The full unedited conversation

17 July 2015
17:25 - AndrewWatt96: nice move with the steam gifts discussion
17:25 - AndrewWatt96: I would counter but I'm banned so its kinda a one sided discucussion
18:51 - Lindion45: You were completely unprovoked
18:51 - Lindion45: How come you're banned there, what would you say?
18:51 - AndrewWatt96: regardless you have no right to take a high ground over it the way you are, with your actions the other day. And I dont know I try to log in peremant ban
18:52 - AndrewWatt96: dont know who to contact to get it revoked
18:52 - Lindion45: Lets refresh what happened.
18:53 - AndrewWatt96: dude all was forgotten. Untill you decided to take a high ground over me in steam gift. I never would have evr brought it up again. I may have attacked you unprovoked whatever, after your actions the other day you have no right to take a hissy fit about it in public
18:53 - Lindion45: ??
18:53 - Lindion45: Why do you keep bringing up this high ground thing.
18:53 - AndrewWatt96: because you are clearly taking a high ground
18:54 - AndrewWatt96: "thid dev makes us other devs look bad"
18:54 - AndrewWatt96: when you are just as bad, so dont play up
18:54 - Lindion45: You attacked me blatantly and unprovoked. You even just admitted to it. I did not attack you, I shared my displease for something being promoted, that I thought would get the group banned.
18:55 - AndrewWatt96: I think youll find your words were "this game is a pile of shit". not sharing displease about it being promoted
18:56 - AndrewWatt96: that was a direct
18:56 - AndrewWatt96: and unprovoked
18:56 - AndrewWatt96: attack on my game
18:56 - AndrewWatt96: and now you sit there, trying to play up and take a high ground
18:57 - Lindion45: No it wasn't. My words were: "Not only is this a pile of shit, the developer is violating the ToS by giving away keys like this."
18:57 - Lindion45: I wasn't talking to you
18:57 - Lindion45: Nor did I intend you to see it.
18:58 - Lindion45: I was not attacking your game, nor shaming you. I was sharing my opinion on it. I agree it was not in the best way, but nevertheless it was no where near what you came at me with.
18:58 - AndrewWatt96: why post it in pulbic then, private message your admin
18:58 - Lindion45: He wasn't replying.
18:58 - Lindion45: And the admin in question wasn't on my friendslist
18:59 - AndrewWatt96: do direct to DHB he replied to me quick enough when I raised the issue
18:59 - AndrewWatt96: go*
18:59 - Lindion45: I did.
18:59 - Lindion45: He must have been busy at the time
18:59 - Lindion45: It was about an hour time difference between me messaging him, and you.
19:00 - AndrewWatt96: and anyway you kinda got to go figure, anything being posted has to have some sort of approval
19:00 - Lindion45: What?
19:00 - Lindion45: You mean in FGG?
19:00 - AndrewWatt96: I went direct through DHB, diialler just followed up. So I dont know why the thought that something like that would get onto your group if its gona do harm
19:01 - Lindion45: I thought they were unaware of it.
19:01 - Lindion45: Turns out it was the opposite. But the point here is you attacked me, and seem to think that me sharing literally our conversation (completely unprovoked) is not right.
19:02 - Lindion45: And I'm not the only person you've attacked, which is why I brought it up in the first place.
19:02 - Lindion45: You had to create an entire pinned topic, with paragraphs of text, explaining your reasons why you needed to attack people and censor
19:03 - Lindion45: I quote you "so I will treat them nothing more than the peice of dirt they are. Actual potential customenrs do not get treated this way"
19:04 - AndrewWatt96: Look at in in context from my point of view. your comment or what i saw as "this game is a pile of shit" followed by your seccond comment in the forums, makes the attack no unprovked. from my context you are attcking the game
19:05 - Lindion45: My comment, not addressed to you. Followed by a sincere appology and 20 minutes of talking, then my second post which had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your game.
19:05 - AndrewWatt96: and from what i hear it wouldnt be the first time, so it 100% was not unporovked
19:05 - Lindion45: The first time what
19:06 - AndrewWatt96: that you've took a shit on other devs/games
19:06 - AndrewWatt96: so from my contexy
19:06 - AndrewWatt96: context*
19:06 - AndrewWatt96: its 100% unprovoked
19:06 - Lindion45: Well if you perceive it to be taking a shit, wonderful. But I'm only putting out my opinion, and I haven't made anything up.
19:07 - Lindion45: Quote me on something I've said, which was fabricated.
19:07 - AndrewWatt96: i never said anything you said was fabricated nor do I know much about anything you've said outside the context of the situation
19:08 - Lindion45: So what is the issue
19:08 - AndrewWatt96: but i did get some background knoweldge after the incendt thats its kinda normal for you to act in such a way
19:08 - Lindion45: I am known for sharing my opinion.
19:08 - Lindion45: I have no problem with stating things exactly how I feel. My mistake in the group was stating it on behalf of the group.
19:08 - Lindion45: That will not happen again
19:08 - AndrewWatt96: so as iv said before and im saying it again
19:08 - AndrewWatt96: 100% unprovked from my context
19:08 - AndrewWatt96: not unprovoked*
19:09 - AndrewWatt96: fail^
19:09 - Lindion45: Explain at which point, where you felt provoked:
19:09 - Lindion45: 19:05 - Lindion45: My comment, not addressed to you. Followed by a sincere appology and 20 minutes of talking, then my second post which had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your game.
19:10 - AndrewWatt96: hold on till i pull up for second comment
19:10 - AndrewWatt96: want to quote accuratley
19:11 - Lindion45: Sure thing.
19:11 - Lindion45: There's no rush here.
19:11 - AndrewWatt96: The T pose bit got me lmao.

He does make a very good point about how "Pre-alpha" is not a get out card. Rather, it should be a boast that the graphics are already good, that they intend them better at release.
19:11 - AndrewWatt96: was your comment
19:11 - Lindion45: yes it was
19:11 - Lindion45: At which point does that refer to your game
19:12 - Lindion45: At which point am I provoking you
19:12 - AndrewWatt96: "it should be a boast that the graphics are already good, and they intend them to be better at release." that is a clear hint, that you think because im putting up "pre-alpha" it means my grahpics are sub-par.
19:13 - AndrewWatt96: graphics*
19:13 - Lindion45: Where did I say your game.
19:13 - Lindion45: I was stating generally
19:13 - AndrewWatt96: it doesnt matter wether you did or not, its in my forums, so put into context its an attack on my game.
19:13 - AndrewWatt96: however
19:14 - AndrewWatt96: let's be clear
19:14 - Lindion45: I have seen countless greenlight submissions with "early footage" plastered all over them, including some of my earlier ones.
19:14 - Lindion45: using it as a getout card
19:14 - Lindion45: yeah well, that's where the video was posted, where am I supposed to reply?
19:15 - AndrewWatt96: if our previous enocunted didnt happen, that could have been taken as a general statement. Now put this into context, our previous encounter, then show you up in my forums with that statement. From alla ngles in that context you attacking the game.
19:15 - AndrewWatt96: encounter*
19:16 - Lindion45: No. What you've just said here:  it doesnt matter wether you did or not, its in my forums, so put into context its an attack on my game.

I can twist it, because it has a tiny link.
19:16 - Lindion45: ^ is what you seemingly implied ^
19:16 - Lindion45: No, I've already explained that.
19:16 - AndrewWatt96: you've already explained what
19:17 - Lindion45: I'm trying to find it, hang on.
19:17 - Lindion45: 19:02 - Lindion45: And I'm not the only person you've attacked, which is why I brought it up in the first place.
19:02 - Lindion45: You had to create an entire pinned topic, with paragraphs of text, explaining your reasons why you needed to attack people and censor
19:03 - Lindion45: I quote you "so I will treat them nothing more than the peice of dirt they are. Actual potential customenrs do not get treated this way"
19:17 - Lindion45: Here.
19:17 - Lindion45: If I was the only person you'd attacked, I can see why you'd say it was linked to our previous encounter
19:18 - Lindion45: But you have attacked multiple people, for even less reasons
19:18 - AndrewWatt96: you keep reminding me of that speeling mistake evrytime you quote that :(
19:18 - Lindion45: Someone asked you why you deleted their comment, and you told them that they were a "sad person"
19:18 - Lindion45: angrily
19:18 - AndrewWatt96: give me a few cases where I have been the provoker of an attack.
19:19 - Lindion45: http://www.l45ltd.co.uk/uploads/4/3/2/1/43210623/414372039.png
19:20 - AndrewWatt96: I'm going to be honest and say I can't even remember what their exact comment was. But the comment was the provoking of the attack
19:20 - Lindion45: "so I will treat them nothing more than the peice of dirt they are." implied you have been rude or provoking to other people
19:20 - AndrewWatt96: oh wait I think thats the person who commented sayin
19:21 - Lindion45: "You know what? You can just go ♥♥♥♥ yourself along with all the other Digital Homicide wanabes on here. I spent a good long while typing out a sensible comment and ACTUALLY trying to help you and not AT ALL troling, and here you are inulting me and calling me a blatant liar over a stupid-♥♥♥ comment I made a while ago. This is why I'm not nice hardly any more because of sad, awful human beings like you. I hope you're happy with the current state you're in, and that this "concept" gets burned to the ♥♥♥♥ing ground.

Btw, yeah, the constant "deleted for false information" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ doesn't justify that what I was saying was false. You're not fooling anybody"
19:21 - Lindion45: That sounds like an honest person that you provoked
19:22 - AndrewWatt96: somethhing along the lines of "this guy is a piece of shit, look at him deleting ALL the comments" general sum-up of the comment I cant remember the exact comment to quote. tere was far more insults directed at me. now lets go into why this provked me. First the insults, thats common sense, 2" ALL" and not just "some", he claims i was deleting "ALL" comments at a time were there was 200+ comments, and maybe 10+ disccusions. so Go figure seems like i was doing a great job in that persons fantasy world
19:22 - AndrewWatt96: and now you are moving too fast
19:22 - AndrewWatt96: let me address your second case
19:23 - Lindion45: Well you can't prove that, because you deleted the comment. And given the other evidence, what are we supposed to believe? This is why you shouldn't censor.
19:24 - Lindion45: He said he was trying to help you, and not troll
19:24 - Lindion45: that doesn't sound like someone who'd say: this guy is a piece of shit
19:24 - AndrewWatt96: if ibelive so I still have the comments from your second case or are they the same perosn, im getting confused here without names and such
19:25 - Lindion45: Not
19:25 - Lindion45: No*
19:25 - Lindion45: this is the same person
19:25 - Lindion45: "Little dragon chick"
19:25 - AndrewWatt96: ahh okay
19:25 - AndrewWatt96: this is interesting
19:25 - Lindion45: lil* actually
19:25 - AndrewWatt96: i still have some of their comments
19:25 - AndrewWatt96: somewhere
19:25 - AndrewWatt96: if i can find them
19:26 - Lindion45: You're acting like I have acted unfairly against you, but yet so far, I haven't seen any evidence of that.
19:27 - AndrewWatt96: right bear with me here, Im post all of exhibit A's comments in order from the way i find them, let me address them once i have presented them all first
19:27 - AndrewWatt96: Need to give new games a chance? Are you blind? The gameplay in the trailer looks like garbage and it's ANOTHER ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game with zombies in it. Yeah, it's TOTALLY gonna be a great game!
19:28 - Lindion45: That is an opinion
19:28 - AndrewWatt96: yes hold on
19:28 - Lindion45: Who posted it
19:28 - Lindion45: and when
19:28 - AndrewWatt96: i said im will adress them
19:28 - AndrewWatt96: this is all lil dragon chicks comemnts
19:28 - Lindion45: Also, someone says you got banned on the forums for spamming your game
19:28 - AndrewWatt96: they are still active throughout the forums
19:28 - AndrewWatt96: Yes, all dem CODEZ! Because that's all that matters, right? ♥♥♥♥ imagination and originality! We can NEVER get enough ♥♥♥♥ing survival zombie apocalypse games on Steam! NE-VEEER! This guy is literally a DH developer-in-training! lol

Sacrastic jokes aside, I'm gonna be perfectly honest here. Instead of working on multiple games at once, I suggest you work on ONE game, until it's actually playable, the basics complete, and the bugs ironed out, BEFORE you start on another. If you are so strapped for funds and your time is few and far between, like you keep jabbering on about, why not make sure that your main game gets to the point where it can ACTUALLY gets profits, because it's becoming a good game? Honestly, I think this game would be a waste of your time. Just work on Blood of Old until it's at least out of Early Access, because if it's not, then what's the point? I mean, think about it this way...you wouldn't have much of a problem with money if you had a great game that's constantly raking in cash that can support you enough to where you can work on another game. You see where I'm getting at?
19:29 - AndrewWatt96: still nothing out the blue
19:29 - Lindion45: No, that is a really helpful comment
19:29 - AndrewWatt96: im still just going with the order they are found
19:29 - Lindion45: he is trying to help you
19:30 - AndrewWatt96: YES
19:30 - AndrewWatt96: here we go
19:30 - AndrewWatt96: this is where the attack begins
19:30 - AndrewWatt96: Ahh, go shove a 6-foot stick up your ♥♥♥. You're not fooling anybody.
19:30 - AndrewWatt96: that was in reply
19:30 - AndrewWatt96: to a suppoters comments
19:30 - AndrewWatt96: POSITIVE COMMENTS
i saw a bunch of jerks posting stuff because its a zombie game. thought the dev would love some encouragement :)
19:31 - AndrewWatt96: lil dragon chick replied with "Ahh, go shove a 6-foot stick up your ♥♥♥. You're not fooling anybody."
19:31 - AndrewWatt96: and then continued with
19:31 - Lindion45: yeah, what did you say before that.
19:31 - AndrewWatt96: I have said nothing at this point
19:31 - Lindion45: Can you restore all the comments?
19:31 - AndrewWatt96: this is all in reply to a supported
19:31 - AndrewWatt96: there are all here dude
19:31 - Lindion45: Can you link me?
19:31 - AndrewWatt96: http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/480544046/530647080138022207/
19:32 - AndrewWatt96: take not how i have said nothing at this point
19:32 - AndrewWatt96: only do them claim to be innocent when I attack back
19:33 - AndrewWatt96: i think lil dragon only has the comments on the first page
19:33 - AndrewWatt96: then i create the no kore drama thread and they come over
19:33 - AndrewWatt96: more*
19:34 - AndrewWatt96: as you see they come over with a really helpful post, and some really insightful crtisims
19:35 - AndrewWatt96: but it kicks off half way down, because they commented in the public comments which i adressed ealier "this guy is a peice of shit deleting all comments" etc, noting at this point iv not deleting a single thing
19:35 - AndrewWatt96: so his comment gets removed for obvious trolling/spreading flase information
19:35 - Lindion45: Not gonna lie, this LKD account looks scarily like an alt you're using to say what you really want to say. I'm not saying you are, but it is easily assumed.
19:35 - AndrewWatt96: and they start
19:36 - Lindion45: These people are sharing their opinion on your game. they are not attacking you directly, people are allowed opinions you know
19:36 - AndrewWatt96: you can LKD if you want, its a real person lol, they added me long into this whole war but i quickly removed them because you know how people get "oh the only defending is the devs friend" when thats not the case, they added me after the war began
19:37 - AndrewWatt96: and if i had an alt account I would be on steam gifts countering
19:37 - AndrewWatt96: what was the reason i got banned again, you mentoined someone said?
19:38 - Lindion45: You lied
19:38 - Lindion45: You said he wasn't on your friendslist
19:38 - Lindion45: and then suddenly when called out
19:38 - Lindion45: he was.
19:38 - Lindion45: Oh, but only for a short window of time!
19:38 - AndrewWatt96: wait hold up what?
