#parahumans logs 9/4/16 Winged

[00:50] Winged_Phone    Nae, I'm Indian yeah
[00:50] Nae Where from?
[00:50] Twonk   India
[00:50] Nae <_<
[00:50] Winged_Phone    Born in Bangalore, grew up in Dubai
[00:50] Nae India is...quite big
[00:50] Nae I've been to Bangalore
[00:50] Winged_Phone    Born Tarun Moni
[00:50] Winged_Phone    South Indian Brahmin, Tamil
[00:50] Nae and I *might* get to go to Dubai this month
[00:50] Winged_Phone    Iyer
[00:51] Nae also
[00:51] Nae you're like the third Brahmin I've met online
[00:51] Nae the other two are Bihari Brahmins
[00:51] Nae
[00:51] Nae CASTE SYSTEM PERSISTS
[00:51] Winged_Phone    I suspect the majority of Indian emigrants are Brahmin
[00:51] Nae all Indians online are Brahmins except me
[00:51] Nae D:
[00:51] Winged_Phone    It's part of the caste culture to seek knowledge
[00:51] Vern|GM rip
[00:51] Winged_Phone    So we scatter over international universities
[00:51] Winged_Phone    And often settle
[00:52] Elara   castes are evil
[00:52] Nae kthnx
[00:52] Nae @Elara
[00:52] Nae
[00:52] panth   Thus sprach Zarathustrelara
[00:52] Nae Zarathustra*
[00:52] Nae spach*
[00:53] Nae wait, sprach is correct
[00:53] panth   sprachs at Nae
[00:53] Nae :{
[00:53] Winged_Phone    http://imgur.com/eIF4e7v
[00:54] Winged_Phone    http://imgur.com/U8q7qNP
[00:54] Nae is from New Delhi
[00:54] Winged_Phone    Are you Indian too, Nae?
[00:55] Nae [20:21:31] Nae: all Indians online are Brahmins except me
[00:55] Vern|GM no, Nae is obviously a British citizen.
[00:55] Nae lol
[00:55] Vern|GM Pretending to be Indian.
[00:55] Nae no joke
[00:55] Nae we actually had an Indian dude in the chan once
[00:55] Winged_Phone    Sorry, missed that
[00:55] Nae and we got the Brit to pretend to be an Indian
[00:55] Mishie  I'm pretty sure you were online when we were linking pics Winged_Phone
[00:55] Mishie
[00:55] Nae and I pretended to be a Brit
[00:55] panth   Well, in a way all Indians are ex-British citizens...
[00:55] Nae trolled the fuck out of the poor kid
[00:55] Nae enjoyed that so much
[00:56] Nae Vern|GM, you saw the logs right?
[00:56] Twonk   Panth, if Indians are anything like the Irish you don't wanna go there
[00:56] Nae they're in the epic IRC thread I think
[00:56] Winged_Phone    Mishie: there were a lot of new names to assign to a lot of new faces back then
[00:56] Vern|GM Nope, Nae
[00:56] Mishie  fair
[00:56] Winged_Phone    I was new
[00:56] Nae check the epic IRc thread
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[00:56] Mishie  Well, Nae's was the brown one
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[00:56] Vern|GM Will do
[00:56] Winged_Phone    What's your varna, nae?
[00:56] Nae I have no clue
[00:57] Winged_Phone    I only know Brahmins myself
[00:57] Winged_Phone    Gotcha
[00:57] Twonk   Link to said epic thread?
[00:57] panth   Twonk: the Indians are /much/ less notorious than the Irish re: car bombs though
[00:57] Nae different forum Twonk
[00:57] Mishie  Twonk: not a #parahumans thing
[00:57] Twonk   Ah
[00:57] Nae Winged_Phone: I guess technically I'm a Sikh "Jatt" D:
[00:57] Nae but like
[00:58] Nae no turban, hair etc, and I'm anti-theist
[00:58] Nae <_<
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[00:58] Winged_Phone    Man I remember when the only reason people knew about Tamils were because of the Sri Lankan terrorists
[00:58] Nae LOL
[00:58] Winged_Phone    And people would ask me if I was from Sri Lanka
[00:58] Winged_Phone    Oooh Sikh!
[00:58] Twonk   I'm annoyed Irish terrorism is best known for car bombs. We basically revolutionised guerilla warfare! No recognition /s
[00:58] Winged_Phone    Are you male?
