talking about helluva boss ep 7 - part 8

from /hhg/ Helluva Hotel General #909, #910, #911, #913, #914
part 1: https://pastebin.com/RzUBAuCb
part 2: https://pastebin.com/f4Qjz7kh
part 3: https://pastebin.com/Apt4hFW7
part 4: https://pastebin.com/8cz351Gp
part 5: https://pastebin.com/nasjH6My
What will part 2 be like
https://pastebin.com/jEkGT466
discussion about Loona and abaddon
https://pastebin.com/TGTB4BpG
part 6: https://pastebin.com/DzwHRPPn
part 7: https://pastebin.com/4RRxNwmE
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Episode 6, Blitzo suffered a hallucination of him experiencing his worst nightmares.

Episode 7, Blitzo experienced the nightmares in reality.

Another amusing thing worth considering is that Blitzo's hallucination were long-term issues he is dealing with. Whereas Moxxie's was regarding short-term issues.
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It seems rather obvious now...
>Blitzo is a grab bag of personal traumas, bad decisions, heavily paranoid, impulsive, immature, possibly suffering from Impostor Syndrome or just low self-esteem, and is weighed down by the guilt of all his mistakes
>Moxxie lacks confidence, which he tries to hide with professionalism, and has ambiguous feelings towards his boss (especially since Blitzo's so flippant with him), but is generally OK, if a bit sheltered from reality
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Stolas' Mansion is in the Sloth Ring, the sky is pink.
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Looks to me like just an unsaturated red rather than pink.
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You're right, I don't think the mansion is in the Sloth ring.
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Wouldn't really make sense for Stolas to be there anyway, since none of his key stuff is really slothful, if anything its greed due to him teaching you valuable stones and useful herbs.
Although the Ars Goetia don't take direct orders from the 7 Princes of Evil anyway, so...
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What is the relationship between Asmodeus, Stolas and Lucifer?

Does /hhg/ like Asmodeus?
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Yeah, I like him.
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he seems like a cool guy with some style and he tore the fk outta the dance floor.
I liked that he gave moxxie a second chance after he got offended the first time at least.
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Forget those three. When are we gonna see the big boss himself? First of the kings of hell and commander of 66 legions.
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Asmodeus is one of the Seven Deadly Sins due to him being one of the 7 Shtheads that rebeled against Heaven.
Lucifer is top dog, followed by Satan, followed by the other 5, then the Ars Goetia (theres more then just the ones in Solomon's book, Solomon just documented the ones he btfo), then everyone else.
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>Does /hhg/ like Asmodeus?

I do
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>Lucifer is top dog

I thought Satan was, it's just that he's cck-deep in ice rn
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Nah.
Lucifer is like Mark Antony or whoever, while Satan is Brutus.
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Is that from Viv?
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No thats just from like, Religious Canon.
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>Satan, previously Sataniel, is on the same level as some Arab Deity, demonized so the Arabs would stop comparing him to Jesus

Lolwut
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Abrahamic Religions are an odd rabbit hole to go down.
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Not really, it just gets a bit whacky with the denominations imo
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You see him crying on the couch, what would you do?
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I allow him to be alone.
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Leave them alone because its very unlikely you could do anything to help them at that time. Furthermore there is a 90% chance they would not be doing this if you were anywhere near them, I guarantee if Loona was home he'd be doing something else to occupy his mind.
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>he must be perched cuz, you know, he's crying
>Hey, do you need some water?
>>Yes
Bring him a glass of cool water.
>>No
Keep going where I was heading. He clearly wants to be alone.

His problems aren't mine and he would probably be a dck about me offering help and/or listening to his problems. I know that it's his way of coping and dealing with whatever he is going through but I don't want to go out of my way and ignore his push back just to "help".
I'll respect his decision even if I don't maybe agree with him. After all, a glass of cool water feels great after a good cry.
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I really hope we see Satan. If it happens I think it'll be funny if he's just the classic red devil with hrns and a pitchfork. Although judging by the Workout app seen on Blitzo's phone he'll probably look like a goat demon with six eyes. Also I think it'll be cool if despite living in the Rath ring, Satan is a super collected guy.
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K E K
Top tier green right there
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In the Spring Break episoe Blitzo mentions the nearest ocean being three rings down.
Which one do you think it is?
I bet its Envy.
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I can see that. Beach-body envy and all that.
So, are fishdemons from in envy?
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Actually, judging from the Hellevator, it's in Gluttony.
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Wait, no, I'm stupid.
>three rings down
It's in Greed.
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Maybe.
Maybe Baxter is super envious of all the scientists who got rich and famous before he could.
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They're all scouse
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By the by, further evidence of the order of the Rings. Remember this?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643545780967309333/907338079256317992/1636395671070.jpg
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I assume thats the correct order.
Since Envy is an Ocean probably and Sloth is the void, so it makes sense they'd be the bottom.
And the joke about Florida being the lowest ring of Hell seems to prove it.
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Greed also has an ocean, according to Blitzo.
Maybe it "shares" it with Envy?
It would be ironic for both rings.
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Maybe Blitzo just doesn't know how to count
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That's pretty good

