cooperator)
[4:14 PM] thesunfan: ye I didn't like neee's entrance
[4:15 PM] Celirra: jrod is a bit low on my list too admittedly
[4:15 PM] thesunfan: I'm trying not to care about reads but I think he lacks a certain pizzaz that he normally holds
[4:15 PM] Celirra: but that's just a me thing I feel
[4:15 PM] Celirra: If you read the tribe chat there was something that kinda... well made me feel uneasy
[4:15 PM] thesunfan: you're right about flashflash tho
[4:15 PM] Celirra: When haku found the # of wolves
[4:15 PM] thesunfan: he's a bomb
[4:15 PM] Celirra: he thought it was common knowledge from signups
[4:15 PM] Celirra: which wasnt there at all
[4:15 PM] Celirra: its kinda like uh...
[4:16 PM] Celirra: something about someone not remembering a source of info like that is a bit fishy
[4:16 PM] Celirra: and wanting to control the vigi, while it would be fine, kinda makes it feel like he's going for more big moves, which while not scummy isn't really cooperative I'd say
[4:19 PM] thesunfan: the last thing is 100% just a thing jrodd would do
[4:19 PM] thesunfan: but i'll look for the first thing
[4:19 PM] thesunfan: in a min
[4:33 PM] Celirra: I don't think it's incriminating
[4:33 PM] Celirra: More something to keep in mind as backup evidence
[4:33 PM] thesunfan: I get what you're saying, its just something I would expect from him
[4:34 PM] thesunfan: I don't even really think he's trying to control anything
[4:34 PM] Celirra: I wouldnt be surprised if it was mostly comedic honestly
[4:34 PM] Celirra: like that was my initial takeaway
[4:34 PM] Celirra: but I find I do that too often
[4:36 PM] thesunfan: you were right this time imo
[4:37 PM] Celirra: I've talked to most of the key people I really wanted to touch base with sooner than later
[4:37 PM] Celirra: The only one I haven't yet is Benguin
[4:37 PM] Celirra: I mostly wanna work with him cause... well honestly he seems like the epitome of someone who'd be happy to work together should he be town
[4:39 PM] Celirra: I'm curious if you'd agree with that kind of sentiment
[4:40 PM] thesunfan: I don't quite understand what you're saying
[4:40 PM] thesunfan: sry
[4:40 PM] thesunfan: why would he be good to work with?
[4:40 PM] Celirra: now I've never really played with him before
[4:41 PM] Celirra: so it is hard to say
[4:41 PM] Celirra: but I feel like based on my earlier... well philosophy
[2:18 PM] thesunfan: Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:16 PM
only thing that's far above my head has been the hidden immunity idol
I had a few theories, but everything seems wrong so far
meh someone else will probably get that
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:17 PM
I did very little about that
I dunno if I wanna help you out saying what I did or not yet
but I didn't expect it to turn up anything
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:18 PM
I tried editing the pictures in hope to find hidden text
including pics in signups + avatars etc.
even silly stuff
doesn't feel like it's a question with an answer to me
because it says "where is the idol?"
could be related to the seasons
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:20 PM
how so?
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:20 PM
I mean it like "this is something I didn't try to explore"
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:21 PM
I can probably help if that's the thing
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:21 PM
http://survivor.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Immunity_Idol
Survivor Wiki
Hidden Immunity Idol
The Hidden Immunity Idol (also known as the "Hidden Idol" or simply as "the idol") is a pocket-sized talisman, and is widely believed to be the most groundbreaking twist ever to be created on...

thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:21 PM
the first jeff pic is from 26
oh dog
I know a whole heck of a lot about survivor
I don't need a page telling me what the idol is
I could come pretty close to naming every contest
contestant*
as well as the boot order of all the seasons
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:22 PM
I mean, could it be as simple as "The Hidden Idol is in Exile Island" ?
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:23 PM
there doesn't seem to be exile island in this game
and I know roundbox has to have cooked up something elaborate here
there's no way its as simple as that hint
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:24 PM
op has a dog in the pic + newfoundland. Clearly, that means the answer is "Labrador".
it's a place in newfoundland
Survivor Wiki
Hidden Immunity Idol
The Hidden Immunity Idol (also known as the "Hidden Idol" or simply as "the idol") is a pocket-sized talisman, and is widely believed to be the most groundbreaking twist ever to be created on...

[2:18 PM] thesunfan: thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:24 PM
how does the viking hat factor in?
honestly, you might have something with the season #s btw
the pic of probst on the rock is from 26 iirc
dunno the next one
but the one after that is 28
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:25 PM
googled viking + newfoundland
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:25 PM
so if that's him on the beach of 27, then that seems on purpose
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:25 PM
first thing that popped was "potential viking site found in newfoundland"
lol
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:25 PM
oh
I forgot under the spoilers
its probably nothing then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFCwsG6LbbY
YouTube
CBS
Survivor: Caramoan - The Open
YouTube
CBS
Survivor: Caramoan - The Open


[2:19 PM] thesunfan: this vid is pretty cool
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:27 PM
same pic as in-game too
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:27 PM
shows the lengths the host goes for the show
exaclty
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:28 PM
I got owned because I'm Canadian
rip
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:28 PM
huh?
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:28 PM
can't view
lol
would need like a VPN
meh
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:29 PM
oh
rip
the one under the first spoiler is also probably from 26
the scenery looks caramoan-ish
its been a looooooooooong time since I've seen that season though
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:30 PM
why do you think the season is meaningful here ?
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:30 PM
they all appear to be 26 or 28
i dunno if its on purpose or what
damn
the one of him on a beach appears to be from the most recent one, 35
oh well
I guess its nothing then
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:35 PM
I salute team sunfan
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:35 PM
o7
i'm probably going to enjoy driving myself crazy about the idol
that's the part that I was looking forward to the most
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:42 PM
the viking site in newfoundland is called L'Anse aux Meadows
in case you're curious
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:42 PM
I doubt its helpful
but I'll keep that in mind
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:43 PM
newfoundland dogs also looks like the puppy in op
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:43 PM
I know there was a viking coin found in the new world
that predates columbus
that has gotten very little press
I think roundbox said pregame that everything we need might be in the OP
or in the signups
so I think that that is promising
honestly, I hope it doesn't get found right away
that would spoil it imo
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:47 PM
seems like there's more to it
w/e
I guess I'm just going to let you do whatever you want for now and focus elsewhere
you didn't feel odd to me or anything
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:50 PM
im thinking about the paint thingy
i don't think im going to try for the rhythm game
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:50 PM
the rhythm game is kinda dumb tbh
paint should be winnable if you're kinda inspired
thesunfan - Yesterday at 10:51 PM
I have an idea
but idk how well survivor memes will go over
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 10:52 PM
I just tried to do what a bunch of other players in our tribe probably did
integrate some ITG Cabinet with the ITG tribe player list in some survivor setting
and just meme around that
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: Hakulyte - Yesterday at 11:02 PM
oh yeah, is there something relevant about what Vendetta said at the start of the game ?
or just some inside joke ?
thesunfan - Yesterday at 11:04 PM
in season 2, a player was suspected of having smuggled beef jerky into the game
that's what he's referncing
I was going to make a joke about looking at the hem of my clothing, but ended up not doing it
which is alomst certainly where the player smuggled the beef jerky in by
it was a skill that he was taught in the military
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 11:05 PM
nice
thesunfan - Yesterday at 11:05 PM
so he's just referencing a famous survivor moment
the person accused was a spokesperson for a beef jerky company for a little while after
which is neato
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: Hakulyte - Yesterday at 11:07 PM
I feel like I will end up watching Survivor somewhere after this game
didn't see a single season
or even one episode
thesunfan - Yesterday at 11:08 PM
i remember you flew through path of radiance when I had that as a game theme
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 11:09 PM
yeah, it was a little counter intuitive to power level 5-6 characters instead of everyone
both ways are possible, but having a high level character made this easier
thesunfan - Yesterday at 11:10 PM
the game is easy
and it'll let you do that
ike is ridiculous
you can play through the game's highest difficulty without ever getting anyone else experience
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 11:11 PM
well, there's people who solo the game with ike so, yeah..
mostly dodging and counter attacking like twice
last boss was tricky tho
most of my army couldn't even hurt it
thesunfan - Yesterday at 11:12 PM
yeah
ike and whatever dragon you got are the only people that should be able to damage him
and elincia maybe?
i forget
but lmao elincia
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 11:13 PM
yeah
first playthrough on hard, lose nearly everyone except ike, but at the end
facepalm
I feel like the other fire emblems force you to do other things
thesunfan - Yesterday at 11:15 PM
for the most part yeah
Hakulyte - Yesterday at 11:35 PM
have you talked to flashflash ?
