#school4lulz -- How to Read a Wiki

--- Log opened Tue Aug 16 22:09:44 2011
22:09 :: Irssi: #school4lulz: Total of 84 nicks (5 ops, 1 halfops, 1 voices, 77 normal)
22:09 :: mode/#school4lulz (+o d1zzY) by Lulzboat
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22:09 <~Fox> So, you get a voice right?
22:09 <~Fox> You say something stupid. That happens.
22:10 <@d1zzY> lol
22:10 <~Fox> Anyways, d1zzY PM him for voice
22:10 <@Bratty> something stupid
22:10 <@d1zzY> questions?? PM me or bratty for Voice
22:10 <@Bratty> ;x
22:10 <~Fox> Bratty is our sexretary.
22:10 :: Bratty was kicked from #school4lulz by Fox (Abuse.)
22:10 :: mode/#school4lulz (+o Bratty) by Lulzboat
22:10 <@Bratty> lolol
22:10 <~Fox> Now, moving along since these douchebags are finished.
22:10 <~Fox> Tonights class is on encryption, virtual machines, hiding things
22:10 <~Fox> General 101, of making shit hard for other people.
22:11 <~Fox> We've done this a couple times before, but at the requests of some people
22:11 <~Fox> we're going over it again, with a lot of new content,
22:11 <~Fox> some more step-by-step,
22:11 <~Fox> and a little less tin-foil hat.
22:11 <~Fox> So, with that lets begin.
22:11 <~Fox> Right now, my personal preference of setup, is pretty simple.
22:12 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v _1lluminat1_) by d1zzY
22:12 <+_1lluminat1_> and specific operating systems? or is this open discussion
22:12 <~Fox> Linux box, with encrypted home partition (lukscrypt),
22:12 :: mode/#school4lulz (-v _1lluminat1_) by d1zzY
22:12 <~Fox> I'll cover quite a bit for you
22:12 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v turbopinko) by d1zzY
22:13 <~Fox> Also, revoice him, but please put your questions to them, to funnel up to me, for logs cleanliness.
22:13 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v diesl0w) by Fox
22:13 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v _1lluminat1_) by d1zzY
22:13 <~Fox> Anyways,
22:13 <+diesl0w> wrd.
22:13 <~Fox> Linux box, with encrypted home partition (lukscrypt),
22:13 <~Fox> Then from there, I am a fan of truecrypt in some ways,
22:13 <~Fox> Most of my documentation is kept within a regular truecrypt partition that I label /data
22:14 <~Fox> from there, a hidden partition within that of /data/secure
22:14 <~Fox> Thats where I keep my Virtual Machines, and other sensitive nastiness.
22:14 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v case) by d1zzY
22:14 <~Fox> From there, my VMs are based upon the needs of the day.
22:14 <~Fox> Am I wrecking shit?
22:14 <~Fox> Or am I just chilling on IRC, and handling business.
22:15 <~Fox> Now, I'm getting lit up about truecrypt.
22:15 <~Fox> NOTHING. IS. INFALLIABLE.
22:15 <@d1zzY> _1lluminat1_ asks: Why does one keep their VMs in a secure area?
22:15 <~Fox> Know tihs.
22:15 <~Fox> I'll get to that
22:15 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v redrock) by d1zzY
22:15 <~Fox> Truecrypt does have known flaws, but still as esc mentioned
22:16 <~Fox> the ability to cascade different sets of encryption is a function that to my knowledge is unparalleled.
22:16 <~Fox> Plus, I mean fuck.
22:16 <~Fox> You're gonna go through an enc home partition
22:16 <~Fox> a fuckin truecrypt volume
22:16 <~Fox> PLUS A HIDDEN?
22:17 <~Fox> THEN YOU MAY HAVE TO GET THROUGH MY VM?
22:17 <~Fox> ffs.
22:17 <~Fox> I'm not that bad.
22:17 <~Fox> And if you're here, you're certainly not.
22:17 :: mrbroadcloak is now known as C21H26O2
22:17 <~Fox> Anyways
22:18 <~Fox> A lot will tell you AMG YOUR FUCKING PASSWORD HAS TO BE RETARDEDLY AWESOME HOLY FUCK AMG AMG AMG
22:18 <~Fox> Fuck that.
22:18 <~Fox> right?
22:18 <~Fox> Password difficulty is a pretty fickle thing.
22:18 <~Fox> Anyone here see the XKCD article?
