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  2. PivbooToday at 3:11 PM
  3. you can have the intent to just call attention to, but in the end of the day if people are being burned at the stake, then it's still a witch hunt
  5. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:11 PM
  6. So let it slide?
  7. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I cannot do that
  9. PivbooToday at 3:11 PM
  10. I'm saying that you could have been able to give him a chance to fix the issue
  12. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:11 PM
  13. I did
  14. He didn't comply with defending himself
  16. PivbooToday at 3:11 PM
  17. which is why I was asking for a timeline on this
  19. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:12 PM
  20. The timeline doesn't matter if the other party doesn't comply
  21. You're being fair to the wrong party here
  23. PivbooToday at 3:12 PM
  24. could I get a reference to him not complying?
  25. wait hold up
  26. You're being fair to the wrong party here
  27. why does any one party not deserve to be treated fair?
  29. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:13 PM
  32. PivbooToday at 3:13 PM
  33. you didn't go to master2015 with proof though
  35. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:14 PM
  36. I asked him to provide proof that he isn't stealing
  38. PivbooToday at 3:14 PM
  39. they didn't comply with giving you the files, but they shouldn't need to
  41. inVictorToday at 3:14 PM
  42. I think his answer was pretty natural tbh
  44. PivbooToday at 3:14 PM
  45. it's not like you have a warrant on it or anything
  47. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:14 PM
  48. Then mine isn't?
  49. Because I think my actions are pretty natural for someone who has been stolen from, too
  51. PivbooToday at 3:14 PM
  52. I think guilty until proven otherwise is pretty unfair thing to do tbh
  54. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:15 PM
  55. Then I'm afraid you're living in too ideal a world
  57. PivbooToday at 3:15 PM
  58. just because you guys have sparing evidence and Irina's hunch, that isn't proof enough for this sort of thing
  60. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:15 PM
  61. Except now, the proof is here
  62. Attachment file type: code
  63. master2015hp_OliviaVictoryAddon.js
  64. 22.44 KB
  66. inVictorToday at 3:16 PM
  67. I’m no expert coder but as far as I can tell three experienced coders have checked it and coincide that it’s not a copy per se
  69. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:17 PM
  70. Expert coders being?
  72. PivbooToday at 3:17 PM
  73. lol Victor you're giving me too much credit
  74. I'm a hobbyist, nothing more
  76. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:19 PM
  77. Let's put it in a nutshell what I did see
  79. YEP:
  80. function = drawChanges
  81. actionA
  82. actionB
  83. actionC
  85. What they did
  87. function = drawChanges
  88. newActionA
  89. newActionB
  90. newActionC
  92. function = newActionA
  93. YEP.actionA
  95. function = newActionB
  96. YEP.actionB
  98. function = newActionC
  99. YEP.actionC
  100. They removed the plugin parameter fluff
  101. Put in hard numbers instead
  102. But everything else is more or less identical
  103. I suggest you guys take a look again
  104. Especially the expert coders here
  105. And that's just one layer of it, too
  107. Resi ♥Today at 3:21 PM
  108. You're defending your code in a way that makes you come across as a tyrant. How much time did you give Master2015hp to comply with your request?
  109. And demanding us to remove them from the server without allowing to conduct our own investigation is nonsense
  111. TeaToday at 3:22 PM
  112. I agree with Yanfly's actions and would probably do the same thing, for the record.
  114. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:22 PM
  115. I gave him enough time to respond
  117. Resi ♥Today at 3:22 PM
  118. we take days to deliberate on a course of action
  119. nothing is as quick as you want it
  120. how much is enough time?
  122. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:22 PM
  123. He didn't comply, I didn't have all night to spend, and given that at that time, I received news from Archeia that he was also banned on RMW, he was properly dealt with
