Theory of government via veganism

tsarbomba
18:07 < Smaque> I had heart surgery, no insurance. 18:08 < Smaque> Because the cost exceeded $xxx in one month, the county stepped up and paid the DISCOUNTED price, because I had no insurance. 18:10 < Smaque> They only paid when I needed it, as it should be. After that I was on my own again.
tsarbomba
#bootstraps
tsarbomba
obamacare is socialist! but, uh, thanks for saving my life by paying for my expensive surgery, taxpayers!
tsarbomba
my favorite line "they only paid when i needed it, as it should be"
tsarbomba
literally "socialized medicine for me but not for thee!"
tsarbomba
now i'm not saying the MAGAcult is festooned with hypocrites...
tsarbomba
actually, yeah, i am.
fieryUSA
no see.  a 'hypocrite' is when somebody does something THEY don't want that person to do, apparently.
fieryUSA
when trump hires illegal immigrants and makes his crap in china, while railing against illegal immigrants and china...not hypocrisy!  because ya know, stuff.
tsarbomba
oh, i see, so smaque just wants to redefine the entire dictionary to suit hs narrative
tsarbomba
that's...convenient
tsarbomba
i wonder if smaque has considered the likelihood that, because he spent most of his life uninsured and unhealthy, his heart condition which cost US tens of thousands of dollars as taxpayers was actually his own fault and not the shocking emergency he made it out to be.
tsarbomba
it's like trump's high cholesterol causing him to shovel statins down his throat. if he suddenly has a heart attack, is that really a surprise? is that something that we should be paying for? or is it the result of decades of jamming KFC and mcdonalds into his gullet?
tsarbomba
why weren't we given a vote on whether or not we wanted to even *save* smaque before he helped himself to our taxpayer dollars, anyway?
tsarbomba
i feel like smaque wants a special dispensation to bypass the democratic process when it comes to his own health but everybody else needs to toe the line and bootstrap it, like it or not
tsarbomba
i mean, where i come from that's known as hypocrisy. but i guess things are different in MAGAworld.
fieryUSA
after trump is dead, he will sue mcdonald's and kfc for 'being very mean to him'.
fieryUSA
73 going on 11.
blawiz is now known as blAwiz
fieryUSA
what am i saying?  an 11 year old can spell better than he can.
Monfd
I evaluate Trump as having the mind of a pathological 6-year old.
tsarbomba
kaliuna is definitely foreign, isn't he
tsarbomba
nobody could get to middle age and be this terrible at english if he grew up with the language
tsarbomba
oh. wait. trump. nevermind.
Monfd
https://theweek.com/speedreads/575962/donald-trump-tells-biographer-hes-same-now-first-grade
fieryUSA
wah...was that a projection there?  "I" am the one who has 'temper tantrums', and not president cereal aisle hissy fit?
Monfd
"When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different." - Donald J. Trump
Monfd
If I had a 6-year old who behaved like Trump, I would be extremely concerned.
fieryUSA
nope.  i do NOT have a twitter account.
fieryUSA
see how easy it is, to not brain fart your life away in 140 characters?
tsarbomba
yeah, fieryusa is the guy whose staff ordered a $1.8 billion warship to be moved without the knowledge of anyone higher ranked than lieutenant commander. what a cuck!
17:40 Monfd
I would say they are clearly demonstrating multiple, severe psychiatric conditions. I'd involve my child in persistent, intense psychotherapy along with other methods, like Buddhist compassion and mindfulness training.
Monfd
It's probably unethical to have children become adults if they have minds like Trump.
Monfd
But, most people are against eugenics for reasonable reasons.
tsarbomba
no. like smaque demonstrated, you can embarrass yourself right here on irc.
Monfd
Eugenics is probably necessary in the modern world, but we don't know how to do it justly.
tsarbomba
18:07 < Smaque> I had heart surgery, no insurance. 18:08 < Smaque> Because the cost exceeded $xxx in one month, the county stepped up and paid the DISCOUNTED price, because I had no insurance. 18:10 < Smaque> They only paid when I needed it, as it should be. After that I was on my own again.
Monfd
We already do eugenics, by having unrestricted birth control, which has lead to the Earth's 5th mass extinction event.
Monfd
So, when we act mindlessly in this context, we choose for many non-humans to die, and some humans, too.
Monfd
(People with minds like Trump end up killing people directly and indirectly)
tsarbomba
imagine being smaque and thinking you know how to use twitter 'advantageously'
tsarbomba
when he can't even comport himself on irc without stepping on his own dick, metaphorically
Monfd
Smaque's IQ is probably about 80.
tsarbomba
that's generous
Monfd
I haven't seen their chat in a very long time, so this is from memory.
tsarbomba
i put ian right around 78 and smaque is clearly a lesser intellect
enepib
barack . NSU ; umbilicout.NSF ;
Monfd
What would you estimate?
tsarbomba
oh so you didn't see when he owned himself over 'socialized medicine'
tsarbomba
well, the lines i posted above are the general rundown
Monfd
I saw your posts.
tsarbomba
tl;dr smaque hates obamacare and wants everyone to bootstrap their own medical care. except when he needs heart surgery.
Monfd
I have come to accept, long ago, that the typical person in the American right has multiple, profound mental health emergencies.
tsarbomba
when smaque needs heart surgery, everyone else needs to pay up
Monfd
I am an ovo-vegan (I eat eggs). We have to box many humans.
Monfd
I know this is true, but my society doesn't know this to be true, and it's easy to do it very badly.
Monfd
Boxing humans as a vegan is not startling, as vegans are unethical enough to live with boxed non-humans.
Monfd
Our entire philosophy is built of just boxing.
