7thFullMoon

Charan "70 on Standard" Jaydemyr

Feb 18th, 2015
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  1. 2015/02/17 05:00:33 201714768 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: .
  2. 2015/02/17 05:00:44 201725470 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: Are you free
  3. 2015/02/17 05:00:46 201727186 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: for a chat
  4. 2015/02/17 05:01:00 201741272 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Sup?
  5. 2015/02/17 05:01:07 201748199 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I was snooping
  6. 2015/02/17 05:01:13 201754938 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I saw your build post
  7. 2015/02/17 05:01:19 201760819 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: oh, okay.
  8. 2015/02/17 05:01:29 201770647 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I wanted to point out
  9. 2015/02/17 05:01:35 201776560 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Did I make a mistake?
  10. 2015/02/17 05:01:40 201781334 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: that infernal mantle is in my view a bad choice
  11. 2015/02/17 05:01:48 201789586 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Give me an alternative.
  12. 2015/02/17 05:01:50 201791770 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: no just want to discuss some of the choices
  13. 2015/02/17 05:02:07 201808899 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Any rare chest or one of the survivability focused uniques
  14. 2015/02/17 05:02:27 201828383 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Point being, you can equate this to a burning wander of sorts
  15. 2015/02/17 05:02:29 201830817 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Such as? Keep in mind that my goal was to use underappreciated/disliked uniques.
  16. 2015/02/17 05:02:30 201831925 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: it's funny looking
  17. 2015/02/17 05:02:43 201844218 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: you want a total hipster option?
  18. 2015/02/17 05:02:45 201846573 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: cloak of flame
  19. 2015/02/17 05:02:50 201851518 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Hmm.
  20. 2015/02/17 05:03:20 201881252 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: This build is practically a burning wander with no stick to wave at things
  21. 2015/02/17 05:03:30 201890987 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: uses a spell instead
  22. 2015/02/17 05:03:41 201902609 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I'd suggest scaling the fire damage on fire ball as high as possible
  23. 2015/02/17 05:03:52 201913061 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: and IM chops 25% right off
  24. 2015/02/17 05:04:11 201932264 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Well, it's not 20/20 yet, sadly. I'll reject your Cloak suggestion -- the burning duration is okay, but you're losing a lot of crit chance.
  25. 2015/02/17 05:04:30 201951858 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: and that ES converted to mana is very handy.
  26. 2015/02/17 05:04:53 201974946 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Sure is but you don't run arctic armour, you always have full unreserved mana
  27. 2015/02/17 05:05:15 201996412 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: and with better resistances on items you don't need purity
  28. 2015/02/17 05:05:17 201998393 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Not always, but often. And if I switch to voidbringer, then I definitely don't.
  29. 2015/02/17 05:05:35 202016879 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: That's true. But you're missing the point. Did you actually read the guide? You're adding cost.
  30. 2015/02/17 05:05:47 202028642 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I did
  31. 2015/02/17 05:06:02 202043602 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I'm glad you've come up with your own suggestions. That's the aim.
  32. 2015/02/17 05:06:02 202043696 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: but
  33. 2015/02/17 05:06:48 202089311 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: : |
  34. 2015/02/17 05:07:08 202109731 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I don't have this well thought out, or I do, but not in words
  35. 2015/02/17 05:07:18 202119044 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: okay.
  36. 2015/02/17 05:07:35 202136345 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Let's start with wandslinging. Can it get that level of pure fire per shot on this budget?
  37. 2015/02/17 05:07:50 202151399 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Yeah
  38. 2015/02/17 05:07:54 202155440 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: in standard league, anyway
  39. 2015/02/17 05:08:08 202169417 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: go on.
  40. 2015/02/17 05:08:15 202176188 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Piscator's, need I say more?
  41. 2015/02/17 05:08:30 202191538 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: you don't even need a 5-Link
  42. 2015/02/17 05:09:01 202222177 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Piscators are so devalued
  43. 2015/02/17 05:09:13 202234626 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: that item is at least an exalted orb. How much do you think that Quill Rain cost me?
  44. 2015/02/17 05:09:24 202245031 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I think it dropped in mud flats
  45. 2015/02/17 05:09:28 202249243 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: That item is 10c
  46. 2015/02/17 05:09:38 202259929 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: quick search reveals it, and I've bought it lower
  47. 2015/02/17 05:09:56 202277432 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: My quill rain? It was a chaos. Piscator's? Seeing hits for one exalt and up. Point stands. Piscator's adds cost. Significant.
  48. 2015/02/17 05:10:08 202289210 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Also, you're losing a LOT of projectile speed.
  49. 2015/02/17 05:10:24 202305700 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: a wand's attack is faster than a fireball
  50. 2015/02/17 05:11:02 202343842 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: That is true. Hm. I'll take that into consideration, but reject the idea that you can achieve that much fire and speed with a wand for the same cost.
  51. 2015/02/17 05:11:24 202365432 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: this is too formal
  52. 2015/02/17 05:11:28 202368958 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: lol
  53. 2015/02/17 05:11:29 202370222 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: also, wands are a stupid choice for botw. Kinetic blast, power siphon. Already out of proportion.
  54. 2015/02/17 05:11:44 202385213 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: No, you wanted to cross-examine what I've put up, and that's cool. I'm just responding.
