12 Lesta Nediam LNC2016-02-28 2240 +Maarten van Baggum

Lesta Nediam LNC2016-02-28 2240 +Maarten van Baggum
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+Maarten van Baggum __ Read this entire lengthy message if you are a serious person who wishes to continue talking with me. (If I edit this message it will be to fix typos - in a long message they are inevitable and my keyboard constantly skips letters.)

*Pay attention:* You make two confusing points.

*THE FIRST PART OF YOUR COMMENT:*

A) You suggest it would be a "complex conspiracy". What is complicated about it? Nothing is complicated about it. It is a very simple lie.

Trying to figure out the "conspiracy" COULD lead to a complicated "conspiracy theory" but that is always the danger of trying to fit all the pieces of the puzzle.

Whether or not there is really an "ISS" can tell us nothing at all about anything else (satellites, the "shape of the Earth" and so forth - all of that is SEPARATE).

I suggest it is all rather easy. *Some people are simply lying to us for the "greater good".*

It is our natural desire for there to be a "complex answer" that trips us up. People instinctively reject simple explanations and naturally favour elaborate and complex "theories".

I don't know you but I know you believe that "governments" drop bombs on children for the "greater good". *Think about the atomic bombs of Japan only a few decades ago.* If "governments" will kill innocent children for the "greater good" *then what makes you think they won't also lie to children for the "greater good"?*

Of course they would.

History is filled with many examples of "governments" harming populations for the "greater good" so why would lying to populations (also for the "greater good") be any more taboo? Why would that be out of the question?

It wouldn't.

After all - isn't lying to people easier than killing people? If you can cite examples of "governments" killing people for the "greater good" *then how can it be you draw a blank* when it comes to giving examples of lying to populations for the "greater good"?

Is it that it has never happened? That's ridiculous. Rather - it is simply a case of it happening all the time *right in front of you.* Literally *in your face.* And much like domestic blindness where your car keys are right in front of you but you cannot see them - you cannot see it.

You cannot see it in part because you are TRUSTING the very same groups of people who would KILL YOU if it happened to be for the "greater good"!

Haven't you ever wondered WHY you CONTINUE to trust the SAME groups of people who at various moments throughout history have PROVEN they will turn on their own populations?!

I am not saying anything controversial. I am merely pointing out something very obvious. It is just that YOU don't WANT to accept what it means.

You WANT to live in a world that has a real and manned "ISS" rather than live in a world that more simply lies about there being one.

*All I am doing is simply suggesting that the alleged "ISS" appears to be a modern example of "governments" lying to populations (especially children) for the "greater good".*

After all - every child grows up believing "astronauts" are top sh!t. You did. I did. *We all did.* _But why?_

Is it really just because we see them floating in the air? Does their messages about the world and the environment have more meaning just because of WHERE they are supposedly talking to us from?!

Children look up to "astronauts". We all did. *The "ISS" is a platform for impressing beliefs upon children.* Why else do you think the purported "ISS crew" spend such a goodly amount of their time talking to children instead of university students, engineers and *actual researchers?*

"Astronauts" are revered. *What they say sinks into the hearts, minds and imaginations of children.* "Astronauts" are profoundly influential. More so than any other profession.

"Astronauts" help to prepare young minds for future lies. *Right there is a simple incentive to lie and only a few people in TOTAL actually need to be involved.*

Nothing is complicated about it. The only problem "they" have is showing sustained duration zero gravity and that is achieved by cleverly stitching many briefer clips together.

The fact you and everyone else *already believes* it is real is what causes you to overlook and not even see the many indications of video magic.

When you watch the "ISS interviews" while wearing the hat that it is a magic trick you will suddenly see how flawed it all is. But when you watch it only wearing the hat that it is all real then you will spot none of those things. And when you do you will automatically and reflexively suppress the doubt.

*Haven't you found it odd that after over 15 years of manned "space stations" that there does not exist any sustained duration genuine micro/zero-gravity footage that upon scrutiny remains free from glaring glitches, clever cuts, sneaky edits and misdirecting pans?*

Of course it is odd. So think about how YOU are dismissing it. What is your "excuse" for it? What "plausible explanations" do you come up with? Do you reason to yourself that no one would be interested in watching two minutes of somersaults? Do you reason to yourself that watching a game of zero gravity ping-pong would be boring?

If those things are not shown to us because they are considered "too boring" (I would find them fascinating!) then how can it be we see *boring as crikey* "ISS interviews" that go for 20 to 30 minutes where the "astronaut" is asked the SAME QUESTIONS and gives the SAME ANSWERS!

If anything is boring THAT is boring.

And so what "plausible explanations" do you come up with to "explain away" the fact there is no genuine sustained duration zero gravity footage?

What we would expect to see if the "ISS" were real and manned is absent.

Look at the drama "MomoTheBellyDancer" is making just about a simple question about somersaults.

He/she is having to play dumb. All I asked was "what's the most somersaults you've seen an astronaut perform?" but he/she won't answer it. It isn't a trick question. The most I have seen is just two or three. How curious he/she refuses to answer.

If the alleged "ISS" is real and manned then don't you think there would be a single video of an "astronaut" clowning around and doing as many somersaults as he or she can in a minute or two?

If the "ISS" were real and manned then footage like that would exist.

Remember - these people are supposed to be in a permanent zero gravity environment. It's the one thing - _apparently_ - that they have an *endless amount* of. They supposedly have unlimited zero gravity.

And so let us suppose they work 12 hours a day and sleep for 8. *That gives them about 4 hours EVERY DAY to make a "home movie" for their family and friends where they are showing off cool things that can only be achieved in a permanent zero gravity environment.*

Many are aboard the "ISS" for days to weeks at a time. Some are there for months at a time. Think about all of the opportunities. Four hours a day multiplied by weeks and weeks.