19:38 - AndrewWatt96: I had already removed him BEFORE i got called out
19:39 - AndrewWatt96: so techincaly my statement was correct
19:39 - Lindion45: Hahahahahahaha
19:39 - AndrewWatt96: hhe isnt on my friendlist
19:39 - Lindion45: Jesus
19:39 - Lindion45: That doesn't make it any better you know lmao
19:39 - AndrewWatt96: im so confused here
19:39 - AndrewWatt96: can you give me context
19:39 - AndrewWatt96: what are we talking about
19:39 - Lindion45: "By the time the police came to my house, I'd already sold the drugs, so technically my statement was correct"
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: heres the deal
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: look at my friendlist
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: 95 firends
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: maybe 50 of those are blood of old buyers
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: know why
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: I liked to add people who supported my gamesd
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: then
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: when jim sterling got his hands on blood of old
19:40 - AndrewWatt96: suddenly i was shady
19:41 - AndrewWatt96: because people leaving reviews were on my friendslist
19:41 - AndrewWatt96: so that quickly stopped
19:41 - AndrewWatt96: iv never accepted a supporter of my games since
19:41 - AndrewWatt96: until LKD
19:41 - AndrewWatt96: who added me late last night, long into this war
19:41 - AndrewWatt96: giving me some support
19:42 - AndrewWatt96: then i said "look man, sorry but I need to remove you, especially in a situation like this. People are gona be all over the fact that the only defender is on my friends list" so that was that, we went our own ways
19:42 - AndrewWatt96: and i guess he took it perosnally or something
19:42 - AndrewWatt96: because he never showed back up to defend after that
19:43 - Lindion45: But you are acting incredibly shady. Your response to the community is immature to say the least, all this name calling. It doesn't matter if you percieve them to be trolls. The point is you are the developer, you should take criticsm with an intent to make your game better, not insult anyone who tries to oppose you.
19:43 - AndrewWatt96: first of all
19:43 - AndrewWatt96: this isnt the community
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: this is JIM STERLINGS community
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: a big difference
19:44 - Lindion45: it is a community, and it's your potential audience
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: 100% of these people wouldnt be here without him
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: they dont come to greenlight everyday
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: they dont buy greenlight games
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: they dont support indie devs
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: who we kidding
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: jim makes a video
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: they come running
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: they arnt the community
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: and i wont treat them like it
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: its simple
19:44 - AndrewWatt96: non of them will ever be poential buyers
19:45 - AndrewWatt96: as they never partake in that in the first place
19:45 - Lindion45: What they are saying is not incorrect, you are acting incredibly shadily. It doesn't matter who the people are, or where they came from. It doesn't matter. You are obligated to be polite to anyone, as they are the consumer. The consumer is always right.
19:45 - AndrewWatt96: but they arnt the consumer either
19:45 - AndrewWatt96: that my point
19:45 - AndrewWatt96: they never in a million years would have been anywhere close to a consumer
19:46 - AndrewWatt96: they just come running to spout trash after jim kaes a video
19:46 - AndrewWatt96: makes*
19:46 - Lindion45: If that thread got on reddit, who's side would the internet take
19:46 - Lindion45: The developer, who is insulting anyone who says any opinion about the game remotely bad
19:46 - Lindion45: Or the community, who on multiple occasions has tried to help you
19:46 - Lindion45: but you just insult them.
19:47 - Lindion45: Are you even sorry?
19:47 - Lindion45: What about this conversation?
19:48 - AndrewWatt96: im not sorry hell no, my game does just fine without jim sterling community, I dont and never will need them. This is a whole different community we are talking about here. Not the steam community
19:48 - AndrewWatt96: if i acted like this to real potential buyers aka the steam community
19:48 - AndrewWatt96: then I would be
19:49 - AndrewWatt96: no, Im not sorry for acting like this to jim sterlings torlls
19:49 - AndrewWatt96: trolls*
19:49 - Lindion45: It doesn't matter who you're talking to. If you're rude to the people in a consumer position, you're going to lose.
19:49 - Lindion45: And you come at me, again, a second time, accusing me of acting unfairly against you.
19:51 - Lindion45: But...
19:51 - AndrewWatt96: I have some due called mduh spamming some shit so I reserve my rights to remove his comments now
19:51 - AndrewWatt96: dude*
19:52 - Lindion45: Why?
19:52 - Lindion45: After all this
19:52 - Lindion45: you're still removing comments?
19:52 - Lindion45: Answer me this. Did I act unfairly against you, or provoke you in any way today?
19:53 - Lindion45: Was any thing I did, unjustified
19:53 - Lindion45: Did I lie, to the public, or post anything misleading?
19:53 - AndrewWatt96: after this disucssion no, but beore yes. Im my context and I still think you are out of line with steamgifts
19:53 - Lindion45: Why is that
19:53 - AndrewWatt96: a one sided conversation
19:54 - Lindion45: When you say in your context, what does that mean
19:54 - AndrewWatt96: people are saying i got banned for spamming my game i just read lol
19:54 - AndrewWatt96: wtf
19:54 - Lindion45: Well, why don't I speak on your behalf. If that is truely the only reason?
19:54 - Lindion45: Why don't you ask a friend to post on your behalf
19:55 - AndrewWatt96: the thread can stay, but be sure, you ever do anyhting out of line/slip up ill be watching and be sure to return the favor
19:56 - Lindion45: Absolutely.
19:56 - Lindion45: I would want that.
19:56 - Lindion45: If I ever do something unjustified
19:56 - Lindion45: call me out
19:56 - Lindion45: please do, I do not want to be unfair or biased
19:56 - Lindion45: There's a difference between slipping up, and doing something out of line
19:57 - Lindion45: Slipping up is making a mistake, a natural himan thing. What you did is no mistake, and as you said you're not even sorry.
19:57 - Lindion45: human*
19:57 - AndrewWatt96: hell no, jims community can kiss my ass. dont need them never will. my games can do just fine without them. They have always been vile. Not to myself but other indie developers
19:58 - Lindion45: If you say so. They are still consumers, and consumers are your target audience. The only reason any of this happened was due to the way you responded
19:58 - AndrewWatt96: jim sterling himself is okay, its what he brings with him
19:58 - Lindion45: censorship is good. Ever
19:59 - Lindion45: not good*
19:59 - Lindion45: christ
19:59 - AndrewWatt96: i still stand by that im not censroing
19:59 - Lindion45: Did you delete comments that you disagreed with?
19:59 - Lindion45: yes/no
19:59 - AndrewWatt96: nope
20:00 - Lindion45: Are you sure?
20:00 - AndrewWatt96: only false information, 100% postive
20:00 - Lindion45: Because there is rather a lot of evidence to suggest you did.
20:00 - Lindion45: False information like whatr
20:01 - AndrewWatt96: i reserve the right to keep false information away from my fourms, wat started all this was I never deleted a single comment
20:01 - AndrewWatt96: thats important to note at this point
20:02 - Lindion45: Well it's also important to note that what you deem as false information, may be different to what others do
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: some jackass comments "shady dev deleting comments and censoring" right its important to remember iv not deleted one thing
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: then people jump on the bandwagon
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: thats the only comments iv deleted
20:02 - Lindion45: It's censorship
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: wait hold up
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: so not touching a single comment
20:02 - Lindion45: And it's probably the main reason you're getting attacked
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: then have a jackass say that
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: is censorshp?
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: okay
20:02 - AndrewWatt96: good logic
20:03 - Lindion45: No. No it's not.
20:03 - Lindion45: But when you deleted his comment, you instantly proved his point
20:03 - Lindion45: It's like someone accusing you of being a murderer
20:03 - Lindion45: and then you shoot them, to shut them up
20:03 - Lindion45: what have you just done.
20:03 - Lindion45: Murdered him.
20:03 - Lindion45: Therefore he is right. You are a murderer.
20:03 - AndrewWatt96: so what i sit idle and have people jump on the bandwagon anyway
20:04 - Lindion45: No, you reply and ask him which comment he thinks was deleted, and ask for proof
20:04 - AndrewWatt96: lets take a moment here
20:04 - AndrewWatt96: lets take a moment to clarify
20:04 - Lindion45: because right now, he probably screenshotted his comment.
20:04 - AndrewWatt96: who we are dealing with
20:04 - AndrewWatt96: jim sterlings community.
20:04 - AndrewWatt96: you know their goal??
20:04 - AndrewWatt96: you know their main aim and sole purpose?
20:04 - AndrewWatt96: to cause drama
20:04 - AndrewWatt96: and it worked
20:05 - AndrewWatt96: and now jim will make a follow up video and reward all his little stars with featuring them
20:05 - AndrewWatt96: thats their only goal in life
20:05 - AndrewWatt96: its simple
20:06 - Lindion45: Actually, I'd disagree. I'd say their goal is to bring what happens behind the scenes to the surface. To reveal a developer's true colours
20:07 - Lindion45: And, one could argue that yours have been revealed quite vibrantly
20:07 - Lindion45: And after all of this, all you can do is threaten me
20:08 - Lindion45: all you did was*
20:08 - AndrewWatt96: i think your true colours have ben revealed also
20:08 - Lindion45: Mhm?
20:08 - Lindion45: That I share my opinion publically?
20:08 - Lindion45: You knew that from reading the quote on my profile
20:08 - Lindion45: surely
20:08 - Lindion45: ;)
20:09 - AndrewWatt96: a indie developer scared of competetion and goes to all lengths to crush it. Insecurity is not a good thing friend. Inde devs help and support each other, not crush them because they are scared.
20:10 - Lindion45: Are you implying that I feel your 3D zombie game in a completely different genre / category to my 2D mini co-op game, is competition?
20:10 - Lindion45: You think I do this... because I'm scared of you?
20:10 - Lindion45: Or, is it just reflecting on what you'd do
20:11 - AndrewWatt96: anything to crush other devs right, not just myself
20:11 - Lindion45: Well, I don't even know to start, if you think my goal is to crush out the competition.
20:11 - AndrewWatt96: the fact that you write reviews in the first place, while being a dev yourself is A HUGE confilict of interest
20:12 - Lindion45: So... as a game developer I'm not allowed to share my opinion?
20:12 - AndrewWatt96: stop twisitng my words
20:12 - AndrewWatt96: i ment in a professional capcity
20:13 - Lindion45: I think you've conflicted yourself, because in your post you said that people should become a developer, before providing feedback
20:13 - AndrewWatt96: such as curation etc
20:13 - AndrewWatt96: feedback on the development process
20:13 - AndrewWatt96: not the game
20:13 - Lindion45: The development process is part of the game
20:13 - AndrewWatt96: people as non developers think they know how to develop a game better
20:13 - Lindion45: No they don't
20:13 - Lindion45: no one in your comment section
20:13 - Lindion45: said they were better than you
20:13 - AndrewWatt96: when theve never seen a single line of code in their lives
20:14 - Lindion45: Or if they did, it would be ironically, as if to say "I'm bad, and I'm still better than you"
20:14 - Lindion45: The bottom line of all this, is you don't like criticism. Because apparently, no one is eligable to be a critic
20:15 - Lindion45: If you're a game developer, you're not allowed to be a critic
20:15 - Lindion45: if you've never seen a line of code, you're not allowed to be a critic
20:15 - Lindion45: So... Who is allowed?
20:15 - AndrewWatt96: im laughing here, slightly too hard to answer
20:15 - AndrewWatt96: the amount you have twisted what I just said
20:16 - Lindion45: "the fact that you write reviews in the first place, while being a dev yourself is A HUGE confilict of interest"
20:16 - Lindion45: Your exact words were "write reviews"
20:16 - AndrewWatt96: yes which i followed up by saying
20:17 - Your state is set to Offline.
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20:18 - Lindion45: I'm back
20:18 - Lindion45: not sure what happened there
20:18 - AndrewWatt96: strange  mines was okay
20:19 - AndrewWatt96: now to end this
20:19 - AndrewWatt96: I would aprreicate you to edit the steam gifts thread to give the background information into this situation
20:19 - AndrewWatt96: rather than it ebing one sided
20:19 - AndrewWatt96: "unprovoked"
20:19 - Lindion45: It was unprovoked
20:20 - Lindion45: we had cleared the slate
20:20 - Lindion45: and I said nothing about your game
20:20 - Lindion45: Yet you attacked me.
20:20 - Lindion45: Directly
20:20 - Lindion45: said you had the high ground. Insulted me as a person
20:20 - Lindion45: On your own game page
20:20 - AndrewWatt96: yes we've been over this
20:21 - Lindion45: Yes we have
20:21 - AndrewWatt96: from a provoked context
20:21 - Lindion45: In your context
20:21 - Lindion45: lol
20:21 - Lindion45: You still haven't explained what that means
20:21 - AndrewWatt96: you have your context of the events
20:21 - AndrewWatt96: where you mean no harm or whatever
20:21 - AndrewWatt96: never ment to direct at me
20:21 - Lindion45: Yes
20:21 - AndrewWatt96: thats your context
20:21 - AndrewWatt96: my context is the opposite
20:21 - AndrewWatt96: everything was an attack and directed
20:22 - Lindion45: But you know that's not true
20:22 - Lindion45: Yet you still cling to it
20:22 - AndrewWatt96: so there for in your context you think its unprovoked
20:22 - AndrewWatt96: in my context its provoked
20:22 - Lindion45: And, in everyone elses too
20:22 - AndrewWatt96: yes!
20:22 - AndrewWatt96: because you never gave my context
20:22 - Lindion45: It's provoked in your context because you didn't read my post correctly
20:22 - AndrewWatt96: that tends to happen in biased one sided discussions
20:23 - Lindion45: Get an alt
20:22 - AndrewWatt96: people agress with the context they read
20:23 - AndrewWatt96: you cant for sg
20:23 - Lindion45: Well maybe if the context wasn't true, they wouldn't
20:23 - AndrewWatt96: sg requires you to have game in account and etc
20:23 - Lindion45: Get a friend
20:23 - AndrewWatt96: nah man youve been biased
20:23 - AndrewWatt96: and still only spreading your context
20:23 - Lindion45: Well how about I upload this entire conversation
20:23 - Lindion45: for the world to see
20:23 - AndrewWatt96: regardless of what you say
20:23 - AndrewWatt96: feel free to man
20:24 - AndrewWatt96: at least its not onesided
20:24 - AndrewWatt96: id be happy
20:24 - AndrewWatt96: but get rid of that other based post
20:24 - AndrewWatt96: or edit it
20:24 - AndrewWatt96: to provide both context
20:24 - Lindion45: But you still have not explained how you think I am unjustified. You've essentially just said that in your view, I was in the wrong, despite all other evidence
20:25 - Lindion45: You know I was not trying to provoke you. You can see that, anyone can see that
20:25 - AndrewWatt96: but you have done the same, your not undestanding my context and sititng in your view it was unprovoked
20:25 - AndrewWatt96: and they can see that given your context
20:25 - AndrewWatt96: not mines
20:25 - Lindion45: The only difference being you said some very provoking things, directly to me, unrelated to anything being said.
20:25 - AndrewWatt96: given my context im sure they would take a different note on the story
20:26 - Lindion45: You brought up my games, and compared them, implied that I was a bad developer, and countless other things that really shouldn't be heard from your game page. You literally slagged me off, for no reason, as a developer, on your page, out of context.
20:26 - Lindion45: Which is what this whole thing is about.
20:27 - Lindion45: Someone like you really shouldn't be doing that. And then after it all, to threaten me?
20:27 - Lindion45: Not appologise to anyone that you were so rude to?
20:28 - Lindion45: Anyway. Let me just upload this convo. I'm gonna change your name to THE DEV
20:28 - Lindion45: because of the callout rule
20:29 - AndrewWatt96: hold up a second#
20:29 - AndrewWatt96: can hyou point out where i mocked you as a developer
20:29 - AndrewWatt96: or as a person
20:29 - Lindion45: Sure. Give me a second.
20:30 - Lindion45: You didn't directly mock me, you stated something about standards and how I was in no position with my quality of work
20:31 - Lindion45: Well here's one:
20:31 - Lindion45: " Here we have the developer of a game called ducktards and a game called operation covert passing judgement on graphical quality of games"
20:31 - Lindion45: That is saying: "Look how shit this developer is. Look at what he's made, laugh, and then question whether he is in any position to give me criticism"
20:34 - AndrewWatt96: Well lets face it, 2d hs never been my thing and thats my opinion. I will stick by it. So when a developer of a 2d game comes running along trying to pass judgement, Im gona lash out. It's like I dont know somone who mad a Standard def movie, slagging a HD movie. That's in MY opinion, some may disagree. Thats not directly saying your game is bad or shit
20:35 - AndrewWatt96: that my opinion btw
20:35 - AndrewWatt96: not an attack on you
20:35 - Lindion45: Yes it is.