  55. 2015/02/17 05:11:58 202399425 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I know but I don't enjoy this manner of speech
  56. 2015/02/17 05:12:02 202403793 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I understand what's going on
  57. 2015/02/17 05:12:06 202407085 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: :P
  58. 2015/02/17 05:12:16 202417459 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: lol u want dis insted
  59. 2015/02/17 05:12:17 202418457 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: k
  60. 2015/02/17 05:12:18 202419752 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: go on
  61. 2015/02/17 05:12:25 202426741 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I was only equating it to a burning wander
  62. 2015/02/17 05:12:28 202429096 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: as in
  63. 2015/02/17 05:12:31 202432840 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: it is mechanically similar
  64. 2015/02/17 05:12:50 202451108 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: so you can use mechanisms from a build like that in yours
  65. 2015/02/17 05:13:00 202461030 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: yeah. but what else? is this a criticism, a compliment, I don't know how to take it. Should I have the build taken down?
  66. 2015/02/17 05:13:27 202488829 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: this is just discussing what can be changed to improve it
  67. 2015/02/17 05:13:34 202495787 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: at random and chilling
  68. 2015/02/17 05:13:43 202504211 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: or do you need to tend the chickens
  69. 2015/02/17 05:14:22 202543820 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I like building on a budget and I like the premise of the build
  70. 2015/02/17 05:14:47 202568203 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: that's all I brought with me to this conversation
  71. 2015/02/17 05:15:31 202612132 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Cheers. But I think you're suggesting your own variant, which I appreciate. What I'm asking is, am I making an idiot of myself? I don't really pay attention to the current popular builds, so has this been done?
  72. 2015/02/17 05:16:34 202675313 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: it _probably_ has been done, and better, you're not making an idiot of yourself per se but you make choices that are straight up subpar
  73. 2015/02/17 05:16:50 202691443 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: and that will anger some people, I'm sure
  74. 2015/02/17 05:16:58 202699602 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: crit or shit and all the like
  75. 2015/02/17 05:17:26 202727308 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: also I clicked expecting machine gunning fireballs : |
  76. 2015/02/17 05:17:42 202742986 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: That's not what the title says.
  77. 2015/02/17 05:17:45 202746777 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: why would you expect that?
  78. 2015/02/17 05:18:13 202774030 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: because I'm not a native speaker and rail gun equated to machine gun
  79. 2015/02/17 05:18:16 202776994 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I don't really care about angering people. if they can do it and better, that's cool. but if it's been done and better, I'd like to know.
  80. 2015/02/17 05:18:21 202782174 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: okay. They're very different.
  81. 2015/02/17 05:18:28 202789833 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: yeah, I know
  82. 2015/02/17 05:18:30 202791144 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: rail gun is a slow firing, piercing weapon.
  83. 2015/02/17 05:18:42 202803124 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: do I need to add that to the guide? I should.
  84. 2015/02/17 05:19:30 202851656 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I don't get the projectile speed thing
  85. 2015/02/17 05:19:35 202856836 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: why is it important
  86. 2015/02/17 05:19:48 202869659 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: outside flavour because it's a rail gun
  87. 2015/02/17 05:20:05 202886523 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I place flavour very high on the list of priorities.
  88. 2015/02/17 05:20:20 202901467 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: so it doesn't serve any practical purpose?
  89. 2015/02/17 05:21:21 202962277 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I mean it looks pretty cool
  90. 2015/02/17 05:21:24 202965662 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I guess
  91. 2015/02/17 05:21:28 202969250 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Think about it for a moment. Projectile speed means reduced time between casting and damage deliverance. A normal fireball is way too slow. Enemies can physically dodge those. A super fast one stops being a dodgable projectile and becomes a ray.
  92. 2015/02/17 05:21:37 202978048 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I explained this in the guide, but I might need to be clearer.
  93. 2015/02/17 05:21:55 202996847 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I never felt it was too slow
  94. 2015/02/17 05:22:14 203015535 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I think most projectiles (except the snail that is Ball Lightning) in this game are pretty fast
  95. 2015/02/17 05:22:31 203032072 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Then 250% increased speed is REALLY fast, isn't it? :)
  96. 2015/02/17 05:22:45 203046876 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: yeah
  97. 2015/02/17 05:23:07 203068935 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I think the cast time increase makes the projectile speed that much more noticeable
  98. 2015/02/17 05:23:23 203084176 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Probably. Doedre's Tenure never gets much love.
  99. 2015/02/17 05:23:31 203092865 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I have a perfect pair somewhere
  100. 2015/02/17 05:23:35 203096656 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: So I switched cast speed for projectile speed.
  101. 2015/02/17 05:23:43 203104908 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: again, rail gun like.
  102. 2015/02/17 05:23:51 203112412 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: yeah that's neat
  103. 2015/02/17 05:23:56 203117498 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I like the effect
  104. 2015/02/17 05:24:19 203139977 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: what's your dps when you use a single fireball
  105. 2015/02/17 05:24:57 203178588 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: do you know off the top of your head
  106. 2015/02/17 05:25:46 203227073 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: actually I only really need the fire damage brackets
  107. 2015/02/17 05:27:30 203331937 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Eh, about 4k listed, before the increased damage against ignited. I think. It's only a level 16 fireball, sadly.
  108. 2015/02/17 05:27:44 203345072 22d [INFO Client 5560] IgnisAeternam: what's the cast time on it?
  109. 2015/02/17 05:27:50 203351530 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: what's the cast time on it?
  110. 2015/02/17 05:27:53 203354650 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: keeping in mind I want to stay below the reflect-as-threat threshold.
  111. 2015/02/17 05:27:57 203358706 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: or how many fire balls per second
  112. 2015/02/17 05:28:24 203385164 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I want to run some math on it, see what I can come up with
  113. 2015/02/17 05:28:33 203394836 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Not sure. The doedre's would slow it down. Go stick a fireball in a doedre's. :P
  114. 2015/02/17 05:29:05 203426177 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I've been looking for something interesting to fuel with raw money : |
  115. 2015/02/17 05:29:09 203430108 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I have the tree on the build guide, so you can see how much ICR I have there. Probably not much more than Haste.
