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  1. [16:02] [16:02] 18<25peterix> anyway, no instance config means no instance
  2. [16:02] [16:02] 18<25peterix> you can do it manually
  3. [16:03] [16:03] 18<25peterix> make an instance of 1.5.2
  4. [16:03] [16:03] 18<25peterix> put the pack in there
  5. [16:03] [16:03] 18<25peterix> done
  6. [16:03] [16:03] 31<The_Catman>30 yeah, that's what I was planning to do
  7. [16:06] [16:06] 31<The_Catman>30 wait, by instance config you mean instance.cfg in the root of the instance folder, yeah?
  8. [16:06] [16:06] 18<25peterix> yes
  9. [16:07] [16:07] 31<The_Catman>30 then i don't think that's an issue
  10. [16:08] [16:08] 31<The_Catman>30 when they're imported they have a fully functional instance.cfg
  11. [16:08] [16:08] 18<25peterix> oh... ok
  12. [16:08] [16:08] 18<25peterix> I did say I completely forgot about the feature :)
  13. [16:08] [16:08] 31<The_Catman>30 lol
  14. [16:09] [16:09] 18<25peterix> brobably should be in the backlog somewhere
  15. [16:09] [16:09] 18<25peterix> *probably
  16. [16:09] [16:09] 18<25peterix> although bros are surely involved
  17. [16:09] [16:09] 18<25peterix> lol
  18. [16:11] [16:11] 18<25peterix> Exception: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError thrown from the UncaughtExceptionHandler in thread "Minecraft main thread"
  19. [16:12] [16:12] 18<25peterix> right
  20. [16:12] [16:12] 18<25peterix> 120MB of mods
  21. [16:12] [16:12] 18<28Briman> 120MB != 120MB of RAM used
  22. [16:12] [16:12] 18<25peterix> yeah, it's java
  23. [16:12] [16:12] 18<25peterix> it means at least 10x more
  24. [16:12] [16:12] 18<28Briman> depends on the mod
  25. [16:13] [16:13] 31<The_Catman>30 FTB manages to load the packs fine given the same memory constraints
  26. [16:13] [16:13] 18<28Briman> you could have a gig of mods and have them use 10MB of RAM depending on what they do
  27. [16:13] [16:13] 18<25peterix> I ran out of memory here
  28. [16:13] [16:13] 18<28Briman> how much mem is allocated to MC?
  29. [16:13] [16:13] 31<The_Catman>30 and I don't get that error
  30. [16:13] [16:13] 18<25peterix> the max heap is 1GB by default in mmc
  31. [16:13] [16:13] 18<28Briman> you'll need at least 2 for a light pack, 4 for a hefty pack
  32. [16:13] [16:13] 18<28Briman> yeah 1GB is tiny
  33. [16:13] [16:13] 18<25peterix> so it ate 1GB
  34. [16:13] [16:13] 18<25peterix> it's FUCKING HUGE
  35. [16:13] [16:13] 18<25peterix> ridiculous
  36. [16:13] [16:13] 18<28Briman> my laptop has 8
  37. [16:13] [16:13] 31<The_Catman>30 what happens when i run it is that it loads for awhile and then just stops
  38. [16:13] [16:13] 18<28Briman> 1gb is tiny, trust me
  39. [16:13] [16:13] 31<The_Catman>30 no errors or anything
  40. [16:13] [16:13] 31<The_Catman>30 doesn't even crash
  41. [16:13] [16:13] 31<The_Catman>30 just stops loading
  42. [16:14] [16:14] 18<25peterix> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM warning: Exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError occurred dispatching signal SIGHUP to handler- the VM may need to be forcibly terminated