20:35 - AndrewWatt96: or your game
20:35 - Lindion45: I can see that
20:35 - Lindion45: xD
20:36 - AndrewWatt96: who knows your game might be absolutley fantastic
20:36 - AndrewWatt96: iv never played it
20:36 - AndrewWatt96: so I cant pass comment
20:37 - Lindion45: You can pass comment, it is your opinion.
20:37 - Lindion45: You can call my game a pile of garbage, for all I care. You obviously think it is. That is your opinion. What's not, is how you responded on the forums. I hope you can see that.
20:37 - AndrewWatt96: but in my context thats what happend. You came along, judged a book by its cover and left. so I done the same thing, judged your books by their covers
20:38 - AndrewWatt96: I still stand by my context that it was provoked
20:38 - AndrewWatt96: I'm not phsycic you know
20:38 - AndrewWatt96: i couldnt fortell the outcome of this discussion
20:39 - AndrewWatt96: so in the heat of the moment I stand by the fact it was provoked
20:39 - AndrewWatt96: and wont appolgise until we come to a mutual agreement
20:39 - AndrewWatt96: that now youve expalined yourself
20:39 - AndrewWatt96: i understand now
20:39 - AndrewWatt96: that it wasnt provoked
20:40 - AndrewWatt96: but you also need to agree to my point of view at the time
20:40 - AndrewWatt96: and the it was provoked and present that in your call-outs
20:41 - AndrewWatt96: if you stand by your side that it was unprovoked and that I lashed out knowing that, i cant appologise are your are being unfair and one sided
20:41 - AndrewWatt96: as you are*
20:42 - Lindion45: But see there's the problem. "In the heat of the moment"
20:42 - Lindion45: That implies that, looking back, you made a mistake
20:42 - Lindion45: And you won't admit it
20:42 - Lindion45: you just fight me.
20:42 - AndrewWatt96: no, because
20:42 - AndrewWatt96: you are still being one sided
20:43 - AndrewWatt96: and refusing to take in anything i just said
20:43 - AndrewWatt96: so you wont get your appology till I feel like you deserve one and stop beig unfair and one sided yourself
20:46 - AndrewWatt96: also
20:46 - AndrewWatt96: i feel i dserve and applogy for you one-sdied public call out
20:46 - Lindion45: We've been around this over and over.
20:47 - Lindion45: You were completely unprovoked and hostile. You didn't read my comment properly in the heat of the moment. And the only reason I bring it up is because I'm not the only person you've reacted in this way to
20:47 - Lindion45: Your response to that is: I hate Jim sterling's community
20:47 - Lindion45: Great.
20:48 - AndrewWatt96: I feel like this would make an interesting vocal debate for youtube or something. Shame my mic is broken
20:49 - Lindion45: I'm sure we can hire some voice actors to play it out, if that's what you'd want
20:49 - AndrewWatt96: then its not legit
20:50 - Lindion45: I was kinda joking but sure
20:50 - Lindion45: Do you know how much that would cost?
20:50 - AndrewWatt96: nothing
20:50 - AndrewWatt96: if you know the right people
20:50 - Lindion45: I meant professionally
20:51 - Lindion45: Not your friends
20:51 - AndrewWatt96: defends on what you classify as professionally? quality?
20:51 - AndrewWatt96: you can get some dman good actors professional quality real cheap
20:51 - Lindion45: Well unless you are friends with some high quality voice actors who would be willing to read out this hour long conversation for free
20:52 - Lindion45: It ain't gonna happen.
20:52 - AndrewWatt96: oh i didnt mean it like that, I meant it would been kinda interesting if he hadnt already had the debate
20:52 - AndrewWatt96: and instead done it vocal
20:52 - AndrewWatt96: we*
20:53 - Lindion45: So we'd be handing lines to people?
20:53 - Lindion45: That's so silly.
20:53 - AndrewWatt96: what are you talking about?
20:53 - Lindion45: I don't know, this conversation has seriously derailed
20:53 - Lindion45: I'm uploading the convo now
20:54 - AndrewWatt96: okay im gona jump afk for 10, where you uploading?
20:56 - Lindion45: http://pastebin.com/pqBJ7PMt
20:56 - Lindion45: http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/JOYQH/update-1-rather-hostile-developer-who-is-censoring-criticism
20:59 - AndrewWatt96: i feel like they could of been more/other parts about the context of the situation
20:59 - AndrewWatt96: but at least its not one sided
20:59 - AndrewWatt96: its still one sided in context
21:00 - Lindion45: I think it highlights the conversation very well. And it will encourage people to read all of it
21:00 - AndrewWatt96: oh the full conversation is poisted where?
21:00 - AndrewWatt96: i missed that
21:01 - Lindion45: Underneath it
21:01 - AndrewWatt96: ahhh yeah thats fiar then
21:01 - AndrewWatt96: fair*
21:01 - Lindion45: I don't know why it's done massive text
21:01 - AndrewWatt96: i thought it was just that and nothing else
21:01 - AndrewWatt96: did you c&p
21:01 - AndrewWatt96: sometimes different html formats get in the way
21:01 - Lindion45: oh wait, nvm
21:01 - Lindion45: found out whu
21:01 - Lindion45: xD
21:01 - AndrewWatt96: for example if you c&p something from steam to gmail, its massive too
21:07 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
21:08 - AndrewWatt96: also can i ask a question that peaks my own curiosity?
21:10 - AndrewWatt96: why do you soend so much time-ingame ducktards is that a promotional method or is that legit how much time you spend in the steam version of the game. It seems a bit over-exessive for testing, not trying to cause offensive with that question
21:11 - AndrewWatt96: I mean I spend alot of time in my own games, in test builds where I can tweak and add things, but not so much the steam builds for that reason
21:54 - Lindion45: I made it in game maker, and it takes a bitch of a time to open / close, so I just leave it open
21:54 - Lindion45: It's not really a promotional move, because half the time the name doesn't even display :P
21:55 - AndrewWatt96: ture, just wondering it really peaked my curiosity
21:55 - AndrewWatt96: also, friendly tip
21:55 - AndrewWatt96: you know you can set your game to pre-release state? As im not 100% sure but I think you are in beta?
21:56 - AndrewWatt96: you cna have your hub and store page active to gain additional following/interest, without seeling the game just yet
21:57 - Lindion45: Don't I have to upload something for that?
21:57 - Lindion45: Or provide additional screenshots?
21:57 - AndrewWatt96: I had Blood of Old in pre-release for a few days and I'd say most of the following came from that as its featured in the "coming soon" section and loads see :P
21:57 - AndrewWatt96: its basically the same as greenlight
21:57 - AndrewWatt96: 1 trailer/video
21:57 - AndrewWatt96: 3 screens
21:58 - AndrewWatt96: and what i done was just upload a placeholder/test build (not even sure you need to upload anything at all for pre-relase but im not 100% sure) then right before it went live, uloaded the real build
22:02 - Lindion45: Oh yeah. But I worry someone will get access somehow
22:02 - Lindion45: idk
22:03 - Lindion45: I don't want to release to a store page until I've made sure everything is ready
22:03 - Lindion45: even if there's no release date or download
22:03 - AndrewWatt96: they wont its in a locked state
22:03 - AndrewWatt96: theres no buy button at all
22:03 - AndrewWatt96: so its not like someone can buy accidentally
22:03 - Lindion45: No no, but if they have an exe
22:04 - AndrewWatt96: im confused by what you mean, if they have an exe?
22:04 - Lindion45: Then it's just potential for something to go wrong
22:05 - Lindion45: I do not want anything to be released before everything is ready
22:05 - Lindion45: I don't want people to see the page
22:05 - Lindion45: or anything
22:05 - Lindion45: Until, I've got the official trailer up
22:05 - Lindion45: Which I need to be further into development before I can make
22:05 - AndrewWatt96: ahh right that makes sense, ya if you dont have the actual assets to make the page like trailers and stuff then I get ya
22:06 - AndrewWatt96: but once all them are ready its a good idea to put a coming soon page out to peak extra interest
22:07 - AndrewWatt96: I may not like the graphics of your game, 2d duck, but it certainly looks interesting gameplay wise
22:10 - Lindion45: Thanks :)
22:10 - Lindion45: Pixel art seemingly is a marmite appeal
22:11 - AndrewWatt96: alot love some hate it, to me it seems outdated but others would jump off a cliff to get it lol
22:12 - Lindion45: There ya have it
22:12 - Lindion45: :D
22:17 - AndrewWatt96: You may not agree with my methods or whatever, but the thing with greenlight is, I dont like to put my eggs in one basket. I know you can say its down to insecurity or whatever but I dont see it like that. I see amazing games on greenlight that fail to get noticed everyday. Now put your self in that position, spending all the time/money on a game that goes nowhere. I dont like to fully commit, time and money into something unless I know its gona go somewhere. And thats why I do the whole pre-aplha thing on greenlight, is that gona be the finnished poject if it gets through? hell no.
22:19 - AndrewWatt96: I guess its wether or not people have faith in the developer to come through on the promises. And theres no way to prove that unless you get a chance. so the whole thing is kinda iffy
22:30 - Lindion45: It's a vicious cycle, because  you're almost certainly not gonna get through with something you have't put all your work into.
22:30 - AndrewWatt96: thats true
22:31 - AndrewWatt96: but in the same boat
22:31 - AndrewWatt96: as i said would you rather have the full game tere and ready and still have it shat on, and get nowhere
22:32 - Lindion45: It's the chance you have to take
22:33 - Lindion45: It will get further if you put more effort in.
22:33 - Lindion45: Or, do what I do. Get a community to play your game before release. That way you can change the stuff people will shit on, before the steam team see it
22:40 - AndrewWatt96: I stole your idea by the way hope you dont mind
22:40 - AndrewWatt96: for pomotion
22:40 - AndrewWatt96: I saw the FGG post you done and thought it was really smart
22:40 - AndrewWatt96: instead of just straight asking for votes
22:42 - AndrewWatt96: think DHB has a simmilar one lined up for me later
22:47 - AndrewWatt96 is now Away.
22:51 - Lindion45: You mean, asking for actual feedback?
22:51 - Lindion45: What I suggested you did from the outset??
22:51 - Lindion45: Lindion45: "I personally think that what you're doing is dishonest, you're not asking for feedback, you're asking for votes in return for keys. Which is exactly what Alden told you was bad too. I stand corrected that it is not against any rules, but am not in a position to stop you from what doing what I perceieve to be dishonest. "
22:52 - Lindion45: That is not the whole message, but it is a direct quote
22:58 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
22:59 - AndrewWatt96: yeah man, the most negative/positive or well contructed comments will win
22:59 - Lindion45: The most useful feedback
23:00 - AndrewWatt96: yeah thats what I mean
23:00 - Lindion45: Well, just the most positive feedback would be damn lying :P
23:00 - AndrewWatt96: ahaha i guess in your opinion
23:01 - Lindion45: No. If you ask people to give the most positive feedback in return for a game, they're lying, to get the game
23:01 - Lindion45: that is dishonest.
23:01 - AndrewWatt96: ohhh
23:01 - AndrewWatt96: you ment that
23:01 - Lindion45: What did you mean
23:01 - AndrewWatt96: yeah thats not what im asking
23:02 - Lindion45: 23:00 - Lindion45: Well, just the most positive feedback would be damn lying :P
23:00 - AndrewWatt96: ahaha i guess in your opinion
23:02 - AndrewWatt96: im confused now
23:02 - AndrewWatt96: i thought you just ment any positve comments left would be lies
23:02 - Lindion45: Oh.
23:02 - Lindion45: No
23:02 - AndrewWatt96: I stand correct. I guess thats me jumping to conclusions and taking things in the wrong context again
23:02 - Lindion45: Asking for positive comments, making the most positive comment winning, would be dishonest
23:02 - AndrewWatt96: yeah thats not what im asking for
23:03 - Lindion45: Good :)
23:03 - AndrewWatt96: thats the insructions i gave dhb
23:03 - AndrewWatt96: 3) leave the most ciritcal/helpful feedback and the best will be selected to win Blood of Old. There will be 10 winners so leave the best feedback and you will get selected!
23:03 - Lindion45: Have you actually released blood of old?
23:03 - AndrewWatt96: yeah its on EA
23:04 - Lindion45: Oh neat. I didn't realise
23:04 - AndrewWatt96: Jim didnt forget to shit on that one too
23:04 - AndrewWatt96: one*
23:04 - Lindion45: Oo I must watch that.
23:04 - AndrewWatt96: he made a video and played it at some funky resloution and my GUI was all over the place. But other than that it wasnt too bad
23:05 - Lindion45: 16 minutes
23:05 - Lindion45: what a treat
23:05 - AndrewWatt96: I wasnt aware at the time if you palyed in a non standard res, if messed the gui right up i fixed it now though
23:05 - AndrewWatt96: the only res that goofs up is 480p
23:06 - Lindion45: I do like the colours you chose for this
23:06 - Lindion45: but why are all the grass instances facing the camera at all times
23:07 - AndrewWatt96: thhe grass is placeholding at the moment, there wasnt too much focus on the grass, I have plans for more viariaty and different types
23:07 - AndrewWatt96: the fps issues he mentions are gone, runs pretty much flat 60fps now. the combat glitches are gone, his video really did help, and I liked it
23:09 - AndrewWatt96: but i really goofed up on that one, because now everytime some goes to buy they refer to that video, even though its 100% outdated and everything in it is fixed
23:09 - AndrewWatt96: he done is video literally hours after launch
23:12 - AndrewWatt96: the biggest things were the massive gui cock up and the combat glithcing, those wernt picked up in internal testing
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: I fixed them straight away though, and hope to continue at that pace, I revamped the whle game in about a week, it now has city building and management and far better combat
23:24 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
23:33 - Lindion45: Aight. Well I've been handed the promotion duty
23:33 - Lindion45: I'll do it tomorrow at 6pm. That's peak time
23:34 - Lindion45: Don't worry about providing the game, I'll deal with that
23:34 - AndrewWatt96: sounds good, you can also pick the comments if you want I said that to DHB, more authentic and fair give-away that way
23:35 - Lindion45: Yup, sounds good.
23:35 - Lindion45: For the purpose of this giveaway, you must not delete any comments until we've chosen a winner
23:35 - AndrewWatt96: its just keys, I hope thats alright
23:35 - Lindion45: We don't need keys, it's fine
23:36 - Lindion45: I'll throw in killing floor 2 or something
23:36 - AndrewWatt96: and I wont, Im not that much of an asshat to hold a competiton and then delete those enetering, whatever you may think of me
23:36 - Lindion45: I don't mean that, I mean people you consider to be trolling
23:36 - Lindion45: I would like to read every comment
23:37 - Lindion45: If you were to delete all the comments, what would be the point
23:37 - AndrewWatt96: ah of course not
23:37 - AndrewWatt96: no deletion
23:37 - Lindion45: thanks.
23:37 - AndrewWatt96: as i said
23:37 - AndrewWatt96: iv not been censoring
23:37 - Lindion45: You have been deleting comments./
23:38 - AndrewWatt96: trolling comments, like any steam moderator would
23:38 - Lindion45: Well for this giveaway, you must not delete those trolling comments
23:38 - AndrewWatt96: false information comements can be considered trolling
23:38 - Lindion45: No deleting
23:38 - AndrewWatt96: no deleting iv said that lol, I have gave my word
23:38 - Lindion45: Awesome then
23:39 - AndrewWatt96: i aint digital homicide "give your most negative critism and win"
23:39 - AndrewWatt96: thos who did ate a ban
23:39 - AndrewWatt96: I aint them
00:07 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
00:58 - AndrewWatt96: im reading through the steam gifts, So 1, I am apparently banned for spam threads not to my knowelege i made on in giveaways and one in trade, so if that counts as spam that explains the ban
00:59 - AndrewWatt96: and 2, that guy saying he got censored trying to claim a key
00:59 - AndrewWatt96: he clearly never followed the giveaway rules which were clear as day, so anyone who didnt follow the rules were denied keys. I didnt delete him though, thats not to my knoweldge
01:01 - AndrewWatt96: the entire blood of old group got nuked when I moved over to the community hub, maybe thats what hes referring too? every group memeber was kicked all 800, so the steam auto system could delete the ghroup
01:02 - AndrewWatt96: people really do spout vomit from their asses sometimes
01:02 - AndrewWatt96: reading about the "supposed reasons" of why I am banned. Makes you wonder about the mental health of some people and who they make up stories like this its fantastic
01:02 - AndrewWatt96: how*
01:09 - AndrewWatt96: its so annoying acctually that i casnt counter these bullshit claims
01:09 - AndrewWatt96: im trying to find out who to contact to see why I was abnned and if it can be revoked
01:12 - AndrewWatt96: ahhh here we go to prove my claims
01:12 - AndrewWatt96: two threads like i stated, dont really see how this is spam but you can visit them both if you want see if I was being dishonest in anyway or spam like
01:12 - AndrewWatt96: bobofatt
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01:13 - AndrewWatt96: the only thing i can state is maybe the post in trades was out of place
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08:05 - Lindion45: We all go through the spamming phase ;)
08:06 - Lindion45: Some deal with it more critically than others clearly. Are you sure that's the only thing you did, a permaban is quite a big deal.
