Sentinel Midweek 12/26

[11:39] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon buzzes the door.*

[11:39] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *sits at her desk and works on her research* Enter

[11:41] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon walks into, stopping short as he sees Therese.* Umm...hello Lieutenant.

[11:41] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Hey! Had a plesant christmas?

[11:43] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.* I have so far. *He looks around the room.* Have you?

[11:44] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I did not exactly celebrate it in the bigger sense of the word, But a lot of spare time is lovely!

[11:45] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: It's fun to celebrate ya know.

[11:45] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Only if you celebrate it with someone. I finally wrote that letter to my mother

[11:47] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon frowns.* You are welcome to come over and celebrate with Alice and I.

[11:48] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: How did the letter go?

[11:48] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: She has not replied yet. Maybe she is very far away

[11:49] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Oh.

[11:49] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Yeah, you probably just need to give it a bit of time. *He smiles.*

[11:50] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Here is where I resist making jokes about "Giving" Time? *she smiles playfully*

[11:50] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon holds his head with his hands.* As long as we don't have to discuss temporal mechanics...

[11:50] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Oh... Come in! Want something to drink?

[11:51] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Uh sure.

[11:51] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Really? And here I Invited you becourse I needed someone to discuss my latest project...

[11:51] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Xylvarenn, I'm a pilot, not a scientist. *He grins as he takes a seat.*

[11:52] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I am both, why can't you be both? *she giggles joking and walks to the replicator* What would you like?

[11:53] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Tea will be fine.

[11:53] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Milk? shugar?

[11:54] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Ice.

[11:55] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: A large glass of lemon ice tea, a large cup of hot chocolate with marshmellows. *she grabs the two vessels after they been replicated*

[11:55] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *offers the ice tea to jon*

[11:56] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon glady accepts and takes a sip.*

[11:57] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: How is the reading going?

[11:58] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Good. I completed the Art of War.

[11:58] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: What do you think of it?

[12:00] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: It was interesting...much of it seems more applicable to wartime.

[12:00] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Yes, but not all. FIRO will be much more about peace time and crisis time.

[12:02] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods and takes a sip of the tea.* So you called me here to review my homework? *He softly chuckles.*

[12:02] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: No, not continue your training. Unless you mind horribly

[12:04] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon shakes his head.* The book was an interesting read. What did you call me for?

[12:05] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Sun Tzu said: If you know your enemy and know yourself, You need not fear the result of a thousend battles, If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gain you could also suffered a >

[12:05] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > Defeat. If you know nither yourself nor your enemy, At every battle fought you stoand infront of defeat. Recognize this?

[12:06] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.*

[12:06] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: What do you make of it? *she sips her drink*

[12:06] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: It's important to understand your own strengths and shortcomings as much as it is the enemies'.

[12:07] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *Nods* And that is todays topic, You.

[12:08] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Before we dig in to this.. you need to make a choise however

[12:09] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: What is the choice?

[12:10] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I can do this as your friend, or as your Mentor. As your friend it is probably more plesant, As your mentor I will say things that you do not want to hear, things that will even hurt you possibly... >

[12:10] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > But you will gain a lot more out of it.

[12:10] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon shakes his head.* If you are not completely honest with me than this is a waste of time. Mentor.

[12:11] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Good, Then I want you to know that regardless of the mean things I may say. I care deeply for you and I never mean to harm you, only help you. *she takes a sip and observes Jon*

[12:12] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.*

[12:12] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: As a leader, how do you want to be seen? How do you wnat people to talk about "Captain Cameron"

[12:13] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon smiles at that phrase.* A strong and decisive leader who is willing to listen to any officer who has an idea and implement it when appropriate.

[12:14] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Go on

[12:15] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Ummm...also someone who is approachable. No officer should ever be hesistent or fearful to walk into the ready room.

[12:15] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: What is a strong leader?

[12:17] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Someone who others look up to in times of crisis.

[12:18] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Is that really stong? I would call that dependeble, inspiering even... but not strong?

[12:18] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: You have to be strong for those who are not strong in those moments.