22:18 <~Fox> *cartoon
22:18 <~Fox> whatever.
22:18 <~Fox> On password entropy?
22:18 <+case> ye
22:18 <~Fox> Got passed around here a lot, someone able to get that link?
22:19 <+redrock> http://xkcd.com/936/
22:19 <@d1zzY> redrock wants to know why you encrypt /home and not the entire system?
22:19 <~Fox> Thank you.
22:19 <@d1zzY> TehSushi wants to know best linux distro besides gentoo
22:19 <~Fox> redrock makes a good point.
22:20 <+case> and how much the encryption/decryption thing slows everything down?
22:20 <+redrock> -boot of course
22:20 <~Fox> Honestly, because I'm already putting in PWs anyways.
22:20 <@d1zzY> http://www.pindarsign.de/webblog/?p=767
22:20 <@d1zzY> whoops
22:20 <@d1zzY> http://xkcd.com/538/
22:20 <~Fox> Like, those file volumes, and types, are pretty grimy.
22:20 <~Fox> Like any cryptographer would be like fml.
22:20 <~Fox> Just plain and simple.
22:21 <~Fox> I could, but why hide my configs and etc,
22:21 <~Fox> You know?
22:21 <~Fox> Nothing in there is going to be so revealing that it's gonna make a bit of difference.
22:21 <+_1lluminat1_> when running a VM, why is is smart to hide it in a secure location?
22:21 <@d1zzY> ^^he said he'd get to that lol
22:22 <~Fox> And I promise I will
22:22 <+_1lluminat1_> k, my bad
22:22 <~Fox> also linux distros, I'll probably be fucking castrated for it, but I've always been a fan of CentOS, RHEL, and Ubuntu.
22:22 <@d1zzY> Fox: shit like sqlmap stores dumps in /opt/ or /usr/
22:22 <~Fox> d1zzY: hence the vms..
22:22 <@d1zzY> but then again, i guess you're hackin on the VM and not your box...nevermind
22:22 <~Fox> Asshat.
22:22 <~Fox> But no, I'm not a distro elitest...
22:23 <~Fox> but if you don't ever brew your own..
22:23 <~Fox> you're kind of a faggot.
22:23 <~Fox> Just saying.
22:23 <~Fox> Like, you need the struggle
22:23 <~Fox> of wanting to put your fist
22:23 <~Fox> through a screen
22:23 <~Fox> over dependencies.
22:23 <@d1zzY> My input: I think best distro = Arch..it's not bloated w/ shit like ubuntu and doesn't come w/ open ports default but isn't gentoo pos
22:23 <~Fox> d1zzY is a retard.
22:23 <~Fox> please disregard him.
22:23 <~Fox> gentoo pos....
22:23 <+turbopinko> coughBSDcough
22:23 <~Fox> ....
22:24 <~Fox> sacrelidge.
22:24 <+redrock> bloat mattered when we had 64mb of ram
22:24 <+turbopinko> BSD is the most secure out of the box *nix distro
22:24 <+diesl0w> ubuntu is like a pink fluffy bunny
22:24 <@d1zzY> yeah, i just read about how BSD is like, so many years behind everything else...
22:24 <~Fox> turbopinko makes a great point. BSD is for those whom have a strong constitution.
22:24 <+turbopinko> yeah it really is
22:24 <~Fox> Anyways
22:24 <~Fox> not here for distro argument
22:24 <~Fox> use what you use. read, research
22:25 <~Fox> don't just take my advice as word of god.
22:25 <~Fox> please fucking christ, don't do that
22:25 <~Fox> I'm here to guide, and educate
22:25 <@d1zzY> lmao
22:25 <~Fox> not be final word.
22:25 <~Fox> Anyways
22:25 <~Fox> moving on the line,
22:25 <~Fox> As d1zzY has pointed out, I was stolen by the gentoo cult a while back.
22:26 <~Fox> I still taste other flavors, but the school crew has always hit the gentoo kool aid hard.
22:26 <~Fox> So, moving back over to password entropy and shit like that.
22:26 <~Fox> Take this example
22:27 <~Fox> correcthorsebatterystaple
22:27 <~Fox> Now, although it does fucking great
22:27 <~Fox> combine the two.
22:27 <~Fox> c0rr3cth0r53b4tt3ryst4pl3
22:27 <~Fox> c0rr3cth0r53b4tt3ryst4pl3!!1!#
22:27 <~Fox> Oh shit.