08:06 - Lindion45: I've seen a few people saying that you promised them blood of old keys, but when they came for them you just deleted / ignored comments
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11:00 - AndrewWatt96: thats the only two threads i posted i can send i screenshot of the offical admin messaged if you think im lying
11:00 - AndrewWatt96: so i would hardly say sapm
11:01 - AndrewWatt96: and people wh never followed the rules never got keys its simple, if they didnt follow the rules how do i know they didnt just turn up when the game got released just trying to get a free key
11:01 - AndrewWatt96: noone was censored
11:01 - AndrewWatt96: the entire group got nuked for the new awstudios group
11:01 - AndrewWatt96: i only nuked the group like 2 days ago
11:09 - AndrewWatt96: and epeople cant say me nuking the group was censorship because i made sure any legit follower of the geames new by posting annoucments everwhere
11:11 - AndrewWatt96: i dont know reading some of the comments some people fabric some real good shit who comes over and says an promotion for the opium pulses bundle on reddit was me trying to bypass the steam refund system so people could refund the game, i thought that was hillarious
11:14 - AndrewWatt96: if i get my suspension revoked im gona counter all this publicly, I have screenshots to prove those who followed rules got keys. noone was censorshiped AND i didnt spam the steamgifts forums
11:21 - AndrewWatt96 is now Offline.
12:27 - Lindion45: . The Greenlight campaign went very fast and he was giving updates as to how far away it was to getting greenlit. A couple of days before the game did get greenlit he put up more details in the form an announcement on his group with his email address in it and said that people would get an itch.io if the game failed to get greenlit or they'd get a Steam key if it did get accepted.

I didn't contact him immediately as it was unclear to me when we were supposed to email, if we were supposed to wait some time for him to judge whether it would be greenlit or if we were supposed to email there and then. No closing date or time period was mentioned by him. Then the game got greenlit and I went to find the announcement again so I could email him for a key but found he'd taken it down. I happened to stumble across hi email address elsewhere (he posted it here on SG) and wrote explaining what happened and that I voted - he ignored it. I left a message on the group page and so did someone else asking how we could obtain keys and he deleted them.

I believe he did send keys out to those who contacted him during the brief period that particular announcement was up but it really wasn't up for long and seeing as the whole thing was unclear I can't say I have a particularly high opinion of this fella. Rather surprised to see he's working on another game at the same time as by all accounts he's a one man team and people were already questioning whether one person could possibly make Blood of Old into a good game considering all the work it would take. I don't know if he's overambitious or after a quick cash grab but I suspect the latter.
12:27 - Lindion45: http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/JOYQH/update-1-rather-hostile-developer-who-is-censoring-criticism#nfwwWXd
13:54 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
13:55 - AndrewWatt96: i know thats the post im referring to
14:07 - AndrewWatt96: also i took te time to read your website
14:07 - AndrewWatt96: "I really wanted to make Operation: Covert one of the best games on the market, in terms of quality and playability. But to comfortably achieve this, I needed money. This was the perfect course of action. A simple game with lots of customizability, that's affordable, and can be played for any length, by any age. Ducktards is currently in development, and has it's own page on the website. "
14:08 - AndrewWatt96: exact same goes here, I want to make blood of old one of the best games on the market, and makng Infection as a fun aracde style game with lots of replay value. so how is this shady?
14:09 - AndrewWatt96: "But please note, the trailer does not represent anything of the final product!"
14:51 - AndrewWatt96 is now Away.
15:22 - Lindion45: There's nothing shady about making a second game to support yourself.
15:22 - Lindion45: When did I say that it was?
15:22 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
15:24 - AndrewWatt96: the way your are calling me out over the whole thing
15:24 - Lindion45: It's nothing to do with you having a second game, I'm not sure what I said that implied it was
15:25 - Lindion45: It's to do with your response to the community
15:25 - Lindion45: and the fact people are saying you didn't give them keys. But that one I'm not sure because I don't know the full story
15:25 - Lindion45: However, I have seen solid evidence of how you treat people on your game page, even people who help you.
15:26 - Lindion45: Each time you come back to me with something, it's always different. It's like you're just looking so hard to find something on me.
15:27 - Lindion45: When did I say anything that implied having more than one game on the run was bad?
15:27 - Lindion45: Or shadyt
15:27 - Lindion45: or anything of the sort
15:29 - AndrewWatt96: http://imgur.com/bcJAQTX
15:29 - AndrewWatt96: does that debunked all these false claims of no free keys
15:30 - Lindion45: Not all of them, but it helps the cause
15:30 - Lindion45: You need to address the individuals that said you actively tried to censor them.
15:30 - AndrewWatt96: over 1,100 followed the rules, so anyone saying other wise is a minoirty who clearly never followed the rules that were as clear as day
15:31 - Lindion45: The fact that you gave out keys to people is great, but it doesn't mean everyone who was promised got one.
15:31 - AndrewWatt96: any idea how you get past steam status you have posted?
15:31 - AndrewWatt96: if i can get my hands on thatr
15:32 - AndrewWatt96: it debunks the claims of censorshiop
15:32 - Lindion45: How you get past what?
15:32 - Lindion45: What would you reply to that message
15:32 - AndrewWatt96: yoiu know you can post stauses
15:32 - AndrewWatt96: on steam
15:32 - Lindion45: that I linked earlier
15:32 - Lindion45: Yeah, I don't know how you access them. I think they're deleted after 30 days, but I have no clue.
15:33 - Lindion45: If you reply how you would to the guy who claims you censored him, I'll post the reply for you.
15:33 - AndrewWatt96: got iy
15:33 - AndrewWatt96: it*
15:33 - AndrewWatt96: two seconds
15:34 - AndrewWatt96: http://imgur.com/TAbCfsm
15:34 - AndrewWatt96: i also posted one of the group before it was nuked
15:34 - AndrewWatt96: and one on my community hub, but i delted the one on the hub
15:35 - Lindion45: Why did you need to delete the group in the first place
15:35 - Lindion45: why not just make a new group.
15:35 - AndrewWatt96: because whats the point in having a group for infection, a group for blood of old, AND a community hub for both if infection gets greenlight
15:35 - AndrewWatt96: better just to have the hubs and a central group right?
15:35 - Lindion45: I did xD
15:36 - Lindion45: My very first operation: Covert group still stands
15:36 - Lindion45: it just redirects to the new one
15:36 - AndrewWatt96: and i wanted to nuke the group because I felt like if i left it just to idle people would think iv abandoned ship when i dont reply etc
15:36 - Lindion45: Well deleting it just magnified the effect
15:36 - Lindion45: Because instead of ignoring it, it looks like you've actively censored it
15:36 - Lindion45: which is much worse
15:36 - AndrewWatt96: everyone got an invite to the new group
15:37 - AndrewWatt96: as far as im aware
15:37 - AndrewWatt96: i did my best to reinvite evryone
15:37 - Lindion45: How many people were in the old group
15:37 - Lindion45: THere is an invite limit
15:37 - AndrewWatt96: 700, but only 100 came over
15:37 - Lindion45: of like 200 people
15:37 - Lindion45: There's your problem
15:38 - Lindion45: People weren't invited
15:38 - Lindion45: You need to address these people, or they will be forever against you
15:38 - AndrewWatt96: i did in my hub
15:38 - Lindion45: But there are still more
15:39 - Lindion45: The thing about that, is you posted it in the hub. The place where the people who understand it are. You need the people not on the hub to see it.
15:39 - AndrewWatt96: and how do i do that?
15:43 - Lindion45: Well, not deleting the group would have helped
15:43 - Lindion45: If you owe them keys,
15:43 - AndrewWatt96: i owe noone keys
15:43 - Lindion45: then it's probably not a good idea to delete the group
15:43 - AndrewWatt96: the rules were clear
15:43 - Lindion45: Well why is everyone saying they should have had one then
15:43 - AndrewWatt96: they didnt follow rules, they dont get a key
15:44 - Lindion45: Not everyone, but some
15:43 - AndrewWatt96: the rules couldnt of been anymore clearer
15:44 - Lindion45: What were the rules
15:44 - AndrewWatt96: leave feedback and email bloodofold@gmail.com
15:44 - AndrewWatt96: every email recieved was archived and replied to with a key
15:44 - AndrewWatt96: i clealry stated multiple times
15:44 - AndrewWatt96: those who do not email wont get a key
15:44 - AndrewWatt96: in every post
15:45 - Lindion45: Someone said something about not getting a reply from you
15:45 - AndrewWatt96: other wise hwo do i know its not some chancer turning up 3 weeks later after the whole thing "oh yeah i done waht you said by the way, give me key" well... where your porrf?
15:45 - AndrewWatt96: proof*
15:45 - AndrewWatt96: thats why the email was there in the first place
15:45 - AndrewWatt96: to root out chancers
15:45 - AndrewWatt96: and for an easy key ditribution method
15:46 - Lindion45: " I happened to stumble across hi email address elsewhere (he posted it here on SG) and wrote explaining what happened and that I voted - he ignored it. I left a message on the group page and so did someone else asking how we could obtain keys and he deleted them."
15:47 - AndrewWatt96: why dint they email? if they had the email address, and no comments were deleted
15:47 - Lindion45: In there, it sounds like he is referring to you deleting the comments themselves
15:47 - Lindion45: not the group
15:47 - Lindion45: And you've had a history of deleting comments,
15:47 - Lindion45: so....
15:47 - Lindion45: what are the public supposed to think?
15:48 - Lindion45: I've no idea if you deleted them or not. I can only take your word for it, because all proof is deleted. But based on past evidence, what is anyone supposed to go on?
15:49 - Lindion45: The fact you deleted the whole group was a warning sign
15:49 - AndrewWatt96: thats the only post on steamgifts that doesnt accuratley explain the rules, but it was deleted after like 5 mins and only one person replied http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/1uvEE/new-steam-greenlight
15:49 - Lindion45: How is that relevant
15:49 - AndrewWatt96: the rules were clear, its simple
15:50 - AndrewWatt96: people stating otherwise, are either chances, or trying to create additional drama
15:50 - AndrewWatt96: you dont follow rules, you dont get
15:50 - AndrewWatt96: you wouldnt expect to a tripple A company to take you seriously entering a giveaway without following rules
15:50 - AndrewWatt96: so why should indie devs be any different
15:50 - AndrewWatt96: rules are there for a reason
15:51 - AndrewWatt96: follow them.
15:51 - Lindion45: What rules
15:51 - Lindion45: You posted a link and asked people to click it
15:51 - AndrewWatt96: which was deleted and only one person replied
15:51 - Lindion45: So?
15:52 - AndrewWatt96: so your point is invalid I know exactly where my taffic is coming from
15:52 - AndrewWatt96: i run live stats
15:52 - Lindion45: Which point is invalid
15:52 - AndrewWatt96: how do you think i figured out your little steam gifts discussion so fast when banned
15:52 - AndrewWatt96: i had a surge of new viewers from steam gifts
15:53 - Lindion45: I still don't see how this proves anything
15:53 - AndrewWatt96: your point or implied point
15:53 - AndrewWatt96: was these people are coming from that one post
15:53 - AndrewWatt96: that doesnt state the rules
15:53 - Lindion45: um
15:53 - Lindion45: Where did I say that?
15:53 - AndrewWatt96: despite it only being live for 5 min and having no activy or click throughs
15:54 - AndrewWatt96: Lindion45: What rules
Lindion45: You posted a link and asked people to click it
15:54 - Lindion45: My point, is that people are saying they emailed you, and they ignored it
15:54 - Lindion45: you* ignored it
15:54 - Lindion45: and that you deleted their comments on the group page
15:54 - AndrewWatt96: if people emailed me they certainly didnt get ignored
15:54 - Lindion45: Well why does someone say it was then:
15:54 - Lindion45: I happened to stumble across hi email address elsewhere (he posted it here on SG) and wrote explaining what happened and that I voted - he ignored it. I left a message on the group page and so did someone else asking how we could obtain keys and he deleted them.
15:55 - AndrewWatt96: oooohhhh shit, whats this guys name?
15:55 - Lindion45: Are you not reading my messages properly again? :)
15:55 - Lindion45: :P*
15:55 - Lindion45: I pasted that 3 times now
15:57 - Lindion45: http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/JOYQH/update-1-rather-hostile-developer-who-is-censoring-criticism#nfwwWXd
15:57 - AndrewWatt96: i wsh i had the screenshots now to prove this. Someone did post on the group page they stated a disscussion, it was like 1 week after the giveaway was over, stating that he emailed during the given time frame but the email account he used was suspsended or something along those lines, I was able to verify this, I commented back publicly whihc he acknowledge and replied privately by email, I then explained I was deleting the discussion due to the give-away being over and I didnt want new people thinking they could jump on the bandwagon. Thats the only thing I ever deleted on that page, hold on I think I may be able to root out the email with my reply to this guy and my reasoning of why his post was nuked
15:58 - Lindion45: that would be awesome
15:58 - AndrewWatt96: might be a while i need to sift through 1000 emails to find it
15:58 - Lindion45: sure
15:58 - AndrewWatt96: i dont know if its the same guy though
15:58 - AndrewWatt96: but thats the only thing i ever deleted on that page
15:59 - Lindion45: we can ask
16:00 - AndrewWatt96: while am it it, heres one of many to prove people whop emailed after were not ingored
16:00 - AndrewWatt96: http://imgur.com/8tz0WZP
16:01 - Lindion45: ok
16:09 - AndrewWatt96: gona be honest dont think its the same guy, and i have no recollection of the name uraniumfalconpunch
16:11 - Lindion45: Well, you need to talk with him
16:12 - AndrewWatt96: to prove further hes probably a chancer/troll people who didnt get their keys can at least provide some sort of proof, this guy has nothing to prove. tell him to email me with something along these lines
16:13 - AndrewWatt96: http://imgur.com/Yzjky38
16:14 - Lindion45: Well I've added him
16:14 - AndrewWatt96: people really have no excuse as the email wasplasted everwhere, group or no group, friggin email me lol
16:15 - Lindion45: Ok.
16:15 - Lindion45: Do you still feel that steam gifts post was unjustified?
16:16 - AndrewWatt96: yes
16:17 - AndrewWatt96: also why did this guy, ontop of not just emailing, not try the oiffcal community hub for a response if he felt he was being deleted or whatever in the group. Theres so many ways this guy could have got in touch, everything about it screams troll
16:18 - Lindion45: We'll get to the bottom of it
16:18 - Lindion45: and then know for sure if he's a troll or not.
16:18 - Lindion45: Why did you feel my steam gifts post was unjustified?
16:18 - AndrewWatt96: if he isnt trolling tell him to email me at bloodofold@gmnail.com with proof to support his claims
16:18 - AndrewWatt96: fail^
16:18 - AndrewWatt96: bloodofold@gmail.com
16:19 - AndrewWatt96: I feel like you are bing over-dramitic, taking a high ground and trying to blow things out of proportion
16:20 - Lindion45: I never tried to take the high ground, I just showcased that your reaction to my completely unrelated post was well out of order, alongside all your other posts.
16:20 - Lindion45: Nothing was blown out of proportion, as I literally just posted screenshots
16:20 - AndrewWatt96: one guy didnt ghet a key, so hell the 1100 others who got theirs doesnt matter, SCAMMER. I delete false information on my greenlight page, all of a sudden I have a history of deleting things, CENSORSHIP.
16:20 - Lindion45: I linked the full source too
16:21 - Lindion45: Well you shouldn't have deleted it. But lots of people were accusing you of deleting things too
16:21 - Lindion45: You claimed to be deleting anything you deemed to be trolling.