  43. [16:14] [16:14] 18<25peterix> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM warning: Exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError occurred dispatching signal SIGTERM to handler- the VM may need to be forcibly terminated
  44. [16:14] [16:14] 18<25peterix> HAHA
  45. [16:14] [16:14] 18<25peterix> this is quite hilarious
  46. [16:14] [16:14] 18<25peterix> it's using 1.3GB of RAM
  47. [16:15] [16:15] 18<25peterix> and it didn't even fully load
  48. [16:15] [16:15] 18<28Briman> you act like mods don't use RAM or something
  49. [16:15] [16:15] 31<The_Catman>30 yeah, i can run them fine in the FTB launcher with the MAXRAM set at 2GB
  50. [16:15] [16:15] 18<25peterix> this isn't ram use
  51. [16:15] [16:15] 18<25peterix> this is a leak gone wild
  52. [16:15] [16:15] 18<28Briman> yes it is
  53. [16:15] [16:15] 18<28Briman> leak == ram use
  54. [16:15] [16:15] 18<28Briman> and it's not a leak
  55. [16:15] [16:15] 18<25peterix> leak = ram abuse
  56. [16:15] [16:15] 18<28Briman> no
  57. [16:15] [16:15] 18<25peterix> yes, it is
  58. [16:15] [16:15] 18<25peterix> if it isn't... well
  59. [16:16] [16:16] 18<28Briman> you act as if 1GB would be enough to run minecraft
  60. [16:16] [16:16] 31<The_Catman>30 it's not a leak, that's about as much ram as large modpacks always use
  61. [16:16] [16:16] 18<25peterix> it is
  62. [16:16] [16:16] 18<28Briman> it's barely enough for vanilla
  63. [16:16] [16:16] 18<25peterix> that's... terrible
  64. [16:16] [16:16] 18<28Briman> peterix, this is 2013
  65. [16:16] [16:16] 18<25peterix> 300MB is quite enough for vanilla
  66. [16:16] [16:16] 18<28Briman> games are going to use more than 1GB of ram
  67. [16:16] [16:16] 31<The_Catman>30 my low end 3 year old system has 8GB of RAM
  68. [16:16] [16:16] 18<28Briman> this is why gaming computers have at the very least 8GB of RAM
  69. [16:16] [16:16] 18<25peterix> whatever
  70. [16:17] [16:17] 18<25peterix> this is just ridiculous
  71. [16:17] [16:17] 31<The_Catman>30 this is normal and proper modpack ram usage >_>
  72. [16:17] [16:17] 31<The_Catman>30 nothing ridiculous about it
  73. [16:17] [16:17] 18<25peterix> you have a really skewed idea of normal
  74. [16:17] [16:17] 31<The_Catman>30 no, i think you do
  75. [16:17] [16:17] 23* 23JZTech101 has quit (23Quit: Bye23)
  76. [16:18] [16:18] 18<25peterix> eh... how do I use this kick feature again... I don't have the time for this bullshit guys
  77. [16:18] [16:18] 18<25peterix> we could argue all day
  78. [16:18] [16:18] 18<25peterix> I think this is terrible abuse
  79. [16:18] [16:18] 31<The_Catman>30 I've been running modded servers since forge existed, 2GB alotment has always been the norm >_>
  80. [16:19] [16:19] 18<28Briman> i give MC 4GB
  81. [16:19] [16:19] 31<The_Catman>30 it's not abuse, it's what's necesary for it to do what your asking it to do
  82. [16:19] [16:19] 18<25peterix> 2GB to show a *MENU* ?
