Subframe naming in Red?

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 7:35 PM
printletterdelay does not matter during pokedex, correct?

wsopboy91 - Today at 7:37 PM
right
My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 7:49 PM

i copied the extended code from entrs starter manip bot and still get u->L R

wsopboy91 - Today at 7:50 PM
have pokeguy try as well

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 7:50 PM
there is no frame from the ball toss to the naming screen where a button is not held

wsopboy91 - Today at 7:50 PM
thats the problem then
on pokedex you arent holding on every frame

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 7:51 PM
but i thought that didn't matter

Exarion - Today at 7:51 PM
It shouldn't

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 7:51 PM
also in the video you posted you held on every frame

Exarion - Today at 7:52 PM
PLD is just about checking text speed, I thought
Which doesn't exist during pokedex

wsopboy91 - Today at 7:52 PM
if i held on every frame there i got lucky
cause i am definitely letting go of one to press the other on dex

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 7:53 PM
i still get u->L R when changing that in my code

wsopboy91 - Today at 7:54 PM
so its nickname then
only other thing it can be
maybe on some frames theres just a smaller window for your start press after A press or something
your bot will always do that frame perfectly
humans dont exactly do that frame perfectly

Exarion - Today at 7:56 PM
Is there any subframe stuff in red

wsopboy91 - Today at 7:56 PM
subframe stuff could make sense
that would be why it feels like you get path 1 even when you didnt do it as fast as it can possibly be done

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 7:57 PM
wait i just got it
u->R->U L->R

wsopboy91 - Today at 7:58 PM
yes
thats it

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 7:58 PM
hmm

wsopboy91 - Today at 7:58 PM
what did you change

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:02 PM
i just advanced a little more frames on the nickname screen
i think i was pressing start too early
but my old code (which i used for the igt charts) i made sure nido was nicknamed, so don't worry about that
wsop can you make me another video but for pidgey inputs this time

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:03 PM
ok

Exarion - Today at 8:05 PM
How is it possible to press start too early while naming nidoran on path 1?

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:06 PM
no, i wasn't checking if nido was nicknamed this time
don't worry, that's not a new mechanic or anything

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:09 PM
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wouldve been a good video for anyone to see how to do triple extended but i failed weedle guy wants to fight textbox
interesting that i get path 1 more on runs
i think it has to do with constant resets and me attempting to frame perfect name myself and rival and squirtle

Exarion - Today at 8:19 PM
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it was that

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:20 PM
so whatever this was, it only affected path 1 stringflow?

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:26 PM
i probably have to redo this entire manip now
path 0: u->U, R
path 1: r, R
path 2: u->L, L
path 3: u->L, L
path 4: r->D, L
path 5: u->U, R

i get these paths from igt second 0, igt frame 0 without any A presses now

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:27 PM
the interesting one is r, R
because ive been getting that

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:28 PM
maybe the first 2 paths are just fake though, maybe some weird 60fps input

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:28 PM
uh i think that might make sense
i found when naming too fast i was getting this npc 1 r
and so was exarion

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:29 PM
you're right

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:29 PM
having 2 paths of u-L makes sense too for how easy path 1 felt
but ok lets make a save state for this so we can confirm the paths

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:29 PM
yeah that's why we did the A presses initially, to make those paths vary on NPC2
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wsopboy91 - Today at 8:33 PM
ok can confirm one of the u-L's
obviously dont know which path though

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:33 PM
so do we route the r, R path now :thinking:

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:34 PM
hmm got npc 1 r, npc 2 RR :thinking:
no A presses right?
u-U R confirmed
no d, L :thinking:

Exarion - Today at 8:36 PM
path 0: u->U, R
^I've seen this quite a bit

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:36 PM
can you check what path 6 and 7 would be
oh is that the one you dm'd me about

Exarion - Today at 8:36 PM
yes

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:36 PM
both are d, L

Exarion - Today at 8:36 PM
the question is why do these appear on some IGTs but not others
path 0/5 and path 1, that is

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:38 PM
im pretty sure ive seen npc 1 r a ton
and just assumed i messed up
and i do name fast alot

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:38 PM
so what am i doing now?
route all the paths from scratch?

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:39 PM
what happened to the path 6?

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:39 PM
did anybody ever hit that?

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:39 PM
yes
ive hit it like 4 times
pokeguy has hit it

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:40 PM
oh it reappears as path 8 now

Exarion - Today at 8:40 PM
what about the paths where npc1 is facing down
are those paths 6-7 in your new chart?

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:40 PM
so is this looking like 8 or 9 paths now?

Exarion - Today at 8:41 PM
pretty sure it's not 8-9 frames though
so there is some subframe (or pseudo subframe) stuff going on

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:42 PM
path 0: u->U, R
path 1: r, R
path 2: u->L, L
path 3: u->L, L
path 4: r->D, L
path 5: u->U, R
path 6: d, L
path 7: d, L
path 8: d->D, R
path 9: r, R->R
path 10: d->r, L
path 11: u, L
path 12: d, L
path 0 and 1 are likely caused from subframe or 60fps shenanagains

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:42 PM
ok so how many paths do we actually want to route
if we assume 0 and 1 are unlikely to actually hit
but still want to route them for when you do name too fast

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:43 PM
it'd still be nice to have them routed i think

Exarion - Today at 8:43 PM
7+

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:43 PM
at least path 1

Exarion - Today at 8:43 PM
I have never hit 8-12 in a run

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:43 PM
r R-R path 9
ive seen this a few times
path 11 npc 1 u

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:44 PM
assuming path 0/1 are subframe paths, you would have waited 7 frames on the naming screen
sounds unlikely

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:44 PM
highly doubt thats it though
assume npc 1 u is just a missed textbox or something
no way you can name that late
so 0-7?
ditch the old path 6

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:45 PM
i was thinking about 0-8

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:46 PM
not sure i wanna memorize 9 pidgey movements

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:46 PM
i mean path 7 seems kind of questionable in that aspect as well

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:47 PM
but you do get that occasionally
if exarions got it then it should be routed

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:47 PM
alright

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:47 PM
im fine with old path 6 ditch though

listlesssalmon - Today at 8:48 PM
what was the issue with this?(edited)

Exarion - Today at 8:48 PM
either 0-7 or 0-8 sounds reasonable to me

My Angel UniqueSenpai - Today at 8:48 PM
some strange, unexplainable bug that only affected some igt frames with my bots code listless

listlesssalmon - Today at 8:49 PM
neat

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:50 PM
so triple extended new manips v.3.0 :smile:
this makes alot of sense ive gotten these times where ive named rival even faster then i thought was possible

Exarion - Today at 8:52 PM
well it's not a bug, it's some subframe mechanic that hadn't been previously discovered

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:52 PM
i guess thats the subframe

wsopboy91 - Today at 8:53 PM
officially rip ever manipping from new game