16:05:46 <Scantron> re: flag burning
16:05:48 <&Soulless> Lux, so I don't know if it's that chill.
16:05:49 <sinn1sl0ken> that way you get to be part of Mr. Schneebly's band
16:05:50 <@minmin> Soulless: yep!
16:05:50 <%Lily> Icepick: yeah but you get all the monarchist tory wankers and... bleh
16:05:50 <DrMagnus> ricky: A school can give you detention for basically whatever tf they want.
16:05:50 <Icepick> Sometimes they would try and make us sing the national anthem for occassions or whatever, like maybe once a year tops
16:05:55 <@minmin> like I said, utopian dystopia
16:05:59 <Lux> Soulless: not very chill
16:06:04 <Icepick> Lily: true :S
16:06:04 <Scantron> a judge will shoot it down, like, eventually
16:06:10 <ricky> drmagnus not for not standing for the pledge that's literally illegal
16:06:10 <&Soulless> minmin, <3 Sorry for shitting in your place low key
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16:06:22 <ghostpage> DrMagnus, it's illegal to punish for in some states
16:06:25 <Snipes88> If I see anyone burning or stomping on my flag, well, let's just say don't let me catch you doing it
16:06:25 <@minmin> Soulless: I love it when foreigners do that right
16:06:33 <%Lily> Soulless: it's okay singapore is p shit in lots of ways
16:06:36 <%Lily> good in others
16:06:41 <%Lily> Such as "having minmin in it"
16:06:42 <ricky> snipes88 there's good reason for burning the flag
16:06:42 <@minmin> and no LOL CHEWING GUM DEATH PENALTY EH??
16:06:46 <Tatatos> 'murica
16:06:47 <@minmin> I'm tired of it
16:06:47 <thermal> ghostpage: It's entirely possible for someone to believe that murdering a granny is morally just. In their worldview (which is no less valid than anyone else's) they would be defying an unjust law by killing a granny.
16:06:59 <Lux> In third grade I got recess taken away for saying that a circle had infinite lines of symmetry and then telling the teacher she was full of shit and infinity minus infinity is infinity when she made a line off to the side.
16:07:00 <%ChaoSera> Snipes88: If I see you inciting violence like that again you will be kicked. Are we clear?
16:07:02 <@minmin> Soulless: so please if you want to ask or talk
16:07:02 <ricky> snipes88 you don't get to hurt someone for showing their frustration with an injust government
16:07:04 <@minmin> anytime pls
16:07:11 <Flamel> minmin is that really. a thing.
16:07:20 <Lux> I really didn't like my third grade teacher. :D
16:07:21 <&Soulless> minmin, I assume most strict-sounding singapore laws are not actually enforced, they just sound intimidating to look tough or something, similar to how China does it
16:07:22 <ricky> unjust
16:07:32 <Snipes88> If they don't like it, they still shouldn't be insulting my country in my face
16:07:35 — Lux didn't actually say "You're full of shit" but wishes she did
16:07:45 <ricky> snipes88 they can do what they want
16:07:51 <Icepick> Burn all flags I say
16:07:57 <Snipes88> Then they can take the punishment
16:07:59 <%Lily> Snipes88: it's illegal to hit someone. Not to burn a flag or whatever
16:08:03 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> Snipes88 that is illegal.
16:08:05 <%Lily> Flag burning is a form of protest
16:08:05 <ricky> snipes88 there is no punishment
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16:08:07 <MarshallR> Snipes88 Calm down. We aren't insulting your country, Share your opinion but stay civil.
16:08:08 <shaggydredlocks> *burns flag*
16:08:09 <ghostpage> Snipes88, they presumably bought the flag with their own money, it's their property and they can do what they want with it
16:08:09 <Klurg> snipes, you gotta respect their opinions
16:08:09 <Flamel> Icepick flags are important for recognition of nationalities in battle
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16:08:14 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> do not.
16:08:18 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> incite violence again.
16:08:20 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> do not.