22:27 <~Fox> I just made something that I can most likely fucking remember
22:28 <~Fox> that now is exponentially more difficult, by at least a few more passes.
22:28 <~Fox> People say shit like OH MEMORIZE A PASSWORD HASHED IN LIKE 12 DIFFERENT METHODS
22:28 <~Fox> I literally dare anyone right now, that has a hash memorized, to speak up.
22:29 <~Fox> I'll wait a minute.
22:29 <~Fox> Exactly.
22:29 <~Fox> No one does that,
22:29 <~Fox> because it is insane.
22:29 <~Fox> I am not insane.
22:29 <~Fox> I will never tell you to do that.
22:30 <@orbital> i got pi remembered to 300 digits I CAN DO IT /insane
22:30 <~Fox> Now, you want to be supercool, you can throw keyfiles in the mix
22:30 <~Fox> So, now your boots looking like that
22:30 <~Fox> *this
22:30 <~Fox> boot - pw for enc /home
22:30 <~Fox> pop in sd card (OR IF YOUR PRO, MAKE FS ON SD CARD.) with keyfiles.
22:31 <~Fox> Unlock enc volume, or enc sd card,
22:31 <~Fox> sd card holds keyfiles which are just bullshit from dev/urandom
22:31 <~Fox> Everyone here DOES know what dev urandom is right?
22:32 <~Fox> Seriously.
22:32 <~Fox> Looking for input
22:32 <@d1zzY> yeas
22:32 <@d1zzY> yeah*
22:32 <~Fox> Everyone here knows?
22:32 <@d1zzY> nobody is PMin me asking?
22:32 <+_1lluminat1_> explain please
22:32 <+redrock> Yes
22:32 <~Fox> Ok
22:32 <~Fox> so
22:32 <~Fox> if you don't know what /dev/urandom is
22:32 <~Fox> please type in this
22:32 <~Fox> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda
22:32 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v sark) by d1zzY
22:33 <~Fox> That will show you
22:33 <~Fox> exactly what I'm talking about.
22:33 <~Fox> Please run that right now, if you don't know what I'm talking about.
22:33 <~Fox> Anyways, moving along, you have your randomized garbage keys
22:33 <~Fox> stash em.
22:33 <~Fox> Your use copy
22:33 <~Fox> your backup
22:33 <~Fox> cause, there is literally nothing worse
22:33 <~Fox> than fucking up
22:34 <~Fox> wasting all these hours worth of encryption
22:34 <~Fox> and losing your shit
22:34 <+redrock> aside: lulz at terminal command
22:34 <~Fox> Anyways
22:34 <~Fox> Lets get into the meat huh?
22:35 <~Fox> I got some stuff pulled up cookie cutter for you kids
22:35 <~Fox> Anyone here not know how to handle their kernel?
22:36 <@d1zzY> what do you mean by "handle"
22:36 <~Fox> Cause there is no fucking way, I'm going through kernel recompiles with you guys right now.
22:36 <@d1zzY> lol
22:36 <~Fox> Like, that is a hell, you must face on your own.
22:36 <~Fox> Ya know
22:36 <~Fox> Like, we'll provide input and troll you
22:36 <~Fox> but, I can't just sit and go over all the potentials, and blah blah blah blah
22:36 <~Fox> That you shitbirds will ask
22:37 <~Fox> so going to -m for a second
22:37 <~Fox> who knows, who doesnt.
22:37 :: mode/#school4lulz (-m) by Fox
22:37 <~Fox> go.
22:37 <@d1zzY> How useful is GrSec for a personal comp?
22:37 < AndroUser> yes.
22:37 <~Fox> Very.
22:37 <+sark> <-- knows
22:38 <~Fox> Ooooh... broad sms....
22:38 <~Fox> sec.
22:38 <@d1zzY> soo
22:38 <+redrock> d1zzy: updated kernels will provide aslr by default but there are some addition features from pax that help
22:38 <@d1zzY> how many people ran the dd command?
22:39 :: d1zzY was kicked from #school4lulz by Fox (you have no idea you fucking derp.)
--- Log closed Tue Aug 16 22:39:00 2011
--- Log opened Tue Aug 16 22:39:17 2011
22:39 :: Irssi: #school4lulz: Total of 88 nicks (5 ops, 1 halfops, 7 voices, 75 normal)
22:39 :: mode/#school4lulz (+o d1zzY) by Lulzboat
22:39 :: Irssi: Join to #school4lulz was synced in 1 secs
22:39 <~Fox> :>
22:39 <@d1zzY> fuckin up my logs nigga
22:39 <~Fox> Moving along
22:39 <@d1zzY> lol
22:39 <~Fox> I aint gonna be doing anything fancy for you all on the meat and potatoes.