16:21 - AndrewWatt96: yes which i reserve the right to do, just like any steam admin.
16:21 - Lindion45: And since you cannot prove how many comments you deleted, we will never know
16:22 - Lindion45: But, it's censorship.
16:22 - Lindion45: It's preventing anyone from seeing what happened
16:22 - AndrewWatt96: the annoying thing about greenlght is
16:23 - AndrewWatt96: you dont have full admin authority so you cant oull back deleted comments and such like you can do in disccusion areas
16:23 - AndrewWatt96: pull*
16:23 - Lindion45: And just because you don't like a community
16:23 - Lindion45: doesn't mean you can treat them like dirt
16:24 - AndrewWatt96: hell yeah i can, treat others the other the way you wish to be treat. what goes around comes around. someone treat me like it you can bet your ass im gona do the same thing back but better
16:25 - AndrewWatt96: somone doesnt show me respect
16:25 - AndrewWatt96: they show as hell aint getting any back
16:25 - AndrewWatt96: sure*
16:26 - Lindion45: Well, what about the people who tried to help you?
16:26 - AndrewWatt96: and explain exactly how calling me a peice of shit, and my game sucks is in anyway shape or form trying to help
16:27 - AndrewWatt96: where have you seen one specific post that gave actual critism that I reacted badly too
16:27 - Lindion45: The original comment I quoted, who was complaining that you deleted his comment
16:27 - AndrewWatt96: we've already been over this
16:28 - Lindion45: yup
16:28 - AndrewWatt96: did you not see the nick of his comments before he claimed he was "trying to help"
16:28 - Lindion45: You sent me a massive constructive criticism comment that he posted
16:28 - AndrewWatt96: "shove a 6ft didlo up your ass" was one of his first
16:28 - AndrewWatt96: yeah he was really trying to help
16:29 - AndrewWatt96: then when he got what he deserved back he was suddenly "trying to help"
16:29 - Lindion45: What about his constructive criticism. Didn't you say he posted that first
16:29 - AndrewWatt96: not how I remember things I guess we can check the time stamps?
16:30 - Lindion45: Well, I don't remember clearly
16:30 - Lindion45: But,
16:30 - Lindion45: I remember you sent his constructive criticism
16:30 - Lindion45: first
16:30 - Lindion45: But not whether he posted it first
16:30 - Lindion45: I just assumed you quoted him in chronological order
16:31 - AndrewWatt96: here we go
16:31 - AndrewWatt96: with time stamps
16:31 - AndrewWatt96: first comment as far as im aware
16:31 - AndrewWatt96: 15 Jul @ 4:45am
Originally posted by LKDSCHAEFER:
Originally posted by Magnus Spellbane:
This looks bad. Steam needs games with quality not cheap unity games.
well suck it. honestly people need to give new games a chance.
so go ahead say what you want. the smart people give games atleast a chance.
Need to give new games a chance? Are you blind? The gameplay in the trailer looks like garbage and it's ANOTHER ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game with zombies in it. Yeah, it's TOTALLY gonna be a great game!
16:31 - AndrewWatt96: 4.45
16:32 - Lindion45: That's not the right person
16:32 - AndrewWatt96: it is, the origonally posted by are quotes
16:33 - Lindion45: His name was Lil dragon chick
16:33 - AndrewWatt96: yeah it him
16:34 - AndrewWatt96: fuck iv went and lost that comment now bear with me ill screenshot it
16:35 - Lindion45: Also, why was one of your main supporters claiming he was getting a prize?
16:35 - AndrewWatt96: lol are you serious that woomoo something
16:35 - AndrewWatt96: its a troll they admitted it in the public comments
16:36 - Lindion45: Ok. Just checking. He was one of your main supporters
16:36 - AndrewWatt96: he want you can clearly tell he was torlling
16:36 - AndrewWatt96: tghere anyways
16:36 - AndrewWatt96: http://imgur.com/OKk3lti
16:36 - AndrewWatt96: how is that helping in any ways
16:37 - AndrewWatt96: his follow up comemnts at 4.48 were the futrther insults of shove the dildo upo my ass etc
16:37 - AndrewWatt96: it was until around 2 hours later
16:37 - AndrewWatt96: he posted his constrictive critism trying to help
16:37 - AndrewWatt96: so how is that guy in anyway shape or from trying to help me
16:37 - Lindion45: No.
16:37 - Lindion45: no nononon
16:37 - Lindion45: He said that, in return to you saying you'd reported him
16:38 - Lindion45: Prior, he posted this:
16:38 - Lindion45: I know that I put some bit of harsh criticism on another post on here, so I'm just gonna put the honest part on this one, and then some.

As I've said, even though this is only a concept, and nothing more, I'm gonna have to agree with the guy that looks like you've deleted his comment (even though you said you were only deleting them for giving false information...). Truly and honestly feel that proceeding with this game would be a waste of time and effort, for two major reasons.

Reason one: Just look at how many of these types of survival horror zombie shoot-em-up games that we have here on Steam. This concept for a game has become completely over-saturated and watered so much down that it's just seeped into the groves of the Steam indie gaming market that other larger games can't fill and just disappear within them. Unless you have a very appealing, creative, and COMPLETE game in store for your customers, I feel any more attempts at making another one of these games would be futile and again, just a waste of time. To be honest, if I look past the awful flashing "Pre-Alpha" title in the trailer I can visially see that it's not AS bad as other games of this type I've seen, however, it's all still mediocre and looks like ALL those other games just less...crappy, I guess.

Reason two: You mentioned that you're also the developer of the game Blood of Old, and that when it's fully completed it would become a great "Epic" game with tons of content and potential. Unfortunately, we've heard this exact thing about so many different games by now that we get sick of it when we see that nothing becomes out of the about 90% of the developers that made those promises and accusations. That being said, your main game is STILL in early access, and now you want to make another game on top of that? You keep defending yourself by saying that you have barely any time or funds to continue development of your game, yet you contradict yourself by attempting to pile on ANOTHER game that will most likely make barely any money for
16:38 - AndrewWatt96: said what
16:38 - Lindion45: That is insane feedback
16:38 - AndrewWatt96: yes
16:38 - Lindion45: That's possibly one of the most useful feedback posts on there
16:38 - AndrewWatt96: 2 hours afterf
16:38 - Lindion45: He is trying to help you
16:38 - AndrewWatt96: straight up trolling and being a douche
16:38 - AndrewWatt96: look at the time stamp dude
16:38 - AndrewWatt96: take a seoncd
16:38 - AndrewWatt96: you just c&p
16:39 - AndrewWatt96: i cba looking it uop
16:39 - AndrewWatt96: look at the time stamp
16:39 - AndrewWatt96: its 6 something
16:39 - AndrewWatt96: if not i stand corrrected
16:39 - AndrewWatt96: all his previous trolling/abuse comments were 2 hours rpeivous at 4
16:39 - AndrewWatt96: so how
16:39 - AndrewWatt96: in anyway shape or form
16:39 - AndrewWatt96: should i give that guy respect
16:39 - Lindion45: No, that was before you told him you were gonna report him
16:40 - Lindion45: And then he got pissed at you
16:40 - AndrewWatt96: look at the time stamps man
16:40 - AndrewWatt96: 2 hours
16:40 - AndrewWatt96: 2 hours difference
16:40 - AndrewWatt96: he was straight up trolling for 2 hours
16:40 - Lindion45: You didn't even reply to him.
16:40 - AndrewWatt96: he doesnt deserve my respect
16:41 - Lindion45: You deleted his comment, that said you're removing comments.....................
16:41 - Lindion45: That literally just proves his point.
16:42 - Lindion45: It doesn't matter if you didn't delete any comments prior, which, assumedly you have been. The point is, you proved his point instead of countering it
16:42 - Lindion45: All it would have taken would be a reply, right above it
16:42 - Lindion45: asking what you deleted
16:42 - Lindion45: that way, everyone will instantly take your side
16:42 - AndrewWatt96: i did
16:42 - AndrewWatt96: then deleted it
16:42 - AndrewWatt96: when he came up short
16:42 - AndrewWatt96: with no proof
16:42 - Lindion45: prove it
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: you prove i didnt
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: lol
16:43 - Lindion45: didn't what
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: we can play that game all day
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: that i ddint comment back
16:43 - Lindion45: No, hold up.
16:43 - Lindion45: What happened.
16:43 - Lindion45: He commented saying that you deleted his comment
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: acctually
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: actually
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: boom
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: AndrewWatt96  [author] 16 Jul @ 1:49pm
@Lil Dragon Chick removed for flase information again. I will not stand for the spreading of false information and rumors, show me what comments you are talking about, other than ones spreading false infromation which I have everyright to remove. I'm not having trolls spreading lies.
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: bom
16:43 - AndrewWatt96: i did comment back
16:44 - AndrewWatt96: i just remvoed his comment below mines
16:44 - AndrewWatt96: but my comment pretty much sums up his anywya
16:44 - Lindion45: Yes, but you deleted his comment............................................
16:44 - Lindion45: Therefore
16:44 - Lindion45: you are deleting comments
16:44 - Lindion45: which is exactly what he is accusing you of
16:44 - Lindion45: and that you're denying
16:44 - Lindion45: So when you say "I didn't delete his comment", you did.
16:45 - Lindion45: It doesn't matter what circumstance itwas
16:45 - Lindion45: you deleted it.
16:45 - Lindion45: And it pissed him off
16:45 - Lindion45: so he got mad.
16:45 - Lindion45: And instead of trying to address the issue
16:45 - Lindion45: you just laugh at him, and call him dirt
16:45 - Lindion45: throwing names around
16:45 - Lindion45: "sad person"
16:45 - Lindion45: I have lunch now.
16:46 - Lindion45: When I come back, I will run the promotion for you.
16:45 - AndrewWatt96: can yhou link me to the thread where i clal him a sad person
16:46 - AndrewWatt96: i know i did it
16:46 - AndrewWatt96: but i want to deunk that it wasnt uprovoked
17:01 - Lindion45: http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/480544046/535150948593987494/#c535150948597371716
17:02 - AndrewWatt96: yeah still stand by it
17:02 - AndrewWatt96: sad person
17:02 - AndrewWatt96: spreading rumors
17:03 - AndrewWatt96: not unprovoked in my eyes
17:03 - Lindion45: He helped you massively, but you still treat him this way
17:03 - Lindion45: Why do you need to be provoked in the first place
17:03 - Lindion45: why can't you just hold yourself back
17:03 - Lindion45: Look at how much useful information he provided
17:05 - AndrewWatt96: as iv previously stated. look at the time stamps. Just because a murderer mudered someone then helps out by praying for the person afterwars or something (poor metaphore, i know) doesnt make the person any less of a murder
17:05 - AndrewWatt96: the guy was trolling
17:05 - AndrewWatt96: just because he posted 1 useful comment 2 HOURS later
17:05 - AndrewWatt96: doenst make him any less of a troll
17:05 - AndrewWatt96: therefore why should he have any more of my respect?
17:06 - Lindion45: But where is the proof he trolled?
17:07 - Lindion45: I don't see his comment
17:06 - AndrewWatt96: seriosuly man?
17:07 - AndrewWatt96: i screenshoted one of his compets psoted 2 hors previous
17:07 - AndrewWatt96: the dildo one theres baout 6 or 7 others
17:07 - Lindion45: Your idea of trolling, is commenting that you disagree with as false information
17:07 - AndrewWatt96: about*
17:07 - Lindion45: That's after you flamed him
17:07 - AndrewWatt96: no its 2 hours before
17:07 - AndrewWatt96: look at the firggin time stamps man
17:07 - AndrewWatt96: i cant sayit enough
17:08 - AndrewWatt96: his helpful comment was posted 6.59
17:08 - AndrewWatt96: almost 7
17:08 - AndrewWatt96: all his trolls were acctually 3 hours ealier then I stand corrected, at around 4
17:09 - AndrewWatt96: see this is why i think your post in unjustified
17:09 - AndrewWatt96: you really have jumped to conclusions without know the full back story
17:09 - AndrewWatt96: knowing*
17:10 - Lindion45: 6:59am - He posted feedback.
2:01pm - He complains you deleted his comment. At this point, he hasn't said anything rude to you
2:02pm - You call him a sad person
17:11 - Lindion45: Show me him trolling
17:11 - Lindion45: show me the proof
17:13 - AndrewWatt96: seriously man just listen and stop making me show you the same things over and over and over
17:13 - AndrewWatt96: http://i.imgur.com/OKk3lti.jpg
17:13 - AndrewWatt96: there
17:13 - AndrewWatt96: look at the date/time
17:13 - AndrewWatt96: WAYYYY
17:13 - AndrewWatt96: before his "helpful" comment
17:13 - AndrewWatt96: the helpul comment was posted 16th. 659.am
17:14 - AndrewWatt96: that was 15th
17:14 - AndrewWatt96: 4 something pm
17:14 - AndrewWatt96: I still stand by his helpfull coment didnt come till way later
17:14 - AndrewWatt96: why are you failing to understand that, im so confused
17:15 - AndrewWatt96: what about that is constuctive
17:15 - AndrewWatt96: what about that helps me?
17:15 - AndrewWatt96: what about that makes me turn round and say "oh you know what, maybe hes right, that does need fixed"
17:15 - AndrewWatt96: TROLL.
17:16 - AndrewWatt96: now, please, i beg you, dont make me link that same screenshot a 5th time
17:18 - AndrewWatt96: do you see your error now? that you posted without fully knowing the story? and jumped slightly to conclusions
17:18 - Lindion45: 5th time?
17:19 - Lindion45: Have you sent it me before?!
17:18 - AndrewWatt96: like 4 times yes
17:19 - AndrewWatt96: when you keep challenging me aboutthis guys helpful comment
17:19 - Lindion45: Well, I can't find where this is
17:19 - AndrewWatt96: iv repeatedly told you to look at the time stamps
17:19 - AndrewWatt96: anmd linked that
17:19 - Lindion45: And, note this is his opinion
17:19 - Lindion45: he's not trolling there
17:20 - Lindion45: Sharing your opinion =/= trolling
17:20 - Lindion45: The fact he can give 3 long paragraphs about his thoughts on your game, shows that he is not trolling.
17:23 - AndrewWatt96: http://imgur.com/c6k4gFI
17:23 - AndrewWatt96: still think this dude is a little angle who didnt at all deserve every bit of treatment he got
17:23 - AndrewWatt96: ?
17:23 - AndrewWatt96: angle lol
17:23 - AndrewWatt96: angel*
17:24 - Lindion45: Even you yourself said that guy was a troll.
17:24 - Lindion45: So, he's not wrong
17:24 - AndrewWatt96: what?
17:24 - Lindion45: Wootama
17:24 - Lindion45: or whatever he's called
17:24 - AndrewWatt96: oh eyah see i told you he was a troll, never itenonally put him in there i just now noticed, theres clealr ynot 32 people
17:25 - AndrewWatt96: im not talking about him though
17:25 - Lindion45: You're talking about the dragon guy, talking to him
17:25 - AndrewWatt96: do you still think lil dragon chick, is the little angel you put him out to be that i unbsurdly and unprovokingly attacked
17:25 - Lindion45: Stating he was a troll
17:25 - Lindion45: I don't think he's a "little angel"
17:26 - Lindion45: But he's certainly not trolling
17:26 - AndrewWatt96: besideds the point
17:26 - AndrewWatt96: trolling or not
17:26 - AndrewWatt96: why should i give him any respect
17:26 - AndrewWatt96: and why shoudl i have treated him any different
17:26 - AndrewWatt96: with all his previous comments and his mannorisms when talking about my game
17:26 - AndrewWatt96: theres much more efective ways to share your dislike about something
17:27 - AndrewWatt96: not just be a moron douchbag who deservers everybit of treatment they got
17:27 - AndrewWatt96: so i still think you jumped to conclusions
17:28 - Lindion45: So essentially.... He dislikes your game, so you dislike him?
17:28 - AndrewWatt96: manorisms are a key thing
17:28 - AndrewWatt96: look i could turn round and syay, take this totaly metaphorically "i really dont like you man, sorry but your not my type of person" thats geat
17:28 - AndrewWatt96: or i could turn round and say "fuck you you peice of shit, you fucking monron i hate you"
17:29 - Lindion45: How is that metaphoric
17:29 - AndrewWatt96: what one you gona react better to?
