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  3. [man] This is Bill's new album.
  4.  
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  7. Is it your first album you've done?
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  11. Yeah, that was my first singing, period,
  12. anywhere.
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  16. I didn't sing before.
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  20. I-- I was into another thing altogether.
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  24. [David Frost]
  25. What did you do before you sang?
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  29. Well, I had been in the Navy
  30. for nine years,
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  34. and then I got out
  35. and I worked in aircraft.
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  39. I made toilets for 747 aircraft.
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  43. [audience laughing]
  44.  
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  47. One of the reasons I'm here is that...
  48.  
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  51. I met Clarence Avant.
  52.  
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  54. 00:00:35,326 --> 00:00:37,537
  55. I have a lot of respect for Clarence.
  56.  
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  58. 00:00:38,121 --> 00:00:40,790
  59. What he's done is a very unusual story.
  60.  
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  63. That's why we're sitting here talking.
  64.  
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  67. He puts people together.
  68.  
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  70. 00:00:45,628 --> 00:00:47,130
  71. And they do what they do.
  72.  
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  74. 00:00:47,922 --> 00:00:50,258
  75. How do you put together a life...
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  78. 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:53,178
  79. from knowing people?
  80.  
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  83. I've never seen him with a tool.
  84.  
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  86. 00:00:59,976 --> 00:01:01,102
  87. His tools...
  88.  
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  90. 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:02,937
  91. are his...
  92.  
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  95. you know, ability to...
  96.  
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  99. manipulate people.
  100.  
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  103. I don't mean that in a bad way,
  104. necessarily.
  105.  
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  108. And if he needs to do it in a bad way,
  109.  
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  112. he's probably good at that, too, you know?
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  116. ["Use Me" by Bill Withers playing]
  117.  
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  120. Meet Clarence Avant.
  121.  
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  124. Clarence's name kept coming up.
  125.  
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  128. Who is this guy
  129. that I keep hearing about?
  130.  
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  133. ♪ My friends... ♪
  134.  
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  137. His name would come up, Clarence Avant.
  138.  
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  141. Say Clarence Avant's name,
  142. and the doors open,
  143.  
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  146. and the seas part.
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  150. Oh, man. He was too fly.
  151. You understand me?
  152.  
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  155. He talked the talk, walked the walk,
  156. dressed the part. Played it, you know?
  157.  
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  160. ♪ Oh, you just keep on using me ♪
  161.  
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  164. ♪ Until you use me up...  ♪
  165.  
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  168. Clarence knew everyone.
  169.  
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  172. -Everybody.
  173. -Everybody.
  174.  
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  177. He's a celebrity's celebrity.
  178.  
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  181. ♪ My brother... ♪
  182.  
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  185. [man] Writers, with singers,
  186.  
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  189. with record companies,
  190. with business deals...
  191.  
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  194. He was just all over the place.
  195.  
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  198. He was in the mix.
  199.  
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  202. He finds a common ground
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  206. between people who are different.
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  210. This mysterious figure... 
  211.  
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  214. that everybody respected.
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  218. [Foxx] Like, a person from the street
  219. to the White House, he was known.
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  223. [President Obama]
  224. One of the things he understands
  225.  
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  228. is there are different kinds of power.
  229.  
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  232. There's the power
  233. that needs the spotlight,
  234.  
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  237. but there's also the power
  238. that comes from being behind the scenes.
  239.  
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  242. He wasn't there, but he was right there.
  243.  
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  246. ♪ If you only knew
  247. You'd wish that you were in my shoes ♪
  248.  
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  251. ♪ You just keep on using me... ♪
  252.  
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  255. Clarence Avant is a complete original.
  256.  
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  259. A badass and a legend.
  260.  
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  263. He's a very incisive thinker.
  264.  
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  267. A historian and a maker of history.
  268.  
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  271. That's who Clarence is.
  272.  
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  275. Clarence Avant,
  276.  
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  279. from a two-room schoolhouse
  280. in North Carolina
  281.  
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  284. to the boardrooms of Motown,
  285. and MGM, and everyplace.
  286.  
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  289. James Brown told me,
  290. "White folks just, you know, respect him.
  291.  
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  294. They scared of that nigga.
  295. Scared of him."
  296.  
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  299. ♪ Oh, you get in a crowd
  300. Of high class people... ♪
  301.  
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  304. [President Clinton]
  305. His advice, per word,
  306.  
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  309. is probably worth more
  310. than just about anybody I ever dealt with.
  311.  
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  314. You knew if you were making a deal
  315. with Clarence, there was something there.
  316.  
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  319. You always got the truth from Clarence.
  320. You got it straight. You got it quick.
  321.  
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  324. I don't know anybody else like Clarence.
  325.  
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  328. Clarence is the final word. [laughs]
  329.  
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  332. He became that mentor for us all.
  333.  
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  336. He became that godfather.
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  340. [man] The godfather.
  341.  
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  344. Clarence is the godfather.
  345.  
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  348. ♪ Oh, you just keep on using me ♪
  349.  
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  352. ♪ Until you use me up ♪
  353.  
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  356. [applause]
  357.  
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  360. I can't make speeches.
  361.  
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  364. That's not my-- That's not my life.
  365.  
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  368. I make deals.
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  372. [Avant] This is interesting.
  373.  
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  376. Absolutely no fucker's giving me
  377. a check...
  378.  
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  381. for doing this. I might say anything now.
  382.  
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  385. [interviewer] That's the goal.
  386.  
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  389. Well, no. Then I'm gonna--
  390. I'mma say I don't know anything.
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  394. [interviewer laughs]
  395.  
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  398. Mm-hm. Fortunately, there's other people
  399. who will tell us stories as well.
  400.  
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  403. You don't know anybody
  404. who can tell my story.
  405.  
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  408. Yeah, well, I don't know about that.
  409.  
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  412. Clarence is one of my favorite guys.
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  416. I think Clarence exemplifies...
  417.  
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  420. a certain...
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  424. ...cool,
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  428. a certain level of street smarts
  429. and savvy...
  430.  
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  433. that allowed him to move
  434. into worlds that...
  435.  
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  438. nobody had prepared him for
  439.  
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  442. and say, "I can figure this out."
  443.  
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  446. Do you remember the first time
  447. someone ever said you're the godfather?
  448.  
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  451. People call me that.
  452. People can call me anything.
  453.  
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  456. People have called me a son of a bitch,
  457. so what? That's part of life.
  458.  
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  461. [swing music plays]
  462.  
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  465. I was managing a club
  466. in Newark, New Jersey.
  467.  
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  470. Teddy Powell's Lounge.
  471.  
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  473. 00:05:26,159 --> 00:05:28,202
  474. Teddy was a concert promoter.
  475.  
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  478. He had Sam Cooke and Jackie Wilson,
  479. people like that.
  480.  
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  483. [woman] Teddy Powell was a legend.
  484.  
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  487. So these legends--
  488. He was like a sponge.
  489.  
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  491. 00:05:36,919 --> 00:05:39,797
  492. He absorbed the best of everybody he saw.
  493.  
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  496. [Avant] I was in my 20s, I guess.
  497.  
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  500. So, Joseph G. Glaser came in one day,
  501.  
  502. 117
  503. 00:05:46,137 --> 00:05:48,848
  504. and he owned a company
  505. called Associated Booking.
  506.  
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  509. He represented Dinah Washington.
  510.  
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  513. And Dinah was rough.
  514.  
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  517. So Mr. Glaser heard me argue with her,
  518.  
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  521. and he was laughing, so...
  522.  
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  525. And he wanted me to be an agent.
  526.  
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  528. 00:06:03,321 --> 00:06:06,449
  529. He said, "You're a great salesman."
  530. What did I want to be an agent for?
  531.  
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  534. You know, Clarence was a guy who...
  535.  
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  538. wasn't looking for the job
  539. he ended up with.
  540.  
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  542. 00:06:13,164 --> 00:06:15,375
  543. I said how the fuck was I gonna be
  544. a goddamn agent,
  545.  
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  547. 00:06:15,458 --> 00:06:17,502
  548. and writing reports up
  549. and all that shit, and--
  550.  
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  553. You know, that's not my life.
  554.  
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  556. 00:06:19,754 --> 00:06:20,797
  557. Not at all.
  558.  
  559. 130
  560. 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,343
  561. But he, um, he's the guy
  562. that really made Louis Armstrong.
  563.  
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  566. [man] Joe Glaser was
  567. Louis Armstrong's agent, manager, and...
  568.  
  569. 132
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  571. You know, they were together
  572. for virtually all of Louis' life.
  573.  
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  576. [Avant] He managed Dave Brubeck,
  577. Duke Ellington, Sarah Vaughan,
  578.  
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  581. and Billie Holiday.
  582.  
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  584. 00:06:41,109 --> 00:06:42,402
  585. He had a lot of acts.
  586.  
  587. 136
  588. 00:06:43,027 --> 00:06:47,698
  589. And he talked Clarence into getting
  590. into show business as a manager.
  591.  
  592. 137
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  594. Joe Glaser was tough...
  595.  
  596. 138
  597. 00:06:51,327 --> 00:06:52,453
  598. He was a tough guy.
  599.  
  600. 139
  601. 00:06:53,788 --> 00:06:55,289
  602. Joe was connected.
  603.  
  604. 140
  605. 00:06:55,373 --> 00:06:57,166
  606. They were all Al Capone's folks.
  607.  
  608. 141
  609. 00:06:57,875 --> 00:06:59,252
  610. [man] Prohibition creates
  611.  
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  614. the modern entertainment business
  615. in America.
  616.  
  617. 143
  618. 00:07:02,046 --> 00:07:03,631
  619. The underworld creates
  620.  
  621. 144
  622. 00:07:03,714 --> 00:07:07,468
  623. a network of restaurants, speakeasies,
  624. places where you can get drinks,
  625.  
  626. 145
  627. 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:09,178
  628. and they provide entertainment.
  629.  
  630. 146
  631. 00:07:09,262 --> 00:07:11,013
  632. So, when Prohibition was repealed,
  633.  
  634. 147
  635. 00:07:11,097 --> 00:07:13,683
  636. the structure created
  637. by Prohibition remained.
  638.  
  639. 148
  640. 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:16,561
  641. Now we have all this talent,
  642. and they need management.
  643.  
  644. 149
  645. 00:07:16,686 --> 00:07:20,648
  646. And so, the gangsters
  647. who were involved with the speakeasy world
  648.  
  649. 150
  650. 00:07:20,815 --> 00:07:24,068
  651. are still there, and now
  652. there's a legitimate business to be run.
  653.  
  654. 151
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  656. [mutters] I was too young
  657. to know about Al Capone.
  658.  
  659. 152
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  661. The fuck did I care
  662. about Al Capone, man?
  663.  
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  666. I mean, shit.
  667. I wasn't worried about nothing like that.
  668.  
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  671. No, I don't ask Mr. Glaser questions.
  672.  
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  674. 00:07:35,955 --> 00:07:37,248
  675. I just learned from him.
  676.  
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  679. I think we had, at one time,
  680.  
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  683. about 70% of all the black talent
  684. in America to book.
  685.  
  686. 158
  687. 00:07:43,546 --> 00:07:45,965
  688. They owned everything:
  689. the booking agencies,
  690.  
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  692. 00:07:46,048 --> 00:07:49,886
  693. the publishing companies,
  694. record companies, and the clubs.
  695.  
  696. 160
  697. 00:07:50,386 --> 00:07:51,596
  698. Business people...
  699.  
  700. 161
  701. 00:07:52,555 --> 00:07:54,557
  702. Not mafia. It's business.
  703.  
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  705. 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:55,683
  706. Oh, please.
  707.  
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  709. 00:07:56,434 --> 00:07:57,393
  710. Please, Clarence.
  711.  
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  713. 00:07:57,894 --> 00:07:59,979
  714. Somebody was holding a guy by his heels
  715.  
  716. 165
  717. 00:08:00,062 --> 00:08:01,731
  718. -out of the window,
  719. -[Avant] Remember that.
  720.  
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  723. and his overcoat fell all over his head.
  724. And I said, "What's going on up there?"
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  726. 167
  727. 00:08:05,443 --> 00:08:08,279
  728. They said, "Jackie Wilson's trying
  729. to renegotiate his contract."
  730.  
  731. 168
  732. 00:08:08,362 --> 00:08:10,615
  733. -True story. Nat Tarnopol.
  734. -[Jones] It's true.
  735.  
  736. 169
  737. 00:08:11,115 --> 00:08:12,825
  738. Those were some heavy days, man.
  739.  
  740. 170
  741. 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:14,702
  742. True.
  743.  
  744. 171
  745. 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:19,081
  746. [Cohen] Yeah, I used to
  747. walk Joe Glaser home at night.
  748.  
  749. 172
  750. 00:08:19,540 --> 00:08:22,460
  751. We would talk about people
  752. who came in the office,
  753.  
  754. 173
  755. 00:08:22,543 --> 00:08:25,087
  756. how bright they were
  757. or how dumb they were.
  758.  
  759. 174
  760. 00:08:25,171 --> 00:08:26,547
  761. Did they belong with us?
  762.  
  763. 175
  764. 00:08:26,714 --> 00:08:29,759
  765. Um, did-- did we want to be around them?
  766.  
  767. 176
  768. 00:08:30,635 --> 00:08:33,763
  769. And Clarence was one of the favorite guys.
  770.  
  771. 177
  772. 00:08:35,431 --> 00:08:38,768
  773. [Geffen] Clarence was an honorable,
  774. decent, hardworking guy
  775.  
  776. 178
  777. 00:08:38,851 --> 00:08:40,478
  778. who tried to do the right thing.
  779.  
  780. 179
  781. 00:08:40,561 --> 00:08:45,441
  782. And, you know, in the agency business,
  783. with managers and people like that,
  784.  
  785. 180
  786. 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:47,235
  787. it's hard to find
  788. a person quite like that.
  789.  
  790. 181
  791. 00:08:48,152 --> 00:08:50,446
  792. I think that Joe recognized this
  793. about Clarence
  794.  
  795. 182
  796. 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:54,075
  797. and thought, "This is a guy
  798. who should be looking out for artists."
  799.  
  800. 183
  801. 00:08:55,243 --> 00:08:58,329
  802. I think that possibly, culturally,
  803. the guy was smart enough to think,
  804.  
  805. 184
  806. 00:08:58,412 --> 00:09:00,540
  807. "You know, if I'm gonna have
  808. all of these great artists,
  809.  
  810. 185
  811. 00:09:00,623 --> 00:09:02,625
  812. Louis Armstrong and Sarah Vaughan,
  813.  
  814. 186
  815. 00:09:02,708 --> 00:09:04,669
  816. wouldn't it be great
  817. to have an African American,
  818.  
  819. 187
  820. 00:09:04,752 --> 00:09:07,797
  821. or a black, or a Negro--
  822. or whatever we were at that time--
  823.  
  824. 188
  825. 00:09:08,047 --> 00:09:11,259
  826. uh, be, you know, a conduit for them?"
  827.  
  828. 189
  829. 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,597
  830. [Cohen] Clarence became the manager
  831. of Little Willie John,
  832.  
  833. 190
  834. 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:18,766
  835. and later on, Jimmy Smith.
  836.  
  837. 191
  838. 00:09:19,684 --> 00:09:22,770
  839. [President Clinton] The thing I was always
  840. most impressed about Clarence with--
  841.  
  842. 192
  843. 00:09:22,853 --> 00:09:26,148
  844. was that he once represented Jimmy Smith.
  845.  
  846. 193
  847. 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:31,279
  848. The greatest jazz organist who ever lived
  849. by a country mile.
  850.  
  851. 194
  852. 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:39,161
  853. Jimmy Smith was a genius with the organ.
  854.  
  855. 195
  856. 00:09:40,955 --> 00:09:42,873
  857. He was a creative guy,
  858.  
  859. 196
  860. 00:09:43,374 --> 00:09:44,417
  861. but a character.
  862.  
  863. 197
  864. 00:09:45,251 --> 00:09:46,586
  865. Very eccentric.
  866.  
  867. 198
  868. 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:52,592
  869. [Avant] Quincy and I became friends
  870.  
  871. 199
  872. 00:09:52,675 --> 00:09:55,720
  873. because after Jimmy made
  874. that "Walk on the Wild Side,"
  875.  
  876. 200
  877. 00:09:55,803 --> 00:09:57,179
  878. everybody wanted Jimmy.
  879.  
  880. 201
  881. 00:09:57,763 --> 00:10:01,100
  882. [Jones] The first time we met,
  883. I had just convinced Philips Records
  884.  
  885. 202
  886. 00:10:01,183 --> 00:10:02,852
  887. to start a record label called EmArcy.
  888.  
  889. 203
  890. 00:10:03,352 --> 00:10:06,647
  891. We gave $100,000 to Dizzy Gillespie,
  892.  
  893. 204
  894. 00:10:06,731 --> 00:10:07,773
  895. to Art Blakey,
  896.  
  897. 205
  898. 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:09,692
  899. to Gerry Mulligan, to Cannonball,
  900.  
  901. 206
  902. 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:10,818
  903. to Clark Terry, et cetera.
  904.  
  905. 207
  906. 00:10:10,901 --> 00:10:15,489
  907. And so Clarence came in,
  908. and he wanted $450,000 for Jimmy Smith.
  909.  
  910. 208
  911. 00:10:15,573 --> 00:10:17,950
  912. And I said, "Wait a minute, man.
  913. You gotta be crazy, man.
  914.  
  915. 209
  916. 00:10:18,034 --> 00:10:19,452
  917. You're smoking something!"
  918.  
  919. 210
  920. 00:10:20,244 --> 00:10:22,788
  921. And he went out and got half of that.
  922.  
  923. 211
  924. 00:10:22,872 --> 00:10:23,998
  925. He didn't get 450,
  926.  
  927. 212
  928. 00:10:24,081 --> 00:10:26,292
  929. but he got half of that from Creed Taylor.
  930.  
  931. 213
  932. 00:10:26,542 --> 00:10:27,501
  933. We were on then.
  934.  
  935. 214
  936. 00:10:27,585 --> 00:10:28,919
  937. [jazz song plays]
  938.  
  939. 215
  940. 00:10:29,003 --> 00:10:30,880
  941. [interviewer] What was your
  942. first impression of Clarence?
  943.  
  944. 216
  945. 00:10:30,963 --> 00:10:32,006
  946. [chuckles]
  947.  
  948. 217
  949. 00:10:32,089 --> 00:10:33,215
  950. Can't put that on camera.
  951.  
  952. 218
  953. 00:10:34,050 --> 00:10:35,217
  954. [Jones] No.
  955.  
  956. 219
  957. 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:38,220
  958. No, it was love at first sight. It was.
  959.  
  960. 220
  961. 00:10:38,387 --> 00:10:39,472
  962. And respect.
  963.  
  964. 221
  965. 00:10:40,139 --> 00:10:43,684
  966. It's a tremendous respect,
  967. 'cause he has no BS in him.
  968.  
  969. 222
  970. 00:10:44,769 --> 00:10:45,895
  971. Not a drop.
  972.  
  973. 223
  974. 00:10:46,646 --> 00:10:49,649
  975. [Foxx] It's having that person
  976. that you can...
  977.  
  978. 224
  979. 00:10:49,774 --> 00:10:50,775
  980. really count on.
  981.  
  982. 225
  983. 00:10:50,858 --> 00:10:52,985
  984. I mean, they really count on each other,
  985. you know.
  986.  
  987. 226
  988. 00:10:53,069 --> 00:10:54,904
  989. If you talk to Quincy about, you know,
  990. Clarence,
  991.  
  992. 227
  993. 00:10:54,987 --> 00:10:57,573
  994. [as Jones] "Man, shit, man,
  995. Clarence is a son of a bitch, baby.
  996.  
  997. 228
  998. 00:10:57,948 --> 00:10:59,325
  999. He's a true gangster, man."
  1000.  
  1001. 229
  1002. 00:10:59,408 --> 00:11:01,577
  1003. Now he used to--
  1004. Quincy'd go off on a tangent.
  1005.  
  1006. 230
  1007. 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:04,789
  1008. "Yeah, man. Shit. Him, Sinatra, baby,
  1009. that was shit."
  1010.  
  1011. 231
  1012. 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:07,875
  1013. You could never get him in the corner.
  1014. Mm-mmm.
  1015.  
  1016. 232
  1017. 00:11:09,502 --> 00:11:10,836
  1018. That's part of the game, man.
  1019.  
  1020. 233
  1021. 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:13,631
  1022. If you don't ask, you don't get.
  1023.  
  1024. 234
  1025. 00:11:15,216 --> 00:11:18,094
  1026. Life is about one thing: numbers.
  1027. Nothing else.
  1028.  
  1029. 235
  1030. 00:11:18,177 --> 00:11:19,637
  1031. What did Tina Turner say?
  1032.  
  1033. 236
  1034. 00:11:20,513 --> 00:11:23,265
  1035. "What's love got to do with it?"
  1036. Not a fucking thing, man.
  1037.  
  1038. 237
  1039. 00:11:23,349 --> 00:11:27,228
  1040. That's why I tell people, life begins
  1041. with a number and it ends with a number.
  1042.  
  1043. 238
  1044. 00:11:27,728 --> 00:11:29,647
  1045. Love ain't got nothing to do with shit.
  1046.  
  1047. 239
  1048. 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:32,358
  1049. It's all about numbers. Nothing else.
  1050.  
  1051. 240
  1052. 00:11:33,442 --> 00:11:35,444
  1053. [swing music plays]
  1054.  
  1055. 241
  1056. 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:44,787
  1057. I had a manager,
  1058.  
  1059. 242
  1060. 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:49,250
  1061. and he had his offices in Carnegie Hall.
  1062.  
  1063. 243
  1064. 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:53,003
  1065. Every now and then,
  1066. I would just walk to the window
  1067.  
  1068. 244
  1069. 00:11:53,587 --> 00:11:57,425
  1070. and stand there and just watch life go by.
  1071.  
  1072. 245
  1073. 00:11:59,427 --> 00:12:00,886
  1074. And one morning,
  1075.  
  1076. 246
  1077. 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:06,142
  1078. I looked across the street,
  1079. and there was this man...
  1080.  
  1081. 247
  1082. 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:12,148
  1083. Now mind you,
  1084. this man was dressed to the nines.
  1085.  
  1086. 248
  1087. 00:12:12,231 --> 00:12:13,441
  1088. Do you hear me?
  1089.  
  1090. 249
  1091. 00:12:14,024 --> 00:12:17,695
  1092. And so, he would come,
  1093. and he would stand in the entryway,
  1094.  
  1095. 250
  1096. 00:12:18,154 --> 00:12:19,780
  1097. and he would look north,
  1098.  
  1099. 251
  1100. 00:12:20,406 --> 00:12:22,491
  1101. and he would look south,
  1102.  
  1103. 252
  1104. 00:12:23,242 --> 00:12:25,161
  1105. and then he straightened out
  1106. his shoulders,
  1107.  
  1108. 253
  1109. 00:12:25,953 --> 00:12:27,121
  1110. he took his bag,
  1111.  
  1112. 254
  1113. 00:12:27,204 --> 00:12:31,041
  1114. and he stepped out of that building,
  1115. and down Seventh Avenue he went.
  1116.  
  1117. 255
  1118. 00:12:31,125 --> 00:12:33,210
  1119. And he was this color!
  1120.  
  1121. 256
  1122. 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:34,295
  1123. Do you hear me?
  1124.  
  1125. 257
  1126. 00:12:34,378 --> 00:12:37,673
  1127. Oh, my God.
  1128. I'd never seen anything quite like it.
  1129.  
  1130. 258
  1131. 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:42,386
  1132. [George] Every description of Clarence,
  1133. he was one of those guys.
  1134.  
  1135. 259
  1136. 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:44,180
  1137. He was a man about town,
  1138.  
  1139. 260
  1140. 00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:47,224
  1141. he was all in the clubs,
  1142. he knew all the cool people.
  1143.  
  1144. 261
  1145. 00:12:48,642 --> 00:12:50,311
  1146. I took him to the Copacabana...
  1147.  
  1148. 262
  1149. 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:52,855
  1150. With Lena.
  1151.  
  1152. 263
  1153. 00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:56,984
  1154. And we went backstage
  1155. to try to get Diana Ross.
  1156.  
  1157. 264
  1158. 00:12:57,777 --> 00:12:59,862
  1159. And they said, "Miss Ross is resting."
  1160.  
  1161. 265
  1162. 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:03,908
  1163. I said, "Resting my butt, man.
  1164. Lena Horne's out there. Get out here."
  1165.  
  1166. 266
  1167. 00:13:04,575 --> 00:13:07,787
  1168. Clarence had
  1169. a little bit too much lemonade that night.
  1170.  
  1171. 267
  1172. 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:09,288
  1173. [laughing]
  1174.  
  1175. 268
  1176. 00:13:09,371 --> 00:13:12,291
  1177. He had to get a cab
  1178. to carry me into my apartment,
  1179.  
  1180. 269
  1181. 00:13:12,374 --> 00:13:14,251
  1182. 15 West 72nd Street.
  1183.  
  1184. 270
  1185. 00:13:14,668 --> 00:13:16,378
  1186. I was drunk for two days, man.
  1187.  
  1188. 271
  1189. 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,256
  1190. I ain't been drunk since.
  1191.  
  1192. 272
  1193. 00:13:19,423 --> 00:13:21,050
  1194. -[Jones] Oh, please.
  1195. -No, I haven't!
  1196.  
  1197. 273
  1198. 00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:22,885
  1199. -[Jones] Oh, please.
  1200. -That's why I put ice in my wine.
  1201.  
  1202. 274
  1203. 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:27,973
  1204. [woman] When I was dating Clarence,
  1205.  
  1206. 275
  1207. 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:29,600
  1208. there were so many,
  1209.  
  1210. 276
  1211. 00:13:29,683 --> 00:13:32,728
  1212. you know, interesting places,
  1213. restaurants, and people.
  1214.  
  1215. 277
  1216. 00:13:32,978 --> 00:13:35,189
  1217. And we would visit, like, Harry Belafonte.
  1218.  
  1219. 278
  1220. 00:13:35,272 --> 00:13:37,191
  1221. It was, I mean,
  1222. it was one thing after another.
  1223.  
  1224. 279
  1225. 00:13:37,274 --> 00:13:41,111
  1226. ♪ I love you, I love you
  1227. Baby, I love you... ♪
  1228.  
  1229. 280
  1230. 00:13:41,195 --> 00:13:43,781
  1231. [George] At one time, Jackie modeled
  1232. for Ebony Fashion Fair.
  1233.  
  1234. 281
  1235. 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:49,286
  1236. Ebony Fashion Fair
  1237. was a tour that would bring high fashion
  1238.  
  1239. 282
  1240. 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:50,412
  1241. to black neighborhoods.
  1242.  
  1243. 283
  1244. 00:13:50,496 --> 00:13:52,706
  1245. The Ebony Fashion Fair models
  1246. were, like, the first models
  1247.  
  1248. 284
  1249. 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:54,667
  1250. that black people really saw
  1251. on the runway.
  1252.  
  1253. 285
  1254. 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:58,587
  1255. So, for a black guy in 1960-something,
  1256. a Fashion Fair model was, like,
  1257.  
  1258. 286
  1259. 00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:00,256
  1260. a big deal.
  1261.  
  1262. 287
  1263. 00:14:01,048 --> 00:14:03,884
  1264. [Avant] When Jackie met me,
  1265. I got into Birdland free.
  1266.  
  1267. 288
  1268. 00:14:03,968 --> 00:14:08,389
  1269. I got into the best restaurants, you know,
  1270. because you knew certain people,
  1271.  
  1272. 289
  1273. 00:14:08,472 --> 00:14:10,140
  1274. you know, like Mr. Glaser.
  1275.  
  1276. 290
  1277. 00:14:10,224 --> 00:14:11,225
  1278. You know, hey!
  1279.  
  1280. 291
  1281. 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:15,312
  1282. [Jacqueline]
  1283. He'd always have a car pick me up.
  1284.  
  1285. 292
  1286. 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:18,190
  1287. And I thought, "Who is this guy?"
  1288.  
  1289. 293
  1290. 00:14:18,274 --> 00:14:21,902
  1291. And then one day,
  1292. I guess he was really trying to get...
  1293.  
  1294. 294
  1295. 00:14:23,153 --> 00:14:23,988
  1296. win me over.
  1297.  
  1298. 295
  1299. 00:14:24,071 --> 00:14:26,699
  1300. And for some reason, he mentioned...
  1301.  
  1302. 296
  1303. 00:14:27,324 --> 00:14:29,535
  1304. how much he had paid
  1305. the Internal Revenue Service.
  1306.  
  1307. 297
  1308. 00:14:29,618 --> 00:14:32,204
  1309. "Okay, so if you paid them that much,
  1310. that must mean that--" 
  1311.  
  1312. 298
  1313. 00:14:32,288 --> 00:14:34,248
  1314. Guess he was trying to tell me
  1315. how much he made.
  1316.  
  1317. 299
  1318. 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:37,126
  1319. Hey, I told you. Life begins
  1320. with a number, and it ends with a number.
  1321.  
  1322. 300
  1323. 00:14:37,209 --> 00:14:39,336
  1324. -[Jacqueline] Thought it was important.
  1325. -Life's about numbers.
  1326.  
  1327. 301
  1328. 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:40,671
  1329. [snapping in time]
  1330.  
  1331. 302
  1332. 00:14:40,754 --> 00:14:42,464
  1333. [stand-up bass strums]
  1334.  
  1335. 303
  1336. 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:45,175
  1337. [Avant]
  1338. I had been on a tour with Jimmy Smith
  1339.  
  1340. 304
  1341. 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:47,469
  1342. and Dizzy Gillespie.
  1343.  
  1344. 305
  1345. 00:14:51,056 --> 00:14:53,559
  1346. That's where Lalo was playing the piano.
  1347.  
  1348. 306
  1349. 00:14:57,938 --> 00:15:01,233
  1350. [Schifrin] Pianist, composer,
  1351. and arranger of Dizzy Gillespie.
  1352.  
  1353. 307
  1354. 00:15:01,817 --> 00:15:04,236
  1355. We were touring around the world.
  1356.  
  1357. 308
  1358. 00:15:08,574 --> 00:15:10,534
  1359. And so, when I get back,
  1360.  
  1361. 309
  1362. 00:15:11,118 --> 00:15:14,288
  1363. Mr. Glaser come into his office.
  1364. "I'm sending you to California."
  1365.  
  1366. 310
  1367. 00:15:14,538 --> 00:15:15,372
  1368. I said, "For what?"
  1369.  
  1370. 311
  1371. 00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:20,252
  1372. "This piano player
  1373. with Dizzy wants to be in the movies."
  1374.  
  1375. 312
  1376. 00:15:20,836 --> 00:15:23,797
  1377. Because when you got into TV
  1378. and television,
  1379.  
  1380. 313
  1381. 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:26,008
  1382. there was big money.
  1383.  
  1384. 314
  1385. 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,554
  1386. And Mr. Glaser thought
  1387. Lalo had what it takes.
  1388.  
  1389. 315
  1390. 00:15:32,222 --> 00:15:34,433
  1391. [Avant] And what am I gonna do
  1392. with a white composer?
  1393.  
  1394. 316
  1395. 00:15:34,808 --> 00:15:37,019
  1396. He said, "The same god damn thing.
  1397. You heard, Negro.
  1398.  
  1399. 317
  1400. 00:15:37,144 --> 00:15:38,938
  1401. Get the fuck outta here and go to work."
  1402.  
  1403. 318
  1404. 00:15:39,897 --> 00:15:42,524
  1405. I really didn't know nothing
  1406. about movies, man,
  1407.  
  1408. 319
  1409. 00:15:42,608 --> 00:15:43,984
  1410. and television, shit.
  1411.  
  1412. 320
  1413. 00:15:44,568 --> 00:15:46,779
  1414. Mr. Glaser said, "Don't worry about that."
  1415.  
  1416. 321
  1417. 00:15:47,529 --> 00:15:50,407
  1418. And I met every head of every studio.
  1419.  
  1420. 322
  1421. 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:52,910
  1422. He knew everybody,
  1423.  
  1424. 323
  1425. 00:15:52,993 --> 00:15:58,248
  1426. but he knew the head
  1427. of music publishing of MGM.
  1428.  
  1429. 324
  1430. 00:15:58,332 --> 00:16:01,377
  1431. And he-- Right away, he got me a movie.
  1432. Right there.
  1433.  
  1434. 325
  1435. 00:16:02,878 --> 00:16:05,005
  1436. [Cohen] Clarence ran the ship for Lalo.
  1437.  
  1438. 326
  1439. 00:16:05,923 --> 00:16:10,177
  1440. I'm sure that a lot of white people
  1441. were very surprised
  1442.  
  1443. 327
  1444. 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:12,304
  1445. when Mr. Schifrin showed up
  1446. with his manager.
  1447.  
  1448. 328
  1449. 00:16:12,388 --> 00:16:15,516
  1450. They probably thought he was his valet
  1451. or his driver.
  1452.  
  1453. 329
  1454. 00:16:15,599 --> 00:16:17,309
  1455. [funk music plays]
  1456.  
  1457. 330
  1458. 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,689
  1459. [Avant] You know, Lalo did over 100 films.
  1460.  
  1461. 331
  1462. 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:24,108
  1463. Over 100 fucking films.
  1464.  
  1465. 332
  1466. 00:16:26,902 --> 00:16:29,738
  1467. [Lalo] Bruce Lee,
  1468. he liked my music so much,
  1469.  
  1470. 333
  1471. 00:16:29,822 --> 00:16:32,533
  1472. he offered to teach me martial arts.
  1473.  
  1474. 334
  1475. 00:16:33,117 --> 00:16:35,285
  1476. He made me build a dojo in my house.
  1477.  
  1478. 335
  1479. 00:16:35,953 --> 00:16:37,496
  1480. I became a black belt.
  1481.  
  1482. 336
  1483. 00:16:37,579 --> 00:16:38,414
  1484. [exclaims]
  1485.  
  1486. 337
  1487. 00:16:39,498 --> 00:16:42,459
  1488. Lalo's probably the main guy
  1489.  
  1490. 338
  1491. 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:45,879
  1492. who set him up in the publishing world,
  1493.  
  1494. 339
  1495. 00:16:45,963 --> 00:16:49,925
  1496. where he learned
  1497. that a copyright is a gold mine.
  1498.  
  1499. 340
  1500. 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:52,011
  1501. [plays Mission: Impossible theme]
  1502.  
  1503. 341
  1504. 00:16:55,556 --> 00:16:57,141
  1505. [Mission: Impossible theme song plays]
  1506.  
  1507. 342
  1508. 00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:06,358
  1509. [Avant] I had told Quincy,
  1510.  
  1511. 343
  1512. 00:17:07,735 --> 00:17:10,320
  1513. "I'll never get married,
  1514. never live in California."
  1515.  
  1516. 344
  1517. 00:17:11,739 --> 00:17:13,115
  1518. Well, Jackie got pregnant.
  1519.  
  1520. 345
  1521. 00:17:14,408 --> 00:17:18,120
  1522. So I took her out to see my mother
  1523. in Summit, New Jersey,
  1524.  
  1525. 346
  1526. 00:17:18,203 --> 00:17:19,955
  1527. where I'd bought my mother a house.
  1528.  
  1529. 347
  1530. 00:17:20,456 --> 00:17:22,416
  1531. I remember him calling her
  1532. while we were dating,
  1533.  
  1534. 348
  1535. 00:17:22,499 --> 00:17:24,376
  1536. and he would always refer to her
  1537. as Gert.
  1538.  
  1539. 349
  1540. 00:17:24,460 --> 00:17:28,547
  1541. And his mother gave a beautiful tea
  1542. for me at her home.
  1543.  
  1544. 350
  1545. 00:17:29,131 --> 00:17:30,507
  1546. My mother took me in the kitchen,
  1547.  
  1548. 351
  1549. 00:17:30,591 --> 00:17:33,093
  1550. and she was talking to me.
  1551. She said, "Boy, what's wrong with you?"
  1552.  
  1553. 352
  1554. 00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:35,179
  1555. I said, "I ain't ready to get married."
  1556.  
  1557. 353
  1558. 00:17:35,262 --> 00:17:37,056
  1559. She said,
  1560. "You used to ask me about your daddy,
  1561.  
  1562. 354
  1563. 00:17:37,139 --> 00:17:39,391
  1564. and now you talkin' about
  1565. you ain't gonna marry that girl?"
  1566.  
  1567. 355
  1568. 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:42,144
  1569. We got married.
  1570.  
  1571. 356
  1572. 00:17:44,354 --> 00:17:45,355
  1573. And then...
  1574.  
  1575. 357
  1576. 00:17:46,648 --> 00:17:47,900
  1577. moved to California.
  1578.  
  1579. 358
  1580. 00:17:53,155 --> 00:17:54,448
  1581. [man] When he came to LA,
  1582.  
  1583. 359
  1584. 00:17:54,531 --> 00:17:58,786
  1585. it was like, he was starting his life
  1586. all over again with Jackie.
  1587.  
  1588. 360
  1589. 00:17:58,869 --> 00:18:00,329
  1590. He was changing his life.
  1591.  
  1592. 361
  1593. 00:18:00,412 --> 00:18:03,248
  1594. -["California Soul" playing]
  1595. -♪ California soul... ♪
  1596.  
  1597. 362
  1598. 00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:07,294
  1599. [Avant] I was just looking for a house
  1600. 'cause Mr. Glaser told me to find a house.
  1601.  
  1602. 363
  1603. 00:18:07,377 --> 00:18:09,088
  1604. Baldwin Hills was the shit.
  1605.  
  1606. 364
  1607. 00:18:09,213 --> 00:18:12,091
  1608. Ray Charles and Nancy Wilson lived there.
  1609.  
  1610. 365
  1611. 00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:13,717
  1612. Everybody lived in Baldwin Hills.
  1613.  
  1614. 366
  1615. 00:18:14,218 --> 00:18:16,804
  1616. So one day, Mr. Glaser came out.
  1617.  
  1618. 367
  1619. 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:19,264
  1620. "Looking for a house?"
  1621. "Yes, sir."
  1622.  
  1623. 368
  1624. 00:18:19,348 --> 00:18:20,933
  1625. "Where?" "Baldwin Hills."
  1626.  
  1627. 369
  1628. 00:18:21,016 --> 00:18:23,727
  1629. "Where the fuck's Baldwin Hills?"
  1630. I said, "That's where Negroes live."
  1631.  
  1632. 370
  1633. 00:18:24,394 --> 00:18:27,898
  1634. Back then, there were no Negroes living
  1635. in Beverly Hills.
  1636.  
  1637. 371
  1638. 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:30,359
  1639. But he said,
  1640. "You find a house in Beverly."
  1641.  
  1642. 372
  1643. 00:18:30,442 --> 00:18:33,070
  1644. I said, "Sorry, I can't afford it."
  1645. "I didn't ask you that."