16:08:28 <Lux> flag burning is illegal because you shouldn't set fires in public areas throw it through a shredder instead
16:08:29 <%ChaoSera> I thought I had made that clear, but apparently not
16:08:30 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> calm down.
16:08:34 <Snipes88> Fine
16:08:40 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> if you can't stay levelheaded over this, go elsewhere.
16:08:43 <@minmin> Soulless: you are right on
16:08:44 <@minmin> thank you
16:08:45 <Lux> *bad maybe it's illegal in some areas idk
16:08:48 <ghostpage> Lux, depends on the county fire laws
16:08:55 <&Soulless> I don't really see the purpose of burning flags I will be totally honest.
16:08:55 <Dann2442> Soulless: here's the rundown. Jordan Peterson (the guy you are referring to) only refuses to acknowledge non-binary pronouns. It's a hot topic of scientific debate right now, and I can understand why people may not want to acknowledge them if they feel it's not scientifically based. Other than that, he is quite respectful, and has a reputation for debating
16:08:56 <Dann2442> whoever wants to have a go at him. Secondly, the pride parade may get their funding cut after BLM, who was invited to last year's parade by the police, trashed the fucking thing and made it about them, asking for the police to be banned from future events despite them being a major part (with pride accepting the demands). The chief of police, who is black,
16:08:57 <Dann2442> did not to kindly to that, and took major public offense to it.
16:09:11 <ghostpage> Cities are generally no-burn; rural areas are more lenient
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16:09:18 <%Lily> Dann2442: no it's super rude and shitty to refuse to use pronouns
16:09:21 <shaggydredlocks> Hm
16:09:23 <&Soulless> Dann2442, it's not that hot a topic of scientific debate, the weird biology of humans has been studied for decades, etc.
16:09:32 <shaggydredlocks> We should get creative in how we destroy flags
16:09:43 <Flamel> shaggyredlocks eat the flag
16:09:44 <Snipes88> We shouldn't destroy flags
16:09:48 <%Lily> shaggydredlocks: use them for arts-and-crafts
16:09:51 <&Soulless> Dann2442, it's pretty well established that gender and sex in humans are far more complicated than initial presentations.
16:09:52 <ricky> dann2442 you don't get to disrespect someone's pronouns because you don't think they're "scientifically based"
16:09:52 <%Lily> Snipes88: they are pieces of cloth
16:09:58 <%Lily> Symbolic, yes, but still
16:10:02 <%Lily> Pieces of cloth
16:10:05 <Cyantreuse> Dann2442: My managers at a major retailer use they/them for me because a) they have a sense of common social decency and b) federal requirements require companies not to discriminate based on "gender and/or gender identity"
16:10:05 <shaggydredlocks> I don't want to contribute to pollution unnecessarilly
16:10:10 <%Lily> The destruction of a flag is not somehow wrong
16:10:10 <Snipes88> Especially if you /live/ in the country you're disrespecting
16:10:17 <Cyantreuse> Dann2442: there is never an excuse. Never. Not even in the workforce.
16:10:24 <%Lily> Snipes88: if the country is shit to you it's okay to hate it
16:10:24 <ricky> snipes88 the country disrespects me
16:10:31 <Icepick> I like the woodchipper idea
16:10:31 <MarshallR> Snipes88, Burning a flag isn't disrespect, it's protest
16:10:37 <ricky> snipes88 so i give it what it deserves
16:10:38 <ghostpage> Dann2442, intersex/nb people have existed for ever and yet people still reinforce the binary smh
16:10:41 <Icepick> Time to start Internation Flag Woodchippering Day
16:10:49 <@minmin> lol
16:10:51 <Icepick> International*
16:10:55 <ghostpage> Icepick, good
16:10:57 <shaggydredlocks> I can absolutely respect the country while at the same time feeding it's flag to a ravenous pig
16:10:58 <Flamel> international flag eating day
16:10:58 <Klurg> snipes, I don't see why you hold the US in such a high opinion, it's just another country that you have the fate of living in
16:11:00 <sinn1sl0ken> i feel like that could somehow gunk up a wood chipper
16:11:09 <Snipes88> Granted, America isn't the best, Australia is
16:11:09 <Klurg> such a high regard*
16:11:12 <sinn1sl0ken> buncha threads all up in the choppy bits
16:11:17 <Snipes88> But still
16:11:18 <Dann2442> I'm just trying to play devil's advocate with him. Like holy christ.
