christ: emotions and Aristotle's standard

christ
fr33d0g you want to be able to say racist things. lockie wants to be able to say anti-semitic things. this kind of hateful trolling drives away decent people, and decent conversation.
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Topic: decent people in here? OUR DOORMAT IS FOOT-THICK SHIT !
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christ
i'm hoping 2019 will be better, kultur. for everyone.
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Monfd
christ: Do you have any reason to think 2019 will be better?
kultur
most of our history has been determined by our approach to our black citizens
Monfd
Or are you expressing a general emotional sentiment.
Monfd
christ: There is no group of semitic people.
christ
hope is the operative word.
Monfd
It's an obsolete, folk-taxonomic term used by non-scientists.
Monfd
You just say anti-Jewish.
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Monfd
It was literally created in party by Zionists as part of a political struggle in the region around 1900.
Monfd
in part*
christ
Monfd i'm very unlikely to take advice from you.
Monfd
christ: I am quoting Wikipedia.
christ
But thank you for sharing your perspective.
kultur
the most decisive moments in our national story, from the formulation of our constitutions, to the civil war, to the social changes that followed world war two, were a direct result of grappling with the systematic enslavement and oppression of black folks
Monfd
christ: I haven't yet shared my perspective.
Monfd
I am sharing Wikipedia's perspective.
Monfd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
kultur
it's impossible to understand america without understanding black and native history
christ
You sure are typing a lot. Chill out.
Monfd
Semites, Semitic people or Semitic cultures (from the biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם‎) was a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group who speak or spoke the Semitic languages.[2][3][4][5]
Monfd
"was a term"
Monfd
christ: I am calm. I have an extreme IQ.
Monfd
My normal is verbose, creative, and expressive.
Monfd
First used in the 1770s by members of the Göttingen School of History, the terminology was derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Book of Genesis,[6] together with the parallel terms Hamites and Japhetites. The terminology is now largely obsolete outside linguistics.[7][8][9] However, in archaeology, the term is sometimes used informally as "a kind of shorthand" for ancient Semitic-speaking peoples.[9
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christ
Monfd important life lesson for you, little buddy. no one gives a shit if you're right, if you're also an arsehole.
kultur
it's easier to win an argument by agreeing with someeone than by disagreeing
Monfd
That's right, Semitic is a term from a religious text.
Monfd
Clearly not a good basis for a scientific term.
Monfd
"largely obsolete outside linguistics"
Monfd
There's a Semitic language family, christ.
Monfd
There are no Semitic peoples.
Monfd
I have other citations that bolster the point that language != culture.
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Monfd
christ: That's an interesting perspective.
christ
You're not exceptionally intelligent, unless you are still in single digits, Monfd. I understand that you think you are exceptionally intelligent, and filter and fish for feedback that would confirm that essentially untenable perspective. You are not gifted. You're just kind of aspy and more thoughtful than most people you know.
Monfd
Your statement is false as written, as you included absolute qualifier @ 'no one'.
Monfd
In reality, human psychology is diverse and different people value different things, though we can speak of trends, of course.
kultur
i think i've had monfd and wave on ignore for months now
kultur
it's peaceful here
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christ
i've been disappointed with chat for the past couple of months. it might be the time difference here in ireland.
Monfd
In general, yes, a lot of people put their social considerations above a high-level consideration of the truth.
Monfd
Is this a good pattern?
kultur
Black history is the alpha and omega of american history, itea.
kultur
It's our prime mover.
christ
when i was in california in may, june, i felt that chat was pretty good.
Monfd
It is a good pattern for some questions, and a bad pattern for other questions.
Monfd
If you're evaluating 'Is this person a good mate or friend for me?', then I would recommend putting how much you subjectively like them over any considerations of objective truth.
Monfd
If you're evaluating, 'Is there a semitic group of people on Earth?', then how much you like the person is wholly irrelevant to their truth claims.
kultur
The civil war was just a footnote, right?