22:40 <~Fox> sec while I get mah
22:40 <~Fox> TEECHIN
22:40 <~Fox> UTILITY.
22:40 <~Fox> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/DM-Crypt_with_LUKS
22:40 <~Fox> Boom.
22:40 <~Fox> Warning: This would save your data only, you'd get killed either way. If the data is more important than your life it would be stupid for you to rely on the information presented in this document.
22:41 <~Fox> So this right here
22:41 <~Fox> will walk you through the steps
22:41 <~Fox> top to bottom
22:41 <~Fox> In order to get this setup running right
22:41 <~Fox> you're most likely going to be chrooting
22:41 <~Fox> and setting shit up yourself.
22:42 <~Fox> So lets see, where are you all gonna fuck this up.
22:43 <+sark> Leaving my passphrase on a slip of paper in my desk?
22:43 :: Shaggy|away is now known as Shaggy
22:43 <~Fox> Thats a big fucking up.
22:43 <@d1zzY> lol
22:43 <~Fox> now, note
22:43 <~Fox> this right here
22:44 <~Fox> will let you PICK YOUR FLAVOR OF CRAZY
22:45 <~Fox> So anyways, am I going to go over this doc top bottom
22:45 <~Fox> no you faggots
22:45 <~Fox> you can read
22:45 <~Fox> so, first things first
22:45 <~Fox> FOLLOW THIS.
22:45 <~Fox> READ, RE READ
22:45 <~Fox> READ A FUCKIN GAIN
22:45 <~Fox> Anyone here
22:45 <~Fox> that has done dirt, or admin work will tell you
22:45 <~Fox> there is nothing worse
22:45 <~Fox> than thinking you are the shit
22:46 <~Fox> and finding out, without an internet connection, and a non-working boot, that you are wrong.
22:46 <~Fox> Show of !'s who's done it.
22:46 :: mode/#school4lulz (-m) by Fox
22:46 <+redrock> !
22:46 < Steve2> done tihnking ?
22:46 <~Fox> Lying fucks.
22:46 < Steve2> thinking too
22:46 < Halcium> !!!
22:46 < Steve2> i try not to think, it hurts
22:46 <+redrock> reading doc pages on an old nokia fucking sucks
22:46 < V3r4eX> !
22:46 <~Fox> K.
22:47 <~Fox> See.
22:47 <~Fox> lol
22:47 <~Fox> .
22:47 <~Fox> anyways, sec, intermission
22:47 <~Fox> I need a piss and a cigarette afterwards.
22:47 <+sark> !
22:48 <~Fox> for the record
22:48 <~Fox> stop ircing from your own machine
22:49 <+case> from where then
22:49 < OpMonsanto> the moon oO
22:49 <@d1zzY> ssh
22:49 <~Fox> from a server you cunt
22:49 < alpha> Phone
22:49  * Steve2 has always ircd from his own machine
22:49 <@d1zzY> Fox: like a VPS?
22:49 <~Fox> yup
22:49 <@d1zzY> what if using like...i2p?
22:49 <~Fox> i'm a fan of amazon ec2 + vpn
22:49 < Halcium> please explain fox?
22:49 <+case> what's the cost ?
22:49 <~Fox> cost of vpn
22:50 <~Fox> lol
22:50 <@d1zzY> lol
22:50 <+case> wat
22:50 <~Fox> amazon ec2 tiny ami instances
22:50 <~Fox> are free.
22:50 <+redrock> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/
22:50 <@d1zzY> i was gonna say, is a free vps a bad idea for IRC?
22:50 < issue313> Any decent small shell services?
22:50 <~Fox> perfect for irssi
22:50 <@d1zzY> yeah thats what i mean
22:50 <~Fox> not with vpn support tmk
22:50 < Halcium> shell bad?
22:51 <~Fox> idk imho
22:51  * d1zzY is gonna need to format soon
22:51 <@d1zzY> =)
22:51 <~Fox> I'd rather know what they're seeing
22:52 <~Fox> than vice versa.
22:52 <~Fox> Admins are nosy fucks.
22:52  * Steve2 is an admin as is nosy as fuck
22:52 <~Fox> Indeed.
