Doolittle on religion, Facebook posts from Jun/Jul 2018

https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle/posts/10156470621327264
Let me help you. Religion and education are the same thing. I know. You wouldn't think so. But that's because you're confusing cooperative technology (self and others) vs productive technology (things).

Separation of church and state is logically impossible. It's simply begging for a conflict of laws.

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https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle/posts/10156470697922264
You know, by and large, christianity is not incompatible with natural law. The whole damned narrative is. But otherwise, the basic principle of direct demonstrated charity, exhaustion of opportunity for forgiveness, and reciprocity is fine. That said .... there is nothing in that list that wasn't in our slavic, nordic, germanic, italic civilization before christianity. Ya see?

BTW: where are our sacred groves of oak trees, our festivals of the seasons. And our worship of our ancestors?

Well. They're right were we left them.

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https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle/posts/10156472544607264
GODS? GUILTY AS CHARGED
(edited for clarity)

In the matter of gods we have only the testimony of men, and the means, motive, and opportunity to lie in their testimony. Given means motive and opportunity to lie, and no evidence of all that they speak the truth, then all gods are merely fictional characters. Those characters serve as anthropomorphic analogies. Those analogies serve as to provide decidability when we have no other means of deciding.

It is not that gods - like all units of measurement - are not useful. They are. Particularly for the intergenerational transfer of such units of measurement.

But there is no difference between Gandalf and Jehova and Allah other than that we make no false testimony to the existence of Gandalf, and we give false testimony to the existence of Jehova and Allah. We must give false testimony because we cannot give testimony of any other kind. It is not possible. None of us have observed the existence of any god that cannot be explained by more simple means.

We can however, give thanks to our ancestors. That is because we have ancestors worthy of our thanks. The reason for the fabrication of Jehova and Allah is that the people who invented those fictional characters had no ancestors worthy of their thanks.

Means, Motive, and Opportunity.

Guilty as Charged.

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THERE IS ONLY ONE MOST PARSIMONIOUS DESCRIPTION AND ONLY MEN ARE WILLING TO SPEAK IT

There are an infinite number of fictions we can fabricate. There is only one most parsimonious description.

As far as I know a god is a fictional character. A demigod is a fictional character. A hero is a fictional character. And archetypal measurements are the easiest for man to employ.

I leave Pilpul, Critique and the Fictionalisms for Women and Abrahamists. Truth is the weapon of men for a reason, and lies the weapon of those who are not men for a reason.

Men Truth, Duty, Sovereignty, Reciprocity, and Markets of Meritocracy.

All else is for those who are not men, but animal.

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Let me help you. Religion and education are the same thing. I know. You wouldn't think so. But that's because you're confusing cooperative technology (self and others) vs productive technology (things).

Separation of church and state is logically impossible. It's simply begging for a conflict of laws.

https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle/posts/10156479656132264
TRUTH IS ENOUGH. IF IT ISN"T ENOUGH FOR SOME, THEY ARE NOT ABLE. ARISTOCRACY IS GOVERNANCE BY THE ABLE.

---"Do you ever worry that you're making enemies out of people not worth making enemies out of? Don't you think there are bigger fish to fry than the largely apathetic Christians in the world today?"--Collin Turney

I worry about what is true, since what is true is the reason for our group evolutionary success. If something is not true, I do not make exceptions, because i fail the test of reciprocity with those who also engage in comforting falsehoods (the left).

There is a cost of sovereignty, liberty, freedom, and prosperity. It is intolerance for falsehood. Even the falsehoods we cherish.

---"That doesn't answer my question. Don't you think there are bigger fish to fry? You've been frying this fish for how long?I'm not so sure your return on investment is too good, in that you have most likely lost many good potential students who realistically would be on board with most of what you say...It doesn't seem like good optics if you're trying to gain a following."---Collin Turney

There are very few readers of the WSJ. But they are the only readers that matter. There are many readers of all other media.. But they don't matter.

The kind of people that follow falsehoods are not the kind of people that matter. What matters is the people who can enforce a constitution of natural law.

I don't appeal to the gutter.

---"The point is to shift the Overton window, not to ignore it."---Collin Turney

That's someone else's problem. My problem is how to govern once we have power. That's a problem no one else as solved.

In fact. I don't see anyone doing anything meaningful. And that all progress is being achieved by nothing more than demographics and the duration of frustration by both sides.