I tried talking to him in both discord and even skype and nothing.
thesunfan - Yesterday at 11:42 PM
nope
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: that's all
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: nothing about me starting an alliance
[2:21 PM] Celirra: thanks I appreciate that
[2:23 PM] thesunfan: sorry its not formatted the best
[2:25 PM] Celirra: haku also denies ever telling soundwave
[2:25 PM] Celirra: I feel unsure suddenly
[2:26 PM] thesunfan: the fuck
[2:26 PM] Celirra: [2:25 PM] Gamut: hmmm
[2:25 PM] Gamut: it was weird how he came out with it too
[2:26 PM] Gamut: like he was pushy about it
[2:26 PM] Gamut: and ignoring what else was going on in the tribe iirc
[2:26 PM] Celirra: soundwave and tokzic are t/w
[2:26 PM] Celirra: for the record
[2:27 PM] Celirra: though
[2:27 PM] Celirra: tokzic wants flashflash to go over soundwave
[2:27 PM] Celirra: and in a way kinda defended keeping soundwave around
[2:27 PM] Celirra: being against a "eliminate the bad egg" strat
[2:33 PM] thesunfan: the fuck
[2:33 PM] Celirra: argument could be made for w/w
[2:33 PM] Celirra: I can't see them being t/t
[2:33 PM] Celirra: unless it's soundwave throwing again
[2:33 PM] Celirra: like he's done in live and that forum game once too
[2:35 PM] Celirra: any thoughts?
[2:37 PM] thesunfan: one sec sry
[2:37 PM] thesunfan: might be a minute
[2:37 PM] thesunfan: quick thought is that its going to be weird no matter how you look at it
[2:48 PM] Celirra: tokzic is still kinda defending soundwave
[2:49 PM] Celirra: and deflecting to flashflash when flashflash isn't even mentioned
[3:07 PM] thesunfan: ok
[3:07 PM] thesunfan: i'd like to see what's going on between you two
[3:07 PM] thesunfan: it sounds like something serious was found here
[3:07 PM] Celirra: me and tokzic?
[3:08 PM] Celirra: gimme some general thoughts first if you dont mind
[3:08 PM] Celirra: I've given you the bulk of it
[3:08 PM] Celirra: save for some inconsequential details
[3:08 PM] thesunfan: yeah ok
[3:08 PM] Celirra: (also cant copy paste on mobile really, gotta walk to class)
[3:08 PM] thesunfan: i don't know what the fuck is going on here
[3:08 PM] thesunfan: gotcha
[3:08 PM] thesunfan: idk why people would claim to have a discussion when they've never spoken
[3:08 PM] thesunfan: tokzic sometimes has a one-track mind
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: so I'd know with more certainty what is going on if I actually see the logs
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: I know you look for partnerships
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: and if there is something here or not
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: I think I could tell pretty quickly looking at the logs
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: I think ck feels alright to me
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: I think dbp feels bad to me
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: he pinged me asking me if I was up to anything
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: but didn't seem interested in why
[3:09 PM] thesunfan: I think jrodd feels better so far
[3:10 PM] thesunfan: than he did initially
[3:12 PM] thesunfan: feels like he actually gives a damn about solving the game
[3:16 PM] Celirra: I'd like to see the jrodd stuff if you don't mind
[3:17 PM] Celirra: I shared the tokzic stuff with him and he didn't really care at all
[3:17 PM] Celirra: Which may be due to him not putting stock in me
[3:17 PM] Celirra: Which is fair
[3:17 PM] thesunfan: its in the tribe
[3:17 PM] thesunfan: when he said something sarcastic like "I didn't know that's what this game was about" when I didn't give him reads
[3:17 PM] thesunfan: it felt like something he would say as villa
[3:18 PM] Celirra: So meta read kinda
[3:18 PM] Celirra: Fair
[3:26 PM] thesunfan: that was a damn good pic
[3:26 PM] thesunfan: btw
[3:27 PM] Celirra: I was lucky that you ended up being on my tribe
[3:28 PM] Celirra: I submitted it in like the first hour when our tribe had like 4 people
[3:28 PM] thesunfan: it would make sense for me to be hiding outside if I wasn't on the tribe
[3:28 PM] Celirra: This is true
[3:29 PM] Celirra: how much do you want with tokzic
[3:30 PM] Celirra: only pertaining to the soundwave stuff or
[3:30 PM] thesunfan: the stuff you think is interesting
[3:30 PM] thesunfan: where he deflected in your opinion
[3:32 PM] Celirra: [2:40 PM] Gamut: hmmmmmmm
[2:41 PM] Gamut: haku making shit up to see reactions
[2:41 PM] Gamut: classic haku
[2:41 PM] Gamut: the thing is
[2:42 PM] Gamut: i don't really think soundwave's reaction was alignment indicative
[2:43 PM] Gamut: because i give it about equal odds that townwave and soundwolf would be excited to share that gossip
[2:44 PM] Celirra: but the thing is
[2:44 PM] Celirra: the gossip seems false
[2:45 PM] Gamut: right but
[2:45 PM] Gamut: did soundwave make it up or did haku
[2:45 PM] Celirra: I trust haku over soundwave
[2:45 PM] Celirra: I think soundwave made up the whole thing
[2:45 PM] Celirra: unless it happened in wolfchat and they're w/w
[2:45 PM] Gamut: that feels really pointless
[2:48 PM] Gamut: i just decided to ask haku lmao
[2:48 PM] Gamut: i definitely trust haku over soundwave but
[2:48 PM] Gamut: i don't know if i'm REALLY wolfreading soundwave yet
[2:48 PM] Gamut: flashflash feels like he's pushing in weird places and knights doesn't like him
[2:48 PM] Gamut: soundwave feels too obvious
[2:49 PM] Gamut: well, that's not really what i mean
[2:49 PM] Celirra: what does flashflash have to do with anything?
[2:49 PM] Gamut: running with your whole cutting-a-bad-egg plan
[2:50 PM] Gamut: soundwave feels too much like a ton of people want him dead
[2:51 PM] Celirra: who else?
[2:52 PM] Gamut: who else what
[2:52 PM] Gamut: wants him dead?