*ALL WE NEED TO SEE IS A CLEAN DEMONSTRATION OF GENUINE ZERO GRAVITY FOR TEN MINUTES!*

And despite weeks and weeks of "four hours a day" opportunities none of the "astronauts" can record for us a simple ten minute video of genuine zero gravity that upon scrutiny remains free from glaring glitches, clever cuts, sneaky edits and misdirecting pans?!


If "NASA" really wanted they could film this required footage and post it to YouTube in the next half an hour. But they haven't and after 15+ years it is clear that they won't.

And this isn't at all odd or suspicious to you?!

Of course - it all makes sense to "MomoTheBellyDancer" - but that's no surprise when you consider he/she cannot give an honest and direct answer to ANYTHING (and has already been busted lying on this thread).

Excuses as to why we can never see such footage include *"they might bump into mission critical equipment!"* (but yet they don't seem to mind splashing water all over it!). Other excuses are *"it's too cramped"* but that doesn't stop them from doing somersaults in the first place!

*Every excuse we get will be flawed in some way because the person giving the excuse is in denial.*

And so you need to think it through. *If the "ISS" is real and manned then why is this footage missing?* After literally DECADES of allegedly manned "space stations" this kind of qualifying footage remains glaringly ABSENT.

And it is missing for one of two possible reasons:

1) There is no real and manned "ISS" and so it is not possible to make such footage.

2) *We are being DENIED such footage.*

Such footage is what we need to see *to justify a belief in a real and manned "ISS".*

Without it our belief is founded and formed on TRUST and PROOF'S APPEARANCES only.

>>> *That is what opens us up to being lied to about other things.* <<<

If you accept the "ISS" on trust and proof's appearances *then you will be inclined to accept everything else on trust and proof's appearances also.*


And now for..

*THE SECOND PART OF YOUR COMMENT:*

B) No one denies we can see a bright light in the sky that is consistently referred to as the "ISS". *What is disputed is that anyone can photograph it from the Earth with discernible details.*

Every single person who has posted a video to YouTube claiming to have documented the "ISS" with details is lying. *Yes, really.* If there is no real and manned "ISS" then this is necessarily the case. And if there is a real and manned "ISS" it remains the case for reasons I will now point out.

>>> *Even if there was an "ISS" to photograph it with details would be incredibly difficult!* <<<


(Too difficult for the amateur chumps who are posting videos of the "ISS" with amazing details to YouTube.)

If you read astronomy forums you will see people lamenting that they have spent years and years trying to photograph the "ISS" with details but *without any success.*

>>> *The best they can achieve is a bright dot of light.* <<<

But then we have people posting videos to YouTube who appear to achieve success on their very first go! *Amazing!*

How can it be?!

Here's the thing: if something is *extremely difficult* to photograph but happens to be *REALLY EASY to fake via CGI* then what do you suppose people are going to do?!

>>> *What do you think people who crave praise and kudos are going to do?* <<<

Even if the "ISS" is real and manned do you really think EVERY photo/video posted to the Internet of it is genuine?

Don't be stupid. Of course they're not. EVEN IF it were real there would be a LOT of fakes floating about.

And so even if we assume the "ISS" is real and manned AND can be photographed with details then here is a question I don't see anyone able to answer: *How do you discern between what is a real image and what is a fake image?!*

I recently asked "Reds Rhetoric" - a most shifty character who has positioned himself on YouTube as a "guru of science" with a niche for "rockets, astronomy and all things space" to personally vouch for some footage of the "ISS from Earth with discernible details".

*He outright, categorically and abusively refused.*

"Reds Rhetoric" will tell you that he refused because I will auto-reject what he presents but that's a weak excuse. If "Reds Rhetoric" were to cite genuine footage and I were to reject it then only I - _and not he_ - would look stupid!


"Reds Rhetoric" will tell you that he refused because I am "dishonest". He will tell you that he refused because "my mind is already made up" on this issue.

But yet "Reds Rhetoric" is a guy who has made a name for himself "debunking" a flat Earther calling himself "Jeranism"!


If "Reds Rhetoric" refuses to communicate with me for the reasons I've outlined then what on _God's flat Earth_ is he doing spending HOURS and HOURS talking TO and ABOUT "Jeranism"?!

Why? *Because "Reds Rhetoric" is a fraud.*

As I say - my reasonable request was for "Reds Rhetoric" to link me to footage of the "ISS from Earth" that shows discernible details *that he personally vouches for as genuine and is willing to stake his reputation on.*

As I say - he has refused for the reasons outlined but yet he continues talking to "Jeranism" about the "ISS".

>>>>> *The real reason "Reds Rhetoric" refuses to fulfil my reasonable request is because he knows that all such footage is fraudulent.* <<<<<


Even if the "ISS" were real and manned "Reds Rhetoric" does not know of anyone genuine who has photographed it. That is why he refuses. Because it is so much easier to FAKE a video of an "ISS flyover" than to actually record it. If he genuinely filmed it then all he would get is a *DOT OF LIGHT.*

And so now to avoid vouching for someone else's FAKE footage (and ruining his own reputation plus theirs) he has been forced to post some garbage "ISS" footage of his own to his own channel (and talk about it endlessly to "Jeranism" who is just the other side of the same coin).

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*I have written a lot and I have explained myself.* If you are a serious person who wants to continue talking to Lesta then you will need to address the points I have raised in this lengthy message.


Pick one and let's talk about it. But if you can only respond like "MomoTheBellyDancer" then this will be my last message to you.


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Here is Lesta Nediam's Google Plus posts (i.e., blog) - this is where Lesta is most active:
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Here is Lesta Nediam's YouTube channel - for videos about the lie system:
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