  1646.  
  1647. 373
  1648. 00:18:33,737 --> 00:18:34,780
  1649. Found a house.
  1650.  
  1651. 374
  1652. 00:18:34,863 --> 00:18:37,324
  1653. ♪ California soul... ♪
  1654.  
  1655. 375
  1656. 00:18:38,158 --> 00:18:40,744
  1657. Glaser is the one who bought the house.
  1658.  
  1659. 376
  1660. 00:18:40,828 --> 00:18:44,373
  1661. Of course, I borrowed the money from him.
  1662. Didn't have no fuckin' money.
  1663.  
  1664. 377
  1665. 00:18:44,957 --> 00:18:47,376
  1666. I had a few dollars, but not like that.
  1667.  
  1668. 378
  1669. 00:18:47,459 --> 00:18:49,920
  1670. He was dealing with all the studio heads
  1671.  
  1672. 379
  1673. 00:18:50,003 --> 00:18:51,463
  1674. in the old days.
  1675.  
  1676. 380
  1677. 00:18:51,547 --> 00:18:52,881
  1678. [laughing]
  1679.  
  1680. 381
  1681. 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:54,341
  1682. And got away with it.
  1683.  
  1684. 382
  1685. 00:18:54,508 --> 00:18:57,386
  1686. He's just fearless, man.
  1687. Absolutely fearless.
  1688.  
  1689. 383
  1690. 00:18:57,469 --> 00:18:59,221
  1691. I remember all those guys
  1692. were talking about,
  1693.  
  1694. 384
  1695. 00:18:59,304 --> 00:19:00,639
  1696. "The man's holding me back."
  1697.  
  1698. 385
  1699. 00:19:00,722 --> 00:19:03,809
  1700. He was in there talking to Lew Wasserman,
  1701. the mofo.
  1702.  
  1703. 386
  1704. 00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:07,729
  1705. And meeting with him
  1706. and getting things done.
  1707.  
  1708. 387
  1709. 00:19:09,439 --> 00:19:11,984
  1710. [man] Lew created the agenting system,
  1711.  
  1712. 388
  1713. 00:19:12,067 --> 00:19:14,236
  1714. you know. And ran the studio.
  1715.  
  1716. 389
  1717. 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:17,030
  1718. And Clarence understood
  1719. the power in connectivity
  1720.  
  1721. 390
  1722. 00:19:17,114 --> 00:19:18,907
  1723. and the power in relationships.
  1724.  
  1725. 391
  1726. 00:19:19,908 --> 00:19:21,410
  1727. [Avant]
  1728. Lew Wasserman was a good friend.
  1729.  
  1730. 392
  1731. 00:19:23,036 --> 00:19:25,455
  1732. I used to meet with him,
  1733. just the two of us, have lunch.
  1734.  
  1735. 393
  1736. 00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:27,624
  1737. Whatever time he had a fund-raiser
  1738. or something,
  1739.  
  1740. 394
  1741. 00:19:27,708 --> 00:19:29,418
  1742. he'd call. "Clarence, I need you."
  1743.  
  1744. 395
  1745. 00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:33,964
  1746. [man] Most of the fund-raisers were held
  1747. at Lew Wasserman's house.
  1748.  
  1749. 396
  1750. 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,842
  1751. And I would always see Clarence
  1752.  
  1753. 397
  1754. 00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:38,218
  1755. at those events.
  1756.  
  1757. 398
  1758. 00:19:38,302 --> 00:19:41,722
  1759. [interviewer] Was he the only black person
  1760. at these events?
  1761.  
  1762. 399
  1763. 00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:45,434
  1764. I'm... saddened to tell you
  1765.  
  1766. 400
  1767. 00:19:45,517 --> 00:19:47,227
  1768. that that may be the case.
  1769.  
  1770. 401
  1771. 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:51,315
  1772. [woman] Clarence has that something
  1773. where he can connect with...
  1774.  
  1775. 402
  1776. 00:19:52,274 --> 00:19:53,150
  1777. everyone.
  1778.  
  1779. 403
  1780. 00:19:53,650 --> 00:19:54,484
  1781. And he has.
  1782.  
  1783. 404
  1784. 00:19:55,068 --> 00:19:56,862
  1785. He came a long way
  1786.  
  1787. 405
  1788. 00:19:57,696 --> 00:19:58,906
  1789. in a short time.
  1790.  
  1791. 406
  1792. 00:20:00,449 --> 00:20:02,868
  1793. [Avant]
  1794. Lalo worked a lot for David Wolper.
  1795.  
  1796. 407
  1797. 00:20:02,951 --> 00:20:05,621
  1798. David Wolper did documentaries.
  1799.  
  1800. 408
  1801. 00:20:06,496 --> 00:20:10,334
  1802. So... I get a call
  1803. from Mr. Glaser one day.
  1804.  
  1805. 409
  1806. 00:20:10,417 --> 00:20:12,127
  1807. "You gotta go meet Art Modell."
  1808.  
  1809. 410
  1810. 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,670
  1811. "Who the fuck is Art Modell?"
  1812.  
  1813. 411
  1814. 00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:16,256
  1815. "He owns the Cleveland Browns."
  1816. "What do I want to meet him for?"
  1817.  
  1818. 412
  1819. 00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:19,092
  1820. "Well, your friend David Wolper
  1821. wants to do a documentary.
  1822.  
  1823. 413
  1824. 00:20:19,176 --> 00:20:21,303
  1825. And there's a guy who plays
  1826. for the Cleveland Browns
  1827.  
  1828. 414
  1829. 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:24,348
  1830. named Jim Brown. Doesn't want to be
  1831. in the documentary.
  1832.  
  1833. 415
  1834. 00:20:24,932 --> 00:20:26,350
  1835. You gotta convince him."
  1836.  
  1837. 416
  1838. 00:20:26,934 --> 00:20:29,686
  1839. [George] Jim Brown was a football player.
  1840. He's a running back,
  1841.  
  1842. 417
  1843. 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:32,272
  1844. who is as big as anybody on the line.
  1845.  
  1846. 418
  1847. 00:20:32,356 --> 00:20:34,107
  1848. And if you watch film of Jim Brown,
  1849.  
  1850. 419
  1851. 00:20:34,191 --> 00:20:36,777
  1852. he's just brutalizing people.
  1853.  
  1854. 420
  1855. 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:40,280
  1856. [announcer] Number 32, Jimmy Brown,
  1857. makes tissue paper of the Giant line.
  1858.  
  1859. 421
  1860. 00:20:40,364 --> 00:20:42,032
  1861. There's no stopping the great man.
  1862.  
  1863. 422
  1864. 00:20:42,115 --> 00:20:45,702
  1865. He sets the Cleveland team on fire,
  1866. and it's a five-alarm blaze!
  1867.  
  1868. 423
  1869. 00:20:48,413 --> 00:20:51,583
  1870. You have this guy called Clarence Avant...
  1871.  
  1872. 424
  1873. 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:55,128
  1874. that everybody's talking about,
  1875.  
  1876. 425
  1877. 00:20:55,963 --> 00:20:57,923
  1878. but nobody seems to understand
  1879.  
  1880. 426
  1881. 00:20:58,006 --> 00:21:00,926
  1882. just exactly what his official title was.
  1883.  
  1884. 427
  1885. 00:21:01,009 --> 00:21:03,553
  1886. I couldn't tell you now exactly what he--
  1887.  
  1888. 428
  1889. 00:21:03,637 --> 00:21:05,555
  1890. Was he an agent, a manager, a lawyer?
  1891.  
  1892. 429
  1893. 00:21:06,515 --> 00:21:08,558
  1894. ...what he was. [chuckles]
  1895.  
  1896. 430
  1897. 00:21:08,642 --> 00:21:11,812
  1898. And so, we're talking.
  1899. "You wanna be in the movies?"
  1900.  
  1901. 431
  1902. 00:21:12,562 --> 00:21:13,647
  1903. He just looked at me.
  1904.  
  1905. 432
  1906. 00:21:14,856 --> 00:21:16,858
  1907. "Yeah. You own a record label?"
  1908.  
  1909. 433
  1910. 00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:20,904
  1911. I guess he said,
  1912. "Who the eff is this schmuck?"
  1913.  
  1914. 434
  1915. 00:21:21,321 --> 00:21:25,993
  1916. He had a definitive... personality.
  1917.  
  1918. 435
  1919. 00:21:26,076 --> 00:21:28,120
  1920. You know, he was Clarence,
  1921.  
  1922. 436
  1923. 00:21:28,954 --> 00:21:31,665
  1924. and he wasn't gonna be no different
  1925. than that.
  1926.  
  1927. 437
  1928. 00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,084
  1929. And he had his way of operating.
  1930.  
  1931. 438
  1932. 00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:36,670
  1933. And I liked that.
  1934.  
  1935. 439
  1936. 00:21:37,671 --> 00:21:40,340
  1937. [Avant] We put him into movies,
  1938. which he did.
  1939.  
  1940. 440
  1941. 00:21:40,465 --> 00:21:42,926
  1942. One of the big films was The Dirty Dozen.
  1943.  
  1944. 441
  1945. 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:45,345
  1946. [presenter]
  1947. Jimmy Brown as Napoleon Jefferson.
  1948.  
  1949. 442
  1950. 00:21:45,595 --> 00:21:48,890
  1951. "Jefferson is any man fighting
  1952. for recognition against the odds,"
  1953.  
  1954. 443
  1955. 00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:52,019
  1956. says Brown.
  1957. "I think I understand him pretty well."
  1958.  
  1959. 444
  1960. 00:21:52,853 --> 00:21:54,021
  1961. [George] He was a presence.
  1962.  
  1963. 445
  1964. 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:56,773
  1965. There was something so credible about him.
  1966. He filled the screen.
  1967.  
  1968. 446
  1969. 00:22:00,527 --> 00:22:02,529
  1970. [Avant] Clarence was a guy
  1971. that you really had to see
  1972.  
  1973. 447
  1974. 00:22:02,612 --> 00:22:04,781
  1975. to put certain kinds of deals together.
  1976.  
  1977. 448
  1978. 00:22:04,865 --> 00:22:07,367
  1979. Woman, what're they looking at?
  1980.  
  1981. 449
  1982. 00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:10,996
  1983. It's the first time
  1984. they've seen a black man before.
  1985.  
  1986. 450
  1987. 00:22:11,705 --> 00:22:14,416
  1988. [Brown] I became the first black actor
  1989.  
  1990. 451
  1991. 00:22:14,499 --> 00:22:16,501
  1992. that had a love scene
  1993.  
  1994. 452
  1995. 00:22:16,585 --> 00:22:19,671
  1996. with a white actress,
  1997. which was Raquel Welch.
  1998.  
  1999. 453
  2000. 00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:22,591
  2001. [George] He does this movie
  2002. with Raquel Welch, 100 Rifles,
  2003.  
  2004. 454
  2005. 00:22:22,674 --> 00:22:26,094
  2006. and there's a picture of Raquel Welch
  2007. with her arms around his big, black chest.
  2008.  
  2009. 455
  2010. 00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:27,846
  2011. People are like, "Whoa!"
  2012.  
  2013. 456
  2014. 00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:29,431
  2015. I got threats.
  2016.  
  2017. 457
  2018. 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:34,311
  2019. America was not indulging
  2020. with interracial love scenes
  2021.  
  2022. 458
  2023. 00:22:34,394 --> 00:22:36,605
  2024. on their... silver screen.
  2025.  
  2026. 459
  2027. 00:22:38,648 --> 00:22:41,610
  2028. [George] These values
  2029. that America said it believed in...
  2030.  
  2031. 460
  2032. 00:22:42,944 --> 00:22:44,654
  2033. were not being manifested for us.
  2034.  
  2035. 461
  2036. 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:47,866
  2037. Jim Crow was everywhere,
  2038. racism was everywhere.
  2039.  
  2040. 462
  2041. 00:22:48,992 --> 00:22:50,494
  2042. It's a very heavy time.
  2043.  
  2044. 463
  2045. 00:22:51,495 --> 00:22:53,205
  2046. It's a time of great conflict.
  2047.  
  2048. 464
  2049. 00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:55,082
  2050. [Avant] I never marched.
  2051.  
  2052. 465
  2053. 00:22:56,541 --> 00:22:58,168
  2054. If I got hit, I'd hit back.
  2055.  
  2056. 466
  2057. 00:22:58,668 --> 00:22:59,711
  2058. I'd be dead now.
  2059.  
  2060. 467
  2061. 00:23:02,255 --> 00:23:05,759
  2062. [Brown] There were so many question marks
  2063. at that particular time, racially,
  2064.  
  2065. 468
  2066. 00:23:06,134 --> 00:23:09,012
  2067. and Hollywood had its own power base,
  2068.  
  2069. 469
  2070. 00:23:09,763 --> 00:23:11,431
  2071. and here was...
  2072.  
  2073. 470
  2074. 00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:15,018
  2075. an African-American man in Hollywood
  2076.  
  2077. 471
  2078. 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:18,271
  2079. that was defying
  2080. what Hollywood was supposed to be.
  2081.  
  2082. 472
  2083. 00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:23,402
  2084. I don't let nothing get in my way
  2085. about anything that I wanna do.
  2086.  
  2087. 473
  2088. 00:23:23,485 --> 00:23:24,653
  2089. That's the way I think.
  2090.  
  2091. 474
  2092. 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:28,115
  2093. People say, "Where'd you go to college?"
  2094. College?
  2095.  
  2096. 475
  2097. 00:23:28,865 --> 00:23:31,118
  2098. Shit. Ninth grade is as far as I got.
  2099.  
  2100. 476
  2101. 00:23:31,993 --> 00:23:34,413
  2102. I learned a lot
  2103. from a guy called Joe Glaser.
  2104.  
  2105. 477
  2106. 00:23:35,038 --> 00:23:35,872
  2107. A lot.
  2108.  
  2109. 478
  2110. 00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:40,001
  2111. When Mr. Glaser died,
  2112.  
  2113. 479
  2114. 00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:42,838
  2115. I told Jackie, "We have to move."
  2116. 'Cause I owed them money.
  2117.  
  2118. 480
  2119. 00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:46,299
  2120. One month goes by, three months go by,
  2121. the fourth month...
  2122.  
  2123. 481
  2124. 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:48,969
  2125. Mr. Korshak called.
  2126.  
  2127. 482
  2128. 00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:51,638
  2129. "Clarence." "Yes, sir."
  2130.  
  2131. 483
  2132. 00:23:51,721 --> 00:23:53,390
  2133. "Your loan is forgiven." Hung up.
  2134.  
  2135. 484
  2136. 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:56,768
  2137. I don't have problems.
  2138.  
  2139. 485
  2140. 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:58,812
  2141. I have friends.
  2142.  
  2143. 486
  2144. 00:24:03,984 --> 00:24:06,236
  2145. It's almost like he took a situation...
  2146.  
  2147. 487
  2148. 00:24:06,903 --> 00:24:10,407
  2149. and saw there was a lot of power
  2150. in this situation...
  2151.  
  2152. 488
  2153. 00:24:10,657 --> 00:24:11,950
  2154. and decided,
  2155.  
  2156. 489
  2157. 00:24:12,576 --> 00:24:14,202
  2158. "Okay, I landed here,
  2159.  
  2160. 490
  2161. 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:17,831
  2162. and I'm gonna take everything here
  2163. that's here
  2164.  
  2165. 491
  2166. 00:24:17,914 --> 00:24:20,125
  2167. on this little island
  2168. that I just landed on,
  2169.  
  2170. 492
  2171. 00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:22,586
  2172. and I'm going to use it for good,
  2173.  
  2174. 493
  2175. 00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:24,296
  2176. and I'm gonna use it to lift up my people,
  2177.  
  2178. 494
  2179. 00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:26,131
  2180. and I'm going to use it
  2181. to push down barriers,
  2182.  
  2183. 495
  2184. 00:24:26,214 --> 00:24:29,718
  2185. and I'm gonna use it to open doors,
  2186. and I'm gonna use it for the right thing.
  2187.  
  2188. 496
  2189. 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:31,428
  2190. I'm gonna use it for justice."
  2191.  
  2192. 497
  2193. 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:35,265
  2194. He got involved in wanting to be
  2195. an entrepreneur in his own right.
  2196.  
  2197. 498
  2198. 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:40,896
  2199. [Avant]
  2200. So in 1970, I launched Sussex Records.
  2201.  
  2202. 499
  2203. 00:24:40,979 --> 00:24:42,522
  2204. [funk music plays]
  2205.  
  2206. 500
  2207. 00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:45,775
  2208. [man] Clarence is very proud of the name.
  2209. I don't know if he's mentioned it to you.
  2210.  
  2211. 501
  2212. 00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:48,320
  2213. The two things people want more.
  2214.  
  2215. 502
  2216. 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:49,905
  2217. Think about it.
  2218.  
  2219. 503
  2220. 00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:54,242
  2221. Success and sex, what else is new?
  2222.  
  2223. 504
  2224. 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,789
  2225. "Success," that means suc-- sex-- sex?
  2226.  
  2227. 505
  2228. 00:24:59,873 --> 00:25:01,333
  2229. [laughs]
  2230.  
  2231. 506
  2232. 00:25:02,542 --> 00:25:03,376
  2233. Shit!
  2234.  
  2235. 507
  2236. 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:05,212
  2237. [laughing]
  2238.  
  2239. 508
  2240. 00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:07,380
  2241. Success and sex.
  2242.  
  2243. 509
  2244. 00:25:07,464 --> 00:25:09,508
  2245. Sound like something him and Quincy
  2246. was talking about high.
  2247.  
  2248. 510
  2249. 00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:11,593
  2250. [laughing]
  2251.  
  2252. 511
  2253. 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:13,553
  2254. [chuckling]
  2255.  
  2256. 512
  2257. 00:25:13,887 --> 00:25:15,388
  2258. He goes his own way.
  2259.  
  2260. 513
  2261. 00:25:15,472 --> 00:25:17,516
  2262. He doesn't feel the need...
  2263.  
  2264. 514
  2265. 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:21,686
  2266. to fold himself into a pretzel
  2267. to be popular.
  2268.  
  2269. 515
  2270. 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,980
  2271. He just, you know...
  2272.  
  2273. 516
  2274. 00:25:24,397 --> 00:25:26,733
  2275. m-- moved to his own drum beat.
  2276.  
  2277. 517
  2278. 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:30,237
  2279. [George] Over the course of between,
  2280. like, '68 and '71 or '72,
  2281.  
  2282. 518
  2283. 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,365
  2284. Motown basically moved from Detroit to LA.
  2285.  
  2286. 519
  2287. 00:25:34,241 --> 00:25:37,702
  2288. And so, Clarence opening Sussex
  2289. in LA in the early '70s...
  2290.  
  2291. 520
  2292. 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:39,538
  2293. He's in the moment
  2294.  
  2295. 521
  2296. 00:25:39,621 --> 00:25:43,375
  2297. where LA is becoming the new center
  2298. of black commercial music.
  2299.  
  2300. 522
  2301. 00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:48,922
  2302. [Somer] I was involved with him
  2303. on his formation of Sussex music.
  2304.  
  2305. 523
  2306. 00:25:49,005 --> 00:25:52,926
  2307. At that time, I can't think
  2308. of very many black entrepreneurs
  2309.  
  2310. 524
  2311. 00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:55,595
  2312. in the rock and roll business,
  2313.  
  2314. 525
  2315. 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:58,390
  2316. let alone on the true business side
  2317.  
  2318. 526
  2319. 00:25:58,473 --> 00:25:59,683
  2320. of the music scene.
  2321.  
  2322. 527
  2323. 00:25:59,766 --> 00:26:01,851
  2324. And Clarence was one of those kinda guys.
  2325.  
  2326. 528
  2327. 00:26:02,143 --> 00:26:04,396
  2328. [Avant] I didn't want anybody to tell me
  2329. who I had to sign,
  2330.  
  2331. 529
  2332. 00:26:04,479 --> 00:26:07,399
  2333. so I-- the first artist
  2334. I signed was Dennis Coffey.
  2335.  
  2336. 530
  2337. 00:26:07,649 --> 00:26:09,859
  2338. -[interviewer] The first 45 I ever bought.
  2339. -Really?
  2340.  
  2341. 531
  2342. 00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:12,487
  2343. I gave you money
  2344. from the first time I had some money.
  2345.  
  2346. 532
  2347. 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,656
  2348. -[chuckles]
  2349. -I spent my allowance on that.
  2350.  
  2351. 533
  2352. 00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:15,949
  2353. -You did?
  2354. -Yes.
  2355.  
  2356. 534
  2357. 00:26:16,032 --> 00:26:17,158
  2358. Bullshit.
  2359.  
  2360. 535
  2361. 00:26:17,242 --> 00:26:19,119
  2362. [laughs]
  2363.  
  2364. 536
  2365. 00:26:19,202 --> 00:26:23,707
  2366. Dennis Coffey,
  2367. the Detroit Guitar Band, and "Scorpio."
  2368.  
  2369. 537
  2370. 00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:26,918
  2371. [funk continues to play]
  2372.  
  2373. 538
  2374. 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,547
  2375. [George] And I had no idea...
  2376.  
  2377. 539
  2378. 00:26:32,215 --> 00:26:33,717
  2379. that Dennis Coffey was white.
  2380.  
  2381. 540
  2382. 00:26:39,306 --> 00:26:41,349
  2383. It just was a funky, funky, funky record.
  2384.  
  2385. 541
  2386. 00:26:43,226 --> 00:26:45,437
  2387. [Nicole] "Scorpio" went to number one
  2388. on the black charts,
  2389.  
  2390. 542
  2391. 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,732
  2392. and then the black DJs found out
  2393.  
  2394. 543
  2395. 00:26:48,815 --> 00:26:50,650
  2396. that Dennis Coffey was white...
  2397.  
  2398. 544
  2399. 00:26:52,235 --> 00:26:54,070
  2400. and were very upset,
  2401. and they called my father
  2402.  
  2403. 545
  2404. 00:26:54,154 --> 00:26:56,281
  2405. and said,
  2406. "You didn't tell us he was white.
  2407.  
  2408. 546
  2409. 00:26:56,364 --> 00:26:57,574
  2410. We didn't know he was white."
  2411.  
  2412. 547
  2413. 00:26:57,657 --> 00:27:00,076
  2414. My dad said,
  2415. "Who gives a shit what he is? It's music."
  2416.  
  2417. 548
  2418. 00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:04,664
  2419. [George] It speaks to the fact
  2420. that Sussex wasn't a stereotypical label.
  2421.  
  2422. 549
  2423. 00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:08,376
  2424. [Avant]
  2425. Everybody wanted to be Berry Gordy.
  2426.  
  2427. 550
  2428. 00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:10,420
  2429. But I changed that around.
  2430.  
  2431. 551
  2432. 00:27:11,046 --> 00:27:12,464
  2433. So what I did,
  2434.  
  2435. 552
  2436. 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:15,592
  2437. instead of going with black acts,
  2438.  
  2439. 553
  2440. 00:27:16,217 --> 00:27:17,677
  2441. I had white acts.
  2442.  
  2443. 554
  2444. 00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:19,262
  2445. Wednesday,
  2446.  
  2447. 555
  2448. 00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:21,723
  2449. Wadsworth Mansion,
  2450.  
  2451. 556
  2452. 00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:23,600
  2453. the Gallery. The Gallery had a record
  2454.  
  2455. 557
  2456. 00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:26,394
  2457. called "It's So Nice to Be with You."
  2458. Number one.
  2459.  
  2460. 558
  2461. 00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:29,856
  2462. ♪ Ah, it's so nice to be with you ♪
  2463.  
  2464. 559
  2465. 00:27:29,939 --> 00:27:33,568
  2466. ♪ I love all the things you say and do ♪
  2467.  
  2468. 560
  2469. 00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:35,654
  2470. [man] There was nobody else
  2471. doing anything like that
  2472.  
  2473. 561
  2474. 00:27:35,737 --> 00:27:36,780
  2475. in those days.
  2476.  
  2477. 562
  2478. 00:27:36,863 --> 00:27:40,575
  2479. A black-owned label
  2480. that had all these different things.
  2481.  
  2482. 563
  2483. 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,160
  2484. That's the unorthodox Clarence,
  2485.  
  2486. 564
  2487. 00:27:42,243 --> 00:27:44,788
  2488. not gonna follow a script,
  2489. not gonna do what he's supposed to do,
  2490.  
  2491. 565
  2492. 00:27:44,871 --> 00:27:46,164
  2493. not gonna do what's expected.
  2494.  
  2495. 566
  2496. 00:27:48,291 --> 00:27:52,754
  2497. [Avant] I met Rodriguez
  2498. by way of Dennis Coffey, and...
  2499.  
  2500. 567
  2501. 00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:56,716
  2502. I liked his music. Liked his sound.
  2503.  
  2504. 568
  2505. 00:27:58,593 --> 00:28:00,595
  2506. [Mitchell]
  2507. He saw the world was a bigger place.
  2508.  
  2509. 569
  2510. 00:28:01,221 --> 00:28:03,890
  2511. He's saying that there are so many voices
  2512. that ought to be heard,
  2513.  
  2514. 570
  2515. 00:28:03,973 --> 00:28:06,267
  2516. I want everybody to hear what I hear
  2517. in these voices.
  2518.  
  2519. 571
  2520. 00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:09,396
  2521. ["Crucify Your Mind" playing]
  2522.  
  2523. 572
  2524. 00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:11,564
  2525. [Avant] He was one of my favorite artists.
  2526.  
  2527. 573
  2528. 00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:12,941
  2529. But you couldn't give it away.
  2530.  
  2531. 574
  2532. 00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:16,027
  2533. It took 40-some years.
  2534.  
  2535. 575
  2536. 00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:19,239
  2537. And it started in South Africa.
  2538.  
  2539. 576
  2540. 00:28:19,823 --> 00:28:23,660
  2541. So, long after Sixto cut his records
  2542. in Detroit for Clarence,
  2543.  
  2544. 577
  2545. 00:28:23,743 --> 00:28:26,121
  2546. and everyone thought
  2547. it was over and done with,
  2548.  
  2549. 578
  2550. 00:28:26,204 --> 00:28:29,290
  2551. he developed this cult following
  2552. in South Africa.
  2553.  
  2554. 579
  2555. 00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:31,960
  2556. [Nicole] South Africa is under apartheid.
  2557.  
  2558. 580
  2559. 00:28:32,043 --> 00:28:33,920
  2560. They ban the album.
  2561.  
  2562. 581
  2563. 00:28:34,003 --> 00:28:35,004
  2564. The government literally--
  2565.  
  2566. 582
  2567. 00:28:35,088 --> 00:28:38,007
  2568. It was against the law
  2569. to sell any of his albums.
  2570.  
  2571. 583
  2572. 00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:42,846
  2573. ♪ Something you call unique... ♪
  2574.  
  2575. 584
  2576. 00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:44,806
  2577. [Traylor]
  2578. The white-run South African government
  2579.  
  2580. 585
  2581. 00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:46,433
  2582. was brutally oppressive.
  2583.  
  2584. 586
  2585. 00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:50,395
  2586. And Rodriguez's music
  2587. was inspiring people to oppose
  2588.  
  2589. 587
  2590. 00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:51,688
  2591. the policy of apartheid.
  2592.  
  2593. 588
  2594. 00:28:51,938 --> 00:28:53,940
  2595. ♪ As the tears rolled down your cheek... ♪
  2596.  
  2597. 589
  2598. 00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:56,651
  2599. There was just
  2600. so much bootlegging going on with that.
  2601.  
  2602. 590
  2603. 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,987
  2604. But for the movie,
  2605.  
  2606. 591
  2607. 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:00,780
  2608. nobody would've known about it.
  2609.  
  2610. 592
  2611. 00:29:01,698 --> 00:29:04,367
  2612. [Nicole] I watched my dad
  2613. smile through that movie like,
  2614.  
  2615. 593
  2616. 00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:07,412
  2617. "Oh, finally,
  2618. everybody gets to see what I saw.
  2619.  
  2620. 594
  2621. 00:29:07,495 --> 00:29:09,664
  2622. I wasn't crazy
  2623. to take a chance on this guy.
  2624.  
  2625. 595
  2626. 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:11,958
  2627. I wasn't crazy to put all my money
  2628. in for this guy.
  2629.  
  2630. 596
  2631. 00:29:12,041 --> 00:29:15,128
  2632. I wasn't crazy to mortgage my house.
  2633. I wasn't crazy. Like, I was right!"
  2634.  
  2635. 597
  2636. 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:19,841
  2637. Rodriguez was, to me,
  2638. he was a brilliant writer.
  2639.  
  2640. 598
  2641. 00:29:20,049 --> 00:29:21,426
  2642. So was Bill Withers.
  2643.  
  2644. 599
  2645. 00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:25,138
  2646. ♪ Mm-hmm ♪
  2647.  
  2648. 600
  2649. 00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:28,683
  2650. ♪ Mm-hmm ♪
  2651.  
  2652. 601
  2653. 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:31,811
  2654. ♪ Mm-hmm ♪
  2655.  
  2656. 602
  2657. 00:29:35,106 --> 00:29:41,196
  2658. ♪ Grandma's hand clapped in church
  2659. On Sunday morning ♪
  2660.  
  2661. 603
  2662. 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:47,952
  2663. ♪ Grandma's hands
  2664. Played a tambourine so well ♪
  2665.  
  2666. 604
  2667. 00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:50,079
  2668. [Avant] Bill came to see me.
  2669.  
  2670. 605
  2671. 00:29:51,706 --> 00:29:54,959
  2672. He said, "I've been to all the labels.
  2673. I guess you'll be the last one."
  2674.  
  2675. 606
  2676. 00:29:55,043 --> 00:29:56,878
  2677. I said, "Well, you have to wait and see."
  2678.  
  2679. 607
  2680. 00:29:56,961 --> 00:30:00,673
  2681. I remember getting a taste
  2682. of Clarence's personality when...
  2683.  
  2684. 608
  2685. 00:30:03,134 --> 00:30:05,386
  2686. ...I went up there,
  2687. then they had cassettes,
  2688.  
  2689. 609
  2690. 00:30:06,262 --> 00:30:08,640
  2691. and I played "Grandma's Hands" for him.
  2692.  
  2693. 610
  2694. 00:30:08,723 --> 00:30:11,059
  2695. And he got up and ran around the desk,
  2696. and I thought,
  2697.  
  2698. 611
  2699. 00:30:11,142 --> 00:30:13,770
  2700. "What kinda guy is gonna run..." You know.
  2701.  
  2702. 612
  2703. 00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:15,271
  2704. [Avant] You didn't hear many records
  2705.  
  2706. 613
  2707. 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,857
  2708. of people talking about grandmothers,
  2709. but everybody has one.
  2710.  
  2711. 614
  2712. 00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:21,319
  2713. It just resonated with me, and I said,
  2714. "Wow, this guy has got it!"
  2715.  
  2716. 615
  2717. 00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:23,905
  2718. He said, "Do you have enough songs
  2719. to make an album?"
  2720.  
  2721. 616
  2722. 00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:24,989
  2723. And I said, "Yes."
  2724.  
  2725. 617
  2726. 00:30:26,282 --> 00:30:27,158
  2727. That was it.
  2728.  
  2729. 618
  2730. 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:29,369
  2731. Oh, Jesus Christ. Bill.
  2732.  
  2733. 619
  2734. 00:30:29,953 --> 00:30:32,831
  2735. [as Bill Withers]
  2736. ♪ Ain't no sunshine when she's gone ♪
  2737.  
  2738. 620
  2739. 00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:34,666
  2740. I mean, come on, man.
  2741.  
  2742. 621
  2743. 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:36,626
  2744. ["Ain't No Sunshine" plays]
  2745.  
  2746. 622
  2747. 00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:39,754
  2748. ♪ Ain't no sunshine when she's gone ♪
  2749.  
  2750. 623
  2751. 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,882
  2752. ♪ And she's always gone too long ♪
  2753.  
  2754. 624
  2755. 00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:46,386
  2756. ♪ Anytime she goes away... ♪
  2757.  
  2758. 625
  2759. 00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:48,513
  2760. [strumming guitar]
  2761.  
  2762. 626
  2763. 00:30:48,721 --> 00:30:50,890
  2764. -Bill was not a--
  2765. -He wasn't obvious.
  2766.  
  2767. 627
  2768. 00:30:50,974 --> 00:30:53,142
  2769. He wasn't an obvious star whatsoever.
  2770.  
  2771. 628
  2772. 00:30:53,434 --> 00:30:56,104
  2773. And Bill will tell you that himself.
  2774. "I don't know what he saw."
  2775.  
  2776. 629
  2777. 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,525
  2778. [George] Bill Withers is interesting
  2779. because he expands what...
  2780.  
  2781. 630
  2782. 00:31:01,067 --> 00:31:02,318
  2783. commercial black music is,
  2784.  
  2785. 631
  2786. 00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:05,405
  2787. in that Bill looks like a folk artist.
  2788.  
  2789. 632
  2790. 00:31:05,488 --> 00:31:08,032
  2791. ♪ I know, I know, I know, I know... ♪
  2792.  
  2793. 633
  2794. 00:31:08,157 --> 00:31:12,203
  2795. [George] He's sitting there with a,
  2796. you know, acoustic guitar on a chair,
  2797.  
  2798. 634
  2799. 00:31:12,287 --> 00:31:17,292
  2800. but around the frame of him
  2801. was a really great, funky R&B thing.
  2802.  
  2803. 635
  2804. 00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:21,379
  2805. ♪ I know, I know, hey
  2806. I oughtta leave the young thing alone ♪
  2807.  
  2808. 636
  2809. 00:31:21,462 --> 00:31:25,508
  2810. ♪ But ain't no sunshine
  2811. when she's gone... ♪
  2812.  
  2813. 637
  2814. 00:31:25,592 --> 00:31:29,554
  2815. Clarence is like that. He's, you know--
  2816. He's a little to the left, you know,
  2817.  
  2818. 638
  2819. 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:32,473
  2820. uh, in terms of how
  2821. he sees and does things.
  2822.  
  2823. 639
  2824. 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:34,517
  2825. And that's what makes him unique.
  2826.  
  2827. 640
  2828. 00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:37,562
  2829. Clarence made
  2830. some great choices musically.
  2831.  
  2832. 641
  2833. 00:31:37,645 --> 00:31:40,356
  2834. "Lean on Me" was not my choice
  2835. for a single.
  2836.  
  2837. 642
  2838. 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,442
  2839. [playing "Lean On Me"]
  2840.  
  2841. 643
  2842. 00:31:44,819 --> 00:31:45,945
  2843. [Withers] I wasn't some kid.
  2844.  
  2845. 644
  2846. 00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,114
  2847. I mean, I was 30-something years old,
  2848.  
  2849. 645
  2850. 00:31:48,197 --> 00:31:52,118
  2851. and, you know,
  2852. I had a whole life behind me.
  2853.  
  2854. 646
  2855. 00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:57,040
  2856. And so,
  2857. I will always be indebted to Clarence
  2858.  
  2859. 647
  2860. 00:31:57,123 --> 00:32:00,877
  2861. because he provided the big leap for me.
  2862.  
  2863. 648
  2864. 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,714
  2865. From being
  2866. a professional aircraft mechanic
  2867.  
  2868. 649
  2869. 00:32:05,256 --> 00:32:06,841
  2870. over into this world.
  2871.  
  2872. 650
  2873. 00:32:09,052 --> 00:32:14,140
  2874. ♪ Sometimes in our lives ♪
  2875.  
  2876. 651
  2877. 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,684
  2878. ♪ We all have things... ♪
  2879.  
  2880. 652
  2881. 00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:19,520
  2882. The person that's responsible
  2883. for your transition,
  2884.  
  2885. 653
  2886. 00:32:20,229 --> 00:32:22,440
  2887. that's the key to you changing your life.
  2888.  
  2889. 654
  2890. 00:32:22,523 --> 00:32:24,067
  2891. ♪ Lean on me ♪
  2892.  
  2893. 655
  2894. 00:32:25,818 --> 00:32:28,738
  2895. ♪ When you're not strong... ♪
  2896.  
  2897. 656
  2898. 00:32:28,821 --> 00:32:31,741
  2899. Those songs are just so huge.
  2900.  
  2901. 657
  2902. 00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:34,577
  2903. I mean, even today. It's...
  2904. You can't really...
  2905.  
  2906. 658
  2907. 00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:39,040
  2908. spend a lot of time listening to music
  2909. without hearing some Bill Withers.
  2910.  
  2911. 659
  2912. 00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:40,708
  2913. -They've stood the test of time.
  2914. -Yeah.
  2915.  
  2916. 660
  2917. 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,794
  2918. We will never forget "Lean on Me."
  2919.  
  2920. 661
  2921. 00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:47,090
  2922. That's as famous
  2923. as "The Star-Spangled Banner."
  2924.  
  2925. 662
  2926. 00:32:48,341 --> 00:32:50,551
  2927. We still work every day
  2928. at what we do, right?
  2929.  
  2930. 663
  2931. 00:32:50,635 --> 00:32:52,095
  2932. Still trying to do that.
  2933.  
  2934. 664
  2935. 00:32:52,178 --> 00:32:53,221
  2936. [chuckling]
  2937.  
  2938. 665
  2939. 00:32:53,304 --> 00:32:56,516
  2940. After all these years.
  2941. Still trying to find that one classic
  2942.  
  2943. 666
  2944. 00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:00,311
  2945. that will stand the test of time.
  2946. Clarence did it... a few times.
  2947.  
  2948. 667
  2949. 00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:03,898
  2950. [Withers]
  2951. Well, I'm from Slab Fork, West Virginia.
  2952.  
  2953. 668
  2954. 00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:09,070
  2955. What's the odds of two guys
  2956. from Slab Fork, West Virginia,
  2957.  
  2958. 669
  2959. 00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:11,739
  2960. and Climax, North Carolina,
  2961.  
  2962. 670
  2963. 00:33:13,032 --> 00:33:16,744
  2964. making a fuss... in Hollywood?
  2965.  
  2966. 671
  2967. 00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:21,541
  2968. Yeah, I had some hit records.
  2969.  
  2970. 672
  2971. 00:33:21,624 --> 00:33:23,710
  2972. You know. Hey.
  2973.  
  2974. 673
  2975. 00:33:25,253 --> 00:33:28,006
  2976. I think that's the real tribute
  2977.  
  2978. 674
  2979. 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:30,383
  2980. to Clarence's ear,
  2981. is that he had a feeling
  2982.  
  2983. 675
  2984. 00:33:30,466 --> 00:33:32,969
  2985. for whatever wasn't being done
  2986. at the time.
  2987.  
  2988. 676
  2989. 00:33:33,052 --> 00:33:35,179
  2990. Must've been kind of a lonely place
  2991. for him.
  2992.  