[12:19] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Still, what is strong?

[12:20] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Someone who has clear and tangible goals and objectives.

[12:20] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: That is decisive, you allready said that, But what is strong?

[12:22] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Ummmm...someone with convinction and belief in themselves and in those they are leading.

[12:22] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Is it?

[12:22] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon slowly nods.*

[12:23] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Really? *Arches an eyebrow as she looks at jon*

[12:23] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon shrugs.* I don't really know what you're looking for.

[12:25] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I am testing you, There is no right answer, only wrong ones. "Strong" is a bit of a trap as its so open to interpritations and its so vauge. For Izren, it was to never be seen in dubt,>

[12:26] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > Always inspire confidense in his crew. always be tependeble. But also have the strength to know when to back down, to have personal integrity.

[12:26] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Among other, the fact of the matter is that strong is a bad word, its to abstract. something we all know to strive fro, but not really know what it is... abit like the meaning of life for humans.

[12:27] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I know it when I see it. *He smiles.*

[12:28] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: That attitude works for a pilot, As a commander you need to see it in your mind far before your eyes see it.

[12:28] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: You also need to be able to explain what is in your mind to your crew, before they see it.

[12:29] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.*

[12:30] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Pride, is among the greatest weakness you can have. Some of it is good, but from my personal experiences I find that it is one of the greater weaknesses that is common among starfleet senior officers

[12:31] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I take pride in some of my past feats as a pilot during the war...that's about it.

[12:32] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I am sure you think so, and you mean nothing bad, but you can be pridefull at times Jon.

[12:33] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon frowns.*

[12:33] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Outside of that I try not to be prideful.

[12:33] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Good, Now that you know it still bleeds trough, you know you need to work even harder. *she smiles*

[12:34] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Want to know what I personaly think is "Strong?"

[12:34] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Sure.

[12:35] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: To keep on going despite the odds, to continue where others give up. To make otehrs continue where they would give up, but also to have the insight to know when im wrong, when to quit, to not let my>

[12:35] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > pride keep me going becourse of it alone.

[12:36] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Before you comment on it, It is what I think, not neccesary what I do, I am a flawed being just as you *she giggles*

[12:37] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: We all are. *He smiles.*(

[12:37] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: You said you want people to know you are always approacheble? What is aproacheble to you? Is it free replicator? is it 10 minutes guaranteed time? what is it?

[12:39] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: It more about attitude and approach and less about time.

[12:39] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *it's

[12:39] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Oh? Go on...

[12:40] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: The officers have to feel like they can be honest with me, even brutally honest, and that I will listen before reacting to what they say.

[12:41] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Anything else?

[12:43] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I want them to view me as someone interested in their well being and advancement within Starfleet, as well as their leader.

[12:43] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: What is a leader? Compared to a "Boss"

[12:45] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Well...a boss is eomeone who you report to and you follow their orders because they are above you.

[12:46] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: A leader is someone you follow, you respect, and you obey because you trust them, you believe in their ability to lead you.

[12:46] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Mhmm? And how do you become a leader, rather then a CO?

[12:48] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: You have to build that trust and those relationships with the crew.

[12:48] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: How do you gain respect? *she asks curiously and takes another sip*

[12:50] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: By being a strong leader. *Jon softly chuckles.* You have to demonstrate that you are able to fulfill the job first.

[12:51] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: No, that is how you gain trust, Respect is achived by giving it, and as the senior officer, you are in the best position to start that. they have to respect your rank, for you it is free to show them>

[12:52] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > respect. but if you do, then a  true respect can grow.

[12:52] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.*

[12:53] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: So... -how- do you show someone elow you respect?

[12:54] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: How do I show someone that I respect them?

[12:55] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *nods* Someone you are in command of

[12:55] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Professional respect, not friends respect

[12:55] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Of course. Although a level of friendship helps.

[12:56] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: It does, but as a CO often you need to estabelish it professionaly before personal

[12:56] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.* The first thing I would do is make sure they know their role on the ship is valuable.

