[18:30:55] <Nef> lmfao
[18:30:59] <Nef> snap seriously just made me quit
[18:31:00] <Nef> thats legit
[18:31:12] <Triggz[cA]> what happened bro
[18:31:21] <Cyndrin> classic Snap
[18:31:29] <Triggz[cA]> dont tell me you got house looted..
[18:31:29] <bartimus> what happened?
[18:31:33] <Nef> some how got into a locked tower through locked doors
[18:31:35] <Nef> and looted everything
[18:31:57] <Nef> and i mean fucking everything
[18:32:01] <Nef> even secured chests have 0 stones
[18:32:05] <Nef> someone explain that
[18:32:05] <Cyndrin> I hear they will let you buy it back at a discount if your nice
[18:32:09] <Triggz[cA]> wait the hell..
[18:32:25] <Cyndrin> check your co-owner list
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[18:33:17] <DoctorSatan> someone is friended or coowned it sounds
[18:33:17] <AlexCCCP> Oh sucks, I feel you man, been there :-(
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[18:34:07] <Nef> i seriously bought the tower like 5 days ago
[18:34:12] <Nef> moved everyting last night
[18:34:15] <Nef> and its looted within 8 hours?
[18:34:42] <AlexCCCP> Did you have some shady friends/co-owners on the list?
[18:34:48] <Nef> lock the doors like clock work, and i detect every single time i come in
[18:34:52] <AlexCCCP> theres no other way to loot secures
[18:35:03] <AlexCCCP> Either that or someone logged in your account
[18:35:11] <[TnT]knighthawk> did u have a security wall inside door?
[18:35:19] <Nef> not yet....
[18:35:33] <AlexCCCP> You must have a friend/co-owner
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[18:36:15] <Cyndrin> did some one help you move?
[18:36:46] <Nef> nope did it solo
[18:36:58] <Nef> it doesnt make sense at all, i havent gone into the back room at all
[18:37:03] <Nef> and some how she got into a locked door
[18:37:09] <[TnT]knighthawk> check ur friends list
[18:37:09] <AlexCCCP> Have you checked the friggin friend/co-owner list or what
[18:37:14] <Nef> yep
[18:37:14] <Cyndrin> ^
[18:37:18] <Nef> no one but my accounts
[18:37:18] <DoctorSatan> if the tower was public they could of logged out inside, did it have a vendor in it when transfered?
[18:37:20] <Nef> my characters
[18:37:27] <Nef> no vendor
[18:37:37] <AlexCCCP> Yeah is it public house?
[18:37:39] <Triggz[cA]> maybe you forgot to actually secure the containers?
[18:37:41] <Nef> this shit happened from going to bed after moving everything to this morning
[18:37:43] <AlexCCCP> doesnt need vendors to be public
[18:38:26] <@Avery> if it was public when they transferred it, it won't stay public
[18:38:31] <@Avery> it will return to private
[18:38:37] <AlexCCCP> hmm
[18:38:47] <@Avery> and give him keys
[18:38:55] <@Avery> did you lose your keys?
[18:39:03] <Cyndrin> theif the keys
[18:39:05] <Cyndrin> possibly
[18:39:06] <AlexCCCP> Also when you make a secure maybe you set it to be accessible to all
[18:39:07] <Nef> they were locked down on the doorstep
[18:39:27] <AlexCCCP> is that possible? or is it only friends/co-owner/owner
[18:39:32] <Nef> doesnt matter, it was enough items to say fuck this place
[18:39:34] <@Avery> yeah, different levels of security
[18:39:39] <Nef> lmfao i just brought 3 people here also haha
[18:39:39] <AlexCCCP> Nah nef
[18:39:47] <AlexCCCP> i got rinsed for like 4m in shit in november
[18:39:49] <AlexCCCP> I came back....
[18:39:52] <Nef> nah im seriously 30 days of items gathered were in lock downs
[18:39:56] <@Avery> we've all been through it nef
[18:40:01] <Triggz[cA]> bro listen poo poo is going to happen man most of the pixels dont matter its all about the fun at the end
[18:40:21] <@Avery> I got looted for upwards of 13 mil
[18:40:33] <Triggz[cA]> unless you lost like 50 perfect vanq slayers its nothing to worry about
[18:40:39] <Triggz[cA]> regs and kegs can be replaced etc
[18:40:42] <Nef> Being looted when you're a vet is meh whatever
[18:40:43] <Nef> im established
[18:40:49] <Nef> i dont have a single fucking item in a bank
[18:40:51] <Nef> not one
[18:40:59] <Nef> because of this stupid 3 account 15 character bullshit
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[18:41:17] <AlexCCCP> yup....