[2:52 PM] Celirra: wants him dead
[2:52 PM] Celirra: sorry kinda multitasking
[2:52 PM] Gamut: charu has been saying he wants to vote soundwave all phase in tribechat
[2:53 PM] Gamut: wv sussed him
[2:53 PM] Gamut: said he seems paranoid
[2:54 PM] Gamut: thought it was more than that but
[2:54 PM] Gamut: less than i remember
[2:57 PM] Gamut: ughhhhhhhhhh i barely have any time to play and the only one replying to anything is haku
[2:57 PM] Gamut: besides you that is
[3:32 PM] Celirra: thats the last bit
[3:32 PM] Celirra: actually I kinda gave that outside of context
[3:33 PM] Celirra: I kept getting the max character limit and got tilted
[3:33 PM] Celirra: [2:15 PM] Gamut: do you think it's more valuable getting rid of a bad egg than it is to wolf hunt this phase
[2:15 PM] Gamut: i had concerns about soundwave but the thing about him is
[2:15 PM] Gamut: i always scumread him
[2:15 PM] Gamut: every time
[2:15 PM] Celirra: yes
[2:16 PM] Celirra: it is more valuable
[2:16 PM] Celirra: 110%
[2:16 PM] Celirra: thats why my vote is either flashflash or soundwave
[2:16 PM] Celirra: a wolf is unlikely right now
[2:16 PM] Celirra: a bad egg can be guaranteed
[2:17 PM] Gamut: the thing i don't like about the d0 bad egg strat
[2:17 PM] Gamut: in general
[2:17 PM] Gamut: is that if you go for a wolf, even if you miss
[2:17 PM] Gamut: you still get voting patterns out of the deal
[2:18 PM] Celirra: you dont necessarily in this game though
[2:18 PM] Gamut: whereas with bad egg strat, you sometimes have nothing to show for the phase
[2:18 PM] Celirra: cause hidden votes
[2:18 PM] Gamut: hidden votes are not
[2:18 PM] Gamut: that big a deal
[2:18 PM] Celirra: for voting patterns, kinda
[2:18 PM] Gamut: this was what i didn't like about j-rodd the most
[2:18 PM] Gamut: was that he was extremely dramatic about hidden votes
[2:18 PM] Gamut: when you think about it
[2:18 PM] Gamut: hidden votes don't actually change very much
[3:34 PM] Celirra: 2:18 PM] Celirra: I kinda didnt like that jrodd was dramatic about wolf sided in general
[2:19 PM] Celirra: hidden votes change strategy slightly but they dont doom the game
[2:19 PM] Celirra: if you work it right
[2:19 PM] Gamut: town will always admit who their vote was
[2:19 PM] Gamut: (probably)
[2:19 PM] Gamut: which only leaves two votes wiggle room max for wolves to hide a wagon
[2:19 PM] Gamut: and that is EXTREMELY hard to do over multiple phases without it being glaring
[2:19 PM] Gamut: because they don't get to pick which two votes
[2:20 PM] Gamut: they can lie about
[2:20 PM] Celirra: so the way I look at it
[2:20 PM] Celirra: (for the record I actually agree)
[2:20 PM] Gamut: they can only steal dead people's votes
[2:20 PM] Celirra: bad eggs will always be bad eggs
[2:20 PM] Celirra: and likely wont get wolfed
[2:20 PM] Celirra: but they likely will be scumread
[2:20 PM] Celirra: eg. I dont think I can shake soundwave as wolf
[2:20 PM] Celirra: so
[2:20 PM] Celirra: in a way
[2:20 PM] Celirra: get rid of the bad egg with potential to be a wolf early
[2:20 PM] Celirra: esp if I'll be gunning for him all game likely
[2:21 PM] Gamut: what has soundwave done to throw games specifically
[2:21 PM] Celirra: I'm trying to remember specifics
[2:22 PM] Celirra: I may have somewhat overexaggerated my tone to you
[2:22 PM] Celirra: I feel like a lot of it did revolve around just giving up
[2:22 PM] Celirra: or being a town that deliberately did wolfy shit etc
[2:22 PM] Celirra: uh
[2:22 PM] Celirra: you ever play with lurker?
[2:22 PM] Celirra: reminded me of a lurker almost but a bit less dramatic
[2:22 PM] Gamut: oh yes
[2:23 PM] Gamut: tbh
[2:23 PM] Gamut: i'd prefer to see flashflash go down
[2:23 PM] Gamut: over soundwave
[2:23 PM] Celirra: I dont mind that either
[2:23 PM] Gamut: at this second
[3:34 PM] Celirra: that was a bit earlier
[3:34 PM] Celirra: I feel like there was another case of deflecting too
[3:37 PM] thesunfan: yeah ok I see what you're saying
[3:38 PM] thesunfan: but I think that kind of looks better for him than worse
[3:38 PM] thesunfan: if that makes sense
[3:38 PM] thesunfan: it feels like he was just saying what he was thinking
[3:38 PM] thesunfan: even though the connection is not readily apparent
[3:38 PM] thesunfan: if he was deflecting I don't think he would've brought up soundwave as much as he did later
[3:38 PM] thesunfan: tbh that makes me feel a bit better about tokzic
[3:39 PM] Celirra: I'm torn on tokzic but if nothing else I have a ton of info
[3:39 PM] Celirra: actually I have a lot of info on a lot of people
[3:39 PM] Celirra: at least people relevant
[3:39 PM] Celirra: I dont want tokzic or charu or star to leave from their tribe
[3:39 PM] Celirra: I'm gonna defend those 3 particularly
[3:40 PM] thesunfan: why?
[3:41 PM] Celirra: tokzic cause I have good info
[3:41 PM] Celirra: Charu I think is towny in our 1 on 1's, I think we trust each other
[3:41 PM] Celirra: Star for same reason, arguably to a higher degree
[3:41 PM] Celirra: the rest I haven't spoken to and kinda don't care much, but I have obvious preference
[5:51 PM] Celirra: talked to shado on voice for a solid hour
[5:51 PM] Celirra: and
[5:52 PM] thesunfan: oh, cool
[5:52 PM] Celirra: well I think I'm glad he got the shot
[5:52 PM] thesunfan: that's a neat idea
[5:52 PM] thesunfan: aite, that's slightly relieving
[5:52 PM] Celirra: His mentality is the standard ideal town of
[5:52 PM] Celirra: shooting the second wagon
[5:52 PM] Celirra: and not just hero'ing it
[5:53 PM] Celirra: despite that he has a personal focus between flashflash and tokzic
[5:53 PM] Celirra: based on a pressure/piggybacking focused on charu
[5:53 PM] Celirra: he is confident between ffa, tokzic and charu there is a wolf
[5:53 PM] Celirra: anyways that's probably as much as I can say, a lot of it was more just ease of mind stuff
[5:53 PM] Celirra: I dont think you have reason to worry either
[5:54 PM] Celirra: We'll probably be talking more later, after he's done work, if there's any more you want to know
[5:55 PM] thesunfan: i'd wanna hop in voice if I could
[5:55 PM] thesunfan: if voice chats are going on
[5:55 PM] Celirra: Ideally I'd wanna do it in the tribe vc anyways
[5:55 PM] thesunfan: this is a good idea
[5:55 PM] Celirra: also he's against the idea of allainces
[5:55 PM] thesunfan: that I had forgotten about
[5:56 PM] thesunfan: everyone ought to be
[5:56 PM] thesunfan: imo
[5:56 PM] Celirra: you think so?
[5:56 PM] thesunfan: I hate to be season one here
[5:56 PM] thesunfan: but they don't work for this game where your win con isn't survive to the end
[5:56 PM] Celirra: more season 2 but I get your idea
[5:56 PM] thesunfan: but to eliminate the other faction
[5:56 PM] thesunfan: pagong is what I was thinking, I guess
[5:56 PM] Celirra: I mean season 2 everyone was afraid of backlash for allainces
[5:56 PM] Celirra: but I digress
[5:56 PM] Celirra: you are right
[5:57 PM] thesunfan: jerri says hi
[5:57 PM] thesunfan: uhhh
[5:57 PM] thesunfan: mitchell says hi
[5:57 PM] thesunfan: remember him?
[5:57 PM] thesunfan: me either
[5:57 PM] Celirra: who
[5:57 PM] thesunfan: 7 ft boi
[5:57 PM] Celirra: oh right
[5:57 PM] thesunfan: I love how the tallest contestant is a midwestern musician
[5:58 PM] thesunfan: taller than scot pollard, cliff robinson and gary hogeboom
[6:03 PM] thesunfan: are you back from class btw?
[6:03 PM] Celirra: Ah, yeah I am
[6:03 PM] Celirra: I'm gonna go get food soon probably mind you
[6:03 PM] thesunfan: im mindin
[6:04 PM] Celirra: I've got a bit of time if there's anything you want to mull over or anything though
[6:04 PM] Celirra: Which I assume is why you asked
[6:04 PM] thesunfan: ye
[6:04 PM] thesunfan: who are the people that are absolutely not dying on the other tribe?
[6:04 PM] thesunfan: in your opinion
[6:04 PM] Celirra: That
[6:04 PM] Celirra: is a weird question
[6:04 PM] thesunfan: getting lynched
[6:04 PM] thesunfan: that one
[6:05 PM] Celirra: oh
[6:05 PM] thesunfan: not getting nightkilled
[6:05 PM] thesunfan: yeah my b
[6:05 PM] Celirra: I'm not really following their politics enough to say
[6:05 PM] Celirra: if I had to wager
[6:05 PM] Celirra: well actually
[6:05 PM] Celirra: tbh I can't even guess
[6:06 PM] Celirra: that really is a weird question to ask
[6:06 PM] thesunfan: why?
[6:06 PM] thesunfan: well
[6:06 PM] thesunfan: ok
[6:06 PM] thesunfan: I guess I see why
[6:06 PM] thesunfan: but its more practical than anything imo
[6:07 PM] Celirra: I'm gonna be honest
[6:07 PM] Celirra: I almost don't want to give an answer of my 2 people I think are safe
[6:07 PM] Celirra: because it almost paints a nk target on them
[6:07 PM] thesunfan: k
[6:07 PM] thesunfan: that's fair
[9:11 PM] thesunfan: any chance you'd join a call?
