[19:59] Capoke: also, any pointers for going for GS since I got rejected like 2 months ago?
[20:00] BingBon: hmmm
[20:00] BingBon: well let me start by asking what you're looking to become an upper for
[20:03] Capoke: Honestly probably mostly the whitelist extension I guess, but well
[20:03] Capoke: several other things as well
[20:04] BingBon: it's good to give honest answers, that's a positive :)
[20:04] BingBon: so I'm going to ask why you want more WL time
[20:04] BingBon: as a follow-up to that answer
[20:05] Capoke: Managing dungeons, pop in other clans to visit, stuff like that
[20:05] Capoke: I like giving away dungeon stuff in /games :p
[20:06] Capoke: also running dungeons myself
[20:06] BingBon: let me ask then, have you considered the private runs we have available in Hyrule for that?
[20:07] BingBon: We have an annex which can be gotten for things like that for those with that kind of interest
[20:07] Capoke: Yeah, I like doing it with friends though
[20:08] BingBon: for privates you can include any players you want in your run, including non-clannies
[20:08] BingBon: if your friends aren't in Hyrule
[20:08] Capoke: Ah, cool
[20:08] Capoke: didn't know about that part
[20:08] BingBon: we can grant them a WL into the annex for the duration of the run and you guys can run it together
[20:09] BingBon: and privates in the annex do not count against your WL time
[20:09] BingBon: so if you do it there you don't have to use WL credits for those dungeon runs
[20:09] Capoke: I run about 4-5 dungeons at a time
[20:09] Capoke: there enough of those?
[20:09] BingBon: I can't help you with that part I'm afraid, we only have 1, maybe 2 if I weren't so lazy extra places to run things
[20:10] Capoke: hmm, but of a problem there then
[20:11] BingBon: One part of that which doesn't make sense to me is why do 4-5 at once instead of running 4-5x as many turns in 1 to finish 4-5x faster and then get just as much loot in the same amount of time
[20:12] Capoke: I do do that
[20:12] Capoke: I BK them all at once since BKers are usually busy
[20:13] BingBon: and your friend circle has no boss-killers I take it
[20:13] BingBon: so you hire out
[20:13] Capoke: yep
[20:13] Capoke: usually between 2-3 BKers
[20:14] BingBon: from a clan perspective I'm a little less sympathetic to that not because I think it's a bad practice
[20:14] BingBon: but because that sounds like something WL time is used for, which is personal, non-clan activities
[20:15] Capoke: Also. Brally and a few others wanted a discord as well, if you haven't been told by them yet :|
[20:15] BingBon: not as yet :)
[20:16] BingBon: but back to this other question, what aspects of upper characteristics do you think you hit well on?
[20:16] Capoke: Brally's on, if you want to ask him, maybe he can provide details I missed
[20:16] Capoke: and uh
[20:16] BingBon: Based on my notes, part of the reason you were denied was because you have a tendency to have more solo or out-of-clan things that get more of your energy and interest
[20:17] Capoke: I did teach Brally how to dungeon run a bit
[20:17] BingBon: which there's nothing wrong with, but it does beg the question as to what from this clan keeps you here vs just going off elsewhere where the restrictions are looser
[20:17] BingBon: I like having you here, don't get me wrong, it's just that's the natural question
[20:17] BingBon: (and I don't want you to leave is implicit in that)
[20:18] Capoke: I've made friends here. Was just a random join at first, but it gets hard to leave friends behind
[20:18] Capoke: Especially if the friends aren't in any other channels that you're in
[20:18] Capoke: Hard to have a conversation starter if there's nothing to converse about in the first place
[20:20] BingBon: yeah, I know that feeling
[20:21] BingBon: I think what I would like to see from you for eventual GS approval is putting some of your energy into things that benefit the clan as a whole more directly
[20:21] BingBon: I think your presence in chat is great, you're fun to talk to and hang out with
[20:21] Capoke: I'd host contests but...
[20:21] Capoke: You know
[20:21] Capoke: Lack of discord :P
[20:21] Capoke: Discord would help a lot
[20:21] BingBon: but a lot of the leaving to farm dungeons and wanting to still keep /clan access to chat feels like you're focused on getting what you want out of all aspects of things without the give-back options
[20:22] BingBon: I'd be interested to see what your ideas are for a discord for contests that can't be achieved natively, we could talk about that in more detail if you think you could make something happen on that en
[20:22] BingBon: d
[20:22] BingBon: it would have to be pretty convincing since I've run many many contests with only KoL and tons of success
[20:23] Capoke: imo with discord it's easier to reach out to many people at once
[20:23] BingBon: but that aside, you could do things like encourage clannies to go into our own dungeon instances
[20:23] Capoke: Including people not currently in the clan
[20:23] Capoke: Oh, I do that plenty
[20:23] Capoke: I even tell them how to prepare lol
[20:23] BingBon: the thing about people not in the clan though is that's not typically how Hyrule works
[20:23] BingBon: the majority of our members are on in KoL when they're playing
[20:23] Capoke: Fair enough
[20:23] BingBon: they're not elsewhere
[20:24] BingBon: I guess another question on that is "have you tried running an event without a discord?"
[20:24] BingBon: or is it more conjectural?
[20:24] Capoke: Yeah, not in KOL though
[20:24] BingBon: giving some things a go with some real energy would be great
[20:24] Capoke: Took a while to coordinate everything
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[20:25] BingBon: and if you failed to attract much of an audience without a discord, that would make your argument much less theoretical to me as well
[20:25] BingBon: for getting one
[20:25] BingBon: (obviously no sabotaging it by not trying et cetera)
[20:25] Capoke: I have
[20:25] Capoke: I did a few for a game a few years ago
[20:26] BingBon: oh sorry, I meant specifically here in Hyrule
[20:26] Capoke: aighty
[20:26] BingBon: also, do you run much in our own basements or just advise?
[20:26] Capoke: Advise, I've ran it like twice
[20:27] Capoke: planning to do a slime tube potentially though
[20:27] BingBon: OK, I think then seeing you more active in our own dungeons and maybe trying to put on some events just with the message board and possibly some help from me to advertise via announcement would make y
[20:27] BingBon: our application for upper a lot stronger
[20:27] BingBon: I'm someone who likes to see actions most of all
[20:28] BingBon: and actions that are integrated with clan life is a big thing that differentiates uppers
[20:28] BingBon: I think those are some concrete steps you could take which would help your case a lot
[20:28] BingBon: because I think you have the chatting and sense of community down well
[20:28] BingBon: you are definitely a great clannie in that respect