psyonide thinks the holocost was "exaggerated"

<Nycto{Siouxsie}> This is not shit I have heard from in the form of rumors.
<Psyonide> No, I do believe the holocaust was a probably event.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> This is the stuff coming from the source.
<Psyonide> Though, greatly overexaggerated, in a sense.
<Psyonide> We can't hold the past up to the moral standards and ideals of the present and pretend, "Oh they could have just treated that!"
<Psyonide> ...No.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> How, exactly, is killing millions of people exaggerated?!
<Psyonide> If they couldn't do anything to save someone, they died.
<Psyonide> Simple as that.
<Psyonide> Nycto{Siouxsie}: Not having the resources and equipment to save someone isn't the same as willful and wanton genocide.
<Psyonide> Intent.
<Psyonide> If you planned to lack the resources, that's an intent.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> no no no
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> hold up
<Psyonide> If you did you damn best and could only save as many as you did, that's an entirely different intent.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> we are talking about the holocost
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> not a plague
<Psyonide> Yes.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> THE Holocost
<Psyonide> There was lots of disease present at the time.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> the systematic extermination of many people done by the Nazis.
<Psyonide> I'm not saying the disease was responsible for EVERY death.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> For the purposes of genetic "purity"
<Psyonide> I'm saying disease /existed/.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> yeah, diseases existed.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> so what?
<Psyonide> It killed some of the Jews you're talking about.
<Psyonide> Disease did, not fire.
<Psyonide> SOME.
<Psyonide> Not all.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> DISEASE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS YOU DIPSHIT.
<Psyonide> Yes...?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> THERE WAS A REASON THERE WAS SO MUCH DISEASE.
<Psyonide> Yes...?
<Psyonide> I don't disagree.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> THEY WERE PUT THERE TO DIE. FROM DISEASE. FROM GAS. FROM SLAVE LABOR. FROM FIRE.
<Psyonide> I never said otherwise.
<Psyonide> I didn't say they weren't prisoners.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Just because some of them died because of disease that does NOT mean that they were not killed.
<Psyonide> I didn't say they weren't killed.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Then what the fuck ARE you trying to say
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> how exactly was the holocost "Exaggerated"
<Psyonide> That you're putting words in my mouth and that nothing I possibly say will please you.
<Psyonide> I literally only said the disease existed.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> "<Psyonide> No, I do believe the holocaust was a probably event."
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> "<Psyonide> Though, greatly overexaggerated, in a sense."
<Psyonide> Okay.
<Psyonide> So.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> right the fuck there.
<Psyonide> Instead of asking which parts I think were exaggerated.
<Felis[Jade|Kali|Vega}__> alls I'll say is you dont' hear anything about what stalin did, and hes pretty much got the crown for systematic murder of people he didnt like via forced labor in camps
<Psyonide> You're assuming I must mean the Nazis were saints that never meant to hurt nobody nohow.
<Felis[Jade|Kali|Vega}__> So well that nobody was left to write books about it
<Psyonide> No, they were fucking horrible.
<Psyonide> Have you seen Valkyrie by the way?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> people DO talk about what Stalin did, though not as much as they should. Or america. But the shit that went down in the holocost is, if ANYTHING, swept under the rug.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Also, with the nazis are saints line up there, NOW WHO'S PUTTING WORDS INTO PEOPLE'S MOUTHES?
<Psyonide> Who sweeps what the Nazis did under the rug?
<Psyonide> Who does that?
<Felis[Jade|Kali|Vega}__> Nycto was saying it wasn't
<Felis[Jade|Kali|Vega}__> Just a clarification
<Felis[Jade|Kali|Vega}__> I believe anyways, Im not trying to speak for anyone here
<Psyonide> No no, he's CLAIMING the the holocaust gets swept under the rug somehow.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I am saying that a lot of shit that went down in the holocost is glazed over because it was horrific.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> and fuck you, you are claiming the holocost is "exxagerated"
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You have no fucking idea the level of shit people did there.
<Psyonide> I'm interested in the perspective, because, as far as I can tell, the Nazis still get fucktons of flack, and are commonly taught about in history books in the public education system.
<Psyonide> It's a foreign idea to me.
<Felis[Jade|Kali|Vega}__> Im afraid to talk on this topic because of that year I spent being a diehard /pol/ person
<Psyonide> I've no experience with, "Nazi deeds being ignored as if they didn't happen."
<Felis[Jade|Kali|Vega}__> Trying to get rid of what /pol/ taught me
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Yeah, they talk about the nazis and that there was a holocost, but have you actually read, in depth, exactly what they did?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> and this is NOT about what I said.
<Psyonide> I don't read history much.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> this is about what YOU said Psyonide.
<Psyonide> I know there was a scientist.
<Psyonide> What's his name...
<Psyonide> Did a lot of experiments.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> A scientist.
