<fa1nt> i.e. left/right/center
<Bobbo> You can't hold a weapon in the centre...
<fa1nt> HAHAHA
<Bobbo> Unless... you have three arms, fa1nt ?
<fa1nt> it's called realism
<fa1nt> you dont hold a gun to the fucking left or right of your vision
<fa1nt> you use both arms to hold it in the center so you can aim straight
<Bobbo> Um.
<Bobbo> Lol?
<fa1nt> Um.
<Bobbo> If you held it in the centre... How're you supposed to you know... Actually look down the sights... Or shoot without knocking teeth out (if it's that powerful?)
<fa1nt> if you're holding a gun close enough to your face to knock your teeth out, you shouldnt be holding a gun in the first place
<fa1nt> look down the sights? they're right in front of you...?
<Bobbo> Yeah, but if you've got it in the middle your dominate eye won't be aligned and you'll get parallax error.
<fa1nt> wtf are you on about
<Bobbo> (and then you'll have to adjust the windage for it)
<quin> would need duplicate animations
<quin> its a model anim thing, handedness
<Bobbo> Okay, so when you shoot a gun, unless you're firing from the hip (which is at the side) you put the butt into your shoulder.
<cinta> WARNING: quin may be experiancing issues typing due to a baby in his lap
<fa1nt> quin, wouldn't be too hard, we're not changing anything just moving it
<fa1nt> i could do it if i knew how to export correctly
<Bobbo> fa1nt : No, you're flipping it.
<Bobbo> So, unless it's a pistol which you're holding out in front of you (and you still have a dominate hand/eye then), you're firing on one side of you.
<fa1nt> Bobbo: no, you're wrong, the HUD does not move with the weapon position
<Bobbo> Lemme take some screenshots.
<Bobbo> You'll get it if I do that.
<fa1nt> don't bother, you don't understand
<fa1nt> try holding something in real life and positioning it as if it was a rifle etc
<quin> the sway/bob effects are purely aesthetic
<Bobbo> fa1nt : I'm a shooting instructor.
<Bobbo> I know how to shoot properly. >.<
<Evropi> >comparing real life to Red Eclipse
<Evropi> yeah, NO.
<Bobbo> Evropi : He said realism.
<fa1nt> how convenient isnt that
<quin> the way the weapon moves left and right is called sway, the way the camera moves left and right is called bob
<Bobbo> quin : We're not even talking about that.
<quin> but it is faked
<quin> "the HUD does not move with the weapon position"
<Bobbo> He's not getting what I'm wanting.
<Bobbo> or saying, rather.
* fa1nt goes to sleep
<fa1nt> wake me up when he listens to me
<fa1nt> quin, he thought if weapon was positioned on left, hud would be flipped automatically but that is not the case
<quin> probably talking about mirroring
<Bobbo> ^
<quin> i dunno, i can't understand it very well either
<Bobbo> Uploading.
<fa1nt> heh
<quin> if you mirrored the view *everything* would be backward
<Bobbo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14141289/normal.png < What I normally see
<Bobbo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14141289/left.png < Current left handed version
<fa1nt> 404s
<Bobbo> ff
<Bobbo> Been too long since I used Dropbox.
<Bobbo> Not 404. :3
<Bobbo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14141289/lefty.png
<Bobbo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14141289/whatIWouldLike.png < Except the hud not backwards.
<fa1nt> oh lol, in third person?
<fa1nt> dont give a single flying fuck
<Bobbo> Same applies to first person, lol
<fa1nt> well idc centered weapons its much easier to aim anyway
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