  2993. 677
  2994. 00:33:36,347 --> 00:33:39,058
  2995. For all that kind of brusqueness
  2996. and loudness,
  2997.  
  2998. 678
  2999. 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,185
  3000. it's never a one-way street with him.
  3001.  
  3002. 679
  3003. 00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:42,437
  3004. He's not just talking
  3005.  
  3006. 680
  3007. 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,857
  3008. to be heard, but he's talking to provoke.
  3009.  
  3010. 681
  3011. 00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:48,568
  3012. I wanted to do a tribute
  3013. to Smokey Robinson,
  3014.  
  3015. 682
  3016. 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,737
  3017. and I was talking to Don Cornelius,
  3018.  
  3019. 683
  3020. 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,781
  3021. but Don said,
  3022. "You need to talk to Clarence Avant."
  3023.  
  3024. 684
  3025. 00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:56,117
  3026. He gave me a number, I called Clarence,
  3027.  
  3028. 685
  3029. 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,785
  3030. and he answered the phone.
  3031.  
  3032. 686
  3033. 00:33:58,536 --> 00:33:59,620
  3034. "Hello, who's this?"
  3035.  
  3036. 687
  3037. 00:34:00,121 --> 00:34:01,706
  3038. I said, "This is Danny Bakewell."
  3039.  
  3040. 688
  3041. 00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:04,083
  3042. I said-- He said, "Well, who is that?"
  3043.  
  3044. 689
  3045. 00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:05,334
  3046. And he says-- So I said,
  3047.  
  3048. 690
  3049. 00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:07,795
  3050. "Well, I'm the head
  3051. of the Brotherhood Crusade."
  3052.  
  3053. 691
  3054. 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:09,464
  3055. And, you know, he said, "Well,
  3056.  
  3057. 692
  3058. 00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:12,133
  3059. what do y'all sing?
  3060. What's the name-- What's your group?"
  3061.  
  3062. 693
  3063. 00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:13,176
  3064. "We don't have a group.
  3065.  
  3066. 694
  3067. 00:34:13,259 --> 00:34:15,261
  3068. This is a civil rights organization,
  3069. we wanna talk."
  3070.  
  3071. 695
  3072. 00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:17,472
  3073. He  said, "I don't talk
  3074. to no civil rights organization.
  3075.  
  3076. 696
  3077. 00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:20,308
  3078. I'm sick of these niggas."
  3079. You know? Then he hung up the phone.
  3080.  
  3081. 697
  3082. 00:34:20,391 --> 00:34:23,227
  3083. So I was like, "Now, wha-- Who is this?"
  3084.  
  3085. 698
  3086. 00:34:23,644 --> 00:34:26,189
  3087. So... I called back.
  3088.  
  3089. 699
  3090. 00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:31,110
  3091. And he said, "Man, I told you,
  3092. I don't want to do no civil rights.
  3093.  
  3094. 700
  3095. 00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:32,862
  3096. Okay? I'm trying to make some money."
  3097.  
  3098. 701
  3099. 00:34:32,945 --> 00:34:35,823
  3100. I said, "What I was doing is talking
  3101. about self-help,
  3102.  
  3103. 702
  3104. 00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:37,325
  3105. you know, and mutual aid.
  3106.  
  3107. 703
  3108. 00:34:37,408 --> 00:34:40,453
  3109. We have to do something for ourselves,
  3110. have to stop standing on the sidelines,
  3111.  
  3112. 704
  3113. 00:34:40,536 --> 00:34:43,623
  3114. asking white folks to do something
  3115. for us that we could do for ourselves."
  3116.  
  3117. 705
  3118. 00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:45,708
  3119. He said, "I like that!
  3120. That's what I'm all about!"
  3121.  
  3122. 706
  3123. 00:34:46,959 --> 00:34:51,297
  3124. And as I began to know Clarence,
  3125. I realized that he was a lone stranger
  3126.  
  3127. 707
  3128. 00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:52,757
  3129. in the world he was operating in,
  3130.  
  3131. 708
  3132. 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,676
  3133. because he didn't dance, he didn't sing.
  3134.  
  3135. 709
  3136. 00:34:56,260 --> 00:35:00,890
  3137. You know, he was in the music business,
  3138. but he was so much more than that.
  3139.  
  3140. 710
  3141. 00:35:00,973 --> 00:35:03,893
  3142. Right now, we turn our attention
  3143. to the Soul Train Gang,
  3144.  
  3145. 711
  3146. 00:35:03,976 --> 00:35:06,771
  3147. the Soul Train Line,
  3148. and a master storyteller,
  3149.  
  3150. 712
  3151. 00:35:06,854 --> 00:35:08,064
  3152. Mr. Curtis Mayfield.
  3153.  
  3154. 713
  3155. 00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:10,316
  3156. [Avant] You would have never heard
  3157.  
  3158. 714
  3159. 00:35:10,399 --> 00:35:13,319
  3160. 95 percent of black artists
  3161.  
  3162. 715
  3163. 00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:15,571
  3164. without Soul Train.
  3165.  
  3166. 716
  3167. 00:35:16,489 --> 00:35:18,491
  3168. [funk music playing]
  3169.  
  3170. 717
  3171. 00:35:24,163 --> 00:35:26,290
  3172. [George] Soul Train was the weapon
  3173. of the movement
  3174.  
  3175. 718
  3176. 00:35:26,374 --> 00:35:27,959
  3177. that it didn't know it had,
  3178. which was joy.
  3179.  
  3180. 719
  3181. 00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:31,462
  3182. Before Soul Train,
  3183.  
  3184. 720
  3185. 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:32,547
  3186. there had never been
  3187.  
  3188. 721
  3189. 00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:36,884
  3190. a weekly program show on national TV
  3191.  
  3192. 722
  3193. 00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:38,928
  3194. that featured black people,
  3195.  
  3196. 723
  3197. 00:35:39,011 --> 00:35:40,471
  3198. for black people,
  3199.  
  3200. 724
  3201. 00:35:40,555 --> 00:35:41,514
  3202. by black people.
  3203.  
  3204. 725
  3205. 00:35:41,597 --> 00:35:43,432
  3206. Not even anything close to it, really.
  3207.  
  3208. 726
  3209. 00:35:45,101 --> 00:35:49,230
  3210. And the amount of white people
  3211. who would experience black culture
  3212.  
  3213. 727
  3214. 00:35:49,647 --> 00:35:51,941
  3215. for the first time in an undiluted way,
  3216.  
  3217. 728
  3218. 00:35:52,024 --> 00:35:55,027
  3219. that was-- Soul Train was that for them.
  3220. And they couldn't get enough of it.
  3221.  
  3222. 729
  3223. 00:35:55,111 --> 00:35:59,157
  3224. Welcome aboard, you're right on time
  3225. for another sweet ride on the Soul Train.
  3226.  
  3227. 730
  3228. 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:03,953
  3229. The unbelievable Al Green coming at you,
  3230. right after this important message.
  3231.  
  3232. 731
  3233. 00:36:04,036 --> 00:36:05,663
  3234. [man clears throat]
  3235. Haven't you forgotten something?
  3236.  
  3237. 732
  3238. 00:36:05,746 --> 00:36:07,707
  3239. Hey, aren't you Frederick Douglass?
  3240.  
  3241. 733
  3242. 00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:10,668
  3243. Yeah, we studied about you
  3244. in school yesterday.
  3245.  
  3246. 734
  3247. 00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:13,212
  3248. About how you were a slave,
  3249. and how you took your own freedom,
  3250.  
  3251. 735
  3252. 00:36:13,296 --> 00:36:15,214
  3253. and then began to fight for freedom
  3254. and dignity
  3255.  
  3256. 736
  3257. 00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:16,507
  3258. for all our people.
  3259.  
  3260. 737
  3261. 00:36:16,591 --> 00:36:17,800
  3262. Say, but what did I forget?
  3263.  
  3264. 738
  3265. 00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:20,595
  3266. Are you gonna go out into the world
  3267. with your hair looking like that?
  3268.  
  3269. 739
  3270. 00:36:21,137 --> 00:36:22,638
  3271. [George] You have a black TV show
  3272.  
  3273. 740
  3274. 00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:25,850
  3275. that is sponsored primarily
  3276. by a black hair product company.
  3277.  
  3278. 741
  3279. 00:36:26,934 --> 00:36:31,480
  3280. Dick Clark had been the king
  3281. of youth culture and dance TV
  3282.  
  3283. 742
  3284. 00:36:31,564 --> 00:36:34,025
  3285. since he joined American Bandstand
  3286. in the '60s.
  3287.  
  3288. 743
  3289. 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,985
  3290. [swing music playing]
  3291.  
  3292. 744
  3293. 00:36:36,068 --> 00:36:39,655
  3294. Almost every act who would pop,
  3295. in any sense, played Bandstand.
  3296.  
  3297. 745
  3298. 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:44,243
  3299. Every new dance that became hot
  3300. around the country was on Bandstand.
  3301.  
  3302. 746
  3303. 00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:47,079
  3304. So Bandstand was a big, big force
  3305. in the culture.
  3306.  
  3307. 747
  3308. 00:36:48,247 --> 00:36:51,918
  3309. And Soul Train was--
  3310. really, really threatened that,
  3311.  
  3312. 748
  3313. 00:36:52,001 --> 00:36:55,463
  3314. because it was a new style for America.
  3315.  
  3316. 749
  3317. 00:36:55,546 --> 00:36:58,466
  3318. Soul Train, you know,
  3319. was obviously doing very very well.
  3320.  
  3321. 750
  3322. 00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,468
  3323. And Dick Clark had...
  3324.  
  3325. 751
  3326. 00:37:01,010 --> 00:37:04,472
  3327. um, unfortunately created
  3328.  
  3329. 752
  3330. 00:37:04,555 --> 00:37:05,973
  3331. a competing dance show.
  3332.  
  3333. 753
  3334. 00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:07,808
  3335. Hello! Thank you very much!
  3336.  
  3337. 754
  3338. 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:09,477
  3339. Let me get untangled
  3340. from this cord here.
  3341.  
  3342. 755
  3343. 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,479
  3344. [George] He starts this show
  3345. called Soul Unlimited
  3346.  
  3347. 756
  3348. 00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:14,398
  3349. and gets
  3350. a pseudo-Don Cornelius host on it.
  3351.  
  3352. 757
  3353. 00:37:14,482 --> 00:37:16,484
  3354. Did you like Japan a lot?
  3355.  
  3356. 758
  3357. 00:37:16,776 --> 00:37:18,152
  3358. Yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah.
  3359.  
  3360. 759
  3361. 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,988
  3362. [George] He's on ABC. It was gonna come on
  3363. after American Bandstand.
  3364.  
  3365. 760
  3366. 00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:22,365
  3367. It's gonna have a big preview.
  3368.  
  3369. 761
  3370. 00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:24,450
  3371. Also, its advertisers.
  3372.  
  3373. 762
  3374. 00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:28,371
  3375. [Tony] It came to Dick Clark
  3376. versus Don Cornelius.
  3377.  
  3378. 763
  3379. 00:37:28,788 --> 00:37:31,582
  3380. My father actually was fighting
  3381. for his life.
  3382.  
  3383. 764
  3384. 00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:34,418
  3385. [Avant] Dick Clark approached me,
  3386.  
  3387. 765
  3388. 00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:35,878
  3389. and he wanted me to endorse it.
  3390.  
  3391. 766
  3392. 00:37:35,962 --> 00:37:38,339
  3393. Now remember, I was a consultant at ABC.
  3394.  
  3395. 767
  3396. 00:37:38,422 --> 00:37:39,966
  3397. That's why he came to me.
  3398.  
  3399. 768
  3400. 00:37:40,841 --> 00:37:43,135
  3401. Dick Clark offered me a lot of money
  3402.  
  3403. 769
  3404. 00:37:43,761 --> 00:37:44,595
  3405. to do it.
  3406.  
  3407. 770
  3408. 00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:46,430
  3409. I said no.
  3410.  
  3411. 771
  3412. 00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:49,725
  3413. So, what I did,
  3414.  
  3415. 772
  3416. 00:37:50,309 --> 00:37:51,310
  3417. I went to New York.
  3418.  
  3419. 773
  3420. 00:37:52,561 --> 00:37:55,273
  3421. I said, "If you let Dick Clark go for it,
  3422.  
  3423. 774
  3424. 00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:58,067
  3425. I will put people
  3426. in the street that will--"
  3427.  
  3428. 775
  3429. 00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:00,403
  3430. I didn't know what I was gonna do.
  3431. You say all that shit,
  3432.  
  3433. 776
  3434. 00:38:00,486 --> 00:38:01,696
  3435. the white people got scared.
  3436.  
  3437. 777
  3438. 00:38:01,779 --> 00:38:03,906
  3439. He had the ability to walk in a room,
  3440.  
  3441. 778
  3442. 00:38:05,324 --> 00:38:08,536
  3443. tell people
  3444. exactly what they needed to hear.
  3445.  
  3446. 779
  3447. 00:38:09,245 --> 00:38:11,372
  3448. And if you were smart, you listened.
  3449.  
  3450. 780
  3451. 00:38:11,872 --> 00:38:14,667
  3452. [Avant]
  3453. And the decision was made bluntly.
  3454.  
  3455. 781
  3456. 00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:18,129
  3457. ABC would not move forward
  3458. with Soul Unlimited.
  3459.  
  3460. 782
  3461. 00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:20,339
  3462. So I won that battle.
  3463.  
  3464. 783
  3465. 00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:24,885
  3466. [Tony] Clarence came to my father's aid
  3467. and did his magic.
  3468.  
  3469. 784
  3470. 00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:28,389
  3471. I'm Don Cornelius,
  3472. and as always in parting,
  3473.  
  3474. 785
  3475. 00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:31,767
  3476. we wish you love, peace, and soul!
  3477.  
  3478. 786
  3479. 00:38:34,228 --> 00:38:36,647
  3480. [Avant]
  3481. Yeah, I helped a lot of people, but...
  3482.  
  3483. 787
  3484. 00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:42,153
  3485. my job, so far as I'm concerned,
  3486. is to move us forward, period.
  3487.  
  3488. 788
  3489. 00:38:42,236 --> 00:38:45,031
  3490. That's all he's done.
  3491. That's all he's ever done, anyway.
  3492.  
  3493. 789
  3494. 00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:45,948
  3495. You know, um...
  3496.  
  3497. 790
  3498. 00:38:47,074 --> 00:38:48,617
  3499. just help those who need help.
  3500.  
  3501. 791
  3502. 00:38:49,201 --> 00:38:51,120
  3503. But he's never forgotten, you know...
  3504.  
  3505. 792
  3506. 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:56,792
  3507. the hardships.
  3508. Never, you know, forgotten the pain.
  3509.  
  3510. 793
  3511. 00:38:57,460 --> 00:39:00,129
  3512. 'Cause equality drives him.
  3513.  
  3514. 794
  3515. 00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:03,007
  3516. But I do think it's from his childhood.
  3517.  
  3518. 795
  3519. 00:39:03,257 --> 00:39:06,594
  3520. [Avant] We were poor, man.
  3521. I'm talking about poor, poor, poor.
  3522.  
  3523. 796
  3524. 00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:10,473
  3525. We had chicken feet soup,
  3526. we were so goddamn poor.
  3527.  
  3528. 797
  3529. 00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:14,310
  3530. Now if Quincy was here, he would say,
  3531. "Well, you're from Climax."
  3532.  
  3533. 798
  3534. 00:39:14,393 --> 00:39:15,269
  3535. That's not true.
  3536.  
  3537. 799
  3538. 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:18,689
  3539. I was born in Greensboro
  3540. and raised in Climax.
  3541.  
  3542. 800
  3543. 00:39:19,899 --> 00:39:22,943
  3544. [Mitchell] There's no better place
  3545. for Clarence to come from than Climax.
  3546.  
  3547. 801
  3548. 00:39:23,235 --> 00:39:27,156
  3549. Because... [chuckles] his whole career
  3550. has been a series of climaxes
  3551.  
  3552. 802
  3553. 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,199
  3554. that shook the world.
  3555.  
  3556. 803
  3557. 00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:32,661
  3558. [Avant] There were eight children,
  3559. and me being the oldest.
  3560.  
  3561. 804
  3562. 00:39:32,995 --> 00:39:34,455
  3563. Gertrude is my mother.
  3564.  
  3565. 805
  3566. 00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:37,500
  3567. [Nicole] I just have
  3568. all these great memories of her.
  3569.  
  3570. 806
  3571. 00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:41,629
  3572. Yeah, she loved telling me stories
  3573. about her childhood, which wasn't easy.
  3574.  
  3575. 807
  3576. 00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:44,298
  3577. She did domestic work
  3578. since she was six years old.
  3579.  
  3580. 808
  3581. 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,592
  3582. You know, it wasn't--
  3583. Her parents weren't technically slaves,
  3584.  
  3585. 809
  3586. 00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:48,344
  3587. but I mean, they were.
  3588.  
  3589. 810
  3590. 00:39:48,969 --> 00:39:53,641
  3591. And she was fast with her mouth,
  3592. you know, and she didn't take any crap.
  3593.  
  3594. 811
  3595. 00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:56,185
  3596. They're very similar,
  3597. my father and my grandmother.
  3598.  
  3599. 812
  3600. 00:39:57,353 --> 00:40:00,356
  3601. I know some people in the South
  3602. where Clarence grew up.
  3603.  
  3604. 813
  3605. 00:40:00,439 --> 00:40:03,359
  3606. And I got a phone call one day
  3607. from a good friend of mine,
  3608.  
  3609. 814
  3610. 00:40:03,442 --> 00:40:05,986
  3611. and he mentioned the word "sweet potato."
  3612.  
  3613. 815
  3614. 00:40:07,029 --> 00:40:09,657
  3615. And Clarence's nickname is "sweet potato."
  3616.  
  3617. 816
  3618. 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:12,535
  3619. [Avant] 'Cause I would say,
  3620. "Everybody's got a sandwich except me!"
  3621.  
  3622. 817
  3623. 00:40:12,618 --> 00:40:14,787
  3624. "Well, you ain't got one.
  3625. Get your ass outta here."
  3626.  
  3627. 818
  3628. 00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:17,248
  3629. And I would be so embarrassed
  3630.  
  3631. 819
  3632. 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:19,667
  3633. because everybody would have--
  3634. And they would tease me.
  3635.  
  3636. 820
  3637. 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:20,751
  3638. "Sweet potato."
  3639.  
  3640. 821
  3641. 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,671
  3642. That's all I had to carry to school,
  3643. was sweet potato.
  3644.  
  3645. 822
  3646. 00:40:24,797 --> 00:40:28,134
  3647. [Nicole] Growing up, you know,
  3648. being born in 1931 in the South
  3649.  
  3650. 823
  3651. 00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:30,553
  3652. and living under Jim Crow law,
  3653.  
  3654. 824
  3655. 00:40:30,678 --> 00:40:33,431
  3656. he saw a lot of things
  3657. that nobody should see.
  3658.  
  3659. 825
  3660. 00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:37,184
  3661. [Avant] How do I describe racism then?
  3662.  
  3663. 826
  3664. 00:40:38,644 --> 00:40:40,896
  3665. The KKK was all around us.
  3666.  
  3667. 827
  3668. 00:40:41,689 --> 00:40:43,399
  3669. My mother would just tell us,
  3670.  
  3671. 828
  3672. 00:40:43,482 --> 00:40:47,570
  3673. "If you hear a car coming, run and hide,
  3674.  
  3675. 829
  3676. 00:40:47,653 --> 00:40:50,573
  3677. lay down flat."
  3678. You know, just to protect yourself.
  3679.  
  3680. 830
  3681. 00:40:51,657 --> 00:40:54,201
  3682. [interviewer] Was your father
  3683. ever with you during your childhood?
  3684.  
  3685. 831
  3686. 00:40:54,285 --> 00:40:55,911
  3687. [Avant] Nope, I was born out of wedlock.
  3688.  
  3689. 832
  3690. 00:40:57,037 --> 00:40:58,706
  3691. Well, I saw him a few times.
  3692.  
  3693. 833
  3694. 00:40:58,789 --> 00:41:01,417
  3695. He'd never give me shit,
  3696. so he didn't mean anything to me.
  3697.  
  3698. 834
  3699. 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,044
  3700. But I didn't have a father...
  3701.  
  3702. 835
  3703. 00:41:05,087 --> 00:41:06,046
  3704. per se.
  3705.  
  3706. 836
  3707. 00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:07,923
  3708. I had a stepfather.
  3709.  
  3710. 837
  3711. 00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:12,803
  3712. Gert, she was married
  3713. to a gentleman called Eddie Woods.
  3714.  
  3715. 838
  3716. 00:41:13,012 --> 00:41:15,139
  3717. And I certainly didn't get along with him.
  3718.  
  3719. 839
  3720. 00:41:16,223 --> 00:41:17,766
  3721. I knew he was very mean.
  3722.  
  3723. 840
  3724. 00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:21,312
  3725. I knew he was very abusive.
  3726. I knew he was physically abusive.
  3727.  
  3728. 841
  3729. 00:41:21,395 --> 00:41:23,606
  3730. My mother used to get
  3731. the shit beat out of her.
  3732.  
  3733. 842
  3734. 00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:25,399
  3735. And I was tired of it.
  3736.  
  3737. 843
  3738. 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:28,486
  3739. And I was like 12, 13 years old, I guess.
  3740.  
  3741. 844
  3742. 00:41:28,569 --> 00:41:31,238
  3743. So one day,
  3744. I put some rat poison in his food.
  3745.  
  3746. 845
  3747. 00:41:32,907 --> 00:41:33,741
  3748. So my...
  3749.  
  3750. 846
  3751. 00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:37,578
  3752. brother who is deceased, Weldon...
  3753. Poochie, we called him...
  3754.  
  3755. 847
  3756. 00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:40,164
  3757. Poochie said, "You better not eat that."
  3758.  
  3759. 848
  3760. 00:41:40,956 --> 00:41:42,041
  3761. I had to leave.
  3762.  
  3763. 849
  3764. 00:41:45,544 --> 00:41:48,881
  3765. I went to my Aunt Annie
  3766. in Summit, New Jersey.
  3767.  
  3768. 850
  3769. 00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:53,636
  3770. And I had never been on a train before
  3771. or anything like that.
  3772.  
  3773. 851
  3774. 00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:57,056
  3775. And after going to New Jersey,
  3776.  
  3777. 852
  3778. 00:41:57,556 --> 00:41:59,683
  3779. it was a whole new world
  3780. that I had never even--
  3781.  
  3782. 853
  3783. 00:41:59,767 --> 00:42:01,101
  3784. couldn't even imagine.
  3785.  
  3786. 854
  3787. 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,020
  3788. If he hadn't left the South--
  3789.  
  3790. 855
  3791. 00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:06,106
  3792. and especially, he was in the Carolinas
  3793. in the period he was in--
  3794.  
  3795. 856
  3796. 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:09,485
  3797. the opportunity for him
  3798. to move forward was very limited.
  3799.  
  3800. 857
  3801. 00:42:09,568 --> 00:42:11,403
  3802. Especially someone
  3803. who didn't have an education,
  3804.  
  3805. 858
  3806. 00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:12,905
  3807. wasn't part of any black elite.
  3808.  
  3809. 859
  3810. 00:42:12,988 --> 00:42:15,824
  3811. The Great Migration had started
  3812. in the '20s, really,
  3813.  
  3814. 860
  3815. 00:42:15,908 --> 00:42:20,371
  3816. and '30s, and '40s, '50s,
  3817. scores of black Americans went north.
  3818.  
  3819. 861
  3820. 00:42:20,913 --> 00:42:25,668
  3821. So Clarence ended up in New Jersey,
  3822. which is where his aunt lived.
  3823.  
  3824. 862
  3825. 00:42:26,168 --> 00:42:28,963
  3826. She was the first of the Avants
  3827. to go north.
  3828.  
  3829. 863
  3830. 00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:34,051
  3831. [Avant] A few years later,
  3832. I got this job at Martindale-Hubbell.
  3833.  
  3834. 864
  3835. 00:42:34,635 --> 00:42:35,970
  3836. It was a law directory.
  3837.  
  3838. 865
  3839. 00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:39,848
  3840. "What did you do at Martindale-Hubbell?"
  3841. What did black people do in those days?
  3842.  
  3843. 866
  3844. 00:42:39,932 --> 00:42:41,600
  3845. There was no such thing
  3846. as black executives,
  3847.  
  3848. 867
  3849. 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:44,687
  3850. so you just carried books
  3851. or whatever you were doing.
  3852.  
  3853. 868
  3854. 00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:49,775
  3855. I used to watch television
  3856. or read the papers, and...
  3857.  
  3858. 869
  3859. 00:42:50,734 --> 00:42:52,319
  3860. my whole life changed...
  3861.  
  3862. 870
  3863. 00:42:53,445 --> 00:42:56,198
  3864. ...when Emmett Till got killed.
  3865.  
  3866. 871
  3867. 00:42:57,616 --> 00:43:00,286
  3868. The Emmett Till case
  3869. is one of those seminal events
  3870.  
  3871. 872
  3872. 00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:03,831
  3873. in race relations in America
  3874. that really pointed out...
  3875.  
  3876. 873
  3877. 00:43:04,665 --> 00:43:07,835
  3878. the disparity of justice
  3879. when it came to black Americans.
  3880.  
  3881. 874
  3882. 00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:10,879
  3883. Emmett Till was a young kid.
  3884.  
  3885. 875
  3886. 00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:15,551
  3887. Summer vacation, you know, went down south
  3888. with his relatives to Mississippi.
  3889.  
  3890. 876
  3891. 00:43:16,093 --> 00:43:19,054
  3892. The story goes that he saw a woman,
  3893. a white woman,
  3894.  
  3895. 877
  3896. 00:43:19,388 --> 00:43:21,849
  3897. who claims that he whistled at her.
  3898.  
  3899. 878
  3900. 00:43:23,058 --> 00:43:25,853
  3901. And he was found
  3902. the next morning brutally murdered.
  3903.  
  3904. 879
  3905. 00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:30,941
  3906. His mother brings the body
  3907. back to Chicago,
  3908.  
  3909. 880
  3910. 00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:33,235
  3911. and everyone says
  3912. it should be a closed casket,
  3913.  
  3914. 881
  3915. 00:43:33,319 --> 00:43:36,405
  3916. but no, she wants the world to see
  3917. what happened to her son.
  3918.  
  3919. 882
  3920. 00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:51,003
  3921. The photograph of Emmett Till's body is,
  3922.  
  3923. 883
  3924. 00:43:51,086 --> 00:43:53,088
  3925. you know, for kids today, it went viral.
  3926.  
  3927. 884
  3928. 00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:55,716
  3929. [Avant]
  3930. It was the day after he was killed.
  3931.  
  3932. 885
  3933. 00:43:56,925 --> 00:43:58,802
  3934. I started crying and screaming...
  3935.  
  3936. 886
  3937. 00:44:00,054 --> 00:44:01,847
  3938. how badly I hated white people.
  3939.  
  3940. 887
  3941. 00:44:03,432 --> 00:44:05,768
  3942. The gentleman that run the place,
  3943.  
  3944. 888
  3945. 00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:07,561
  3946. his name was Mr. Nofer.
  3947.  
  3948. 889
  3949. 00:44:09,063 --> 00:44:10,272
  3950. He came out...
  3951.  
  3952. 890
  3953. 00:44:10,856 --> 00:44:14,026
  3954. told me to come in his office.
  3955. Everybody knew that I was fired.
  3956.  
  3957. 891
  3958. 00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:18,614
  3959. And he said that they were all terrified
  3960. for him. Terrified.
  3961.  
  3962. 892
  3963. 00:44:19,323 --> 00:44:22,368
  3964. Not only because it was clear
  3965. that he was going to be fired,
  3966.  
  3967. 893
  3968. 00:44:22,743 --> 00:44:26,372
  3969. but, you know, you are a black man,
  3970. even in New York,
  3971.  
  3972. 894
  3973. 00:44:26,455 --> 00:44:28,290
  3974. going off about white people.
  3975.  
  3976. 895
  3977. 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:31,043
  3978. In America.
  3979.  
  3980. 896
  3981. 00:44:31,627 --> 00:44:33,629
  3982. I went in his office and... [pants]
  3983.  
  3984. 897
  3985. 00:44:33,712 --> 00:44:34,922
  3986. I sat on the couch.
  3987.  
  3988. 898
  3989. 00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:39,343
  3990. He said, "I understand your emotions."
  3991.  
  3992. 899
  3993. 00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:45,224
  3994. So he said, "I'm not gonna fire you,
  3995. but you can't do it again."
  3996.  
  3997. 900
  3998. 00:44:46,642 --> 00:44:49,395
  3999. That clearly changed my life
  4000.  
  4001. 901
  4002. 00:44:49,478 --> 00:44:52,606
  4003. in terms of civil rights,
  4004. or whatever you wanna call it.
  4005.  
  4006. 902
  4007. 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:53,857
  4008. It just changed me.
  4009.  
  4010. 903
  4011. 00:44:59,029 --> 00:45:02,449
  4012. [news anchor] Memphis is a confused
  4013. and shocked city tonight.
  4014.  
  4015. 904
  4016. 00:45:02,533 --> 00:45:04,743
  4017. No one can believe what has happened.
  4018.  
  4019. 905
  4020. 00:45:04,827 --> 00:45:08,997
  4021. It's been just a little over an hour
  4022. since Dr. Martin Luther King died
  4023.  
  4024. 906
  4025. 00:45:09,081 --> 00:45:10,582
  4026. from an assassin's bullet.
  4027.  
  4028. 907
  4029. 00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:15,295
  4030. Reverend Andrew Young,
  4031. King's top lieutenant,
  4032.  
  4033. 908
  4034. 00:45:15,379 --> 00:45:18,674
  4035. was at the hospital awaiting word
  4036. and described the shooting.
  4037.  
  4038. 909
  4039. 00:45:19,383 --> 00:45:22,594
  4040. As he came out of his room,
  4041. on the edge of the balcony,
  4042.  
  4043. 910
  4044. 00:45:22,678 --> 00:45:25,389
  4045. he was shot.
  4046. And we thought a firecracker had gone on.
  4047.  
  4048. 911
  4049. 00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:27,766
  4050. Most of us were downstairs
  4051. on the lower level.
  4052.  
  4053. 912
  4054. 00:45:28,267 --> 00:45:32,020
  4055. And we immediately ran up and saw
  4056. that he'd been pretty badly wounded
  4057.  
  4058. 913
  4059. 00:45:32,104 --> 00:45:35,858
  4060. and sent for the ambulance,
  4061. and the police, and everybody.
  4062.  
  4063. 914
  4064. 00:45:39,528 --> 00:45:44,158
  4065. [Dr. King] A man dies when he refuses
  4066. to stand up for that which is right.
  4067.  
  4068. 915
  4069. 00:45:44,908 --> 00:45:48,620
  4070. A man dies when he refuses
  4071. to stand up for justice.
  4072.  
  4073. 916
  4074. 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:49,538
  4075. [woman] Yeah!
  4076.  
  4077. 917
  4078. 00:45:49,621 --> 00:45:55,043
  4079. A man dies when he refuses to take a stand
  4080. for that which is true.
  4081.  
  4082. 918
  4083. 00:45:55,127 --> 00:45:56,962
  4084. In the wake of Dr. King's assassination,
  4085.  
  4086. 919
  4087. 00:45:57,045 --> 00:45:58,380
  4088. we wanted to do something.
  4089.  
  4090. 920
  4091. 00:46:00,048 --> 00:46:02,009
  4092. [man] Clarence had come up with the idea,
  4093.  
  4094. 921
  4095. 00:46:02,092 --> 00:46:05,429
  4096. Clarence and Jesse,
  4097. of putting on a big concert,
  4098.  
  4099. 922
  4100. 00:46:05,512 --> 00:46:08,223
  4101. a five-day kind of music festival.
  4102.  
  4103. 923
  4104. 00:46:08,724 --> 00:46:10,350
  4105. [playing piano]
  4106.  
  4107. 924
  4108. 00:46:15,105 --> 00:46:17,107
  4109. [applause]
  4110.  
  4111. 925
  4112. 00:46:24,573 --> 00:46:29,828
  4113. ♪ Oh, who really cares? ♪
  4114.  
  4115. 926
  4116. 00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:34,875
  4117. ♪ Who's willing to try ♪
  4118.  
  4119. 927
  4120. 00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:41,006
  4121. ♪ Oh, to save the world ♪
  4122.  
  4123. 928
  4124. 00:46:45,135 --> 00:46:46,887
  4125. ♪ To save our sweet world? ♪
  4126.  
  4127. 929
  4128. 00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:50,891
  4129. We happen to have with us, in the studio,
  4130. a very dear friend
  4131.  
  4132. 930
  4133. 00:46:50,974 --> 00:46:54,019
  4134. who is the executive producer
  4135. of that film.
  4136.  
  4137. 931
  4138. 00:46:54,102 --> 00:46:56,480
  4139. He's a man
  4140. who has helped many, many careers
  4141.  
  4142. 932
  4143. 00:46:56,563 --> 00:46:59,358
  4144. during his career, including my career,
  4145.  
  4146. 933
  4147. 00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:01,068
  4148. and I'd like for you
  4149. to welcome him warmly,
  4150.  
  4151. 934
  4152. 00:47:01,151 --> 00:47:03,237
  4153. Soul Train Gang, Mr. Clarence Avant.
  4154.  
  4155. 935
  4156. 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,154
  4157. [applause]
  4158.  
  4159. 936
  4160. 00:47:06,406 --> 00:47:07,616
  4161. All right.
  4162.  
  4163. 937
  4164. 00:47:07,699 --> 00:47:09,618
  4165. -How're you doing, Clarence?
  4166. -A little nervous.
  4167.  
  4168. 938
  4169. 00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:11,912
  4170. -I'm a little nervous.
  4171. -You of all people?
  4172.  
  4173. 939
  4174. 00:47:11,995 --> 00:47:13,831
  4175. -Yeah.
  4176. -Clarence...
  4177.  
  4178. 940
  4179. 00:47:14,164 --> 00:47:17,626
  4180. I'd like to get into how you got involved
  4181. in Save The Children,
  4182.  
  4183. 941
  4184. 00:47:17,709 --> 00:47:20,170
  4185. as its executive producer.
  4186.  
  4187. 942
  4188. 00:47:20,254 --> 00:47:23,298
  4189. We were able to work
  4190. with Reverend Jesse Jackson,
  4191.  
  4192. 943
  4193. 00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:25,133
  4194. come up with an idea
  4195. that this film should be made
  4196.  
  4197. 944
  4198. 00:47:25,217 --> 00:47:26,969
  4199. after looking at all that talent
  4200. out there,
  4201.  
  4202. 945
  4203. 00:47:27,052 --> 00:47:29,763
  4204. and so, in 1972, we filmed it.
  4205.  
  4206. 946
  4207. 00:47:30,347 --> 00:47:32,641
  4208. As a dealmaker,
  4209. he's the best in the business.
  4210.  
  4211. 947
  4212. 00:47:32,724 --> 00:47:36,603
  4213. There's no negotiating dealmaker
  4214. in Hollywood
  4215.  
  4216. 948
  4217. 00:47:36,895 --> 00:47:39,356
  4218. or New York better than Clarence Avant,
  4219. just none.
  4220.  
  4221. 949
  4222. 00:47:40,023 --> 00:47:42,609
  4223. [man] I used to say,
  4224. "Why do ya'll all defer to Clarence?"
  4225.  
  4226. 950
  4227. 00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:47,239
  4228. He said, "Clarence Avant's the only one
  4229. that has the muscle,"
  4230.  
  4231. 951
  4232. 00:47:47,322 --> 00:47:50,242
  4233. was the term they used,
  4234. "to get a lot of these artists."
  4235.  
  4236. 952
  4237. 00:47:50,325 --> 00:47:52,202
  4238. 'Cause you gotta remember,
  4239. in the '70s, now,
  4240.  
  4241. 953
  4242. 00:47:52,286 --> 00:47:55,998
  4243. the mob had a lot of control
  4244. in the music industry.
  4245.  
  4246. 954
  4247. 00:47:56,331 --> 00:47:57,833
  4248. I said, "He knows gangsters?"
  4249.  
  4250. 955
  4251. 00:47:57,916 --> 00:48:00,419
  4252. He knows how to talk to everybody.
  4253. He's not with them,
  4254.  
  4255. 956
  4256. 00:48:00,502 --> 00:48:02,087
  4257. but he knows how to talk to 'em.
  4258.  
  4259. 957
  4260. 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,758
  4261. I was looking for a tall, imposing man.
  4262.  
  4263. 958
  4264. 00:48:07,926 --> 00:48:10,596
  4265. And in those days, everybody was bright,
  4266.  
  4267. 959
  4268. 00:48:11,346 --> 00:48:15,183
  4269. darn near white, and curly-haired.
  4270. They used to call it "good hair."
  4271.  
  4272. 960
  4273. 00:48:15,267 --> 00:48:16,643
  4274. And this very short,
  4275.  
  4276. 961
  4277. 00:48:16,935 --> 00:48:22,482
  4278. dark-skinned brother came in,
  4279. who was very emphatic, you know,
  4280.  
  4281. 962
  4282. 00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:24,276
  4283. like a guy like your uncle at...
  4284.  
  4285. 963
  4286. 00:48:24,359 --> 00:48:25,360
  4287. [stutters]
  4288.  
  4289. 964
  4290. 00:48:25,444 --> 00:48:26,278
  4291. at a reunion.
  4292.  
  4293. 965
  4294. 00:48:26,361 --> 00:48:27,487
  4295. [imitates indistinct speech]
  4296.  
  4297. 966
  4298. 00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:29,698
  4299. One of the things that's unique
  4300. about Save The Children,
  4301.  
  4302. 967
  4303. 00:48:29,781 --> 00:48:33,911
  4304. and one reason the roster is so great,
  4305. is that it was able to bring together
  4306.  
  4307. 968
  4308. 00:48:33,994 --> 00:48:36,914
  4309. the three dominant labels
  4310. in black music at that time,
  4311.  
  4312. 969
  4313. 00:48:36,997 --> 00:48:40,375
  4314. which was Motown, Stax,
  4315. and Atlantic Records.
  4316.  
  4317. 970
  4318. 00:48:40,459 --> 00:48:44,755
  4319. No other event ever brought all
  4320. of that talent together on one stage.
  4321.  
  4322. 971
  4323. 00:48:44,838 --> 00:48:46,506
  4324. [Adolph] The film that resulted
  4325.  
  4326. 972
  4327. 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:50,052
  4328. featured the best and the brightest
  4329. of black acts of the day.
  4330.  
  4331. 973
  4332. 00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:52,804
  4333. [Rev. Sharpton]
  4334. Jesse wanted to have a black crew.
  4335.  
  4336. 974
  4337. 00:48:53,347 --> 00:48:55,974
  4338. Black this, black that, black that.
  4339.  