17:29 - Lindion45: I would react the same
17:29 - Lindion45: Because getting angry achieves nothing
17:29 - Lindion45: nor does being rude
17:29 - AndrewWatt96: guess its a mtter of culture
17:29 - AndrewWatt96: different cultures handle things differently
17:30 - AndrewWatt96: i'm socttish so go figure
17:30 - AndrewWatt96: and holy, i just tabbed back into the steam interface i must of missed the pop-up in the corner
17:30 - Lindion45: ;)
17:31 - AndrewWatt96: my inteface isnt even working ahah
17:31 - Lindion45: You're getting some positive stuff, so maybe take your iron sights off the "trolls", and focus on these people that actually want to play your game?
17:31 - AndrewWatt96: cheers for that by the way, im gona sort out my interfact and scoll though this brb
17:31 - AndrewWatt96: interface*
17:32 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
17:32 - AndrewWatt96: aight that should be it fixed now
17:34 - AndrewWatt96: think that just pushed us into the top 100, and this feedback is insane im lovin it
17:34 - Lindion45: Remember to listen to it
17:34 - Lindion45: and ignore the "trolls". Seriously
17:35 - AndrewWatt96: see now, we are dealing with the real community, anyone that comes over from jim sterling wether they say otherwise seriously only has one goal, to cause drama to get him to make follow up video and feature them, its all their out for
17:36 - Lindion45: The bottom line of this situation, is you think there are circumstances where you can treat people like a piece of shit. I disagree. And this different judgement of what is ok is where we can draw the line. I posted the discussion because I felt your response was completely unacceptable. However you feel that if you are provoked, you can lash out, even if you were in the wrong but it didn't feel like it at the time.
17:36 - Lindion45: Is that a fair statement?
17:38 - AndrewWatt96: I'll totally own up to any mistakes I made, lashing out at you was a mistake but a someone honest one given the context of our previous encounters. So for that I applogise. I still do not appreciate that you jumped to conclusions though without discussing it first, especially when you take it public like that
17:38 - AndrewWatt96: you think i deliberatley just lashed out for no reason, no I had good reason given the context
17:38 - AndrewWatt96: smewhat*
17:39 - AndrewWatt96: for anyone else, hell no I'm not sorry. dont come at me like a jackass and you wont be treated like one
17:39 - Lindion45: Well now I know you didn't just lash out for fun, you just didn't read my comment properly. You acted in the "heat of the moment".
17:40 - Lindion45: But I stand on the grounds that you shouldn't even lash out, even if you were justified in what you were saying. Especially to the extent you did
17:40 - Lindion45: (unjustifiedly)
17:40 - AndrewWatt96: and lets face it did i really say anything that bad? twaords your game, its not like i said it was a piece of shit or needs to be scrapped lol
17:40 - AndrewWatt96: it was infact a matter of oppinion that 2d is not for me
17:42 - AndrewWatt96: surely upgrade to 3d is not the worst insult youve had in your time. I never said anything about the game mechanics or anything I simply returned what i thought you were doing, and judged it by its cover
17:42 - Lindion45: I was not remotely insulted by what you said. It's the context it was given in, completely unprovoked. Not only did you insult me as a person, but you just went completely overboard. Even if I was saying that about your game, I don't think a remark anywhere close to what you said would be acceptable
17:43 - Lindion45: Someone else might have been offended
17:43 - Lindion45: you're in a position where if you lash out, it's going to count against you
17:44 - Lindion45: By the looks of it, you've got quite a few enthusiastic players on your side now. So maybe you can forget about the people who dislike your game, and focus on making INFECTION an enjoyable experience for those who are keen to plau
17:44 - Lindion45: play*
17:44 - Lindion45: Without flaming anyone ;)
17:46 - AndrewWatt96: Well I'm sorry for lashing out, but again you should have come to me first before going public
17:47 - AndrewWatt96: im not phycic I cant automatically know your intenions are not what I think
17:47 - Lindion45: What difference would it have made?
17:47 - Lindion45: Well if you'd read my post
17:47 - Lindion45: ;)
17:47 - AndrewWatt96: I did read it and I precieved it in a way you did not intend
17:48 - AndrewWatt96: as I;v explain, given the previous encounter then I read that out of context, its easy to see why I thought you were coming at me
17:48 - Lindion45: Comment number didn't change, but there are new comments at the top
17:49 - Lindion45: And yes, but why would I be having a go at you, after all that effort I made to make sure that things were smooth again?
17:49 - AndrewWatt96: See this is much more effective than asking for votes
17:50 - Lindion45: It is, yes. It's honest, and it doesn't break any rules
17:50 - AndrewWatt96: I don't know man I'm not dropping anynames but I kinda got the impression for some people that thats the kind of person you were, so thought you were coming at me
17:51 - Lindion45: Well, what can I say
17:51 - Lindion45: You misinterpreted me, and then acted out of turn.
17:52 - AndrewWatt96: its a mistake, an honest one that did have the most ermm.... polite... i dont know what word to use, outcome
17:52 - Lindion45: didn't? Or did
17:52 - AndrewWatt96: didnt, just noticed that
17:53 - Lindion45: You must be careful what you say on the internet
17:53 - Lindion45: Who you get angry with
17:53 - Lindion45: I guess you're lucky it was just me
17:53 - Lindion45: and not someone who would do serious damage to you
17:53 - AndrewWatt96: aka Jim fucking sterling son
17:54 - AndrewWatt96: some things said are gona go back to him I know it
17:54 - AndrewWatt96: and im ready for him
17:54 - AndrewWatt96: he can throw all he wants at me
17:54 - Lindion45: How about apologising
17:54 - Lindion45: That's usually the best option
17:55 - Lindion45: When he comes at you with guns blazing, just put your hands up and say: "I'm sorry! I made a mistake. I have learnt from it, and will not make it again."
17:56 - Lindion45: But.. mean it
17:56 - AndrewWatt96: why should I, let's look at the cold hard fact, yes hes a critique. Yes he has the right to critize. When he done Blood of Old hell I thanked him for it, i was top of his comments secont for a while because people loved how i repsonded. But when it comes to greenlight, he can't really pass judgement, play the game first, He's sitting there making 10 GRAND + a month, yet he sits and shits on a developer who is only trying to scratch a living and essentially does serious financial dmamage by shitting on a greenlkight game
17:59 - Lindion45: You have a point, and he has a point.
17:59 - AndrewWatt96: I'm at the point where I cant afford to do this anymore. I either need a miracle to happen with the sales of blood of old or another game to come through greenlight and he effectivly tried to put a show stopper on it
18:00 - Lindion45: He should not be just shitting on greenlight stuff gratuitously, but it was probably way too early for you to be submitting your campaign
18:00 - Lindion45: Even you know that
18:00 - AndrewWatt96: its not cash grabbing, its far from, because 90% of everything I make goes back into my games.
18:01 - Lindion45: So, maybe if you put a lot more work into your games before posting them, he won't shit on them
18:01 - Lindion45: and then everyone is happy
18:01 - Lindion45: I know it's a gamble, but it's a gamble you have to take.
18:01 - Lindion45: If he wasn't shitting, someone else would be.
18:01 - AndrewWatt96: look at blood of mold
18:01 - AndrewWatt96: ahahahahahahaha
18:01 - AndrewWatt96: blood of mold oh god
18:01 - AndrewWatt96: blood of old*
18:02 - AndrewWatt96: I put my heart in soul into that game, yet he still says he considered it for a greenlight showcase
18:02 - AndrewWatt96: whats the difference heart or soul or not
18:02 - AndrewWatt96: he can still shit on you
18:02 - AndrewWatt96: im lucky
18:02 - AndrewWatt96: very lucky he never
18:02 - AndrewWatt96: untill it was passed greenlight
18:03 - AndrewWatt96: blood of old is my baby, it may not be in the best state or whatever but I work my ass of on that shit and there only so much I can do without funding
18:04 - AndrewWatt96: anyway you get a winner, its gona be tough with some of these comments
18:05 - Lindion45: I'll let more people enter first.
18:05 - Lindion45: Probably pick one tomorrow
18:05 - AndrewWatt96: sounds good
18:05 - AndrewWatt96: but yeah I agree with everthing jim sterling does, but greenlight
18:06 - AndrewWatt96: i think he needs to stick with asset flipping and copyright breakers for those
18:06 - AndrewWatt96: because when he does do a greenlight game that not one of the above, people are s used to him covering them, they think it is one of those
18:07 - Lindion45: Well, there's nothing you can do about it. So the best way forward is just to keep progression with your development.
18:07 - Lindion45: Maybe find some other source of funding
18:07 - AndrewWatt96: funding isnt the be all and end all, I'm gona finnish blood of old either way
18:08 - AndrewWatt96: but without funding its gona be nowhere near what i had planned for it
18:08 - AndrewWatt96: I also think infection has potential to go far
18:09 - AndrewWatt96: espeically with co/op multiplayer integrated
18:09 - Lindion45: Well, show us then
18:09 - Lindion45: That's all anyone is asking for
18:16 - AndrewWatt96: i cant help but laught at comments like this
18:16 - AndrewWatt96: Cartman 4 minutes ago
Done plz give me game now plz
18:16 - Lindion45: Welp
18:17 - Lindion45: Some people aren't the brightest sparks.
18:17 - Lindion45: At least he's trying :)
18:17 - Lindion45: It's all we can ask for
18:17 - AndrewWatt96: yeah I had an email from someone elaer who clearly doesnt get the idea of greenlight
18:18 - AndrewWatt96: "I'm a proessional dota 2 player, give me key now or I witch hunt you"
18:18 - AndrewWatt96: seems legit
18:21 - Lindion45: Fun times
18:21 - Lindion45: gotta love the serious threats
20:20 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
20:44 - AndrewWatt96: can i delete comments that say nothing but "done" and "enter"
20:53 - AndrewWatt96: i would hardly call it censorship either but if you disagree i wont
22:26 - Lindion45: Sure
22:26 - Lindion45: They're not gonna win by commenting "Sure"
22:26 - Lindion45: xD
22:26 - Lindion45: enter* or Done* even
22:55 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
19 July 2015
01:36 - AndrewWatt96: one of your fanboys is link spamming me right now with a link to your blog
01:37 - AndrewWatt96: i reserve my right to remove his comments when hes spamming the shit out of me
04:43 - AndrewWatt96 is now Away.
06:37 - Lindion45: Your call. So long as it is not a competition entry
06:37 - Lindion45: So long as I wouldn't possibly deem it as feedback.
14:00 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
14:05 - AndrewWatt96: http://imgur.com/a/9Y7j7
14:05 - AndrewWatt96: thats a little bit of your fanboys work
14:05 - AndrewWatt96: i never managed to get him on the public comments
14:15 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
14:21 - AndrewWatt96: so im getting the offical amdins onboard to come over and delete what they deem fit
14:22 - AndrewWatt96: not censorship by me
14:22 - AndrewWatt96: and I'll also ask them while im at it if what i have been doing is censorship or good moderation practise and I'll let you know if I was right or wrong
14:35 - AndrewWatt96: the admins have stepped in
14:38 - Lindion45: Ooo where
14:39 - Lindion45: That's a big decision you're taking there
14:39 - Lindion45: Because if you win, you win bragging rights that you were correct
14:39 - Lindion45: but if you lose, you might get prevented from going through greenlight. Idk
14:40 - AndrewWatt96: he deleting what he deems fit then pinning a post adressing all users
14:40 - AndrewWatt96: inculding myself
14:40 - Lindion45: Awesome.
14:40 - Lindion45: send me when he does
14:40 - Lindion45: :D
14:41 - AndrewWatt96: he is also going to outline that I have NOT been censoring
14:41 - AndrewWatt96: and only carring out good moderation
14:41 - AndrewWatt96: Well i belive that was what he answered, I guess we willl find out in his post, he is going to adress the cnesorship or moderation issue.
14:41 - Lindion45: "Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.[1]"
14:42 - Lindion45: i.e. deleting comments is censorship
14:48 - AndrewWatt96: man
14:49 - AndrewWatt96: im so happy, in future I'm doing no moderation I'm leaving it for the real people
14:49 - AndrewWatt96: that way theres no grey area
14:49 - Lindion45: Nothing happened yet though?
14:49 - AndrewWatt96: hes typing
14:49 - AndrewWatt96: we have be disussing things
14:49 - Lindion45: oh ok
14:49 - AndrewWatt96: he was basically telling me why he thinks most users are upset
14:50 - Lindion45: I think these guys have better things to do than manage people's greenlight page though
14:50 - Lindion45: And why does he think most users are upset?
14:50 - AndrewWatt96: this isnt just any normal greenlight case though, look at the state of this place
14:50 - Lindion45: Are you saying all future greenlight projects of yours will be like this too?
14:51 - AndrewWatt96: he thinks my wording of concept was bad. He thinks users are tired of concepts on greenlight. To which I explained, I only used the wording concept because everyone seemed to think that pre-alpha means finished.
14:52 - AndrewWatt96: he advised to to provide a demo link
14:52 - AndrewWatt96: so that users feel the game is more than just words on paper
14:53 - Lindion45: Well, can't disagree
14:53 - Lindion45: But didn't you say that the game was in fact concept, and you were only putting it up in it's state because you didn't know whether to complete it or not, based on whether people would like it?
14:54 - AndrewWatt96: no its a playable game, I could infact demo link it right now, the question is would that bee a good idea in its current state. It's still in what I like to call a concept state
14:54 - Lindion45: placeholder
14:54 - AndrewWatt96: where only the barebones of the game are functional, and the rest is still a WIP
14:55 - Lindion45: That is a concept
14:55 - AndrewWatt96: still a playable game though
14:56 - AndrewWatt96: theres like 3 or 4 nights worth of waves, functioning out of the intended 50. The gun is still in a placeholder state with sounds and no animation, zombies are still WIP just basic functioning
14:56 - Lindion45: Considering those are key parts of gameplay, surely you should have worked on those first to present in the trailer?
14:57 - AndrewWatt96: well the gun was a last minute additon
14:57 - Lindion45: in... a zombie game?
14:57 - AndrewWatt96: i wasnt sure to have a gun or not
14:57 - Lindion45: ?!
14:57 - AndrewWatt96: its more a straegy game
14:57 - AndrewWatt96: where your focus is management
14:57 - AndrewWatt96: of the troops and city
14:57 - AndrewWatt96: it was a very last minute spin to make it FPS also
14:58 - AndrewWatt96: jut like blood of old, statred as a strategy game
14:58 - AndrewWatt96: at the very last minute I made that RPG/Strategy
14:58 - AndrewWatt96: so infection is FPS/Strategy
14:58 - AndrewWatt96: i like mixing my genres ahah
14:59 - AndrewWatt96: but yeah it was very almost a overhead game for infection, just moving your troops around etc and managing as the waves come in
15:01 - AndrewWatt96: hell this guy must be writting a novel, he's still writting
15:01 - Lindion45: damn son
15:02 - AndrewWatt96: i believe he is removing some stff too
15:02 - AndrewWatt96: so it cant be censoriship lol
15:03 - Lindion45: It is censorship, but it's done by a very high authority
15:03 - AndrewWatt96: if something has to go, it has to go
15:03 - Lindion45: So one can hope it's justified
15:07 - AndrewWatt96: and you were saying earlier if I'm wrong with this call it could stop me getting greenlight
15:07 - AndrewWatt96: well thats the risk you take
15:08 - AndrewWatt96: but I've mantianed the same postion since the beginning of all this
15:08 - Lindion45: It won't necessarily, but it flags it as an issye
15:08 - AndrewWatt96: im right and what I'm doing is 100% JUSTIFIED
15:08 - AndrewWatt96: im 100% confident to call these people in with nothing to fear
15:08 - Lindion45: Alright lol
15:08 - Lindion45: Your call xD
15:09 - AndrewWatt96: maybe not as far as lashing out, thats somewhat more ofan unprofessional take on things
15:09 - AndrewWatt96: i mean along the lines of me removing problematic users from comments etc
15:10 - Lindion45: Our disagreement of what's acceptable, lies on the line of what you consider "problematic"
15:11 - AndrewWatt96: spamming for 1, repeatedly posting the same stuff/links
15:11 - Lindion45: Yeah, but they wouldn't if you didn't delete it in the firstplace lol
15:12 - AndrewWatt96: trolling for 2, blatant spreading of false information to provoke other users to react, or direct trolling of other users
15:12 - Lindion45: Half of the problem, is caused by you deleting their complaints, which in turn just gives them more to complain about
15:12 - Lindion45: If they perceive the information to be correct, they are not trolling
15:12 - Lindion45: they are informing
15:13 - Lindion45: so instead of trying to cover them up
15:13 - Lindion45: why not try to enlighten them with words of wisdom.
