16:19 Flake: Hello Hobbes, are you available to testplay?
16:24 Hobbes2: hi
16:24 Hobbes2: yeah sure
16:24 Flake: oh
16:25 Hobbes2: link?
16:26 *Flake is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1309166 Saeki Yusuke - Takai Tokoro]
16:26 Hobbes2: im not sure warmed up but hopefully should be alright
16:27 Flake: Ah, it's fine
16:27 Flake: I'm spectating someone else though, I'll tell you when i'm done
16:30 Flake: -
16:31 Hobbes2: maybe just me but the offset felt early
16:31 Hobbes2: by like 10 ms or so
16:31 Flake: nah, someone whom I asked for a testplay also mentioned it seemed a little bit off.
16:32 Hobbes2: 00:06:992 (1) - wouldnt amke this an extended slider imo. vocal in the middle of it
16:33 Hobbes2: i guess you switch to guitar there but
16:33 Hobbes2: if you're following guiar then the circles after the 3/4 sliders (like 00:07:305 (2) - ) should be sliders imo
16:33 Hobbes2: because they're a held sound
16:35 Flake: is it alright if I follow both guitar and drums on the intro?
16:35 Flake: 00:06:055 -  here lo
16:35 Hobbes2: i guess so, but that wouldn't change what i said
16:35 Hobbes2: what im saying is that
16:35 Hobbes2: take00:06:992 (1) - for example
16:36 Hobbes2: the guitar sound on 00:07:305 - is a more intense version of the guitar sound on 00:06:992 -
16:36 Hobbes2: but you made the first one a slider and the second a circle
16:36 Hobbes2: making both 3/4 sliders would be neat imo
16:36 Flake: oh
16:36 Hobbes2: 00:08:555 (2) - keeping this a circle is nice
16:37 Hobbes2: it signifies a change to following drums as preperation for the jump section right after
16:37 Hobbes2: 00:11:055 (1) - should be louder and also have a finish
16:39 Flake: increased the vol there and added a finish
16:39 Hobbes2: 00:12:930 (1) - not sure about this
16:39 Hobbes2: the clickable is on a drum but idk why its extended for so long
16:40 Hobbes2: imo you should make 00:12:930 - a circle and then map out the guitar
16:42 Flake: It's been a habit for me to put sliders instead of circles for delays, though I'll map the guitar and replace the slider with circle
16:42 Hobbes2: as a general comment i think you nc a lot more than you need to
16:42 Hobbes2: things like 00:16:680 (1) -  dont need nc
16:42 Hobbes2: 00:19:180 (1) -
16:42 Hobbes2: etc
16:43 Flake: removed ncs for mentioned objects and other similar ones
16:43 Hobbes2: swell
16:43 Hobbes2: alright so my first complaint about this part would be the rhythm
16:43 Hobbes2: taking a look at
16:43 Hobbes2: 00:13:555 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - compare this to what you did for 00:16:055 (1,2,3,1,2) -
16:44 Hobbes2: the first link follows drums, right? but the second one follows guitar
16:44 Hobbes2: it feels like these various measures are all following different things
16:44 Hobbes2: when for something like this I think consistency would be better
16:45 Hobbes2: personally i think the guitar rhythm sounds a lot better
16:46 Hobbes2: 00:18:555 (1) - this measure goes back to following guitars, but im not so sure about 00:19:492 (2,1) -
16:47 Hobbes2: the finish hitsound sounds like a mistake? i cant hear one in the music
16:47 Flake: oh
16:47 Hobbes2: also its not clear what this slider is following. if its following guitar, then its wrong because it would be skipping 00:19:805 -
16:48 Hobbes2: if its following drums, then you'd be switching to drums from guitar quite randomly
16:48 Hobbes2: so..tl;dr of all of this is that
16:48 Hobbes2: you kinda follow random stuff for any given measure, a bit more constincency with what instrument you're following for the instrumental section here would be appreciated
16:49 Flake: I'll note that
16:49 Hobbes2: 00:21:055 (1) - i like this part
16:50 Hobbes2: 00:23:398 (5,3) - this overlap doesnt look very good
16:50 Hobbes2: 00:24:805 (1) - similar concern with that extended slider at the start, i get what you're clicking on but it doesnt make sense to be extended for that long
16:51 Hobbes2: this is kinda subjective so you dont have to change it, but i think it would be better if you fixed it similar to how you would potentially fix 00:12:930 (1) -
16:51 Flake: if I were to change 00:24:805 (1) -
16:52 Flake: should I map the vocals?