  4340. 975
  4341. 00:48:56,308 --> 00:48:58,018
  4342. Clarence told me I was the director.
  4343.  
  4344. 976
  4345. 00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:00,437
  4346. He said, "You the producer,
  4347. and you the director."
  4348.  
  4349. 977
  4350. 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,522
  4351. We want black folks out there
  4352. on them cameras.
  4353.  
  4354. 978
  4355. 00:49:02,606 --> 00:49:05,651
  4356. ♪ Oh, baby, give me one more chance ♪
  4357.  
  4358. 979
  4359. 00:49:05,734 --> 00:49:06,944
  4360. ♪ Show you that I love you ♪
  4361.  
  4362. 980
  4363. 00:49:07,027 --> 00:49:11,073
  4364. -♪ Won't you please let me
  4365. -♪ Back in your heart ♪
  4366.  
  4367. 981
  4368. 00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:14,368
  4369. ♪ Oh, darling, I was blind to let you go ♪
  4370.  
  4371. 982
  4372. 00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:15,786
  4373. ♪ Let you go, baby ♪
  4374.  
  4375. 983
  4376. 00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:20,082
  4377. -♪ Not since I've seen you in his arms ♪
  4378. -♪ I want you back ♪
  4379.  
  4380. 984
  4381. 00:49:20,165 --> 00:49:22,250
  4382. -♪ Yes, I do, now ♪
  4383. -♪ I want you back ♪
  4384.  
  4385. 985
  4386. 00:49:22,334 --> 00:49:24,628
  4387. -♪ Ooh, ooh, baby ♪
  4388. -♪ I want you back ♪
  4389.  
  4390. 986
  4391. 00:49:24,711 --> 00:49:26,421
  4392. -♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
  4393. -♪ I want you back ♪
  4394.  
  4395. 987
  4396. 00:49:26,505 --> 00:49:29,967
  4397. It's also got brilliant,
  4398. brillant documentary footage
  4399.  
  4400. 988
  4401. 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:32,260
  4402. of Sammy. There's an amazing section
  4403.  
  4404. 989
  4405. 00:49:32,344 --> 00:49:35,389
  4406. where he comes out
  4407. to an all-black crowd in Chicago,
  4408.  
  4409. 990
  4410. 00:49:35,472 --> 00:49:37,057
  4411. and they're booing his ass.
  4412.  
  4413. 991
  4414. 00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:39,142
  4415. [audience booing]
  4416.  
  4417. 992
  4418. 00:49:41,728 --> 00:49:45,524
  4419. If you look at that Save The Children,
  4420. he was clearly nervous.
  4421.  
  4422. 993
  4423. 00:49:45,607 --> 00:49:48,568
  4424. He was nervous
  4425. 'cause they caught him hugging Nixon, man,
  4426.  
  4427. 994
  4428. 00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:50,112
  4429. and they booed him.
  4430.  
  4431. 995
  4432. 00:49:51,279 --> 00:49:54,866
  4433. [George] Clarence convinced the naysayers
  4434. to give Sammy a place on the show,
  4435.  
  4436. 996
  4437. 00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:56,576
  4438. so he could state his case to the crowd.
  4439.  
  4440. 997
  4441. 00:49:56,910 --> 00:50:00,122
  4442. [Davis, Jr.]
  4443. Disagree, if you will, with my politics...
  4444.  
  4445. 998
  4446. 00:50:00,622 --> 00:50:01,665
  4447. [audience clamoring]
  4448.  
  4449. 999
  4450. 00:50:01,748 --> 00:50:02,666
  4451. Good.
  4452.  
  4453. 1000
  4454. 00:50:03,166 --> 00:50:04,001
  4455. Good!
  4456.  
  4457. 1001
  4458. 00:50:04,918 --> 00:50:06,878
  4459. Good, but don't...
  4460.  
  4461. 1002
  4462. 00:50:08,046 --> 00:50:11,675
  4463. I will not allow anyone to take away...
  4464.  
  4465. 1003
  4466. 00:50:12,467 --> 00:50:15,220
  4467. the fact that I am black.
  4468.  
  4469. 1004
  4470. 00:50:15,303 --> 00:50:17,806
  4471. [audience cheers]
  4472.  
  4473. 1005
  4474. 00:50:17,889 --> 00:50:19,266
  4475. And then sings, you know,
  4476.  
  4477. 1006
  4478. 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:20,726
  4479. "I Gotta Be Me."
  4480.  
  4481. 1007
  4482. 00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:27,524
  4483. ♪ Daring to try, to do it or die ♪
  4484.  
  4485. 1008
  4486. 00:50:28,567 --> 00:50:32,988
  4487. ♪ I gotta be ♪
  4488.  
  4489. 1009
  4490. 00:50:33,405 --> 00:50:39,536
  4491. ♪ Me ♪
  4492.  
  4493. 1010
  4494. 00:50:43,874 --> 00:50:45,876
  4495. -[song stops]
  4496. -[audience cheers]
  4497.  
  4498. 1011
  4499. 00:50:49,713 --> 00:50:51,882
  4500. [George] And people are crying
  4501. at the end of this thing,
  4502.  
  4503. 1012
  4504. 00:50:51,965 --> 00:50:55,260
  4505. and I'm-- You're damn near crying,
  4506. because this is not just a performance.
  4507.  
  4508. 1013
  4509. 00:50:55,343 --> 00:50:56,678
  4510. This is a man who's really saying,
  4511.  
  4512. 1014
  4513. 00:50:56,762 --> 00:50:59,973
  4514. "No, I am one of you, and I--
  4515. Don't judge me this way."
  4516.  
  4517. 1015
  4518. 00:51:02,267 --> 00:51:04,978
  4519. [Nicole]
  4520. My father has this great sense of music.
  4521.  
  4522. 1016
  4523. 00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:07,481
  4524. He understands the vibration of music.
  4525.  
  4526. 1017
  4527. 00:51:08,315 --> 00:51:11,359
  4528. He understands that music changes
  4529. the way you feel.
  4530.  
  4531. 1018
  4532. 00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:14,279
  4533. He understands the power of music.
  4534.  
  4535. 1019
  4536. 00:51:14,362 --> 00:51:15,739
  4537. I used to call him Magic,
  4538.  
  4539. 1020
  4540. 00:51:16,323 --> 00:51:21,787
  4541. because he connects all of these worlds
  4542. and makes them his reality.
  4543.  
  4544. 1021
  4545. 00:51:22,287 --> 00:51:24,915
  4546. He's in the music business.
  4547. He's in the movie bu--
  4548.  
  4549. 1022
  4550. 00:51:24,998 --> 00:51:28,418
  4551. He's in the entertainment business,
  4552. but he's also in politics.
  4553.  
  4554. 1023
  4555. 00:51:29,753 --> 00:51:32,380
  4556. [Avant]
  4557. There was a guy running for Congress.
  4558.  
  4559. 1024
  4560. 00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:35,550
  4561. He would've been the first black guy
  4562. from the South.
  4563.  
  4564. 1025
  4565. 00:51:36,301 --> 00:51:37,803
  4566. I'm Andrew Young.
  4567.  
  4568. 1026
  4569. 00:51:38,637 --> 00:51:42,099
  4570. My preparation for politics
  4571. and my previous experience
  4572.  
  4573. 1027
  4574. 00:51:42,182 --> 00:51:45,102
  4575. was somewhat different
  4576. from that of most of my colleagues.
  4577.  
  4578. 1028
  4579. 00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:48,063
  4580. That's me in St. Augustine, Florida.
  4581.  
  4582. 1029
  4583. 00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:52,984
  4584. Andy really didn't know me,
  4585. and I really didn't know him.
  4586.  
  4587. 1030
  4588. 00:51:53,568 --> 00:51:54,903
  4589. So I call Andy.
  4590.  
  4591. 1031
  4592. 00:51:55,695 --> 00:51:58,615
  4593. He called up and he said,
  4594. "You Andy Young?" I said, "Yeah."
  4595.  
  4596. 1032
  4597. 00:51:59,491 --> 00:52:03,036
  4598. He said, "You running for Congress?"
  4599. I said, "Yeah."
  4600.  
  4601. 1033
  4602. 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,081
  4603. He said, "In Georgia?" I said, "Yeah."
  4604.  
  4605. 1034
  4606. 00:52:06,665 --> 00:52:08,500
  4607. He said, "Nigga, are you crazy?"
  4608.  
  4609. 1035
  4610. 00:52:08,583 --> 00:52:10,210
  4611. [chuckles]
  4612.  
  4613. 1036
  4614. 00:52:11,294 --> 00:52:14,214
  4615. I said, "Well, I don't know.
  4616. I probably am."
  4617.  
  4618. 1037
  4619. 00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:17,092
  4620. He said,
  4621. "Well, if you crazy enough to run,
  4622.  
  4623. 1038
  4624. 00:52:17,175 --> 00:52:18,802
  4625. I'm crazy enough to try to help you.
  4626.  
  4627. 1039
  4628. 00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:22,180
  4629. What do you need?"
  4630.  
  4631. 1040
  4632. 00:52:23,557 --> 00:52:25,058
  4633. I said, "I need everything."
  4634.  
  4635. 1041
  4636. 00:52:26,059 --> 00:52:28,061
  4637. I said, "Suppose I can deliver...
  4638.  
  4639. 1042
  4640. 00:52:28,895 --> 00:52:29,896
  4641. Isaac Hayes...
  4642.  
  4643. 1043
  4644. 00:52:30,772 --> 00:52:31,815
  4645. and the Rare Earth."
  4646.  
  4647. 1044
  4648. 00:52:32,899 --> 00:52:35,777
  4649. He said, "I don't have any money!"
  4650. I said, "I didn't ask you that."
  4651.  
  4652. 1045
  4653. 00:52:35,861 --> 00:52:37,195
  4654. Andy said, next thing he knows,
  4655.  
  4656. 1046
  4657. 00:52:37,279 --> 00:52:40,240
  4658. he's driving down the street,
  4659. there's a big billboard on the street,
  4660.  
  4661. 1047
  4662. 00:52:40,323 --> 00:52:42,868
  4663. saying, "Concert coming for Andy Young,"
  4664.  
  4665. 1048
  4666. 00:52:42,951 --> 00:52:44,452
  4667. and he's got all these artists coming.
  4668.  
  4669. 1049
  4670. 00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:46,371
  4671. I mean, it was just--
  4672. it was just magical.
  4673.  
  4674. 1050
  4675. 00:52:47,622 --> 00:52:50,584
  4676. [Young] So they showed up,
  4677. and in the pouring-down rain.
  4678.  
  4679. 1051
  4680. 00:52:52,252 --> 00:52:53,753
  4681. We had 30,000 people.
  4682.  
  4683. 1052
  4684. 00:52:56,214 --> 00:52:58,675
  4685. And that launched my political campaign.
  4686.  
  4687. 1053
  4688. 00:52:59,259 --> 00:53:01,261
  4689. [funk music playing]
  4690.  
  4691. 1054
  4692. 00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,768
  4693. [Young]
  4694. My dedication is not just to blacks.
  4695.  
  4696. 1055
  4697. 00:53:09,102 --> 00:53:11,980
  4698. My dedication is to anybody
  4699. in this society
  4700.  
  4701. 1056
  4702. 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,318
  4703. that has not had an opportunity
  4704. to enjoy all of the rights 
  4705.  
  4706. 1057
  4707. 00:53:16,401 --> 00:53:18,111
  4708. and privileges of this society.
  4709.  
  4710. 1058
  4711. 00:53:20,488 --> 00:53:24,284
  4712. The one thing Mr. Glaser said to me...
  4713.  
  4714. 1059
  4715. 00:53:26,203 --> 00:53:28,830
  4716. You have no rights
  4717. unless you have the right to vote.
  4718.  
  4719. 1060
  4720. 00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:33,585
  4721. I believe in, heavily,
  4722. in the political system. Period.
  4723.  
  4724. 1061
  4725. 00:53:34,461 --> 00:53:36,046
  4726. His attraction to politics,
  4727.  
  4728. 1062
  4729. 00:53:36,838 --> 00:53:39,424
  4730. again, is first and foremost
  4731. as somebody who likes people
  4732.  
  4733. 1063
  4734. 00:53:39,507 --> 00:53:41,718
  4735. who have that thing that nobody else has,
  4736.  
  4737. 1064
  4738. 00:53:42,052 --> 00:53:44,930
  4739. and seeing that. And responding to that,
  4740.  
  4741. 1065
  4742. 00:53:45,013 --> 00:53:49,059
  4743. again, that way of just seeking people out
  4744. who you would be surprised he knew about.
  4745.  
  4746. 1066
  4747. 00:53:49,142 --> 00:53:52,395
  4748. He called me and he said,
  4749. "Do you really know this Jimmy Carter?"
  4750.  
  4751. 1067
  4752. 00:53:54,356 --> 00:53:55,315
  4753. I said, "Yeah."
  4754.  
  4755. 1068
  4756. 00:53:57,150 --> 00:53:59,110
  4757. He said, "You not gonna get me
  4758.  
  4759. 1069
  4760. 00:53:59,194 --> 00:54:01,279
  4761. out here supporting
  4762. some Georgia cracker..."
  4763.  
  4764. 1070
  4765. 00:54:01,363 --> 00:54:02,864
  4766. [chuckles]
  4767.  
  4768. 1071
  4769. 00:54:02,948 --> 00:54:05,659
  4770. "...and get embarrassed."
  4771. He said, "I want to help him."
  4772.  
  4773. 1072
  4774. 00:54:06,493 --> 00:54:09,621
  4775. [Avant] I decided to mix it up
  4776. like a scrambled egg and get involved.
  4777.  
  4778. 1073
  4779. 00:54:10,205 --> 00:54:13,041
  4780. You can't go just one way, one color.
  4781.  
  4782. 1074
  4783. 00:54:13,124 --> 00:54:15,418
  4784. You have to look at the whole system,
  4785.  
  4786. 1075
  4787. 00:54:15,502 --> 00:54:18,129
  4788. and I look at the whole spectrum
  4789.  
  4790. 1076
  4791. 00:54:18,713 --> 00:54:20,090
  4792. of this country.
  4793.  
  4794. 1077
  4795. 00:54:21,341 --> 00:54:24,886
  4796. [man] When Jimmy Carter decided
  4797. to run for office,
  4798.  
  4799. 1078
  4800. 00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:28,890
  4801. Clarence pulled most of Hollywood together
  4802.  
  4803. 1079
  4804. 00:54:28,974 --> 00:54:31,184
  4805. to support this peanut farmer
  4806. from Georgia.
  4807.  
  4808. 1080
  4809. 00:54:31,685 --> 00:54:33,019
  4810. So I think he organized
  4811.  
  4812. 1081
  4813. 00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:36,147
  4814. one of the first big fundraisers
  4815. for Jimmy Carter.
  4816.  
  4817. 1082
  4818. 00:54:38,441 --> 00:54:40,443
  4819. [Medina] You go to a Clarence Avant event,
  4820.  
  4821. 1083
  4822. 00:54:40,527 --> 00:54:42,988
  4823. it would be Lew Wasserman,
  4824.  
  4825. 1084
  4826. 00:54:43,071 --> 00:54:44,990
  4827. Quincy Jones, and Barbra Streisand,
  4828.  
  4829. 1085
  4830. 00:54:45,073 --> 00:54:46,032
  4831. and Diana Ross,
  4832.  
  4833. 1086
  4834. 00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:47,033
  4835. and Berry Gordy.
  4836.  
  4837. 1087
  4838. 00:54:47,117 --> 00:54:49,494
  4839. So it was the fact that he had this net.
  4840.  
  4841. 1088
  4842. 00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:53,540
  4843. [Jacqueline]
  4844. They always had people at the house.
  4845.  
  4846. 1089
  4847. 00:54:53,623 --> 00:54:57,127
  4848. We were either going to an event,
  4849. or an event was at our house,
  4850.  
  4851. 1090
  4852. 00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:58,628
  4853. or they were always involved.
  4854.  
  4855. 1091
  4856. 00:54:58,712 --> 00:55:00,463
  4857. Ted Kennedy was always at the house.
  4858.  
  4859. 1092
  4860. 00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:03,758
  4861. [George] He saw very clearly
  4862. that celebrity was power.
  4863.  
  4864. 1093
  4865. 00:55:04,592 --> 00:55:06,094
  4866. [President Obama]
  4867. Look, I think Clarence
  4868.  
  4869. 1094
  4870. 00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:09,973
  4871. is somebody who cared about politics
  4872.  
  4873. 1095
  4874. 00:55:10,056 --> 00:55:13,518
  4875. because he recognized
  4876. that economic progress,
  4877.  
  4878. 1096
  4879. 00:55:13,727 --> 00:55:16,021
  4880. cultural progress, social progress,
  4881.  
  4882. 1097
  4883. 00:55:16,479 --> 00:55:19,774
  4884. political progress are all tied together.
  4885.  
  4886. 1098
  4887. 00:55:27,115 --> 00:55:31,995
  4888. [announcer] Three-one pitch.
  4889. There's a drive into left field!
  4890.  
  4891. 1099
  4892. 00:55:32,078 --> 00:55:34,748
  4893. That ball is going, going, and outta here!
  4894.  
  4895. 1100
  4896. 00:55:36,041 --> 00:55:39,502
  4897. Henry Aaron has just tied Babe Ruth
  4898.  
  4899. 1101
  4900. 00:55:39,586 --> 00:55:42,589
  4901. in the all-time home-run parade!
  4902.  
  4903. 1102
  4904. 00:55:43,757 --> 00:55:46,384
  4905. [Young] Clarence called me up and said,
  4906. "Andy, you know Hank Aaron?" 
  4907.  
  4908. 1103
  4909. 00:55:47,052 --> 00:55:49,387
  4910. I said, "Yeah, he lives
  4911. around the corner." He said,
  4912.  
  4913. 1104
  4914. 00:55:49,971 --> 00:55:52,349
  4915. "If he's about to break
  4916. Babe Ruth's record, 
  4917.  
  4918. 1105
  4919. 00:55:52,932 --> 00:55:54,851
  4920. he's supposed to make some money."
  4921.  
  4922. 1106
  4923. 00:55:54,934 --> 00:55:56,561
  4924. He said, "I'm not talking
  4925. about his salary,
  4926.  
  4927. 1107
  4928. 00:55:56,644 --> 00:55:59,481
  4929. I'm talking about him having endorsements.
  4930.  
  4931. 1108
  4932. 00:56:00,231 --> 00:56:05,236
  4933. Will you tell him that I'm not crazy
  4934. and I'mma call him?"
  4935.  
  4936. 1109
  4937. 00:56:06,446 --> 00:56:09,407
  4938. I said, "Well, I can't vouch
  4939. for you not being crazy!
  4940.  
  4941. 1110
  4942. 00:56:09,491 --> 00:56:12,452
  4943. But I'll tell him
  4944. that you've been very helpful to me
  4945.  
  4946. 1111
  4947. 00:56:12,535 --> 00:56:13,703
  4948. and he oughta talk to you."
  4949.  
  4950. 1112
  4951. 00:56:15,288 --> 00:56:16,790
  4952. [Aaron] I wasn't getting any offers.
  4953.  
  4954. 1113
  4955. 00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:22,295
  4956. I was somewhat reserved.
  4957. I was somewhat, um...
  4958.  
  4959. 1114
  4960. 00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:25,131
  4961. I thought that everything
  4962. should come to me.
  4963.  
  4964. 1115
  4965. 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,675
  4966. I explained to him, I said, "Hank,
  4967.  
  4968. 1116
  4969. 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,471
  4970. I'm not really a sports fan. But...
  4971.  
  4972. 1117
  4973. 00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:33,890
  4974. I'll try to help you."
  4975.  
  4976. 1118
  4977. 00:56:34,474 --> 00:56:36,893
  4978. I said,
  4979. "You gotta understand numbers, man.
  4980.  
  4981. 1119
  4982. 00:56:37,727 --> 00:56:40,980
  4983. If you haven't made a deal
  4984. before you hit 715,
  4985.  
  4986. 1120
  4987. 00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:43,483
  4988. who the fuck cares?"
  4989.  
  4990. 1121
  4991. 00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,361
  4992. That was the magic number
  4993. in baseball forever.
  4994.  
  4995. 1122
  4996. 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,615
  4997. No one's gonna break Babe Ruth's 714.
  4998. Now, Babe Ruth, you have to understand,
  4999.  
  5000. 1123
  5001. 00:56:50,698 --> 00:56:52,117
  5002. has become a mythological figure.
  5003.  
  5004. 1124
  5005. 00:56:52,534 --> 00:56:53,618
  5006. He was the Bambino.
  5007.  
  5008. 1125
  5009. 00:56:53,701 --> 00:56:55,954
  5010. He was larger-than-life.
  5011. Played for the New York Yankees,
  5012.  
  5013. 1126
  5014. 00:56:56,037 --> 00:56:58,039
  5015. which is the greatest baseball franchise
  5016. in history.
  5017.  
  5018. 1127
  5019. 00:56:58,123 --> 00:57:01,960
  5020. He won a lot of championships,
  5021. so there's an investment in him
  5022.  
  5023. 1128
  5024. 00:57:02,043 --> 00:57:04,963
  5025. as this almost-mythical figure embodiment
  5026. of baseball,
  5027.  
  5028. 1129
  5029. 00:57:05,046 --> 00:57:06,923
  5030. embodiment of the American Dream.
  5031.  
  5032. 1130
  5033. 00:57:08,299 --> 00:57:12,262
  5034. So, when this black man
  5035. begins inching closer to his record,
  5036.  
  5037. 1131
  5038. 00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:15,640
  5039. there's, like, a national sense of crisis.
  5040.  
  5041. 1132
  5042. 00:57:17,058 --> 00:57:18,810
  5043. He gets letters, I mean, 
  5044.  
  5045. 1133
  5046. 00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:20,979
  5047. flooding into the stadium in Atlanta.
  5048.  
  5049. 1134
  5050. 00:57:21,604 --> 00:57:22,647
  5051. "Nigger, don't do this."
  5052.  
  5053. 1135
  5054. 00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:24,899
  5055. "Nigger, you'll never--
  5056. I'll shoot you on the field."
  5057.  
  5058. 1136
  5059. 00:57:25,650 --> 00:57:27,193
  5060. [Aaron] That was the hardest part.
  5061.  
  5062. 1137
  5063. 00:57:27,694 --> 00:57:29,237
  5064. I wasn't able to enjoy it.
  5065.  
  5066. 1138
  5067. 00:57:30,947 --> 00:57:33,450
  5068. Clarence, on the other hand, was...
  5069.  
  5070. 1139
  5071. 00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:35,326
  5072. the type of person that,
  5073.  
  5074. 1140
  5075. 00:57:35,952 --> 00:57:38,037
  5076. if he wanted something,
  5077. he would go after it.
  5078.  
  5079. 1141
  5080. 00:57:38,121 --> 00:57:40,331
  5081. He wanted me to be part of Coca-Cola.
  5082.  
  5083. 1142
  5084. 00:57:40,665 --> 00:57:43,751
  5085. He wanted Henry Aaron
  5086. to be part of Coca-Cola.
  5087.  
  5088. 1143
  5089. 00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:47,380
  5090. So what he did, he said,
  5091. "I'm gonna go up here
  5092.  
  5093. 1144
  5094. 00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:50,133
  5095. and talk to these SOBs," you know.
  5096.  
  5097. 1145
  5098. 00:57:50,216 --> 00:57:51,801
  5099. [laughs]
  5100.  
  5101. 1146
  5102. 00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:57,056
  5103. He walked up to the president's office
  5104. in Coca-Cola. Now, this is unheard of.
  5105.  
  5106. 1147
  5107. 00:57:58,558 --> 00:58:00,643
  5108. Mr. Austin met with me.
  5109.  
  5110. 1148
  5111. 00:58:01,186 --> 00:58:02,645
  5112. Right to his office,
  5113.  
  5114. 1149
  5115. 00:58:02,729 --> 00:58:04,606
  5116. and looked him in the face--
  5117.  
  5118. 1150
  5119. 00:58:04,689 --> 00:58:07,609
  5120. [interviewer] You look at him
  5121. nose-to-nose. And you don't say hello.
  5122.  
  5123. 1151
  5124. 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:11,112
  5125. You just go,
  5126. "Niggas drink a lot of Coke."
  5127.  
  5128. 1152
  5129. 00:58:11,279 --> 00:58:12,197
  5130. Yep.
  5131.  
  5132. 1153
  5133. 00:58:13,114 --> 00:58:14,365
  5134. [Aaron] He said, "You got
  5135.  
  5136. 1154
  5137. 00:58:14,449 --> 00:58:17,827
  5138. a nigga drinking Coca-Cola here,
  5139. and he does well,
  5140.  
  5141. 1155
  5142. 00:58:18,286 --> 00:58:19,704
  5143. plays ball in your town.
  5144.  
  5145. 1156
  5146. 00:58:20,246 --> 00:58:22,248
  5147. I want him to be part of your family."
  5148.  
  5149. 1157
  5150. 00:58:22,332 --> 00:58:23,708
  5151. [laughs]
  5152.  
  5153. 1158
  5154. 00:58:24,626 --> 00:58:27,003
  5155. He got the biggest contract for me
  5156.  
  5157. 1159
  5158. 00:58:27,086 --> 00:58:31,049
  5159. that any sports figure had ever had
  5160. back in the days when I was playing.
  5161.  
  5162. 1160
  5163. 00:58:31,508 --> 00:58:33,176
  5164. [announcer] One ball and no strikes,
  5165.  
  5166. 1161
  5167. 00:58:33,259 --> 00:58:35,762
  5168. Aaron waiting,
  5169. the outfield deep and straightaway.
  5170.  
  5171. 1162
  5172. 00:58:35,845 --> 00:58:39,098
  5173. Fastball, it's a high-fly
  5174. to the deep left center field!
  5175.  
  5176. 1163
  5177. 00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:42,977
  5178. Buster goes back to the fence! It is gone!
  5179.  
  5180. 1164
  5181. 00:58:43,061 --> 00:58:45,438
  5182. [crowd cheering]
  5183.  
  5184. 1165
  5185. 00:58:46,272 --> 00:58:49,234
  5186. What a marvelous moment for baseball!
  5187.  
  5188. 1166
  5189. 00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:53,655
  5190. What a marvelous moment for Atlanta
  5191. and the state of Georgia!
  5192.  
  5193. 1167
  5194. 00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:57,951
  5195. A black man is getting a standing ovation
  5196. in the Deep South
  5197.  
  5198. 1168
  5199. 00:58:58,576 --> 00:59:02,830
  5200. for breaking a record
  5201. of an all-time baseball idol!
  5202.  
  5203. 1169
  5204. 00:59:02,914 --> 00:59:05,708
  5205. And it is a great moment for all of us,
  5206.  
  5207. 1170
  5208. 00:59:05,917 --> 00:59:08,002
  5209. and particularly for...
  5210.  
  5211. 1171
  5212. 00:59:09,504 --> 00:59:10,421
  5213. [Young] It was...
  5214.  
  5215. 1172
  5216. 00:59:10,505 --> 00:59:13,925
  5217. his connection to Clarence
  5218. that helped him to know
  5219.  
  5220. 1173
  5221. 00:59:14,008 --> 00:59:16,469
  5222. how to market his value.
  5223.  
  5224. 1174
  5225. 00:59:17,428 --> 00:59:19,222
  5226. That's been a marriage made in heaven
  5227.  
  5228. 1175
  5229. 00:59:19,305 --> 00:59:22,684
  5230. because Hank has probably given away
  5231. more money
  5232.  
  5233. 1176
  5234. 00:59:22,767 --> 00:59:25,562
  5235. to poor kids
  5236. through his Chasing the Dream Foundation
  5237.  
  5238. 1177
  5239. 00:59:25,645 --> 00:59:28,606
  5240. than he made in all the years he was
  5241. in baseball.
  5242.  
  5243. 1178
  5244. 00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:32,986
  5245. Henry Aaron would not be Henry Aaron
  5246. if it were not for Clarence Avant.
  5247.  
  5248. 1179
  5249. 00:59:33,486 --> 00:59:36,239
  5250. When you're young,
  5251. you don't know your worth sometimes.
  5252.  
  5253. 1180
  5254. 00:59:36,322 --> 00:59:38,241
  5255. He was telling him,
  5256. "Yo, your worth is this.
  5257.  
  5258. 1181
  5259. 00:59:38,324 --> 00:59:40,785
  5260. This is the money you should
  5261. be looking for out of this position
  5262.  
  5263. 1182
  5264. 00:59:40,868 --> 00:59:42,579
  5265. because they pay your counterpart,
  5266.  
  5267. 1183
  5268. 00:59:42,662 --> 00:59:44,914
  5269. somebody who's white, Asian, or otherwise,
  5270.  
  5271. 1184
  5272. 00:59:44,998 --> 00:59:47,584
  5273. that does the same thing, or less,
  5274. this amount of money."
  5275.  
  5276. 1185
  5277. 00:59:47,667 --> 00:59:49,127
  5278. Getting true value...
  5279.  
  5280. 1186
  5281. 00:59:50,128 --> 00:59:53,715
  5282. is one of those things that,
  5283. as Clarence grows,
  5284.  
  5285. 1187
  5286. 00:59:54,090 --> 00:59:55,675
  5287. this becomes a touchstone.
  5288.  
  5289. 1188
  5290. 00:59:56,593 --> 00:59:59,971
  5291. [Lathan] Clarence put together a tribute
  5292. to Muhammad Ali,
  5293.  
  5294. 1189
  5295. 01:00:00,430 --> 01:00:02,140
  5296. and he got ABC to do it,
  5297.  
  5298. 1190
  5299. 01:00:02,348 --> 01:00:05,268
  5300. and then he demanded that they hire me
  5301. as the director.
  5302.  
  5303. 1191
  5304. 01:00:05,351 --> 01:00:08,187
  5305. And they said,
  5306. "This guy doesn't direct these things!
  5307.  
  5308. 1192
  5309. 01:00:08,271 --> 01:00:11,983
  5310. This is a black show, yeah,
  5311. but we don't need-- I mean, come on!"
  5312.  
  5313. 1193
  5314. 01:00:12,066 --> 01:00:13,526
  5315. So I told this guy,
  5316.  
  5317. 1194
  5318. 01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:15,236
  5319. "You got one week.
  5320.  
  5321. 1195
  5322. 01:00:16,446 --> 01:00:18,531
  5323. I'm using Stan Lathan.
  5324.  
  5325. 1196
  5326. 01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:20,575
  5327. You either in or you out."
  5328.  
  5329. 1197
  5330. 01:00:21,451 --> 01:00:23,161
  5331. He went into somebody's office
  5332.  
  5333. 1198
  5334. 01:00:23,703 --> 01:00:26,914
  5335. and banged on their desk
  5336. or did whatever he had to do
  5337.  
  5338. 1199
  5339. 01:00:26,998 --> 01:00:28,666
  5340. for me to get a call
  5341. from my agent, saying,
  5342.  
  5343. 1200
  5344. 01:00:28,750 --> 01:00:32,879
  5345. "Guess what, man?
  5346. They want you to direct an ABC special!"
  5347.  
  5348. 1201
  5349. 01:00:33,671 --> 01:00:35,840
  5350. I said, "No kidding." laughs]
  5351.  
  5352. 1202
  5353. 01:00:35,923 --> 01:00:37,925
  5354. [crowd clamoring]
  5355.  
  5356. 1203
  5357. 01:00:38,259 --> 01:00:40,470
  5358. [Sarandos] Muhammad Ali,
  5359. the greatest fighter of all time.
  5360.  
  5361. 1204
  5362. 01:00:41,804 --> 01:00:44,098
  5363. And there's Clarence,
  5364. at the end of the career,
  5365.  
  5366. 1205
  5367. 01:00:44,182 --> 01:00:45,975
  5368. kind of giving him that last pop
  5369.  
  5370. 1206
  5371. 01:00:46,476 --> 01:00:50,605
  5372. that helped him solidify his reputation
  5373. as a personality,
  5374.  
  5375. 1207
  5376. 01:00:50,688 --> 01:00:51,564
  5377. not just a fighter.
  5378.  
  5379. 1208
  5380. 01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:53,816
  5381. -It's gonna be a killer!
  5382. -[playing chords on piano]
  5383.  
  5384. 1209
  5385. 01:00:53,941 --> 01:00:54,901
  5386. And a chiller!
  5387.  
  5388. 1210
  5389. 01:00:55,318 --> 01:00:56,444
  5390. And a thriller!
  5391.  
  5392. 1211
  5393. 01:00:56,694 --> 01:00:59,072
  5394. When I get the Gorilla in Manila!
  5395.  
  5396. 1212
  5397. 01:00:59,155 --> 01:01:00,031
  5398. [audience laughs]
  5399.  
  5400. 1213
  5401. 01:01:00,114 --> 01:01:01,115
  5402. Right on.
  5403.  
  5404. 1214
  5405. 01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:05,828
  5406. All right!
  5407.  
  5408. 1215
  5409. 01:01:08,915 --> 01:01:12,502
  5410. [Mitchell] It's so funny that Clarence
  5411. is content to be behind the scenes,
  5412.  
  5413. 1216
  5414. 01:01:12,585 --> 01:01:14,295
  5415. because he just registers
  5416.  
  5417. 1217
  5418. 01:01:14,379 --> 01:01:18,299
  5419. so impressively and so powerfully.
  5420.  
  5421. 1218
  5422. 01:01:18,383 --> 01:01:21,969
  5423. And so, I think that because of that...
  5424.  
  5425. 1219
  5426. 01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:26,474
  5427. hunger, you know,
  5428.  
  5429. 1220
  5430. 01:01:26,557 --> 01:01:29,268
  5431. that people just want to be
  5432. in business with him.
  5433.  
  5434. 1221
  5435. 01:01:30,019 --> 01:01:33,106
  5436. You know, I just-- I don't know
  5437. how I got involved with anything, man.
  5438.  
  5439. 1222
  5440. 01:01:33,189 --> 01:01:34,273
  5441. I just took shots.
  5442.  
  5443. 1223
  5444. 01:01:34,357 --> 01:01:36,526
  5445. So, in my mind, I've been like this, man.
  5446.  
  5447. 1224
  5448. 01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,654
  5449. Everything you want to be involved in.
  5450.  
  5451. 1225
  5452. 01:01:40,196 --> 01:01:44,242
  5453. The whole idea... of the '70s,
  5454. when I was growing up,
  5455.  
  5456. 1226
  5457. 01:01:44,325 --> 01:01:48,788
  5458. into the '80s was blacks wanted
  5459. to own and control...
  5460.  
  5461. 1227
  5462. 01:01:49,455 --> 01:01:53,334
  5463. their own institution
  5464. and their own culture.
  5465.  
  5466. 1228
  5467. 01:01:53,418 --> 01:01:56,003
  5468. Clarence becomes an embodiment
  5469. of that because he's a link
  5470.  
  5471. 1229
  5472. 01:01:56,087 --> 01:01:59,841
  5473. between the black business world,
  5474. the idea of black entrepreneurship,
  5475.  
  5476. 1230
  5477. 01:01:59,924 --> 01:02:02,176
  5478. and black people
  5479. controlling their environment.
  5480.  
  5481. 1231
  5482. 01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:05,471
  5483. He's able to work with white institutions
  5484. to get money from them,
  5485.  
  5486. 1232
  5487. 01:02:05,555 --> 01:02:09,016
  5488. and he's tied into black music,
  5489. which is driving a lot of the messaging
  5490.  
  5491. 1233
  5492. 01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:12,645
  5493. around black identity,
  5494. and black confidence, and black power.
  5495.  
  5496. 1234
  5497. 01:02:12,729 --> 01:02:15,022
  5498. ["Strawberry Letter #23" plays]
  5499.  
  5500. 1235
  5501. 01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:22,363
  5502. [Avant] There was only one radio station
  5503. that I knew of that was owned by blacks.
  5504.  
  5505. 1236
  5506. 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:24,866
  5507. So I decided to...
  5508.  
  5509. 1237
  5510. 01:02:26,033 --> 01:02:30,037
  5511. expand my whatever,
  5512. and I bought a radio station.
  5513.  
  5514. 1238
  5515. 01:02:32,415 --> 01:02:34,792
  5516. A local radio station,
  5517. it was in Inglewood.
  5518.  
  5519. 1239
  5520. 01:02:36,169 --> 01:02:41,215
  5521. When I bought it, I changed its name
  5522. to Avant Garde Broadcasting, KAGB.
  5523.  
  5524. 1240
  5525. 01:02:43,259 --> 01:02:45,344
  5526. When you're in the sales department
  5527. at a radio station,
  5528.  
  5529. 1241
  5530. 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:46,345
  5531. you're always hustling.
  5532.  
  5533. 1242
  5534. 01:02:46,929 --> 01:02:49,140
  5535. So you're always trying to sell that time,
  5536.  
  5537. 1243
  5538. 01:02:49,223 --> 01:02:50,975
  5539. that 60-second time buy.
  5540.  
  5541. 1244
  5542. 01:02:51,058 --> 01:02:54,729
  5543. So, I mean, you just have to go out there
  5544. and sell sell, sell.
  5545.  
  5546. 1245
  5547. 01:02:57,190 --> 01:03:01,611
  5548. [Hughes] It's still rough on black radio,
  5549. but when Clarence was in the business,
  5550.  
  5551. 1246
  5552. 01:03:01,694 --> 01:03:03,154
  5553. it was even worse
  5554.  
  5555. 1247
  5556. 01:03:03,237 --> 01:03:08,659
  5557. because none of these major advertisers
  5558. would even consider advertising
  5559.  
  5560. 1248
  5561. 01:03:08,743 --> 01:03:09,952
  5562. with a black station.
  5563.  
  5564. 1249
  5565. 01:03:10,036 --> 01:03:12,789
  5566. Even McDonald's hadn't decided
  5567.  
  5568. 1250
  5569. 01:03:12,872 --> 01:03:15,500
  5570. that they were going to get into
  5571. the black people business.
  5572.  
  5573. 1251
  5574. 01:03:17,126 --> 01:03:18,961
  5575. [George] Overtly, Clarence is doing well.
  5576.  
  5577. 1252
  5578. 01:03:20,254 --> 01:03:23,341
  5579. He has Sussex Records, which is
  5580. very successful with Bill Withers.
  5581.  
  5582. 1253
  5583. 01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:25,176
  5584. He has KAGB radio station,
  5585.  
  5586. 1254
  5587. 01:03:25,843 --> 01:03:28,387
  5588. but it seems like he was overextended.
  5589.  
  5590. 1255
  5591. 01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:31,557
  5592. He bought that radio station.
  5593. I hated that damn thing.
  5594.  
  5595. 1256
  5596. 01:03:31,641 --> 01:03:32,892
  5597. I thought it was a dump.
  5598.  