16:11:23 <MarshallR> Agreeded, maybe a shredder?
16:11:24 <%Lily> Australia isn't the best
16:11:27 <shaggydredlocks> Or one of those acid baths like in that meth show that was big for awhile
16:11:28 <MarshallR> *Agreed
16:11:29 <%Lily> It still bans gay marriage ffs
16:11:33 <&Soulless> Dann2442, I don't really buy the "not scientific" argument because there is absolutely a ton of science and all of it points towards gender and sex are pretty fuckin weird and don't follow stict binary, so I don't really buy his arguments, and find him a bit of a dip.
16:11:35 <%ChaoSera> There isn't any "best" country to begin with
16:11:38 <Klurg> ^
16:11:44 <thermal> Wait, really? I thought gay marriage was legal in aus.
16:11:44 <Lux> What if the flag is made out of really expensive fabric that you could make thingies out of
16:11:48 <Flamel> Lily clearly belgium is the best i am not biased whatsoever as a belgian
16:11:50 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> Snipes88 you are allowed to disrespect your country.
16:11:52 <DrMagnus> I reutrn!
16:11:54 <%Lily> thermal: nah :(
16:11:56 <DrMagnus> return rather
16:11:57 <Lux> ChaoSera: what country has the lowest population that might be the best one
16:11:57 <Tatatos> You guys should come to Brazil, people here are proud wearers of the flag when is World Cup season, but when we are talking about politics, they hate the place and say Miami is better
16:12:02 <ghostpage> .g is gay marriage legal in australia
16:12:02 <%Lily> Flamel: belgium isn't real
16:12:04 <%jarvis> ghostpage: [1/10] LGBT rights in Australia - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Australia - ... Government's amendment to the Marriage Act 1961 in 2004, federal law in Australia officially bans same-sex marriage.
16:12:09 <Flamel> i am offended
16:12:10 <%ChaoSera> Lux: Probably the vatican then, I suppose
16:12:13 <&Soulless> Dann2442, also from what I know the BLM/LGBTQ thing is kind of a garbage fire, I don't know how to feel about it other than I wish it didn't happen lmao.
16:12:14 <Icepick> lol
16:12:18 <Lux> Lily: no finland isn't real
16:12:20 <@minmin> aww. im actually enough of a nationalist to think flag burning is kind of
16:12:21 <@minmin> eh
16:12:22 <DrMagnus> What the hell did I miss?
16:12:26 <@minmin> but whatevs
16:12:31 <ghostpage> DrMagnus, nationalism
16:12:32 <Flamel> DrMagnus we ate some flags i guess
16:12:35 <thermal> Magnis: A LOT of politics
16:12:39 <Snipes88> Nah, Canada is the one that's not real
16:12:40 <ricky> snipes88 is saying flag burning should be punished
16:12:41 <&Soulless> Again I don't see the purpose of burning flags or not burning flags or feeling nationalistic.
16:12:42 <Icepick> DrMagnus: International Flag Woodchippering Day!
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16:12:47 <DrMagnus> Ahh.
16:12:50 <ClassyB> .hug
16:12:50 <%jarvis> classyb: awww, that's so sweet. Let me hug you back. *crunch*
16:12:51 <&Soulless> It's just a flag.
16:12:53 <DrMagnus> I think The US is a pretty good country
16:12:55 <Dann2442> It shouldn't of happened. Yet it did. And everyone is disgusted and pride for pulling it. Soulless that's basically how toronto feels about it right now.
16:12:56 <DrMagnus> It has flaws.
16:12:57 <&Soulless> Why is it significant to burn or not?