15:13 - Lindion45: Surely then your whole problem would go away?
15:13 - AndrewWatt96: 2 seconds brb this mod is about to post
15:14 - Lindion45: :O
15:14 - Lindion45: link me when he does
15:17 - Lindion45: brb
15:17 - AndrewWatt96: http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/480544046/535150948609060469/
23:09 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: OH MY
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: i was in my middle of writitng a long reply to your post the one you were outraged at being deleted
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: the so called "crtisims"
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: when this happened
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: This topic was deleted by DarthWound; 11 minutes ago
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: ahahahahahha
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: boom bitch.
23:14 - AndrewWatt96: end of
23:15 - AndrewWatt96: that massive one, yeah turns out I had every right removing it.
23:16 - AndrewWatt96: http://imgur.com/d2YeW6v
23:16 - AndrewWatt96: put that in your pipe and smoke it
20 July 2015
00:23 - Lindion45: You were told by him to start acting maturely?
00:24 - AndrewWatt96: in public this aint public...
00:25 - Lindion45: Right. I can make it public if you'd like?
00:25 - AndrewWatt96: lol ;)
00:26 - Lindion45: Seriously though, he asked you to stop with the crap. It's only what I've been asking you to do.
00:26 - Lindion45: Why did you put all the threads into lockdown, and why did you delete 14 topics
00:27 - AndrewWatt96: because 1 the 14 topic are utter useless
00:27 - AndrewWatt96: tell me which one is helpful
00:27 - Lindion45: Maybe to you
00:27 - AndrewWatt96: we already proved your thoughts of "helpful" were deemed unfit by a mod
00:27 - Lindion45: The one the mod just deleted is useful. It's an opinion, along side suggestions
00:28 - Lindion45: He may have been insulting, but that's freedom of speech.
00:28 - Lindion45: I have a screengrab of it
00:28 - AndrewWatt96: i also have a screen grab of the moderater deleitng it ;)
00:28 - Lindion45: yes
00:28 - AndrewWatt96: if think thats the one you should use other than misinforming people like you are used to doing
00:29 - Lindion45: I'll just say that a mod deleted it, if it ever comes up. I'm not gonna lie lol
00:29 - Lindion45: It doesn't hide the fact that you deleted all of them and locked the others
00:29 - Lindion45: like
00:29 - Lindion45: whaaat
00:30 - AndrewWatt96: im finding all this rather entertaining
00:30 - Lindion45: Wonderful.
00:30 - AndrewWatt96: people got scared
00:30 - Lindion45: No they didn't
00:30 - AndrewWatt96: look how little came over infornt of the mod
00:31 - AndrewWatt96: pathetic.
00:31 - Lindion45: Yeah in the space of 20 minutes
00:31 - Lindion45: before he told you to get your act together and unlock them
00:31 - Lindion45: Why was locking the topics necessary?
00:31 - AndrewWatt96: because why not?
00:31 - AndrewWatt96: people like to troll
00:32 - AndrewWatt96: so im gona troll back
00:32 - Lindion45: So you were trolling your community
00:32 - AndrewWatt96: already discussed this
00:32 - AndrewWatt96: not my community
00:32 - Lindion45: Oh dear.
00:32 - AndrewWatt96: which one of those people is going to buy my games or even support the development?
00:32 - AndrewWatt96: to e honest
00:32 - Lindion45: Well to start with, none of the ones you treat like dirt!
00:32 - AndrewWatt96: they could all leave right now and tell all their friends to leave and never buy the games
00:33 - AndrewWatt96: think it would affect me?
00:33 - Lindion45: Yes
00:33 - AndrewWatt96: such a minortiy its unreal
00:33 - Lindion45: it would have an impact
00:33 - AndrewWatt96: I dont need them
00:33 - AndrewWatt96: and never will
00:33 - Lindion45: Alright then
00:34 - AndrewWatt96: blood of old is doing fantastic
00:34 - AndrewWatt96: did any of them buy it
00:34 - AndrewWatt96: did any of them support it
00:34 - AndrewWatt96: no
00:34 - AndrewWatt96: so why do i need them now?
00:34 - Lindion45: You don't know that.
00:34 - AndrewWatt96: II do know that
00:35 - AndrewWatt96: seriously
00:35 - AndrewWatt96: all leave.
00:35 - AndrewWatt96: see if it affect me
00:36 - AndrewWatt96: its funny how you think the ENTIRE steam community is this group of what 20 people
00:36 - AndrewWatt96: and your steam gifts people
00:36 - AndrewWatt96: grand total of aht maybe 200 people?
00:36 - AndrewWatt96: in the vast scale of things
00:36 - AndrewWatt96: why do i need these people who cause me such harm.
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: 200 out of millions
00:37 - Lindion45: You're the one that caused yourself harm
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: bye bye
00:37 - Lindion45: by treating the community the way you did.
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: dont need them
00:37 - Lindion45: So that makes it ok?
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: yes because for one
00:37 - Lindion45: Because you don't need them, you treat them all like shit?
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: why the fuck they even in my forums
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: get a grip go do something better with your life
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: vote no
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: leave a decent comment a go
00:37 - AndrewWatt96: not sit there spamming the shit out of me with useless comments
00:38 - Lindion45: Why bother, you'd only delete it ;)
00:38 - AndrewWatt96: well why care
00:38 - AndrewWatt96: the no vote is what matters
00:38 - AndrewWatt96: why do these people who are never even going to buy my game, why do they care what the outcome is
00:38 - AndrewWatt96: theyll never play it
00:38 - AndrewWatt96: the people that do will enjoy it
00:38 - AndrewWatt96: their loss as far as im concerned
00:38 - AndrewWatt96: so take a hike, the lot of them
00:40 - AndrewWatt96: its still seriously funny though#
00:40 - AndrewWatt96: how you think this TINY group of people are the community
00:40 - AndrewWatt96: and even affect me in anyway
00:40 - Lindion45: Is this a joke to you? Like, seriously
00:40 - Lindion45: is it funny to you, that you treated these people like shit
00:40 - AndrewWatt96: no they treated me like shit
00:40 - AndrewWatt96: so as far as im concerned... bolt
00:41 - Lindion45: They treated you like shit, by... sharing their opinion?
00:41 - Lindion45: The topic you got that mod to delete.
00:41 - Lindion45: It's an opinion.
00:41 - AndrewWatt96: hold up
00:41 - AndrewWatt96: i never got him to do anything.
00:41 - AndrewWatt96: he deemed it unfit
00:41 - AndrewWatt96: so he deleted it
00:41 - AndrewWatt96: I wasnt even aware
00:42 - Lindion45: Um no, there's a yellow flag on it. That means you reported it
00:42 - Lindion45: Send me a screenshot of the reported posts
00:42 - AndrewWatt96: thats why i typed a huge ass reply and got an error trying to post
00:42 - AndrewWatt96: I dont have access to reported posts
00:43 - AndrewWatt96: and yes I flagged it, just like iv flagged multiple others did he delete them all?
00:43 - AndrewWatt96: do moderators delete anything flagged?
00:43 - Lindion45: So.... you asked him to delete it
00:43 - AndrewWatt96: no of course not thats stupid logic
00:43 - AndrewWatt96: he deemed it unfit.
00:43 - Lindion45: No, he said to report anything you didn't want to deal with yourself
00:43 - AndrewWatt96: also he and you both stated previously
00:44 - AndrewWatt96: flagged posts only report to me
00:44 - AndrewWatt96: the creator of the page
00:44 - AndrewWatt96: which is why nothing happend when it got flagged the first time
00:44 - AndrewWatt96: he told me to report it with a link an he would investiagte
00:44 - AndrewWatt96: i never linked him
00:44 - AndrewWatt96: he deemd it unfit.
00:45 - Lindion45: You reported it. Therefore you asked him to delete it
00:45 - AndrewWatt96: and rightfully so.
00:45 - Lindion45: 00:41 - AndrewWatt96: i never got him to do anything.
00:45 - Lindion45: So that is a lie
00:45 - AndrewWatt96: no because i never got him to do shit
00:45 - AndrewWatt96: he done it of his own accord
00:45 - AndrewWatt96: ask him
00:45 - AndrewWatt96: why dont you add him
00:45 - AndrewWatt96: ask him
00:45 - AndrewWatt96: huh?
00:45 - Lindion45: You highlighted it to him.
00:46 - Lindion45: Fine, you're being rather padantic on my wording here.
00:46 - AndrewWatt96: and how did i do that
00:46 - Lindion45: You didn't "get" him to do it
00:46 - Lindion45: you "asked" him to do it
00:46 - AndrewWatt96: how
00:46 - AndrewWatt96: explain how.
00:46 - AndrewWatt96: and even if i did "ask" him
00:46 - AndrewWatt96: why did he follow through
00:46 - Lindion45: Because that's what he told you to do. Any posts that were troubling you, he told you to report to him
00:46 - AndrewWatt96: to think he deletes anyhting he is asked to is utterly retarded logic to say the least
00:47 - Lindion45: and he'd deal with it
00:47 - Lindion45: No I didn't say that did I
00:47 - AndrewWatt96: so why hasnt he deleted all the other things i flagged?
00:47 - AndrewWatt96: going by this logic?
00:47 - AndrewWatt96: he if anything has deleted more unflagged than flagged
00:47 - Lindion45: I don't know.
00:47 - Lindion45: The whole thing is a mess
00:47 - AndrewWatt96: end of story. A moderator deemed it unfit and rightfully so.
00:48 - Lindion45: Continuing on my point, before this segway
00:48 - Lindion45: It was an opinion
00:48 - AndrewWatt96: which part of that post was helpful
00:48 - Lindion45: and you flagged it to be deleted
00:48 - AndrewWatt96: how is flasy accusing me of stealing scripts and telling me my games is the worst game on greenlight helpful?
00:48 - Lindion45: It's not even about that, you're taking away the rights of free speech
00:48 - AndrewWatt96: how inany possible form of the word
00:48 - AndrewWatt96: hoiw?
00:48 - Lindion45: Well he said something, and you asked for it to be silence
00:48 - Lindion45: d
00:48 - AndrewWatt96: you are sriously cluthing at sraws now and its reall pathetic and funny to watch
00:49 - Lindion45: I'm glad you're getting a kick out of it, anyway.
00:49 - AndrewWatt96: its hilarous man
00:49 - Lindion45: Aight.
00:49 - AndrewWatt96: a moderator deems a post unfit
00:49 - AndrewWatt96: "ANdrewWatt96 CENRORS POST."
00:49 - AndrewWatt96: hell yeah run that story if you wish
00:49 - AndrewWatt96: lol
00:50 - Lindion45: Will do.
00:50 - Lindion45: thanks for the permission
00:50 - AndrewWatt96: see if i care. and it wasnt really permission but at this point i really couldnt give a fuck about your website lol or steamgifts for that fact
00:51 - Lindion45: Well I don't need permission to post screenshots
00:51 - Lindion45: But, it's nice to have it
00:51 - AndrewWatt96: little lindion night in shining armour coming the the entire steam community of like 20 peoples aid
00:51 - AndrewWatt96: such a hero
00:51 - AndrewWatt96: knight*
00:51 - Lindion45: yeah, nice one.
00:52 - AndrewWatt96: 20 people
00:52 - AndrewWatt96: lol
00:52 - AndrewWatt96: entire steam community
00:52 - AndrewWatt96: GREAT LOIC
00:52 - AndrewWatt96: LOGIC*
00:52 - Lindion45: I think your figures might be a little off, but not to worry.
00:52 - Lindion45: If you think you're invincible, we'll put it to the test.
00:53 - Lindion45: I just... don't even know how to respond
00:53 - Lindion45: Where do I start?
00:53 - AndrewWatt96: niether do I becuse its downright and uttelrly hilarious
00:53 - Lindion45: mhm.
00:54 - Lindion45: Well, put it this way.
00:54 - Lindion45: If a potential customer was to see everything that has happened in the last 2 days, regarding you and your escapades.
00:54 - Lindion45: I very much doubt they'd purchase your game.
00:55 - AndrewWatt96: their choice, brillaint thing about free will sint it
00:55 - Lindion45: How is that... relevant
00:56 - AndrewWatt96: nbecause I also have free will, and you nor Jim Sterling can threaten me or tell me to do something I dont want to do.
00:56 - Lindion45: When did I threaten you
00:56 - Lindion45: When did Jim threaten you?
00:57 - AndrewWatt96: AndrewWatt96: in public this aint public...
Lindion45: Right. I can make it public if you'd like?
AndrewWatt96: lol ;)
00:57 - Lindion45: That wasn't a threat?
00:58 - AndrewWatt96: I think youll find it is.
00:58 - AndrewWatt96: in a court of law im sure it would be too
00:58 - AndrewWatt96: leaking private communications
00:58 - Lindion45: If you consider what you tell me in this chat to be clean, then you would in no possible conceivable way could consider it a threat
00:58 - Lindion45: Haha
00:58 - Lindion45: have you read the steam terms of service
00:59 - AndrewWatt96: regarding private chat? no
00:59 - Lindion45: it says something like "messages sent via the chat are to be considered public"
01:00 - AndrewWatt96: unless you can quote that accuratley you cant act upon it.
01:00 - AndrewWatt96: same as a police officer, he cant accuratley quote a law. he cant act on it
01:01 - AndrewWatt96: ask yourself this.
01:01 - AndrewWatt96: what do you gain from this?
01:01 - AndrewWatt96: if anything you cause a minor stir and I contiue as normal
01:01 - AndrewWatt96: wht do you or anyone else invovled gain?
01:01 - AndrewWatt96: certaainly doesnt stop me or deter me from my goals.
01:02 - AndrewWatt96: i guess it could be considered a promotional method for yourself, but then again is it really the best one?
01:02 - Lindion45: How does this promote me, in any way lol
01:02 - AndrewWatt96: well what else do you want
01:03 - AndrewWatt96: are you hpoing to smite me down and put an end to me?
01:03 - AndrewWatt96: isnt gona stp me.
01:03 - Lindion45: I just wanted to see your colours
01:03 - Lindion45: And by the way, here's the chat thing
01:03 - Lindion45: http://i.imgur.com/mOFzyS9.png
01:03 - AndrewWatt96: gona take alot more thn jim sterling and whatever people you can conjour
01:04 - Lindion45: So uh, unless you consider me saying that I'd share public information a threat, I did not threaten you.
01:04 - Lindion45: So, that's a false accusation from you.
01:04 - AndrewWatt96: whatever dude have your little moment of fame
01:05 - AndrewWatt96: i dont really care anymore you clealrhy need it
01:05 - AndrewWatt96: isnt gona stop me in anyway shape or form
01:05 - Lindion45: Well, I'll be the first to purchase your game
01:05 - Lindion45: let me tell you
01:05 - Lindion45: B)
01:07 - AndrewWatt96: if thats someway supposed to imply that noone else but you will buy it, the whatever
01:07 - AndrewWatt96: then*
01:07 - Lindion45: It wasn't
01:07 - Lindion45: but, interpret it how you want.
01:07 - Lindion45: as soon as your game goes live, ka-ching. +1 sale
01:08 - Lindion45: My game's library will be infected ;)
01:08 - Lindion45: see what I did there
01:08 - AndrewWatt96: ahahah better watch it doesnt spead
01:08 - AndrewWatt96: spread*
01:08 - Lindion45: Well, we'll just have to see.
01:09 - AndrewWatt96: anyway, I sand by everything I said, make it public if you want it clealry brings you some sort of joy or pleasure or something. Dosnt affect me either way so do as you wish.
01:10 - Lindion45: I just like to keep a momento of things I've found
01:10 - Lindion45: it seems people enjoy them too, so I don't intend to stop.
01:10 - Lindion45: I'm glad to hear it won't affect you
01:11 - AndrewWatt96: wouldnt stop you even if it did affect me
01:11 - AndrewWatt96: youd still do it.