[9:11 PM] Celirra: Can't admittedly, I'm at campus pub with a bud for a little while
[9:13 PM] thesunfan: hf
[9:13 PM] thesunfan: only get kinda drunk
[10:14 PM] Celirra: has backpack said anything about like
[10:14 PM] Celirra: his mindset
[10:14 PM] thesunfan: I just joined myself
[11:42 PM] thesunfan: ben is good imo
[11:43 PM] Celirra: Wildcard for me would be V's spot
[11:43 PM] thesunfan: wv isn't bad
[11:43 PM] thesunfan: I think I would be able to read freezin decently
[11:43 PM] Celirra: But I wouldn't put too much credence in that
[11:43 PM] thesunfan: I hope
[11:43 PM] Celirra: I think I can too
[11:44 PM] thesunfan: can I get an official vote from you
[11:44 PM] thesunfan: between ben and wv
[11:44 PM] thesunfan: for the sake of just having one
[11:45 PM] Celirra: wv
[11:46 PM] Celirra: Wait till like
[11:46 PM] Celirra: A few mins before immunity before seering
[11:46 PM] Celirra: So whoever is seered, if wolf, doesn't panic to win last min
[11:46 PM] Celirra: Or whatever
[11:49 PM] thesunfan: I kinda wanna use it quickly
[11:49 PM] thesunfan: I am scared of losing it through some dumb unbalanced thing
[11:50 PM] Celirra: I don't see how that would happen
[11:51 PM] Celirra: And if it does then we just lose provided you're town
January 21, 2018
[12:26 AM] thesunfan: sry if you're mad at me
[12:27 AM] thesunfan: I get like that when I get pushed on sometimes
[12:27 AM] Celirra: Notably as wolf in my experience
[12:27 AM] Celirra: Sorry but I'm gonna have doubts about you unless proven otherwise
January 22, 2018
[12:32 PM] thesunfan: when you are free
[12:32 PM] thesunfan: I would like to talk
[12:32 PM] thesunfan: I want to convince you that I am town
[12:32 PM] thesunfan: if possible
[12:50 PM] Celirra: Sure go for it
[12:55 PM] thesunfan: ok it'll be a bit intermittent
[12:56 PM] thesunfan: I def wasn't trying super hard first phase, I never really planned to
[12:56 PM] thesunfan: going into this game, I really did want to live, I didn't want to die early, its part of why DBP was so upset
[12:57 PM] thesunfan: because I wasn't doing anything visible to him
[12:57 PM] thesunfan: and I told him to buzz off
[12:57 PM] thesunfan: once calls started happening, I did get more involved than I really wnated to
[12:57 PM] thesunfan: I wish I had been confronted with the suspicions that people had on me
[12:57 PM] thesunfan: I would've loved to talk them out in the call, especially with Shado
[12:57 PM] thesunfan: I get why people hid their suspicions from shado
[12:58 PM] thesunfan: I don't at all understand why the suspicions on me (regarding ben) were kept hidden
[12:58 PM] thesunfan: I thought and still think I have built a solid town core
[12:59 PM] thesunfan: if you think I am a wolf, I would have to be putting my teammates in my town circle, or deflecting away from them outside of it
[12:59 PM] thesunfan: (or a combination of both)
[12:59 PM] thesunfan: i would ask that you, if you think I am a wolf, look at the list that I have posted
[12:59 PM] thesunfan: and see if you think that that is what I am doing
[12:59 PM] thesunfan: because it should be the case that you see that its not
[1:01 PM] thesunfan: I don't think that I claim the seer if I am a wolf
[1:01 PM] thesunfan: I don't work with DBP (unless he's a partner) if I am a wolf trying to solve that
[1:01 PM] thesunfan: I get that you seem paranoid of that phrase from me
[1:01 PM] thesunfan: and it is true that I say it as both alignments
[1:01 PM] thesunfan: but think about it; don't just look at the words
[1:01 PM] thesunfan: this is the part that wolves struggle with pulling off
[1:02 PM] thesunfan: they say things that they think sound good, but then towns think about what is said and realize it doesn't make sense
[1:02 PM] thesunfan: think about what I would be doing with that seering
[1:02 PM] thesunfan: I'm in a terrible spot because of how I played it
[1:02 PM] thesunfan: the whole spaghettifest shouldn't happen that way in the first place, admittedly
[1:02 PM] thesunfan: but it should especially not happen if I am a wolf
[1:02 PM] thesunfan: I've pissed people off
[1:02 PM] thesunfan: and what did I gain if I was a wolf?
[1:03 PM] thesunfan: the whole impetus for claiming the seer as a wolf would be to gain town cred
[1:03 PM] thesunfan: and I would've crushed any way of doing that
[1:04 PM] thesunfan: I get that the fact still remains that because I played it weird, I could be a wolf
[1:04 PM] thesunfan: wolves do weird things
[1:04 PM] thesunfan: just
[1:05 PM] thesunfan: look at everything else
[1:05 PM] thesunfan: the last time we played together, I got mislynched
[1:05 PM] thesunfan: part of that was because you couldn't read my soul, and I couldn't project it to you
[1:05 PM] thesunfan: I'm hoping that will be different this time
[1:05 PM] thesunfan: so, I guess in short
[1:05 PM] thesunfan: I know I made you mad with the seering stuff
[1:05 PM] thesunfan: dbp too
[1:05 PM] thesunfan: but I don't think it makes sense for me to be a wolf based on that
[1:44 PM] thesunfan: I've posted thoughts on everyone
[1:44 PM] thesunfan: in the reads list that you asked me for
[1:44 PM] Celirra: cool
[1:44 PM] Celirra: now tell me more
[1:44 PM] thesunfan: I don't think I have much more
[1:45 PM] thesunfan: the only thing I think that is worth mentioning is that soundwave had wv trending upward for ???? reasons
[1:45 PM] Celirra: I can't find any kind of in depth analysis by you on wv
[1:45 PM] Celirra: from thread anyways
[1:45 PM] Celirra: other than
[1:45 PM] Celirra: "outside of that, wv has done some small things that I've liked, but it's not really enough"
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4606235&postcount=587
[1:46 PM] Celirra: I dont dislike the tforce call
[1:46 PM] Celirra: he hasn't done anything
[1:46 PM] Celirra: but neither has wv in my mind
[1:46 PM] Celirra: tforce and I did talk when he joined
[1:46 PM] Celirra: wanted to be caught up etc
[1:46 PM] thesunfan: yeah I know you offered him cliffs
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: I don't have a super in depth analysis on wv
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: I have what I have
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: which albeit is not much
[1:47 PM] Celirra: So why do you want tforce lynched instead
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: because he's done nothing and I didn't like his slot previous
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: previously
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: which also did nothing
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: and I think that's what wolves are mostly doing
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: I might change to soundwave after his p terrible reads
[1:47 PM] thesunfan: and after jrodd showed me a log with him
[1:48 PM] thesunfan: but t-force was pretty active last game as town
[1:48 PM] thesunfan: moreso than I've seen him be in a long time
[1:48 PM] thesunfan: and I know replacing into ootc is hard
[1:48 PM] thesunfan: but freezin has adjusted
[1:48 PM] thesunfan: and he hasn't
[1:48 PM] thesunfan: its not even /that/ hard
[1:49 PM] thesunfan: lets say that dbp confirms that what I am saying about wv/ben thing is right
[1:49 PM] thesunfan: why does wv's flip matter to you with regards to my alignment
[1:49 PM] Celirra: I already answered that earlier
[1:50 PM] Celirra: Much more so than you answered my questions about wv
[1:50 PM] Celirra: and then you must understand too
[1:50 PM] Celirra: if there's this much doubt for these people
[1:50 PM] Celirra: why did you choose charu
[1:50 PM] Celirra: yes I know I keep going back to that
[1:50 PM] Celirra: but if you're town I think that lost us the game
[1:50 PM] thesunfan: there was equal doubt on charu, IN MY MIND
[1:50 PM] thesunfan: charu was not confirmed at the time
[1:50 PM] thesunfan: dog
[1:50 PM] thesunfan: I don't want to do this again
[1:51 PM] Celirra: Let's not get into it then
[1:51 PM] thesunfan: what you're saying about wv doesn't make logical sense
[1:51 PM] thesunfan: how would I be protecting him
[1:51 PM] thesunfan: if what you thought I said was misremembered?