  116. 2015/02/17 05:29:16 203437066 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: er, coordination.
  117. 2015/02/17 05:29:46 203467673 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: "Bitches love statistics" - Ghandi
  118. 2015/02/17 05:29:48 203469140 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: raw money? This isn't about that. I mean, get a 6L and sure, the build gets a lot better. But it relies on pretty cheap uniques.
  119. 2015/02/17 05:29:53 203474038 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: yes, I'm sure.
  120. 2015/02/17 05:30:08 203489810 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I know, but I want to find something I like
  121. 2015/02/17 05:30:14 203495878 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: and scale it to a retarded level
  122. 2015/02/17 05:30:20 203501869 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: good sort of retarded
  123. 2015/02/17 05:30:31 203512149 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I'm on a quest : |
  124. 2015/02/17 05:30:33 203514302 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I don't think this is that.
  125. 2015/02/17 05:30:41 203522632 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: you never know
  126. 2015/02/17 05:30:52 203533646 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: happy to see what you can do.
  127. 2015/02/17 05:31:15 203556828 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: My theory crafting friends have vanished in the shadow of act 4
  128. 2015/02/17 05:31:34 203575485 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I don't have my engineer buddy to run the perfect numbers but I can probably come up with something good
  129. 2015/02/17 05:31:49 203590040 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: (modifiers are mean beasts)
  130. 2015/02/17 05:33:58 203719849 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: oh, also, karui ward rocks
  131. 2015/02/17 05:34:19 203740066 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: It does.
  132. 2015/02/17 05:34:46 203767694 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: do you choose to be 'disconnected' from the meta
  133. 2015/02/17 05:34:58 203778989 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I mean, you must
  134. 2015/02/17 05:35:00 203781859 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Yeah.
  135. 2015/02/17 05:35:09 203790580 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I don't need in-game power.
  136. 2015/02/17 05:35:13 203793996 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I just have fun.
  137. 2015/02/17 05:35:27 203808379 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: That's a neat position to be in
  138. 2015/02/17 05:35:29 203810485 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: but I don't believe the metagame dictates botw.
  139. 2015/02/17 05:35:37 203817958 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: knowledge can be a curse in this game
  140. 2015/02/17 05:35:39 203820641 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: the word Chris uses is 'interesting'. I can do interesting.
  141. 2015/02/17 05:35:50 203831046 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Heh, I have knowledge of other kinds. And yes.
  142. 2015/02/17 05:36:03 203844572 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I've been piling up currency
  143. 2015/02/17 05:36:19 203860686 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: and I have no goal
  144. 2015/02/17 05:36:26 203867114 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Yes, a common situation.
  145. 2015/02/17 05:36:45 203886489 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: you want to take my basic idea(s) and fund them. Basically.
  146. 2015/02/17 05:36:57 203898938 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I suppose you can put it that way
  147. 2015/02/17 05:37:13 203914132 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: A friend is trying to roll me a 6L Infernal Mantle with the right colours. I didn't ask him to, but he's extremely rich in Standard as well.
  148. 2015/02/17 05:37:28 203929389 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I 6Ld one a while ago but I sold it
  149. 2015/02/17 05:37:42 203943913 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I tried crit flame totems blood magic
  150. 2015/02/17 05:37:43 203944287 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: My belief is if something can work on a budget, it's more valuable and worthy than something that cannot.
  151. 2015/02/17 05:37:52 203953866 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Well
  152. 2015/02/17 05:37:56 203957469 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Because you can only go up from there.
  153. 2015/02/17 05:38:00 203961245 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I don't know if I can agree with that
  154. 2015/02/17 05:38:08 203969809 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: You don't have to. A lot of players wouldn't.
  155. 2015/02/17 05:38:16 203977422 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Low life builds
  156. 2015/02/17 05:38:24 203985035 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I have no respect for those.
  157. 2015/02/17 05:38:26 203987484 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I mean you can argue that you can use the same skill
  158. 2015/02/17 05:38:35 203996860 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: and it's just a way to scale them stupidly
  159. 2015/02/17 05:38:43 204004566 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: but really it's the enabling mechanism
  160. 2015/02/17 05:38:44 204005019 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: They're a bad idea and GGG made a mistake in allowing low life to be a sustainable state rather than a dangerous gamble.
  161. 2015/02/17 05:38:56 204017857 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: turn all shavs into loricas
  162. 2015/02/17 05:39:11 204032256 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: and watch the bodies drop : |
  163. 2015/02/17 05:39:37 204058621 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: can you put a number on your build
  164. 2015/02/17 05:39:42 204063503 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: The next patch needs to change a lot of things to get this game back on course, and back into GGG's hands.
  165. 2015/02/17 05:39:47 204068511 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: eh?
  166. 2015/02/17 05:39:52 204073643 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: what's my price ceiling on this
  167. 2015/02/17 05:40:15 204095952 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: There isn't one. I created the foundation. That's the important bit. Anyone building on that can do whatever they want. :)
  168. 2015/02/17 05:40:34 204115670 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: But how much did you spend, so I can dabble around and see how much I can get within that budget
  169. 2015/02/17 05:41:01 204142128 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I own too many _, I like them too much to ever vendor them : |
  170. 2015/02/17 05:41:43 204184233 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: so that's already a staple for what I'm making, to keep it budget
  171. 2015/02/17 05:42:10 204211002 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: this is a complete tangent and my own devices
  172. 2015/02/17 05:43:53 204314306 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: how much did I spend? Like maybe 10c? I 5s and 5led the mantle myself, got rather lucky with that. The fireball I bought cheap and then used some gcps lying around to bump. I don't know really. Some was from my stash, some from poe trade. The 1c items were gifts, but I figure that counts.
