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  1. Lesta Nediam LNC2016-03-02 2215 +Maarten van Baggum
  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJWhWaOI5hQ&lc=z130wp5g5w3kvft2022vyp35tzyjebacn
  3. https://pastebin.com/GknkaZBs
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  10. +Maarten van Baggum __ *NOTE:* You are asked two questions near the end of this message/reply. There is a reason I asked you to provide "earthquake data". Both you and "MomoTheBellyDancer" seem VERY committed to the belief that EVERYTHING IS REAL. *Everything is real to the mentally ill.* And much like a paranoid person who believes everyone is stalking them you appear to have no ability to successfully rule anything out. *It's all real.* You blindly trust what the television says and you unquestioningly accept proof's appearances instead of actual proof.
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  18. Of course there is "earthquake data" that described the alleged event. *Can you really imagine a situation where it wouldn't be the case?* Do you believe that if the event were faked then such obvious and basic data would risk being omitted by those enacting the fraud?! Hahaha _oh my._
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  26. So why did I ask you? Pay attention dummies: *If an earthquake really did happen then we can expect to see it described in the seismological numbers like that which you have provided.* But the presence of seismological data in-and-of itself *does not prove* an earthquake really happened. It is at best supporting evidence but it is not *crucial evidence.* On its own it is not *sufficient proof.* It does not follow that the existence of the numbers means the earthquake really happened.
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  34. However - _like so many other low IQ people_ - you are forever *reasoning backwards.*
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  42. *Pay attention:* >> *According to you "if the numbers exist" then "what those numbers describe or represent must also have really happened".* <<
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  50. Anyone who has ever "cooked the books" to carry out some kind of fraud wants the business owner or tax department to believe that "everything is in order". When a person looks at the numbers they all appear to add up. But having numbers that appear to describe an event or situation *does not mean that event or situation is genuine.* _Otherwise no one would ever go to jail for cooking the books!_
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  58. You think that "if the numbers exist" then it "must have happened". So how can it be that there really are people in jail for "cooking the books"? In your mind they must all be wrongly imprisoned! Because - _after all_ - how on _God's flat Earth_ can the numbers reflect something other than a true and real situation?! How can it be that multiple businesses all show fraudulent numbers? Impossible! What the numbers represent must be the case!
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  66. If we lived in a world where everyone is honest then you might be right. It still wouldn't be wise to think that way and so at best it might be a "rule of thumb". But we don't live in an honest world. I suggest we live in a lie system whereas you seem to think we live in a world where everyone is honest and trustworthy. Every time we turn on the nightly news it is always bad. There is always crime. But somehow you can overlook all of that!
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  74. Simply having data which has been automatically generated by machines which were programmed by people does not in-and-of itself prove anything. As I have pointed out, if the event really happened then we can expect to see accurate data to reflect it. *But if the event didn't happen then we would ALSO expect to see accurate appearing data (i.e., proof's appearances).*
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  82. *This is the part you don't seem to understand:* If the alleged "Nepal earthquake" were a genuine event then we would NOT expect to see ANY fraudulent footage. *But yet we do!* In fact - I suggest that ALL of it is NECESSARILY fraudulent and that none of the footage purportedly coming from that event stands up to scrutiny. And any of the footage which *does* happen to be *authentic* has more simply come from *other prior events that really did happen.*
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  90. It is very simple. What is causing your "blindness" is your unshakable trust in "authority". You simply cannot accept that "authority" would ever lie to you about something significant. You cannot accept that "authority" - which had *hospitals* built for you to be born into (and treated you when sick) would lie to you. You cannot accept that "authority" - which had *schools* built for you to be civilised and educated with - would lie to you. You cannot accept that "authority" - which had *roads, public transport and housing* built for you to be housed in and so you can move about - would lie to you. You cannot accept that "authority" - which had *sporting stadiums and venues* for you to be active - would lie to you. You cannot accept that "authority" - which had *industries* spring up and flourish for you to be employed in so as to use your time on Earth productively and "meaningfully" - would lie to you.
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  98. I get it. I understand it. You live in a world where despite all of these seemingly wonderful things you instinctively cannot trust any strangers around you. You live in a world where you are *bombarded with fantasy* by way of television, movies, books, computer games, websites and advertising. But the one exception all along seems to be the "nightly news". And you cannot for a second accept that anything reported on the nightly news could possibly be a fiction.