Monfd
Which is why veganism is the most important worldview on Earth in this time period, possibly.
tsarbomba
https://i.redd.it/hhfwdq148b431.jpg

tsarbomba
a boomer with an 11 year old child? LOL
fieryUSA
let me guess.  she goes to private school, right?
Monfd
The essential act of boxing is applying Peter Singer's graph-based model of rights, coupled with contemporary causality models at the largest scale that include things like interactions between mass media and democracy, and climate change.
tsarbomba
smaque's narrative is simply not internally-consistent at any time
fieryUSA
not that socialist public school?
fieryUSA
heh.
Monfd
tsarbomba: He's not a cognitive human.
fieryUSA
make more money, and you can.
tsarbomba
i wish you could afford your own health care, smaque
Monfd
Depending on how you define cognitive human.
tsarbomba
so do the rest of the american taxpayers
tsarbomba
since you're so keen on "bootstraps"
Monfd
You could define it as his level, making us transhumans.
Monfd
Or you could define us as humans, in which case he's not human.
Monfd
See, dehumanizing isn't a problem for vegans.
tsarbomba
he does have a definite ridge in the brow area.
tsarbomba
maybe some sort of transitional form
Monfd
We live our entire lives learning how and then acting out how to justly interact with non-humans.
tsarbomba
lolwat
Monfd
It's not a pejorative, for a vegan, to say somebody is a non-human.
tsarbomba
common core started in REPUBLICAN STATES, retard
Monfd
Smaque is not human.
tsarbomba
well before obama was even a senator
tsarbomba
you MAGA fuckwits are completely unaware of everything
tsarbomba
uh
tsarbomba
it's objective fact, clowntard
Monfd
He's an ape-human hybrid with substantially decreased cognition preventing him from successfully engaging with modernity in an ethical manner.
Monfd
He has been captured by some AI-powered, mass-media-wielding factions that use his mind to cast votes for him in the modern theater we call universal democracy.
Monfd
He'll never understand that, and we don't need him to.
tsarbomba
you can barely manage single-syllable english without falling all over yourself, kaliuna. temper your expectations for believability here.
Monfd
I don't need a chimpanzee to know molecular biology to treat it for SIV.
fieryUSA
home school your kid.  stop making the tax payer pay for them.  you can teach them how kim jong trump created the world in 7 days.  and how he doesn't shit.  and how he gets 18 holes in one in every golf game.
Monfd
I just do my best to act on its best interests in the context of all the other lifeforms.
tsarbomba
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surprising-Conservative-Roots-of-the-Common-Core_FINAL.pdf
Monfd
To clarify, Smaque is in the same genetic species as me.
Monfd
He's not in the same cognitive species.
tsarbomba
would you like mustard with that hat or will you be eating it without condiments, kaliuna?
Monfd
Cognitive species are far more important in modernity than biological species.
tsarbomba
^english teacher
tsarbomba
smaque is an english teacher who works third shift and doesn't know the difference between "pour" and "poor"
tsarbomba
as well as they're/their
tsarbomba
and a few others
Monfd
It is unethical and causes severe harm to use the 18th century of universal humanism to grant Smaque equal rights as other humans with higher IQs.
Monfd
It is unethical and causes severe harm to use the 18th-century idea of universal humanism to grant Smaque equal rights as other humans with higher IQs.
tsarbomba
now that i've refuted kaliuna's fox talking point about common core, let's discuss smaque's love for socialist medicine
Monfd
That dehumanizing is a pejorative term tells you how much the standard human cares about non-humans.
tsarbomba
do you need a safe space ,cupcake?
Monfd
It's fascinating, from the vegan perspective.
Monfd
In the carnist POV, everybody being human is the highest, and dehumanizing is the worst.
fieryUSA
hey.  which republican was the one who called trump a 'complete fucking idiot', again?  because i KNOW it was one.
tsarbomba
i know which republican said "the russians pay rohrabacher and trump"
fieryUSA
odd how you don't ignore him.
Monfd
For the vegan, everybody being human is only moderate, and individually evaluating an organism's rights using, in part, their species prior is much higher.
Monfd
Buddhism presents a somewhat higher standard than veganism.
tsarbomba
MAGA: "black people want equality of outcome not equality of opportunity!" also MAGA: "brown people are driving our wages down unfairly!"
Monfd
Our modern society has no public way of handling the fact that 10s of millions of voters each cycle have their vote cast for them by AI-powered, mass-media-wielding factions.
Monfd
It can only repeat its axiom: Everybody is universal.
Monfd
This axiom has been successfully hacked by a competitor ideology.
tsarbomba
nobody's planting because trump shit on the export market, dumdum
fieryUSA
dow closed down today, btw.  seems as though trump was unable to dupe too many people, with his blank piece of paper 'mexican deal', he carries around in his pocket.  because you know, that's how the govt treats signed documents pertaining to major 'deals'.  folded and stuck in a pocket!
tsarbomba
there are going to be vast fields of soybeans rotting this year
Monfd
If the system we live in cannot adapt to this threat, it will be parasitized and then converted to the new system.
tsarbomba
oh mexico is so last century, fieryusa.
tsarbomba
it's all about justifying war with iran now
tsarbomba
kaliuna yeah, so totally ohbummer's fault
tsarbomba
if only ohbummer hadn't been golfing after katrina, we might have saved more lives
Monfd
That's the current 'plan' for the United States, by the way.
tsarbomba
ohbummer made it happen with HAARP haven't you been watching infowars?
Monfd
Admit that RBMK reactors cannot possibly explode, and then when they do, allow the crisis to change your system.
Monfd
That's it.
tsarbomba
alex jones and sarah palin are going to team up and go find obama in alaska so he can't hurt our patriot farmers with his weather control weapons any more
Monfd
So, we have to live through an explosion -- I hope there isn't too much radiation to melt us.