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  1. [01:01:42] SmithJones3: can you help me with something?
  2. [01:03:58] Tech Priest Tauon: Yes.
  3. [01:04:26] SmithJones3: I have this survey I have to do for a school project, it is based off of how people feel about certain topics, but I don't know enough people to conduct good results, or to ask in person to take this... Would you mind taking it so I can add the results to my final project in a class presentation
  4. [01:04:27] SmithJones3: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CXNYHJY
  5. [01:07:28] Tech Priest Tauon: What's the closest to Facist ideals in terms of a party here in the US?
  6. [01:07:31] Tech Priest Tauon: But secular as well.
  7. [01:07:44] Tech Priest Tauon: The Communist Party isn't close enough to the CPC's ideals from my homecountry (China).
  8. [01:09:50] SmithJones3: the communist party used to be banned here
  9. [01:09:55] Tech Priest Tauon: I know.
  10. [01:10:00] SmithJones3: they are associated with Jewish communist terrorism
  11. [01:10:12] SmithJones3: now not many people care about communism tho
  12. [01:11:00] Tech Priest Tauon: Jewish Communist Terrorism?
  13. [01:11:05] Tech Priest Tauon: Do you have a news article?
  14. [01:12:00] SmithJones3: yes right in 1946 or so the US government electric chaired some
  15. [01:12:37] SmithJones3: Ethel Rosenberg
  16. [01:14:32] SmithJones3: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10125-10133.pdf
  17. [01:14:39] SmithJones3: communsit affiliations of MLK were Jewish communists
  18. [01:15:03] SmithJones3: go to page 15-19, I can't remember the exact, they aren't numbered anyway
  19. [01:16:41] Tech Priest Tauon: Oh.
  20. [01:16:43] Tech Priest Tauon: Not current.
  21. [01:16:47] Tech Priest Tauon: What's the status of the party now?
  22. [01:17:11] SmithJones3: unpopular, small
  23. [01:17:21] SmithJones3: probably mostly federal agents
  24. [01:18:24] Tech Priest Tauon: Mmm.
  25. [01:18:25] Tech Priest Tauon: Lame.
  26. [01:18:35] SmithJones3: yep LOL
  27. [01:18:53] Tech Priest Tauon: They need a boost from my country then.
  28. [01:18:57] Tech Priest Tauon: Are you a member?
  29. [01:19:51] SmithJones3: I am a Republican, my culture is from Sweden and Germany, not communism
  30. [01:20:04] Tech Priest Tauon: Mmm.
  31. [01:20:25] SmithJones3: communism doesnt work
  32. [01:20:31] Tech Priest Tauon: I hope one day, China corrects the Western European nations.
  33. [01:20:36] Tech Priest Tauon: Chinese Governance works.
  34. [01:20:39] SmithJones3: CHina is not really communist, it is a market based system with a totalitarian government
  35. [01:20:42] Tech Priest Tauon: Not truly communist.
  36. [01:20:50] Tech Priest Tauon: But communist in terms of its social practices.
  37. [01:20:56] Tech Priest Tauon: Non-economic communism works.
  38. [01:21:09] SmithJones3: as in no constitutional rights
  39. [01:21:16] SmithJones3: the government can just assassinate you for any reason they want
  40. [01:21:25] SmithJones3: that is a corrupt and dishonest system
  41. [01:21:32] Tech Priest Tauon: Confucian edicts, pro-intellectualism, autocracy and hard work-ethics are necessary for a harmonious and prosperous world.
  42. [01:21:57] Tech Priest Tauon: Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping have greatly reduced corruption, indulgence and decadance in our gov't.
  43. [01:22:12] Tech Priest Tauon: No longer corrupt, brutally honest about its tactics.
  44. [01:22:32] Tech Priest Tauon: ...and not asssassinations, more so austerity measures and re-education of people who forget humilty and respect.
  45. [01:22:36] SmithJones3: the first world was not founded upon the ideals of autocracy, and communism, it was based off of a free market system, making competition valid
  46. [01:22:49] Tech Priest Tauon: That allows for more down-trodding and abuse.
  47. [01:23:00] Tech Priest Tauon: Look at the US, your precious Europe, Africa.
  48. [01:23:09] Tech Priest Tauon: India, the Japanese population.
  49. [01:23:14] Tech Priest Tauon: The Philipinnes.
  50. [01:23:26] Tech Priest Tauon: Sure my homecountries gov't is oppresive.
  51. [01:23:27] SmithJones3: if not for Western Europe there is no proof that China would have ended feudalism, and we would still be in a medieval level of life, technology, etc.