22:52 < Steve2> s/as/and
22:53 < Halcium> A nosey admin cost me my job a couple years ago, I think it was Steve2..
22:53 <~Fox> Anyways faggots
22:53 <~Fox> shush
22:54 :: mode/#school4lulz (+m) by Fox
22:54 <~Fox> Back in session
22:54 <~Fox> so who's even bothered to look at the wiki?
22:54 <@d1zzY> !
22:54  * sark raises hand.
22:54 <+case> !
22:54 <~Fox> Cool,
22:54 <~Fox> so that right there is your step by step
22:54 <~Fox> That includes full encryption
22:54 <~Fox> top-bottom
22:55 <~Fox> happy paranoid fags?
22:55 :: Steve2 is now known as I_havent
22:55 <~Fox> so, once again, as we love to say
22:55 :: I_havent is now known as Steve2
22:55 <~Fox> EAT YOUR FUCKING SD CARD
22:55 <~Fox> It sounds fucking weird.
22:55 <~Fox> But if you are not a HUGE threat
22:55 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v Steve2) by d1zzY
22:55 <~Fox> (IE: Fucking major corps, or Govt shit that is sensitive)
22:55 <~Fox> you'll do just dandy.
22:55 <~Fox> Eat the card
22:56 <~Fox> they'll throw some shit at it
22:56 <~Fox> as long as your password is long and relevant
22:56 <~Fox> and you keyfile
22:56 <~Fox> and be a dick
22:56 <~Fox> You'll do just fine
22:56 <~Fox> they will sweat
22:56 <~Fox> the ever
22:56 <~Fox> loving
22:56 <+redrock> <MissWonderful> fuckin asshole says, if you dont know what dev/urandom is, type dd if or
22:56 <~Fox> bejesus out of you
22:56 <~Fox> DID YOU DO IT?
22:56 <~Fox> Oh shit
22:56 <~Fox> hold up
22:56 :: mode/#school4lulz (-m) by Fox
22:56 <~Fox> please god
22:56 <~Fox> tell me thats what you did
22:56 <+Steve2> oh, hey, thats better
22:56 <+redrock> hahahahaha
22:57 <+redrock> he is bitching in #school
22:57 <~Fox> MissWonderful:
22:57 < MissWonderful> YES!~ u ass
22:57 <~Fox> HAHAHAHAHAHAH
22:57 <+Steve2> where is this wiki which you speak of ?
22:57 <+redrock> <MissWonderful> fucking fox..
22:57 <~Fox> HAHAHAHAHAHAH
22:57 <+sark> Sweet!
22:57 <~Fox> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
22:57 <~Fox> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
22:57 <@d1zzY> he ran it
22:57 < r3dd3r> lmfao
22:57 <~Fox> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
22:57 <@d1zzY> lololol
22:57 <+sark> Nice one, Miss!
22:57 <~Fox> YOU ARE A FAGGOT
22:57 :: MissWonderful was kicked from #school4lulz by Fox (LOLOLOLOLOLOL I AM LAUGHING. IN REAL LIFE.)
22:57 < MissWonderful> hehe
22:57 < r3dd3r> hahahahahahahahahahahaha
22:57 <@d1zzY> lmao
22:57 <~Fox> OH MAN.
22:57 < sc> i've done it once too, trying to copy a live cd to a flash drive, but chose the hdd instead
22:57 <~Fox> THAT IS FANTASTIC.
22:57 < k4n0n> this tut will be on pastebin?
22:57 <~Fox> Yes it will
22:57 < k4n0n> koo
22:57 < r3dd3r> amazing
22:57 <@d1zzY> k4n0n: in the goo.gl link in topic
22:57 < sc> now you get to learn about forensics : )
22:57 <~Fox> sec, I am tweeting this.
22:57 <~Fox> So amazing.
22:58 <@d1zzY> lmaooo
22:58 < sc> recovering your own data
22:58 < overlord> what did miss wonderful do?
22:58 <@d1zzY> got punked
22:58 < MissWonderful> glad to brighten your day!
22:58 <@d1zzY> redrock ++
22:58 <@d1zzY> you're such a punk dude...you talk so much smack on them here...
22:58 <@d1zzY> lmao
22:58 <+redrock> haha
22:59 <~Fox> Man
22:59  * d1zzY getting logs
22:59 <~Fox> So happy.
22:59 :: mode/#school4lulz (+m) by Fox
22:59 <~Fox> class.
22:59 <~Fox> in session
22:59 <~Fox> whew.