[12:57] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *giggles at that*  Go on

[12:58] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Another important way to show respect is to let them do their jobs, and actively listen to the feedback their provide after completing an assignment you've given them.

[12:58] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *nods* Something more?

[12:59] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: More often than not your officers will come from a variety of backgrounds and cultures...

[1:00] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *nods*

[1:00] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Taking time to study them and honor them when appropriate would also be a good step.

[1:00] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Name three cultures you would think is the hardest to deal with? Be honerst, there is nothing racist in answer this question.

[1:01] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: The cultures you are likely to encounter in starfleet... that is *she smiles*

[1:01] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Hmmmm.

[1:01] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Erm...

[1:02] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Klingon perhaps...I am not much for gagh...or bloodwine...

[1:02] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: What you eat does not matter, it is cultural shocks that is interesting

[1:04] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods, scratching his chin.*

[1:05] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *sips her drink while looking at jon*

[1:05] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: The Ferengi can have...interesting viewpoints.

[1:05] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *nods*

[1:07] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Tellarites...the reputation for enjoying a good argument is well earned. *Jon laughs.*

[1:07] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Their

[1:07] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *giggles* Very good

[1:07] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: So, What are your greatest weaknesses? one at the time?

[1:09] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Ummm...

[1:09] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon looks over at her briefly and shakes his head before continuing.* My tendency to act...impulsively.

[1:09] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Yes *she nods* Go on?

[1:10] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: The fact that I often wear my emotions "on my sleeve".

[1:11] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Explain?

[1:12] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I display my emotional reactions fairly easily and can be...baited into things.

[1:13] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: That you can. Go on?

[1:13] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I sometimes allow my emotions to cloud my judgment.

[1:14] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Yes. How will you change that?

[1:14] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I have been actively working to do so.

[1:14] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: How?

[1:15] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: By focusing more on my tasks and duties. The resolution of Alice's issues...will make things much easier.

[1:16] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Yes, do you think that in a hypotetical situation  at present timestage... you would be able to make a decision porooperly. based on what is right to do in the big picture. rather then what is right>

[1:16] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > For your emotions and your values?

[1:16] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Yes.

[1:17] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I have to say I stand sceptical to that. Please try to convince me I am wrong?

[1:18] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I have made mistakes in the past. Horrible mistakes that have nearly caused the deaths of others.

[1:18] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I feel that...looking back on the Chorus incident for example...it was a very personally trying time for me.

[1:19] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Indeed, yet you follow your heart, your emotions and your personal views, even when they conflict with starfleets guidelines and praxis?

[1:19] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: However, I was able to keep my focus on the ultimate goal and attempt to work towards that end.

[1:19] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon looks over at her and sighs.* I'm afraid the Salvation mess has colored my outlook on "Starfleet guidelines".

[1:20] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: As a person I understand you more then you think jon. As a person teaching you about what it means to be a starfleet captain I have to say "That does not make it right"

[1:21] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: No it doesn't. Nor does the entire existence of Salvation...yet it was allowed to exist under these "guidelines".

[1:22] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I thought you shut down Salvation becourse it was in violation of it?

[1:22] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.* But it was allowed to exist for a long time.

[1:22] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Untill they realized exactly how wrong it was?

[1:22] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Before I encountered Salvation...I didn't really think much about Starfleet. I was an officer, what we were doing was for the good of the Federation and the galaxy..

[1:23] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: "Yes sir, No m'am" and so on.

[1:23] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: When my eyes were opened...it's difficult for me to simply take everything at face value after that.

[1:24] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Jon... The day you become the captain of a ship, you will be given some information that will tear up your dreams, special codes, special information that you pray never, ever need to be used or >

[1:25] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > heared. But even then, you will obay starfleet rules and regulations. Becourse it is our duty, if we start breaking them becourse in -our- eyes it is for the better. Then we are just anothe>

[1:26] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > project salvation. And we can never become that.

[1:26] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon shakes his head.* I'm not suggesting you go breaking regulations when youi feel like it...but if something were to be brought to my attention that violates our principles...I wouldn't hestitate.