  52. [01:23:29] Tech Priest Tauon: But for the greater good.
  53. [01:23:59] Tech Priest Tauon: Yet our dynasties far out-live those of other nations and we have provided more of the worlds economic backbone and technological advancements early on in history.
  54. [01:24:49] SmithJones3: sure but authoritarianism is never the answer
  55. [01:24:53] Tech Priest Tauon: We Chinese know to survive.
  56. [01:25:00] Tech Priest Tauon: Just as the Jewish cultures and the African cultures.
  57. [01:25:13] Tech Priest Tauon: We crushed the Japanese in there raping and pillaging of Chinese towns.
  58. [01:25:24] SmithJones3: places like mexico or Algeria can never become first world nations because htey do not have the ideological conditoning to be, they believe in a big state, higher taxes for more services, socialism
  59. [01:25:25] Tech Priest Tauon: We obliterated the Manchu after their oppresive reign.
  60. [01:25:53] Tech Priest Tauon: Algeria and Mexico have overtly corrupt governments and an aristocracy that pays highly to keep things that way.
  61. [01:26:19] Tech Priest Tauon: The recent advancements in infrastructure in Mexico allowed a Mafia-like government, fragmented across the states to form in Mexico.
  62. [01:26:28] Tech Priest Tauon: With their Federal Government barely able to lead.
  63. [01:26:28] SmithJones3: bro china is corrupt
  64. [01:26:55] Tech Priest Tauon: If the Chinese government established itself there with its ruthless cruel efficiency, I bet you even the Children of Drug Lords would be expunged.
  65. [01:27:03] Tech Priest Tauon: Not corrupt, corruption is oft deceitful.
  66. [01:27:06] SmithJones3: that one scientist who genetically modified two baby girls might be killed now for "embarrassing the Chinese government."
  67. [01:27:15] Tech Priest Tauon: The CHinese government, doesn't really hide things.
  68. [01:27:26] Tech Priest Tauon: Jianke He? He wasn't being payed at all to do that research.
  69. [01:27:37] • Tech Priest Tauon is a Biochemist.
  70. [01:27:50] Tech Priest Tauon: He didn't follow publshing guidelines set-up by the Chinese gov't.
  71. [01:28:15] Tech Priest Tauon: Chinese labs published three papers on CRISPR embryonic editting and never brought those embryos to emplantation and viability.
  72. [01:28:26] Tech Priest Tauon: The worst part is we don't even know if that Dr. He's claims are true.
  73. [01:28:38] SmithJones3: I am against the death penalty but maybe that one guy can be killed
  74. [01:29:00] Tech Priest Tauon: No
  75. [01:29:05] SmithJones3: I read a book called the Revolutionary Phenotype, and basically people should never start modifying genes or it is the end of humans
  76. [01:30:25] Tech Priest Tauon: China's gov't although harsh and autocratic is not corrupt.
  77. [01:30:45] Tech Priest Tauon: The US gov't for one is corrupt, the Mexican gov't, the Russian is OBVIOUSLY AND BLATANTLY corrupt.
  78. [01:30:56] SmithJones3: lol
  79. [01:31:03] Tech Priest Tauon: A gov't can only be corrupt when it acts outside of constitutional or opperational interests.
  80. [01:31:44] Tech Priest Tauon: The CPC, the Central Commission have just recently purged corruption and begun to unilatterally act only in the interests of the Chinese gov't and its citizens within the parameters it sets for itself.
  81. [01:31:52] SmithJones3: that is a subjective interpretation since people all have their own idea of what a governments purpose is
  82. [01:32:16] Tech Priest Tauon: Despite the Human Rights' Violations, they are a necessary evil and are still legal and overtly reported in China.
  83. [01:32:48] Tech Priest Tauon: So even if we Chinese Nationals oversees or those still in China disagree with the actions, we understand they are necessary in some instances and as well may be unfortunate.
  84. [01:32:57] SmithJones3: I dont agree with the idea of the UN or human rights btw
  85. [01:33:16] Tech Priest Tauon: Better to work hard under hard leaders than be killed and starved by the Ming or Qing Dynasty leadership styles.
  86. [01:33:26] Tech Priest Tauon: Rights belong to those who contribute to a society.
  87. [01:33:47] Tech Priest Tauon: Those who do not can leave if they want but should not expect equal treatment, only the bare minimum of humane respect.
  88. [01:33:53] SmithJones3: a right is a responsibility on others and I do not agree that this can be applied on a global scale
  89. [01:34:15] Tech Priest Tauon: It is also not something that can be managed well is it.
