PK Argument 1

SimpToday at 1:15 AM
My problem is that most of the addons on the forum are lacking in some aspect, whether it be code or concept or something else
WhiteXShadowToday at 1:15 AM
I'd say concept mostly
SimpToday at 1:16 AM
I'd actually say code more
WhiteXShadowToday at 1:17 AM
Well I wouldn't know much about code, but as a player, seeing all of these dull, uninspired addons shows a lack of concept
I mean all you really have to do is go on Phan and do /b d Fire or /b d Air
PhanaticDToday at 1:21 AM
make some then
or outline your idea for the perfect addon
dNiymToday at 11:00 AM
Agreed, if you can outline your move(s) and how they should work someone can code it.  No need to bash on every move out there and not offer any solution to the issue.
Finn_Bueno_Today at 11:58 AM
Scream some more of that truth
:evildoggo:
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:19 PM
It isn't bashing.
I do really agree with WhiteXShadow.
I have ideas for techniques that could come as addons, but the thing is nobody wants to listen.
Most of abilities that are put out aren't that much creative. Though when there are good ones, I give credit to the creator.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:23 PM
I really don't think it's that hard for solutions to be made either
like I said, if these addons had move collisions that'd make them... more tolerable
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:24 PM
Collision should be important.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:25 PM
Others could explode upon impact of player or terrain, some could leave behind different terrain, etc.
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:25 PM
Without it, the ability doesn't have stragedy and becomes de-ex machina
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:25 PM
Others could even give effects to either the user or enemy
as much as people hated Rekindle and really beat it to the ground
It at least was creative in a sense
It wasn't like all of the other fire addons
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:26 PM
What was it about?
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:26 PM
Hold Sneak to heal
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:26 PM
I remember I didn't praise it either.
Ah, that's why.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:27 PM
It wasn't exactly all that deserving of praise but people went overboard
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:27 PM
The Thing I didn't like, which brings me to the point of creativity absense, it was essentially healingwaters.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:27 PM
When water can make a surge out of flowers and air can travel at 60 mph PK devs can't really talk much about it making sense imo
Because all of Core doesn't make sense at all
No element really fights how it did in the show
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:28 PM
True. Though it slowly is turning into show.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:28 PM
Not rly
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:28 PM
Airscooter got animation.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:28 PM
Well aesthetics are nice
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:29 PM
At one point, deadbush wasn't define as bendable.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:29 PM
but gameplay wise, the elements still have to rely on things such as ESmashHopping, SurgeJetting, Charging on Firejet, and AirBlastJumping
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:30 PM
Yes.
Dunno, If any of these mobility makes sense.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:32 PM
3/4 of them really dont
We've seen Ozai charging lightning on jet but that was during the Comet
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:32 PM
ESmash is the obvious one. Airblast jump imo should only have a draw back of a large cooldown and a ability  to compesate for a small jump boost.
SurgeJetting mostly due to the looks.
Firejet, however, is pretty close to the canon resemblance.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:33 PM
The main issue I have with surgejetting is how fast and abusable it is
And the fact that it can happen with plants
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:33 PM
Yeah.
All of these problems were addressed in the past tho.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:34 PM
Addressed?
Do you mean acknowledged?
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:34 PM
Addressed by members, not staff.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:34 PM
ah
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:34 PM
And acknowledged, yes.
pprobably by staff.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:35 PM
I'm sure w/o a doubt that the Pk staff know of these issues
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:35 PM
I don't think they're oblivious and know those things need be revamped by demand.(edited)
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:36 PM
the only thing is that PK is still top secret
which at this point I mean
really
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:36 PM
Yeah. I though that too.
There aren't much engagement left, so imo there's no pointvof being at secretly and teaser-y.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:37 PM
The community is small enough as it is
The relationship might as well be intimate rather than an attempt at being somewhat professional(edited)
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:38 PM
Yeah, there needs to be a balance. It's not like  it's big game  corperation.
Like a Q&A could partially or as a whole solve that problem.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:40 PM
I just think them stating what their goal is to do with each element
not a major goal
but a small goal that the dev team could reach in a reasonable amount of time
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:41 PM
Those were fun, although I went overboard stealing spotlight and asking too many questions, lol. But asides that.
@WhiteXShadow yeah, like that.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:41 PM
This way if the goal doesn't suit the community
we can say that we don't like it
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:42 PM
Even If its told vague. No need to go into neatly gritty.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:42 PM
there's a reason why people still play on PK 1.8.0 BETA 9
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:42 PM
"We're improving mobility for Y elemenet"
Just an example.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:42 PM
Yea
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:42 PM
@WhiteXShadow whys that?
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:42 PM
or we're changing X move
Why?
Because
FireBlast's cooldown doesn't stop you from charging it
hm
there are others too
ohj
air collisions don't exist so air fights dont drag for eternity
Along with other things I can't think of off the top of my head
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:44 PM
So many servers have stayed to that version? Hmm, that could be an issue for the staff to look into and find out why they enjoy it so much.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:44 PM
Not many but some
the ones that are aimed more towards the better / competitive benders(edited)
aka the toxic benders
either way they're fiercely dedicated to bending
you can't get around that
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:45 PM
We wanna get rid off those people all together @WhiteXShadow
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:45 PM
cocky players are the worst.(edited)
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:45 PM
You idiots
Those are apart of the community too
you're only making the divide worse
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:45 PM
A bad part
I believe Chris has more on the subject
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:46 PM
Yea and say you get rid of them
What now
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:46 PM
As he stated he wants to better the community a bit
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:46 PM
you've made your small and declining community smaller
congrats
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:46 PM
I personally believe that can't really be done from a dev point
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:46 PM
air collisions don't exist so air fights dont drag for eternity I think I know what you mean. I rememeber we bost tested the collision, and airswipe pretty much nullified everything.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:46 PM
You don't have to fully appease both sides of the spectrum
but trying to push one side out of the plugin is a wrong approach
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:46 PM
Well, I'm not sure If it's airswipe, but I blurry remember something.