  173. 2015/02/17 05:44:24 204345818 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: can I assume market price of 1ex on the IM
  174. 2015/02/17 05:44:29 204350498 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: let's assume the 5l mantle was 150 fusings and, oh, 40-50 chromatic to get that unusual colour combination. I guess.
  175. 2015/02/17 05:44:39 204360748 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I guess. I dunno. Like I said, I made it.
  176. 2015/02/17 05:44:54 204375131 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: alright, I have something in mind
  177. 2015/02/17 05:45:30 204411448 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Mind me adding you? To move around characters
  178. 2015/02/17 05:46:19 204459995 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I guess there are buttons that answer that question
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  180. 2015/02/17 05:50:55 204735961 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: added, obviously. :)
  181. 2015/02/17 05:51:06 204747256 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: neat
  182. 2015/02/17 05:51:15 204756491 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: My stuff is all over the place
  183. 2015/02/17 05:51:25 204766069 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I murdered too many skill trees with my science
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  185. 2015/02/17 05:51:39 204779954 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: sorry if I seemed hostile at first. I never know where people are coming from when they talk about my build style.
  186. 2015/02/17 05:51:48 204789672 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: to be fair
  187. 2015/02/17 05:52:02 204803135 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I don't know what to think of someone so peculiar
  188. 2015/02/17 05:52:22 204823415 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: so it's fair enough that you react that way
  189. 2015/02/17 05:52:23 204824398 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I have been called worse, but I'll point out that in native english, some might take that as an insult.
  190. 2015/02/17 05:52:30 204831730 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I'm quirky.
  191. 2015/02/17 05:53:06 204867470 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: _
  192. 2015/02/17 05:53:19 204880231 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: That has been the first thought provoking drop in a long time
  193. 2015/02/17 05:53:25 204886580 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Thought I'd share
  194. 2015/02/17 05:53:57 204918623 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: the one and only low lifer I played was an arc marauder using crown of thorns. He'd use Doon for sure, but that was before the Arc buff.
  195. 2015/02/17 05:54:12 204933178 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: low life marauder
  196. 2015/02/17 05:54:17 204938575 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: with the keystone?
  197. 2015/02/17 05:54:23 204944503 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I can see that working
  198. 2015/02/17 05:54:49 204969947 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: You'd need a really high level to get enough energy shield
  199. 2015/02/17 05:55:04 204985126 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: I've thought of the same thing using Malachai's Simula
  200. 2015/02/17 05:55:23 205004845 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Actually energy shield wasn't the thing. I used panicked flasks for instant healing. And arc, well, distance. Anyway, that's in the past.
  201. 2015/02/17 05:55:37 205018027 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: but yes, blood magic.
  202. 2015/02/17 05:55:39 205020491 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: that's pretty funny
  203. 2015/02/17 05:55:54 205035452 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: the whole 'low life gamble'
  204.  
  205. 2015/02/17 05:56:46 205087307 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: if it's not a gamble, I'm not interested. the reason I did it was pain attunement was the only way to give Arc the necessary punch back then.
  206. 2015/02/17 05:57:06 205107805 22d [INFO Client 5560] @Charan: Malachai's simula has a dumb amount of lightning damage
  207. 2015/02/17 05:57:26 205127118 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: The increased mana (life) cost wasn't worth it.
  208. 2015/02/17 05:57:34 205135464 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: remember: budget. All my builds. Budget.
  209.  
  210. 2015/02/17 05:58:01 205162062 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: I mean the mask as an alternative to pain attunement
  211.  
  212. 2015/02/17 05:59:25 205246490 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: any strong opinions on elemental proliferation?
  213.  
  214. 2015/02/17 06:00:32 205313867 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: Messy. I tried it. Just don't have the slots. If I had a 5th support, it wouldn't be EProlif. It'd be crit damage if blue, GMP if green.
  215. 2015/02/17 06:00:50 205331308 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: This char uses prolif because he uses flame surge. But Retribution is precision. No prolif.
  216.  
  217. 2015/02/17 06:02:27 205428840 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: there's a problem
  218. 2015/02/17 06:02:38 205439697 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: if you get botw, there's not rail gun mtx for bows
  219.  
  220. 2015/02/17 06:06:44 205685867 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: No, but it's more like a fiery ray of judgment. I like how the Shadow uses his palm to cast it when he's wielding a bow.
  221. 2015/02/17 06:06:56 205697863 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: I was thinking about that
  222. 2015/02/17 06:06:59 205700110 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: for the templar
  223. 2015/02/17 06:07:02 205703604 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: Maybe they all do it
  224.  
  225. 2015/02/17 06:09:26 205847016 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: No, it's quite...varies. The Marauder does it with a two handed sword, the Shadow does not. it seems there are about three casting animations per. Targeted, non targeted, self. Or something.
  226. 2015/02/17 06:09:30 205851368 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: varied, rather
  227.  
  228. 2015/02/17 06:09:42 205863412 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: either way, it works well with quill rain.
  229.  
  230. 2015/02/17 06:10:00 205880993 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: .99 secs for a fireball btw.
  231.  
  232. 2015/02/17 06:10:12 205893676 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: .7 with FC gem
  233.  
  234. 2015/02/17 06:10:31 205912146 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: and the tooltip is 4K?
  235.  