[1:51 PM] Celirra: Why, are you worried that WV really is a wolf?
[1:51 PM] Celirra: You're protecting him right now even
[1:51 PM] Celirra: whenever I say wv
[1:51 PM] Celirra: you give me other names
[1:51 PM] Celirra: give me a dedicated block to wv
[1:51 PM] Celirra: I dont care if you dont have much
[1:51 PM] thesunfan: ok
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: I think he and ben are not likely to be wolves together
[1:52 PM] Celirra: not having much in an ootc is a good reason to seer, but since we can't it's a good reason to lynch
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: I'm not protecting him btw
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: but whatever
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: I could vote him today
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: prolly won't
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: but I wouldn't cry if he died
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: whatever
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: I'll answer your question first
[1:52 PM] thesunfan: already said he and ben not likely to be together based on their interactions imo
[1:53 PM] thesunfan: I think that he hasn't done anywhere near enough for me to be satisfied with him
[1:53 PM] thesunfan: I'd be interested to hear the opinions of poeple saying that he was townie in tribal chat
[1:53 PM] thesunfan: because I haven't seen that at all in beach chat
[1:53 PM] thesunfan: I think he's outside of my poe
[1:54 PM] thesunfan: and therefore I'd be ok killing him
[1:54 PM] thesunfan: we've interacted very little with one another
[1:54 PM] thesunfan: I kinda hate the way he piles on when everyone else is shittalking the seering
[1:54 PM] thesunfan: because he wasn't here and wasn't doing anything
[1:54 PM] thesunfan: like the post he made where he put "popular demand" in air quotes pissed me off
[1:54 PM] thesunfan: and I think things like that are minorly wolfy
[1:55 PM] thesunfan: because he's going with the flow and just talking about something that he has very little knowledge of
[1:55 PM] thesunfan: anything more than that and I would be making a stretch out of nothing
[1:56 PM] thesunfan: what did you mean about me being worried that he's actually a wolf
[1:56 PM] thesunfan: the way you worded that doesn't make any sense to me
[1:57 PM] thesunfan: maybe I'm reading it wrong or something
[2:09 PM] thesunfan: .
[2:18 PM] Celirra: I said that in response to my prior notion of you two being paired
[2:18 PM] Celirra: naturally if that's my intuition you'd want to prevent him from being flipped
[2:19 PM] Celirra: because if he flips red I'll consider you red
[2:19 PM] thesunfan: dog
[2:19 PM] thesunfan: ok
[2:19 PM] thesunfan: put yourself in my shoes with the mindset that im town
[2:19 PM] thesunfan: what is my recourse if I say to you "if ben flips wolf, I'm considering you red"
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: like
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: what am I supposed to do
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: this is why associative reads are dumb
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: or at least partly
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: you increase your chances of being wrong
[2:20 PM] thesunfan: and you maximize mislynch chance by coupling people together
[2:20 PM] Celirra: that is fair but also a somewhat... biased response
[2:21 PM] Celirra: Because I in my mind have reason to believe for a possible pairing
[2:21 PM] thesunfan: the reason doesn't even make sense
[2:21 PM] thesunfan: whatever
[2:21 PM] Celirra: you may have your reasoning to believe that states pairing
[2:21 PM] thesunfan: I need to stop
[2:21 PM] Celirra: It does for me
[2:21 PM] thesunfan: it shouldn't
[2:21 PM] Celirra: I think that's a good idea
[2:21 PM] thesunfan: people overuse the word logic in this game
[2:21 PM] Celirra: I'm going primarily for WV this phase regardless
[2:21 PM] thesunfan: your read is illogical though
[2:21 PM] thesunfan: for us to be together
[2:21 PM] Celirra: We shall see
[2:22 PM] Celirra: while it is not guaranteed
[2:22 PM] Celirra: a WV flip given context will help me read you
[2:22 PM] Celirra: and I also think WV is a great lynch
[2:22 PM] thesunfan: this is dumb
[2:22 PM] Celirra: even with that aside
[7:07 PM] Celirra: I summed it decently talking to haku
[7:07 PM] Celirra: [5:10 PM] Celirra: so here's why I dont want to do main beach
[5:10 PM] Celirra: a lot of nothing happens there
[5:10 PM] Celirra: and anything that happens is taken as null
[5:10 PM] Celirra: guarantee
[5:10 PM] Celirra: anything I say there won't be considered nor listened to
[5:10 PM] Celirra: and guarantee that nothing will come of it
[5:10 PM] Celirra: which naturally helps wolves
[5:11 PM] Celirra: if you can prove me wrong on that then I'll give it one last shot
[5:11 PM] Hakulyte: you're going to get listened to if you have town priorities in mind
[5:11 PM] Hakulyte: that'd be dumb if you get ignored
[5:12 PM] Celirra: you say that  but it's happened before
[5:12 PM] Celirra: answer me this too
[5:12 PM] Celirra: what valuable thing has come of the tribe chat
[5:12 PM] Celirra: like actually valuable for town
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: I think its where I've been getting a good part of my reads
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: I have you as lock town based on something you've said in there
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: I think not being listened to, or the feeling of it
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: cutting yourself off from the place where most people talk
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: is uh
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: not the way to fix the problem
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: if you think you're not being listened to
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: and this is  something you've already done
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: so I will word it slightly differently than I normally would so it
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: but do something else about it
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: if people aren't listening to you, there's probably a reason
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: maybe you have good ideas and wolves don't want it to spread
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: maybe you have bad ideas and people aren't talking about it
[7:14 PM] thesunfan: that's part of the game
[7:14 PM] thesunfan: good things that have happened for town that have happened in there... I mean
[7:14 PM] thesunfan: that whole seering thing sure matters a lot for getting reads, I think
[7:14 PM] thesunfan: idk
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: I've gotten most of my reads there it feels like
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: or in voice, which I guess you could call chat
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: sorry it tilts you tho
[7:41 PM] Celirra: I am able to gauge a few interactions mind you
[7:41 PM] Celirra: and that is somewhat useful
[7:41 PM] Celirra: But I also do not think it's conductive to lynching
[7:42 PM] Celirra: I also don't trust the idea of a strong town core
[7:42 PM] Celirra: cause our "strong town core" has done nothing but fuck up
[7:42 PM] Celirra: I think the chat is being controlled by wolves too much
[7:42 PM] Celirra: that or we just suck
[7:42 PM] Celirra: but I don't want to believe we suck
[7:43 PM] thesunfan: we suck
[7:43 PM] thesunfan: that's what the results say
[7:43 PM] thesunfan: regardless of whether the wolves are controlling or not
[7:44 PM] Celirra: how do you feel
[7:44 PM] Celirra: about jrodd as a wolf
[7:45 PM] thesunfan: he's not one of my townreads
[7:45 PM] thesunfan: his voting has been good
[7:45 PM] thesunfan: but that's not enough from him
[7:45 PM] thesunfan: if t force flips wolf
[7:46 PM] thesunfan: he'll look a lot better in my eyes
[7:46 PM] Celirra: Why?
[7:46 PM] thesunfan: he's lead it
[7:46 PM] thesunfan: said that he was lynching trevor and doing nothing else before anyone else did
[7:46 PM] thesunfan: doesn't appear to be changing it
[7:47 PM] thesunfan: I doubt its a bus
[7:49 PM] Celirra: I'll need to think on this
[7:52 PM] thesunfan: do you think he's town?