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  106. Yet you must instinctively feel there is something not right. After all - it was the same groups of people - who made all of these things possible - *just a few decades ago had you believe they dropped atomic bombs on children "for the greater good".* Hundreds of thousands of lives wiped out. How can it be that the mass killing of innocent lives - many children - be an option carried out by good people? How can it be that these people would exercise an option to take the lives of children but not ever dare lie to children? How can it be that killing large numbers of people is an option available to "authority" but lying to large numbers of people by "authority" is not done and is somehow more taboo? _That makes no sense!_
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  114. You have not thought this through because you don't know how to think it through. *That is why you unquestioningly trust.* You have deferred thinking to others. You don't have the mind to scrutinise what needs to be scrutinised. All around you (at least here on YouTube) you correctly see dishonest people calling events fake for reasons that you KNOW are wrong. And over time you end up believing that *anyone* who calls an event fake *must also* be dishonest.
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  122. _Oh how easily you have been played by the lie system._
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  130. But it's okay, I understand. I get it. *_The lie system has done a real number on you._* It has done a real number on us all. It has rubbed off on all of us. *We have to CHOOSE honesty OR we have to choose correctly WHO is honest.* The dishonest people who are calling the Earth flat and who are calling the "ISS" a hologram (haha wow) are just that - *dishonest people.* You are correct to reject them. But it does not follow that *everything* they are calling fake *ISN'T!*
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  138. *The dishonest people are right about some of the things they talk about BUT FOR THE WRONG REASONS.* That has ALWAYS been their game. That is their STRATEGY. And because the games being played are too much for you to handle it is just easier for you to call everyone who isn't towing the official version of events a "tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist"._ *It is just mentally easier to auto-reject everything Lesta is saying.*
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  146. But you are not answering my questions. If you want to communicate with me then you must answer what has been asked. You are avoiding the points I am bringing up. You simply move on to the next point. *YOU are the one who is shifting the goal posts.* You are doing this because you have never communicated with a *genuine dissident* before. Until Lesta you only knew of dishonest people who are pretending to be "truthers". You have only ever communicated with dishonest people which was easy. *And this whole time you have unwittingly been supporting dishonest people (like "Reds Rhetoric") because they are saying the opposite of what dishonest people say.* And you so badly want to hear people saying the opposite of what dishonest people say!
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  154. Just because people like "Reds Rhetoric" *are not* calling the Earth flat *does not* mean they should be any more trusted. It does not make them any more trustworthy. _That does not follow._ Just as seismological numbers in-and-of themselves do not PROVE an earthquake happened.
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  162. As I say - _the lie system has done a real number on you._
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  170. *HERE ARE TWO (MORE) QUESTIONS FOR YOU:*
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  178. 1) *Do you acknowledge that at least some of the footage attributed to the "Nepal earthquake" of April, 2015 had actually come from earlier unrelated events?* YES or NO?
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  186. 2) *What is your explanation for the "earthquake ninjas"?* Or "ISIS ninjas" as I called them in the video I posted here: watch?v=qpcv0FidzO8 (Watch that video and give me your "natural" explanation. What is your "plausible explanation" for what we see?!)
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  202. As I say, you seem to be in the habit of not answering questions asked of you. If this persists then I must ignore you. I also asked you two simple questions with regard to the photo from the alleged "Nepal earthquake" where the guy's arm appears to be missing. I will repeat the two questions here and I expect an answer to them (but do so on the other thread where it is appropriate):
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  210. 1) *What do you suppose he is doing with his arm behind his back?* If his arm is behind his back as you say (and not more simply edited out) then he must be doing something with it. Everyone else is holding onto the stretcher but he isn't. What do you imagine he is doing with his arm?
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  218. 2) *Do you think that group of people [who are holding onto the stretcher] is in motion or stationary?* Is the group moving forward when the photo was taken or is the group standing still?
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  226. Answer these two questions on the other thread where I asked them because that is the appropriate thing to do. The other thread can be found here (sort "newest first" to find your comment if this doesn't bring it to the top): watch?v=KJWhWaOI5hQ&lc=z12zwtu5cteutjzst23velgjzr2uepbuc
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  234. Answer my two questions from up above on THIS thread (because that is appropriate). You now have four questions that need answering. If you continue to evade them then I must write you off as a time-waster and ignore you. If you continue to cause trouble then I will block you. Do the right thing and answer what has been asked of you.
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  244. __________________________________________
  245. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's posts, comments, videos and discussions:
  246. https://pastebin.com/Bfr5RMSg
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  248. Here is Lesta Nediam's Google Plus posts (i.e., blog) - this is where Lesta is most active:
  249. https://plus.google.com/+LestaNediamHQ
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  251. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's video uploads:
  252. https://pastebin.com/WV42jUb1
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  254. Here is Lesta Nediam's YouTube channel - for videos about the lie system:
  255. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3DalBOEZ6RqSyHk8_mGV7w
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