  83. [16:19] [16:19] 18<28Briman> ^ stupid comment
  84. [16:19] [16:19] 18<28Briman> servers use more RAM than a client
  85. [16:19] [16:19] 18<28Briman> and you're an idiot if you think otherwise
  86. [16:19] [16:19] 18<25peterix> servers need to handle more than one dude running around
  87. [16:20] [16:20] 18<25peterix> yeah
  88. [16:20] [16:20] 18<28Briman> you also have to realize that the client loads EVERYTHING at startup
  89. [16:20] [16:20] 18<25peterix> the menu
  90. [16:20] [16:20] 18<25peterix> yes
  91. [16:20] [16:20] 18<28Briman> so the game doesn't freeze during the game
  92. [16:20] [16:20] 31<The_Catman>30 I meant from the client end 2 is the norm
  93. [16:20] [16:20] 31<The_Catman>30 my server's run on 3-4
  94. [16:20] [16:20] 18<25peterix> there is nothing to load
  95. [16:20] [16:20] 18<28Briman> there is
  96. [16:20] [16:20] 18<25peterix> FUCK THIS
  97. [16:20] [16:20] 18<28Briman> all of the mods' textures, sounds, models, etc. are loaded at startup
  98. [16:20] [16:20] 18<25peterix> you are ignored from now on
  99. [16:20] [16:20] 31<The_Catman>30 that's just the way minecraft works
  100. [16:20] [16:20] 18<28Briman> Forkk, you have terrible ops
  101. [16:20] [16:20] 31<The_Catman>30 ^
  102. [16:21] [16:21] 18<28Briman> you can't just ignore somebody because they're right and you're wrong
  103. [16:21] [16:21] 18<28Briman> srsly
  104. [16:21] [16:21] 18<28Briman> plus, (if i was an idiot) i could now spam the channel and the op couldn't see it.
  105. [16:21] [16:21] 18<28Briman> juuuuuuuust saying
  106. [16:22] [16:22] 31<The_Catman>30 how can you have anything to do with a minecraft launcher and not know the basics of how minecraft works -_-
  107. [16:22] [16:22] 18<25peterix> I refuse to look at the internals on principle. It's just too ugly on the inside.
  108. [16:22] [16:22] 31<The_Catman>30 ...
  109. [16:23] [16:23] 31<The_Catman>30 that is the dumbest shit i have heard all day
  110. [16:23] [16:23] 18<25peterix> the decompiling doesn't help
  111. [16:23] [16:23] 31<The_Catman>30 peterix: you don't have to tear minecraft apart just to look at the bloody console output
  112. [16:24] [16:24] 31<The_Catman>30 it tells you exactly what it's doing
  113. [16:24] [16:24] 18<28Briman> Forkk, seriously. get an op who can actually contribute to the channel
  114. [16:24] [16:24] 18<28Briman> this is stupid
  115. [16:24] [16:24] 18<25peterix> oh, I see the console output
  116. [16:24] [16:24] 18<25peterix> and how forge loads some trivial shit for 10 minutes
  117. [16:24] [16:24] 18<28Briman> "trivial"
  118. [16:24] [16:24] 18<28Briman> lol
  119. [16:24] [16:24] 31<The_Catman>30 vanilla minecraft does that
  120. [16:24] [16:24] 18<28Briman> as in like 1000 blocks each with at least one texture
  121. [16:24] [16:24] 18<25peterix> nope
  122. [16:24] [16:24] 31<The_Catman>30 yes, it does
  123. [16:24] [16:24] 18<24stephenmac7> Minecraft is written in java, what did you expect?
  124. [16:24] [16:24] 31<The_Catman>30 it loads every single texture and resource when you launch the game
  125. [16:25] [16:25] 18<24stephenmac7> High performance with low resource usage?
  126. [16:25] [16:25] 31<The_Catman>30 always has
  127. [16:25] [16:25] 18<28Briman> java isn't exactly the problem here
  128. [16:25] [16:25] 18<28Briman> you can make a resource-efficient
  129. [16:25] [16:25] 18<25peterix> 60MB of resources?
  130. [16:25] [16:25] 18<28Briman> you can make a resource-efficient program in java*
  131. [16:25] [16:25] 18<28Briman> if you're not notch.
  132. [16:25] [16:25] 18<25peterix> 1.3 GB and running out of memory?
  133. [16:25] [16:25] 18<24stephenmac7> :P
  134. [16:25] [16:25] 18<25peterix> DO YOU SEE THE DISCONNECT THERE?
  135. [16:25] [16:25] 18<25peterix> DO YOU?