<Psyonide> Real horrific shit.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> ONE. scientist.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> good fuckin lord you are ignorant.
<Psyonide> I don't remember the name.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Yeah.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> yeah.
<Psyonide> Shit like cutting twins in half and sewing the halves together.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> That was the kindergarten level shit ONE GUY was doing.
<Psyonide> Pretty horrific shit, I never bothered to study it.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Not the horrible stuff that almost no one talks about.
<Psyonide> I never bothered to study it because I never bothered to study it.
<Psyonide> Not because I want to keep things hidden.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> tautology
<Psyonide> Which is what I consider "sweeping under the rug" to mean.
<Psyonide> Or imply.
<Psyonide> Or whatever.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> According to you, it's "exaggerated"
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And you don't even know what they did.
<Psyonide> You asked me for my opinion.
<Psyonide> Fuck off.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> No, I didn't.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You gave it.
<Psyonide> Oh, you don't give a shit about my opinion and never wanted to hear it.
<Psyonide> My mistake.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And you opened your mouth and formed an opinion about something you know almost nothing about.
<Psyonide> Yes.
<Psyonide> Do you have a problem with that fact that I thought things based on what I'd heard from other people?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You are the one who is all about not listening to anyone else but yourself.
<Psyonide> That's what you think.
<Psyonide> It's never been true.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> That's what you have said.
<Psyonide> Not for a damn second.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> So, you know, you could be lying.
<Psyonide> Where?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> few times.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> doesn't matter really.
<Psyonide> Where did I say I don't care about anyone else's perspective?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Few times.
<Psyonide> It does.
<Psyonide> Because I never said anything like that.
<Psyonide> Ever.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Quite a few in my experience.
<Psyonide> Never said or implied or even /hinted/ at not valuing the perspectives of others.
<Psyonide> Quote it.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> It's your reasoning for thinking retarded people are "rumors". As well as the governments. and corporations. And it's why you don't listen to rumors or what other people say.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> "I didn't experience it myself"
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You always tote that up.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> What, you don't like someone pointing out that you say these things?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You're the one who doesn't give a shit.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> So either other opinions matter, or they don't.
<Psyonide> They do.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And since you have said multiple times, more often than not, that you don't care, I am going with that.
<Psyonide> Why wouldn't they?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Because they aren't yours.
<Psyonide> You think I've learned everything I think I know under my own volition?
<Psyonide> You think I don't appreciate the researches and the people who came before me?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You don't think retarded people exist because you haven't seen any, and you have willingly chosen to disregard everything anyone has said about it.
<Psyonide> The people who raised me and put information in front of me?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Therefore, their opinions don't matter.
<Psyonide> You think I don't comprehend their existence and hard work?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> It's not yours, and you were the one who said you willingly choose this isolation.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> You said if it's not from you, it's not worth it.
<Psyonide> Of fucking COURSE other people and their perspectives matter!
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> except for things that might prove you wrong.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> like, about retarded people.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> or the holocost.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> or the government.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> or corporations.
<Psyonide> When did I say ANYTHING to the effect of: "if it's not from you, it's not worth it."?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Few times. Didn't log it.
<Psyonide> Lies and slander.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> might be there in that debate, who knows.
<Psyonide> Leave me be, please.
<Psyonide> In peace.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Why would I lie about this?
<Psyonide> I didn't say you lied.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> I have no reason to lie when you do this to yourself.
<Psyonide> Don't put words in my mouth.
<Psyonide> You're an honest fuck, and don't let anyone tell you different.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> That is clearly what you imply when you say "lies and slander" when someone states something.
<Psyonide> You're just severely misreading what I said, and holding it against me even after a peace offering that had no meaning to you as I can see.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> There is literally no other interpretation someone will make other than that one, unless they try very hard NOT to do that.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> There was, but then you said that shit about the holocost
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And I called you out about it.
<Psyonide> Yes, I like to think I've put lots of effort into clarifying what I meant.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> In my own way.
<Psyonide> By accusing you of being honest but simply mistaken in your reading of me.
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> Well, that's your fault then.
<Psyonide> No duh?
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> It's not my job to communicate for you.
<Psyonide> If I'm as smart as I think I am, then of COURSE it's my fault if I choose to be subtly misunderstood!
<Nycto{Siouxsie}> And when you say shit like "the holocost was exaggerated", that pisses people right off.
<Psyonide> If I can speak with mathematical precision, and choose not to, that IS *my* fault!
<Psyonide> If damn well is.
<Psyonide> And I know it.
<Psyonide> And freely admit it.
<Psyonide> It's my fault.
<Psyonide> How I choose to act, and how I choose to cast possible misinterpretations into my words is MY fucking fault.
<Psyonide> I am to blame for my behavior.
<Psyonide> I'm not faultless.