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  1. 01[10:59] <Konyllis> I know he does it on purpose. Everyone does.
  2. [10:59] <Iryan> I don't
  3. [11:00] <Iryan> and even if HE does, "Everyone does" is somewhere between paranoid and egocentrical
  4. 01[11:00] <Konyllis> Ok, fine. The people who do that to me do.
  5. 01[11:01] <Konyllis> And I believe they don't do that just because they like the shape of those two symbols put together.
  6. [11:01] <Iryan> I use that emoticon all the time
  7. [11:01] <Iryan> I just don't talk in #danmakufu very much anymore
  8. [11:01] <Iryan> '3'
  9. [11:02] <Iryan> this is not some great conspiracy to crush your spirit, man
  10. [11:02] <Iryan> and without even going into that, do you think that justifies spamming the chat with that emoticon yourself?
  11. [11:03] <Iryan> in a way that it blocks out all other potential lines?
  12. [11:03] <Iryan> so that it is annoying for EVERYBODY? I don't think so. :|
  13. [11:03] <Iryan> Do you agree with me on this?
  14. 01[11:04] <Konyllis> Umm
  15. 01[11:04] <Konyllis> Well, why do I have to be the only one who gets annoyed?
  16. [11:05] <Iryan> ahahahahaha
  17. [11:05] <Iryan> is that seriously your argument?
  18. 01[11:05] <Konyllis> No.
  19. [11:05] <Iryan> :|
  20. 01[11:05] <Konyllis> Well, it seems I can't do anything, does it?
  21. [11:07] <Iryan> learning to live with the fact that people tend to use that emoticon would be a start :|
  22. 01[11:07] <Konyllis> I know they don't do it because it's natural for them to. They do it because they know I hate it.
  23. [11:07] <Iryan> who are THEY?
  24. 01[11:07] <Konyllis> Cube. Mei.
  25. 01[11:07] <Konyllis> Hell, puremrz.
  26. [11:08] <Iryan> well
  27. [11:08] <Iryan> for today, all I see is me coming online, then you randomly starting to talk to me about that emoticon
  28. 01[11:08] <Konyllis> Nimono does it accidentally but that's not his fault.
  29. [11:09] <Iryan> then I try to make you stop :srs:-ing about it by showing you a funny picture
  30. [11:09] <Iryan> then cube does it
  31. [11:09] <Iryan> then you spam a wall of it
  32. [11:10] <Iryan> hmm
  33. [11:10] <Iryan> why -does- it annoy you so much?
  34. [11:11] <Iryan> you do not have a cat-phobia or something like that, do you?
  35. 01[11:11] <Konyllis> I do...
  36. [11:11] <Iryan> ...
  37. [11:11] <Iryan> welp
  38. 01[11:11] <Konyllis> I'm also afraid of dogs.
  39. [11:12] <Iryan> ...huh
  40. 01[11:12] <Konyllis> But just a bit bit less.
  41. [11:12] <Iryan> that... changes the situation somewhat, potentially
  42. [11:13] <Iryan> do cube etc. know that you have an actual phobia?
  43. 01[11:13] <Konyllis> No...?
  44. [11:13] <Iryan> because if they just know that "it annoys you"...
  45. [11:14] <Iryan> they'd see little reason for stopping, since it IS a very, very minor thing if you don't take that into account
  46. [11:14] <Iryan> and you are making a big deal out of it, for which they obviously see no justification
  47. [11:15] <Iryan> since to them, it still is a minor thing
  48. [11:15] <Iryan> and if someone makes a big deal out of a minor thing? People's attitudes towards that are "come on, it's no big deal, suck it up."
  49. 01[11:16] <Konyllis> because every time that they imply that
  50. 01[11:16] <Konyllis> i cry inside, a bit
  51. [11:16] <Iryan> which would have been my position on this as well if you hadn't told me
  52. [11:16] <Iryan> though I would have put it more contructively, that's for sure
  53. [11:16] <Iryan> it IS just two characters
  54. [11:17] <Iryan> [20:16] <Konyllis> because every time that they imply that i cry inside, a bit
  55. [11:17] <Iryan> ...do you feel inferior because of your phobia?
  56. 01[11:17] <Konyllis> Yes.
  57. [11:17] <Iryan> :<
  58. 01[11:18] <Konyllis> Yadogari or whoever doing that :3c thing I can accept
  59. 01[11:18] <Konyllis> for no reason
  60. 01[11:18] <Konyllis> it's been drilled into me that "adding something makes the compound completely different"
  61. 01[11:19] <Konyllis> And then, they do THAT :3c thing to annoy me for real
  62. [11:20] <Iryan> hm
  63. 01[11:20] <Konyllis> Then we start over even as we end the whole conflict...