[18:41:20] <@Avery> k
[18:41:26] <Triggz[cA]> ye gotta keep ur valuables in your bank
[18:41:31] <Triggz[cA]> or locked down in general
[18:41:32] <Cyndrin> classic cA rage quit
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[18:41:43] <Triggz[cA]> whatever we all gotta learn somehow right
[18:41:46] <Cyndrin> or have better securoty then locked doors...
[18:41:48] <@Avery> 13 mil is meh whatever, 50k worth of crap is ZOMG
[18:41:57] <AlexCCCP> SOmething missing, saying secures got looted but no one the friend list
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[18:42:07] <Triggz[cA]> i realized the other day besides my regs everything in my house is garbage
[18:42:09] <@Avery> I don't think they were secured
[18:42:13] <AlexCCCP> Only two options, friend/co-owner ot account haxxored
[18:42:14] <@Avery> he said locked down
[18:42:21] <AlexCCCP> He said secure as well
[18:42:25] <Triggz[cA]> people often dont like to admit their own mistakes human nature
[18:42:28] <Cyndrin> yeah cA doesnt hack accounts so it happend legit
[18:42:29] <Triggz[cA]> blame external sources
[18:42:41] <@Avery> <Nef> nah im seriously 30 days of items gathered were in lock downs
[18:42:44] <AlexCCCP> lol ca doesnt hack accounts
[18:42:45] <AlexCCCP> [12:31:17] <Nef> even secured chests have 0 stone
[18:42:51] <AlexCCCP> ca pretends to be semi legit
[18:42:54] <AlexCCCP> its horseshit
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[18:43:09] <Cyndrin> I would eat my mask if they hacked accounts
[18:43:11] <AlexCCCP> Also theres thieves other than ca
[18:43:12] <Cyndrin> so easy to find oit
[18:43:14] <Triggz[cA]> well iv played the game long enough to know that hacking an account is only possible if a gm tips you off
[18:43:16] <Cyndrin> IP address log
[18:43:20] <AlexCCCP> lol
[18:43:20] <Triggz[cA]> or you use a bruteforcer
[18:43:22] <Cyndrin> like they are not stupid
[18:43:22] <Triggz[cA]> which takes forever
[18:43:28] <AlexCCCP> go to starbucks or use a VPN
[18:43:30] <AlexCCCP> track that IP
[18:43:31] <AlexCCCP> lols
[18:43:32] <Cyndrin> they are clever with the bounds of play
[18:43:41] <AlexCCCP> Bull
[18:43:49] <Cyndrin> yes exactly
[18:43:50] <Cyndrin> bulls
[18:43:56] <Cyndrin> from jhelom
[18:44:04] <AlexCCCP> hacking accts can be easyish
[18:44:08] <AlexCCCP> people use bad passwords
[18:44:18] <AlexCCCP> alotta people use passwords similar to their username/forum name/irc name
[18:44:21] <AlexCCCP> char name
[18:44:24] <Triggz[cA]> how do you figure they guessed tha account name aswell
[18:44:24] <Cyndrin> agreed, jusy saying doubt highly he was haxxored
[18:44:28] <Cyndrin> how did he know it was Snap?
[18:44:28] <Triggz[cA]> the*
[18:44:34] <Triggz[cA]> probably left a book
[18:44:36] <Majinko> Nef I'm selling bulk cloth
[18:44:37] <AlexCCCP> he's assuming I guess or a book
[18:44:38] <Cyndrin> cause she probably left a book
[18:44:40] <@Avery> maybe he just assumed?
[18:44:49] <@Avery> nef quit Majinko
[18:44:51] <Cyndrin> why would you hack some one then leave a book lol
[18:44:51] <Triggz[cA]> nah cA leaves books everywhere lol
[18:44:55] <AlexCCCP> Well that sucks
[18:45:02] <AlexCCCP> Yeah thats odd
[18:45:07] <AlexCCCP> unless its a frame job lol
[18:45:10] <Cyndrin> lol
[18:45:25] <Hoominaga> If they were legit secure, they weren't looted. That's all there is to say about that.