22:59 <~Fox> That is great.
22:59 <~Fox> Anyways
22:59 <~Fox> Make sure that is in logs
22:59 <@d1zzY> will do
22:59 <~Fox> emblazoned in internet forever.
22:59 <@d1zzY> lolol
22:59 <~Fox> Kay
23:00 <~Fox> so where the fuck was I
23:00 <~Fox> I just derailed the whole fucking class over that.
23:00 <~Fox> Oh fed shit.
23:00 <~Fox> Yeah, like anyone here that has had dealings with you will tell you, these guys talk MAD GAME
23:00 <~Fox> They will say they have you strung up like some kiddie rape fuck
23:01 <~Fox> you know
23:01 <~Fox> OH YEAH SO THE BACK END BOYS ALREADY CRACKED UR SHIT LOLS
23:01 <~Fox> SO
23:01 <~Fox> SNITCH
23:01 <~Fox> OR GO TO JAIL
23:01 <~Fox> FOR
23:01 <~Fox> 02343089-23942-39432094-320942-3853094t6830583095820942305982509275109uwokerngfoeiur20rj YEARS
23:01 <~Fox> FAGGOT
23:01 <~Fox> Keep a cool head
23:01 <~Fox> Lawyer up
23:01 <~Fox> You should be fine.
23:01 <~Fox> So derailed.
23:01 <~Fox> So so derailed.
23:01 <~Fox> Fuck
23:01 :: mode/#school4lulz (-m) by Fox
23:01 <~Fox> Open forum
23:01 <~Fox> ask questions
23:01 < k4n0n> lol
23:01 <~Fox> Get answers.
23:02 <@d1zzY> http://pastebin.com/mGG1JL2Z <== go fuckin RETWEET
23:02 <+sark> Ok, I have a question.
23:02 <@d1zzY> lolol
23:02 < sc> thats my password
23:02 <@d1zzY> omg..that fucked me all up
23:02 <+sark> I don't understand the layering between VPN and VPS that you mentioned.  How does that work?
23:02 <~Fox> k
23:02 <~Fox> SO
23:02 <~Fox> so
23:03 <~Fox> VPN
23:03 <~Fox> covers all traffic
23:03 <~Fox> right?
23:03 <+sark> ok
23:03 < sc> dns leaks
23:03 <~Fox> So
23:03 <+redrock> shouldn't with a vpn
23:03 <~Fox> it's better then just fucking connecting straight out
23:03 < sc> or something regarding vpn and tor
23:03 <~Fox> I hate tor.
23:03 <~Fox> I really do.
23:03 <~Fox> I wont go into that further
23:03 < Halcium> its too slow
23:04 <~Fox> but just I really fucking hate it.
23:04 <~Fox> Leave it at that
23:04 <~Fox> so
23:04 <~Fox> srak
23:04 <~Fox> sark
23:04 <~Fox> you got it?
23:04 < smrt> tunnel ssh? ovpn? ipsec?
23:04 <~Fox> take your pick.
23:04 < DecryptedMatrix> how much machine does one need to run MULTIPLE VMs at once?
23:04 <+sark> So tunnel to the VPS and then it looks like all traffic originates there . . .
23:04 <~Fox> DecryptedMatrix: I dont usually run multiples at the same time
23:04 <+redrock> decryptedmatrix: depends on what the vm's are doing, you can run most os on really fuckin low ram if they are just sitting there testing network daemons
23:04 <~Fox> but Core2Duo 2.2 8g ram on a lappy does fine
23:05 <~Fox> +1 redrock
23:05 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v God) by Fox
23:05 <+God> +1 Fox
23:05 < DecryptedMatrix> thats what i figured. Confusing to hear that Topiary had SIXTEEN running??
23:05 < DecryptedMatrix> is that possible?
23:05 <~Fox> DecryptedMatrix: that was a lie.
23:05 <+redrock> decryptedmatrix: you are limited by io, cpu and memory
23:05 <~Fox> He only had 2
23:05 <+God> what did i miss i was late for class, the bus driver was slow today
23:05 <~Fox> both of them were running lemonparty.
23:05 <~Fox> Topiary Forever.
23:05 <~Fox> Glitter Dragons
23:06 <~Fox> Forever.
23:06 <@d1zzY> lmao @ lemonparty
23:06 <+sark> I saw one news story that claimed he had 16 physical machines in his bedroom!