  64. [11:21] <Iryan> do you think the danmakufu people would make fun of you for your phobia if they knew?
  65. 01[11:21] <Konyllis> Probably.
  66. 01[11:21] <Konyllis> Then Azure would put a "WARNING KYUU, IT HAS CATS" every time she posts a pic.
  67. [11:22] <Iryan> :|
  68. [11:22] <Iryan> Azure is not a dick
  69. [11:22] <Iryan> I have to admit, I cannot vouch for everyone in that channel, since I've gotten more and more detached from here
  70. [11:22] <Iryan> I don't even know half the people anymore
  71. [11:23] <Iryan> but Azure wouldn't make fun of you if she knew that, this much I know
  72. [11:23] <Iryan> the thing is, though
  73. [11:24] <Iryan> due to your phobia, them posting the colonthree is not a little thing anymore
  74. [11:25] <Iryan> so you WOULD be in the right if you ask them to stop it and they consciously don't comply
  75. [11:25] <Iryan> slip-ups nonwithstanding
  76. [11:26] <Iryan> but as long as nobody knows, they will just continue seeing you as overreacting terribly
  77. [11:27] <Iryan> and thus childish and tempered
  78. 01[11:27] <Konyllis> The real challenge now is how will we have everyone actually know
  79. [11:27] <Iryan> You know, I am reminded of an incident from another forum, several years back
  80. [11:28] <Iryan> what do you mean? You think people wouldn'T believe you?
  81. [11:28] <Iryan> hmm...
  82. 01[11:28] <Konyllis> Exactly that.
  83. [11:28] <Iryan> I can see that being a problem...
  84. [11:30] <Iryan> The most important part would be to make sure that the channel moderators believe you
  85. [11:31] <Iryan> and if you tell them of your phobia, and tell them why you didn't tell until now
  86. [11:31] <Iryan> that would help make them understand
  87. [11:31] <Iryan> now, who are the moderators usually
  88. 01[11:31] <Konyllis> Naut
  89. [11:31] <Iryan> Helepolis - from what I know a reasonable guy, at least not a dick.
  90. [11:32] <Iryan> Sercan - if I tell him to trust you, he will trust you.
  91. [11:32] <Iryan> Naut... is the biggest problem I am seeing here '3'
  92. [11:33] <Iryan> hmm
  93. 01[11:33] <Konyllis> say
  94. 01[11:33] <Konyllis> tell me about that incident
  95. [11:33] <Iryan> oh, that
  96. [11:33] <Iryan> well
  97. [11:34] <Iryan> my first internet forum where the official Magic the Gathering forums on the WotC boards
  98. [11:35] <Iryan> and on one April Fools' day, the mods changed the avatar of every member to a My Little Pony avatar
  99. 01[11:35] <Konyllis> and?
  100. [11:35] <Iryan> note that this was long before FiM made MLP "cool" '3'
  101. 01[11:35] <Konyllis> Hey, I find it cool now.
  102. 06[11:36] * Iryan shrugs
  103. 01[11:36] <Konyllis> But yeah. Not for everyone, as it's mostly "for girls".
  104. [11:36] <Iryan> I have no idea if it is good or not, and I wouldn't judge anybody negatively for liking it
  105. [11:36] <Iryan> but I digress :v
  106. [11:36] <Iryan> well, a few years later, when mods had been forbidden from meddling around on april fools' anymore,
  107. [11:37] <Iryan> some people, me including, dug up that MLP avatar as a form of celebration
  108. [11:37] <Iryan> and being silly in a bunch of spammy threads
  109. [11:37] <Iryan> well
  110. 01[11:37] <Konyllis> ho
  111. 01[11:37] <Konyllis> Was it all the same avatar you were given?
  112. [11:37] <Iryan> yeah :v
  113. [11:38] <Iryan> and several people were getting pissed off because the avatars were so girly and ohmygosh so terrible
  114. [11:38] <Iryan> and everyone told them to go suck it up
  115. 01[11:38] <Konyllis> hurk
  116. [11:38] <Iryan> understandably so
  117. 01[11:38] <Konyllis> A link to your avatar, please?
  118. [11:38] <Iryan> and then one person stumbled into the thread and made a post detailing how he got a panic attack upon viewing the thread because he was equinophobic
  119. [11:39] <Iryan> welp
  120. [11:39] <Iryan> HOWEVER
  121. 01[11:39] <Konyllis> ack
  122. [11:39] <Iryan> the forums have a function to not show any avatars
  123. [11:39] <Iryan> like good forums have
  124. [11:39] <Iryan> and he simply used that afterwards
  125. [11:40] <Iryan> and then, the equinophobic guy told the people who complained about the avatars merely for their girlyness to stop being such whiny little children
  126. [11:41] <Iryan> The one guy who had an actual reason to complain told the other people to suck it up.
