[00:00] <Drest> I'm deeply concerned right now. The only way for Bob to have more than 100 health is to be a 20HD skeleton that was raised in an area of Desecrate. Skeletons have a D8 hit die, and always take the average. 20 x 4.5 for 90 health, and then the desecrate spell gives skeletons raised within it +1 hp per hit die which would boost it to 110 hp. However, this is 100% not possible as Kali is only able to
[00:00] <Drest> control 4x her level in HD of undead (18 HD). On top of that, the Animate Dead spell can only raise 2x your HD in undead at a time (x4 HD if the spell Desecrate was used). So it's impossible for her to both control and create this undead.  So far the skeleton Bob has taken 145 damage if the Beastmen are using blunt weapons, and 115 damage if they are not using blunt weapons. Even if she was somehow
[00:00] <Drest> 'mistaken' about how her own ability functions, the amount of damage that Bob has taken is blatant.
[00:04] <Drest> Skeletons have a base Charisma of 10, and use their charisma for health bonus so it gets no normal bonus hit points per HD. The only way to give it a higher charisma with the Animate Dead spell is by creating a Bloody Skeleton, which costs 2x the amount of HD at creation. This means that she could at maximum create a 12HD bloody skeleton that has 12 x 4.5 for 54 HP, then +2 charisma modifier for 24 more
[00:04] <Drest> HP at 78, and finally created in a Desecrate spell for +12 HP at 90
[00:04] <Drest> No matter how I look at it, it's not possible
[00:06] <MsWinter> what about DR and fast healing?
[00:06] <Drest> I know that you prefer rules to be brought up at the end of the session, but this is so blatant
[00:06] <Drest> DR5/bludgeoning means that it would have taken 115 damage
[00:06] <Drest> if it had fast healing, it would have been a bloody skeleton
[00:06] <Drest> And not have over 100hp
[00:08] <MsWinter> Noted
[00:10] <Drest> Is it a bloody skeleton, and how much HD does it have? Because this is a major concern for me after I've brought up concerns over Sierra being favorited in the game. I'm really hoping I'm somehow wrong or you weren't aware of this, but this is really concerning
[00:11] <MsWinter> Do you want me to halt this session right now and public address it and ensure a meltdown
[00:11] <MsWinter> ?
[00:12] <MsWinter> I said i noted what you said
[00:12] <MsWinter> Do you need something else?
[00:13] <Drest> I don't want you to do anything you don't want to do
[00:13] <MsWinter> I won't address this right now
[00:13] <MsWinter> If you want to take this as "unfair favoritism"
[00:13] <MsWinter> that's your call
[00:13] <MsWinter> I have a reason to why i prefer this shit to come up after sessions
[00:13] <MsWinter> I have already let you know that you were heard
[00:13] <Drest> I'd only take it as unfair favoritism if you were aware of her breaking the rules, which I don't believe you were
[00:13] <MsWinter> And you continued to press the issue
[00:14] <MsWinter> No, I was not aware. and I am not aware, because I don't know if she's breaking them or not
[00:14] <MsWinter> I will take my time to review the whole math behind it
[00:14] <MsWinter> AFTER the session.
[00:31] <Drest> My math was wrong on the HD controlled, she can control a max of 24 HD in undead and create a max of 24 if the Desecrate spell was used and 12HD if the desecrate spell was not used.
[00:36] <MsWinter> I dont know how else to address this
[00:36] <MsWinter> I dont have the availability to do this right now
[00:37] <Drest> I'm not asking you to
[00:37] <Drest> I realized I was off a bit and made sure to tell you before the game ended and you left the IRC or I forgot
[00:37] <Drest> That way you wouldn't be looking at it with incorrect info from me
[00:38] <MsWinter> Why do you think she cant control more than 12HD of undeads?
[00:38] <Drest> Create, not control
[00:38] <Drest> Animate Dead lets you animate 2x your Caster Level in undead
[00:38] <Drest> That's 12HD of undead she can create, and 24 HD of undead she can control
[00:39] <MsWinter> Alright
[00:40] <Drest> If she used the desecrate spell, using Unholy Water to mark an area, then she can create 24HD of undead. That still doesn't change the concerns over HP and damage that I brought up, since it would need to be a 20HD normal skeleton or 14HD Bloody Skeleton created in an area of Desecrate in order to have more than 100 HP
[00:40] <MsWinter> its HP is up to code for what it is
[00:40] <MsWinter> So
[00:40] <Drest> And you can't make a 14HD bloody skeleton even with Desecrate at level 6 because it counts as 2x HD when animating but normal HD for control, so it would take 28 HD of creation and 14 of control
[00:40] <MsWinter> Take it with paizo who provided the template creatures and rules to adapting them to undeads
[00:41] <Drest> What is it then?
[00:43] <Drest> Please tell me
[00:45] <MsWinter> Did i not tell you i wont address this right now?
[00:46] <MsWinter> And, if I talk to si and everything is regular by raw, would you be satisfied or will you want to check it yourself?
[00:46] <Drest> I want to check for myself because I don't believe Si.
[00:46] <Drest> All you have to do is link me the base creature and I can tell you easily