>>43023650
I think the Florida location is just set up for Episode 3. Like she was doing concerts around hell but her last stop was Florida.

>>43023282
So, we do know names of main cities in Hell. We still don't know where Imp city is, right?
She also did a concert for sinners in Pentagram city it seems but the rest of the cities are for natives?
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But Verosika btches to Blitz about the time he stole her credit card and went "3 rings down to Wrath." Wouldn't that mess up the order?
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>>43024569
Could be just an expression. It also depends on where he stole the credit card.
I see this >>43023282 as being in an ascending order, as in, Sloth being the top
So it could be that he stole the credit card in Lust and fled to Wrath, which makes sense because I thought Lust was where they hooked up anyway.

(or maybe Verosica did her concerts all willy nilly and not in ring order)
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Were they boyfriends?
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Probably just childhood fiends
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Really sht headcanon. But brothers? They were together as babies in one image. In onesies and everything. Maybe they were best friend Implings?
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Fk did he do to make his ex close friend so savagely attack him at the club?
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Why is Fizz so perverted?
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>>43030494
>some childhood accident where he lost his body we speculate happened because Blitzo
>thus bad blood already
>and then he also destroyed Looloo land
I think that's plenty enough to justify his hate.

>>43030548
Literally works for Lust
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Just noticed the Mammon shirts.
Maybe the IMP office is in Greed and the ocean being three levels down is because Blitzo was counting the ring they were currently in?
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I thought the IMP Office has to be in Pride since that's the only ring Sinners are allowed into?
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The beach is three rings down from Pride, right?
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Yeah, it's in Envy.
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No, that would be gluttony.
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Can someone make symbols based on this for each of the rings?
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Wouldn't those be just the sigils of the ruling princes?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643545780967309333/907774078541262898/1636488778508.jpg
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Something I noticed.
Look at Mammons face, notice how it has slits over the eyes.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643545780967309333/907774109398741002/1636489555418.png
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Its the clown makeup that Blitzo has
So whats the connection between clowns and greed? How is Vivziepop going to make this work?
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Notice how Blitzo has them, while his Fizz and Blitzo's his family do not.
So, lets assume Blitzo is a Greed imp.
Perhaps, Blitzo was adopted by Fizzarollis family.
Robo-Fizz mentions that Blitzo was really sht at his old clown job. Which would make sense, since hes's an entirely seperate kind of imp, maybe Fizzarolli's family are Pride immps (since Lucifer is dressed like a ring leader of course his imps would beeee clowns).
This brings up my point, Blitzo, due to Greed, caused something horrible to happen, that resulted in Fizz becoming a parapalegic, and possibly getting their mother killed..

tldr: Blitzo is adopted and destroyed his adoptive family by being a greedy sht
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Also the symbol on his head is probably just painted on so he can fit in.
Him being adopted could also be the reason he adopted Loona, because he knows how it feels to be abandoned.
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OR!
Blitzo has a special connection directly to Mammon
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I think that symbol was actually based on the lust symbol from here: >>43050471
It's not out of the realm of possibility that he was adopted.
As for the slit - Barb has them, but young Fizz doesn't.

Look, for all we know, these just could be throwaway indicators of their main "sins" (i.e., the vices that lead to their downfall), without any hereditary connections.
Blitzo definitely has elements of Greed and Lust in him.
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I'm starting to guess that momma was a lust demon and daddy was a greedy fker
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Why in the name of god did Vivziepop decide to make sinners higher on the social hierarchy of hell than imps or hellhounds. Aren't imps supposed to be the darling children of Satan? I actually think it would make a lot more sense if imps in Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss filled more of a middle class role in hell.