  127. [11:41] <Iryan> That was... quite the interesting situation
  128. 01[11:42] <Konyllis> Hmm
  129. [11:42] <Iryan> note that plenty of people were very understanding and immediately changed the avatar back after the equinophobe posted
  130. 01[11:42] <Konyllis> And that was it? :|
  131. [11:42] <Iryan> and then after he mentioned that it was okay now that he turned avatars off, people went back to them
  132. 01[11:43] <Konyllis> ...
  133. [11:43] <Iryan> well, yeah
  134. [11:43] <Iryan> but I see some parallels you know
  135. [11:45] <Iryan> I think it shows that alot of people DO see the difference between someone getting worked up about a minor detail and someone having legitimate psychological concerns
  136. 01[11:46] <Konyllis> hmm...
  137. [11:46] <Iryan> at any rate...
  138. 01[11:47] <Konyllis> Now the question is, how understanding will #danmakufu be
  139. [11:47] <Iryan> as long as people don't know, they will see you as overreacting terribly and childish, and they will not side with you when the issue gets brought up
  140. 01[11:49] <Konyllis> and i will have to let them know
  141. [11:50] <Iryan> either that, or you have to learn to live with people using colonthree, making japanese cat noises, and other things
  142. 01[11:50] <Konyllis> japanese, english, what's the difference?
  143. 01[11:50] <Konyllis> it's a freaking cat
  144. 01[11:50] <Konyllis> it can only make like one sound
  145. [11:50] <Iryan> well
  146. 01[11:50] <Konyllis> or not
  147. [11:51] <Iryan> it is just two different onomatopoeias for the same sound
  148. [11:51] <Iryan> but (and excuse me writing these out)
  149. [11:51] <Iryan> I rarely see people going "meow" in here. But I often see people going "Nya~"
  150. [11:54] <Iryan> At any rate, I hate to see unnecessary conflict of any kind, especially between friends of mine, so...
  151. [11:54] <Iryan> ...yeah.
  152. 01[11:55] <Konyllis> And then Azure tells me to shut up about it.
  153. 01[11:55] <Konyllis> put that in quotes.
  154. [11:56] <Iryan> she doesn't know
  155. 01[11:56] <Konyllis> Should I tell her?
  156. [11:56] <Iryan> and frankly, I told you to shut up, too, didn't I
  157. [11:56] <Iryan> well
  158. 01[11:56] <Konyllis> Yeah, you did.
  159. [11:56] <Iryan> She is a nice person.
  160. 01[11:56] <Konyllis> But if it's coming from her, that's...
  161. [11:57] <Iryan> If you try to make her understand
  162. [11:57] <Iryan> and tell her why you didn't tell until now
  163. [11:57] <Iryan> I am quite certain that she will be understandfull
  164. [11:57] <Iryan> ...wait, is that even a proper english word?
  165. [11:57] <Iryan> ...you know what I mean '3'
  166. 01[11:58] <Konyllis> Well I know.
  167. [11:58] <Iryan> and if she isn't, tell me, and -I- will talk to her about it '3'
  168. [11:58] <Iryan> but try it yourself first
  169. [11:59] <Iryan> ...wait, in the main channel?
  170. [11:59] <Iryan> Right now?
  171. 01[11:59] <Konyllis> Not yet.
  172. [11:59] <Iryan> huh.
  173. 01[11:59] <Konyllis> Bad move!
  174. [11:59] <Iryan> well you are talking in the main channel about it already
  175. [12:04] <Iryan> ...ARE you talking to Azure about it..?
  176. 01[12:04] <Konyllis> No...
  177. 01[12:04] <Konyllis> And I'm afraid to.
  178. 01[12:05] <Konyllis> I don't see it as the time to, right after she just told me to shut up about it.
  179. [12:05] <Iryan> I can understand that...
  180. [12:05] <Iryan> yeah...
  181. [12:05] <Iryan> maybe talk to her somewhen tomorrow or the day after that
  182. [12:05] <Iryan> beginning by apologizing for your outbursts
  183. [12:06] <Iryan> and then explaining your, well, problem
  184. 01[12:06] <Konyllis> "Well, first of all, your problem here is that you're not supposed to express your annoyance by spamming a whole wall of the emote again and again."
  185. [12:07] <Iryan> Truth.
  186. [12:07] <Iryan> but you know what I mean
  187. [12:07] <Iryan> the most important thing for now
  188. [12:08] <Iryan> is that you mustn't have outbursts like this anymore
  189. [12:08] <Iryan> with every time you do this, you make people less likely to actually listen to you
  190. [12:09] <Iryan> because anybody who is reasonable will get pissed off by what on their current state of knowledge is indistinguishable from a childish tantrum
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