  90. [01:34:17] Tech Priest Tauon: A system that large.
  91. [01:34:22] SmithJones3: all citizens should have equal rights under the law
  92. [01:34:25] Tech Priest Tauon: Too many interpretations.
  93. [01:34:36] Tech Priest Tauon: Equal Oppurtunities under the law, some of which should be earned.
  94. [01:34:44] Tech Priest Tauon: The right to vote for example, is a priviledge.
  95. [01:34:52] Tech Priest Tauon: The right to self-defense is a birth right.
  96. [01:35:34] SmithJones3: what do you think of the woman vote?
  97. [01:35:53] Tech Priest Tauon: They should have the right.
  98. [01:35:59] Tech Priest Tauon: If they contribute to society.
  99. [01:36:07] Tech Priest Tauon: I don't care about gender, sex, religion, race.
  100. [01:36:17] Tech Priest Tauon: Failure to contribute to society is a failure to earn your rights and place.
  101. [01:36:43] Tech Priest Tauon: I don't believe that some pampered bitch who grew up in oppulence understands the struggle of the proletariat therefor I do not believe she should have the right to a vote.
  102. [01:36:48] Tech Priest Tauon: Same for a spoiled bratty male.
  103. [01:37:11] SmithJones3: I know but this is why in the US white males who owned property could originally vote
  104. [01:37:23] SmithJones3: property owners earned money in some way
  105. [01:37:45] SmithJones3: but it was enough to prevent an oligarchy
  106. [01:37:53] Tech Priest Tauon: Mhmm.
  107. [01:37:58] Tech Priest Tauon: Things have changed.
  108. [01:38:53] SmithJones3: for the worse
  109. [01:39:02] SmithJones3: what literal benefit to the US is the woman vote?
  110. [01:39:47] SmithJones3: when you have a room of all men discussion politics, it is much different than a half woman half man room, or a majority woman
  111. [01:39:59] SmithJones3: it seems like they always want to talk about the feelings just ridiculous
  112. [01:40:16] Tech Priest Tauon: Only those of working-class, sound-mind, clean morales and educated thought have earned the right to vote.
  113. [01:40:30] Tech Priest Tauon: IMagine how many individuals in the younger generations would lose the right to vote?
  114. [01:40:42] Tech Priest Tauon: For lack of sobriety, chastity, modesty and frugality?
  115. [01:40:49] Tech Priest Tauon: I bet you almost all of them would.
  116. [01:41:08] SmithJones3: the problem with this is that old people may not necessarily have the best interests of the country
  117. [01:41:25] Tech Priest Tauon: They don't.
  118. [01:41:29] SmithJones3: in the US old people vote for increased social security yet we may not have enough money for that same system when I am an old person
  119. [01:41:44] Tech Priest Tauon: Government should have a system of laws that cover blanket issues that are often caused by cultural change.
  120. [01:41:55] Tech Priest Tauon: Counter-culture replaces the old culture and so on.
  121. [01:42:27] Tech Priest Tauon: Laws on drugs, abortion, sex, alcoholism, consumerism, emigration should be bare enough to be shifted per each generational change.
  122. [01:43:02] SmithJones3: also I don't know how I feel about democracy as a whole
  123. [01:43:30] SmithJones3: I certainly do not think at all, for any individual and no matter how successful, that it is his right to vote
  124. [01:44:02] Tech Priest Tauon: Democracy has been a moral and social disaster.
  125. [01:44:10] Tech Priest Tauon: Think about that and then tell me what your thoughts are.
  126. [01:44:51] SmithJones3: I guess I agree, but I fail to see a better system than a constitutional republican one
  127. [01:45:16] Tech Priest Tauon: No system is good.
  128. [01:45:20] SmithJones3: I am not necessarily arguing morality here given the limited options of governments, and perhaps only a dictatorship is moral, I really don't care.
  129. [01:45:26] Tech Priest Tauon: The culture and societies people are the problem.
  130. [01:45:45] Tech Priest Tauon: A dictatorship treads on thin ice too easily.
  131. [01:45:59] Tech Priest Tauon: It can start off with meritorious rule, machiavellian with a benevolent leader.
  132. [01:46:06] Tech Priest Tauon: But that can change, often at the drop of a hat.
  133. [01:46:41] SmithJones3: I know
  134. [01:47:18] SmithJones3: but in a super diverse country like Kazakhstan or Lebanon it may be more beneficial to have a dictatorship than a democracy
  135. [01:47:48] Tech Priest Tauon: Yes.
  136. [01:48:07] Tech Priest Tauon: Each country has its own society and cultural biome which would fit one gov't or another.