  5599. 1257
  5600. 01:03:32,975 --> 01:03:35,144
  5601. [Avant] Bill Withers did very well,
  5602.  
  5603. 1258
  5604. 01:03:35,353 --> 01:03:38,689
  5605. but, you know, you make money,
  5606. and you sign all these other acts,
  5607.  
  5608. 1259
  5609. 01:03:38,773 --> 01:03:42,944
  5610. and they sell two copies,
  5611. and... it doesn't mean shit.
  5612.  
  5613. 1260
  5614. 01:03:43,694 --> 01:03:45,571
  5615. [George]
  5616. One thing about the independent labels
  5617.  
  5618. 1261
  5619. 01:03:45,655 --> 01:03:50,159
  5620. in the '70s is that you were at the mercy
  5621. of your distributors, which meant
  5622.  
  5623. 1262
  5624. 01:03:50,243 --> 01:03:53,579
  5625. you weren't getting money for 3 months,
  5626. no matter how many records you sold.
  5627.  
  5628. 1263
  5629. 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,708
  5630. And you're still also getting bills
  5631. from pressing plants,
  5632.  
  5633. 1264
  5634. 01:03:57,792 --> 01:04:00,711
  5635. and you're getting bills
  5636. from people who make the labels,
  5637.  
  5638. 1265
  5639. 01:04:01,712 --> 01:04:04,006
  5640. and then you have the fact
  5641. that he had this radio station,
  5642.  
  5643. 1266
  5644. 01:04:04,590 --> 01:04:08,135
  5645. and he's cross-collateralizing his money
  5646. to try and keep both afloat.
  5647.  
  5648. 1267
  5649. 01:04:09,762 --> 01:04:11,430
  5650. [Avant] And all of a sudden...
  5651.  
  5652. 1268
  5653. 01:04:17,061 --> 01:04:17,937
  5654. you broke.
  5655.  
  5656. 1269
  5657. 01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:21,983
  5658. [George]
  5659. One day, the IRS came into his office,
  5660.  
  5661. 1270
  5662. 01:04:22,275 --> 01:04:25,069
  5663. snatched everything
  5664. from the records to the desk,
  5665.  
  5666. 1271
  5667. 01:04:25,945 --> 01:04:26,988
  5668. padlocked the joint,
  5669.  
  5670. 1272
  5671. 01:04:27,697 --> 01:04:29,448
  5672. and said, "You owe us money." 
  5673.  
  5674. 1273
  5675. 01:04:29,532 --> 01:04:30,366
  5676. Boom.
  5677.  
  5678. 1274
  5679. 01:04:31,701 --> 01:04:32,577
  5680. It's all gone.
  5681.  
  5682. 1275
  5683. 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,912
  5684. When we lost the radio station,
  5685.  
  5686. 1276
  5687. 01:04:34,996 --> 01:04:37,498
  5688. I think his regret was,
  5689. "I didn't really listen to the people
  5690.  
  5691. 1277
  5692. 01:04:37,582 --> 01:04:38,666
  5693. that were trying to help me,
  5694.  
  5695. 1278
  5696. 01:04:38,749 --> 01:04:41,210
  5697. the people who knew
  5698. how to run the radio station.
  5699.  
  5700. 1279
  5701. 01:04:41,294 --> 01:04:44,046
  5702. And I was too arrogant to listen."
  5703.  
  5704. 1280
  5705. 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:46,966
  5706. You know, he did say--
  5707. He'll never say that, but he did to me.
  5708.  
  5709. 1281
  5710. 01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:51,637
  5711. I think it was probably
  5712. the first big failure that he faced,
  5713.  
  5714. 1282
  5715. 01:04:51,721 --> 01:04:55,600
  5716. that he didn't see an immediate solution
  5717. on the horizon.
  5718.  
  5719. 1283
  5720. 01:04:56,976 --> 01:05:00,396
  5721. [Avant] Bill and I had fights,
  5722. but that's part of the game, man.
  5723.  
  5724. 1284
  5725. 01:05:01,939 --> 01:05:04,233
  5726. Arguments, not fights.
  5727. I don't fight nobody.
  5728.  
  5729. 1285
  5730. 01:05:05,651 --> 01:05:08,070
  5731. Then there was the business part of it,
  5732. you know?
  5733.  
  5734. 1286
  5735. 01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:12,533
  5736. No hard-- I understand, you dig?
  5737.  
  5738. 1287
  5739. 01:05:14,076 --> 01:05:15,077
  5740. But...
  5741.  
  5742. 1288
  5743. 01:05:15,161 --> 01:05:17,622
  5744. then it became time to move on, you know?
  5745.  
  5746. 1289
  5747. 01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:20,041
  5748. [soft piano playing]
  5749.  
  5750. 1290
  5751. 01:05:22,376 --> 01:05:23,544
  5752. [Avant] I'll never forget it.
  5753.  
  5754. 1291
  5755. 01:05:25,171 --> 01:05:26,297
  5756. Bill was like...
  5757.  
  5758. 1292
  5759. 01:05:30,051 --> 01:05:31,719
  5760. How do I put this?
  5761.  
  5762. 1293
  5763. 01:05:35,264 --> 01:05:37,141
  5764. I got very emotional when he left...
  5765.  
  5766. 1294
  5767. 01:05:40,061 --> 01:05:41,062
  5768. Uh...
  5769.  
  5770. 1295
  5771. 01:05:41,896 --> 01:05:43,022
  5772. I couldn't pay him.
  5773.  
  5774. 1296
  5775. 01:05:45,191 --> 01:05:48,903
  5776. [Jacqueline] With Bill Withers, you know,
  5777. that was a heartbreaker.
  5778.  
  5779. 1297
  5780. 01:05:49,487 --> 01:05:52,198
  5781. My daughter was maybe three
  5782. when she got to know him,
  5783.  
  5784. 1298
  5785. 01:05:52,573 --> 01:05:53,950
  5786. and she loved him.
  5787.  
  5788. 1299
  5789. 01:05:54,825 --> 01:05:56,827
  5790. But he decided to leave Sussex.
  5791.  
  5792. 1300
  5793. 01:05:57,411 --> 01:05:59,205
  5794. I had to explain that to her, too.
  5795.  
  5796. 1301
  5797. 01:06:00,748 --> 01:06:03,209
  5798. [Nicole] It was hard for my dad to let go.
  5799.  
  5800. 1302
  5801. 01:06:04,251 --> 01:06:09,173
  5802. He was getting very upset
  5803. because I think he felt insignificant.
  5804.  
  5805. 1303
  5806. 01:06:11,467 --> 01:06:14,595
  5807. I remember my dad and I used to swim
  5808. all the time.
  5809.  
  5810. 1304
  5811. 01:06:14,929 --> 01:06:17,890
  5812. I'd always get on his back.
  5813. He'd be like the big whale,
  5814.  
  5815. 1305
  5816. 01:06:17,974 --> 01:06:20,101
  5817. and he'd swim me to the deep end,
  5818. and we'd come back,
  5819.  
  5820. 1306
  5821. 01:06:20,184 --> 01:06:21,394
  5822. and then he'd watch me swim
  5823.  
  5824. 1307
  5825. 01:06:21,477 --> 01:06:24,438
  5826. and make sure my backstroke was good.
  5827. You know, we always had a good time. 
  5828.  
  5829. 1308
  5830. 01:06:24,522 --> 01:06:26,190
  5831. All of a sudden,
  5832. I remember, just one day...
  5833.  
  5834. 1309
  5835. 01:06:26,273 --> 01:06:27,817
  5836. [snaps fingers] it stopped.
  5837.  
  5838. 1310
  5839. 01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:32,613
  5840. My mom said to me one day,
  5841.  
  5842. 1311
  5843. 01:06:33,114 --> 01:06:35,700
  5844. "You know, City National Bank
  5845. may take our house."
  5846.  
  5847. 1312
  5848. 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,869
  5849. I didn't know what that meant,
  5850. "What are you talking about?"
  5851.  
  5852. 1313
  5853. 01:06:38,953 --> 01:06:43,499
  5854. "Well, you know, we're-- This is closing,
  5855. Sussex is closing, Bill Withers--"
  5856.  
  5857. 1314
  5858. 01:06:43,582 --> 01:06:45,626
  5859. everything just--
  5860. Then we lost the radio station.
  5861.  
  5862. 1315
  5863. 01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:47,128
  5864. Everything crumbled at once.
  5865.  
  5866. 1316
  5867. 01:06:48,004 --> 01:06:49,672
  5868. [Avant] My house was in foreclosure.
  5869.  
  5870. 1317
  5871. 01:06:51,090 --> 01:06:52,925
  5872. I was gonna sell the house,
  5873.  
  5874. 1318
  5875. 01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:54,051
  5876. 'cause I was broke
  5877.  
  5878. 1319
  5879. 01:06:54,135 --> 01:06:57,805
  5880. and I was gonna get the loan
  5881. and then sell it eventually.
  5882.  
  5883. 1320
  5884. 01:06:58,264 --> 01:07:00,433
  5885. And Jackie said, "Why didn't you tell me?"
  5886. And well,
  5887.  
  5888. 1321
  5889. 01:07:01,142 --> 01:07:02,560
  5890. "I didn't wanna tell you."
  5891.  
  5892. 1322
  5893. 01:07:02,643 --> 01:07:03,644
  5894. [chuckles]
  5895.  
  5896. 1323
  5897. 01:07:04,937 --> 01:07:05,771
  5898. [sighs]
  5899.  
  5900. 1324
  5901. 01:07:07,148 --> 01:07:10,943
  5902. Just a matter of time, things,
  5903. I don't know. It's...
  5904.  
  5905. 1325
  5906. 01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:11,861
  5907. Um...
  5908.  
  5909. 1326
  5910. 01:07:13,237 --> 01:07:15,489
  5911. You don't leave.
  5912. [chuckles] You don't leave.
  5913.  
  5914. 1327
  5915. 01:07:15,573 --> 01:07:17,366
  5916. Where are you going, anyway?
  5917. And, you know.
  5918.  
  5919. 1328
  5920. 01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:21,495
  5921. So you're in this together, and you just,
  5922. you know, wait it out. And, um...
  5923.  
  5924. 1329
  5925. 01:07:23,748 --> 01:07:25,124
  5926. But you have to face it.
  5927.  
  5928. 1330
  5929. 01:07:25,207 --> 01:07:27,460
  5930. You can't make believe it didn't happen.
  5931.  
  5932. 1331
  5933. 01:07:29,545 --> 01:07:31,464
  5934. [man] He had a lunch with me,
  5935.  
  5936. 1332
  5937. 01:07:31,756 --> 01:07:33,966
  5938. and he was in financial trouble,
  5939.  
  5940. 1333
  5941. 01:07:34,467 --> 01:07:37,011
  5942. told us he's going to have
  5943. to fold the company,
  5944.  
  5945. 1334
  5946. 01:07:37,094 --> 01:07:40,097
  5947. and we proved
  5948. to be "Here Comes Santa Claus."
  5949.  
  5950. 1335
  5951. 01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:43,017
  5952. And he was forever grateful
  5953.  
  5954. 1336
  5955. 01:07:43,684 --> 01:07:46,020
  5956. because it bailed him out of a hole
  5957. that he...
  5958.  
  5959. 1337
  5960. 01:07:46,103 --> 01:07:48,439
  5961. possibly would lose everything he had.
  5962.  
  5963. 1338
  5964. 01:07:49,273 --> 01:07:52,568
  5965. [Moss] I was very connected to the man,
  5966.  
  5967. 1339
  5968. 01:07:53,027 --> 01:07:55,988
  5969. and I didn't want to see anything
  5970. bad happen to him, you know.
  5971.  
  5972. 1340
  5973. 01:07:56,322 --> 01:07:58,699
  5974. Little help from this friend
  5975. and that friend, and...
  5976.  
  5977. 1341
  5978. 01:07:58,866 --> 01:08:00,910
  5979. in time, we just pulled through.
  5980.  
  5981. 1342
  5982. 01:08:02,036 --> 01:08:04,121
  5983. [Moss] It's a long life
  5984. in this game, you know.
  5985.  
  5986. 1343
  5987. 01:08:05,206 --> 01:08:06,707
  5988. You wanna keep your friends.
  5989.  
  5990. 1344
  5991. 01:08:07,458 --> 01:08:08,334
  5992. Very important.
  5993.  
  5994. 1345
  5995. 01:08:08,417 --> 01:08:10,836
  5996. And to know who your friends are,
  5997. very important.
  5998.  
  5999. 1346
  6000. 01:08:12,254 --> 01:08:14,507
  6001. It's my friend. Shit, I have friends.
  6002.  
  6003. 1347
  6004. 01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:15,591
  6005. [chuckles]
  6006.  
  6007. 1348
  6008. 01:08:16,425 --> 01:08:17,843
  6009. [Adolph] I think Jackie
  6010.  
  6011. 1349
  6012. 01:08:17,927 --> 01:08:19,970
  6013. was the force that said to Clarence,
  6014.  
  6015. 1350
  6016. 01:08:21,055 --> 01:08:23,099
  6017. "When it comes to family, we can do this."
  6018.  
  6019. 1351
  6020. 01:08:27,561 --> 01:08:31,107
  6021. [Geffen] Since I've known Clarence
  6022. for almost 50 years,
  6023.  
  6024. 1352
  6025. 01:08:31,524 --> 01:08:34,360
  6026. I've known all of his kids, you know,
  6027. from the very beginning.
  6028.  
  6029. 1353
  6030. 01:08:34,944 --> 01:08:36,278
  6031. Clarence was a great dad.
  6032.  
  6033. 1354
  6034. 01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:37,571
  6035. He was a great husband.
  6036.  
  6037. 1355
  6038. 01:08:38,614 --> 01:08:40,950
  6039. [Foxx] It feels good to see Clarence
  6040. and his wife.
  6041.  
  6042. 1356
  6043. 01:08:41,492 --> 01:08:43,994
  6044. You know, these young cats, man,
  6045. in this business.
  6046.  
  6047. 1357
  6048. 01:08:44,537 --> 01:08:46,163
  6049. They look so amazing,
  6050.  
  6051. 1358
  6052. 01:08:46,747 --> 01:08:49,542
  6053. and they still look
  6054. like they got wedding cake on their feet.
  6055.  
  6056. 1359
  6057. 01:08:50,334 --> 01:08:53,087
  6058. Like they just walked
  6059. off of a soul wedding cake.
  6060.  
  6061. 1360
  6062. 01:08:53,629 --> 01:08:58,050
  6063. Really, he's been a mentor
  6064. and someone-- and not just in business.
  6065.  
  6066. 1361
  6067. 01:08:58,759 --> 01:08:59,677
  6068. In life.
  6069.  
  6070. 1362
  6071. 01:09:00,386 --> 01:09:03,639
  6072. He actually probably saved my life
  6073. from one of the most...
  6074.  
  6075. 1363
  6076. 01:09:03,722 --> 01:09:05,975
  6077. It would've been
  6078. one of the biggest mistakes I ever made.
  6079.  
  6080. 1364
  6081. 01:09:06,058 --> 01:09:09,270
  6082. I was thinking about
  6083. doing something different in my marriage.
  6084.  
  6085. 1365
  6086. 01:09:09,353 --> 01:09:11,355
  6087. Like... ending it, basically.
  6088.  
  6089. 1366
  6090. 01:09:12,481 --> 01:09:13,983
  6091. And I called Clarence,
  6092.  
  6093. 1367
  6094. 01:09:14,316 --> 01:09:16,068
  6095. and he's like, "What's going on?"
  6096.  
  6097. 1368
  6098. 01:09:16,152 --> 01:09:18,946
  6099. I say, "Hey, man. You know,
  6100. I don't think...
  6101.  
  6102. 1369
  6103. 01:09:20,072 --> 01:09:21,615
  6104. I think I'mma get a divorce."
  6105.  
  6106. 1370
  6107. 01:09:22,241 --> 01:09:24,285
  6108. And he says, "A what?!"
  6109.  
  6110. 1371
  6111. 01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:28,497
  6112. I says, "Divorce." And, you know,
  6113.  
  6114. 1372
  6115. 01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:32,376
  6116. when you talking to another guy,
  6117. you think that he's-- it's guy talk.
  6118.  
  6119. 1373
  6120. 01:09:32,877 --> 01:09:35,045
  6121. "I know what you're going through.
  6122. This, this, and this.
  6123.  
  6124. 1374
  6125. 01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:37,756
  6126. You'll be all right."
  6127. That's what I was expecting.
  6128.  
  6129. 1375
  6130. 01:09:38,549 --> 01:09:39,925
  6131. What I got was...
  6132.  
  6133. 1376
  6134. 01:09:40,926 --> 01:09:45,222
  6135. "God damn it! God damn it, Jon!
  6136. What is wrong with you?!
  6137.  
  6138. 1377
  6139. 01:09:45,723 --> 01:09:46,765
  6140. You're different!
  6141.  
  6142. 1378
  6143. 01:09:47,141 --> 01:09:49,643
  6144. You're not supposed to be
  6145. like those other guys!"
  6146.  
  6147. 1379
  6148. 01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:53,063
  6149. And, I mean, he cussed me up one side
  6150. and down the other.
  6151.  
  6152. 1380
  6153. 01:09:53,731 --> 01:09:55,733
  6154. And he said, "Get your shit together!"
  6155.  
  6156. 1381
  6157. 01:09:55,816 --> 01:09:58,986
  6158. And he started crying on the phone.
  6159.  
  6160. 1382
  6161. 01:09:59,904 --> 01:10:01,572
  6162. And he's like, "I'm hanging up!"
  6163.  
  6164. 1383
  6165. 01:10:01,822 --> 01:10:02,698
  6166. And he hung up. 
  6167.  
  6168. 1384
  6169. 01:10:03,657 --> 01:10:06,535
  6170. And... it blew me away
  6171.  
  6172. 1385
  6173. 01:10:06,619 --> 01:10:08,787
  6174. 'cause that was the total opposite...
  6175.  
  6176. 1386
  6177. 01:10:09,288 --> 01:10:10,122
  6178. um...
  6179.  
  6180. 1387
  6181. 01:10:10,998 --> 01:10:12,416
  6182. reaction that I expected,
  6183.  
  6184. 1388
  6185. 01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:15,127
  6186. and he made me think.
  6187.  
  6188. 1389
  6189. 01:10:16,337 --> 01:10:17,713
  6190. And about a week later,
  6191.  
  6192. 1390
  6193. 01:10:17,796 --> 01:10:19,757
  6194. we were at breakfast, and he was like,
  6195.  
  6196. 1391
  6197. 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,217
  6198. "So, how's it going, kid?"
  6199.  
  6200. 1392
  6201. 01:10:21,342 --> 01:10:23,677
  6202. And I'm telling him,
  6203. I was like, "You know,
  6204.  
  6205. 1393
  6206. 01:10:23,886 --> 01:10:25,638
  6207. it just feels
  6208. like it's all falling apart."
  6209.  
  6210. 1394
  6211. 01:10:26,472 --> 01:10:28,641
  6212. And it just... flowed out of me.
  6213.  
  6214. 1395
  6215. 01:10:29,433 --> 01:10:32,686
  6216. And, um, he grabbed my hand,
  6217. and said, "You gonna be all right, kid.
  6218.  
  6219. 1396
  6220. 01:10:32,770 --> 01:10:36,523
  6221. Just take a step back
  6222. and you deal with one thing at a time."
  6223.  
  6224. 1397
  6225. 01:10:37,524 --> 01:10:39,276
  6226. Big Jon's like my son, man. 
  6227.  
  6228. 1398
  6229. 01:10:39,818 --> 01:10:41,028
  6230. He's a good guy.
  6231.  
  6232. 1399
  6233. 01:10:41,111 --> 01:10:44,073
  6234. He checked me,
  6235. like a father would check his son.
  6236.  
  6237. 1400
  6238. 01:10:44,156 --> 01:10:48,160
  6239. Saved my marriage, saved my life,
  6240. and humbled me very quickly.
  6241.  
  6242. 1401
  6243. 01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:50,788
  6244. My wife got pregnant,
  6245.  
  6246. 1402
  6247. 01:10:50,871 --> 01:10:54,917
  6248. and then it was a bigger surprise
  6249. that we were having twins.
  6250.  
  6251. 1403
  6252. 01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:57,294
  6253. So, when the kids were born,
  6254.  
  6255. 1404
  6256. 01:10:58,545 --> 01:10:59,380
  6257. he called me.
  6258.  
  6259. 1405
  6260. 01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:03,175
  6261. "The first one I named Clarence.
  6262.  
  6263. 1406
  6264. 01:11:04,051 --> 01:11:06,053
  6265. The second one I named--"
  6266. I said, "Come on, man."
  6267.  
  6268. 1407
  6269. 01:11:06,136 --> 01:11:08,097
  6270. He said, "No, it's too late.
  6271. His name is Clarence."
  6272.  
  6273. 1408
  6274. 01:11:09,765 --> 01:11:12,142
  6275. He showed me a black family structure.
  6276.  
  6277. 1409
  6278. 01:11:12,226 --> 01:11:14,979
  6279. He showed me a black businessman.
  6280.  
  6281. 1410
  6282. 01:11:15,354 --> 01:11:18,190
  6283. He showed me how women
  6284. are supposed to be treated,
  6285.  
  6286. 1411
  6287. 01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:20,567
  6288. how you juggle a career and family.
  6289.  
  6290. 1412
  6291. 01:11:21,944 --> 01:11:25,698
  6292. I think Clarence Avant has one of
  6293. the biggest hearts in the universe.
  6294.  
  6295. 1413
  6296. 01:11:25,781 --> 01:11:29,118
  6297. I think he also goes to great lengths
  6298. to protect his heart,
  6299.  
  6300. 1414
  6301. 01:11:29,201 --> 01:11:31,245
  6302. and I don't think he lets
  6303. a lot of people in.
  6304.  
  6305. 1415
  6306. 01:11:31,328 --> 01:11:35,749
  6307. He has countless acquaintances,
  6308. friends, associates,
  6309.  
  6310. 1416
  6311. 01:11:35,833 --> 01:11:39,795
  6312. but very few people that I think,
  6313. as he would say, he has inside.
  6314.  
  6315. 1417
  6316. 01:11:39,878 --> 01:11:42,214
  6317. But Quincy Jones is one of those people.
  6318.  
  6319. 1418
  6320. 01:11:42,965 --> 01:11:45,342
  6321. [Jones] I know him, man.
  6322. That's why I love him.
  6323.  
  6324. 1419
  6325. 01:11:46,427 --> 01:11:47,886
  6326. I've loved him a long time.
  6327.  
  6328. 1420
  6329. 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:49,430
  6330. Eternally, man. I love him.
  6331.  
  6332. 1421
  6333. 01:11:49,513 --> 01:11:52,016
  6334. Quincy is very, um...
  6335.  
  6336. 1422
  6337. 01:11:52,808 --> 01:11:55,853
  6338. He loves to share his emotions.
  6339. He's a very intimate person,
  6340.  
  6341. 1423
  6342. 01:11:55,936 --> 01:11:57,354
  6343. and my father is not. 
  6344.  
  6345. 1424
  6346. 01:11:57,604 --> 01:11:59,565
  6347. But it's very good for my father.
  6348.  
  6349. 1425
  6350. 01:12:00,566 --> 01:12:02,568
  6351. [interviewer] Ever give Clarence
  6352. relationship advice?
  6353.  
  6354. 1426
  6355. 01:12:02,651 --> 01:12:04,361
  6356. -Relationship advice?
  6357. -[interviewer] Mm-hmm.
  6358.  
  6359. 1427
  6360. 01:12:04,445 --> 01:12:06,572
  6361. No, but I've asked him to stop putting ice
  6362.  
  6363. 1428
  6364. 01:12:06,655 --> 01:12:09,908
  6365. in my Château Pétrus wine.
  6366.  
  6367. 1429
  6368. 01:12:09,992 --> 01:12:11,618
  6369. [laughs]
  6370.  
  6371. 1430
  6372. 01:12:11,702 --> 01:12:12,536
  6373. Yeah, I do.
  6374.  
  6375. 1431
  6376. 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,371
  6377. Just trying to get on my nerves.
  6378.  
  6379. 1432
  6380. 01:12:14,455 --> 01:12:16,332
  6381. -[Avant] I swear to God.
  6382. -It's all he's trying to do.
  6383.  
  6384. 1433
  6385. 01:12:17,249 --> 01:12:18,667
  6386. When you see Clarence and Quincy,
  6387.  
  6388. 1434
  6389. 01:12:18,751 --> 01:12:21,253
  6390. it reminds you
  6391. of whoever you hang out with, your homie.
  6392.  
  6393. 1435
  6394. 01:12:21,628 --> 01:12:24,089
  6395. Like, no matter they age,
  6396.  
  6397. 1436
  6398. 01:12:24,423 --> 01:12:26,050
  6399. they still busting each other's balls.
  6400.  
  6401. 1437
  6402. 01:12:26,133 --> 01:12:28,969
  6403. Oh, wine is just like Pepsi-Cola to me.
  6404.  
  6405. 1438
  6406. 01:12:29,887 --> 01:12:32,181
  6407. -Pepsi-Cola, man?
  6408. -[Avant] You just put ice in it to...
  6409.  
  6410. 1439
  6411. 01:12:32,264 --> 01:12:33,098
  6412. Get outta here, man.
  6413.  
  6414. 1440
  6415. 01:12:33,182 --> 01:12:34,892
  6416. It's like ice water. Same shit.
  6417.  
  6418. 1441
  6419. 01:12:34,975 --> 01:12:36,727
  6420. You have to be
  6421. from Climax to think like that.
  6422.  
  6423. 1442
  6424. 01:12:36,810 --> 01:12:38,520
  6425. [laughing]
  6426.  
  6427. 1443
  6428. 01:12:41,273 --> 01:12:43,484
  6429. [man] 1982...
  6430.  
  6431. 1444
  6432. 01:12:44,151 --> 01:12:46,278
  6433. I was then a young lawyer,
  6434.  
  6435. 1445
  6436. 01:12:46,362 --> 01:12:47,696
  6437. fresh out of law school,
  6438.  
  6439. 1446
  6440. 01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:49,907
  6441. working at CBS Records
  6442. in the law department.
  6443.  
  6444. 1447
  6445. 01:12:50,741 --> 01:12:52,743
  6446. Universal Pictures released a film
  6447.  
  6448. 1448
  6449. 01:12:52,826 --> 01:12:54,787
  6450. called E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial,
  6451.  
  6452. 1449
  6453. 01:12:55,371 --> 01:12:57,706
  6454. which became
  6455. one of the most successful films
  6456.  
  6457. 1450
  6458. 01:12:57,790 --> 01:12:58,832
  6459. of all time.
  6460.  
  6461. 1451
  6462. 01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:01,043
  6463. Universal decided
  6464.  
  6465. 1452
  6466. 01:13:01,126 --> 01:13:05,798
  6467. that they would put out
  6468. a storybook box set album,
  6469.  
  6470. 1453
  6471. 01:13:05,881 --> 01:13:08,425
  6472. to be produced by Quincy Jones,
  6473.  
  6474. 1454
  6475. 01:13:09,009 --> 01:13:11,220
  6476. executive produced by Steven Spielberg,
  6477.  
  6478. 1455
  6479. 01:13:11,303 --> 01:13:13,472
  6480. narrated by Michael Jackson.
  6481.  
  6482. 1456
  6483. 01:13:14,473 --> 01:13:18,352
  6484. The only problem was Michael Jackson
  6485. wasn't signed to Universal.
  6486.  
  6487. 1457
  6488. 01:13:18,435 --> 01:13:20,771
  6489. Michael Jackson was signed to CBS.
  6490.  
  6491. 1458
  6492. 01:13:21,522 --> 01:13:23,482
  6493. Michael did something. Quincy knows.
  6494.  
  6495. 1459
  6496. 01:13:24,233 --> 01:13:26,402
  6497. He made a whole CD...
  6498.  
  6499. 1460
  6500. 01:13:27,027 --> 01:13:28,445
  6501. and didn't get permission.
  6502.  
  6503. 1461
  6504. 01:13:28,612 --> 01:13:31,740
  6505. No one had asked permission from CBS,
  6506.  
  6507. 1462
  6508. 01:13:32,533 --> 01:13:35,494
  6509. and then head of CBS was
  6510. a man named Walter Yetnikoff.
  6511.  
  6512. 1463
  6513. 01:13:35,577 --> 01:13:39,790
  6514. He viewed this as an act of betrayal
  6515. and a declaration of war.
  6516.  
  6517. 1464
  6518. 01:13:41,792 --> 01:13:44,002
  6519. He sued Universal,
  6520.  
  6521. 1465
  6522. 01:13:44,086 --> 01:13:48,215
  6523. got a temporary restraining order
  6524. to stop the album, um,
  6525.  
  6526. 1466
  6527. 01:13:48,465 --> 01:13:51,927
  6528. and all of us end up
  6529. in a big conference room.
  6530.  
  6531. 1467
  6532. 01:13:53,137 --> 01:13:56,223
  6533. Universal has its litigators
  6534. at the meeting.
  6535.  
  6536. 1468
  6537. 01:13:56,306 --> 01:13:58,517
  6538. Sony has its litigators at the meeting.
  6539.  
  6540. 1469
  6541. 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,436
  6542. Michael Jackson's representatives
  6543. are there.
  6544.  
  6545. 1470
  6546. 01:14:00,519 --> 01:14:02,646
  6547. Steven Spielberg's representatives,
  6548.  
  6549. 1471
  6550. 01:14:02,729 --> 01:14:04,440
  6551. Quincy Jones' representatives...
  6552.  
  6553. 1472
  6554. 01:14:04,731 --> 01:14:07,276
  6555. And in the middle
  6556. of this big conference room
  6557.  
  6558. 1473
  6559. 01:14:07,359 --> 01:14:08,694
  6560. is Clarence Avant.
  6561.  
  6562. 1474
  6563. 01:14:11,155 --> 01:14:15,242
  6564. And I turn to the general manager
  6565. of CBS Records, and I say,
  6566.  
  6567. 1475
  6568. 01:14:15,325 --> 01:14:17,703
  6569. "This Clarence Avant,
  6570. what is he doing here?
  6571.  
  6572. 1476
  6573. 01:14:17,786 --> 01:14:18,996
  6574. Who does he represent?"
  6575.  
  6576. 1477
  6577. 01:14:19,496 --> 01:14:21,957
  6578. Without missing a beat, he said,
  6579.  
  6580. 1478
  6581. 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,043
  6582. "Clarence?
  6583. Clarence represents everyone here."
  6584.  
  6585. 1479
  6586. 01:14:25,586 --> 01:14:28,630
  6587. So, I met with them.
  6588.  
  6589. 1480
  6590. 01:14:29,631 --> 01:14:30,674
  6591. Worked it out.
  6592.  
  6593. 1481
  6594. 01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:32,885
  6595. The rest is history.
  6596.  
  6597. 1482
  6598. 01:14:32,968 --> 01:14:35,679
  6599. [E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial theme plays]
  6600.  
  6601. 1483
  6602. 01:14:38,932 --> 01:14:43,103
  6603. He was able to maneuver
  6604. and resolve so many issues.
  6605.  
  6606. 1484
  6607. 01:14:43,187 --> 01:14:46,023
  6608. It was crazy!
  6609. I'm like, "How was this guy doing it?"
  6610.  
  6611. 1485
  6612. 01:14:46,106 --> 01:14:48,150
  6613. But he was that go-to guy.
  6614.  
  6615. 1486
  6616. 01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:52,196
  6617. Michael wanted to thank my dad
  6618. for his help with E.T.,
  6619.  
  6620. 1487
  6621. 01:14:52,279 --> 01:14:53,739
  6622. so a few years later,
  6623.  
  6624. 1488
  6625. 01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:56,158
  6626. they asked him to promote the Bad tour.
  6627.  
  6628. 1489
  6629. 01:14:56,575 --> 01:14:58,202
  6630. [Avant] Michael wanted me to do his tour
  6631.  
  6632. 1490
  6633. 01:14:58,911 --> 01:14:59,912
  6634. with just him.
  6635.  
  6636. 1491
  6637. 01:15:00,496 --> 01:15:01,747
  6638. And I turned Michael down.
  6639.  
  6640. 1492
  6641. 01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:03,707
  6642. I said, "I'm not a fucking promoter."
  6643.  
  6644. 1493
  6645. 01:15:04,625 --> 01:15:07,503
  6646. [man] I walked into his office one time,
  6647. and he started saying,
  6648.  
  6649. 1494
  6650. 01:15:07,586 --> 01:15:10,881
  6651. "Man, you know,
  6652. Quincy put me down with Michael.
  6653.  
  6654. 1495
  6655. 01:15:10,964 --> 01:15:12,674
  6656. They want me to do some tour."
  6657.  
  6658. 1496
  6659. 01:15:13,926 --> 01:15:15,260
  6660. I said, "The Bad tour?"
  6661.  
  6662. 1497
  6663. 01:15:16,094 --> 01:15:17,054
  6664. "Yeah, I guess."
  6665.  
  6666. 1498
  6667. 01:15:19,014 --> 01:15:21,225
  6668. "Is that a problem?" [chuckle]
  6669.  
  6670. 1499
  6671. 01:15:21,308 --> 01:15:22,976
  6672. You know, I'm thinking to myself,
  6673.  
  6674. 1500
  6675. 01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:24,520
  6676. "What a great opportunity!"
  6677.  
  6678. 1501
  6679. 01:15:24,603 --> 01:15:27,022
  6680. And he said,
  6681. "I don't know what to do with this."
  6682.  
  6683. 1502
  6684. 01:15:27,105 --> 01:15:29,316
  6685. So, you know, I said, "There's one person
  6686.  
  6687. 1503
  6688. 01:15:29,942 --> 01:15:32,277
  6689. who I know, who I've dealt with,
  6690.  
  6691. 1504
  6692. 01:15:32,903 --> 01:15:39,201
  6693. who actually knows all the ins and outs
  6694. of every building that is important
  6695.  
  6696. 1505
  6697. 01:15:39,284 --> 01:15:41,078
  6698. for this tour in America,
  6699.  
  6700. 1506
  6701. 01:15:41,828 --> 01:15:43,080
  6702. And that's Al Haymon."
  6703.  
  6704. 1507
  6705. 01:15:44,289 --> 01:15:48,043
  6706. So we brought in Al,
  6707. and that completely locked it down.
  6708.  
  6709. 1508
  6710. 01:15:48,627 --> 01:15:49,545
  6711. [news reporter] Inside the arena,
  6712.  
  6713. 1509
  6714. 01:15:49,628 --> 01:15:52,923
  6715. one of the biggest
  6716. and most elaborate stage sets ever built,
  6717.  
  6718. 1510
  6719. 01:15:53,006 --> 01:15:54,675
  6720. erected in just four days.
  6721.  
  6722. 1511
  6723. 01:15:54,758 --> 01:15:56,802
  6724. Ninety thousand packed the park,
  6725.  
  6726. 1512
  6727. 01:15:56,885 --> 01:16:00,097
  6728. ten thousand more
  6729. than for Springsteen, Genesis, or Madonna,
  6730.  
  6731. 1513
  6732. 01:16:00,180 --> 01:16:01,640
  6733. and they weren't disappointed.
  6734.  
  6735. 1514
  6736. 01:16:01,723 --> 01:16:04,768
  6737. ♪ Bringing brighter days ♪
  6738.  
  6739. 1515
  6740. 01:16:04,851 --> 01:16:07,646
  6741. ♪ They're all in line waiting for you ♪
  6742.  
  6743. 1516
  6744. 01:16:07,729 --> 01:16:11,775
  6745. ♪ So know the truth
  6746. You're just another part of me ♪
  6747.  
  6748. 1517
  6749. 01:16:11,858 --> 01:16:14,778
  6750. [Lombard]
  6751. Al could do everything that was required
  6752.  
  6753. 1518
  6754. 01:16:14,861 --> 01:16:17,531
  6755. of the position they had put Clarence in.
  6756.  
  6757. 1519
  6758. 01:16:17,614 --> 01:16:21,076
  6759. Clarence looked upon Al
  6760. as a high-achieving son.
  6761.  
  6762. 1520
  6763. 01:16:22,578 --> 01:16:24,997
  6764. You know, like,
  6765. "This is one of my mentees,
  6766.  
  6767. 1521
  6768. 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,957
  6769. and look at what he does."
  6770.  
  6771. 1522
  6772. 01:16:27,749 --> 01:16:28,792
  6773. [Alex] Everyone was asking,
  6774.  
  6775. 1523
  6776. 01:16:28,875 --> 01:16:32,713
  6777. "Are you gonna be in the record industry
  6778. like your father, follow his footsteps?"
  6779.  
  6780. 1524
  6781. 01:16:32,796 --> 01:16:37,426
  6782. It's... I think Al Haymon taught me,
  6783. those are some... deep, deep shoes.
  6784.  
  6785. 1525
  6786. 01:16:38,552 --> 01:16:41,346
  6787. It's too much. It was too much pressure.
  6788.  
  6789. 1526
  6790. 01:16:43,015 --> 01:16:45,684
  6791. [George] In the wake of
  6792. the fall of Sussex Records,
  6793.  
  6794. 1527
  6795. 01:16:45,892 --> 01:16:47,311
  6796. Clarence dusts himself off...
  6797.  
  6798. 1528
  6799. 01:16:48,353 --> 01:16:49,605
  6800. ...and starts another label.
  6801.  
  6802. 1529
  6803. 01:16:49,938 --> 01:16:51,481
  6804. [Adolph] Taboo, you know, the forbidden.
  6805.  
  6806. 1530
  6807. 01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:54,276
  6808. That which is out of reach,
  6809. that which you shouldn't have.
  6810.  
  6811. 1531
  6812. 01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:56,903
  6813. The unorthodox,
  6814. the unexpected, the surprise.
  6815.  
  6816. 1532
  6817. 01:16:57,112 --> 01:16:57,946
  6818. Classic Clarence.
  6819.  
  6820. 1533
  6821. 01:16:58,030 --> 01:17:01,116
  6822. And as they join us to do
  6823. their latest single on the Tabu label,
  6824.  
  6825. 1534
  6826. 01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:03,994
  6827. an absolute smash
  6828. entitled "Take Your Time,"
  6829.  
  6830. 1535
  6831. 01:17:04,119 --> 01:17:05,912
  6832. let's welcome from Atlanta, Georgia,
  6833.  
  6834. 1536
  6835. 01:17:05,996 --> 01:17:08,248
  6836. the SOS Band.
  6837.  
  6838. 1537
  6839. 01:17:08,332 --> 01:17:10,334
  6840. -[applause]
  6841. -["Take Your Time" plays]
  6842.  
  6843. 1538
  6844. 01:17:16,465 --> 01:17:19,051
  6845. [woman] The first time I ever heard
  6846. the name Clarence Avant,
  6847.  
  6848. 1539
  6849. 01:17:20,344 --> 01:17:22,638
  6850. it was the SOS Band's...
