Christian patience and love

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ⓘ Original Sin, what is it? Why is it important to good people who live life the best they can? Why is it important to Christ to not be born from Joseph's seed?
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ChuckWagon Thats the thing that is bothering some I have listened to today leading up to this action. Is this a one time event, or will he want to affect a regime change?
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+kittyboo
i dont think this is a war- yet
@ChuckWagon
At this time, I don't know what the right thing is or the wrong thing is.  I only know it's deadly serious and we need to pray for our leaders.
+Banquo
What if you don't pray ChuckWagon?
+Snowflakes
Are you talking about Syria?
Donald Trump is not fit to be president and we should predict bad decisions from him when confronted with complex situations.
+Banquo
Is that lania Raven`X?
@ChuckWagon
Banquo: I have been/am/will be praying and many others are as well.  Thankfully, I won't find out what will happen if we don't pray. (c:
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+Snowflakes
Prayer is useful, in some people, for moderating emotions.
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RenaissanceMan: Are you concerned about the power of the ideas coming from Rex Tillerson when he uses both sides of his mouth?
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Hi Raven`X :-)
Snowflakes: I don't know why we invest so much in solar energy when hot air seems to be a major American resource .
+Snowflakes
That makes sense.
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we had a 2 hour power outage today, but i didnt notice it, we have solar
ⓘ Pray for our world's leaders. (1 Timothy 2:1-2)
+Snowflakes
I'm just thinking about how all this time as SoS, through his confirmation hearings, he only had to use half of his mouth.
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+Snowflakes
I don't think prayer is effective in guiding world leaders.
Instead, I suggest we do the following:
1 - Collection information from the media, especially those who have shown a willingness to criticize the current people in power
2 - Support a culture which promotes strong media organizations
3 - Vote in representatives which have good minds and support the Constitution
+barabbas`
Raven`X Have you seen the new solar roof panels that look like composition shingles?
@ChuckWagon
Snowflakes: Question - would doing those things prevent prayer?  Is this an either/or proposition?
+Snowflakes
4 - Educate ourselves about history so that we know how governments often use military action to distract from other failings
ChuckWagon: I think that prayer is compatible with the above practices
+mugz
US military says 59 missiles fired
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1241186546001/?#sp=watch-live
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+Snowflakes
The primary danger of doing prayer is if you overvalue its effectiveness -- then you may be disincentivized to do the hard work of other behaviors
@ChuckWagon
Snowflakes: Then ... no worries.  We don't have to do one instead of the other as you suggested.
+mugz
ya, thats some serious shock & awe :)
+Snowflakes
mugz: I hope we didn't murder too many innocent people with our attacks.
+mugz
1,000 pound bombs each
+Snowflakes
ChuckWagon: Most tools can be useful if employed correctly.
+mugz
we targeted an airbase
the same base that launched the chemical attack
+Snowflakes
mugz: There may be a number of civilian personnel at that base who had no role in the chemical attack.
I would like to get more information.
@ChuckWagon
Snowflakes: Just saying - it's not an "instead of" necessity.  Praying certainly does no harm.
+barabbas`
Still don't know how much actual damage the attack did.
+Snowflakes
The pattern with these attacks is we generally don't get the whole story for days and weeks later.
+mugz
Snowflakes well - the signal is then dont go there :)
stay away from Syrian airbases :P
+Snowflakes
mugz: How did that signal get to the innocent people?
+barabbas`
Hopefully it cripples Asaads air ability for some time.
+Snowflakes
mugz: I think you're showing a disregard for the lives of others.
+mugz
when you work on a military facility during a time of war, that is a risk you take
+Snowflakes
mugz: Donald Trump has shown that he has virtually zero empathy.
+mugz
especally during a time of war
+Snowflakes
There is very good reason to think that he did not include the lives of non-combatants in his calculations.
This is a potential problem as killing non-combatants without regard is a war crime.
Even if you, additionally, harm some bad guys from doing bad things.
+mugz
Snowflakes is pedotroll
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mugz: You just honored Jesus Christ with your post.
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He did look like I've never seen him before - almost in tears.  He was in a deeply moved attitude.
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Curiosu factoid for the day: payload of 1 Russian Tu-160 bomber: 88,000 pounds. Payload of 60 tomohawk misiles: 60,000 pounds. Cost of 88,000 points dropped by a tu-160 bomber: $2.2. Cost of 60,000 pounds dropped by tomohawk cruise missiles: $192m.
$2.2million for the Tu-160. vs. $192m for the tomohawks.
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cruise missles were used because they fly about 50ft off the ground. Syrian anti aircraft is very effective so bombers weren't viable.
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