[7:52 PM] thesunfan: it sounds like you don't
[7:52 PM] Celirra: I think sunfan and jrodd are wolves
[7:52 PM] Celirra: call it poe
[7:52 PM] Celirra: call it my philosophy that this is less town being bad and more wolves being good and controlling
[7:53 PM] Celirra: and in that regard
[7:53 PM] Celirra: I think sunfan and jrodd would be controlling
[7:53 PM] Celirra: oh
[7:53 PM] Celirra: this is awkward
[7:53 PM] Celirra: but yeah youre a wolf I think
[7:53 PM] Celirra: and so is jrodd
[7:54 PM] Celirra: and thats mostly
[7:54 PM] Celirra: I'm not convinced of the contrary enough
[7:55 PM] Celirra: because we have strong players and I believe they wouldn't be making this many mistakes
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: dog
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: you're wrong
[7:55 PM] Celirra: consider it a respect for you that I think you'd be stronger as town
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: about the mistakes
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: people make mistakes
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: all the time
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: jrodd hasn't voted for any of the lynches that have happened
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: so what are his mistakes
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: he didn't vote for tokzic either, I think
[7:55 PM] thesunfan: but I might be wrong on that one
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: if you play, we'll be generously low here
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: 500 games of this, you're going to have games where you suck dick
[7:56 PM] Celirra: he did vote tokzic
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: last game for me, I did pretty bad as well
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: ok my b
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: he's voted for a single villager
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: so I don't see what you're saying about his mistakes
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: I see what you're saying about mine though
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: Its a bad game for me
[7:56 PM] thesunfan: I misplayed the seering
[7:57 PM] thesunfan: I have voted for only towns to die
[7:57 PM] thesunfan: but that doesn't mean I am a wolf
[7:57 PM] thesunfan: because, I am town
[7:57 PM] Celirra: do you really not feel like
[7:57 PM] Celirra: for some reason
[7:57 PM] Celirra: the tribe chat is being wolf controlled
[7:57 PM] thesunfan: I really feel like there is no control there
[8:15 PM] thesunfan: we're gonna get dinner rq
[8:16 PM] thesunfan: I'll pick this up when I get back if you're here if you're not done
[8:16 PM] thesunfan: if you could dump some more reads or something
[8:16 PM] thesunfan: it would be very helpful
[8:16 PM] thesunfan: and I'll ping everyone with the question before I go
[8:20 PM] thesunfan: pinged everyone
[8:20 PM] thesunfan: will be back later
[8:20 PM] thesunfan: sorry we got interrupted
[8:20 PM] thesunfan: I hate it when that happens
[8:20 PM] Celirra: np
[8:20 PM] Celirra: thank you for that
[8:20 PM] Celirra: post logs of everyone in the thread pls
[8:20 PM] Celirra: re: that question
[9:35 PM] Celirra: post results in 30min pls
[9:35 PM] Celirra: to thread
[9:43 PM] thesunfan: will do
[9:44 PM] thesunfan: well
[9:44 PM] thesunfan: I'm making a notepad
[9:44 PM] thesunfan: idk if I could do logs in 30
[9:44 PM] thesunfan: i'll try
[9:44 PM] thesunfan: from everyon that responds
[10:02 PM] thesunfan: tforce
[10:02 PM] Celirra: ty
[10:07 PM] thesunfan: working on posting logs
[10:07 PM] thesunfan: aiming to have it done by 20 after
[10:08 PM] thesunfan: what's the full vote of everyone btw
[10:08 PM] thesunfan: also
[10:08 PM] thesunfan: pete said hi earlier I guess I just forgot to say
[10:08 PM] thesunfan: can you elaborate on your "crackpot theory a bit
[10:08 PM] thesunfan: it differed from something I saw in chat I think
[10:12 PM] Celirra: I have 2 crackpot theories
[10:12 PM] Celirra: I believe
[10:12 PM] Celirra: you cleared yourself
[10:12 PM] thesunfan: I did?
[10:12 PM] thesunfan: that was easy
[10:12 PM] Celirra: will explain why once I've given up on wow
[10:12 PM] thesunfan: feel ya
[10:18 PM] thesunfan: trevor still
[10:19 PM] Celirra: ty
[10:22 PM] thesunfan: waiting on you to finish your train of thought from earlier
[10:22 PM] thesunfan: then I'll post logs
[10:26 PM] thesunfan: because trevor should die here always
[10:26 PM] thesunfan: he's almost certainly being protected if he can get away with playing like this
[10:26 PM] thesunfan: he is nothing like he was in previous town games
[10:26 PM] thesunfan: including the last one
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: idc if he's not having fun
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: idc if he doesn't like ootc
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: he's not playing townie
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: he doesn't give a shit
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: and if he doesn't give a shit now he won't give a shit later
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: and that's a wolfy mindset at worst
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: a non pro-town mindset at best
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: and there are just not many worlds left
[10:27 PM] thesunfan: now that I think jrodd is probably never a wolf for calling dbp an inbred fuck
[10:28 PM] thesunfan: the worlds are starting to get smaller
[10:28 PM] thesunfan: jrodd and I are talking about a switch to haku
[10:28 PM] thesunfan: I still prefer killing trevor
[10:28 PM] thesunfan: but if people aren't down they might be down for a haku lynch
[10:29 PM] thesunfan: trying to be realistic here
[10:31 PM] Celirra: I dont get the haku thing
[10:32 PM] Celirra: get the logs soon pls
[10:32 PM] Celirra: it doesnt take long tbh
[10:33 PM] thesunfan: waiting on you
[10:33 PM] thesunfan: to finish your earlier thought
[10:33 PM] Celirra: what was that train of thought again
[10:33 PM] thesunfan: crackpot theory
[10:33 PM] thesunfan: and how I cleared myself
[10:33 PM] thesunfan: theories*
[10:33 PM] Celirra: theories are re: who's controlling
[10:33 PM] Celirra: you clearing yourself
[10:33 PM] Celirra: it's not 100%
[10:33 PM] Celirra: but I'm convinced
[10:34 PM] Celirra: based on you doing the favour thing tbh
[10:34 PM] thesunfan: I mean
[10:34 PM] thesunfan: I would probably be doing this as a wolf
[10:34 PM] thesunfan: but I'll take it
[10:36 PM] Celirra: I hope you post logs soon
[12:15 AM] Celirra: kk
[12:15 AM] Celirra: thanks
[12:15 AM] Celirra: pm or thread, not main beach discord
[12:15 AM] thesunfan: thread
[6:30 PM] thesunfan: if you're free
[6:30 PM] thesunfan: I'd like a moment
[6:30 PM] thesunfan: just wondering what you think about what I posted between haku and I
[6:30 PM] thesunfan: and if you've read my larger post
[6:30 PM] thesunfan: thanks
[6:36 PM] Celirra: I'm preparing a big post before end of night
[6:36 PM] Celirra: no worries I'll be thorough enough to satisfy
[6:36 PM] Celirra: I think you're tunneling on haku too much
[6:36 PM] Celirra: it feels like a desperate attempt
[6:36 PM] thesunfan: I'm not
[6:36 PM] thesunfan: no
[6:36 PM] thesunfan: he
[6:36 PM] Celirra: thats my 2 cents
[6:36 PM] thesunfan: is
[6:36 PM] thesunfan: a wolf for tha
[6:36 PM] thesunfan: that's what I need to convince you of
[6:36 PM] thesunfan: he is never not a wolf
[6:37 PM] Celirra: just like you convinced dbp that tforce was a wolf right
[6:37 PM] Celirra: no offense but
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: for changing his vote and not telling anyone till after the fact
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: I convinced dbp that neee was a bad lynch
[6:37 PM] Celirra: I dont think I trust your game sense this game
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: and that trevor was a good one
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: I get that
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: I know you don't trust my sense this game
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: its more than understandable
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: I wouldn't either
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: but
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: that's why I'm here
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: because
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: jrodd sees it right away
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: everyone I've talked to
[6:37 PM] thesunfan: sees it right away or claims to
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: you're the person that I was worried about
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: this is not a decision sunfan made
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: this is a decision that has to be made by a player
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: of this game
[6:38 PM] Celirra: I am not voting haku tonight
[6:38 PM] Celirra: er
[6:38 PM] Celirra: next phase
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: that kills me
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: I need to change that
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: we need to talk about that
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: because haku needs to die
[6:38 PM] Celirra: wait till day phase
[6:38 PM] thesunfan: I will not be here when day phase comes
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: most likely
[6:39 PM] Celirra: me or star are probably getting nk'd imo
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: you're wrong
[6:39 PM] Celirra: kk
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: dbp /should/ always die
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: because he has the doc save
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: wolves should always kill him otherwise they risk not having a nightkill go through
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: if you don't trust my sense
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: trust the sense of everyone else
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: btw
[6:39 PM] thesunfan: because
[6:40 PM] thesunfan: haku is a wolf not only for what he's said
[6:40 PM] thesunfan: but he's basically not tried to convince people otherwise
[6:40 PM] thesunfan: he's said that he's going to try to win immunity
[6:40 PM] thesunfan: and nothing else
[6:40 PM] Celirra: so mr wise guy
[6:40 PM] Celirra: who else do you think is a wolf
[6:40 PM] Celirra: stop tunneling on haku
[6:40 PM] Celirra: dont even
[6:40 PM] Celirra: mention
[6:40 PM] Celirra: haku
[6:40 PM] Celirra: I'm not budging
[6:40 PM] thesunfan: my larger post has the 4 wolves that you asked me to name
[6:40 PM] Celirra: ok convince me on the others