[1:27] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: My career be damned.

[1:27] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I know what you mean exactly, I had that moment just a week ago, im sure you remember. It was -wrong- of me to do, and I will never try to hide that. but it was justifieble to me.

[1:28] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.*

[1:28] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: You can add stubborness to the list. *He smiles.*

[1:28] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: But when does it become acceptible to disobay orders?

[1:29] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: At what rank can you begin to think that listening to a very firm order of your supperiors is up to you to interpritate?

[1:30] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: An order should be obeyed unless you think it violates the princples you swore to protect. I don't care what rank you are.

[1:30] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: So then you are saying I was right when I say I was wrong?

[1:31] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon tilts his head* Huh?

[1:31] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: When I keept pestering our captain, disobaying that she made a clear judgement?

[1:32] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: If you believe the captain is ordering you to violate a principle, then yes. I don't really think any of us completely understood what was going on.

[1:34] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: She was ordering you to violate the temporal prime directive, that is not just any principle, or small nonsense order or guideline, its on the top 5 list of orders you do not violate. Still... What I>

[1:34] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > I did was not right.

[1:35] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.*

[1:35] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: But you still claim it was right?

[1:35] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon scratches his head.*

[1:36] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I don't understand how I am claiming anything other than what I would do.

[1:36] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: So then you are saying that not following the guidelines is always wrong?

[1:38] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Uhhhh...no? Intent matters too. The captain's intent was protect the crew from this...temporal war we seem to be constantly entangled in.

[1:39] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: So breaking the rules is sometimes right?

[1:40] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Well yes...but breaking rules is not the same thing as willfully violating a principle.

[1:41] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Is it not? Is the orders of starfleet and the federation not a principle we are sword to uphold?

[1:41] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon shakes his head.* Our principles aren't orders...they are the advancement and protection of our member species...the exploration of the galaxy...

[1:42] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Is the prime directive an order or a principle?

[1:42] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I would call it a principle.

[1:42] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: One of many.

[1:43] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: What about the regulations to show respect to supperiors?

[1:43] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: You should do so, even in the case when you would be forced to disobey. However, such a case should be an extreme case.

[1:44] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: With hard evidence and reasoning.

[1:44] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: So should project salvation, Temporal war encounters and many more things. Yet things are not always what they should, and as a captain, or even a senior offiser, you need to know your own stance on >

[1:44] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > This *she smiles and takes a sip*

[1:45] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: My stance is simple. My objectives are to protect the Federation, its values and principles, and my crew and ship.

[1:45] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: In that order.

[1:45] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon sips his drink.*

[1:46] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: That was very arrogant jon.

[1:46] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon furrows his brow.* How so?

[1:47] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: You just said the thing that makes project salvations and other closent monster exist... I feel disapointed in you. I think you did not think trough that sentence.

[1:47] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon shakes his head.* What?

[1:48] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: You said Protecting the existance of the federation takes superiority over protecting her values and principles. That means that to save the federation, you are willign to violate what she stands for>

[1:48] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > Just like all those rouge operations.

[1:50] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon shakes his head.* It was a bit oversimplified...those are my priorities. However...there are limits on how far I would go to ensure the survival of the Federation,.

[1:50] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Then you should not said "My stance is simple" as it obviously is not?

[1:51] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.* Maybe not.

[1:52] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Was it not very arrogant to think something this complicated and gray could be "Simple"?

[1:53] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Maybe...I think it's that stubbornness.

[1:53] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Yes, and pride, and perhaps your greatest flaw...

[1:56] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon looks over at her, waiting for her to identify his greatest flaw.*

[1:57] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: You to often think you have all teh answers, or think you can fix everything... make a change, You can be overconfident in yourself, while it is... admiereble to see how much you care, how much you >

[1:58] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > -want- to make the word a better place, your own belives in your own ability to do miracles will be a problem. you need to learn when you can not do something. We spoken about this before. that you>

[1:58] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > have to know when to ask for help and know when you are just one man. That is really, really important.

[1:58] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.* There have been times in the past when I felt it was me or nothing.