  6851.  
  6852. 1540
  6853. 01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:25,307
  6854. ♪ Baby, we can do it
  6855. Take your time ♪
  6856.  
  6857. 1541
  6858. 01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:28,352
  6859. ♪ Do it right
  6860. We can do it, baby ♪
  6861.  
  6862. 1542
  6863. 01:17:28,435 --> 01:17:30,354
  6864. ♪ Do it tonight ♪
  6865.  
  6866. 1543
  6867. 01:17:30,437 --> 01:17:34,274
  6868. ♪ Baby, we can do it
  6869. Take the time, do it right ♪
  6870.  
  6871. 1544
  6872. 01:17:34,358 --> 01:17:37,778
  6873. ♪ We can do it, baby
  6874. Do it tonight ♪
  6875.  
  6876. 1545
  6877. 01:17:37,861 --> 01:17:39,655
  6878. [George] The '80s brings in technology,
  6879.  
  6880. 1546
  6881. 01:17:40,572 --> 01:17:44,368
  6882. so, literally, the texture
  6883. of the music sonically changes.
  6884.  
  6885. 1547
  6886. 01:17:44,451 --> 01:17:45,786
  6887. The LinnDrum,
  6888.  
  6889. 1548
  6890. 01:17:45,869 --> 01:17:48,830
  6891. 808, all kinds of synthesized keyboards.
  6892.  
  6893. 1549
  6894. 01:17:48,914 --> 01:17:52,834
  6895. All this music that in 1972 was made
  6896. by human beings alone
  6897.  
  6898. 1550
  6899. 01:17:52,918 --> 01:17:55,462
  6900. is now made with computers
  6901. of various kinds.
  6902.  
  6903. 1551
  6904. 01:17:56,588 --> 01:17:59,257
  6905. The producer now didn't need
  6906. a house band.
  6907.  
  6908. 1552
  6909. 01:17:59,341 --> 01:18:01,468
  6910. And it becomes much more, even more so,
  6911.  
  6912. 1553
  6913. 01:18:01,551 --> 01:18:04,012
  6914. about the masterminds of the music.
  6915.  
  6916. 1554
  6917. 01:18:04,096 --> 01:18:07,015
  6918. And it tends to be one- or two-man teams.
  6919.  
  6920. 1555
  6921. 01:18:07,974 --> 01:18:12,187
  6922. [woman] I was managing these guys,
  6923. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis,
  6924.  
  6925. 1556
  6926. 01:18:12,562 --> 01:18:16,108
  6927. and Clarence was looking
  6928. for someone to produce SOS Band.
  6929.  
  6930. 1557
  6931. 01:18:16,191 --> 01:18:17,901
  6932. I told him, "I've got these guys.
  6933. You know,
  6934.  
  6935. 1558
  6936. 01:18:17,984 --> 01:18:21,071
  6937. they're with The Time, you know,
  6938. but they're producers, you know.
  6939.  
  6940. 1559
  6941. 01:18:21,154 --> 01:18:23,156
  6942. They want to do some other things
  6943. outside of Prince."
  6944.  
  6945. 1560
  6946. 01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:26,451
  6947. He saw that these guys had talent.
  6948.  
  6949. 1561
  6950. 01:18:26,535 --> 01:18:29,538
  6951. He gave them the shot,
  6952. the first real shot.
  6953.  
  6954. 1562
  6955. 01:18:30,122 --> 01:18:32,582
  6956. [man] And so we went in, and he said,
  6957.  
  6958. 1563
  6959. 01:18:32,666 --> 01:18:34,126
  6960. "You'll be producing some songs."
  6961.  
  6962. 1564
  6963. 01:18:35,168 --> 01:18:36,837
  6964. We're like, "Whoa!" 
  6965.  
  6966. 1565
  6967. 01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,590
  6968. Our then manager/agent,
  6969. he asked her to leave.
  6970.  
  6971. 1566
  6972. 01:18:41,591 --> 01:18:46,012
  6973. And he said, "Now, I got a problem
  6974. with what you're asking for."
  6975.  
  6976. 1567
  6977. 01:18:47,180 --> 01:18:50,517
  6978. We're like, "Oh, no, Mr. Avant.
  6979. Whatever you need, 
  6980.  
  6981. 1568
  6982. 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,229
  6983. if we've asked for too much, you know,
  6984. we can do it for less or whatever."
  6985.  
  6986. 1569
  6987. 01:18:54,396 --> 01:18:55,480
  6988. He said, "No. 
  6989.  
  6990. 1570
  6991. 01:18:56,398 --> 01:18:57,816
  6992. She didn't ask for enough.
  6993.  
  6994. 1571
  6995. 01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:00,318
  6996. You can't do a record on that.
  6997.  
  6998. 1572
  6999. 01:19:00,402 --> 01:19:02,362
  7000. You need some money for this,
  7001. some money for that,
  7002.  
  7003. 1573
  7004. 01:19:02,446 --> 01:19:05,365
  7005. you need some money for this."
  7006. You know, and we were like...
  7007.  
  7008. 1574
  7009. 01:19:06,241 --> 01:19:08,452
  7010. I-- At that point in my life,
  7011.  
  7012. 1575
  7013. 01:19:09,202 --> 01:19:12,080
  7014. as a black man,
  7015. I had never met an honorable man
  7016.  
  7017. 1576
  7018. 01:19:12,164 --> 01:19:15,083
  7019. who would give you more
  7020. than you asked for...
  7021.  
  7022. 1577
  7023. 01:19:15,917 --> 01:19:18,044
  7024. and enough that you needed.
  7025.  
  7026. 1578
  7027. 01:19:18,128 --> 01:19:20,297
  7028. That told you everything you needed
  7029. to know about him,
  7030.  
  7031. 1579
  7032. 01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:22,132
  7033. -right in that first meeting.
  7034. -Yes.
  7035.  
  7036. 1580
  7037. 01:19:22,215 --> 01:19:24,342
  7038. ♪ People always talking about ♪
  7039.  
  7040. 1581
  7041. 01:19:26,219 --> 01:19:27,846
  7042. ♪ Your reputation ♪
  7043.  
  7044. 1582
  7045. 01:19:31,057 --> 01:19:34,561
  7046. ♪ I don't care about your other girls ♪
  7047.  
  7048. 1583
  7049. 01:19:34,644 --> 01:19:36,480
  7050. ♪ Just be good to me ♪
  7051.  
  7052. 1584
  7053. 01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:39,858
  7054. [Don Cornelius] How does it feel to have
  7055.  
  7056. 1585
  7057. 01:19:39,941 --> 01:19:42,694
  7058. the biggest record on the planet here,
  7059. folks? Anybody wanna--
  7060.  
  7061. 1586
  7062. 01:19:42,778 --> 01:19:44,154
  7063. Great!
  7064.  
  7065. 1587
  7066. 01:19:45,197 --> 01:19:48,241
  7067. We give all the thanks to Allah,
  7068. and Jimmy, and Terry,
  7069.  
  7070. 1588
  7071. 01:19:48,325 --> 01:19:49,993
  7072. which came in the nick of time.
  7073.  
  7074. 1589
  7075. 01:19:50,076 --> 01:19:54,247
  7076. [Avant] And so, Tabu became alive
  7077. after Jimmy and Terry got involved.
  7078.  
  7079. 1590
  7080. 01:19:54,331 --> 01:19:56,583
  7081. If you wanted Jam and Lewis
  7082. to produce you,
  7083.  
  7084. 1591
  7085. 01:19:56,666 --> 01:19:58,710
  7086. they had to do at least five tracks.
  7087.  
  7088. 1592
  7089. 01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:02,047
  7090. You got five songs, five more copyrights.
  7091.  
  7092. 1593
  7093. 01:20:02,130 --> 01:20:04,174
  7094. Clarence spent a lot of time with them,
  7095.  
  7096. 1594
  7097. 01:20:04,466 --> 01:20:07,093
  7098. schooling them,
  7099. teaching them the business.
  7100.  
  7101. 1595
  7102. 01:20:08,804 --> 01:20:10,764
  7103. [Harrell] He had a flurry of hit records.
  7104.  
  7105. 1596
  7106. 01:20:10,847 --> 01:20:12,641
  7107. Uh, he had the SOS Band.
  7108.  
  7109. 1597
  7110. 01:20:12,724 --> 01:20:15,519
  7111. He had Cherrelle.
  7112. What was Cherrelle's song?
  7113.  
  7114. 1598
  7115. 01:20:16,061 --> 01:20:18,772
  7116. ♪ I didn't mean to turn you on ♪
  7117.  
  7118. 1599
  7119. 01:20:18,939 --> 01:20:21,107
  7120. ♪ Didn't mean to turn you on! ♪
  7121.  
  7122. 1600
  7123. 01:20:21,191 --> 01:20:23,819
  7124. [exclaims, laughs]
  7125.  
  7126. 1601
  7127. 01:20:24,402 --> 01:20:25,654
  7128. [Lewis] Then one day,
  7129.  
  7130. 1602
  7131. 01:20:25,862 --> 01:20:28,740
  7132. we brought Alexander O'Neal
  7133. into the studio
  7134.  
  7135. 1603
  7136. 01:20:28,824 --> 01:20:30,325
  7137. and sent Clarence the tracks.
  7138.  
  7139. 1604
  7140. 01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:31,785
  7141. [Jam] He said...
  7142.  
  7143. 1605
  7144. 01:20:32,244 --> 01:20:34,746
  7145. "This motherfucker you sent me,
  7146. what's that motherfucker's name?"
  7147.  
  7148. 1606
  7149. 01:20:35,205 --> 01:20:36,456
  7150. I said, "Alexander O'Neal."
  7151.  
  7152. 1607
  7153. 01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:38,083
  7154. Who is he?
  7155.  
  7156. 1608
  7157. 01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:41,127
  7158. "He Irish or something?"
  7159. And we said, "No, he's black, Clarence."
  7160.  
  7161. 1609
  7162. 01:20:41,211 --> 01:20:43,797
  7163. [stammers] "O'Neal! What kind of name
  7164. is that for a black man? Huh?
  7165.  
  7166. 1610
  7167. 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,382
  7168. Yeah, well, have him come on out."
  7169.  
  7170. 1611
  7171. 01:20:45,465 --> 01:20:47,133
  7172. -Right.
  7173. -You know?
  7174.  
  7175. 1612
  7176. 01:20:47,717 --> 01:20:50,053
  7177. ♪ There's never any question ♪
  7178.  
  7179. 1613
  7180. 01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:51,221
  7181. ♪ Uh-uh ♪
  7182.  
  7183. 1614
  7184. 01:20:51,346 --> 01:20:54,182
  7185. ♪ You will be my Saturday love ♪
  7186.  
  7187. 1615
  7188. 01:20:54,266 --> 01:20:57,227
  7189. [as O'Neal]
  7190. ♪ There's never any question! ♪
  7191.  
  7192. 1616
  7193. 01:20:57,310 --> 01:20:58,436
  7194. I'm like, how did he--
  7195.  
  7196. 1617
  7197. 01:20:58,979 --> 01:21:00,856
  7198. He said "querstion." I love that.
  7199.  
  7200. 1618
  7201. 01:21:01,189 --> 01:21:02,524
  7202. ♪ There's never any...♪
  7203.  
  7204. 1619
  7205. 01:21:02,607 --> 01:21:04,776
  7206. -♪ Question ♪
  7207. -♪ Uh-uh ♪
  7208.  
  7209. 1620
  7210. 01:21:04,901 --> 01:21:08,238
  7211. -♪ You will be my Saturday love!♪
  7212. -♪ You can be my Saturday, Sunday, Mon-- ♪
  7213.  
  7214. 1621
  7215. 01:21:08,321 --> 01:21:09,948
  7216. ♪ Sunday Monday Tuesday... ♪
  7217.  
  7218. 1622
  7219. 01:21:10,031 --> 01:21:10,907
  7220. [Cherrelle] We knew
  7221.  
  7222. 1623
  7223. 01:21:10,991 --> 01:21:15,370
  7224. that all we wanted to do was make
  7225. our godfather happy.
  7226.  
  7227. 1624
  7228. 01:21:16,121 --> 01:21:18,248
  7229. ♪ Never on Sunday ♪
  7230.  
  7231. 1625
  7232. 01:21:18,331 --> 01:21:20,250
  7233. ♪ Monday's too soon ♪
  7234.  
  7235. 1626
  7236. 01:21:20,333 --> 01:21:23,587
  7237. [Harrell] All these records were records
  7238. I was partying hard to.
  7239.  
  7240. 1627
  7241. 01:21:23,670 --> 01:21:26,172
  7242. Dancing my ass off to in the clubs, so...
  7243.  
  7244. 1628
  7245. 01:21:26,965 --> 01:21:31,011
  7246. in my mind, he was partial man,
  7247. partial god in terms of tastemaker.
  7248.  
  7249. 1629
  7250. 01:21:31,469 --> 01:21:33,805
  7251. Clarence managing, uh, uh...
  7252.  
  7253. 1630
  7254. 01:21:33,889 --> 01:21:36,892
  7255. Jimmy and Terry
  7256. helped make the Janet album.
  7257.  
  7258. 1631
  7259. 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:41,354
  7260. What're you doing? You're working!
  7261.  
  7262. 1632
  7263. 01:21:41,438 --> 01:21:45,191
  7264. Not anymore, Lou.
  7265. I'm gonna be a big star!
  7266.  
  7267. 1633
  7268. 01:21:46,651 --> 01:21:48,987
  7269. [Moss] Janet was signed as a 15-year-old.
  7270.  
  7271. 1634
  7272. 01:21:49,738 --> 01:21:51,740
  7273. She had made a couple of records
  7274. with her father.
  7275.  
  7276. 1635
  7277. 01:21:51,823 --> 01:21:54,784
  7278. ♪ Come give your love to me ♪
  7279.  
  7280. 1636
  7281. 01:21:54,868 --> 01:21:57,662
  7282. [Moss] Nobody knew what to do with her,
  7283. nobody was listening.
  7284.  
  7285. 1637
  7286. 01:21:57,746 --> 01:22:01,875
  7287. And I think what Clarence's real gift was,
  7288. is finding people who had ears.
  7289.  
  7290. 1638
  7291. 01:22:02,334 --> 01:22:04,294
  7292. [Nicole] My father said, "Wait a minute!
  7293.  
  7294. 1639
  7295. 01:22:04,377 --> 01:22:06,630
  7296. I have these two young guys
  7297. from Minneapolis.
  7298.  
  7299. 1640
  7300. 01:22:06,713 --> 01:22:07,839
  7301. They worked on SOS.
  7302.  
  7303. 1641
  7304. 01:22:07,923 --> 01:22:10,675
  7305. They gave me a couple hits.
  7306. They went to number one,
  7307.  
  7308. 1642
  7309. 01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:12,052
  7310. and they're living in LA.
  7311.  
  7312. 1643
  7313. 01:22:12,636 --> 01:22:14,638
  7314. We should just put them together."
  7315.  
  7316. 1644
  7317. 01:22:17,182 --> 01:22:18,183
  7318. [Janet Jackson] Terry!
  7319.  
  7320. 1645
  7321. 01:22:18,892 --> 01:22:20,185
  7322. Break it down!
  7323.  
  7324. 1646
  7325. 01:22:21,394 --> 01:22:22,270
  7326. Right here!
  7327.  
  7328. 1647
  7329. 01:22:25,899 --> 01:22:26,816
  7330. Jimmy Jam!
  7331.  
  7332. 1648
  7333. 01:22:34,366 --> 01:22:37,410
  7334. Very special, one man's name that...
  7335.  
  7336. 1649
  7337. 01:22:38,536 --> 01:22:41,373
  7338. means the world to us.
  7339. He means the world to us.
  7340.  
  7341. 1650
  7342. 01:22:41,456 --> 01:22:43,667
  7343. A gentleman named Mr. Clarence Avant.
  7344.  
  7345. 1651
  7346. 01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:45,627
  7347. [applause]
  7348.  
  7349. 1652
  7350. 01:22:45,710 --> 01:22:48,046
  7351. [Nicole]
  7352. And I remember after the Control album--
  7353.  
  7354. 1653
  7355. 01:22:48,672 --> 01:22:49,839
  7356. [Lewis] Clarence!
  7357.  
  7358. 1654
  7359. 01:22:49,923 --> 01:22:51,132
  7360. The phone was ringing more.
  7361.  
  7362. 1655
  7363. 01:22:51,216 --> 01:22:53,385
  7364. People were always at the house
  7365. on a Sunday.
  7366.  
  7367. 1656
  7368. 01:22:53,468 --> 01:22:56,304
  7369. It didn't matter who it was.
  7370. One day I'd walk in, it's Bobby Brown,
  7371.  
  7372. 1657
  7373. 01:22:56,388 --> 01:22:58,014
  7374. or Whitney Houston.
  7375. Everybody was coming. 
  7376.  
  7377. 1658
  7378. 01:22:58,098 --> 01:22:59,891
  7379. Everybody just started flooding the house.
  7380.  
  7381. 1659
  7382. 01:22:59,975 --> 01:23:01,184
  7383. Questions, questions.
  7384.  
  7385. 1660
  7386. 01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:04,020
  7387. "Can you help me with this deal?"
  7388. Or, "Can you--" It just happened.
  7389.  
  7390. 1661
  7391. 01:23:09,025 --> 01:23:10,527
  7392. [Azoff] In 1983,
  7393.  
  7394. 1662
  7395. 01:23:10,819 --> 01:23:15,031
  7396. I went to run a place
  7397. that was then called MCA Records.
  7398.  
  7399. 1663
  7400. 01:23:15,115 --> 01:23:17,242
  7401. I probably had the job maybe a week,
  7402.  
  7403. 1664
  7404. 01:23:17,325 --> 01:23:19,911
  7405. and I get a call from our chairman,
  7406. Lew Wasserman,
  7407.  
  7408. 1665
  7409. 01:23:19,995 --> 01:23:20,996
  7410. and he says,
  7411.  
  7412. 1666
  7413. 01:23:21,079 --> 01:23:23,498
  7414. "Clarence Avant would like to have lunch
  7415. with you."
  7416.  
  7417. 1667
  7418. 01:23:24,082 --> 01:23:26,668
  7419. And I remember we went
  7420. to the Chinese restaurant up at the lot,
  7421.  
  7422. 1668
  7423. 01:23:26,751 --> 01:23:28,461
  7424. and we're sitting there talking,
  7425. and he said,
  7426.  
  7427. 1669
  7428. 01:23:28,545 --> 01:23:29,921
  7429. "Would you like any help
  7430.  
  7431. 1670
  7432. 01:23:31,089 --> 01:23:34,050
  7433. putting MCA
  7434. into the black music business?"
  7435.  
  7436. 1671
  7437. 01:23:34,676 --> 01:23:36,553
  7438. And I said, "Yeah, I really would."
  7439.  
  7440. 1672
  7441. 01:23:36,636 --> 01:23:39,431
  7442. He says, "That's good, 'cause I'm gonna
  7443. tell you what to do anyway."
  7444.  
  7445. 1673
  7446. 01:23:39,514 --> 01:23:41,307
  7447. [all laughing]
  7448.  
  7449. 1674
  7450. 01:23:41,933 --> 01:23:45,145
  7451. And that's what I say about Clarence:
  7452. he was never looking for permission.
  7453.  
  7454. 1675
  7455. 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,274
  7456. Which is still an unusual thing
  7457. in the culture, you know,
  7458.  
  7459. 1676
  7460. 01:23:49,357 --> 01:23:52,068
  7461. the idea of a black voice being heard
  7462. the way it needed to be heard.
  7463.  
  7464. 1677
  7465. 01:23:54,779 --> 01:23:57,157
  7466. [George] One of the things
  7467. that's magical or interesting to me
  7468.  
  7469. 1678
  7470. 01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:58,324
  7471. about Clarence's career
  7472.  
  7473. 1679
  7474. 01:23:58,408 --> 01:24:00,535
  7475. is that there's all this history
  7476. in the '70s
  7477.  
  7478. 1680
  7479. 01:24:00,618 --> 01:24:02,912
  7480. of him having a record company
  7481. and stuff.
  7482.  
  7483. 1681
  7484. 01:24:02,996 --> 01:24:05,540
  7485. When I encounter him as a young writer
  7486. in the '80s,
  7487.  
  7488. 1682
  7489. 01:24:05,623 --> 01:24:07,459
  7490. it feels like he's transitioned
  7491. to another place
  7492.  
  7493. 1683
  7494. 01:24:07,542 --> 01:24:09,794
  7495. in terms of what his role is
  7496. in the industry.
  7497.  
  7498. 1684
  7499. 01:24:11,713 --> 01:24:14,758
  7500. [Rev. Sharpton] Clarence was the guy
  7501. that could place you.
  7502.  
  7503. 1685
  7504. 01:24:14,841 --> 01:24:19,554
  7505. RCA, Polydor, CBS Records, Epic, all that.
  7506.  
  7507. 1686
  7508. 01:24:19,637 --> 01:24:22,807
  7509. And I begin to realize that
  7510. it wasn't simply that he was having
  7511.  
  7512. 1687
  7513. 01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:25,310
  7514. young black executives be vetted
  7515.  
  7516. 1688
  7517. 01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:27,187
  7518. for, like, white executives.
  7519.  
  7520. 1689
  7521. 01:24:28,605 --> 01:24:30,815
  7522. It was that the white executives
  7523. were listening to him.
  7524.  
  7525. 1690
  7526. 01:24:31,524 --> 01:24:34,319
  7527. [Azoff] He staffed
  7528. our entire black music label.
  7529.  
  7530. 1691
  7531. 01:24:34,819 --> 01:24:37,739
  7532. I, right then, figured out,
  7533. he's the godfather.
  7534.  
  7535. 1692
  7536. 01:24:40,408 --> 01:24:42,994
  7537. [Horowitz] All of us would go to him
  7538. from time to time
  7539.  
  7540. 1693
  7541. 01:24:43,078 --> 01:24:45,538
  7542. to ask about how to get someone
  7543. that we wanted,
  7544.  
  7545. 1694
  7546. 01:24:45,622 --> 01:24:48,416
  7547. how to make sure we didn't lose someone
  7548. that we wanted to keep.
  7549.  
  7550. 1695
  7551. 01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:52,128
  7552. Because, you see,
  7553. Clarence knows everybody.
  7554.  
  7555. 1696
  7556. 01:24:54,923 --> 01:24:56,341
  7557. You know, he knows everybody.
  7558.  
  7559. 1697
  7560. 01:24:57,759 --> 01:24:59,594
  7561. [Rev. Sharpton]
  7562. And everybody could trust him.
  7563.  
  7564. 1698
  7565. 01:24:59,677 --> 01:25:02,097
  7566. Say, well, if Clarence said it,
  7567.  
  7568. 1699
  7569. 01:25:02,180 --> 01:25:05,016
  7570. it must be all right,
  7571. 'cause Clarence is not going to get you
  7572.  
  7573. 1700
  7574. 01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:07,227
  7575. out there on something
  7576. that's gonna backfire.
  7577.  
  7578. 1701
  7579. 01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:08,978
  7580. What's extraordinary about him is...
  7581.  
  7582. 1702
  7583. 01:25:09,938 --> 01:25:13,233
  7584. he-- he's got this instinct
  7585. on young people, young executives.
  7586.  
  7587. 1703
  7588. 01:25:13,316 --> 01:25:17,195
  7589. He's been so involved in the careers
  7590. of so many young people,
  7591.  
  7592. 1704
  7593. 01:25:17,278 --> 01:25:19,155
  7594. not just in the entertainment industry, 
  7595.  
  7596. 1705
  7597. 01:25:19,239 --> 01:25:20,949
  7598. but just throughout.
  7599.  
  7600. 1706
  7601. 01:25:21,032 --> 01:25:22,033
  7602. He's always a person
  7603.  
  7604. 1707
  7605. 01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:24,536
  7606. that people say, "You should talk
  7607. to Clarence about that."
  7608.  
  7609. 1708
  7610. 01:25:24,619 --> 01:25:28,248
  7611. Every deal I had, every contract I got
  7612. as a record executive,
  7613.  
  7614. 1709
  7615. 01:25:28,915 --> 01:25:30,458
  7616. I would send it to Clarence.
  7617.  
  7618. 1710
  7619. 01:25:30,542 --> 01:25:32,252
  7620. What to ask for, what not to ask for, 
  7621.  
  7622. 1711
  7623. 01:25:32,335 --> 01:25:34,462
  7624. what to push back on,
  7625. what not to push back on.
  7626.  
  7627. 1712
  7628. 01:25:34,963 --> 01:25:38,633
  7629. Usually it was about,
  7630. for him, it was... money.
  7631.  
  7632. 1713
  7633. 01:25:39,217 --> 01:25:40,343
  7634. What's the money like?
  7635.  
  7636. 1714
  7637. 01:25:40,426 --> 01:25:43,638
  7638. And was it on par
  7639. with what white executives were getting?
  7640.  
  7641. 1715
  7642. 01:25:43,721 --> 01:25:46,683
  7643. If he thought it was right for you,
  7644. it was about the right thing for you.
  7645.  
  7646. 1716
  7647. 01:25:47,267 --> 01:25:49,686
  7648. I'd gone
  7649. from Berry Gordy's pet assistant--
  7650.  
  7651. 1717
  7652. 01:25:49,769 --> 01:25:53,148
  7653. I took care of his animals--
  7654. up to his assistant, and on and on.
  7655.  
  7656. 1718
  7657. 01:25:53,231 --> 01:25:55,608
  7658. And I'd hit this kind of ceiling
  7659. with the company,
  7660.  
  7661. 1719
  7662. 01:25:55,692 --> 01:25:57,443
  7663. and that's when I heard from Clarence.
  7664.  
  7665. 1720
  7666. 01:25:58,403 --> 01:26:02,407
  7667. He helped me construct a deal
  7668. at Warner Brothers Pictures
  7669.  
  7670. 1721
  7671. 01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:04,993
  7672. that allowed me to develop television
  7673. and film projects,
  7674.  
  7675. 1722
  7676. 01:26:05,076 --> 01:26:07,203
  7677. and ultimately,
  7678. to take some of those things to Quincy,
  7679.  
  7680. 1723
  7681. 01:26:07,287 --> 01:26:08,580
  7682. which we got made.
  7683.  
  7684. 1724
  7685. 01:26:09,789 --> 01:26:12,876
  7686. [Geffen]
  7687. If you wanted to get a job in Hollywood,
  7688.  
  7689. 1725
  7690. 01:26:12,959 --> 01:26:16,796
  7691. in the record business, or as an actor,
  7692. or with the studios,
  7693.  
  7694. 1726
  7695. 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,048
  7696. Clarence was the guy you went to.
  7697.  
  7698. 1727
  7699. 01:26:19,132 --> 01:26:21,259
  7700. And Clarence was the guy
  7701. that saw that you...
  7702.  
  7703. 1728
  7704. 01:26:21,843 --> 01:26:24,012
  7705. were taken care of,
  7706. that you weren't, uh...
  7707.  
  7708. 1729
  7709. 01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:26,431
  7710. shortchanged.
  7711.  
  7712. 1730
  7713. 01:26:26,514 --> 01:26:29,350
  7714. You know, we're in a business
  7715. with a bunch of assholes.
  7716.  
  7717. 1731
  7718. 01:26:29,434 --> 01:26:30,685
  7719. You got five of 'em sitting here.
  7720.  
  7721. 1732
  7722. 01:26:30,768 --> 01:26:32,437
  7723. [all laughing]
  7724.  
  7725. 1733
  7726. 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,981
  7727. You have to understand something:
  7728. when you walk into this town,
  7729.  
  7730. 1734
  7731. 01:26:35,064 --> 01:26:36,649
  7732. you are green.
  7733.  
  7734. 1735
  7735. 01:26:37,358 --> 01:26:40,320
  7736. You have no concept--
  7737. You know the music business,
  7738.  
  7739. 1736
  7740. 01:26:40,737 --> 01:26:42,906
  7741. but you don't know the business of music.
  7742.  
  7743. 1737
  7744. 01:26:43,198 --> 01:26:46,159
  7745. Making your money is the creative side.
  7746.  
  7747. 1738
  7748. 01:26:47,327 --> 01:26:49,996
  7749. Keeping your money is the Clarence side.
  7750.  
  7751. 1739
  7752. 01:26:50,705 --> 01:26:51,956
  7753. I'mma give it to you raw.
  7754.  
  7755. 1740
  7756. 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,043
  7757. Clarence makes sure
  7758. that you don't get fucked.
  7759.  
  7760. 1741
  7761. 01:26:56,127 --> 01:26:58,588
  7762. Straight up,
  7763. there's a lot of fuckin' going on
  7764.  
  7765. 1742
  7766. 01:26:58,671 --> 01:27:00,423
  7767. in the entertainment industry,
  7768.  
  7769. 1743
  7770. 01:27:00,590 --> 01:27:04,928
  7771. and if you are important
  7772. to the overall greater good,
  7773.  
  7774. 1744
  7775. 01:27:05,011 --> 01:27:07,513
  7776. he's gonna step in like Super Black Man.
  7777.  
  7778. 1745
  7779. 01:27:08,056 --> 01:27:09,432
  7780. When we went to meet him,
  7781.  
  7782. 1746
  7783. 01:27:09,515 --> 01:27:10,808
  7784. we also knew that...
  7785.  
  7786. 1747
  7787. 01:27:11,684 --> 01:27:14,062
  7788. you know, he handled Jimmy and Terry.
  7789.  
  7790. 1748
  7791. 01:27:14,938 --> 01:27:17,899
  7792. So, we needed to know him because...
  7793.  
  7794. 1749
  7795. 01:27:17,982 --> 01:27:20,526
  7796. -we wanted to be Jimmy and Terry.
  7797. -[Reid] Yeah.
  7798.  
  7799. 1750
  7800. 01:27:20,610 --> 01:27:22,487
  7801. [Babyface] You know,
  7802. we wanted to follow in their footsteps.
  7803.  
  7804. 1751
  7805. 01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:24,906
  7806. -[Reid] Exactly.
  7807. -[Babyface] And he was the gatekeeper.
  7808.  
  7809. 1752
  7810. 01:27:25,531 --> 01:27:27,659
  7811. [Jam] I remember running into L.A. Reid
  7812. and Babyface.
  7813.  
  7814. 1753
  7815. 01:27:27,742 --> 01:27:28,618
  7816. And I remember
  7817.  
  7818. 1754
  7819. 01:27:28,701 --> 01:27:31,412
  7820. people thought we were in competition
  7821. with each other,
  7822.  
  7823. 1755
  7824. 01:27:31,496 --> 01:27:33,164
  7825. and we'd never even met
  7826. the brothers before.
  7827.  
  7828. 1756
  7829. 01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:34,457
  7830. But we met them, and L.A. said,
  7831.  
  7832. 1757
  7833. 01:27:34,540 --> 01:27:36,417
  7834. "Hey, can you introduce me
  7835. to Clarence Avant?"
  7836.  
  7837. 1758
  7838. 01:27:36,501 --> 01:27:39,254
  7839. And I said, "Yeah. Absolutely, we can."
  7840.  
  7841. 1759
  7842. 01:27:39,337 --> 01:27:41,506
  7843. First, let's just talk about
  7844. hearing about Babyface,
  7845.  
  7846. 1760
  7847. 01:27:41,589 --> 01:27:43,967
  7848. 'cause I was trying to sing.
  7849. I was in college,
  7850.  
  7851. 1761
  7852. 01:27:44,050 --> 01:27:46,970
  7853. and one of my boys called me.
  7854. He said, "Man, give it up." "What?"
  7855.  
  7856. 1762
  7857. 01:27:47,053 --> 01:27:48,471
  7858. "You ain't heard of Babyface, dawg?"
  7859.  
  7860. 1763
  7861. 01:27:48,554 --> 01:27:50,348
  7862. He was terrible.
  7863. "Dawg. Look here, dawg."
  7864.  
  7865. 1764
  7866. 01:27:50,431 --> 01:27:53,935
  7867. I didn't put two and two together.
  7868. Babyface came from The Deele.
  7869.  
  7870. 1765
  7871. 01:27:54,018 --> 01:27:58,690
  7872. ♪ I want to be with you
  7873. Wherever, ever you are ♪
  7874.  
  7875. 1766
  7876. 01:27:58,773 --> 01:28:00,775
  7877. ♪ I only think of you ♪
  7878.  
  7879. 1767
  7880. 01:28:01,401 --> 01:28:03,528
  7881. ♪ On two occasions ♪
  7882.  
  7883. 1768
  7884. 01:28:04,696 --> 01:28:07,490
  7885. ♪ That's day and night ♪
  7886.  
  7887. 1769
  7888. 01:28:07,991 --> 01:28:10,660
  7889. ♪ I go for broke ♪
  7890.  
  7891. 1770
  7892. 01:28:10,743 --> 01:28:12,578
  7893. When I heard that shit--
  7894.  
  7895. 1771
  7896. 01:28:12,662 --> 01:28:14,414
  7897. ♪ I go for broke ♪
  7898.  
  7899. 1772
  7900. 01:28:14,497 --> 01:28:16,165
  7901. When I heard the motherfucker say...
  7902.  
  7903. 1773
  7904. 01:28:16,249 --> 01:28:18,501
  7905. ♪ I go for broke ♪
  7906.  
  7907. 1774
  7908. 01:28:18,584 --> 01:28:20,420
  7909. I was in the mirror every day.
  7910.  
  7911. 1775
  7912. 01:28:20,503 --> 01:28:21,879
  7913. ♪ Bro--♪ [clears throat]
  7914.  
  7915. 1776
  7916. 01:28:21,963 --> 01:28:23,089
  7917. This nigga's yodeling!
  7918.  
  7919. 1777
  7920. 01:28:23,172 --> 01:28:25,508
  7921. This motherfucker's making yodeling hot!
  7922.  
  7923. 1778
  7924. 01:28:25,591 --> 01:28:28,303
  7925. Clarence set up a series of meetings
  7926.  
  7927. 1779
  7928. 01:28:28,386 --> 01:28:30,805
  7929. with all of the top record executives:
  7930.  
  7931. 1780
  7932. 01:28:30,888 --> 01:28:32,890
  7933. Jerry Moss from A&M,
  7934.  
  7935. 1781
  7936. 01:28:33,516 --> 01:28:34,600
  7937. David Geffen,
  7938.  
  7939. 1782
  7940. 01:28:35,059 --> 01:28:37,854
  7941. Joe Smith was at Capitol Records,
  7942.  
  7943. 1783
  7944. 01:28:38,104 --> 01:28:40,440
  7945. and Clarence was the orchestrator.
  7946.  
  7947. 1784
  7948. 01:28:40,523 --> 01:28:45,194
  7949. He was, like, sort of the mediator,
  7950. the orchestrator, pulling it all together.
  7951.  
  7952. 1785
  7953. 01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:49,282
  7954. The next meeting was Clarence set us up
  7955. to go and see Clive Davis.
  7956.  
  7957. 1786
  7958. 01:28:49,866 --> 01:28:53,828
  7959. I said, "You know,
  7960. they're gonna complement, with an E,
  7961.  
  7962. 1787
  7963. 01:28:54,871 --> 01:28:58,249
  7964. the kind of operation that I had...
  7965.  
  7966. 1788
  7967. 01:28:59,208 --> 01:29:01,127
  7968. in the urban field."
  7969.  
  7970. 1789
  7971. 01:29:01,919 --> 01:29:03,880
  7972. Clarence, without question,
  7973.  
  7974. 1790
  7975. 01:29:03,963 --> 01:29:08,176
  7976. was an absolutely essential part
  7977. of how that deal came through.
  7978.  
  7979. 1791
  7980. 01:29:08,843 --> 01:29:11,512
  7981. The one thing that stands out was
  7982. that Clarence said,
  7983.  
  7984. 1792
  7985. 01:29:11,596 --> 01:29:13,431
  7986. "You must own your masters."
  7987.  
  7988. 1793
  7989. 01:29:14,098 --> 01:29:16,392
  7990. They were artists.
  7991. They were just singing.
  7992.  
  7993. 1794
  7994. 01:29:16,976 --> 01:29:20,396
  7995. You know, maybe if that's all
  7996. it was ever gonna do,
  7997.  
  7998. 1795
  7999. 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:21,689
  8000. they would've lasted...
  8001.  
  8002. 1796
  8003. 01:29:23,024 --> 01:29:23,941
  8004. ten years.
  8005.  
  8006. 1797
  8007. 01:29:24,317 --> 01:29:27,195
  8008. But Clarence said, "No, this how you put
  8009. the company together. 
  8010.  
  8011. 1798
  8012. 01:29:27,278 --> 01:29:28,905
  8013. This how you do business.
  8014.  
  8015. 1799
  8016. 01:29:28,988 --> 01:29:30,990
  8017. This how you take all
  8018. of this talent that you have,
  8019.  
  8020. 1800
  8021. 01:29:31,074 --> 01:29:33,368
  8022. open it up,
  8023. and grab other people that are talented,
  8024.  
  8025. 1801
  8026. 01:29:33,451 --> 01:29:35,119
  8027. and now put them out."
  8028.  
  8029. 1802
  8030. 01:29:35,536 --> 01:29:39,207
  8031. [George] If you look at the run of talent
  8032. that L.A. and Face signed to LaFace...
  8033.  
  8034. 1803
  8035. 01:29:39,290 --> 01:29:40,166
  8036. Take TLC,
  8037.  
  8038. 1804
  8039. 01:29:40,249 --> 01:29:42,543
  8040. which reinvented
  8041. the vocal group tradition.
  8042.  
  8043. 1805
  8044. 01:29:42,627 --> 01:29:45,421
  8045. ♪ Don't go chasing waterfalls ♪
  8046.  
  8047. 1806
  8048. 01:29:45,505 --> 01:29:46,547
  8049. [George] Take Toni Braxton.
  8050.  
  8051. 1807
  8052. 01:29:46,631 --> 01:29:50,426
  8053. ♪ Love shoulda brought you home ♪
  8054.  
  8055. 1808
  8056. 01:29:50,510 --> 01:29:51,719
  8057. [George] And you take Outkast,
  8058.  
  8059. 1809
  8060. 01:29:51,803 --> 01:29:53,596
  8061. which became one of
  8062. the most innovative groups
  8063.  
  8064. 1810
  8065. 01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:54,680
  8066. in the history of hip-hop.
  8067.  
  8068. 1811
  8069. 01:29:54,764 --> 01:29:57,016
  8070. ♪ So fresh, so clean
  8071. So fresh and so clean, clean ♪
  8072.  
  8073. 1812
  8074. 01:29:57,100 --> 01:29:59,560
  8075. [George]
  8076. You have a really powerful label.
  8077.  
  8078. 1813
  8079. 01:30:00,395 --> 01:30:02,021
  8080. I mean, one after another,
  8081.  