But basically, airbending can't lose in a particular situation, right?
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:47 PM
People who stay on beta 9 are like minecraft 1.8 players
AKA they don't matter
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:47 PM
Wow
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:47 PM
I see Finn's point.
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:47 PM
What do you think you guys are all knowing gods or something
They're players nonetheless
they do matter
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:47 PM
Minecraft is progressing, at a rapid space.
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:47 PM
Players who can't move on
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:47 PM
And this is why they're so hostile to PK
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:47 PM
You can't keep supporting 1.8.
But I'm on White's side too.
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:48 PM
Like beta 9, 1.8 is out of date, we have moved on, so should they
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:48 PM
You can't, but you have to notice that there's a reason why they stick to it
They don't just like the name BETA 9
they like the mechanics
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:48 PM
^
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:48 PM
Good for them, but we won't give them support as the plugin is moving in the direction the head staff wants it to
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:49 PM
At this point you're making it seem like that the staff is doing this for the staff's sake
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:49 PM
Is it a coincidence that the people who stay on beta 9 are also toxic?
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:49 PM
Not all of them are toxic
there are some that are more tame
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:49 PM
Speaking for myself, I'm not here to please you no
Nor any other player
That might very well be different for the other members
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:50 PM
Ok then what the hell are you doing?
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:50 PM
So, what staff is here to please? themselves?
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:50 PM
I'm here for group programming experience (Git)
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:50 PM
Do you just find this fun to do as a passtime or something(edited)
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:50 PM
Do you guys take in any sort of feeedback or input?
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:50 PM
As well as my hobby, programming
Well, yes
This is my hobby
I do this in my sparetime
This is not my primary thing in life
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:51 PM
Tsk
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:51 PM
I'm part of staff because I enjoy programming and avatar, this combines that. I'm not here to please anyone but myself really
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:51 PM
The fact that you really don't care about the players just disgusts me
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:51 PM
I'll just listen to other staff to hear what they think should change, I personally am not here to actively suggest changes
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:52 PM
You can call the competitive people toxic all you want, but I'm seeing the same attitude in both you and the competitive players
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:52 PM
They're all welcome if they would drop the attitude really
As a developer I'm all for staying up-to-date and an open source community setting
The latter should be worked on
Since the community is now much smaller than it used to be, there's indeed no need to be so official IMO
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:53 PM
So everyone's in for themselves?
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:53 PM
@WhiteXShadow
This is volunteer work
We do this for free
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:53 PM
I specifically said, I was only talking about myself @TavoKošmaras
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:54 PM
^
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:54 PM
I mean, White is fully aware of that.(edited)
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:54 PM
I do this because
-I want experience
-It's fun
-It's nice helping people
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:54 PM
^
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:54 PM
Is he? he's fully disgusted by finn not caring
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:54 PM
But let's not forget, how PK BEGAN and it's a community.
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:54 PM
finn doesn't HAVE to care
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:54 PM
Not a private plugin.
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:54 PM
I mean PK isn't my main priority
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:54 PM
but he's a volunteer
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:54 PM
Regardless, criticism will flow and nobody's immune.
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:55 PM
Yes
Finn does listen
Finn_Bueno_Today at 12:55 PM
I have a job, a social life, relations to maintain, school, etc etc
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:55 PM
@FavouriteDragon you aren't listening.
Well, nobody's denying that you have life
It's kinda irrelevan argument anyway.
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:56 PM
?
What don't I get?
Finn isn't here to make everybody happy
He's here to have fun and learn and grow as a person
so am I
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:57 PM
I am disgusted that Finn doesn't care
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:57 PM
Time does have restrain and can trip you, but who talked about that?(edited)
WhiteXShadowToday at 12:57 PM
That he'd agree that casting aside a part of the community
Is the right thing to do
If he wants them to drop the attitude, fair point
But in reality,if they really want the toxic benders to drop the attitude, they should let them feel included as well
You know
some of them, and my friends and I
were actually fairly surprised at 1.8.7
We were actually kind of happy for some of the changes that were made(edited)
Because we could work with some of them
and make a fun game out of it
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:59 PM
I mean If you wanna know that the quality control decline, look at how bots started taking over of the forum.
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:59 PM
Ehh
some  toxic benders can't be reasoned with
they're just jerks
You can't please everyone
However, most are human beings that are just too competitive like me
TavoKošmarasToday at 12:59 PM
engagement kinda went lost there.
FavouriteDragonToday at 12:59 PM
well mist has made an effort
TavoKošmarasToday at 1:00 PM
He did. I love him for that.
WhiteXShadowToday at 1:01 PM
There are some that are totally unreasonable
And if they leave, so be it
TavoKošmarasToday at 1:01 PM
Though why it can't continue like that?
WhiteXShadowToday at 1:01 PM
But not everyone that likes beta 9 are one of those types of people
TavoKošmarasToday at 1:01 PM
Generalizing people is a bad thing. How does it help If you group a rotten apple to all the other fresh ones? And it wasn't our point other, but shouldn't be yours either(edited)
WhiteXShadowToday at 1:01 PM
they're just people that like the old mechanics and the way how fights occur
And you know, at the end of the day, to me it doesn't make sense
You guys shun the toxic benders, but those guys are the closest to the PK style of bending w/o jedcore since they use addons minimally
But then you guys don't integrate with JedCore either, which is what all of the community uses, with the other half of the spectrum heavily indulging in JedCore
TavoKošmarasToday at 1:03 PM
Preach.
FavouriteDragonToday at 1:04 PM
Lol