  124. He didn't comply, not respond
  128. Resi ♥Today at 3:23 PM
  129. Yes, you alread posted that
  131. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:23 PM
  132. So how much time is enough time in your opinion?
  134. Resi ♥Today at 3:24 PM
  135. Analysis of information takes more than 15 minutes
  137. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:24 PM
  138. Because from the very start, SRD has been trying to paint me as the tyrant here, despite me being the victim
  140. Resi ♥Today at 3:24 PM
  141. and it's important to have the comply
  143. PivbooToday at 3:24 PM
  144. I'm just going to point out, you never brought the evidence to him that you provided
  146. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:24 PM
  147. The evidence was brought later, was it not?
  149. Resi ♥Today at 3:24 PM
  150. Whilst you feel that you are a victim, for our server we take into account both sides of the story
  152. PivbooToday at 3:24 PM
  153. was the evidence brought up to him at any point
  155. Resi ♥Today at 3:24 PM
  156. On your server you are free to do with them what you please
  158. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:24 PM
  159. Irina made the announcement of plagiarism with the Cloud-pose before bringing in the evidence
  161. PivbooToday at 3:24 PM
  162. all I saw was you going "give us evidence" and him going "get it yourself"
  164. Resi ♥Today at 3:24 PM
  165. But do not bully us into submission on our moderation decisions
  167. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:25 PM
  168. If that's how you see it
  169. Then I'm afraid this is it
  171. TeaToday at 3:25 PM
  172. If I spent 5 years making and providing free plugin for the community (almost 200 high quality constantly updated plugins) and found out that someone was copying them and profiting, and that person refused to clear it up with me, I would respond in the same way. I don't think it's rash or an overreaction, but necessary.
  174. Resi ♥Today at 3:26 PM
  175. It's not an overreaction to respond in that manner
  176. but there is a better way to get what you need
  178. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:26 PM
  179. It was bloody 1am in the morning for me
  181. Resi ♥Today at 3:26 PM
  182. Then you sleep it off and take care of it in the morning
  183. the world isn't going to end, you're still an established creator
  185. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:26 PM
  186. Easier said than done, no?
  188. Resi ♥Today at 3:26 PM
  189. I understand you were frustrated, I likely would have reacted the same way for sure
  191. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:27 PM
  192. Aren't you the one coming off as bullying now then?
  194. PivbooToday at 3:27 PM
  195. if there was other reason that he was banned; then please by all means, but bringing up accusations of plagiarism, and expecting us to conform to just banning a person because of that is a tad presumptuous
  197. Resi ♥Today at 3:27 PM
  198. No Yanfly, I'm a moderator upset with how you expected us to remove the user from our server without investigation
  199. I'm not bullying you, I'm disagreeing with how you approached the result
  201. PivbooToday at 3:27 PM
  202. because from what it sound like is that he was banned on the portal for accusations + previous behaviour in RMW
  204. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:27 PM
  205. I'm not going to deny that I approached it in a well off manner
  206. But that doesn't change the fact that they're thieves and have a ban history
  208. Resi ♥Today at 3:28 PM
  209. And that's fine. We needed to investigate that
  210. Having context is very important for us
  212. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:28 PM
  213. You guys weren't even attempting to get the context
  214. You were dead beat on setting me in the light of a tyrant
  216. Resi ♥Today at 3:28 PM
  217. We wanted to see the code
  219. PivbooToday at 3:29 PM
  220. when we asked for context you said it was unnecessary
  222. Resi ♥Today at 3:29 PM
  223. I think you should take a moment Yanfly
  224. We're not looking to attack you
  225. We just want information
  227. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:29 PM
  228. Show me where I said that, Pivoo?
  229. I might have forgotten where
  231. PivbooToday at 3:30 PM
  234. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:30 PM
  235. Is that saying it was unnecessary?
  237. Resi ♥Today at 3:30 PM
  238. Let's go further back to when Yanfly reported the issue
  239. You are right, it was 1AM
  240. Most of the team was sleeping and I was heading to bed myself
  241. We didn't have time to get information and we discuss issues like this privately
  242. I should have stated that we were looking into it
  243. No one asked for proof when the issue was reported
  244. it's being dealt with now because everyone has the time to handle it
  246. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:33 PM
  247. So, now have you had the time to handle it, what's the verdict?
  249. PivbooToday at 3:33 PM
  250. I personally haven't come to a conclusion
  252. Resi ♥Today at 3:33 PM
  253. My opinion is not the verdict
  255. PivbooToday at 3:33 PM
  256. there's not enough evidence for me to make a verdict
  257. comfortably
  259. Resi ♥Today at 3:34 PM
  260. But what I would suggest is that we teach this user what they did is plagiarizing and that the understand by renaming values based on already existing code doesn't fix the situation
  261. What would be demanded from this user is that they adjust the code to something that is not a direct copy
  262. if they do not comply then they would be banned
  264. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:34 PM
  265. Then you do that
  267. Resi ♥Today at 3:35 PM
  268. It's not the verdict
  269. It's just my suggested course of action
  271. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:35 PM
  272. Because all this sounds like to me
  273. Is delaying the damage
  275. PivbooToday at 3:35 PM
  276. the code itself doesn't seem blatantly ripped off; and there's no evidence that the specific issue was brought up to the user and asked for it to be removed once evidence was provided
  278. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:35 PM
  279. Furthermore
  280. What's even coming off as offensive
  281. Is that you're arguing semantics instead of the problem
  283. Resi ♥Today at 3:36 PM
  284. The problem is that the user copied your code in a way that is clear to you. What would be better is to convey to them that what they did is stealing and they need to learn their own methods of coding a solution in their code.