  8082. 1814
  8083. 01:30:02,105 --> 01:30:03,940
  8084. we became a powerhouse.
  8085.  
  8086. 1815
  8087. 01:30:04,899 --> 01:30:07,735
  8088. [man] He was an advocate for...
  8089.  
  8090. 1816
  8091. 01:30:07,819 --> 01:30:12,824
  8092. all of the creative people, you know,
  8093. the writers, the producers, arrangers.
  8094.  
  8095. 1817
  8096. 01:30:13,491 --> 01:30:17,870
  8097. [George] Motown really expanded the power
  8098. of black music as pop music.
  8099.  
  8100. 1818
  8101. 01:30:17,954 --> 01:30:22,083
  8102. ♪ My girl, ooh... ♪
  8103.  
  8104. 1819
  8105. 01:30:22,166 --> 01:30:25,420
  8106. [Gordy] When I sold Motown, I was thrilled
  8107.  
  8108. 1820
  8109. 01:30:25,503 --> 01:30:28,297
  8110. when Clarence became
  8111. the chairman of the board.
  8112.  
  8113. 1821
  8114. 01:30:29,382 --> 01:30:32,260
  8115. [Avant] Alain Levy, chairman of PolyGram,
  8116.  
  8117. 1822
  8118. 01:30:32,343 --> 01:30:34,053
  8119. said it's a three-year deal.
  8120.  
  8121. 1823
  8122. 01:30:34,637 --> 01:30:37,682
  8123. I think it was either 600--
  8124. $650,000 a year.
  8125.  
  8126. 1824
  8127. 01:30:38,433 --> 01:30:40,143
  8128. with a $250,000 bonus,
  8129.  
  8130. 1825
  8131. 01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:41,561
  8132. two-year option.
  8133.  
  8134. 1826
  8135. 01:30:42,103 --> 01:30:44,439
  8136. I got a piece of paper, said, "Damn!
  8137.  
  8138. 1827
  8139. 01:30:45,273 --> 01:30:48,276
  8140. Second mortgage is gone,
  8141. the first mortgage is gone.
  8142.  
  8143. 1828
  8144. 01:30:48,359 --> 01:30:50,361
  8145. I can pay Herbert and Jerry back.
  8146.  
  8147. 1829
  8148. 01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:52,321
  8149. Free at last."
  8150.  
  8151. 1830
  8152. 01:30:55,283 --> 01:30:56,617
  8153. ♪ Hey, hey, hey... ♪
  8154.  
  8155. 1831
  8156. 01:30:56,742 --> 01:30:59,370
  8157. [Harrell] Alain Levy made me
  8158. the new president of Motown.
  8159.  
  8160. 1832
  8161. 01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:01,205
  8162. It was to bring in new life.
  8163.  
  8164. 1833
  8165. 01:31:02,290 --> 01:31:04,500
  8166. I had Uptown Productions.
  8167.  
  8168. 1834
  8169. 01:31:04,959 --> 01:31:06,502
  8170. [George]
  8171. A lot of new groups out there,
  8172.  
  8173. 1835
  8174. 01:31:06,586 --> 01:31:09,297
  8175. making music that I think could turn
  8176. this company around.
  8177.  
  8178. 1836
  8179. 01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:12,175
  8180. Well! Who are these new groups?
  8181.  
  8182. 1837
  8183. 01:31:12,383 --> 01:31:14,260
  8184. [hip-hop music playing]
  8185.  
  8186. 1838
  8187. 01:31:14,343 --> 01:31:15,803
  8188. ♪ Yo! Check this out! ♪
  8189.  
  8190. 1839
  8191. 01:31:15,887 --> 01:31:19,140
  8192. ♪ I'm funky fresh Dr. Jeckyll
  8193. So cool up in the place ♪
  8194.  
  8195. 1840
  8196. 01:31:19,223 --> 01:31:20,266
  8197. ♪ Uptown, Uptown! ♪
  8198.  
  8199. 1841
  8200. 01:31:20,349 --> 01:31:21,934
  8201. [Avant] I said, "Wait a minute."
  8202.  
  8203. 1842
  8204. 01:31:22,226 --> 01:31:23,895
  8205. I said, "What the fuck is this?"
  8206.  
  8207. 1843
  8208. 01:31:24,812 --> 01:31:28,441
  8209. Levy gave Andre $250,000.
  8210.  
  8211. 1844
  8212. 01:31:28,733 --> 01:31:29,984
  8213. Nobody asked me.
  8214.  
  8215. 1845
  8216. 01:31:30,610 --> 01:31:34,739
  8217. I was trying to transfer some
  8218. of the energy of Uptown into Motown,
  8219.  
  8220. 1846
  8221. 01:31:34,947 --> 01:31:36,532
  8222. so that artists would want to come.
  8223.  
  8224. 1847
  8225. 01:31:36,616 --> 01:31:38,826
  8226. Andre and I...
  8227.  
  8228. 1848
  8229. 01:31:39,952 --> 01:31:41,746
  8230. disagreed on a lot of things.
  8231.  
  8232. 1849
  8233. 01:31:42,997 --> 01:31:43,831
  8234. [snorts]
  8235.  
  8236. 1850
  8237. 01:31:44,332 --> 01:31:45,791
  8238. End of the day, it's a culture clash.
  8239.  
  8240. 1851
  8241. 01:31:45,875 --> 01:31:48,419
  8242. I think we'd call it, in medical terms,
  8243. organ rejection.
  8244.  
  8245. 1852
  8246. 01:31:49,003 --> 01:31:53,049
  8247. They gave you a company that was broken.
  8248. It'd been losing money for 12 years.
  8249.  
  8250. 1853
  8251. 01:31:54,425 --> 01:31:57,678
  8252. They couldn't expect you to turn it around
  8253. in a year or two!
  8254.  
  8255. 1854
  8256. 01:31:58,596 --> 01:32:01,140
  8257. I had only been president for 18 months.
  8258.  
  8259. 1855
  8260. 01:32:01,724 --> 01:32:03,893
  8261. They chose to make me the scapegoat.
  8262.  
  8263. 1856
  8264. 01:32:04,352 --> 01:32:05,311
  8265. Clarence was...
  8266.  
  8267. 1857
  8268. 01:32:06,187 --> 01:32:07,271
  8269. He was my protector.
  8270.  
  8271. 1858
  8272. 01:32:07,355 --> 01:32:10,066
  8273. My dad was... "Okay,
  8274. even if he deserves to be fired,
  8275.  
  8276. 1859
  8277. 01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:12,151
  8278. I have to get him his settlement package.
  8279.  
  8280. 1860
  8281. 01:32:12,235 --> 01:32:13,528
  8282. Because, in fairness,
  8283.  
  8284. 1861
  8285. 01:32:13,903 --> 01:32:15,279
  8286. if he were white,
  8287.  
  8288. 1862
  8289. 01:32:15,363 --> 01:32:16,822
  8290. he would get a severance package.
  8291.  
  8292. 1863
  8293. 01:32:16,906 --> 01:32:18,783
  8294. This guy,
  8295. he needs to get a severance package."
  8296.  
  8297. 1864
  8298. 01:32:18,866 --> 01:32:21,410
  8299. Yeah. I had a few arguments with Levy,
  8300. so what?
  8301.  
  8302. 1865
  8303. 01:32:21,494 --> 01:32:22,995
  8304. He was one of my closest friends there.
  8305.  
  8306. 1866
  8307. 01:32:23,079 --> 01:32:25,665
  8308. I have arguments with everybody. Shit.
  8309.  
  8310. 1867
  8311. 01:32:25,873 --> 01:32:28,459
  8312. I got Clarence Avant backing me up.
  8313.  
  8314. 1868
  8315. 01:32:29,210 --> 01:32:33,881
  8316. So the meeting lasts about three minutes,
  8317. and they said, "All right. No problem.
  8318.  
  8319. 1869
  8320. 01:32:33,965 --> 01:32:35,216
  8321. We'll take care of that."
  8322.  
  8323. 1870
  8324. 01:32:37,301 --> 01:32:41,806
  8325. [man] He will sit at his desk with a pen
  8326. and a piece of paper
  8327.  
  8328. 1871
  8329. 01:32:42,723 --> 01:32:44,642
  8330. and he'll write it out,
  8331.  
  8332. 1872
  8333. 01:32:44,725 --> 01:32:46,435
  8334. "You know what? This will happen to this.
  8335.  
  8336. 1873
  8337. 01:32:46,519 --> 01:32:47,728
  8338. Okay, this was this and this."
  8339.  
  8340. 1874
  8341. 01:32:47,812 --> 01:32:51,482
  8342. And he formulates a map
  8343. of how to resolve it,
  8344.  
  8345. 1875
  8346. 01:32:51,566 --> 01:32:53,734
  8347. and then he puts it into action.
  8348.  
  8349. 1876
  8350. 01:32:55,778 --> 01:32:58,155
  8351. What he was doing, it had to do
  8352.  
  8353. 1877
  8354. 01:32:58,614 --> 01:33:01,784
  8355. with seeing
  8356. that everybody was treated right.
  8357.  
  8358. 1878
  8359. 01:33:01,867 --> 01:33:04,370
  8360. Seeing that things were fair,
  8361.  
  8362. 1879
  8363. 01:33:04,453 --> 01:33:05,830
  8364. that things were just.
  8365.  
  8366. 1880
  8367. 01:33:05,913 --> 01:33:09,208
  8368. He's been the only one like himself.
  8369.  
  8370. 1881
  8371. 01:33:09,292 --> 01:33:11,002
  8372. And, you know, a combination
  8373.  
  8374. 1882
  8375. 01:33:11,294 --> 01:33:15,006
  8376. of Reverend Sharpton, Martin Luther King,
  8377. Malcolm X of the record business.
  8378.  
  8379. 1883
  8380. 01:33:17,091 --> 01:33:18,593
  8381. Sometimes, Reggie, I say to myself,
  8382.  
  8383. 1884
  8384. 01:33:18,676 --> 01:33:21,345
  8385. "How in the fuck did I get involved
  8386. in all this shit?"
  8387.  
  8388. 1885
  8389. 01:33:22,805 --> 01:33:25,224
  8390. [Alex] He does so much and sacrifices,
  8391.  
  8392. 1886
  8393. 01:33:25,308 --> 01:33:27,184
  8394. it's amazing.
  8395.  
  8396. 1887
  8397. 01:33:27,643 --> 01:33:31,314
  8398. People have trusted him for,
  8399. you know, all their lives.
  8400.  
  8401. 1888
  8402. 01:33:31,397 --> 01:33:34,609
  8403. And, I think, for me, it's something
  8404. that was conditioned from him.
  8405.  
  8406. 1889
  8407. 01:33:34,692 --> 01:33:37,987
  8408. The current job that I have
  8409. as an executive at a talent agency...
  8410.  
  8411. 1890
  8412. 01:33:38,321 --> 01:33:40,573
  8413. uh, lends that as well.
  8414.  
  8415. 1891
  8416. 01:33:41,198 --> 01:33:44,660
  8417. [Lewis] Whenever we saw anyone in distress
  8418. after Clarence helped us,
  8419.  
  8420. 1892
  8421. 01:33:44,994 --> 01:33:47,997
  8422. we'd say, "'All right, Clarence.
  8423. You gotta help these guys.
  8424.  
  8425. 1893
  8426. 01:33:48,497 --> 01:33:49,999
  8427. You gotta help these people."
  8428.  
  8429. 1894
  8430. 01:33:50,374 --> 01:33:51,500
  8431. And Clarence would help.
  8432.  
  8433. 1895
  8434. 01:33:52,209 --> 01:33:55,796
  8435. And I'm not just talking about music,
  8436. I'm talking about civil rights.
  8437.  
  8438. 1896
  8439. 01:33:56,213 --> 01:33:59,425
  8440. I'm talking about anything that had to do
  8441. with the rights of people,
  8442.  
  8443. 1897
  8444. 01:33:59,508 --> 01:34:02,637
  8445. creativity, just being able
  8446. to do your own thing,
  8447.  
  8448. 1898
  8449. 01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,388
  8450. to voice your opinion.
  8451.  
  8452. 1899
  8453. 01:34:04,764 --> 01:34:07,433
  8454. Clarence gave you a place to do that...
  8455.  
  8456. 1900
  8457. 01:34:08,100 --> 01:34:10,102
  8458. and would protect you while you did it.
  8459.  
  8460. 1901
  8461. 01:34:10,561 --> 01:34:12,104
  8462. ♪ How you living, Biggie Smalls? ♪
  8463.  
  8464. 1902
  8465. 01:34:12,188 --> 01:34:14,440
  8466. ♪ In mansion and Benzes
  8467. Giving ends to my friends... ♪
  8468.  
  8469. 1903
  8470. 01:34:14,523 --> 01:34:16,150
  8471. He was only 24 years old,
  8472.  
  8473. 1904
  8474. 01:34:16,233 --> 01:34:19,528
  8475. was just starting what was expected
  8476. to be a promising career in music.
  8477.  
  8478. 1905
  8479. 01:34:19,612 --> 01:34:22,114
  8480. But tonight,
  8481. it's only what could have been.
  8482.  
  8483. 1906
  8484. 01:34:22,740 --> 01:34:26,202
  8485. The rap star had just left
  8486. the Soul Train Awards Party
  8487.  
  8488. 1907
  8489. 01:34:26,285 --> 01:34:27,370
  8490. and was sitting in his car
  8491.  
  8492. 1908
  8493. 01:34:27,453 --> 01:34:30,289
  8494. when a vehicle drove by,
  8495. and someone opened fire.
  8496.  
  8497. 1909
  8498. 01:34:30,373 --> 01:34:31,791
  8499. [man] When Biggie died,
  8500.  
  8501. 1910
  8502. 01:34:31,874 --> 01:34:34,043
  8503. I saw another side of Clarence.
  8504.  
  8505. 1911
  8506. 01:34:34,126 --> 01:34:37,129
  8507. And he was really, really affected
  8508. by Biggie's death.
  8509.  
  8510. 1912
  8511. 01:34:38,339 --> 01:34:40,925
  8512. [George] After Biggie's taken
  8513. to Cedars-Sinai Hospital.
  8514.  
  8515. 1913
  8516. 01:34:41,008 --> 01:34:43,010
  8517. It strikes everybody at the hospital,
  8518.  
  8519. 1914
  8520. 01:34:43,094 --> 01:34:46,138
  8521. after they get through the grief,
  8522. that they're all in danger.
  8523.  
  8524. 1915
  8525. 01:34:46,430 --> 01:34:48,724
  8526. And particularly, Mr. Sean Combs.
  8527.  
  8528. 1916
  8529. 01:34:49,225 --> 01:34:52,937
  8530. Since Biggie was on his label,
  8531. Puff was the likely next target.
  8532.  
  8533. 1917
  8534. 01:34:53,729 --> 01:34:55,439
  8535. [Combs] Usually, Clarence gets the call
  8536.  
  8537. 1918
  8538. 01:34:55,523 --> 01:34:56,899
  8539. from a position of fear
  8540.  
  8541. 1919
  8542. 01:34:57,692 --> 01:35:02,154
  8543. because...
  8544. I called him like most people call him.
  8545.  
  8546. 1920
  8547. 01:35:02,238 --> 01:35:04,407
  8548. He's the one to call
  8549. when we're in trouble.
  8550.  
  8551. 1921
  8552. 01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:07,827
  8553. [George] Because they worried
  8554. about people at airports
  8555.  
  8556. 1922
  8557. 01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:10,287
  8558. looking for him, they drove to San Diego.
  8559.  
  8560. 1923
  8561. 01:35:10,913 --> 01:35:13,290
  8562. From San Diego,
  8563. a flight was booked to go to Miami.
  8564.  
  8565. 1924
  8566. 01:35:13,916 --> 01:35:17,503
  8567. So again, this was sort of masterminded
  8568.  
  8569. 1925
  8570. 01:35:17,586 --> 01:35:19,880
  8571. by... Clarence Avant.
  8572.  
  8573. 1926
  8574. 01:35:20,464 --> 01:35:21,966
  8575. 'Cause we in the music industry,
  8576.  
  8577. 1927
  8578. 01:35:22,049 --> 01:35:23,968
  8579. everybody's getting caught up
  8580. into something.
  8581.  
  8582. 1928
  8583. 01:35:24,051 --> 01:35:27,346
  8584. You know, we were young, talented people,
  8585.  
  8586. 1929
  8587. 01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:30,766
  8588. never been hit with wealth or power.
  8589.  
  8590. 1930
  8591. 01:35:32,101 --> 01:35:35,187
  8592. You know, I'm sitting here
  8593. because he kept my ass outta jail,
  8594.  
  8595. 1931
  8596. 01:35:35,271 --> 01:35:36,647
  8597. like two, three times.
  8598.  
  8599. 1932
  8600. 01:35:36,731 --> 01:35:39,024
  8601. I'm cured now, though, everybody. 
  8602.  
  8603. 1933
  8604. 01:35:39,108 --> 01:35:42,027
  8605. I'm cured. Everything's good, you know.
  8606.  
  8607. 1934
  8608. 01:35:42,111 --> 01:35:45,072
  8609. Y'all can have me over for dinner.
  8610. Everything is good,
  8611.  
  8612. 1935
  8613. 01:35:45,531 --> 01:35:47,408
  8614. thanks to the godfather, Clarence.
  8615.  
  8616. 1936
  8617. 01:35:47,491 --> 01:35:49,368
  8618. I would hear,
  8619. and I dunno if I'm overstepping,
  8620.  
  8621. 1937
  8622. 01:35:49,452 --> 01:35:51,036
  8623. but I would hear about people
  8624.  
  8625. 1938
  8626. 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,456
  8627. that were in very serious situations
  8628.  
  8629. 1939
  8630. 01:35:53,539 --> 01:35:55,624
  8631. when it came to... life.
  8632.  
  8633. 1940
  8634. 01:35:56,292 --> 01:35:57,543
  8635. Just life in general.
  8636.  
  8637. 1941
  8638. 01:35:58,085 --> 01:36:01,589
  8639. And they would say, "The only person
  8640. that can help you with this...
  8641.  
  8642. 1942
  8643. 01:36:02,381 --> 01:36:03,632
  8644. is Clarence Avant."
  8645.  
  8646. 1943
  8647. 01:36:06,427 --> 01:36:07,553
  8648. [Snoop Dogg] When I was...
  8649.  
  8650. 1944
  8651. 01:36:08,387 --> 01:36:10,347
  8652. ...having difficulties
  8653. with Death Row Records
  8654.  
  8655. 1945
  8656. 01:36:10,431 --> 01:36:11,307
  8657. and Suge Knight,
  8658.  
  8659. 1946
  8660. 01:36:11,390 --> 01:36:13,934
  8661. there was a lot of call
  8662. for violence and action.
  8663.  
  8664. 1947
  8665. 01:36:15,561 --> 01:36:18,898
  8666. And the message that I received
  8667. from Clarence was just to be me
  8668.  
  8669. 1948
  8670. 01:36:18,981 --> 01:36:21,525
  8671. and to think about those kids
  8672. that's looking up to me,
  8673.  
  8674. 1949
  8675. 01:36:21,609 --> 01:36:23,736
  8676. and the youth that are inspired by me.
  8677.  
  8678. 1950
  8679. 01:36:23,819 --> 01:36:27,698
  8680. So one action that I create could be
  8681. a million actions that'll be followed. 
  8682.  
  8683. 1951
  8684. 01:36:29,074 --> 01:36:30,868
  8685. You know, I was young and...
  8686.  
  8687. 1952
  8688. 01:36:31,577 --> 01:36:34,622
  8689. considered a gangster, or a thug,
  8690. or whatever you wanna call it,
  8691.  
  8692. 1953
  8693. 01:36:34,705 --> 01:36:38,042
  8694. and I didn't really want to hear it,
  8695. but I had to reevaluate the conversation
  8696.  
  8697. 1954
  8698. 01:36:38,125 --> 01:36:41,462
  8699. and say,
  8700. "Well, this man is a legend. An icon.
  8701.  
  8702. 1955
  8703. 01:36:41,545 --> 01:36:43,839
  8704. If he's taking his time
  8705. to deliver this message to me,
  8706.  
  8707. 1956
  8708. 01:36:43,923 --> 01:36:45,257
  8709. he must see something in me."
  8710.  
  8711. 1957
  8712. 01:36:45,341 --> 01:36:48,469
  8713. So it just made me take on
  8714. a stance of peace,
  8715.  
  8716. 1958
  8717. 01:36:48,552 --> 01:36:50,846
  8718. and it'll always be about peace
  8719. and be about love,
  8720.  
  8721. 1959
  8722. 01:36:51,222 --> 01:36:53,307
  8723. and to confront violence with love.
  8724.  
  8725. 1960
  8726. 01:36:54,391 --> 01:36:57,186
  8727. Clarence is the type of person
  8728. that wants everyone to do better
  8729.  
  8730. 1961
  8731. 01:36:57,269 --> 01:36:58,896
  8732. because he understands
  8733.  
  8734. 1962
  8735. 01:36:59,021 --> 01:37:03,025
  8736. that there are strength in numbers,
  8737. and the bigger that we are together,
  8738.  
  8739. 1963
  8740. 01:37:03,317 --> 01:37:06,111
  8741. the bigger we will be as a entire culture.
  8742.  
  8743. 1964
  8744. 01:37:06,195 --> 01:37:07,822
  8745. Never asked us for nothin'.
  8746.  
  8747. 1965
  8748. 01:37:08,405 --> 01:37:09,365
  8749. Never.
  8750.  
  8751. 1966
  8752. 01:37:09,448 --> 01:37:11,534
  8753. As far as monetary and stuff like that,
  8754.  
  8755. 1967
  8756. 01:37:11,617 --> 01:37:13,786
  8757. I just think that he does it
  8758. out of the love,
  8759.  
  8760. 1968
  8761. 01:37:13,869 --> 01:37:16,956
  8762. which makes me do it out of the love
  8763. with a lot of these young guys.
  8764.  
  8765. 1969
  8766. 01:37:17,039 --> 01:37:19,542
  8767. I'll be honest with you,
  8768. I've talked to, you know,
  8769.  
  8770. 1970
  8771. 01:37:19,625 --> 01:37:21,377
  8772. Jimmy, Terry,
  8773.  
  8774. 1971
  8775. 01:37:21,460 --> 01:37:23,754
  8776. L.A., Babyface, a lot of the guys,
  8777. so it was like,
  8778.  
  8779. 1972
  8780. 01:37:23,963 --> 01:37:25,464
  8781. "So, whatever happened
  8782.  
  8783. 1973
  8784. 01:37:25,548 --> 01:37:28,008
  8785. when he did this for you
  8786. and did that for you?
  8787.  
  8788. 1974
  8789. 01:37:28,092 --> 01:37:30,511
  8790. Did-- Was there a cost to it?
  8791. Did you get a bill for it?" 
  8792.  
  8793. 1975
  8794. 01:37:30,594 --> 01:37:32,304
  8795. "Nope! Never got a bill for it!"
  8796.  
  8797. 1976
  8798. 01:37:33,055 --> 01:37:34,932
  8799. I don't know how he made a living.
  8800.  
  8801. 1977
  8802. 01:37:35,015 --> 01:37:36,934
  8803. He never seemed to charge anybody.
  8804.  
  8805. 1978
  8806. 01:37:37,059 --> 01:37:39,520
  8807. Well, everybody comes to me for this,
  8808. that, this,
  8809.  
  8810. 1979
  8811. 01:37:39,603 --> 01:37:41,105
  8812. that, you know. And so,
  8813.  
  8814. 1980
  8815. 01:37:41,188 --> 01:37:43,065
  8816. if I like the people, why not?
  8817.  
  8818. 1981
  8819. 01:37:43,691 --> 01:37:45,067
  8820. He had an attitude.
  8821.  
  8822. 1982
  8823. 01:37:46,527 --> 01:37:48,279
  8824. Did you know he had an attitude?
  8825.  
  8826. 1983
  8827. 01:37:48,362 --> 01:37:50,489
  8828. [chuckles]
  8829.  
  8830. 1984
  8831. 01:37:50,573 --> 01:37:52,324
  8832. He does not suffer fools lightly.
  8833.  
  8834. 1985
  8835. 01:37:52,741 --> 01:37:55,160
  8836. As much as he loves a good laugh
  8837.  
  8838. 1986
  8839. 01:37:55,619 --> 01:37:57,413
  8840. and a good story,
  8841.  
  8842. 1987
  8843. 01:37:57,580 --> 01:37:59,707
  8844. he does not suffer fools.
  8845.  
  8846. 1988
  8847. 01:37:59,790 --> 01:38:03,752
  8848. People get upset with my attitude,
  8849. but I don't give a fuck, you know.
  8850.  
  8851. 1989
  8852. 01:38:03,836 --> 01:38:06,589
  8853. He has this facade of being gruff,
  8854. and mean,
  8855.  
  8856. 1990
  8857. 01:38:06,672 --> 01:38:09,550
  8858. and "I don't give a damn!"
  8859. and "Get the fuck outta here!" 
  8860.  
  8861. 1991
  8862. 01:38:09,633 --> 01:38:10,718
  8863. And blah, blah, blah.
  8864.  
  8865. 1992
  8866. 01:38:10,801 --> 01:38:12,595
  8867. All of that is just a facade.
  8868.  
  8869. 1993
  8870. 01:38:12,678 --> 01:38:15,139
  8871. In the middle of all that MF-ing...
  8872.  
  8873. 1994
  8874. 01:38:15,598 --> 01:38:17,057
  8875. is an extraordinary,
  8876.  
  8877. 1995
  8878. 01:38:17,725 --> 01:38:19,101
  8879. elegant man.
  8880.  
  8881. 1996
  8882. 01:38:19,184 --> 01:38:21,937
  8883. [Adolph] Part of the magic of Clarence is
  8884.  
  8885. 1997
  8886. 01:38:22,021 --> 01:38:24,398
  8887. there's so much more there
  8888. than what you see.
  8889.  
  8890. 1998
  8891. 01:38:25,024 --> 01:38:28,027
  8892. He doesn't talk in terms of emotion. 
  8893.  
  8894. 1999
  8895. 01:38:28,110 --> 01:38:30,654
  8896. If you press him on...
  8897. "What is love, Clarence?"
  8898.  
  8899. 2000
  8900. 01:38:30,738 --> 01:38:32,489
  8901. "Do you love something
  8902. or someone loves you?"
  8903.  
  8904. 2001
  8905. 01:38:32,573 --> 01:38:34,158
  8906. He pushes back on that.
  8907.  
  8908. 2002
  8909. 01:38:34,241 --> 01:38:37,453
  8910. I think some people will see Clarence
  8911. and go, "Who's this gruff guy?
  8912.  
  8913. 2003
  8914. 01:38:37,536 --> 01:38:39,204
  8915. He's talkin' about money all the time."
  8916.  
  8917. 2004
  8918. 01:38:39,705 --> 01:38:42,708
  8919. That seems to be his overt way
  8920. he likes to present himself, 
  8921.  
  8922. 2005
  8923. 01:38:42,791 --> 01:38:45,502
  8924. 'cause he always talks about life
  8925. as numbers.
  8926.  
  8927. 2006
  8928. 01:38:45,586 --> 01:38:47,421
  8929. Well, life is about one thing: numbers.
  8930.  
  8931. 2007
  8932. 01:38:47,504 --> 01:38:48,923
  8933. Life is about numbers.
  8934.  
  8935. 2008
  8936. 01:38:49,006 --> 01:38:51,300
  8937. I told you, man.
  8938. Life is about numbers, didn't I?
  8939.  
  8940. 2009
  8941. 01:38:51,383 --> 01:38:52,843
  8942. -[interviewer] Yes, you did.
  8943. -Shit!
  8944.  
  8945. 2010
  8946. 01:38:52,927 --> 01:38:54,637
  8947. You come with one,
  8948. and you end with one.
  8949.  
  8950. 2011
  8951. 01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,514
  8952. -When is your birthday?
  8953. -[laughing]
  8954.  
  8955. 2012
  8956. 01:38:58,599 --> 01:39:02,186
  8957. [McKeever] I remember when he collected
  8958. the million dollars for Bill Clinton,
  8959.  
  8960. 2013
  8961. 01:39:02,269 --> 01:39:04,313
  8962. which was unprecedented
  8963.  
  8964. 2014
  8965. 01:39:04,813 --> 01:39:07,024
  8966. in what that was gonna mean
  8967.  
  8968. 2015
  8969. 01:39:07,107 --> 01:39:09,568
  8970. for the consolidation of a voice
  8971. inside that,
  8972.  
  8973. 2016
  8974. 01:39:09,652 --> 01:39:11,403
  8975. and this is how you really are heard. 
  8976.  
  8977. 2017
  8978. 01:39:11,487 --> 01:39:12,655
  8979. You know, this is how the--
  8980.  
  8981. 2018
  8982. 01:39:12,738 --> 01:39:16,784
  8983. He was also completely unfiltered
  8984. about this is how this game works.
  8985.  
  8986. 2019
  8987. 01:39:18,827 --> 01:39:21,830
  8988. [Avant] You either join a country club,
  8989. or you remain a goddamn caddy.
  8990.  
  8991. 2020
  8992. 01:39:21,914 --> 01:39:23,165
  8993. I'm not a fuckin' caddy.
  8994.  
  8995. 2021
  8996. 01:39:24,792 --> 01:39:25,626
  8997. Period.
  8998.  
  8999. 2022
  9000. 01:39:26,919 --> 01:39:29,463
  9001. So, Bill Clinton
  9002. and I became very close friends.
  9003.  
  9004. 2023
  9005. 01:39:30,839 --> 01:39:33,175
  9006. [President Clinton] He's real quiet
  9007. at first. He's reserved.
  9008.  
  9009. 2024
  9010. 01:39:33,258 --> 01:39:35,970
  9011. He doesn't exactly
  9012. throw himself at you. Um...
  9013.  
  9014. 2025
  9015. 01:39:36,095 --> 01:39:37,513
  9016. But I just liked him.
  9017.  
  9018. 2026
  9019. 01:39:38,514 --> 01:39:41,475
  9020. And I just kept being with him,
  9021. and I thought, "God, this guy's special."
  9022.  
  9023. 2027
  9024. 01:39:41,558 --> 01:39:44,311
  9025. [Medina]
  9026. He has put Bill Clinton's feet to the fire
  9027.  
  9028. 2028
  9029. 01:39:44,395 --> 01:39:46,105
  9030. in front of an audience...
  9031.  
  9032. 2029
  9033. 01:39:46,188 --> 01:39:49,066
  9034. to the point
  9035. that he will ask the questions
  9036.  
  9037. 2030
  9038. 01:39:49,149 --> 01:39:50,985
  9039. as to why and how
  9040.  
  9041. 2031
  9042. 01:39:51,068 --> 01:39:54,113
  9043. we can be really comfortable
  9044. that, once you get this job,
  9045.  
  9046. 2032
  9047. 01:39:54,196 --> 01:39:56,740
  9048. all the promises that you're making
  9049. to this community,
  9050.  
  9051. 2033
  9052. 01:39:56,824 --> 01:39:58,784
  9053. you're gonna really stand by them.
  9054. You know?
  9055.  
  9056. 2034
  9057. 01:39:58,867 --> 01:40:00,953
  9058. You know, like,
  9059. he would just straight up be like,
  9060.  
  9061. 2035
  9062. 01:40:01,036 --> 01:40:03,664
  9063. "Motherfucker, what're you gonna do
  9064. when you get the job?"
  9065.  
  9066. 2036
  9067. 01:40:03,747 --> 01:40:05,374
  9068. You know, I like that about him.
  9069.  
  9070. 2037
  9071. 01:40:05,457 --> 01:40:07,084
  9072. It's never gratuitous.
  9073.  
  9074. 2038
  9075. 01:40:07,167 --> 01:40:11,964
  9076. But if he has something to say
  9077. that's embellished, let's say, by a...
  9078.  
  9079. 2039
  9080. 01:40:12,047 --> 01:40:14,591
  9081. purple word,
  9082. he doesn't hesitate to use it.
  9083.  
  9084. 2040
  9085. 01:40:15,592 --> 01:40:19,430
  9086. [Avant] I was invited to the White House
  9087. three months after he became president.
  9088.  
  9089. 2041
  9090. 01:40:19,513 --> 01:40:21,140
  9091. The fuck do I care
  9092. about Lincoln's bedroom?
  9093.  
  9094. 2042
  9095. 01:40:21,223 --> 01:40:23,434
  9096. I didn't see Lincoln
  9097. when we went in there,
  9098.  
  9099. 2043
  9100. 01:40:23,517 --> 01:40:25,561
  9101. so it doesn't make any difference to me.
  9102. Fuck it, man.
  9103.  
  9104. 2044
  9105. 01:40:25,644 --> 01:40:28,731
  9106. So we stayed, big deal. That's all.
  9107. Nothing like that don't move me.
  9108.  
  9109. 2045
  9110. 01:40:28,814 --> 01:40:30,024
  9111. Clarence...
  9112.  
  9113. 2046
  9114. 01:40:31,775 --> 01:40:36,030
  9115. hangin' out with Bill Clinton...
  9116. is a long way from Climax.
  9117.  
  9118. 2047
  9119. 01:40:38,407 --> 01:40:39,992
  9120. My favorite story...
  9121.  
  9122. 2048
  9123. 01:40:44,663 --> 01:40:48,250
  9124. is... deeply personal.
  9125.  
  9126. 2049
  9127. 01:40:49,877 --> 01:40:55,507
  9128. When the Republicans were trying
  9129. to run me outta town,
  9130.  
  9131. 2050
  9132. 01:40:56,925 --> 01:40:59,762
  9133. Clarence Avant looked at me and he said,
  9134.  
  9135. 2051
  9136. 01:41:00,512 --> 01:41:01,972
  9137. "Don't even think about it...
  9138.  
  9139. 2052
  9140. 01:41:04,933 --> 01:41:07,436
  9141. Don't even think about it." He said...
  9142.  
  9143. 2053
  9144. 01:41:08,062 --> 01:41:09,897
  9145. He said, "This ain't gonna happen...
  9146.  
  9147. 2054
  9148. 01:41:10,355 --> 01:41:11,565
  9149. unless you give in."
  9150.  
  9151. 2055
  9152. 01:41:13,442 --> 01:41:16,820
  9153. He said, "Don't spend a lot of time
  9154. on this in public. Do your job.
  9155.  
  9156. 2056
  9157. 01:41:17,488 --> 01:41:18,906
  9158. Let people see you working.
  9159.  
  9160. 2057
  9161. 01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:21,241
  9162. It ain't gonna happen."
  9163. [chuckles]
  9164.  
  9165. 2058
  9166. 01:41:21,325 --> 01:41:23,160
  9167. You know, it was so Clarence.
  9168.  
  9169. 2059
  9170. 01:41:23,827 --> 01:41:25,037
  9171. You know, it was like...
  9172.  
  9173. 2060
  9174. 01:41:25,329 --> 01:41:28,499
  9175. now that's maybe selfish of me to say,
  9176. but that's my favorite story 
  9177.  
  9178. 2061
  9179. 01:41:28,582 --> 01:41:32,044
  9180. 'cause, you know,
  9181. when it's raining outside,
  9182.  
  9183. 2062
  9184. 01:41:32,419 --> 01:41:35,589
  9185. if a guy comes up with a little umbrella,
  9186. you feel pretty good.
  9187.  
  9188. 2063
  9189. 01:41:36,340 --> 01:41:37,966
  9190. And Clarence, for me,
  9191.  
  9192. 2064
  9193. 01:41:40,177 --> 01:41:42,888
  9194. has always had that umbrella.
  9195.  
  9196. 2065
  9197. 01:41:42,971 --> 01:41:45,349
  9198. Not just for me,
  9199. but for anybody he thought...
  9200.  
  9201. 2066
  9202. 01:41:46,225 --> 01:41:47,559
  9203. needed a handout.
  9204.  
  9205. 2067
  9206. 01:41:47,643 --> 01:41:48,852
  9207. Anybody he thought...
  9208.  
  9209. 2068
  9210. 01:41:49,770 --> 01:41:51,730
  9211. needed somebody to be a wall.
  9212.  
  9213. 2069
  9214. 01:41:52,106 --> 01:41:55,192
  9215. The guy's a rock. In every way.
  9216.  
  9217. 2070
  9218. 01:41:58,153 --> 01:42:00,155
  9219. [Senator Harris]
  9220. So, Clarence is viewed in the party
  9221.  
  9222. 2071
  9223. 01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:02,282
  9224. as being a go-to person
  9225.  
  9226. 2072
  9227. 01:42:02,366 --> 01:42:03,617
  9228. if not, you know,
  9229.  
  9230. 2073
  9231. 01:42:03,700 --> 01:42:07,329
  9232. part of that group of folks
  9233. that are called the king and queenmakers.
  9234.  
  9235. 2074
  9236. 01:42:07,412 --> 01:42:08,580
  9237. He's the kingmaker.
  9238.  
  9239. 2075
  9240. 01:42:08,872 --> 01:42:11,959
  9241. He not only is satisfied with that,
  9242. he realizes that that's where
  9243.  
  9244. 2076
  9245. 01:42:12,042 --> 01:42:15,754
  9246. he can be most effective,
  9247. and frankly, where he's most comfortable.
  9248.  
  9249. 2077
  9250. 01:42:15,838 --> 01:42:17,131
  9251. [hip-hop music playing]
  9252.  
  9253. 2078
  9254. 01:42:20,634 --> 01:42:23,011
  9255. [George]
  9256. He would have parties at his home
  9257.  
  9258. 2079
  9259. 01:42:23,095 --> 01:42:25,848
  9260. that had great musicians
  9261. and great friends there.
  9262.  
  9263. 2080
  9264. 01:42:25,931 --> 01:42:28,142
  9265. And Clarence would be
  9266. at the grill barbecuing.
  9267.  
  9268. 2081
  9269. 01:42:28,225 --> 01:42:30,435
  9270. Jackie would be
  9271. in the kitchen hustling around.
  9272.  
  9273. 2082
  9274. 01:42:30,519 --> 01:42:32,354
  9275. All the kids would be playing together.
  9276.  
  9277. 2083
  9278. 01:42:34,481 --> 01:42:37,609
  9279. You could not be an African-American
  9280. candidate in this country
  9281.  
  9282. 2084
  9283. 01:42:37,693 --> 01:42:39,862
  9284. running for a serious office in anything
  9285.  
  9286. 2085
  9287. 01:42:39,945 --> 01:42:42,531
  9288. and not have consulted with Clarence Avant
  9289.  
  9290. 2086
  9291. 01:42:42,614 --> 01:42:44,533
  9292. on the way that things should be done.
  9293.  
  9294. 2087
  9295. 01:42:44,616 --> 01:42:45,909
  9296. The first fund-raiser I went to,
  9297.  
  9298. 2088
  9299. 01:42:45,993 --> 01:42:49,037
  9300. one of the first things he invited me
  9301. to was-- from--
  9302.  