  137. [01:48:14] SmithJones3: some peoples I would argue are not suited for democracy either
  138. [01:48:17] Tech Priest Tauon: China's current CPC incarnation works out the best right now.
  139. [01:48:38] Tech Priest Tauon: The people in the USA, especially the younger generations are too morally ill and stupid to deserve choice
  140. [01:48:50] Tech Priest Tauon: The UK needs a more unified government
  141. [01:49:00] Tech Priest Tauon: The French need a gov't with a spine.
  142. [01:49:00] SmithJones3: imagine if there was a population that literally did not vote for a political party based off of the issues
  143. [01:49:04] SmithJones3: do you live in the UK?
  144. [01:49:06] Tech Priest Tauon: US.
  145. [01:49:41] SmithJones3: did you know the blacks literally who say they agree with smaller government, and think the country does too much to help blacks, vote 86% for the Democrat?
  146. [01:49:49] SmithJones3: it means they literally don't even vote based on the issues
  147. [01:50:20] Tech Priest Tauon: Yeah.
  148. [01:50:24] Tech Priest Tauon: I've seen those studies.
  149. [01:51:48] SmithJones3: what do you think of the electoral system?
  150. [01:52:20] Tech Priest Tauon: Corrupt.
  151. [01:52:43] Tech Priest Tauon: Personally what I think would help is a systematic purging of both parties in the US.
  152. [01:52:44] SmithJones3: I think that it is a good system
  153. [01:53:00] SmithJones3: what do you want to happen to the US?
  154. [01:53:04] Tech Priest Tauon: Those who are blatantly corrupt the people of the US, should be publically executed on the National Mall, there families executed.
  155. [01:53:26] Tech Priest Tauon: Their corporate backers punished heavily with lead executives from them being barred from travelling within or without the US.
  156. [01:53:46] SmithJones3: lol of course you do
  157. [01:53:46] Tech Priest Tauon: ...and severe punitive taxes on there personal incomes for not better helping there employees.
  158. [01:54:02] Tech Priest Tauon: It means that straight-up, someone like Trump would be eliminated in an instant along with his family.
  159. [01:54:06] Tech Priest Tauon: In that I stand.
  160. [01:54:22] SmithJones3: execute the family of him?
  161. [01:54:26] SmithJones3: so even his like small kid
  162. [01:54:43] SmithJones3: LOL
  163. [01:54:58] Tech Priest Tauon: Yes.
  164. [01:55:06] Tech Priest Tauon: If I ran the world how I'd run it.
  165. [01:55:18] Tech Priest Tauon: It'd be an absolutist authoratarian government.
  166. [01:55:36] SmithJones3: so you believe in a totalitarian state to enforce communism?
  167. [01:55:48] SmithJones3: isn't the goal a stateless society?
  168. [01:56:20] Tech Priest Tauon: Ideally no to the first question.
  169. [01:56:26] Tech Priest Tauon: But it's a necessity with some people.
  170. [01:57:20] SmithJones3: if you are a turbosperg political junkie you might have already seen this, but this was vandalism after an Antifa rally
  171. [01:57:21] SmithJones3: https://dhna0nwgp8ihl.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/20043004/Screen-Shot-2017-09-19-at-8.08.11-AM-678x381.jpg
  172. [01:58:06] SmithJones3: you would have to exterminate the vast majority of your supposed proletariat who disagree with you
  173. [01:58:46] Tech Priest Tauon: Not the Chinese.
  174. [01:58:50] Tech Priest Tauon: But outside of that culture yes.
  175. [01:59:10] SmithJones3: if you are a Chinese supremacist than why do you live in the US?
  176. [01:59:56] Tech Priest Tauon: I'm not a Chinese Supremacist.
  177. [02:00:00] Tech Priest Tauon: Just a strong loyalist.
  178. [02:00:05] Tech Priest Tauon: I live in the US to get a PhD.
  179. [02:00:08] Tech Priest Tauon: Full ride.
  180. [02:00:34] SmithJones3: you are a sociopath who wants genocide tho
  181. [02:00:37] Tech Priest Tauon: The US Scientific Education likes to import students from Oriental and European nations more than export or produce its own scientists.
  182. [02:00:40] Tech Priest Tauon: Not a sociopath.
  183. [02:00:53] Tech Priest Tauon: Pragmatist. I argue that in some cases, some vile things are necessary.
  184. [02:01:14] Tech Priest Tauon: I was talking in the context of turning our current world into a better one, at least the first few steps I would see necessary fort hat.