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: the other 3 that I named, in order of how sure I am on them, neee, soundwave, wv
[6:41 PM] Celirra: you agree neee is a wolf, neee would be someone I will vote for
[6:41 PM] Celirra: lets lynch neee instead
[6:41 PM] Celirra: cheers
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: dog
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: you
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: can't
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: play a team game
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: like this
[6:41 PM] Celirra: kk
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: you're like those people in league
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: that instalock
[6:41 PM] Celirra: mid or feed
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: exactly
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: thats you
[6:41 PM] thesunfan: it kills me
[6:42 PM] thesunfan: it hurts me
[6:42 PM] Celirra: well guess what
[6:42 PM] Celirra: you'd better find a way to work around it
[6:42 PM] Celirra: glgl
[6:42 PM] Celirra: I'll be pushing for others in the day phase
[6:42 PM] Celirra: if you wont budge off haku
[6:42 PM] Celirra: why should I budge onto haku
[6:42 PM] thesunfan: you actually can't play like this in lylo
[6:42 PM] Celirra: when the push feels inorganic
[6:42 PM] thesunfan: it ought to be criminal
[6:46 PM] thesunfan: dog
[6:46 PM] thesunfan: what do I need to do
[6:46 PM] thesunfan: how do I do this
[6:46 PM] thesunfan: I've spent a good portion of the day
[6:47 PM] thesunfan: trying to think of ways to appeal to you
[6:47 PM] thesunfan: I don't know what to say to you
[6:47 PM] thesunfan: this isn't a tunnel
[6:47 PM] thesunfan: I don't know what you mean by organic so I guess we need to talk about that
[6:47 PM] thesunfan: this is a lynch that needs to happen
[6:47 PM] thesunfan: I need you to tell me why
[6:47 PM] thesunfan: why haku would ever do that as town
[6:47 PM] Celirra: why lynch haku instead of neee
[6:47 PM] thesunfan: because neee is a ? mark
[6:48 PM] thesunfan: albeit not much of one imo
[6:48 PM] Celirra: to you
[6:48 PM] Celirra: to me
[6:48 PM] thesunfan: but haku is more of a sure thing
[6:48 PM] Celirra: haku is a town
[6:48 PM] Celirra: nee is a wolf
[6:48 PM] Celirra: why wont you budge
[6:52 PM] Celirra: I recall that
[6:52 PM] Celirra: I dont recall the exact verabge
[6:52 PM] Celirra: anyways
[6:52 PM] Celirra: I am posting logs tonight before end of night
[6:53 PM] Celirra: you can see where my mind is at
[6:53 PM] Celirra: and why when I say this
[6:53 PM] Celirra: to me, you/freezin/neee are w/w/t
[6:53 PM] Celirra: I believe freezin is the t
[6:53 PM] Celirra: I believe you and jrodd are aligned
[6:53 PM] thesunfan: what the fuck are these associative reads
[6:53 PM] thesunfan: dog
[6:53 PM] Celirra: and the 4th wolf is somewhere in sound or wv probably
[6:53 PM] thesunfan: you don't know what you're doing with this
[6:53 PM] Celirra: I think I solved the game
[6:53 PM] Celirra: we shall see
[6:53 PM] Celirra: anyways
[6:53 PM] Celirra: make your case
[6:53 PM] Celirra: sell me more on jrodd
[6:53 PM] thesunfan: for jrodd or for haku
[6:53 PM] thesunfan: ok
[6:54 PM] Celirra: sell me more on haku
[6:54 PM] Celirra: sell me more on both
[6:54 PM] thesunfan: can I start with jrodd that's where I left off
[6:54 PM] thesunfan: im going to start with jrodd unless you tell me otherwise
[6:54 PM] thesunfan: it really was that one point mostly
[6:54 PM] thesunfan: like
[6:54 PM] thesunfan: you don't actually know what I think
[6:54 PM] thesunfan: you don't know the full history here
[6:54 PM] thesunfan: what you saw was someone call someone else a name
[6:54 PM] thesunfan: a very rude name
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: and you think that he can be a wolf doing tht
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: he cannot be a wolf doing that
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: jrodd has integrity about this game
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: its the kind of shit they beat into you at 2+2
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: you get memed out of the community if you don't have it
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: no one from there
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: which is really where he's from
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: its where he played twg when ffr was down for that long period of time
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: and I mean absolutely no one
[6:55 PM] thesunfan: would say that as a wolf in order to win the game
[6:56 PM] thesunfan: jrodd has a history of doing that when he's getting pushed on as town
[6:56 PM] thesunfan: he's called me a pathetic wash up before
[6:56 PM] thesunfan: he's said that I was never good at this game
[6:56 PM] thesunfan: those things hurt me a lot more than calling me a fucking inbred or whatever it was
[6:56 PM] thesunfan: he knows how to hurt
[6:56 PM] thesunfan: but in the entire time that I've known him
[6:56 PM] thesunfan: he's never once done it as a wolf
[6:56 PM] thesunfan: and he never will
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: he won't cross that line to win a stupid internet game
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: and truthfully he feels terrible about it later
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: I know he does because I've done the same thing
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: I've had those reactions before
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: I will spare the details unless you want them
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: but in this instance
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: he and I are very similar
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: I won't do that as a wolf to win a game
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: and neither will he
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: its not right
[6:57 PM] thesunfan: its not what we play the game to do
[6:58 PM] thesunfan: he cannot be a wolf after that
[6:58 PM] thesunfan: when I saw that, I knew
[6:58 PM] thesunfan: hopefully some of the history will help you see that
[6:58 PM] thesunfan: it probably wont
[7:00 PM] thesunfan: to convince you of haku
[7:00 PM] thesunfan: I think I need to go back a little bit in ffr twg history
[7:00 PM] thesunfan: freezinice has probably memed once or twice about a player that he is a little fascinated with
[7:00 PM] thesunfan: named afrobean
[7:00 PM] thesunfan: I don;t know how well you know the name or the man
[7:00 PM] thesunfan: and while his reputation certainly does sometimes precede him
[7:01 PM] thesunfan: he, at a few points in FFR's history, was an avid twg player
[7:01 PM] thesunfan: he had a philosophy of "Lynch all liars"
[7:01 PM] thesunfan: doesn't matter if the lie was to help town or to hurt town
[7:01 PM] thesunfan: people who lie should die
[7:01 PM] thesunfan: it stems mostly from mafiascum, where imo baseline strategies will work more often than not because the people there are of lower experience level
[7:02 PM] thesunfan: and there it is probably a decent philosophy
[7:02 PM] thesunfan: but here, it is not
[7:02 PM] thesunfan: towns lie
[7:03 PM] thesunfan: hopefully for the benefit of town
[7:03 PM] thesunfan: but there are absolutely situations where via reaction tests or whatever else
[7:03 PM] thesunfan: towns will lie
[7:03 PM] thesunfan: this is good
[7:03 PM] thesunfan: however you can see that the philosophy of "Lynch all liars" is not compatible with this strategy
[7:03 PM] thesunfan: err practice
[7:03 PM] thesunfan: whatever you would have it
[7:03 PM] thesunfan: now
[7:04 PM] thesunfan: hakulyte did not lie
[7:04 PM] thesunfan: he did not claim his vote was on neee
[7:04 PM] thesunfan: when in reality it was on trevor
[7:04 PM] thesunfan: however
[7:04 PM] thesunfan: he did lie by omission
[7:10 PM] thesunfan: I trust that you're town
[7:10 PM] Celirra: are good
[7:10 PM] Celirra: and strong
[7:10 PM] Celirra: but
[7:10 PM] Celirra: by virtue of you saying them
[7:10 PM] Celirra: when I dont trust you
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: that's the thing
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: you can't get past that
[7:11 PM] Celirra: you must understand why it doesn't have much weight right now
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: yes
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: I understand that
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: but I feel like even if this was not the case
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: you would be saying that
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: because the same thing happened last time
[7:11 PM] Celirra: give me the rest of the night phase to think on it
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: I haven't finished with what I was saying
[7:11 PM] thesunfan: about haku
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: can I finish that
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: I'm sorry this got off track
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: but I wasn't done
[7:12 PM] Celirra: I'm gonna say one thing about him first
[7:12 PM] Celirra: then you finish
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: ok
[7:12 PM] Celirra: if you expect me to trust you on haku
[7:12 PM] Celirra: and put faith in that idea
[7:12 PM] Celirra: and actually vote with that
[7:12 PM] Celirra: you have to show you're willing to vote with me
[7:12 PM] Celirra: support my ideas
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: your neee idea is not bad
[7:12 PM] Celirra: you're not the ringmaster
[7:12 PM] Celirra: nor am I
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: you effectively are
[7:12 PM] thesunfan: but w/e
[7:13 PM] Celirra: neee is objectively safer in my mind
[7:13 PM] Celirra: and nothing can convince me otherwise
[7:13 PM] Celirra: i say this as someone who's top wolf is jrodd
[7:13 PM] Celirra: because
[7:13 PM] Celirra: I cant convince you of that yet
[7:13 PM] Celirra: but
[7:13 PM] Celirra: I know we see eye to eye on neee
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: it would probably be impossible for me to believe jrodd is a wolf this game
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: it could happen
[7:13 PM] Celirra: and hey thats me with haku
[7:13 PM] thesunfan: but that's because I don't rule things out
[7:13 PM] Celirra: and
[7:14 PM] Celirra: getting one wolf down
[7:14 PM] Celirra: (neee)
[7:14 PM] Celirra: would help us with sorting out
[7:14 PM] Celirra: which of us is right
[7:14 PM] Celirra: maybe we both are
[7:14 PM] Celirra: wouldn't that be funny
[7:14 PM] thesunfan: I don't remember saying that
[7:14 PM] thesunfan: I don't think I said it quite like that
[7:14 PM] Celirra: said what?