  236. 2015/02/17 06:11:00 205941880 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: well this one's 4.3k, but it's not the quality fireball. It's level 17 in an IM. so 18 functionally.
  237.  
  238. 2015/02/17 06:11:40 205981879 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: I'm trying it out on my flameblaster
  239. 2015/02/17 06:11:51 205992003 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: with a 16/20 fireball
  240. 2015/02/17 06:12:20 206021628 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: what I find is that I commit too much to firing one off and if it misses the monsters get to me
  241.  
  242. 2015/02/17 06:13:00 206061939 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: Now you're seeing why projectile speed is so important, perhaps.
  243.  
  244. 2015/02/17 06:13:18 206079598 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: I fire as soon as I see them
  245. 2015/02/17 06:13:26 206087226 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: but it takes too long to 'reload'
  246.  
  247. 2015/02/17 06:13:53 206114558 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: switch tenure for something like maligaro's or voidbringer.
  248.  
  249. 2015/02/17 06:14:41 206162076 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: have you ever used explosive arrow
  250.  
  251. 2015/02/17 06:16:24 206265676 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: I've mucked around with it. Don't like the time bomb style.
  252.  
  253. 2015/02/17 06:23:48 206709795 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: anyway
  254. 2015/02/17 06:23:53 206714304 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: I'm off for the night
  255. 2015/02/17 06:23:59 206720232 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: later!
  256. 2015/02/17 06:24:03 206724163 22d [INFO Client 5560] @CelestialRetribution: going to sleep on the rail gun
  257.  
  258. 2015/02/17 22:06:35 263276038 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: yesterday I had to leave hastily because the sound of a door opening at 7AM when you're a teenager
  259. 2015/02/17 22:06:37 263278051 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: isn't the best
  260. 2015/02/17 22:06:43 263284759 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: but I should clear up something else too
  261. 2015/02/17 22:07:01 263302215 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: I have no trouble with english, I just didn't remember what a rail gun is : |
  262. 2015/02/17 22:07:04 263305164 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: You don't have to explain your comings and goings to me. It's the net. :)
  263.  
  264. 2015/02/17 22:07:11 263312184 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: I like to
  265. 2015/02/17 22:07:16 263317613 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: providing context
  266. 2015/02/17 22:07:18 263319422 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: as you wish.
  267. 2015/02/17 22:07:18 263319469 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: is fun
  268.  
  269. 2015/02/17 22:07:28 263329422 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: regardless, I thought of something
  270.  
  271. 2015/02/17 22:07:36 263337518 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: I come and go without explanation. That's just how I am now. I used to explain, but eh. It's just a game. Go on.
  272.  
  273. 2015/02/17 22:07:45 263346301 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: ice spear
  274.  
  275. 2015/02/17 22:07:56 263357299 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: gets projectile speed from quality and has a higher critical strike chance
  276.  
  277. 2015/02/17 22:08:05 263365989 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: the base speed also seems higher
  278.  
  279. 2015/02/17 22:08:16 263377611 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: with herald of ice you can trigger a chain reaction
  280. 2015/02/17 22:08:21 263382041 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: That's true, and I did consider it. I think it's a good variant.
  281.  
  282. 2015/02/17 22:08:52 263413881 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: But I think fireball (which looks crap now) looks better as a ray than ice spear. I'd like to see someone do an ice spear variant.
  283.  
  284. 2015/02/17 22:09:17 263438326 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: levelling something else at the moment or I would try
  285. 2015/02/17 22:09:29 263450089 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: I got legacy kaom's heart earlier, so I'm going to try some stuff
  286. 2015/02/17 22:09:30 263451259 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: Also, I find ice spear with herald of ice would be too spammy for my likes. I like how...visually economical my build is.
  287.  
  288. 2015/02/17 22:09:49 263470182 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: I only like the herald of ash effect
  289.  
  290. 2015/02/17 22:10:12 263493005 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: point being, each variant you offer, while likely superior mechanically, is visually less pleasing to me.
  291. 2015/02/17 22:10:14 263495906 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: but yeah, mechanically, it's a great combination
  292.  
  293. 2015/02/17 22:10:31 263512193 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: I haven't tried the ice spear effect though
  294. 2015/02/17 22:10:33 263514892 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: that might change it up
  295.  
  296. 2015/02/17 22:10:43 263524345 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: The fish? Perhaps. I will try it.
  297. 20
  298. 2015/02/17 22:12:09 263610317 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: and since you have so much projectile speed, I think the spear gets second form faster
  299. 2015/02/17 22:12:24 263625824 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: No, it'd be later.
  300.  
  301. 2015/02/17 22:12:41 263642095 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Charan: it's time based?
  302.  
  303. 2015/02/17 22:13:02 263663717 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: correct. I tested it with faster projectiles a while back.
  304.  
  305. 2015/02/17 22:17:18 263919449 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: well it works. Hm.
  306.  
  307. 2015/02/17 22:17:34 263935377 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: to be honest
  308.  
  309. 2015/02/17 22:17:43 263944191 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: herald of ash should work with spells
  310.  
  311. 2015/02/17 22:17:51 263952116 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: It does.
  312. 2015/02/17 22:17:55 263956655 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: but
  313.  
  314. 2015/02/17 22:17:59 263960415 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: the overkill effect
  315.  
  316. 2015/02/17 22:18:04 263965532 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: herald of ash only kicks in with physical kills.
  317.  
  318. 2015/02/17 22:18:13 263974939 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: There's usually a reason why I'm not using something.
  319. 2015/02/17 22:18:15 263976623 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Don't think so
  320.  
  321. 2015/02/17 22:18:24 263985266 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: absolutely so.