They would be below sinner overlords (who get their powers from hellborn nobles who effectively puppet them) but above hellhounds and VASTLY above sinners. Possibly have it to where sinners are treated in essence as indentured servants or slaves with no codified rights or laws, with imps and even hellhounds, to a lesser degree being offered inalienable rights under the law.

Going further, to remind the audience that this is a show about evil demons. Maybe the reason someone as seemingly "nice" as Moxxie could be an assassin is strictly because the people that he's murdering are humans and that he actually has a good deal of racism towards them, possibly egged on by his wife who's extremely racist towards humans.

Furthermore, as IMP begins to learn more and more about how sinners actually live and the conditions they face, Loona may gradually begin to feel more and more alienated from her imp co workers. Seeing the kind of injustices and cruelty the vast majority of sinners have to face may remind her of the treatment that hellhounds receive. Or have it be that the whole IMP crew actually begins to have second doubts about running an assassination business.

Perhaps the true conditions that sinners are facing in pride is covered up to hellborn, presenting to them the idea that sinners can run around doing whatever they want while in reality most of them are living in favelas constructed out of garbage and are being pressed into indentured servitude or slavery.
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>Maybe the reason someone as seemingly "nice" as Moxxie could be an assassin is strictly because the people that he's murdering are humans and that he actually has a good deal of racism towards them, possibly egged on by his wife who's extremely racist towards humans.
what would be a good racial slur for humans
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>>43051955
Well, Sinner seems obvious.
It's fairly straightforward, similar to how nger works as a slur - it's basic description of the person, just about their moral character, rather than their skin color.

In an odd way, it's actual related to MLK's idea of judging someone by the "content of their character", but with it being a prejudice, rather than objective judgement.

>>43051855
Sinners stand outside of Hell's usual hierarchy, as they're too varied in nature to fit in anywhere properly. Overlords and others are obviously more powerful than the average imp, but the average sinner is pretty much on the same level as them.

I'd say it works less like a straight hierarchy, and more a class system.
Hellhounds, being more animalistic, are on the bottom of the hellborne order, but they still have considerable upwards mobility, should they chose to engage in society.
Imps seem to range from the precariat (those living in absolute powerty) to roughly middle-class. To advance any higher, they either have to be outlaws (even by Hell's standards), or have the patronage of someone higher than them.
Striker's remark owning a business indicates that imps were traditionally a servile class, but both Wally's and Blitzo's businesses indicate that this isn't the case anymore, though it's still a relatively recent development (if the founding date of Imp City is anything to go by, it may have started sometime before the '70s, which could feel relatively recent for longevous beings, such as the upper echelons of Hell).
This would mean that imps were either emancipated or were able to gain a middle-class existence less than a century ago - 3-4 generations ago, by average human lifespans.

Regardless of this recent upward mobility, they're still seen as the runts of Hell, and associating with them (at least, for royalty) is considered degrading.
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Incubi and Succubi, despite naturally falling into the roles of prostitutes, still seem to have a far greater upward mobility than imps, though they roughly occupy the same social strata as them.
They can reach higher than the average imp.
The baphomet demons seen in Ep. 7 also seem to be a subset of hellborne that's in a similar position.

In general, from what I've seen so far, I'd say that Hell's society is evolving.
Traditionally, everyone underneath the nobility and royalty were just serfs and servants, but this has recently changed (maybe coinciding with the social changes happening on Earth), which saw Hell move away from a feudal hierarchy to a class system.
Due to commerce, there's wider options and a greater upward mobility (as well as relatively higher living standards) for the hellborne, but they still hit a pretty hard ceiling, above which stand royalty.

Sinners don't fit into this picture.
They're chaotic, destructive, and plastic when it comes to power and social ranks. Overlords were seemingly allowed to rise up to introduce some sort of order (and possibly so that royalty could extract some labor and value from the sinners). The fact that they're constricted to Pride means they're not omnipresent in all of Hell, meaning they don't actively risk the life, wellbeing and employment of most Hellborne.

They may have been the catalyst behind the changes of Hell's social system, but the only reason they're considered "stronger" than imps or others is because they're outside of the same restrictions that face many of the former servile species.
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>Aren't imps supposed to be the darling children of Satan?
Satan is Saturn and Saturn devoured his children.
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They're spawns of Satan, not children.
Same distinction as between a house and a home.