Joe Rogan Clip Analysis, Energy & Flow

systems_architect Sep 18th, 2018 (edited) 180 Never
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  1. # 2018-09-18
  3. Joe Rogan Clip: His Conversation Energy & Flow
  7. With Elon Musk, on His Twitter Usage.
  9. - [Deleting social media from your phone? 10%...] --Referential:
  10.   Outside research (Te--very good for Joe, less conscious emphasis but
  11.   this sort of thing really helps him out in discussions and in
  12.   decisionmaking-valuing processes)
  13. - To Musk: [What's interesting about actually engage with
  14.   people on Twitter]
  15.   - "What percentage of that is a good idea?" (Laughs)
  16.      -- Measurement / grounding. Subject is bringing an observational
  17.        comment around to a measured judgment point (Te) in a blunt
  18.        way that still leaves an unspoken conclusion ("some of that IS a bad
  19.        idea"). This allows him to serve the Fe process of being just
  20.        gentle enough to seem playful and attached to the conversation
  21.        in a friendly way.
  22. - The weird feeling you get when someone says something sh*tty to you
  23.   on Twitter
  24.     - Bringing in the extraversion toward sensory characteristics (Se)
  25.       and one's own mental model (Ti), covering up / mocking hurt feelings (Fi)
  26.       - "This weird little negative jolt."
  27.       - "It's like a subjective, negative jolt of energy."
  28.       - Here we see a reach for a multiple-label-description, as opposed to
  29.         "hey doesn't that make you feel like crap".
  30.       - "That you don't really need to absorb but you do anyway."
  31.         - This is one's own feelings--Fi. Rogan takes a playful voice
  32.           here to mock the feeling ("well f*ck this guy"), which
  33.           echoes the way blind-spot functions are held up for ridicule
  34.           by the subjective psyche.
  35.       - "If you try to be a little scientist while you ingest it"
  36.         - Trying to replace Fi with Ti. Won't work--no substitute is
  37.           acceptable. Joe cannot continue down this line; Fi just _is_.
  38. - "You had that thought!" "I'm better than you, I never had that thought!"
  39.   - Joe's troubled feelings around his tendency to immediately approach
  40.     the (bad/good/whatever) object are on display. Extraversion's
  41.     liability must be covered.
  42.     - The extravert's dilemma: You reached for the donut first. Does that
  43.       make you bad?
  44.       - You had the bad thought first, or you _said_ it, _expressed it_.
  45.         Does that make you bad? Or is someone out to catch you up?
  46.         - If so, I (extravert) am a bad person?
  47.         - So this line of thinking _must_ be met with conclusion:
  48.           - "It's'd never be so mean to someone if you
  49.             were looking in their eyes..."
  50.           - However this circles around "fairness," which to JR ought to
  51.             be a subject fraught with trouble.
  52.           - Discomfort with internet impresence vs. presence, a recurring
  53.             theme with the objective world vs. the subjective virtual world.
  54.           - To settle your own feelings, then, you would push yourself to
  55.             seek people out in real life, challenge them, talk about them,
  56.             confront them.
  57.           - Completely understandable! This is where Joe's gifts are:
  58.             Complete frontal assault on target object, be there first and fast.
  59. - Final "unless you were a sociopath, you'd feel like sh*t" comment.
  60.   - This is really telling, as there are actually people out there who would
  61.     do exactly this (tell someone to their face they're a bad person for
  62.     that thing they said even if they might have since changed their mind)
  63.     and they're cruising around in Rogan's blind spot.
  64.   - Are they sociopaths, though, just for saying something like that?
  65.     - Quick answer: No--this shows us the subjective nature of these
  66.       labels. What Rogan is really defending here is "right words" which
  67.       is a famously brittle and even ineffective practice in given
  68.       circumstances. His defense of "right words" (Fe) is right on and
  69.       great by itself, though not to the extent that it leaves his weak spot unguarded.
  70.       Calling the person who could haunt you a "sociopath" is immediately
  71.       gratifying and helpful on a soothing level. But recognizing the role
  72.       of the same voice in one's own psyche, etc. are known to be intervention-
  73.       level practices that change lives for the better.
  75. The conversation is characterized by a jump from object (Musk, Twitter)
  76. to subjective feeling analysis (people saying mean things) to further
  77. subjective analysis (I said that thing...oh now I'm in trouble but
  78. it's unfair). The object (Musk) is in many ways a stand-in for Joe's
  79. reflective process, in which Joe can safely detach and talk things out
  80. while in an objective presence and with objective (yep...yeah...and
  81. the thing is...) feedback from Musk. After this clip I'd guess there
  82. was more of a flip back to the object, in order to recover energy.
  84. --Marc Carson,
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