Monfd
In this case, I advocate abandoning our evolutionary dispositions to highly value social relationships, per philosophy.
kultur
The civil rights movement was just a footnote, right?
christ
Imagining that you have privileged access to or familiarity with some sort of truth is a fundamentally religious perspective that derives out of fundamental human urges predicated upon gene transmission.
kultur
Millions of people living their entire lives under Jim Crow was just a footnote, right?
Monfd
christ: Your post that started with "You're not exceptionally intelligent..." didn't contain any meaningful content, so I set that post aside.
kultur
I'm one of the most openly racist motherfuckers here, but that doesn't give you the right to revise American history.
Monfd
christ: I'm considering your most recent post.
Monfd
I'm concerned you've lost the threat.
christ
Truth is something we create, not something that exists out there. Reality is only our mode of accessing the real, not the real itself.
Monfd
You gave an analysis of lockie and his desire to say "anti-semitic" things.
00:17 Monfd
This was meant by you to be a casual analysis. In your casual analysis you used a non-scientific, obsolete term "anti-semitic".
christ
Monfd you are boring me. you're a self-impressed internet autodidact with a grossly inflated opinion of your own knowledge and abilities.
Monfd
My sharing there is no semitic group of people was meant as a quick correction from which you could learn.
kultur
It's only dangerous for pussy ass white boys like you.
Monfd
You turning this into a extremely intense social encounter where we have to demonstrate a host of values before we learn from Wikipedia is not a good pattern, in my view.
Monfd
christ: I recommend you try to have this conversation while disallowing yourself from performing ad hominems.
christ
I'm unlikely to learn anything from someone wit as little erudition, humility as you have.
Monfd
It builds integrity and sets a practice for emotional control.
Monfd
christ: My perceived qualities for you are not relevant for an important subset of questions, remember.
Monfd
That was your original thesis that I subsumed into a two-part cognitive-social model.
Monfd
Until you provide a better model or refute my model, my subsuming model is strictly more expressive and your framework is abandoned.
christ
You are trying far too hard to impress youself and convince yourself that you are of value, Monfd. it's pathetic and tiresome to observe.
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Monfd
So, yes, you should learn from me a range of things independent of my perceived qualities, while simultaneously adjusting your behavior towards me on other issues for my perceived qualities.
Monfd
Making globalized decisions where you ban people from your consideration is a transparent emotional coping mechanism, right.
Monfd
You reminded me of Aristotle:
christ
I don't care what you think. You have demonstrated your middlebrow credentials and lack of redeeming qualities to such an extent that it makes it very unlikely that I'm going to even read the entirety of your sentences.
Monfd
"Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy."
christ
You're boring, and quite honestly, that's one of the worst things you can be here.
Monfd
christ: You are wrong to not care what I think on some topics.
kultur
What the fuck are you on about, itea? The civil war was about slavery.
Monfd
I believe you that you don't care, but this merely an expression of emotional failure.
Monfd
It is easy to not care about the things said by a person who annoys you.
Monfd
Anybody can do that.
christ
Boring and self-impressed. Don't expect other people to give a shit about what you think.
Monfd
christ: I went ahead and put you on ignore.
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kultur
Not about the abolition of slavery, but about southern fears that slavery would soon be abolished, and their concerns about fugitive slave laws and loss of national influence that might conceivably lead to the sunset of slavery at some undetermined time in the future.
Monfd
You do not seem to have the ability to get yourself out of this emotional situation you've found yourself in.
kultur
This is middle school history.
kultur
Everyone knows this.
Monfd
The standard to aim for is to care about the right things to the right degree at the right time and for the purpose from each person you meet -- and that's not within everybody's power and is not easy.
Monfd
Aspire to Aristotle's standard, as opposed to your current standard.
kultur
It's called social studies in middle schoool.
Monfd
Room, for the record, note that christ never once responded to the claims from Wikipedia.
Monfd
The entire experience became, for him, a personal encounter. This reveals a lot about the relative way in which they value data/objectivity v. their emotions.