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https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle/posts/10156480149657264
CHRISTIANITY JUST ANOTHER SOCIALIST (FEMALE, HERD, PASTORALIST) DOCTRINE

---"Primitive Christianity is abolition of the state: forbids oaths, war service, courts of justice, self-defense and the defense of any kind of community, the distinction between fellow countrymen and foreigners, and also the differentiation of classes . . . The gospel . . . [is] . . . the news that a gateway to happiness stands open for the poor and lowly—that all one has to do is free oneself from the institutions, traditions, guardianship, of the upper classes: to this extent the rise of Christianity is nothing more than the typical socialist doctrine."---- Friedrich Nietzsche

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https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle/posts/10156482316097264
---"I'm a philosopher and you can't prove that [insert random anti-religious statement]"--- Some Well Meaning Fool.

Well, let us play a game then. Because while you state are a philosopher, I state that I am a scientist specializing in testimony (Truth).

And that means that proofs (tests of internal consistency in axiomatic and therefore declaratives systems) only assist us in falsification outside of reductio (trivial) conditions. And that justificationism in philosophy and theology in all its forms is a sophism for the purpose of deception.

And that tests of truth in existential systems (hypothesis, theory, law) require due diligence against ignorance, error, bias, and deceit. And that fablsificationism in all its forms (science and law) evolved for the purpose of defeating deceptions.

And that the possible dimensions of criticism we are aware of are consistency, correspondence, existential(operational) possibility, rational choice (volition), reciprocity, completeness, parsimony, and coherence.

In other words, while in textual interpretation, scriptural argument, and application of extant law, one justifies a proposition, one does not and cannot prove a statement - instead we seek to falsify propositions and test whether it survives criticism.

My assertion is:
(a) that one cannot testify to the existence of a creator;
(b) that one cannot testify that the works attributed to a creator are not fictions and fictionalisms (lies);
(c) that those who created and perpetuated those lies had motives for spreading those lies, and;
(d) that the consequences of spreading those lies has been the cause of the thousand year dark age, the destruction of the five great civilizations of the ancient world, and the death of somewhere between half a billion and a billion people;
(e) that the argumentative technique invented in order to perpetuate those lies (sophisms), in both via positiva (pilpul and justificationism, using idealism and supernaturalism, with promise of reward/thread of lost opportunity) and via negativa (critique using loading, framing, obscurantism, overloading, suggestion, straw manning, and heaping of undue praise) are open to scientific measurement which defines them as successful methods of deception,
(f) that Boazian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Cantorian Infinities, Marxist History, Economics, and Sociology, Scientific socialism, Feminism, and postmodernism, all make use of this same technique, this time with pseudoscience as a substitute for supernaturalism, and economic and political reward as a substitute for reward in current or afterlife.
(g) And that only warranty of due diligence under the available dimensions of human action: consistency, correspondence, existential(operational) possibility, rational choice (volition), reciprocity, completeness, parsimony, and coherence (Testimony), can defend an assertion (proposition, argument) against ignorance, error, bias, fraud, and deceit, and the spread of consequences thereof.

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ANSWERING A CRITIC

1) ---"Are you saying Truth does not exist?"---

Well, I claim that without perfect knowledge of the universe it is quite difficult to know if we speak the Truth (the most parsimonious description possible). We may in fact speak truthfully and 'the truth' but we can never know so other than under reductio (trivial and irrelevant) criterial.

(See Popper: Critical Rationalism, Critical Preference, and the analytic movement's discovery that closure all but doesn't exist.)

2) ---"Discredited"---

You state that something I've said is discredited but not what. As far as I know I *cannot* err by asserting this series of statements above: that testimony can only insure that it's warrantied against ignorance, error, bias, fraud, and deceit. One can testify truthfully because of due diligence, but one can never know he speaks 'the truth' (an ideal).

Means, motive, opportunity, method of argument.

3) SPEECH: TRANSACTIONS (Phrases, Sentences) PRODUCING CONTRACTS FOR MEANING (Stories).

Speech is only consequential in a contract for meaning with others. Speech only evolves as a consequence of the search for contracts of meaning with others.

4) TRUTH (DECIDABILITY) IS A MATTER OF LAW.

Truth is a matter of law, and the grammars we call logics, mathematics, science, description, and narrative only assist us in the process of creating associations, followed by the process of disambiguation and deflation so that we can then eliminate ignorance error bias and deceit.

Religious 'truth' and "philosophical truth' are not in fact 'truth' but methods of either asserting a falsehood by justification (philosophical) or by authority (religious). As such they are universally statements of COMMAND FOR CONFORMITY (obedience).

Or stated more pejoratively: Law asks we warranty our words or face restitution and punishment. Religion and Philosophy make excuses (deceits) such that speakers can AVOID warranty of their words (liability for deceits).