23:06 <+redrock> decryptedmatrix: too much io they run like shit, too much cpu use it runs like shit, too much memory use you'll crash
23:06 <+sark> But later, read about the VMs and realized the reporter's lie.
23:06 <~Fox> who knows maybe he did
23:06 <~Fox> but who gives a shit
23:06 <~Fox> cause im not
23:06 <+Steve2> decrypted : it really depends on the resources of the host server - for example, we have a sun box here running around 9 VMs at the same time, limited really by memory and HDD space
23:06 <~Fox> and your probably not
23:06 <@d1zzY> 16 VMs running probably means he had 16VMs to choose from...
23:06 < sc> im too poor for 16 computers : (
23:06 <+case> tooopic
23:06 <@d1zzY> anywayyyyyyy
23:06 <+Steve2> (tho, it DOES have a cpu with 128 cores)
23:07 < DecryptedMatrix> thanks all
23:07 < k4n0n> i heard he had like 20 computers though
23:07 <@d1zzY> ^no
23:07 <+redrock> whys it matter
23:07 <@d1zzY> ./join #freetopiary
23:07 <+redrock> if he has 20 he's retarded anyway, just get a few more powerful ones and virtualize all that shit
23:07 <@d1zzY> ^
23:07 < r3dd3r> HE HACKED NORAD WITH A LAPTOP MMMMMMM
23:07 < TehSushi> Why would you need that many VMs anyway? :|
23:08 <+God> i heard he was a computer a cyborg genetic organism to be exact
23:08 <+redrock> tehsushi: I have.. a lot
23:08 < k4n0n> LOL
23:08 <+case> i've heard we should return on topic :(
23:08 < TehSushi> and why do you need them redrock?
23:08 <@d1zzY> that aiin't shit...Kevin Mitnick wasn't allowed phone calls in jail because he could whistle nuclear launch codes!!!!11
23:08 <+redrock> tehsushi: whole networks with virtualized routers
23:08 <~Fox> case I lost the topic
23:08 <~Fox> lol
23:08 < DecryptedMatrix> Is there any need to randomize the MAC if using a disposable VM?
23:08 < o0o0o0o0o> Fox: you never went over cold boot prevention
23:08 <+redrock> decryptedmatrix: open a terminal and run "macchanger --help"
23:08 < k4n0n> hacked the Interpol, Google, the CIA, nd area 51 with a motorola startac
23:08 <@d1zzY> DecryptedMatrix
23:08 < Halcium> kevin mitnick likes weiner
23:08 <@d1zzY> yes because your MAC == your MAC
23:08 < DecryptedMatrix> already use it.. just not in VM
23:08 <+redrock> tehsushi: testing, practice, and simulating potential victim machines
23:09 <+sark> OR:  how about dead-man switches?
23:09 <@d1zzY> edit your init file and macchanger -r <interface> at boot
23:09 < r3dd3r> i ran into mitnick in manhattan today hahaha
23:09 <@d1zzY> lol...
23:09 <+God> macchanger wlan0 -r
23:09 <+God> wewt
23:09 <@d1zzY> Fox: class over? we still rollin?
23:09 < DecryptedMatrix> i randomize for up, and down actually
23:09 <~Fox> o0o0o0o0o: you are right
23:09 < o0o0o0o0o> i.e. turn off your computer
23:09 < DecryptedMatrix> was told that is best in case of disconnect
23:09 <+God> why would you ever turn off your computer?
23:10 <~Fox> o0o0o0o0o: nigga
23:10 <@d1zzY> lol
23:10 < ZZ> someone already covered cold boot in past lessons
23:10 <~Fox> I could talk about this for days
23:10 <~Fox> and yes
23:10 <~Fox> check our logs
23:10  * Steve2 really doesnt see why you'd want to change your MAC address
23:10 <@d1zzY> Steve2: google why
23:10 < sc> what about live cd programs like tails that "clean" the ram when shutting down
23:10 <+Steve2> just the fact it can be changed runs to your advantage in court
23:10 < k4n0n> because a comp can be traced back to you
23:10 <+redrock> steve2: uh, what
23:10 <+redrock> steve2: that's retarded
23:10 <~Fox> Nigga god DAMN
23:10 <~Fox> I GIVE YOU SHIT
23:10 <~Fox> AND YOU ALL ARE LIKE
23:11 <~Fox> DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP
23:11 <+God> Nigga fox damn
23:11 <@d1zzY> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/07/tech/main707361.shtml
23:11 < MissWonderful> derp
23:11 <+Steve2> no lawyer is going to convict you based on evidence that could be fabricated
23:11 < sc> :<
23:11 <~Fox> WHAT ABOUT THIS OBSCURE SITUATION THAT PROBABLY WILL NEVER HAPPEN
23:11 <+redrock> steve2: lol what
23:11 <~Fox> HERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP
23:11 <@yngjungian> lol
23:11 < k4n0n> so when the Vans come from you and see that your laptop matches the MAC that hacked the gibson you will take a long ride
23:11 <@d1zzY> Steve2: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/07/tech/main707361.shtml
23:11 < Halcium> ya no shit
23:11 < o0o0o0o0o> i feel like if you're out of the house, and you left your computer on, and you get raided
23:11 <~Fox> Be thankful you bastards.