[1:58] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I guess I sorta adopted that mentality for a time.

[1:59] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Yes, That has to go away Jon.

[1:59] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.*

[1:59] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: You are a talanted young man, with many great achivements. But you are not omnipotent.

[2:00] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I am not.

[2:00] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Remember that, even when your entire being screams in deseration for you to just do something, Anything.

[2:02] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: It is my instinct to act.

[2:03] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Yes, It is in us all. But I hope your udnerstand you need to change your instinct to act to a habbit of thinking, seeking advice if needed, then act and thus act correct

[2:03] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods and finishes his tea.*

[2:04] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Now to end on a bit lighter note, we are not done with this by far... What are your greatest merits or strength as a person?

[2:05] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Ummm...shouldn't you take the lead here? *He chuckles.*

[2:05] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: No, It is about you knowing yourself. You know some of your flaws and weaknesses, other I have told you about. now it is time to see if you know your strengths

[2:05] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I can shower you in compliments after *she smiles playfully*

[2:06] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon laughs.* I do not like talking about this aspect...but okay. I feel that I have a...great deal of personal conviction in my beliefs.

[2:07] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: You do, both a merit and a flaw.

[2:08] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I feel that I am generally a friendly person...I try to be easy to get along with.

[2:08] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I would agree *she nods*

[2:09] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I also try to be supportive of people I care about and am close to. That has gotten me into trouble a few times...

[2:09] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *giggles* I agree on both accounts

[2:10] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: You haven't lived till you've had cheesecake thrown in your face.

[2:11] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Oh? I am glad im only about 200 then, Would not wish to miss out on life *she smiles*

[2:11] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon laughs.*(

[2:11] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I think that's about as much as I'm comfortable inflating my own ego...

[2:12] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: One more

[2:12] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Ummm...I can be very determined when a task is set in front of me.

[2:12] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Persistent.

[2:13] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: A flaw and a merit for sure *she smiles and finishes her drink*

[2:14] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: As promised, I would help inflate your ego a bit. I think you, regardless of what you do, where you are right or wrong, stupid or smart, your intentions are always pure and "Good"

[2:16] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.*

[2:18] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Or course you can be very naive as such, But I rather have a person who is naive and means well, then a cynic person who stops beliving in the federation. You are a good man Jon. >

[2:18] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: > regardless of what I have said now, you are a good man *she smiles friendly*

[2:18] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon smiles.* Thank you Xylvarenn.

[2:18] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Do you have any questions of what we spoken about?

[2:19] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Or any questions at all really

[2:19] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: I do make an effort...to be the best officer...fiance...and person I can be.

[2:19] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Just don't forget to be yourself.

[2:20] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods and then shakes his head.* I don't really have any questions at the moment...it's a lot to take in at once.

[2:20] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Yes. That is why we will end the mentoring for today. Want something else to drink?

[2:21] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: No thank you...I should probably get back before a certain someone realizes I am awake and about.

[2:23] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *Smiles* In that case. I have something for you. Wait here

[2:23] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods and leans back on the couch.*

[2:26] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: *returns with two wraped gifts* Here

[2:26] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Oh! You did not have to do this. *He smiles, pleasantly surprised.*

[2:26] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I know

[2:27] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: One is for you, the other is for Walker.

[2:28] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: *Jon nods.* Thank you...would you accept an invitation to eat with us and watch us open them? *He smiles.*

[2:29] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: If you want to, but do not feel forced to do that.

[2:29] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: It is settled then. *He chuckles.* I will ring you when...in the meantime I have two new presents to the deliver to our tree. *He stands up.* Hohoho...

[2:30] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: I still do not understand the scary guy in white beard *she smiles*

[2:30] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: He's not scary! *He grabs both presents and heads towards the exit. He stops at the door.*...thank you, Xylvarenn.

[2:31] [DOIC1] Therese Xylvarenn@Illuice: Happy holidays Jon

[2:31] [DOIC1] Jonathan Cameron@ClingingMars: Merry Christmas. *He nods and exits.*