There are only three means of coercion available to man:
force, trade, and speech(deception).

5) TRUTH (DECIDABILITY) SPECTRUM

[T]AUTOLOGICAL TRUTH: That testimony you give when you promising the equality of two statements using different terms: A circular definition, a statement of equality or a statement of identity.

[A]NALYTIC TRUTH: The testimony you give promising the internal consistency of one or more statements used in the construction of a proof in an axiomatic(declarative) system. (a Logical Truth).

[I]DEAL TRUTH: That testimony (description) you would give, if your knowledge (information) was complete, your language was sufficient, stated without error, cleansed of bias, and absent deceit, within the scope of precision limited to the context of the question you wish to answer; and the promise that another possessed of the same knowledge (information), performing the same due diligence, having the same experiences, would provide the same testimony. (Ideal Truth = Perfect Parsimony.)

[T]RUTHFULNESS: that testimony (description) you give if your knowledge (information) is incomplete, your language is insufficient, you have performed due diligence in the elimination of error, imaginary content, wishful thinking, bias, and deceit; within the scope of precision limited to the question you wish to answer; and which you warranty to be so; and the promise that another possessed of the knowledge, performing the same due diligence, having the same experiences, would provide the same testimony.

[H]ONESTY: that testimony (description) you give with full knowledge that knowledge is incomplete, your language is insufficient, but you have not performed due diligence in the elimination of error and bias, but which you warranty is free of deceit; within the scope of precision limited to the question you wish to answer; and the promise that another possess of the same knowledge (information), performing the same due diligence, having the same experiences, would provide the same testimony.

6) DEMAND FOR DECIDABILITY

True enough to imagine a conceptual relationship
True enough for me to feel good about myself.
True enough for me to take actions that produce positive results.
True enough for me to not cause others to react negatively to me.
True enough to resolve a conflict without subjective opinion among my fellow people with similar values.
True enough to resolve a conflict without subjective opinion across different peoples with different values.
True regardless of all opinions or perspectives.
Tautologically true: in that the two things are equal.

7) WHAT DOES TRUTH MEAN? (AND WHAT IS ITS ADJECTIVE FORM?)

Truth can only mean ‘descriptive testimony free of error, bias, suggestion, obscurantism and deceit’. In other words, speech, the semantic content of which corresponds with reality.

One speaks truthfully, or untruthfully , or honestly or dishonestly.

To be precise, one speaks honestly not having done due diligence, nor warrantying one’s speech. One speaks truthfully having done due diligence, and warrantying one’s speech.

So you might speak honestly – not having done due diligence on your speech. But that is not the same as speaking truthfully – having done due diligence on your speech. So you might give your honest opinion, but that differs from doing diligence that such an opinion survives criticism – meaning correspondence.

Both the physical sciences and law specialize in the art of due diligence. As an extension of law, anglo analytic philosophy attempts to specialize in the art of due diligence. Strangely, continental philosophy does the opposite.

But if speaking truthfully requires that we perform due diligence, and warranty our speech, then how does one perform such due diligence? How do we test correspondence? In the most simple of terms, a truth statement must be:
- categorically consistent (non conflationary)
- internally consistent (logical),
- externally correspondent (empirical),
- operationally possible (existentially possible),
- coherent categorically, internally, externally, and operationally (consistent across all tests)
- fully accounted (you haven’t cherry picked cause and/or consequence)
And if you want to claim it’s ethical and moral (and objectively legal):
- rational: consisting of nothing but a series of fully rational choices
- reciprocal: consisting of nothing other than productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary exchanges free of imposition upon others by externality.

We use the word ‘Truth’ in many, many contexts. Most of them somewhere between a convenience and a dishonesty. True, honest, logical, and good are independent concepts frequently conflated to attribute authority where it is absent.

8) CLOSING
And given that I have been doing this for a very long time, I'm more than certain that you would have actually constructed some form of argument by now if you could - because capable people do so.

I am a scientist (prosecutor) and philosophers and theologians are nothing more than snake oil salesmen selling harmful products that we have not yet outlawed from the market.

Which is easily fixed.
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NO MORE ABRAHAMISM, BECAUSE: NO MORE LIES

My position is very simple, always and everywhere: (a) no more falsehoods, (b) the great civilizations of the ancient world were destroyed by these falsehoods. (c) this same method of creating falsehoods has been recreated in the modern world as marxism-socialism-postmodernism-feminism-freudianism - boazianism; and the very same technique of lies, propaganda, begging tolerance while being flooded with insurgents and opponents has been used today. So fool me once, shame on you (abrahamists), and fool me twice, shame on me.