  9303. 2089
  9304. 01:42:49,121 --> 01:42:50,873
  9305. He wasn't even a senator yet--
  9306.  
  9307. 2090
  9308. 01:42:50,956 --> 01:42:52,249
  9309. was for Barack Obama.
  9310.  
  9311. 2091
  9312. 01:42:53,041 --> 01:42:56,170
  9313. He called me
  9314. about a young man in Chicago...
  9315.  
  9316. 2092
  9317. 01:42:56,253 --> 01:42:58,255
  9318. [laughing]
  9319.  
  9320. 2093
  9321. 01:42:59,423 --> 01:43:00,799
  9322. ...named Barack Obama.
  9323.  
  9324. 2094
  9325. 01:43:01,925 --> 01:43:05,387
  9326. When it came time
  9327. for the convention in Boston--
  9328.  
  9329. 2095
  9330. 01:43:05,470 --> 01:43:09,391
  9331. uh, and I remember Barack called Clarence.
  9332.  
  9333. 2096
  9334. 01:43:10,058 --> 01:43:12,519
  9335. [Avant]
  9336. He said, "Clarence, they want me to speak,
  9337.  
  9338. 2097
  9339. 01:43:12,603 --> 01:43:14,188
  9340. but I'm not even prime time."
  9341.  
  9342. 2098
  9343. 01:43:15,272 --> 01:43:17,524
  9344. Who do you think made
  9345. that fuckin' telephone call?
  9346.  
  9347. 2099
  9348. 01:43:17,608 --> 01:43:20,736
  9349. To somebody in John Kerry's camp.
  9350. I don't know who the fuck it was...
  9351.  
  9352. 2100
  9353. 01:43:20,819 --> 01:43:22,237
  9354. He made that famous speech.
  9355.  
  9356. 2101
  9357. 01:43:22,529 --> 01:43:23,989
  9358. [man] Barack Obama!
  9359.  
  9360. 2102
  9361. 01:43:24,740 --> 01:43:26,617
  9362. [crowd cheering]
  9363.  
  9364. 2103
  9365. 01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:28,952
  9366. [Mathis]
  9367. They moved Barack to prime time,
  9368.  
  9369. 2104
  9370. 01:43:29,036 --> 01:43:31,038
  9371. and then the whole country sees,
  9372.  
  9373. 2105
  9374. 01:43:31,496 --> 01:43:35,125
  9375. "No red state, no blue state.
  9376. These United States." It changed history.
  9377.  
  9378. 2106
  9379. 01:43:35,209 --> 01:43:38,587
  9380. There is not a liberal America
  9381. and a conservative America.
  9382.  
  9383. 2107
  9384. 01:43:38,670 --> 01:43:41,256
  9385. There is the United States of America.
  9386.  
  9387. 2108
  9388. 01:43:42,758 --> 01:43:46,428
  9389. There is not a black America,
  9390. and a white America,
  9391.  
  9392. 2109
  9393. 01:43:46,511 --> 01:43:49,473
  9394. and Latino America, and Asian America. 
  9395.  
  9396. 2110
  9397. 01:43:49,556 --> 01:43:51,975
  9398. There's the United States of America.
  9399.  
  9400. 2111
  9401. 01:43:52,059 --> 01:43:54,061
  9402. [soft piano playing]
  9403.  
  9404. 2112
  9405. 01:43:58,190 --> 01:44:00,943
  9406. [Avant] Did I ever think
  9407. I'd see a black president? Hell no.
  9408.  
  9409. 2113
  9410. 01:44:01,902 --> 01:44:03,320
  9411. It wasn't in the card game.
  9412.  
  9413. 2114
  9414. 01:44:04,321 --> 01:44:06,281
  9415. When he said he was gonna run,
  9416.  
  9417. 2115
  9418. 01:44:07,824 --> 01:44:09,284
  9419. I thought he was nuts.
  9420.  
  9421. 2116
  9422. 01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:11,370
  9423. I had a conversation with him
  9424.  
  9425. 2117
  9426. 01:44:11,453 --> 01:44:14,790
  9427. and explained why I thought
  9428. the moment was right,
  9429.  
  9430. 2118
  9431. 01:44:14,873 --> 01:44:18,460
  9432. and I'm not sure that Clarence
  9433. actually thought I could win,
  9434.  
  9435. 2119
  9436. 01:44:18,543 --> 01:44:20,879
  9437. but he was nice and encouraging anyway.
  9438.  
  9439. 2120
  9440. 01:44:22,506 --> 01:44:25,550
  9441. There is that generational issue,
  9442. and Clarence,
  9443.  
  9444. 2121
  9445. 01:44:25,634 --> 01:44:28,345
  9446. like Vernon Jordan and others,
  9447.  
  9448. 2122
  9449. 01:44:28,929 --> 01:44:31,473
  9450. they are really the bridge...
  9451.  
  9452. 2123
  9453. 01:44:32,891 --> 01:44:36,561
  9454. from a time where there was
  9455. almost no opportunity
  9456.  
  9457. 2124
  9458. 01:44:36,645 --> 01:44:39,648
  9459. to a time where doors began to open.
  9460.  
  9461. 2125
  9462. 01:44:40,691 --> 01:44:42,776
  9463. And they led the way 
  9464.  
  9465. 2126
  9466. 01:44:43,110 --> 01:44:46,238
  9467. in politics, in business,
  9468.  
  9469. 2127
  9470. 01:44:46,321 --> 01:44:49,157
  9471. in the arts, in saying,
  9472.  
  9473. 2128
  9474. 01:44:49,241 --> 01:44:50,993
  9475. "You know, make room for us."
  9476.  
  9477. 2129
  9478. 01:44:52,244 --> 01:44:54,579
  9479. For most of their lives, oftentimes,
  9480.  
  9481. 2130
  9482. 01:44:55,747 --> 01:45:00,002
  9483. that door was just open a crack,
  9484. and success was tenuous.
  9485.  
  9486. 2131
  9487. 01:45:00,335 --> 01:45:03,588
  9488. And I would never challenge them...
  9489.  
  9490. 2132
  9491. 01:45:04,548 --> 01:45:08,552
  9492. sticking with some of the folks
  9493. who'd brung 'em to the dance.
  9494.  
  9495. 2133
  9496. 01:45:09,928 --> 01:45:12,055
  9497. [Nicole] When they were both running
  9498. against each other,
  9499.  
  9500. 2134
  9501. 01:45:12,139 --> 01:45:15,475
  9502. I remember going to my father,
  9503. and I said, "Listen, I like them both,
  9504.  
  9505. 2135
  9506. 01:45:15,559 --> 01:45:17,728
  9507. and I'm not against Hillary or anything,
  9508.  
  9509. 2136
  9510. 01:45:17,811 --> 01:45:19,604
  9511. but I feel like this...
  9512.  
  9513. 2137
  9514. 01:45:20,230 --> 01:45:23,400
  9515. Something's happening with Obama,
  9516. and I really want to be involved,
  9517.  
  9518. 2138
  9519. 01:45:23,483 --> 01:45:25,027
  9520. they're asking me to do things, and...
  9521.  
  9522. 2139
  9523. 01:45:25,110 --> 01:45:27,029
  9524. But if it's gonna be weird
  9525. with the Clintons...
  9526.  
  9527. 2140
  9528. 01:45:27,112 --> 01:45:28,822
  9529. He was so great.
  9530. He looked at me and he said,
  9531.  
  9532. 2141
  9533. 01:45:29,406 --> 01:45:30,490
  9534. "You're a grown woman.
  9535.  
  9536. 2142
  9537. 01:45:31,116 --> 01:45:32,784
  9538. You can make your own decision."
  9539.  
  9540. 2143
  9541. 01:45:33,201 --> 01:45:35,620
  9542. And I said,
  9543. "I'm really not against anybody."
  9544.  
  9545. 2144
  9546. 01:45:35,704 --> 01:45:36,747
  9547. He said, "No, go."
  9548.  
  9549. 2145
  9550. 01:45:36,830 --> 01:45:39,416
  9551. And then of course, he said,
  9552. "And he's not gonna win."
  9553.  
  9554. 2146
  9555. 01:45:39,916 --> 01:45:41,293
  9556. And I said,
  9557.  
  9558. 2147
  9559. 01:45:41,376 --> 01:45:42,627
  9560. "Dad, he's gonna win."
  9561.  
  9562. 2148
  9563. 01:45:42,711 --> 01:45:45,881
  9564. He said he had--
  9565. No chance in hell, is Obama gonna win.
  9566.  
  9567. 2149
  9568. 01:45:47,132 --> 01:45:48,592
  9569. -Didn't you?
  9570. -Yep!
  9571.  
  9572. 2150
  9573. 01:45:49,634 --> 01:45:54,348
  9574. [President Obama] Nicole, in coming
  9575. on-board very early on my campaign,
  9576.  
  9577. 2151
  9578. 01:45:54,973 --> 01:45:56,058
  9579. in her own way,
  9580.  
  9581. 2152
  9582. 01:45:56,141 --> 01:45:58,268
  9583. she was expressing values
  9584. that had been taught to her
  9585.  
  9586. 2153
  9587. 01:45:58,352 --> 01:46:01,605
  9588. by Clarence and Jackie.
  9589. And part of that is independent thinking
  9590.  
  9591. 2154
  9592. 01:46:01,688 --> 01:46:03,940
  9593. and... making up your own mind, and...
  9594.  
  9595. 2155
  9596. 01:46:04,358 --> 01:46:07,110
  9597. uh, I-- I'd like to think that...
  9598.  
  9599. 2156
  9600. 01:46:07,736 --> 01:46:10,489
  9601. Clarence didn't necessarily mind
  9602. being proven wrong.
  9603.  
  9604. 2157
  9605. 01:46:11,573 --> 01:46:13,033
  9606. Don't think he didn't rub it in.
  9607.  
  9608. 2158
  9609. 01:46:13,116 --> 01:46:14,659
  9610. [crowd chanting] Obama! Obama!
  9611.  
  9612. 2159
  9613. 01:46:14,743 --> 01:46:16,787
  9614. -[President Obama] Thank you.
  9615. -Obama! Obama!
  9616.  
  9617. 2160
  9618. 01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:17,913
  9619. Thank you!
  9620.  
  9621. 2161
  9622. 01:46:17,996 --> 01:46:19,289
  9623. God bless you,
  9624.  
  9625. 2162
  9626. 01:46:19,373 --> 01:46:21,541
  9627. and God bless
  9628. the United States of America.
  9629.  
  9630. 2163
  9631. 01:46:24,002 --> 01:46:25,462
  9632. [Nicole] After the inauguration,
  9633.  
  9634. 2164
  9635. 01:46:25,545 --> 01:46:28,173
  9636. I became an ambassador to the Bahamas.
  9637.  
  9638. 2165
  9639. 01:46:28,715 --> 01:46:32,219
  9640. You know, and then the best part
  9641. for me about the whole ambassadorship
  9642.  
  9643. 2166
  9644. 01:46:32,302 --> 01:46:35,055
  9645. was having my father's longtime friend,
  9646.  
  9647. 2167
  9648. 01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:39,518
  9649. as a Secretary of State, swearing me in.
  9650. She didn't do a lot of ambassadors.
  9651.  
  9652. 2168
  9653. 01:46:41,186 --> 01:46:44,981
  9654. He came to Washington, and I saw this--
  9655. I had never seen it before--
  9656.  
  9657. 2169
  9658. 01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:48,318
  9659. of beaming with such pride.
  9660.  
  9661. 2170
  9662. 01:46:49,277 --> 01:46:53,740
  9663. For him, it was like all this shit
  9664. finally came together to make sense.
  9665.  
  9666. 2171
  9667. 01:46:54,199 --> 01:46:57,202
  9668. I'm sure that he was enormously proud,
  9669. and rightfully so,
  9670.  
  9671. 2172
  9672. 01:46:57,285 --> 01:46:59,246
  9673. because Nicole served our country well.
  9674.  
  9675. 2173
  9676. 01:47:00,122 --> 01:47:03,333
  9677. I did most everything
  9678. I wanted to do in life,
  9679.  
  9680. 2174
  9681. 01:47:03,583 --> 01:47:07,170
  9682. except being Warren Buffett
  9683. or Bill Gates.
  9684.  
  9685. 2175
  9686. 01:47:07,754 --> 01:47:09,381
  9687. [interviewer] Alex, what about you?
  9688.  
  9689. 2176
  9690. 01:47:09,464 --> 01:47:11,633
  9691. You ever feel pressured
  9692. to live up to your father's name?
  9693.  
  9694. 2177
  9695. 01:47:11,716 --> 01:47:14,094
  9696. -Oh, shit.
  9697. -What's that supposed to mean?
  9698.  
  9699. 2178
  9700. 01:47:14,177 --> 01:47:16,138
  9701. -[interviewer] Well..
  9702. -Let Alex answer the question.
  9703.  
  9704. 2179
  9705. 01:47:16,221 --> 01:47:18,515
  9706. -It's a big deal. See?
  9707. -Every day. Every day.
  9708.  
  9709. 2180
  9710. 01:47:18,598 --> 01:47:20,392
  9711. -Oh, I see.
  9712. -[Nicole] See?
  9713.  
  9714. 2181
  9715. 01:47:20,475 --> 01:47:21,309
  9716. Every day.
  9717.  
  9718. 2182
  9719. 01:47:22,227 --> 01:47:23,145
  9720. For sure.
  9721.  
  9722. 2183
  9723. 01:47:24,688 --> 01:47:27,357
  9724. [Nicole] It was harder on Alex
  9725. because of his gender, I think.
  9726.  
  9727. 2184
  9728. 01:47:27,441 --> 01:47:28,567
  9729. For me,
  9730.  
  9731. 2185
  9732. 01:47:28,650 --> 01:47:30,944
  9733. I had a different tape in my head,
  9734. which was,
  9735.  
  9736. 2186
  9737. 01:47:31,027 --> 01:47:32,154
  9738. "I'm saying yes to everything
  9739.  
  9740. 2187
  9741. 01:47:32,237 --> 01:47:34,364
  9742. because I'm Clarence Avant's daughter,
  9743. so I'm doing it. 
  9744.  
  9745. 2188
  9746. 01:47:34,448 --> 01:47:36,450
  9747. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this."
  9748.  
  9749. 2189
  9750. 01:47:36,533 --> 01:47:38,994
  9751. But it was always
  9752. because I was his daughter.
  9753.  
  9754. 2190
  9755. 01:47:39,703 --> 01:47:43,665
  9756. [Alex] It was, like, amazing to be raised
  9757. from my mom and my dad.
  9758.  
  9759. 2191
  9760. 01:47:43,748 --> 01:47:46,084
  9761. But, you know, everyone was like,
  9762.  
  9763. 2192
  9764. 01:47:46,168 --> 01:47:47,919
  9765. "I need to holla at your dad!"
  9766.  
  9767. 2193
  9768. 01:47:48,003 --> 01:47:49,796
  9769. So it's kind of...
  9770. sometimes it's kinda crazy
  9771.  
  9772. 2194
  9773. 01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,215
  9774. 'cause they take a lot of time. A lot.
  9775.  
  9776. 2195
  9777. 01:47:52,799 --> 01:47:56,428
  9778. They're taking the father-son time away
  9779. or, you know, son-father time away,
  9780.  
  9781. 2196
  9782. 01:47:56,511 --> 01:47:57,721
  9783. sometimes, it feels.
  9784.  
  9785. 2197
  9786. 01:48:01,892 --> 01:48:04,603
  9787. My father-- I'll never forget it
  9788. 'cause this, like, makes me cry.
  9789.  
  9790. 2198
  9791. 01:48:04,686 --> 01:48:06,146
  9792. Uh. Whoo.
  9793.  
  9794. 2199
  9795. 01:48:08,607 --> 01:48:10,734
  9796. [exhales] Um...
  9797.  
  9798. 2200
  9799. 01:48:12,319 --> 01:48:14,488
  9800. It's like, you know, he's like,
  9801.  
  9802. 2201
  9803. 01:48:14,696 --> 01:48:16,823
  9804. "You know,
  9805. I don't know how long I'm gonna be here."
  9806.  
  9807. 2202
  9808. 01:48:20,952 --> 01:48:23,205
  9809. It's weird because sometimes people say,
  9810.  
  9811. 2203
  9812. 01:48:24,706 --> 01:48:27,626
  9813. "Shit, when he goes,
  9814. who're we gonna call?"
  9815.  
  9816. 2204
  9817. 01:48:30,504 --> 01:48:32,714
  9818. And for me, it's like,
  9819. "Who am I gonna call?"
  9820.  
  9821. 2205
  9822. 01:48:35,717 --> 01:48:36,676
  9823. It's tough.
  9824.  
  9825. 2206
  9826. 01:48:38,512 --> 01:48:39,554
  9827. It's tough.
  9828.  
  9829. 2207
  9830. 01:48:46,228 --> 01:48:49,731
  9831. I told him the other day,
  9832. I said, "If you left this planet tomorrow,
  9833.  
  9834. 2208
  9835. 01:48:50,190 --> 01:48:51,942
  9836. you fulfilled your purpose.
  9837.  
  9838. 2209
  9839. 01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:56,530
  9840. It was very clear what your purpose was.
  9841. That's-- It's obvious."
  9842.  
  9843. 2210
  9844. 01:48:57,113 --> 01:48:58,573
  9845. And he never wavered from it.
  9846.  
  9847. 2211
  9848. 01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:01,618
  9849. Never. No matter what business he was in.
  9850.  
  9851. 2212
  9852. 01:49:01,701 --> 01:49:03,620
  9853. Didn't matter if he was promoting a tour,
  9854.  
  9855. 2213
  9856. 01:49:03,703 --> 01:49:06,164
  9857. running a record company,
  9858. running a radio station.
  9859.  
  9860. 2214
  9861. 01:49:06,248 --> 01:49:08,416
  9862. He knew his purpose, head-on,
  9863.  
  9864. 2215
  9865. 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,503
  9866. was black people
  9867. are going to move forward.
  9868.  
  9869. 2216
  9870. 01:49:12,921 --> 01:49:16,424
  9871. [Lewis] He'll take something
  9872. that was impossible and make it possible,
  9873.  
  9874. 2217
  9875. 01:49:16,508 --> 01:49:18,343
  9876. because he'll bring the parties together
  9877.  
  9878. 2218
  9879. 01:49:18,426 --> 01:49:21,972
  9880. and make them understand the concept,
  9881. the overall vision of it.
  9882.  
  9883. 2219
  9884. 01:49:22,556 --> 01:49:25,809
  9885. Then he makes you realize
  9886. your responsibility
  9887.  
  9888. 2220
  9889. 01:49:25,892 --> 01:49:27,352
  9890. to whatever it is,
  9891.  
  9892. 2221
  9893. 01:49:27,435 --> 01:49:30,772
  9894. and then your responsibility
  9895. to give to the next one.
  9896.  
  9897. 2222
  9898. 01:49:30,855 --> 01:49:31,940
  9899. Each one, teach one.
  9900.  
  9901. 2223
  9902. 01:49:32,399 --> 01:49:33,525
  9903. Everybody's giving.
  9904.  
  9905. 2224
  9906. 01:49:34,109 --> 01:49:35,860
  9907. And then the spirit gets bigger
  9908. and bigger,
  9909.  
  9910. 2225
  9911. 01:49:35,944 --> 01:49:38,321
  9912. and the circle gets bigger and bigger.
  9913.  
  9914. 2226
  9915. 01:49:38,405 --> 01:49:41,074
  9916. And you keep touching, and moving,
  9917. and shaking.
  9918.  
  9919. 2227
  9920. 01:49:41,157 --> 01:49:43,952
  9921. And Clarence exposed us to that world.
  9922.  
  9923. 2228
  9924. 01:49:44,828 --> 01:49:47,080
  9925. [Medina]
  9926. Look at, like, that artistic journey
  9927.  
  9928. 2229
  9929. 01:49:47,163 --> 01:49:48,623
  9930. and put anything in between it.
  9931.  
  9932. 2230
  9933. 01:49:48,707 --> 01:49:51,501
  9934. Little Willie John is all the way
  9935. over here,
  9936.  
  9937. 2231
  9938. 01:49:51,668 --> 01:49:54,212
  9939. and Michael Jackson's right there
  9940. in the middle,
  9941.  
  9942. 2232
  9943. 01:49:54,296 --> 01:49:58,258
  9944. and then there's Bobby Brown,
  9945. and then there's Alexander O'Neal,
  9946.  
  9947. 2233
  9948. 01:49:58,341 --> 01:50:01,386
  9949. and then go another layer,
  9950. and then you go from Quincy Jones
  9951.  
  9952. 2234
  9953. 01:50:01,469 --> 01:50:05,682
  9954. to L.A. and Babyface, and Jimmy Jam
  9955. and Terry Lewis, and Teddy Riley,
  9956.  
  9957. 2235
  9958. 01:50:05,765 --> 01:50:07,726
  9959. and the list goes on and on and on.
  9960.  
  9961. 2236
  9962. 01:50:07,809 --> 01:50:09,853
  9963. It's not even like he's a bridge.
  9964.  
  9965. 2237
  9966. 01:50:10,312 --> 01:50:11,396
  9967. He's the way!
  9968.  
  9969. 2238
  9970. 01:50:12,230 --> 01:50:14,441
  9971. You know, we call him the godfather
  9972. as our parent.
  9973.  
  9974. 2239
  9975. 01:50:14,524 --> 01:50:16,276
  9976. You know, we're all children of Clarence.
  9977.  
  9978. 2240
  9979. 01:50:16,359 --> 01:50:18,278
  9980. We're all children of Clarence.
  9981. And it's weird
  9982.  
  9983. 2241
  9984. 01:50:18,361 --> 01:50:21,114
  9985. because sometimes you don't even know
  9986. the other children of Clarence
  9987.  
  9988. 2242
  9989. 01:50:21,197 --> 01:50:23,366
  9990. until you see them do something
  9991. or say something.
  9992.  
  9993. 2243
  9994. 01:50:23,450 --> 01:50:24,909
  9995. You're like, "Wait a minute.
  9996.  
  9997. 2244
  9998. 01:50:24,993 --> 01:50:28,955
  9999. You don't just say that.
  10000. That came from this bloodline."
  10001.  
  10002. 2245
  10003. 01:50:30,624 --> 01:50:32,042
  10004. What the fuck is this?
  10005.  
  10006. 2246
  10007. 01:50:34,127 --> 01:50:35,629
  10008. Now I'm getting nervous.
  10009.  
  10010. 2247
  10011. 01:50:37,297 --> 01:50:40,634
  10012. [interviewer] Do you think it's possible
  10013. for there to be another Clarence Avant?
  10014.  
  10015. 2248
  10016. 01:50:41,301 --> 01:50:42,218
  10017. No.
  10018.  
  10019. 2249
  10020. 01:50:42,302 --> 01:50:44,846
  10021. There could never be another Clarence.
  10022.  
  10023. 2250
  10024. 01:50:44,929 --> 01:50:46,765
  10025. I don't feel comfortable
  10026. answering that question
  10027.  
  10028. 2251
  10029. 01:50:46,848 --> 01:50:48,266
  10030. 'cause it sounds a little crazy.
  10031.  
  10032. 2252
  10033. 01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:49,726
  10034. I don't-- I don't wanna--
  10035.  
  10036. 2253
  10037. 01:50:49,809 --> 01:50:52,062
  10038. That's not something
  10039. I'm not even trying to think about.
  10040.  
  10041. 2254
  10042. 01:50:52,145 --> 01:50:54,564
  10043. You only find one of those people.
  10044.  
  10045. 2255
  10046. 01:50:54,648 --> 01:50:57,233
  10047. You don't find more than one.
  10048.  
  10049. 2256
  10050. 01:50:57,317 --> 01:50:59,194
  10051. There will never be
  10052. another Clarence Avant.
  10053.  
  10054. 2257
  10055. 01:50:59,277 --> 01:51:02,405
  10056. However, his goal is to plant seeds,
  10057.  
  10058. 2258
  10059. 01:51:02,489 --> 01:51:04,616
  10060. so that there can be individuals
  10061. just like him.
  10062.  
  10063. 2259
  10064. 01:51:04,699 --> 01:51:07,744
  10065. We all trying to live by his--
  10066. the example that he set, a'ight?
  10067.  
  10068. 2260
  10069. 01:51:07,827 --> 01:51:10,205
  10070. Which is, you know,
  10071. share what you've learned
  10072.  
  10073. 2261
  10074. 01:51:10,288 --> 01:51:11,623
  10075. with the next generation.
  10076.  
  10077. 2262
  10078. 01:51:11,706 --> 01:51:14,417
  10079. He actually says--
  10080. he has said it to me many times.
  10081.  
  10082. 2263
  10083. 01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:17,879
  10084. He's like, "Baby, you gotta get
  10085. your generation to be active.
  10086.  
  10087. 2264
  10088. 01:51:18,213 --> 01:51:19,047
  10089. I'm tired.
  10090.  
  10091. 2265
  10092. 01:51:19,130 --> 01:51:20,799
  10093. [laughs]
  10094.  
  10095. 2266
  10096. 01:51:20,882 --> 01:51:22,175
  10097. This should be fun.
  10098.  
  10099. 2267
  10100. 01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:23,343
  10101. [interviewer] Oh, yeah.
  10102.  
  10103. 2268
  10104. 01:51:23,843 --> 01:51:26,179
  10105. [crowd clamoring]
  10106.  
  10107. 2269
  10108. 01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:29,432
  10109. ["Lean On Me" plays]
  10110.  
  10111. 2270
  10112. 01:51:30,850 --> 01:51:34,312
  10113. -My main man!
  10114. -Hey, what's up? What's up?
  10115.  
  10116. 2271
  10117. 01:51:34,896 --> 01:51:35,730
  10118. Hi.
  10119.  
  10120. 2272
  10121. 01:51:36,856 --> 01:51:38,817
  10122. -A star is born.
  10123. -That's right!
  10124.  
  10125. 2273
  10126. 01:51:38,900 --> 01:51:40,402
  10127. [Withers] And so today,
  10128.  
  10129. 2274
  10130. 01:51:41,444 --> 01:51:42,278
  10131. my man,
  10132.  
  10133. 2275
  10134. 01:51:42,862 --> 01:51:46,074
  10135. they gonna put your name
  10136. on the Walk of Fame.
  10137.  
  10138. 2276
  10139. 01:51:46,157 --> 01:51:48,159
  10140. [crowd applauds, cheers]
  10141.  
  10142. 2277
  10143. 01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:50,203
  10144. [Avant] Thank you.
  10145.  
  10146. 2278
  10147. 01:51:51,538 --> 01:51:52,539
  10148. Wow!
  10149.  
  10150. 2279
  10151. 01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:57,669
  10152. ♪ Sometimes in our life... ♪
  10153.  
  10154. 2280
  10155. 01:51:58,503 --> 01:52:01,923
  10156. [Babyface]
  10157. Because it isn't always about the money.
  10158.  
  10159. 2281
  10160. 01:52:02,006 --> 01:52:03,341
  10161. Well, he would beg to differ.
  10162.  
  10163. 2282
  10164. 01:52:03,425 --> 01:52:07,846
  10165. Yeah, I know. He would beg to differ,
  10166. but I would argue that
  10167.  
  10168. 2283
  10169. 01:52:07,929 --> 01:52:09,389
  10170. that's part of his game.
  10171.  
  10172. 2284
  10173. 01:52:09,472 --> 01:52:10,640
  10174. 'Cause...
  10175.  
  10176. 2285
  10177. 01:52:10,724 --> 01:52:13,268
  10178. I believe what's most important
  10179. to Clarence Avant
  10180.  
  10181. 2286
  10182. 01:52:13,351 --> 01:52:15,103
  10183. has nothing to do with money.
  10184.  
  10185. 2287
  10186. 01:52:15,186 --> 01:52:18,481
  10187. And he will argue it all day long,
  10188. but I disagree completely.
  10189.  
  10190. 2288
  10191. 01:52:18,565 --> 01:52:20,150
  10192. It has to do with
  10193.  
  10194. 2289
  10195. 01:52:20,233 --> 01:52:23,945
  10196. how much did it help you,
  10197. help your family,
  10198.  
  10199. 2290
  10200. 01:52:24,028 --> 01:52:25,321
  10201. and help your people,
  10202.  
  10203. 2291
  10204. 01:52:25,864 --> 01:52:26,990
  10205. help everyone?
  10206.  
  10207. 2292
  10208. 01:52:27,574 --> 01:52:29,075
  10209. [Foxx] Thank you for doing what you do.
  10210.  
  10211. 2293
  10212. 01:52:29,159 --> 01:52:30,744
  10213. We will take this
  10214. to the next generation
  10215.  
  10216. 2294
  10217. 01:52:30,827 --> 01:52:31,995
  10218. and keep on going. 
  10219.  
  10220. 2295
  10221. 01:52:35,707 --> 01:52:39,669
  10222. [Babyface] If he felt like you were
  10223. going out there and doing for others
  10224.  
  10225. 2296
  10226. 01:52:39,753 --> 01:52:41,379
  10227. as he's tried to do for you...
  10228.  
  10229. 2297
  10230. 01:52:42,338 --> 01:52:43,173
  10231. then I think
  10232.  
  10233. 2298
  10234. 01:52:43,256 --> 01:52:46,301
  10235. he would feel much better
  10236. about not getting that.
  10237.  
  10238. 2299
  10239. 01:52:46,384 --> 01:52:49,721
  10240. But if he feels like he did all this,
  10241. and you did nothing...
  10242.  
  10243. 2300
  10244. 01:52:50,305 --> 01:52:52,557
  10245. with it, and you helped no one,
  10246.  
  10247. 2301
  10248. 01:52:53,141 --> 01:52:54,476
  10249. then that was a bad investment.
  10250.  
  10251. 2302
  10252. 01:52:54,559 --> 01:52:57,437
  10253. -Yeah.
  10254. -Of my time and my love.
  10255.  
  10256. 2303
  10257. 01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:01,524
  10258. That's why we'll always have respect
  10259. for Clarence Avant, 'cause in the--
  10260.  
  10261. 2304
  10262. 01:53:01,608 --> 01:53:02,567
  10263. in the end,
  10264.  
  10265. 2305
  10266. 01:53:03,526 --> 01:53:05,570
  10267. he's got family. He's the first family,
  10268.  
  10269. 2306
  10270. 01:53:05,653 --> 01:53:07,947
  10271. and that ain't been about money,
  10272. that's about love.
  10273.  
  10274. 2307
  10275. 01:53:08,031 --> 01:53:09,991
  10276. Let's get that family together.
  10277.  
  10278. 2308
  10279. 01:53:10,992 --> 01:53:12,035
  10280. That's the example.
  10281.  
  10282. 2309
  10283. 01:53:12,327 --> 01:53:16,039
  10284. ♪ Oh, lean on me ♪
  10285.  
  10286. 2310
  10287. 01:53:17,749 --> 01:53:20,668
  10288. Hey, man, I had a good life thus far.
  10289.  
  10290. 2311
  10291. 01:53:21,044 --> 01:53:23,087
  10292. If I wake up tomorrow morning,
  10293. and I'm Warren Buffett,
  10294.  
  10295. 2312
  10296. 01:53:23,171 --> 01:53:24,464
  10297. I'll have a better life.
  10298.  
  10299. 2313
  10300. 01:53:24,547 --> 01:53:26,549
  10301. [vocalizing]
  10302.  
  10303. 2314
  10304. 01:53:31,221 --> 01:53:34,015
  10305. You know, whenever I see Clarence,
  10306. he always gives me a hug,
  10307.  
  10308. 2315
  10309. 01:53:34,098 --> 01:53:35,683
  10310. and cusses me out,
  10311.  
  10312. 2316
  10313. 01:53:35,767 --> 01:53:38,144
  10314. [chuckles]
  10315. and then ask me what I'm doing.
  10316.  
  10317. 2317
  10318. 01:53:38,228 --> 01:53:40,939
  10319. Know what I mean? He's like,
  10320. "Motherfucker, what are you talking about?
  10321.  
  10322. 2318
  10323. 01:53:41,022 --> 01:53:43,107
  10324. You know, I mean,
  10325. that's some bullshit!"
  10326.  
  10327. 2319
  10328. 01:53:43,191 --> 01:53:45,610
  10329. Clarence had that old,
  10330. by the bayou cussing.
  10331.  
  10332. 2320
  10333. 01:53:45,693 --> 01:53:47,529
  10334. "Now, you get your motherfucking ass."
  10335.  
  10336. 2321
  10337. 01:53:47,612 --> 01:53:50,365
  10338. You know, how you got
  10339. that inflection like that.
  10340.  
  10341. 2322
  10342. 01:53:50,448 --> 01:53:52,325
  10343. "You get your motherfucking ass!"
  10344.  
  10345. 2323
  10346. 01:53:52,408 --> 01:53:54,327
  10347. For me, he's called me
  10348.  
  10349. 2324
  10350. 01:53:54,410 --> 01:53:56,996
  10351. every kind of name
  10352. you can probably think of.
  10353.  
  10354. 2325
  10355. 01:53:57,080 --> 01:54:01,835
  10356. Clarence would be on the phone,
  10357. calling the president of a studio an MF.
  10358.  
  10359. 2326
  10360. 01:54:01,918 --> 01:54:03,753
  10361. What the fuck is he doing?
  10362.  
  10363. 2327
  10364. 01:54:03,837 --> 01:54:05,630
  10365. "What the fuck was that?
  10366. What y'all doing?"
  10367.  
  10368. 2328
  10369. 01:54:05,713 --> 01:54:08,383
  10370. You've never been cussed out
  10371. till Clarence cusses you out.
  10372.  
  10373. 2329
  10374. 01:54:08,466 --> 01:54:10,093
  10375. A Clarence curse-out was like...
  10376.  
  10377. 2330
  10378. 01:54:10,677 --> 01:54:12,262
  10379. "Wow, that was great."
  10380.  
  10381. 2331
  10382. 01:54:13,304 --> 01:54:14,889
  10383. Like Stockholm Syndrome.
  10384.  
  10385. 2332
  10386. 01:54:14,973 --> 01:54:16,850
  10387. [laughing]
  10388.  
  10389. 2333
  10390. 01:54:16,933 --> 01:54:19,394
  10391. "All right, motherfucker!
  10392. Let's go get paid!
  10393.  
  10394. 2334
  10395. 01:54:19,727 --> 01:54:21,062
  10396. Let's go get paid!"
  10397.  
  10398. 2335
  10399. 01:54:21,145 --> 01:54:23,314
  10400. Most affectionate "motherfucker"
  10401. anybody could give you.
  10402.  
  10403. 2336
  10404. 01:54:23,398 --> 01:54:24,232
  10405. Yeah.
  10406.  
  10407. 2337
  10408. 01:54:24,315 --> 01:54:25,650
  10409. It's almost like Jekyll and Hyde.
  10410.  
  10411. 2338
  10412. 01:54:25,733 --> 01:54:28,111
  10413. You can't believe that we're talking
  10414. about the same...
  10415.  
  10416. 2339
  10417. 01:54:29,863 --> 01:54:32,198
  10418. eloquent person that we know so well.
  10419.  
  10420. 2340
  10421. 01:54:32,282 --> 01:54:34,909
  10422. You know, I've been called motherfucker
  10423. so much by Clarence,
  10424.  
  10425. 2341
  10426. 01:54:34,993 --> 01:54:37,412
  10427. I thought "motherfucker"
  10428. was my middle... [laughing]
  10429.  
  10430. 2342
  10431. 01:54:37,495 --> 01:54:38,997
  10432. Clarence has never cursed me out,
  10433.  
  10434. 2343
  10435. 01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:41,457
  10436. I am so proud to say.
  10437.  
  10438. 2344
  10439. 01:54:43,918 --> 01:54:47,005
  10440. Now, when y'all through with me,
  10441. how much y'all paying me for all this?
  10442.  
  10443. 2345
  10444. 01:54:47,088 --> 01:54:48,131
  10445. [interviewer laughs]
  10446.  
  10447. 2346
  10448. 01:54:48,214 --> 01:54:49,507
  10449. ♪ To bring the light ♪
  10450.  
  10451. 2347
  10452. 01:54:51,426 --> 01:54:53,428
  10453. [vocalizing]
  10454.  
  10455. 2348
  10456. 01:54:56,723 --> 01:55:00,518
  10457. ♪ To bring the light, yeah ♪
  10458.  
  10459. 2349
  10460. 01:55:06,858 --> 01:55:10,820
  10461. ♪ I'm sorry if this is a bore ♪
  10462.  
  10463. 2350
  10464. 01:55:10,904 --> 01:55:14,616
  10465. ♪ But I wasn't fitting in here before ♪
  10466.  
  10467. 2351
  10468. 01:55:14,699 --> 01:55:16,701
  10469. ♪ So I toast him tonight ♪
  10470.  
  10471. 2352
  10472. 01:55:27,003 --> 01:55:30,256
  10473. ♪ When your trajectory was off ♪
  10474.  
  10475. 2353
  10476. 01:55:35,678 --> 01:55:37,972
  10477. ♪ And couldn't find true north ♪
  10478.  
  10479. 2354
  10480. 01:55:38,431 --> 01:55:39,807
  10481. ♪ Just lost ♪
  10482.  
  10483. 2355
  10484. 01:55:44,354 --> 01:55:48,816
  10485. ♪ He would say,
  10486. "Protect him at all costs" ♪
  10487.  
  10488. 2356
  10489. 01:55:53,988 --> 01:55:57,867
  10490. ♪ Then he would hang up the call ♪
  10491.  
  10492. 2357
  10493. 01:56:00,954 --> 01:56:06,709
  10494. ♪ But we
  10495. We can still hug him now ♪
  10496.  
  10497. 2358
  10498. 01:56:12,131 --> 01:56:15,885
  10499. ♪ After all these years ♪
  10500.  
  10501. 2359
  10502. 01:56:21,015 --> 01:56:24,894
  10503. ♪ 'Cause when the darkness comes ♪
  10504.  
  10505. 2360
  10506. 01:56:30,483 --> 01:56:33,778
  10507. ♪ He's our chandelier ♪
  10508.  
  10509. 2361
  10510. 01:56:36,030 --> 01:56:38,032
  10511. ♪ To bring the light ♪
  10512.  
  10513. 2362
  10514. 01:56:44,998 --> 01:56:48,501
  10515. ♪ To bring the light, yeah ♪
  10516.  
  10517. 2363
  10518. 01:56:54,841 --> 01:56:58,845
  10519. ♪ I'm sorry if this is a bore ♪
  10520.  
  10521. 2364
  10522. 01:56:58,928 --> 01:57:02,640
  10523. ♪ But I wasn't fitting in here before ♪
  10524.  
  10525. 2365
  10526. 01:57:02,724 --> 01:57:04,976
  10527. ♪ So I toast him tonight ♪
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