  185. [02:01:34] SmithJones3: a better world for people who agree with you only
  186. [02:02:09] SmithJones3: that is no different than any ideology, fascism, etc.
  187. [02:03:00] Tech Priest Tauon: A better world for people who are morally upright, hard-working, selfless, kind and intelligent and insightful enough to learn from the mistakes of the wicked.
  188. [02:03:43] SmithJones3: you are not a pragmatist at all, your entire worldview is driven by moral purity, liek all communists
  189. [02:04:09] SmithJones3: why does China have a class system if it is communist morally? Because moralisms are only the icing on the cake
  190. [02:04:38] Tech Priest Tauon: The Class System is a result of us not being a perfect communist system.
  191. [02:04:52] SmithJones3: it is only how you feel, the current system we have words for the benefit of the majority
  192. [02:04:57] Tech Priest Tauon: I believe that economic communism is insanely improbable to achieve.
  193. [02:05:17] Tech Priest Tauon: The current system the US has allows for stagnation of an individual because they give in to indulgences.
  194. [02:05:37] Tech Priest Tauon: Allows for rapid consumption of resources and eventually a system that will grow too massive to survive.
  195. [02:05:57] Tech Priest Tauon: What will happen when overpopulation hits the US? Classes will only become further from each other.
  196. [02:06:01] Tech Priest Tauon: It will happen in China too.
  197. [02:06:08] Tech Priest Tauon: Much later than in the US or Europe.
  198. [02:06:12] Tech Priest Tauon: But it will.
  199. [02:06:24] Tech Priest Tauon: I don't even think its' healthy for humanity to live in societies we do today.
  200. [02:06:26] SmithJones3: yo uare for killing people who breed a lot then, correct?
  201. [02:06:27] Tech Priest Tauon: But that's how things are.
  202. [02:06:36] Tech Priest Tauon: If it's absolutely necessary? Yes.
  203. [02:06:38] SmithJones3: capitalism lowers birth rates
  204. [02:06:46] Tech Priest Tauon: I don't see a true correlation.
  205. [02:06:50] Tech Priest Tauon: That's a more cultural issue.
  206. [02:06:59] SmithJones3: I also dont think you understand how radically some communists disagree with you on these issues
  207. [02:07:05] Tech Priest Tauon: It encourages indulgence, cavalier behavior and such.
  208. [02:07:39] SmithJones3: we WILL reach a tipping point in this world where finite and renewable resources are used up, the state will not solve this, but a free market can, and many people will just have to die because of this environment not being able tp provide for them
  209. [02:08:21] Tech Priest Tauon: Moral bankruptcy will make that impossible to prevent or at least stave off for a time.
  210. [02:09:10] SmithJones3: but I see your argument as dishonest
  211. [02:09:27] SmithJones3: what is wrong with populations naturally lowering due to environmental limits, why is this a justification for communism?
  212. [02:10:06] Tech Priest Tauon: Because they won't diminish in a healthy manner.
  213. [02:10:16] Tech Priest Tauon: You see, when we reach a tipping point, the rule of law decays.
  214. [02:10:26] Tech Priest Tauon: Amoral Anarchy which is not ideal will take hold.
  215. Please do not say 'rape'.
  216. [02:10:49] Tech Priest Tauon: Violation (because I can't say that word), Murder, Tribalism.
  217. [02:11:15] Tech Priest Tauon: People need to be educated and a cultural continuity needs to be established.
  218. [02:11:30] SmithJones3: the US is against your worldview
  219. [02:11:45] Tech Priest Tauon: The counter-culture and current government are.
  220. [02:12:06] Tech Priest Tauon: Counter-culture being the major social behaviors and beliefs of the younger generation.
  221. [02:12:08] SmithJones3: what counter culture
  222. [02:12:36] SmithJones3: what are you even talking about
  223. [02:12:46] Tech Priest Tauon: Open Promiscuity, Open Drug Use, a culture of tolerance and fear of criticism and encouraged indulgence.
  224. [02:12:58] Tech Priest Tauon: What does that do for a market economy?
  225. [02:13:02] Tech Priest Tauon: It does wonders.
  226. [02:13:14] Tech Priest Tauon: People don't focus on saving money, they spend it crazily on want.
  227. [02:13:29] Tech Priest Tauon: They don't study and work hard, benefits those higher up in a class system.
  228. [02:13:42] Tech Priest Tauon: An uneducated citizenry means an easier lie to tell.
  229. [02:14:06] SmithJones3: laziness also helps the economy
  230. [02:14:24] SmithJones3: since people hire others to do jobs like mowing their lawn
  231. [02:14:26] Tech Priest Tauon: I know.
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