  285. But I understand you wish to defend your work and your decision on your server is fair
  286. And the actions you take are justified
  287. Here we handle things in a more nuanced manner since we are not directly affected by this theft
  289. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:37 PM
  290. Now
  291. Do you have anyone in your staff who is capable of actually figuring this out then?
  292. Because this has reached telephone tag levels of customer service reps passing it to another since they don't want to be the one responsible for handling it
  294. Resi ♥Today at 3:38 PM
  295. Woah, you need to take a break
  297. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:38 PM
  298. Yes, I do
  299. I said it earlier
  301. Resi ♥Today at 3:38 PM
  302. Please go do that, we'll handle this internally from now on.
  304. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 3:38 PM
  305. My day and night has been wack so my tongue won't be as gentle
  307. SRDudeToday at 6:09 PM
  308. 🐇:
  309. Like I said before
  310. Why i = 0; i < 9; i++ ?
  311. Why not
  312. drawLevel()
  313. for loop 1 < 8?
  315. They are literally constructing 8 identical windows for level + stats. It's not even a draw function, they're creating 8 windows. Even if it was a draw function, the code for drawing levels is identical to the rest of the stat displays. Why would the person place a piece of identical code that's contained within the for-loop prior to it. That is not logical. I can't believe this is really what's being focused on.
  317. SRDudeToday at 6:53 PM
  319. Also, thank you to the person that pointed this out. Going back to the plagiarism claims against myself, the first comparison that I admitted fault to was because both plugins use code from the RPG Maker MV's code base. You can't find it easily, since it appears this code was changed completely after v1.3, so you can't find it in projects that have been updated or created with the current MV. Just figured I would point that out before this all ends, because that was something that bothered me because I knew I would never do such a thing. This does show why you need to be careful with claims of plagiarism. You can make mistakes. The accusations towards me were bogus, and it's a bit frustrating to see such an them used as "blackmail" in order to get me to shut up about the issue.
  321. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 8:34 PM
  322. ffs it's already been resolved
  324. Now, onto your bit. Saving something to blackmail you to shut you up? For real? Don't get full of yourself. The whole thing was brought to my attention due to the Soulpour incident of 3 years past for code theft from MogHunter (victim). According to the sender, the denizens of /rpgmg/ (the 4chan RPG Maker group) agreed that it was stolen code and they thought it would be best if I, the person whom they thought the code is taken from, made a decision on what to do with it. I took it up to Archeia and we both agreed to turn a blind eye on it for the sake of the community. But regardless of that, we kept it under record because that's what Archeia and I have to do as community leaders.
  325. However, some things doesn't sit well with me. They are:
  327. #1 - Why did you suddenly and conveniently remember about that 1.3.0 code instead of using it to defend yourself earlier? Not to mention that past the time you posted your plugin, it was already after version 1.3.1. The better thing to do would be to use the updated function, would it not? Why use what you found in my plugin, the outdated version?
  329. #2 - The phrase "bothered me because I knew I would never do such a thing" strikes me awkward because it says to me that you're taking this as if it's someone else's issue as well as it's something you had to double guess yourself about.
  331. #3 - So what about the other three? And what about the issue mentioned before where credit was not given where due?
  333. But you know what? I don't even care about all of those because knowing the answer doesn't really change anything about the situation.
  335. Resi ♥Today at 8:36 PM
  336. We're not encouraging this behavior
  337. Take it out of this channel or drop it the both of you
  339. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 8:36 PM
  340. Oi
  341. Are you really directing this towards me?
  343. Resi ♥Today at 8:36 PM
  344. If you want to discuss this with SRD, do it in DMs
  346. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 8:36 PM
  347. Isn't that something he should have done in the first place?
  349. Resi ♥Today at 8:36 PM
  350. You're the one who brought it up initially
  352. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 8:37 PM
  353. Oh really?
  354. I brought up the theft
  356. Resi ♥Today at 8:37 PM
  357. Yes, that's what I mean.
  359. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 8:37 PM
  360. I'll give that
  361. Is that something to bring up in DM or here?
  363. Resi ♥Today at 8:37 PM
  364. Here it doesn't matter. Why don't you act like an adult and discuss it privately and work toward a solution
  365. Same goes to you SRD
  367. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 8:38 PM
  368. Because that's what I've been doing this whole time?
  370. Resi ♥Today at 8:38 PM
  371. No, you haven't been acting like an adult
  373. 🐇🐇🐇Today at 8:38 PM
  374. Then I'm afraid it's time I act more like a child then
  375. Farewell
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