  136. [16:25] [16:25] 18<28Briman> peterix, disk space != RAM usage#
  137. [16:25] [16:25] 18<25peterix> BECAUSE I DO
  138. [16:25] [16:25] 18<28Briman> s/#/\./
  139. [16:26] [16:26] 18<28Briman> dangit, no bot in here.
  140. [16:26] [16:26] 18<25peterix> BECAUSE I'M NOT FUCKING BLIND
  141. [16:26] [16:26] 19* 19JZTech101 (~jztech101@12.216.224.66) has joined #MultiMC
  142. [16:26] [16:26] 18<28Briman> srsly forkk
  143. [16:26] [16:26] 18<25peterix> AND YOU. ARE. BLOCKED.
  144. [16:26] [16:26] 18<28Briman> get your ops under control
  145. [16:26] [16:26] 31<The_Catman>30 peterix: do you even know what minecraft is?
  146. [16:26] [16:26] 31<The_Catman>30 like, what the hell are you even doing here?
  147. [16:27] [16:27] 18<25peterix> I really shouldn't listen to satanist metal.
  148. [16:27] [16:27] 23* 23JZTech101 has quit (23Read error: Connection reset by peer23)
  149. [16:27] [16:27] 19* 19JZTech101 (~jztech101@12.216.224.66) has joined #MultiMC
  150. [16:27] [16:27] 18<29Orochimarufan> FYI: peter is lead dev for MMC5
  151. [16:27] [16:27] 18<29Orochimarufan> you'd better not make him mad D:
  152. [16:28] [16:28] 18<28Briman> lol if that's true i'll stop using MMC
  153. [16:28] [16:28] 18<28Briman> that would be truly pathetic
  154. [16:28] [16:28] 31<The_Catman>30 welp, we're doomed
  155. [16:28] [16:28] 18<27TakSuyu> No skin off our bones ^_^
  156. [16:28] [16:28] 18<25peterix> I dislike stupid arguments.
  157. [16:28] [16:28] 18<29Orochimarufan> do what you must
  158. [16:28] [16:28] 18<28Briman> "LOL MMC5 ONLY ALLOWS 1 MEGABYTE OF RAM FOR MINECRAFT THAT'S STUPID TO NEED MORE HAVE A GOOD DAY"
  159. [16:28] [16:28] 18<29Orochimarufan> ... you don't get his argument AT ALL
  160. [16:28] [16:28] 18<25peterix> and for some reason, this music I'm listening to makes me want to just tear things apart.
  161. [16:28] [16:28] 18<28Briman> you're right, i don't
  162. [16:29] [16:29] 18<25peterix> so... don't take that too seriously :P
  163. [16:29] [16:29] 31<The_Catman>30 his argument is that he has no idea how minecraft works so he's yelling about how ridiculous it is for it to be using ram on launch when that's exactly what it needs to do
  164. [16:29] [16:29] 18<28Briman> peterix, you're complaining about your music? i have to sit in a channel with this peterix dude ranting about stuff he doesn't know about.
  165. [16:29] [16:29] 18<28Briman> you have it easy
  166. [16:30] [16:30] 18<29Orochimarufan> trust me, peter knows more about memory quirks than you think
  167. [16:30] [16:30] 18<28Briman> lol not from what i can tell
  168. [16:30] [16:30] 18<29Orochimarufan> personally, i blame java :P
  169. [16:30] [16:30] 18<28Briman> you can't have 120MB worth of mods and expect to get away with 1 GB of RAM usage
  170. [16:30] [16:30] 18<24stephenmac7> Orochimarufan: +1
  171. [16:31] [16:31] 18<24stephenmac7> I blame java too
  172. [16:31] [16:31] 18<28Briman> even if the mods were rewritten to use resources more efficiently (which some of them, i admit, don't do)
  173. [16:31] [16:31] 31<The_Catman>30 he can know everything in the world about memory quircks but if he doesn't understand tht loading resources uses RAM than he isn't a very useful dev
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