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Today's Topics:

   1. WHAT can be done about Ezoic and their spamming through
      Google? (Anne Mitchell)
   2. Re: WHAT can be done about Ezoic and their spamming through
      Google? (mikea)
   3. Re: WHAT can be done about Ezoic and their spamming through
      Google? (Geordie Guy)
   4. Re: WHAT can be done about Ezoic and their spamming through
      Google? (Noel Butler)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:14:51 -0700
From: Anne Mitchell <amitchell@isipp.com>
To: mailop <mailop@mailop.org>
Subject: [mailop] WHAT can be done about Ezoic and their spamming
        through Google?
Message-ID: <489FA53E-93AB-4138-A244-CDDAF6C28F20@isipp.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

We are repeatedly being spammed by Ezoic, and we have reported them to their providers (enom, scalr, Amazon and Google multiple times).

Just *what* can be done about a non-moving target spammer who is sending through Google (already reported to them) and hosting on Amazon? (ditto.)

I don't mean at the local level, I mean about getting them shut down (or at least listed).

Anne






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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:28:12 -0600
From: mikea <mikea@mikea.ath.cx>
To: mailop <mailop@mailop.org>
Subject: Re: [mailop] WHAT can be done about Ezoic and their spamming
        through Google?
Message-ID: <20151222162812.GA59028@mikea.ath.cx>
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On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 09:14:51AM -0700, Anne Mitchell wrote:
> We are repeatedly being spammed by Ezoic, and we have reported them to their providers (enom, scalr, Amazon and Google multiple times).
>
> Just *what* can be done about a non-moving target spammer who is sending through Google (already reported to them) and hosting on Amazon? (ditto.)
>
> I don't mean at the local level, I mean about getting them shut down (or at least listed).

At this point, all I can think of is this:

            If you don't complain, then they can't ignore you.

Google and Amazon are "too big to be shut down", "too important to be
blocked", and "too big to be influenced from outside". That's a bad
combination.

--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mikea@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:14:13 +0000
From: Geordie Guy <Geordie.Guy@covermore.com.au>
To: Anne Mitchell <amitchell@isipp.com>
Cc: mailop <mailop@mailop.org>
Subject: Re: [mailop] WHAT can be done about Ezoic and their spamming
        through Google?
Message-ID: <16F18A22-18A6-46DB-AC07-051B3EE4FDC3@covermore.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

You only control the local level. As a postmaster you're responsible for delivery to and from your domains, not mine, not anyone else's. Get your opsec team to ban their AS at your firewall and go about your day.

Sent from my mobile. Please excuse any unusual brevity or typos while I'm on the go.

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 3:19 AM, Anne Mitchell <amitchell@isipp.com> wrote:
>
> We are repeatedly being spammed by Ezoic, and we have reported them to their providers (enom, scalr, Amazon and Google multiple times).
>
> Just *what* can be done about a non-moving target spammer who is sending through Google (already reported to them) and hosting on Amazon? (ditto.)
>
> I don't mean at the local level, I mean about getting them shut down (or at least listed).
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:26:05 +1000
From: Noel Butler <noel.butler@ausics.net>
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] WHAT can be done about Ezoic and their spamming
        through Google?
Message-ID: <30d0730fb78b2be50dc5e686265da9ba@ausics.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

On 23/12/2015 02:28, mikea wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 09:14:51AM -0700, Anne Mitchell wrote:
>> We are repeatedly being spammed by Ezoic, and we have reported them to
>> their providers (enom, scalr, Amazon and Google multiple times).
>>
>> Just *what* can be done about a non-moving target spammer who is
>> sending through Google (already reported to them) and hosting on
>> Amazon? (ditto.)
>>
>> I don't mean at the local level, I mean about getting them shut down
>> (or at least listed).
>
> At this point, all I can think of is this:
>
>             If you don't complain, then they can't ignore you.
>
> Google and Amazon are "too big to be shut down", "too important to be
> blocked", and "too big to be influenced from outside". That's a bad
> combination.


Rubbish! no-ones too big to be blocked, it's this type of attitude that
allows the bigger players to sit back and say "ahhhhh so what" when you
do complain.

I've blocked google before and I'll block them again in a flash if the
level of crap from them warrants it. Usually only a short period of time
does the trick.

That said, you do need to give them reasonable time to reach your
complaint and act, just because they are one of the larger mail
providers, doesnt mean they have an army of abuse@ desk people, so you
need to be a little patient.

You should already have implemented local measures for general anti spam
anyway, if not use spamassassin and if it doesnt by default catch them,
its very easy to write custom rules if you need to, even if
google/amazon and co do nothing, your problems still solved.


--
If you have the urge to reply to all rather than reply to list, you best
first read  http://members.ausics.net/qwerty/



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