19:27 < Birds> Hey, dudes, we're having a vaguely technological dispute over in #Politics. The point of contention is whether any one nation/country has the
               infrastructure/manpower/technology to produce a modern computer without outsourcing.
19:28 < Tamber> Hmmm.
19:28 < Kazriko> I suspect that as long as you're talking Mainframes and the like, probably yes. Consumer grade equipment is too low-priced to manufacture
                 on-shore... China could probably produce a MIPS based computer all in their own country.
19:28 < Tamber> Haven't they pretty much done that anyway?
19:28 < Kazriko> yeah.
19:29 < Tamber> (Although I don't actually know where they sourced *all* their components)
19:29 < Kazriko> Not sure if the MIPS computer they made is really "modern" though.
19:29 < Tamber> Depends on how you define 'modern'.
19:29 < Kazriko> but Mainfraims, Z series computers, IBM can probably produce one almost entirely in the US.
19:30 < Birds> Dude defined it as 'anything since Intel stopped calling their processors Pentium'.
19:30 < Kazriko> That still leaves MIPS as a gray area.
19:30 < Tamber> Leaves the entire conversation as a grey area.
19:31 < Kazriko> With Sony's plant, they could produce CELL cpus, and if they were willing to look, I suspect most of the components could be traded out for
                 domestic equivs in japan.
19:31 < Kazriko> to produce a PS3 compatible system.
19:31 < Birds> Okay. Next: Given some time for retooling following a Warp Storm that strands them alone in space, would a country be able to replicate the
               capability to produce these machines by themselves?
19:31 < Kazriko> but it'd be a low-volume operation.
19:32 < Tamber> "anything since"? Well, the Godson series of processors have been produced after that~ I'm fairly sure they produce a fair amount of flash
                and RAM…
19:32 < Kazriko> China, Japan, US, yes. The EU, probably. Ireland, maybe. Israel, probably.
19:32  * Tamber idly notes that 'the EU' isn't a country; grey area there.
19:32 < Kazriko> Anyone that has a chip fab could probably build the rest given time.
19:32 < Kazriko> That's why I broke Ireland out separately.
19:33 < Kazriko> Germany has chip fabs, I think.
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19:33 < Tamber> You'd need to break it out into the separate member states (i.e. countries), see… :p