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[26-Feb-20 01:58 PM] brewfasa#4532
@levi solid post

[26-Feb-20 01:58 PM] brewfasa#4532
only thing I would say is you don’t mention to best way to handle veils

[26-Feb-20 01:58 PM] brewfasa#4532
being offensive pressure of your own

[26-Feb-20 01:58 PM] brewfasa#4532
coz yeah obviously if ur strictly trying to wall it

[26-Feb-20 01:59 PM] brewfasa#4532
ur getting steamrolled

[26-Feb-20 01:59 PM] brewfasa#4532
er not webs

[26-Feb-20 02:21 PM] levi#6206
yeah i guess a third option would just be not getting into play things that pix can set up on

[26-Feb-20 02:21 PM] levi#6206
but i left that out since that's super constraining on its own w how fast pix is

[26-Feb-20 02:29 PM] levi#6206
please like my post btw @brewfasa

[26-Feb-20 02:30 PM] brewfasa#4532
o ya

[26-Feb-20 02:30 PM] brewfasa#4532
I’m a bad liker

[26-Feb-20 02:30 PM] brewfasa#4532
wait no idt it’s broken yet not gonna feed into your propaganda

[26-Feb-20 02:31 PM] levi#6206
😠

[27-Feb-20 09:11 PM] Serene Grace#5243
after veils gets banned we should suspect cutiefly that guys really broken

[27-Feb-20 09:11 PM] BurntZebra#8147
idk i think rufflet could be more broken still

[27-Feb-20 09:12 PM] hongli#4483
i think dig+pinch

[27-Feb-20 09:12 PM] hongli#4483
would be better before

[27-Feb-20 09:12 PM] Serene Grace#5243
oh yea rufflet is the most broken

[27-Feb-20 09:12 PM] Serene Grace#5243
cutiefly is second

[27-Feb-20 09:12 PM] BurntZebra#8147
how much roost qd qt do you think we'll see

[27-Feb-20 09:12 PM] BurntZebra#8147
in spl

[27-Feb-20 09:22 PM] Coconut#8762
let's do veils first

[27-Feb-20 09:22 PM] Coconut#8762
then we can yell at each other as to what's broken

[27-Feb-20 09:22 PM] Coconut#8762
anyone think we shouldn't ban veils btw

[02-Mar-20 10:18 AM] brewfasa#4532
idt veils is that broken ngl

[02-Mar-20 10:18 AM] brewfasa#4532
I’d still probs vote ban due to mu issues

[02-Mar-20 10:18 AM] brewfasa#4532
but like just from laddering and seeing spl n shit

[02-Mar-20 10:19 AM] brewfasa#4532
I think people would just rather not deal with it rather than it being blatantly broken

[02-Mar-20 10:19 AM] brewfasa#4532
I think issues stem a lot from teams simply having a hard time dealing with HO in general

[02-Mar-20 10:22 AM] brewfasa#4532
kinda curious why it’s only been brought once in the past 2 weeks in spl and iirc veils won just through sheer offensive pressure

[02-Mar-20 10:23 AM] Quote#9846
yeah the veil game I remember seeing didn't even use veil to win

[02-Mar-20 10:24 AM] Quote#9846
btw fatty, did you see game 2 of me vs seal? It's actually the funniest shit

[02-Mar-20 10:24 AM] brewfasa#4532
nah I haven’t u have link?

[02-Mar-20 10:25 AM] Quote#9846
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8lc-1069727641-pyck8ljjn1h2wm9eyeu221nfk4ear1tpw

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[Gen 8] LC replay: Quote vs. Juicy Raccoon - Pokémon Showdown
Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Quote and Juicy Raccoon ([Gen 8] LC)

[02-Mar-20 10:25 AM] Quote#9846
just looking at the team preview makes me sick

[02-Mar-20 10:30 AM] brewfasa#4532
yea double veils is gross

[02-Mar-20 10:30 AM] brewfasa#4532
early game was funny

[02-Mar-20 10:31 AM] Quote#9846
the thing with veil for me personally is that it gets boring quickly

[02-Mar-20 10:57 AM] BurntZebra#8147
Veils punishes misplays a lot more than other archetypes

[02-Mar-20 10:58 AM] BurntZebra#8147
If you attack np vull with a physical attack and you don’t have something that can survive a +2 attack, you’re screwed

[02-Mar-20 10:58 AM] BurntZebra#8147
If you let zigzagoon into play vs something that can’t knock off bj, you’re screwed

[02-Mar-20 10:59 AM] BurntZebra#8147
And obviously SPL players are prepping a lot to not lose to veils