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16:12:58 <DrMagnus> It's not the best.
16:13:00 — DrMagnus shrug.
16:13:05 <MarshallR> Soulless Protest.
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16:13:12 <Klurg> magnus, you just missed quite the storm, nothing too important
16:13:15 <Snipes88> ricky: people gave their lives so you could even be in the position to burn it
16:13:15 <@minmin> I think a part of me still holds on to symbols of pride or respect
16:13:19 <ClassyB> Back, what did I miss?
16:13:20 <@minmin> and even if they're not important to me
16:13:20 <Tatatos> If you burn the canadian flag in fron of a canadian they are going to be polite to you and say they are sorry
16:13:23 <&Soulless> Dann2442, tbh I am from chinatown, toronto, which is pretty apolitical except to chinese business interests.
16:13:23 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> Snipes88 yes
16:13:25 <@minmin> they're still important to others
16:13:26 <DrMagnus> Snipes88: And, restriction freedom is the way to honor those people?
16:13:28 <ricky> snipes88 okay and?
16:13:28 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> Snipes88 free speech
16:13:30 <@minmin> and I think I'd like to respect that
16:13:31 <sinn1sl0ken> Snipes88: should we disrespect the people that gave their lives by not exercising the rights they gave us?
16:13:34 <&Soulless> Dann2442, so my opinion is really "eeeeh that sounds sad"
16:13:35 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> snipes88 you don't understand it.
16:13:44 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> yo, let's not dogpile here.
16:13:45 <DrMagnus> The Flag is not the country.
16:13:50 <ricky> snipes88 the flag is not a people
16:13:52 <DrMagnus> The Flag is just cloth, and feelings.
16:13:56 <Flamel> the flag is a cloth
16:14:04 <Dann2442> Yeah, I've heard Chinatown was kinda separate politically from the rest of toronto
16:14:06 <thermal> countries are just a collection of dudes with guns who promise to kill you if you don't do what they say. pride or hatred for them is... Eh.
16:14:13 <Dann2442> Do you know why that is? I'm curious tbh
16:14:16 <DrMagnus> Burning it says "I'm not happy with this symbol".  Which, considering the US is based ona  revolvt against the king, is a pretty damn american thing to do
16:14:18 <&Soulless> Snipes88, lots of people die, their loss means very little directly to me. Lots of people died when USA committed bloody genocide to establish themselves. It happens.
16:14:23 <Snipes88> Burn a flag in front of a marine. I dare you
16:14:25 <Flamel> thermal i wouldnt say thats what countries are but eh.
16:14:27 <ghostpage> People also gave their lives to put me in a shitty life position with less rights than others and I'd burn their flag all day if I could
16:14:28 <&Soulless> Dann2442, yeah I do actually
16:14:44 <Klurg> oh vey, somebody call me when this madness is ovah
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16:14:47 <Icepick> Burn a flag in front of a brainwashed murderer, sure, there's a good arguement
16:14:51 <&Soulless> Dann2442, chinatown was considered a shithole place where you shove all the dirty chinks for a while
16:14:52 <MarshallR> Snipes88 I burned one in front of a CATM, he was holding the match.
16:14:55 <ricky> snipes88 sure but if he hurts me he's the one going to jail, not me
16:15:00 <%AbsentmindedNihilist> Snipes88 your patriotism is unhealthy and crude and doesn't acknowledge that people are routinely fucked over by the government.
16:15:02 <ClassyB> I mean, technically burning a flag could be seen as a sort of protest, I would feel like
16:15:06 <DrMagnus> For fuck's sake.
16:15:10 <thermal> Flamel: I mean, governments fit that definition at least.
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16:15:13 <%ChaoSera> Ok guys
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16:15:25 <%ChaoSera> This conversation is going in circles and people are getting more riled up by the minute
16:15:26 ← Snipes88 was kicked by %AbsentmindedNihilist: what did i just say about violence? this topic is done.
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16:15:43 <%ChaoSera> Move on, everybody.
16:15:44 <%ChaoSera> Thank you.
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