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- # 2018-09-18
- Joe Rogan Clip: His Conversation Energy & Flow
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83j0-HI0QXY
- With Elon Musk, on His Twitter Usage.
- - [Deleting social media from your phone? 10%...] --Referential:
- Outside research (Te--very good for Joe, less conscious emphasis but
- this sort of thing really helps him out in discussions and in
- decisionmaking-valuing processes)
- - To Musk: [What's interesting about you...you actually engage with
- people on Twitter]
- - "What percentage of that is a good idea?" (Laughs)
- -- Measurement / grounding. Subject is bringing an observational
- comment around to a measured judgment point (Te) in a blunt
- way that still leaves an unspoken conclusion ("some of that IS a bad
- idea"). This allows him to serve the Fe process of being just
- gentle enough to seem playful and attached to the conversation
- in a friendly way.
- - The weird feeling you get when someone says something sh*tty to you
- on Twitter
- - Bringing in the extraversion toward sensory characteristics (Se)
- and one's own mental model (Ti), covering up / mocking hurt feelings (Fi)
- - "This weird little negative jolt."
- - "It's like a subjective, negative jolt of energy."
- - Here we see a reach for a multiple-label-description, as opposed to
- "hey doesn't that make you feel like crap".
- - "That you don't really need to absorb but you do anyway."
- - This is one's own feelings--Fi. Rogan takes a playful voice
- here to mock the feeling ("well f*ck this guy"), which
- echoes the way blind-spot functions are held up for ridicule
- by the subjective psyche.
- - "If you try to be a little scientist while you ingest it"
- - Trying to replace Fi with Ti. Won't work--no substitute is
- acceptable. Joe cannot continue down this line; Fi just _is_.
- - "You had that thought!" "I'm better than you, I never had that thought!"
- - Joe's troubled feelings around his tendency to immediately approach
- the (bad/good/whatever) object are on display. Extraversion's
- liability must be covered.
- - The extravert's dilemma: You reached for the donut first. Does that
- make you bad?
- - You had the bad thought first, or you _said_ it, _expressed it_.
- Does that make you bad? Or is someone out to catch you up?
- - If so, I (extravert) am a bad person?
- - So this line of thinking _must_ be met with conclusion:
- - "It's cheating...you'd never be so mean to someone if you
- were looking in their eyes..."
- - However this circles around "fairness," which to JR ought to
- be a subject fraught with trouble.
- - Discomfort with internet impresence vs. presence, a recurring
- theme with the objective world vs. the subjective virtual world.
- - To settle your own feelings, then, you would push yourself to
- seek people out in real life, challenge them, talk about them,
- confront them.
- - Completely understandable! This is where Joe's gifts are:
- Complete frontal assault on target object, be there first and fast.
- - Final "unless you were a sociopath, you'd feel like sh*t" comment.
- - This is really telling, as there are actually people out there who would
- do exactly this (tell someone to their face they're a bad person for
- that thing they said even if they might have since changed their mind)
- and they're cruising around in Rogan's blind spot.
- - Are they sociopaths, though, just for saying something like that?
- - Quick answer: No--this shows us the subjective nature of these
- labels. What Rogan is really defending here is "right words" which
- is a famously brittle and even ineffective practice in given
- circumstances. His defense of "right words" (Fe) is right on and
- great by itself, though not to the extent that it leaves his weak spot unguarded.
- Calling the person who could haunt you a "sociopath" is immediately
- gratifying and helpful on a soothing level. But recognizing the role
- of the same voice in one's own psyche, etc. are known to be intervention-
- level practices that change lives for the better.
- The conversation is characterized by a jump from object (Musk, Twitter)
- to subjective feeling analysis (people saying mean things) to further
- subjective analysis (I said that thing...oh now I'm in trouble but
- it's unfair). The object (Musk) is in many ways a stand-in for Joe's
- reflective process, in which Joe can safely detach and talk things out
- while in an objective presence and with objective (yep...yeah...and
- the thing is...) feedback from Musk. After this clip I'd guess there
- was more of a flip back to the object, in order to recover energy.
- --Marc Carson, www.marccarsoncoaching.com
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