[02-Mar-20 10:59 AM] BurntZebra#8147
As seen by the team choices they’re making

[02-Mar-20 11:14 AM] brewfasa#4532
yea but doesn’t that show that there’s ways to prep and it’s not very prevalent at top level play

[02-Mar-20 11:25 AM] brewfasa#4532
again not saying it’s perfectly balanced but I think it’s more easily dealt with than many are making it out to be

[02-Mar-20 11:26 AM] brewfasa#4532
I think importance of getting lead matchups right and aggressiveness early game is more rewarded vs veils

[02-Mar-20 11:29 AM] brewfasa#4532
in a lot of ways screens cutie can be seen as superior even, I think there was some talk of this in main yday

[02-Mar-20 11:30 AM] Quote#9846
yea

[02-Mar-20 11:30 AM] brewfasa#4532
I don’t fully agree but I can potentially see it

[02-Mar-20 11:30 AM] Quote#9846
Pamplona's the main person pushing that idea

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[02-Mar-20 11:31 AM] Quote#9846
I don't really agree

[02-Mar-20 11:31 AM] Quote#9846
but I do agree that cutiefly is the best mon rn

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[02-Mar-20 11:42 AM] BurntZebra#8147
pamplonas team has veils pix on it though, doesnt it

[02-Mar-20 11:42 AM] BurntZebra#8147
its like cutiefly/vulpix/mudbray/vullaby/dwebble/shellder

[02-Mar-20 11:48 AM] brewfasa#4532
yea I’m not sure, is that screens cutie + veils?

[02-Mar-20 11:48 AM] brewfasa#4532
probably overkill but w/e lol

[02-Mar-20 11:55 AM] BurntZebra#8147
actually idk if thats his team

[02-Mar-20 11:55 AM] BurntZebra#8147
i feel like it had a pancham on it too

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[04-Mar-20 05:05 PM] jake#8907
have any of your thoughts changed on vulpix since we started the test

[04-Mar-20 05:07 PM] Quote#9846
nope

[04-Mar-20 05:07 PM] Quote#9846
well

[04-Mar-20 05:07 PM] Quote#9846
some people have a bit I think

[04-Mar-20 05:08 PM] brewfasa#4532
I’m finishing reqs tonight hopefully

[04-Mar-20 05:08 PM] brewfasa#4532
I’m like 23-4

[04-Mar-20 05:08 PM] brewfasa#4532
I was initially more wait and see

[04-Mar-20 05:09 PM] brewfasa#4532
and I thought a lot of veils shit was just overblown

[04-Mar-20 05:09 PM] brewfasa#4532
but I’ve used strictly veils this ladder session

[04-Mar-20 05:09 PM] brewfasa#4532
and there are some super ct matchups I should of lost on theory

[04-Mar-20 05:10 PM] brewfasa#4532
but won by just waiting for the right opportunity to veils

[04-Mar-20 05:10 PM] Quote#9846
ladder's starting to get to a point where veil users aren't as common

[04-Mar-20 05:11 PM] Quote#9846
might have to use it myself

[04-Mar-20 05:11 PM] brewfasa#4532
idt it’s healthy at all if it’s getting the use it is rn

[04-Mar-20 05:11 PM] brewfasa#4532
ye that’s what I’m saying tho I’ve been in plenty of matches that are bb pawn + timb

[04-Mar-20 05:11 PM] Quote#9846
what build are you using?

[04-Mar-20 05:11 PM] brewfasa#4532
where u just have to play differently, but I still eek out the win

[04-Mar-20 05:11 PM] brewfasa#4532
I’m switching between 2

[04-Mar-20 05:11 PM] brewfasa#4532
I’ll paste

[04-Mar-20 05:11 PM] Quote#9846
mmk

[04-Mar-20 05:12 PM] brewfasa#4532
pix / shell / np vulla / rocks pawn has been my base tho

[04-Mar-20 05:13 PM] brewfasa#4532
https://pokepast.es/caca9d3dfde00152

[04-Mar-20 05:13 PM] brewfasa#4532
dril on veils has been the secret mvp

[04-Mar-20 05:13 PM] brewfasa#4532
and scarf pony is super cool for dealing with fuck ups and healing shellder or w/e back up

[04-Mar-20 05:13 PM] hongli#4483
dril is super good on webs

[04-Mar-20 05:13 PM] hongli#4483
err

[04-Mar-20 05:13 PM] hongli#4483
veils

[04-Mar-20 05:14 PM] brewfasa#4532
Yea

[04-Mar-20 05:14 PM] hongli#4483
helps vs the webs mu and

[04-Mar-20 05:14 PM] hongli#4483
is an onix that actually hurts

[04-Mar-20 05:14 PM] brewfasa#4532
o I said webs too fuk

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