01:11 - Lindion45: probably yeah. But as you say
01:11 - Lindion45: it doesn't
01:11 - Lindion45: ;)
01:11 - Lindion45: So it's all good.
01:12 - Lindion45: Anyway, it's been wonderful talking to you
01:12 - Lindion45: I must sleep
01:12 - AndrewWatt96: yeah man feel free
01:12 - Lindion45: Maybe we'll talk tomorrow, idk
01:12 - AndrewWatt96: to make it ppublic
01:12 - AndrewWatt96: not sleep ahah
01:12 - AndrewWatt96: i wasnt implying you couldnt sleep ahah
01:12 - AndrewWatt96: anyway, yeah see ya
01:12 - Lindion45: Well, thank you for permission to sleep
01:13 - Lindion45: I appreciate that as well.
01:13 - Lindion45: It gives me comfort
01:13 - AndrewWatt96: lol
13:33 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
13:55 - AndrewWatt96: again
13:55 - AndrewWatt96: i never asked him to do this
13:55 - AndrewWatt96: this moderators is completley oin free reign right now
13:55 - AndrewWatt96: http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/480544046/535150948611708921/
14:02 - AndrewWatt96: also one of the users who i openly told to leave on multiple occasions darthwound also sorted that
14:02 - AndrewWatt96: [Pn'] Vlux (Banned)
14:03 - Lindion45: He gave you feedback too.
14:03 - Lindion45: In vast quantities
14:03 - AndrewWatt96: doubt it
14:03 - Lindion45: You doubt he gave you feedback>?
14:03 - AndrewWatt96: yep
14:04 - Lindion45: Second project, you're right, the first being Blood of Old. I do apologize then, as I should have posted this in THAT forum. The point still stands, Potential goes both ways. Saying a game is good because it has potential is like saying that dough could be good because it might be a pizza. And the pizza could be made poorly or made well, it can have things on it you like, don't like or shouldn't be on it. Sounds like a foolish simile? Well, if I'm going to spend money, I'd want it to be on something I like and damn well would expect it to be something made well.

Second of all: Blood of Old does not look like ANYWHERE NEAR a finished product. Yes, it is early access, but are you seriously going to tell me that you expect this to be greenlit and people to enjoy both your games with this looks as awful as it does for "pre alpha" and Blood of Old is still in "Early Access"? No. You say you are one person. A single person. And there is only so much a single person can do. So why are you telling your friends, fans and other forum go-ers that you are planning to release two games? To me and a LOT of other people, this screams that you are focusing on making product rather than art, that you are focusing on quanity rather than quality, and it looks bad anyway you cut it. Finish Blood of Old. If you need money, put it on sale and keep at it, make it feel like you are actually giving a ♥♥♥♥ about your games rather than trying to put as much crap on Steam as possible. We're good on crap.

Third: The idea of "Making it myself". I'm working on a game. And I have a lot of games in my head, but I'm not putting any ideas forward until I have something respectable to show. I'm also working with friends on the subject because I have weaknesses that I am sure they can overcome. When time comes we will release a game and if we put it in early access, we want to make sure the core game play is there and the items are good, but will hear from the community on balancing and adding small extra things. What Jim Sterling posted and-
14:05 - Lindion45: That to me looks like feedback
14:05 - AndrewWatt96: annnnnnnd
14:05 - AndrewWatt96: how does that help me
14:05 - AndrewWatt96: seems like an aimless rant
14:05 - Lindion45: "Second of all: Blood of Old does not look like ANYWHERE NEAR a finished product."
14:06 - Lindion45: That is feedback
14:06 - AndrewWatt96: has he played blood of old or his he basing is logic off an extreemly outated jim sterling video.
14:06 - AndrewWatt96: again
14:06 - AndrewWatt96: not feedback
14:06 - AndrewWatt96: you cant say something like that when you have no clue what you are talking about
14:07 - Lindion45: Clearly he does know what he's talking abou
14:07 - AndrewWatt96: from a 4 verisous and like 10 hotfixes outdate jim sterling video and never having played the game
14:07 - AndrewWatt96: seeeeems legit...
14:08 - AndrewWatt96: its like me truning round and trying to tell you how to play ducktards
14:09 - Lindion45: That is wonderful feedback. What are you expecting when you read criticism
14:09 - AndrewWatt96: i aint got a clue, i aint played it
14:09 - AndrewWatt96: i cant effectivly tell you how to play that game
14:09 - AndrewWatt96: because i dont know what im talking about
14:09 - AndrewWatt96: therefore the same goes for anyone else trying to make an effective statement
14:10 - Lindion45: No you can't. But he's basing his opinion on the gameplay trailer. Which is all anyone has to go with. So unless you think that criticism is not allowed until people have played....?
14:10 - Lindion45: What do you consider to be good criticism.
14:10 - AndrewWatt96: so tell me
14:10 - AndrewWatt96: what proog do you have
14:10 - AndrewWatt96: proof*
14:10 - AndrewWatt96: that he even went and watched the trailer.
14:10 - AndrewWatt96: the NEW trailer
14:10 - AndrewWatt96: and not jim sterlings outdated outlook on things.
14:11 - AndrewWatt96: i think my point here has been proven
14:12 - Lindion45: Well considering that you posted the new trailer a day before he posted his review, and that he mentions he looked at the trailer in his review
14:12 - Lindion45: I think you could assume he watched it.
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: wait the blood of old trailer?
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: wasnt posted a day before his review
14:13 - Lindion45: No....... dude
14:13 - Lindion45: The infection trailer
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: yes and where does he evn mention  infection ahahhaa
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: ahah
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: he doesnt
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: its talking about blood of old which he has no clue about
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: and how he ismaking some shitty game tat i could care less about
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: aimless rant.
14:14 - Lindion45: He has posted it in your forum, talking about your logos and screenshots.
14:14 - Lindion45: On the infection discussions.
14:14 - Lindion45: He is talking about infection.
14:14 - AndrewWatt96: i aint going back there
14:14 - Lindion45: What?
14:15 - AndrewWatt96: im not going back
14:15 - AndrewWatt96: to look
14:15 - Lindion45: So you accept he provided informative feedback to your game, twice, yet you ban him and tell him to leave?
14:15 - AndrewWatt96: ill read any new threads, but the old ones are infected
14:16 - AndrewWatt96: I never banned him
14:16 - AndrewWatt96: nor did i imply for him to be banned
14:16 - AndrewWatt96: so his actions cspeak volumes
14:16 - Lindion45: So any feedback provided before yesterday, is considered invalid by you then?
14:16 - AndrewWatt96: if eh is the ONLY user darth wound has band
14:17 - Lindion45: Why don't you show Darth that feedback, and ask him if he should remain banned?
14:17 - AndrewWatt96: darth has read everything
14:17 - AndrewWatt96: and made his choice
14:17 - Lindion45: Just to be sure
14:17 - AndrewWatt96: so guess your outlook is wrong again
14:17 - AndrewWatt96: same with that other feedback
14:17 - AndrewWatt96: or "feedback"
14:17 - AndrewWatt96: deemed unfit
14:17 - AndrewWatt96: by a global moderator
14:18 - AndrewWatt96: and
14:18 - AndrewWatt96: looks like he went and deleted 90% of the things i had deleted anyway
14:18 - AndrewWatt96: after I undeleted them all
14:18 - AndrewWatt96: so turns out my actions were 90% justified
14:18 - Lindion45: So 8 = 17?
14:19 - AndrewWatt96: you have to remember theres alot of new threads
14:20 - Lindion45: What is new, as of after your deleting? All of these post dates are from the 19th, 8pm ish and before
14:21 - Lindion45: I can't find one that was posted after you undeleted everything
14:22 - AndrewWatt96: well if you consider liuke 9 threads were posted during the time of the lock down where I openly stated ANY thread no matter what it was was getting deleted
14:22 - AndrewWatt96: then they dont count
14:23 - AndrewWatt96: that was a move to force everone to the mod thread
14:23 - AndrewWatt96: so people couldnt just make a new thread and ifest that
14:23 - Lindion45: Which the mod told you not to do, and undid it
14:24 - AndrewWatt96: he didnt undo shit
14:24 - AndrewWatt96: i done it of my free will to prove a point and looks like it worked
14:24 - AndrewWatt96: he nuked pretty much everything anyways
14:26 - AndrewWatt96: im guessing this is why your little feedback friend got banned
14:26 - AndrewWatt96: http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/480544046/535150948599600486/
14:26 - AndrewWatt96: seems like the best feedback i ever saw
14:26 - Lindion45: Yeah, that was after his feedback
14:26 - Lindion45: 2 days later
14:27 - AndrewWatt96: doesnt matter
14:27 - Lindion45: Yes it does omg
14:27 - AndrewWatt96: break the rule break the rule.
14:27 - AndrewWatt96: his feedback was a pile of shit anyway
14:27 - AndrewWatt96: helped me in no way.
14:28 - Lindion45: People are trying to help you here, but I don't think you see it
14:28 - AndrewWatt96: show me where it gelped
14:28 - AndrewWatt96: helped*
14:28 - AndrewWatt96: show me?
14:29 - AndrewWatt96: you think I have time to listen to some idiots aimless rant about things he has no idea what hes talking about
14:29 - AndrewWatt96: waste of my time
14:29 - Lindion45: He is giving you advice on when to release a game, if you don't want criticism
14:29 - AndrewWatt96: id rather be reading proper feedback
14:29 - Lindion45: what do you consider proper feedback
14:30 - AndrewWatt96: and why should I listen to his advice if i clealry know what I am doing?
14:30 - AndrewWatt96: he doesnt know when and when not to release games
14:30 - AndrewWatt96: so  how does that help me?
14:30 - AndrewWatt96: he doesnt know my agenda
14:30 - Lindion45: You don't have to listen to anyone's advice. But people are entitled to say it
14:31 - AndrewWatt96: well in his case it was useless
14:31 - Lindion45: In your opinion
14:31 - AndrewWatt96: and yes a pile of shit, also deemed by a global moderator
14:31 - Lindion45: He took the time to help you, yet all you did was ban him.
14:31 - AndrewWatt96: i never done shit
14:31 - AndrewWatt96: you seem to think im darthwound now lol
14:31 - AndrewWatt96: oh wait
14:31 - AndrewWatt96: yeah
14:32 - AndrewWatt96: i did ban him from the blood of old forums for calling me a monkey
14:32 - AndrewWatt96: never banned him from infection
14:32 - Lindion45: My point is, if you don't listen to your community, then they won't buy your game, because they're telling you want they want from it.
14:33 - AndrewWatt96: again show me who is my community in this select group of people?
14:33 - Lindion45: Your community is anyone who has a steam account
14:33 - AndrewWatt96: why should i listen to these people who aint ever gona buy the game or be part of its development
14:33 - AndrewWatt96: these 20or so people
14:33 - AndrewWatt96: arent my cmmunity
14:34 - AndrewWatt96: i couldnt care less about their advice, or even if they buy the game
14:34 - AndrewWatt96: the result was same from the beginning
14:34 - AndrewWatt96: they were never gona buy.
14:34 - AndrewWatt96: tell me
14:34 - Lindion45: He took the time to give his feedback, so he clearly had some interest. People who are interested in your game, will see how you deal with criticism, and potentially change their mind about purchase.
14:34 - AndrewWatt96: at which point in time
14:35 - AndrewWatt96: where any of these people evr gona support the development of my game
14:35 - AndrewWatt96: at which point in time
14:35 - AndrewWatt96: never
14:35 - AndrewWatt96: so why should i care what they have to say.
14:35 - AndrewWatt96: id rather focus on the poeple who are going to buy and what they want
14:35 - Lindion45: If you're so sure of where you want to go and how you want it to turn out and it will be fine, then just ignore the criticism. But don't delete / ban it
14:35 - AndrewWatt96: why should soeone who isnt going to buy effect the experience of someone who is? really doesnt make sense
14:36 - Lindion45: brb.
14:36 - AndrewWatt96: its like you ordering food and me telling the waitor how to make the food you just paid for
14:36 - AndrewWatt96: doesnt make any fucking sense ahah
15:29 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
15:52 - Lindion45: No, it's like inventing a recipy, and then ignoring the people you asked to try it
15:52 - AndrewWatt96: but im not ignoring the people who are trying it
15:52 - AndrewWatt96: im ingore the people who arnt trying it...
15:53 - Lindion45: Well in that sense, no one is "trying it"
15:53 - Lindion45: People are just looking at the ingredients you're using
15:54 - AndrewWatt96: regardless, from the specfic handful of 10 or so people in question iv seen nothing usefull
15:55 - AndrewWatt96: why should I alter a recipy for people who are never going to try the final thing
15:55 - AndrewWatt96: waste of time
15:56 - AndrewWatt96: may aswlel alter it for the people who are going to/want to try it
16:00 - AndrewWatt96: if you think thats the community you are wrong
16:00 - AndrewWatt96: http://steamcommunity.com/app/382240/discussions/
16:00 - AndrewWatt96: is the community
16:00 - AndrewWatt96: for my game anyway
16:01 - AndrewWatt96: if people dont want to be part of that then fine
16:01 - AndrewWatt96: free will
16:11 - AndrewWatt96 is now Online.
16:12 - AndrewWatt96: but i ask you
16:12 - AndrewWatt96: why should i ever pay attention to haters of the games?
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09:30 - AndrewWatt96: jim is scared to make another video about me ahah, I told him its alright though he can do it
09:30 - AndrewWatt96: https://www.facebook.com/jimsterling0/photos/a.1426005507618792.1073741828.1425973657621977/1685220115030662/?type=1&theater
10:10 - AndrewWatt96: no doubt youll have a million things to say on the situation
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10:34 - AndrewWatt96: is that the best, I was expecting a bit more than that ahah
10:34 - Lindion45: It covers enough
10:34 - AndrewWatt96: but yeah
10:34 - AndrewWatt96: jim = no research
10:35 - AndrewWatt96: he doesnt even know im the blood of old developr
10:35 - AndrewWatt96: because hes doesnt need to research wehn getting 10k a month
10:36 - AndrewWatt96: he just feeds off what people tell him
10:36 - AndrewWatt96: and before you screencap and post it
10:37 - AndrewWatt96: and already said that direct to him in my post
10:37 - AndrewWatt96: I already*
10:37 - Lindion45: It's alright, I'm not gonna post anything until something happens
10:38 - AndrewWatt96: I'm hoping now that jim replies, or makes a video adresses his viwers then for all I care he can say/do whatever he wants about me
10:38 - AndrewWatt96: deal with his viewers first though.
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14:07 - AndrewWatt96: also speaking to a lawyer friend of mine
14:07 - AndrewWatt96: jim has no legal standing if it were to go to court
14:08 - AndrewWatt96: jim would claim "fair use" as he always does
14:08 - AndrewWatt96: but in order to claim "fair use" you need to accredit the orignal content owners
14:08 - AndrewWatt96: nowhere in his videos does he credit me, or descriptions
14:08 - AndrewWatt96: his "fiar use" claim would fall harder than a bag of rock into the ocean
14:09 - AndrewWatt96: AndrewWatt96: he cant try take me to court or anything can he? for threats to dmca, because it my fucking content lol
AndrewWatt96: he has the money for court, i dont
wdtgaming: as far as i am aware, because of the fact he did not make you aware of the video being made, he can't defend himself on there as it is early stages where it could and/or will be improved upon and he has critically and intentionally made a hate campaign against it and beyond that, you also have the content created by your computer (the upload will have a digitial trail which would back this claim up) and then would land him in a copyrighted lawsuit as he did not even mentioned your name during either of the 2 videos therefor by copyright laws, he did not nor did he intend to credit the rightful owner, thus leaves him with a lawsuit of copyrighting data
AndrewWatt96: yeah becuase underfair use you need to credit the owner
AndrewWatt96: so he cant claim fiar use
wdtgaming: exactly
wdtgaming: bud, i'd step away from the facebook debate, they are so narrow minded whatever you say is going to be turned around and somehow used against you, i have noticed Jim has yet to reply after he flat out falsely accused you
14:11 - AndrewWatt96: so with that I wash my hands
14:12 - AndrewWatt96: no threats where made, and if he decides to percieve them as threats, then theres nothing he can really do
14:13 - AndrewWatt96: apart from encourage his viewers to spam me more
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