[18:45:26] <Majinko> Dangit, just catching up
[18:45:33] <Triggz[cA]> dude the guy made an error and wont man up and admit it
[18:45:37] <Majinko> cuz he got hacked Avery? Or rather his stuff stolen?
[18:45:39] <DoctorSatan> very well may not of understood lockdown isn't secure here
[18:45:40] <@Avery> yeah, nothing magical happened here
[18:45:43] <Hoominaga> No one got hacked...
[18:45:45] <AlexCCCP> Yeah
[18:45:47] <@Avery> he made a mistake, got looted
[18:45:52] <Triggz[cA]> my friend got house looted and did not admit he forgot to detect hidden
[18:45:52] <~Telamon> Lets not attack the player,  sometimes UO can be frustrating
[18:45:53] <@Avery> just like the rest of us
[18:45:53] <Cyndrin> triggs knows whats up
[18:46:00] <AlexCCCP> Obv odds are that he messed up
[18:46:02] <SteelyDan> If you were going to hack someone you would go after someone like bart or alex. He wasn't hacked
[18:46:03] <Majinko> Lol. Lockdown vs secure is a tradeoff
[18:46:09] <Cyndrin> being a vet, getting looted hard, huge ego bust
[18:46:14] <Triggz[cA]> its like when 2 people have a car accident neither one truly comes out and says my bad or take responsibility
[18:46:16] <Majinko> Lockdown- unlimited resources.
[18:46:17] <Invoker> Triggz[cA] house looted me
[18:46:22] <Majinko> Secure- limited stones/items bu tno thefts
[18:46:23] <Cyndrin> if he got hacked why not delete his characters
[18:46:25] <AlexCCCP> woah woah dan
[18:46:27] <Hoominaga> I saw that Invoker
[18:46:28] <AlexCCCP> leave me out of it
[18:46:36] <Hoominaga> AlexCCP you brought yourself into that
[18:46:39] <Majinko> Triggz[cA] you're never supposed to admit fault. Ever.
[18:46:44] <Majinko> In a car accident ^
[18:46:48] <Invoker> Hoominaga he took all my chests
[18:47:00] <Majinko> The law isn't on your side if you weren't at fault but you said you were.
[18:47:07] <Triggz[cA]> majinko in general people dont take responbility for their own faults..
[18:47:12] <Triggz[cA]> that was my point
[18:47:13] <AlexCCCP> True
[18:47:14] <~Telamon> Shaming players who have a bad experience playing UO, is never permitted in this channel,  keep that in mind
[18:47:15] <Majinko> No argument there ^
[18:47:24] <AlexCCCP> No ones shaming anyone
[18:47:34] <Majinko> Nope, just pointing out what happened it looks like
[18:47:35] <Hoominaga> Trying to say someone hacked into an account sounds rather shameful.
[18:47:35] <Triggz[cA]> i knew nef helped him start i would have glady gave him some gold to help him out
[18:47:48] <Majinko> Dangit, who am I gonna sell my cloth to!
[18:47:48] <AlexCCCP> i was just outlining possibilities man
[18:47:53] <Majinko> !seen nef
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[18:48:03] <AlexCCCP> i also did not suggest a specific person did it
[18:48:11] <AlexCCCP> So dont go around slandering me
[18:48:20] <@Avery> it could have been any number of people
[18:48:20] <Hoominaga> Ah yes, just that cA uses non-legitimate tactics
[18:48:27] <Majinko> I think Telamon was just stating that before it turns that way.
[18:48:28] <AlexCCCP> ca isnt a single person
[18:48:37] <AlexCCCP> its a decentralized group with members on multiple shards
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[18:48:50] <Triggz[cA]> speaking of cA
[18:48:51] <Triggz[cA]> lol
[18:48:54] <Majinko> Anywho, time to restore my iphone for the millionth time. None of my Apples are working for me
[18:49:06] <@Avery> time for a new phone!
[18:49:17] <Majinko> Freaking firmware locked my macbook trying to find my iphone (that I left on the train) and ended up goiong to the apple store
[18:49:22] <@Avery> I got a 7 and I'm not impressed
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