23:11 <@d1zzY> he was stealing his neighbor's wi-fi trying to get them framed for CP...
23:11 < o0o0o0o0o> your are fucked.
23:11 <~Fox> o0o0o0o0o:
23:11 <+God> what if you have no HD and only boot from memory how do you recover then
23:11 <~Fox> THEN DONT LEAVE WITH IT ON.
23:11 < o0o0o0o0o> just saying
23:12 <@d1zzY> they came, traced it back to the MAC (read: MAC ADDRESS)
23:12 <+Steve2> d1zzy : um, if you admit to something then changing your mac or not doesnt mean squat
23:12 < o0o0o0o0o> That's my point, I was just saying it for the noobs
23:12 <@d1zzY> God: Cold boot
23:12 <~Fox> Oh
23:12 <~Fox> word
23:12 <~Fox> so
23:12 <@d1zzY> Steve2: then why the fuck are you goin to admit?
23:12 < k4n0n> confessions are bullshit anyway
23:12 <~Fox> NIGGERS
23:12 <~Fox> DONT
23:12 <+Steve2> also, a mac in wifi networks is irrelevant
23:12 <~Fox> FUCKING
23:12 <~Fox> DO SHIT
23:12 <~Fox> AND THEN BE LIKE
23:12 <+redrock> steve2 you are fucking retarded
23:12 <~Fox> DERRRRRRRRRP
23:12 <@d1zzY> if yo admit to anything, all of this talk is pointless
23:12 <~Fox> IMA GONNA GO GET ICEY CREAMS!
23:12 <~Fox> AND LEAVE YOUR SHIT ON
23:12 < MissWonderful> yummy
23:12 :: Steve2 was kicked from #school4lulz by d1zzY (www.google.com)
23:12 <~Fox> FAGGOTS
23:12 :: d1zzY was kicked from #school4lulz by Fox (I LIKED HIM)
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23:13 :: Irssi: #school4lulz: Total of 82 nicks (5 ops, 1 halfops, 7 voices, 69 normal)
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23:13 :: mode/#school4lulz (+o Steve2) by Fox
23:13 :: mode/#school4lulz (-o Steve2) by d1zzY
23:13 <+redrock> look, none of you motherfuckers are in aqap, nobody gives THAT MUCH of a fuck about you to track you down through all this fucking shit.   You don't need 10/10 security, 6/10 is going to fuck up the kids coming at you
23:13 < Steve2> there are far more reliable ways to trace something back than using a mac address, which can be proven to be unreliable (due to the fact anyone can change it)
23:13 <@d1zzY> lol
23:13 <@d1zzY> i see waht you did there
23:13 :: mode/#school4lulz (+v Steve2) by d1zzY
23:13 :: mode/#school4lulz (+o Steve2) by Fox
23:13 <~Fox> sec
23:13 :: mode/#school4lulz (+a Steve2) by Fox
23:13 <~Fox> Oooh...
23:13 <@d1zzY> lol
23:13 :: mode/#school4lulz (-o Steve2) by Fox
23:13 <+redrock> hahaha
23:14 :: mode/#school4lulz (-a Steve2) by Fox
23:14 < FxHnd> Am I missing something? I thought MAC addresses weren't transmitted over the internet. They stopped at your LAN.
23:14  * Steve2 blinks at all the mass modes
23:14 <@d1zzY> lmao
23:14 <+redrock> fxhnd: mac addresses are supposed to only transfer to the next hop
23:14 <+Steve2> fx : yeah, and they are recycled quite a bit as well
23:14 < sc> i think they hit the first hop
23:14 <~Fox> d1zzY:
23:14 <+redrock> fxhnd: what happens if the next hop logs?
23:14 <~Fox> Wrap it up