16:52 Hobbes2: yeah. you could use a similarly slow slider for them
16:52 Hobbes2: just start it with the vocals instead of with this drum
16:53 Hobbes2: http://puu.sh/waUqi/5f145b2abc.jpg like this i suppose
16:54 Hobbes2: more rhythm stuff in this section, like the previous one i guess. just feels like you're mixing layers of what you're trying to follow
16:54 Hobbes2: cos some parts are following vocals and some parts are guitar
16:56 Hobbes2: 00:27:773 (2,3) - ctrl+g here for sure, regardless of what you're following
16:56 Hobbes2: rhythm i mean
16:58 Flake: I map the vocals if the vocalist speaks fast or something
16:59 Hobbes2: 00:30:273 (3,4) -
16:59 Hobbes2: you follow vocals here, but the vocalist isnt particularly flast
16:59 Hobbes2: *fast
16:59 Hobbes2: 00:32:305 (1,2,3) -  same
16:59 Hobbes2: idk it just feels really inconsistent
16:59 Hobbes2: you switch between the vocal / guitar layer a lot
16:59 Hobbes2: and it makes the rhythm feel like a mess to me
17:00 Flake: I'll work on consistency lol, it seems like a big issue here eh
17:00 Hobbes2: feel free to get another opinion, im just one dude
17:01 Hobbes2: like you care enough about vocals to distinguish 00:38:086 (1,2,3) - with their own combo
17:01 Hobbes2: but earlier in the same section, 00:37:148 - is unclickable and there are 3 vocals in one slider 00:37:305 (1) -
17:02 Hobbes2: 00:53:555 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) -
17:02 Hobbes2: i didnt notice when playing
17:02 Hobbes2: but there is no sound on these red ticks, unless im deaf
17:04 Flake: you're probably not deaf
17:04 Hobbes2: so yea that feels kinda overdone cos theres no sound on the red ticks
17:05 Hobbes2: but the intensity is there so maybe you could get away with it
17:05 Hobbes2: 2017 xd
17:05 Flake: I guess so haha
17:05 Hobbes2: 00:56:055 (1,2) -
17:05 Flake: though if I were to replace them
17:05 Hobbes2: 1/2 sliders i guess
17:05 Hobbes2: fast ones
17:05 Hobbes2: lol
17:05 Flake: rip haha
17:05 Hobbes2: but yea for
17:05 Hobbes2: 00:56:055 (1,2) -
17:06 Hobbes2: 00:42:773 (3,4) -
17:06 Hobbes2: previous section less intense, but these 1/4 gaps are spaced
17:06 Hobbes2: but in kiai, the most intense section, they arent
17:06 Hobbes2: noticed that when playing
17:07 Hobbes2: 00:59:492 (6,1) - ctrl+g is better rhytm, since 00:59:648 - is the vocal with no real clickable emphasis needed on 00:59:805 -
17:08 Hobbes2: 01:01:680 (1) - more extra ncs in case you didnt fix em from before :d
17:09 Flake: lol fixed
17:09 Hobbes2: 01:01:680 (1) - vocals here so extended slider doesn't fit
17:09 Hobbes2: 01:05:430 (1) - ur in kiai and still doin kickslidres zz
17:09 Hobbes2: make em streams!
17:10 Hobbes2: altho there isnt even much 1/4 there anyway that i can hear
17:10 Hobbes2: theres like a faint roll in the music so a stream would probably be ok
17:11 Hobbes2: 01:12:148 (1) - you could totally make all of these circles btw. and like nc em for readability or something. same with 01:14:648 (1) - . super optional tho
17:11 Hobbes2: rest of the map seems fine, kiai has the same rhythm mixing between vocals and guitars that seems kinda random, but ill leave you with how you want to fix it, if you want to at all
17:11 Hobbes2: aesthetically its pretty solid
17:12 Flake: um, not sure but I'm wondering for another term of aesthetics
17:12 Hobbes2: what do you mea
17:12 Hobbes2: *mean
17:12 Flake: I have a gist of what aesthetics is, but not like, an understanding of the word itself
17:12 Hobbes2: oh
17:12 Flake: like a synonym
17:12 Hobbes2: its pretty much how your map looks i guess
17:12 Flake: oh, in other words, presentation
17:13 Hobbes2: yeah
17:13 Hobbes2: exactly
17:13 Flake: or something among those lines
17:13 Hobbes2: aesthetics don't have to look pretty all the time to be good, but generally when someone says good aesthetics they mean pleasant to look at
17:13 Hobbes2: a map can have good aesthetics and be ugly, as long as you're fitting within whatever concept you're going for, but thats another topic
17:13 Hobbes2: basically, your map looks fine :d
17:13 Flake: ah, thanks.
17:14 Hobbes2: hope I could help some
17:14 Hobbes2: mind if i post this on the thread for kds? :^)