All groups may need certain social goods, and we may classify those social goods as religion - while I would classify them as education, oath, ritual, feast, and festival. This is just training that includes mindfulness, manners, ethics, morals, traditions, group strategy, histories (rules of cooperation). whereas we have separated civic training (religious training) from occupational training (the use of the grammars of the universe), that is completely unnecessary.

The two changed because the church failed to reform (repeatedly) and the secular (education) developed as a competitor to the church (education),.

There is no reason education - particularly mindfulness (spirituality) - need be constructed of lies - which is evident from the civilizations who were never destroyed by monotheism.

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https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle/posts/10156484790837264
WE WILL DESTROY THEM FOREVER

We are going to destroy them you know:
1) Reinforce Trademarks, Eliminate Copyrights and Drastically limit patents.
2) Outlaw lying in the commons by involuntary liability and warranty of words.
3) De-financialize the credit system and eliminate consumer interest on consumer capital assets (residences and appliances and autos).
4) Eliminate the transportability (escape) of debt instruments while institutionalize the rights to income from it.
5) Reform shareholder laws to prevent hostile takeovers, and to equalize risk and exit.
6) Restructure taxation rates to reflect risk. Eliminate double taxation of dividends.

This will have the effect of destroying nearly all manipulation of the population and all rent seeking.

This will be the greatest competitive advantage since the invention of fiat credit.

It means that there are no rents that allow you to escape the market - anywhere. Even at scale.

Taxes for entrepreneurs, particularly small and medium businesses will nearly disappear.

Huge reallocation of intellectual capital.

Huge reduction in propaganda.

Huge temporary expansion of courts and litigation until enough law accumulates on the books.

STARVE THE BEAST.

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Muslim Conquest of Spain reaches max in 750. Martel begins the reversal in 732, but it takes until 1492. The Merovingians 450-800 could not resist islam. The carolingians 800-880 could not. The viking age begins in 800-1066. The Hanseatic League begins in 1130 and starts to decline after 1450 with the rise of Atlantic Trade.

What we see is clockwise attempts to concentrate power along the trade routes from italy, to spain, to france (really the germanic peoples) to the north sea peoples, to the center of germany. while at ehe same time the overland route through Lotharingia (dense europe today) from Venice to Brussels developed better than the periphery. Old europe (slavic europe today) resisted the muslims and ottomans but only barely. teh combination of the restoration of greek reason, printing, and the wealth of atlantic trade eliminated trade dependence through the middle east. and the west brought about the agrarian, then industrial and scientific revolutions.

The basic problem is christianity was a capital sink (the church was a fucking horribly corrupt and damaging institutions, freezing half of europe's capital).

The point is that the church destroyed the martial order of europe quite intentionally (by design) and that it took the viking restoration to both create the crusades and the opportunity for the hansa (germanic civilization) to develop.

You see this most clearly in the battles of henry the 5th where french knights had become such supernaturalists (believing they had god with them) that they were slaughtered like chickens en mass. You still see the protestant catholic line (Hajnal line).

Islam reached it's point of exhaustion. But it took until 1492 to get them out in the west, and 1683, and was really only reversed in 1992. We have only been free of islam for a few centuries, during which we prospered. We have only been free of the curse of christianity for about the same years. During which we prospered extraordinarily.

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RELIGION VS CULT

---"What is the difference between a cult & religion in practice?"---Zach Edward

First, religions and cults consist of a mythos and costly rituals that require demonstration of advocacy (not necessarily belief) in one or more falsehoods as a substitute for reason and a signal of contribution to the group's informational and as a consequence, behavioral commons.

It's that a religion is adopted at scale and has political influence, and a cult has a smaller scale and does not have political influence.

- Major Religion (influential in a civilization - many governments)
- Religion (Influential in a polity - government)
- Cult (not influential in a polity or government)

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MONOTHEISTIC DIFFERENCES IN DEMAND FOR THRUTH
We are taught to tell the truth no matter the consequences. Judaism teaches that deceit is acceptable with non-jews. Islam teaches to lie whenever advantagous.

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RELIGION IS A POOR SUBSTITUTE FOR THE HUNT

All religion is poor substitute for the initiatic brotherhood of warriors, their hunt, the feast that results, and the thanks of all for it. There is no greater promise than the oath. No greater mindfulness than the hunt. No greater bond than the with those with whom we fight and kill. No greater thrill than winning (Killing). No greater social experience than the feast. No greater thanks than for the feast.

Pity the weak their substitutes.