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: oh
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: I thought you were saying that I said that about neee
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: look
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: you're the only holdout that I've talked to on haku
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: and before I give this list
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: I will predicate it by saying that I think that there are almost certainly wolves on it
[7:15 PM] thesunfan: now that I look at it there might have to be
[7:16 PM] thesunfan: freezin, soundwave, sunfan, jrodd, dbp, wv
[7:16 PM] thesunfan: I think is everyone that's seen the haku logs
[7:16 PM] thesunfan: and said that he has to be a wolf
[7:16 PM] thesunfan: unless that's all 6 villagers, in which case im wasting my time talking to you there are wolves saying that haku is a wolf
[7:16 PM] thesunfan: now
[7:16 PM] thesunfan: why does this matter
[7:16 PM] thesunfan: it looks like it brings down my own point
[7:17 PM] thesunfan: why would wolves support a lynch on a partner
[7:17 PM] thesunfan: its because they can vote whoever the fuck they want this phase
[7:17 PM] thesunfan: pending reward
[7:17 PM] thesunfan: and get away with it
[7:17 PM] thesunfan: you're the only hold out
[7:17 PM] thesunfan: of those 6 names
[7:17 PM] thesunfan: there have to be villagers
[7:17 PM] thesunfan: maybe even some we agree on
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: town has to vote together this day phase
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: pending reward
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: all on a wolf
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: we have to get together
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: it looks like all the villagers are going to vote haku
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: so hope me god
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: help
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: whatever
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: except for you
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: you are the holdout
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: as such
[7:18 PM] thesunfan: you /are/ the ringmaster
[7:19 PM] Celirra: hows this for an idea
[7:19 PM] thesunfan: we cannot win without you
[7:19 PM] Celirra: you arent gonna like this
[7:19 PM] Celirra: force tie
[7:19 PM] Celirra: i dont think it would be kitb
[7:19 PM] Celirra: I assume it would be survivor style revote
[7:19 PM] Celirra: assuming
[7:20 PM] Celirra: haku is wolf
[7:20 PM] Celirra: and wolves swap to another target
[7:20 PM] thesunfan: look in the OP
[7:20 PM] thesunfan: KitB is marked as on
[7:20 PM] Celirra: oh
[7:20 PM] Celirra: it is kitb
[7:20 PM] Celirra: nvm
[7:20 PM] thesunfan: its not that easy
[7:20 PM] Celirra: its funny
[7:20 PM] Celirra: you dont mention star
[7:20 PM] Celirra: at all
[7:20 PM] thesunfan: its not as easy as getting towns together
[7:20 PM] thesunfan: where
[7:20 PM] Celirra: anywhere
[7:20 PM] thesunfan: like what are you saying
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: in my larger post?
[7:21 PM] Celirra: do you not think she's town
[7:21 PM] Celirra: do you not think her vote matters too
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: I think her vote matters
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: I don't know that she's town
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: she is not someone I have locked in yet
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: I plan to talk more with her
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: I'm literally talking with her now
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: albeit its not much
[7:21 PM] Celirra: focus on her not me
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: I have to be very careful here
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: no
[7:21 PM] thesunfan: you're the sre thumb
[7:22 PM] Celirra: she and haku are my top towns
[7:22 PM] thesunfan: I have to focus on you
[7:22 PM] Celirra: gl
[7:22 PM] thesunfan: one of those does not belong
[7:22 PM] thesunfan: why do I need to focus on her
[7:22 PM] thesunfan: is her comitting to a haku vote going to matter to you
[7:22 PM] thesunfan: because you said nothing would convince you otherwise
[7:22 PM] Celirra: I trust her more than you
[7:22 PM] Celirra: I trust her more than haku
[7:23 PM] Celirra: if she's a wolf I would gladly say I got outplayed and that she's mvp
[7:23 PM] Celirra: because she's the only person I trust fully
[7:23 PM] Celirra: haku I firmly believe is town but cant put full credence in
[7:23 PM] thesunfan: that doesn't answer my question
[7:24 PM] Celirra: yes
[7:24 PM] Celirra: it will
[7:24 PM] thesunfan: do you remember fiji at all
[7:24 PM] thesunfan: or did that reference fall flat
[7:24 PM] thesunfan: If you don't remember mitchell I bet you don't remember rita
[7:24 PM] thesunfan: It just uh
[7:24 PM] Celirra: I do not remember it enough to quote it
[7:24 PM] thesunfan: came out like that
[7:25 PM] Celirra: focus on star
[7:25 PM] Celirra: I need to focus on a wall of text
[7:40 PM] thesunfan: I don't think star is going to talk to me any more tonight
[7:40 PM] thesunfan: she isn't responding maybe she went to bed
[7:44 PM] thesunfan: dog
[7:44 PM] thesunfan: I'
[7:44 PM] thesunfan: m going to go crazy
[7:44 PM] thesunfan: if I don't get some reasoning for that ahku read from you
[7:44 PM] thesunfan: I can't focus on star
[7:44 PM] thesunfan: if she's not responding
[7:44 PM] thesunfan: can you tell me how in god's name haku would ever do what he did as town
[7:45 PM] thesunfan: because in order for him to be your 2nd top town
[7:45 PM] thesunfan: you have to believe that he's capable of that
[8:02 PM] Celirra: The haku read is primarily from things on itg tribe
[8:02 PM] Celirra: and I can easily
[8:02 PM] Celirra: easily
[8:02 PM] Celirra: e a s i l y
[8:02 PM] Celirra: chalk what happened up to a haku meta
[8:02 PM] thesunfan: you can't
[8:02 PM] thesunfan: not when its like this
[8:02 PM] thesunfan: this isn't a haku tier play
[8:03 PM] Celirra: seering badly isn't a sunfan tier play
[8:03 PM] thesunfan: it actually is tho
[8:03 PM] thesunfan: I don't have a great record as seer
[8:03 PM] Celirra: being someone's top town isn't a celirra tier play
[8:03 PM] thesunfan: now I don't understand
[8:03 PM] Celirra: it's a joke
[8:03 PM] thesunfan: haku is confusing
[8:03 PM] thesunfan: but he is not illogical
[8:03 PM] Celirra: but I'm never a strong town
[8:03 PM] thesunfan: his reason for voting trevor
[8:03 PM] Celirra: you're usually a stronger player
[8:04 PM] Celirra: etc
[8:04 PM] thesunfan: is because wv said he and trevor were wolf wolf
[8:04 PM] thesunfan: so he voted him to disprove that
[8:04 PM] thesunfan: in a game where voting cannot be verified