  322. 2015/02/17 22:18:28 263989259 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: it adds damage to spells
  323. 2015/02/17 22:18:29 263990710 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I know that
  324. 2015/02/17 22:18:36 263997215 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: sure, but the overkill? physical only.
  325. 2015/02/17 22:18:38 263999025 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: but the overkill effect is specific to attacks
  326. 2015/02/17 22:18:41 264002753 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: not to pysical damage
  327. 2015/02/17 22:18:45 264006482 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: physical*
  328. 2015/02/17 22:18:58 264019742 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: 'If you kill an enemy with an attack, other enemies near them will be ignited for the overkill damage.'
  329.  
  330. 2015/02/17 22:19:17 264038197 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: ah, of course. that's why it works with my sword.
  331. 2015/02/17 22:19:20 264041208 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: otherwise EK would get the overkill effect, and I know it doesnt
  332. 2015/02/17 22:19:21 264042222 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: either way, pointless here.
  333.  
  334. 2015/02/17 22:19:27 264048743 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Yeah, it's just unfortunate
  335.  
  336. 2015/02/17 22:19:41 264062564 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I don't think so. Balance is good.
  337.  
  338. 2015/02/17 22:20:00 264081893 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I don't think like a player, btw. I think like a tester. My concern is the health of the game, not my character's power.
  339.  
  340. 2015/02/17 22:20:07 264088710 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: you can't scale the overkill higher than the initial hit
  341.  
  342. 2015/02/17 22:20:16 264097586 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: so prolif would always be better
  343.  
  344. 2015/02/17 22:20:26 264107305 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: raw burn wise
  345.  
  346. 2015/02/17 22:20:32 264113140 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: read: flameblast
  347.  
  348. 2015/02/17 22:21:13 264154028 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: ice spear doesn't change form at all really.
  349. 2015/02/17 22:21:14 264155104 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: What I mean is, it wouldnt make anything unbalanced since proliferation is straight up better, but HoA would provide more variety for sure
  350. 2015/02/17 22:21:37 264178161 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: ice spear not changing doesn't sound good
  351.  
  352. 2015/02/17 22:26:05 264446467 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: yeah, definitely not changing form until almost off-screen.
  353.  
  354. 2015/02/17 22:26:22 264462972 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: but that's okay, fireball doesn't explode anymore. So it might be a similar trade off.
  355. 2015/02/17 22:26:40 264481926 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: need to find a sweet spot in the proj speed numbers
  356. 2015/02/17 22:26:58 264499305 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: again, variant. lost projectile speed=not my build anymore.
  357.  
  358. 2015/02/17 22:29:23 264644354 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I suppose that's true for any change I could make, almost
  359.  
  360. 2015/02/17 22:29:44 264665758 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: yep. My basic build was faster projectiles, full piercing spells.
  361.  
  362. 2015/02/17 22:29:50 264671655 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: this is nice though.
  363.  
  364. 2015/02/17 22:30:08 264689423 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: but to really see it working we'd need proper gear and spec.
  365. 2015/02/17 22:30:21 264702558 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Yeah, the combination with herald of ice should make it have a lot more AoE possibilities
  366. 2015/02/17 22:30:46 264727721 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I was thinking of possible combinations with 3 dragons and the such
  367. 2015/02/17 22:30:51 264732573 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: but nothing really comes to mind
  368. 2015/02/17 22:30:59 264740935 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: do not mention three dragons to me.
  369.  
  370. 2015/02/17 22:31:05 264746878 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: that item is fucking stupid.
  371.  
  372. 2015/02/17 22:31:10 264751652 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: ha
  373.  
  374. 2015/02/17 22:31:15 264756207 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: how come
  375.  
  376. 2015/02/17 22:33:11 264872319 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: it opens up a lot of possibilities, there's some abuse cases with fire spells
  377.  
  378. 2015/02/17 22:33:35 264896468 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: precisely.
  379.  
  380. 2015/02/17 22:33:54 264915640 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: shock doesn't stack anymore
  381. 2015/02/17 22:34:04 264925609 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: So in a way, it's not as bad
  382.  
  383. 2015/02/17 22:34:12 264933861 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I'll block you if you don't stop. First and last warning.
  384.  
  385. 2015/02/17 22:34:18 264939368 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: wow okay
  386.  
  387. 2015/02/17 22:34:35 264956544 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I'd really like to see a proper ice spec ice spear railgun.
  388. 2015/02/17 22:34:44 264965872 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: this is working really well, even with my fear gear and passives
  389. 2015/02/17 22:36:53 265094324 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: high crit chance and herald explosions go a long way
  390. 2015/02/17 22:37:42 265143932 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Crap, I'm playing naked marauder and picked up _ a while ago and didn't notice
  391.  
  392. 2015/02/17 22:37:53 265154056 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I wonder if it's more obvious with ice spear, and has already been done. Hm.
  393.  
  394. 2015/02/17 22:38:09 265169953 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: seen it with cold snap
  395.  
  396. 2015/02/17 22:38:25 265186021 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: cold snap can't pierce or move faster. it's not a projectile.
  397. 2015/02/17 22:38:37 265198673 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: i know but it has been combined with hoi
  398. 2015/02/17 22:38:47 265208641 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: not what I was talking about.
  399. 2015/02/17 22:39:01 265222791 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I don't think much has ever been done with piercing spells
  400.  
  401. 2015/02/17 22:42:39 265440786 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Thanks a lot for your input. I'm going to do an ice spear with herald of ice. I'd contemplated it but for whatever reason dismissed it. It's far too effective not to.
  402. 2015/02/17 22:42:56 265457775 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: asked GGG to delete my post. :)
  403. 2015/02/17 22:42:59 265460364 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: glad to hear
  404. 2015/02/17 22:43:17 265478539 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I'm throwing something together quickly
  405.  
  406. 2015/02/17 22:47:36 265737625 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: I think
  407. 2015/02/17 22:47:50 265751930 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: your ice spear is so fast that you didn't notice the 1st form
  408. 2015/02/17 22:47:51 265752586 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: lol
  409. 2015/02/17 22:48:22 265783521 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: because I just tried it out and it instantly transforms
  410. 2015/02/17 22:48:29 265790478 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: I took a bunch of screenshots. It remains in first form for longer, for sure. But it doesn't matter, because that first form is still deadly. Second form wrecks off-screeners.
  411. 2015/02/17 22:48:33 265794097 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: odd.
  412. 2015/02/17 22:48:36 265797701 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: oh well.
  413. 2015/02/17 22:48:47 265808215 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: either way. Even on my fire spec, fire geared character, it was better than fireball.
  414. 2015/02/17 22:48:54 265815860 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: 20/20 ice spear vs 20/20 fireball.
  415. 2015/02/17 22:48:59 265820072 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: it has a stupid critical strike chance
  416. 2015/02/17 22:49:02 265823535 22d [INFO Client 1720] @Vachaelle: brb. Need to delete this char.
  417. 2015/02/17 22:49:52 265873907 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: Why are your characters not levelled high
  418. 2015/02/17 22:50:02 265883548 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: People take pot-shots at that
  419. 2015/02/17 22:50:06 265886980 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: I start over a lot when I get a new idea.
  420. 2015/02/17 22:50:11 265892160 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: Do you think I care? :)
  421. 2015/02/17 22:50:14 265895358 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: Nope
  422. 2015/02/17 22:50:23 265904624 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: I did the same but now I'm full on slots
  423. 2015/02/17 22:50:44 265925544 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: I meant the pot shots. People always take pot shots. They're flies buzzing around a sleeping dog.
  424. 2015/02/17 22:51:05 265946854 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: I know, I don't think you care about them
  425. 2015/02/17 22:51:08 265949584 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: I only get concerned when someone I respect takes pot shots. And that doesn't happen often.
  426. 2015/02/17 22:51:23 265964232 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: Yeah, that's worth being worried over
  427. 2015/02/17 22:51:30 265971455 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: In your case, you've completely destroyed an idea of mine but you've replaced it with something better. I really respect and appreciate that.
  428. 2015/02/17 22:51:35 265976743 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: regardless, I find pushing an idea to the limit is often fun
  429. 2015/02/17 22:51:41 265982703 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: but you had to prove to me thoroughly why my idea was bad. :)
  430. 2015/02/17 22:51:56 265997523 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: that's cool. Not my style. I'm just here to have fun. I think I said that earlier.
  431. 2015/02/17 22:52:11 266012015 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: checking which chars have respecs.
  432.  
  433. 2015/02/17 23:11:32 267174893 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: thread/1191386 that's what I pushed really far, with some corruptions, it worked out nicely
  434. 2015/02/17 23:11:42 267184815 22d [INFO Client 1720] @DeRigueurMortars: that's what I was about to say
  435. 2015/02/17 23:11:54 267196780 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I think I can do this with about 12-15 regrets. No need to start over.
  436. 2015/02/17 23:12:11 267213145 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I was testing on this witch
  437. 2015/02/17 23:12:16 267218917 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: for reasons, she has blood magic
  438. 2015/02/17 23:13:03 267265202 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: any other items I should know about that you don't like
  439. 2015/02/17 23:13:41 267303438 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Not a fan of shavronne's wrapping or soul taker.
  440. 2015/02/17 23:14:01 267323609 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: soul taker is too fun for me to dislike it
  441. 2015/02/17 23:14:17 267340036 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: _
  442. 2015/02/17 23:14:31 267353421 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: going to see what mileage I get with power charges
  443.  
  444. 2015/02/17 23:14:43 267365995 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I argued with the designer of Soul taker for an hour why it's bad. As for Voll's, that's cool. Yeah, worth considering.
  445. 2015/02/17 23:16:06 267448738 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: at any rate, I prefer having soul taker in the game rather than acuity
  446. 2015/02/17 23:16:15 267458004 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: both are infinite resources
  447. 2015/02/17 23:16:18 267460906 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: oh yes. That was another mistake.
  448. 2015/02/17 23:16:34 267476755 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: acuity is like ST for crit
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  451. 2015/02/17 23:20:08 267690430 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: _ I knew this would be useful some day
  452. 2015/02/17 23:20:32 267714423 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I love that item. Also, quality ice spear gets projectile speed. I'm at 318% speed, using pyre. This is pretty funny.
  453. 2015/02/17 23:20:48 267730366 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: pyre loses the aoe from HoI
  454. 2015/02/17 23:20:52 267734485 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: but it's funny
  455. 2015/02/17 23:20:58 267740132 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: I like how they explode instead
  456. 2015/02/17 23:21:13 267755576 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: it's worth it for the extra spell damage.
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  458. 2015/02/17 23:21:40 267782299 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: possibly, for single target
  459. 2015/02/17 23:21:50 267792891 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: I linked increased AoE to HoI and it makes a large difference
  460.  
  461. 2015/02/17 23:25:02 267984195 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: I don't know if you checked the thread I mentioned earlier, but it's all my own design
  462. 2015/02/17 23:25:15 267997315 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I did not. what was the number again?
  463. 2015/02/17 23:25:22 268004429 22d [INFO Client 1720] @AfraenAngelflay: 1191386
  464. 2015/02/17 23:26:01 268043507 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: you try way too hard.
  465. 2015/02/17 23:26:12 268054349 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: huh
  466. 2015/02/17 23:26:47 268089777 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I wanted to make something I would like
  467. 2015/02/17 23:27:03 268105689 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: for a build I had fun with
  468. 2015/02/17 23:27:15 268117795 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: the guide. Overdone imo. Flashy. I guess that's what people need these days. Also, tornado shot's headed for some serious reality check. I'm glad you enjoy it.
  469. 2015/02/17 23:27:28 268130790 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: It can be played as rain of arrows
  470. 2015/02/17 23:27:31 268133676 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: or split arrow
  471. 2015/02/17 23:27:41 268143348 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: TS is too powerful to pass up ATM
  472. 2015/02/17 23:28:12 268174173 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: It might be a little flashy but I'm a sucker for aesthetics
  473. 2015/02/17 23:29:36 268258133 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: as a lot of people are. perhaps I should try that with my botw submission, but quite frankly, I've decided I'm entirely too devoted to just having fun to get botw.
  474. 2015/02/17 23:30:30 268312531 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: GGG's tendency is to pick mechanically solid builds, no real wiggle room for them to fail
  475. 2015/02/17 23:30:48 268330440 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I can only remember one video of a really end game character
  476. 2015/02/17 23:30:52 268335042 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: the dual EK low life totem
  477. 2015/02/17 23:31:05 268347381 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: low life dual EK totem, that order of words makes more sense
  478. 2015/02/17 23:32:18 268421045 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I guess the vaal molten shell scold's build was pretty whacky too
  479.  
  480. 2015/02/17 23:36:57 268699850 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: that was an ignore check : |
  481. 2015/02/17 23:37:14 268716183 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: it's unfortunate but true, it's not really about interesting builds
  482. 2015/02/17 23:37:15 268717712 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: wow, people do that? interesting. if I block you, I'll let you know.
  483.  
  484. 2015/02/17 23:37:24 268726667 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: neat
  485.  
  486.  
  487. 2015/02/17 23:38:09 268771096 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I never know
  488.  
  489. 2015/02/17 23:38:14 268776134 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: how you're going to take things
  490.  
  491. 2015/02/17 23:38:27 268789675 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: so I decided I'd check
  492.  
  493. 2015/02/17 23:38:57 268819940 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: PoE is full of autistic-like people who are all about math and stats and min/max. I have no time for people like that. They bore me.
  494. 2015/02/17 23:39:06 268828956 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I did just open
  495. 2015/02/17 23:39:21 268843184 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: why autistic-like, everyone wants to play fotm in every game
  496.  
  497. 2015/02/17 23:40:28 268910311 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: not everyone.
  498.  
  499. 2015/02/17 23:40:36 268918127 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: practically everyone
  500.  
  501. 2015/02/17 23:41:00 268942759 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: maybe since poe has so many possibilities, you'd expect there to be more acceptance of variety
  502. 2015/02/17 23:41:03 268945817 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: No. And as long as there are a few people who don't, I'll be fine. I used to run one of the biggest guilds on here, full of people who don't care for fotm.
  503.  
  504. 2015/02/17 23:41:24 268966409 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: no, not since the Kripparrian effect. We got flooded with idiots and sheep.
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  506. 2015/02/17 23:41:55 268997609 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: the problem I have
  507.  
  508. 2015/02/17 23:42:09 269011758 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: is that my fun is tied to efficiency
  509.  
  510. 2015/02/17 23:42:23 269025814 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I've been spoiled
  511.  
  512. 2015/02/17 23:42:48 269050759 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Kripp made brutally efficient builds
  513.  
  514. 2015/02/17 23:43:09 269071975 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: and got popular, that's the 2 ingredients for reducing variety
  515.  
  516. 2015/02/17 23:43:34 269096873 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: it's sort of bound to happen in every game
  517.  
  518. 2015/02/17 23:45:55 269237414 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: the crowd is fluid, and just like water, will take the path of least resistance
  519.  
  520. 2015/02/18 00:03:24 270286287 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Not every game, but most I suppose. I think GGG could have prevented this by not whoring themselves to a free to play community.
  521.  
  522. 2015/02/18 00:04:00 270322666 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I have to collect my thoughts on this
  523.  
  524. 2015/02/18 00:04:21 270343118 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I'm only good at getting a feel for things
  525.  
  526. 2015/02/18 00:04:54 270376549 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I mean this in regard to the whole conversation
  527.  
  528. 2015/02/18 00:06:34 270476296 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I need to get a more concrete opinion and solid arguments
  529.  
  530. 2015/02/18 00:07:14 270516622 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: Also, I guess I'm sort of autistic, I like math and min maxing ;__;
  531.  
  532. 2015/02/18 00:07:37 270539273 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: This game attracts that sort. I feel we artistic ones are in the massive minority.
  533.  
  534. 2015/02/18 00:07:52 270554717 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: there's so many numbers to crunch
  535.  
  536. 2015/02/18 00:08:03 270565482 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: PoE is theorycrafting heaven
  537.  
  538. 2015/02/18 00:08:36 270598757 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: getting the highest numbers is in itself a game, to be honest
  539.  
  540. 2015/02/18 00:09:04 270627071 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I know plenty of people who think as you do. None of this is news to me. Nor is it particularly interesting.
  541.  
  542. 2015/02/18 00:09:23 270645136 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: I try to be mechanically creative
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  544. 2015/02/18 00:09:38 270660252 22d [INFO Client 1720] @CelestialRetribution: see above.
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