[00:59] Nae Yes
[00:59] Winged_Phone    I totally don't remember the picture
[00:59] Mishie  rip
[00:59] Winged_Phone    Huh, always assumed you were a girl
[00:59] Winged_Phone    Til!
[00:59] Nae Twonk: did you?
[00:59] Nae re: guerilla warfare that is
[00:59] panth   TIL Twonk self-identifies with Irish terrorists...
[00:59] Nae ^
[01:00] Vern|GM Didn't you assume Mishie was a girl as well, Winged_Phone
[01:00] Nae tbh
[01:00] Twonk   I USED /S
[01:00] Nae Mishie has a girly name
[01:00] Vern|GM ikr
[01:00] Winged_Phone    I generally assume names ending in vowels to be girls
[01:00] Shemetz Kyle
[01:00] Nae like Phone
[01:00] Winged_Phone    They flow like girl names
[01:00] Winged_Phone    I mean, the syllable
[01:00] Vern|GM name is Ali.
[01:00] Winged_Phone    Not literally the letter
[01:00] panth   Prince Ali!
[01:00] Nae Did I ever like you the Ya Ali song Vern
[01:00] panth   Fabulous he, Ali Ababwa!
[01:00] Winged_Phone    Hah, Vern are you Arab?
[01:00] Nae link*
[01:01] Shemetz It's because it's very common to end a female name with "a" or "i", wing
[01:01] panth   Winged_Phone: he's Lesbianese
[01:01] Winged_Phone    Lol
[01:01] Shemetz other vowels aren't really that common for that
[01:01] Mega|Wright So, what do you think my gender is, Winged?
[01:01] Nae non-existant
[01:01] Nae checkmates Mega|Wright
[01:01] Mega|Wright Oh, is your name suddenly 'Winged', Nae?
[01:01] panth   No no, clearly the first half of Mega|Wright is female and the second half is male
[01:02] Nae nu
[01:02] Winged_Phone    Male I guess
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[01:02] Vern|GM Winged_Phone: No, I'm German.
[01:02] Quanfinigon Mega is a skeleton
[01:02] Vern|GM
[01:02] Twonk   We did, yeah.
[01:02] Nae keep telling yourself that Vern|GM
[01:02] Nae
[01:02] Twonk   Check "Modern terrorism": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_terrorism
[01:02] Vern|GM I'm trans-German, Nae
[01:03] Quanfinigon way to put us on a watchlist twonk
[01:03] Vern|GM Stop supressing my identity.
[01:03] Nae So a trans person from Germany
[01:03] Nae gotcha
[01:03] Vern|GM :v
[01:03] Winged_Phone    Vern identifies as German?
[01:03] Nae weird right
[01:03] Quanfinigon but wasn't born that way?
[01:04] Winged_Phone    Ethnically or culturally?
[01:04] Nae nop
[01:04] Winged_Phone    It's not that weird
[01:04] Tadpole Transculturalism?
[01:04] Winged_Phone    I'm dating two therians
[01:04] Mishie  iirc Vern was born in Germany to Arab parents
[01:04] Winged_Phone    I think that's just called assimilation
[01:04] Quanfinigon at leasst they aren't thespians
[01:04] Winged_Phone    I'm pretty Canadian these days
[01:04] Twonk   "Therians"?
[01:04] Nae jfc I need to stop commenting on news/magazine articles on facebook
[01:04] Winged_Phone    Twonk: identify as animals
[01:04] Nae random people start sending friend requests
[01:05] Nae and they're never the hot ones
[01:05] Nae
[01:05] Winged_Phone    If Vern says he's German, he's German afaic
[01:05] Twonk   You need to stop using Facebook as anything but a vaguely convenient messaging and event management service
[01:05] Nae lol
[01:05] Nae it used to be like that
[01:05] Nae but I'm more active on fb now
[01:05] Nae only way to keep tabs on people
[01:05] Winged_Phone    Man I always get flattered by all the dudes who add me to flirt with me
[01:06] Winged_Phone    Wish they weren't all brown
[01:06] Mishie  w h o a
[01:06] panth   That's racist
[01:06] Winged_Phone    They're all from, like India
[01:06] panth   Besides, you know, once you go brown you never go... down?
[01:06] Mishie  stares at Vern|GM
[01:06] Nae ...
[01:06] Nae
[01:06] Nae panth pls
[01:06] Winged_Phone    So none are local. None even speak entirely reasonable English
[01:06] Nae that would be terrible
[01:06] Vern|GM WOW
[01:06] Winged_Phone    And also it sucks knowing that part of my appeal to them is that I'm Indian too
[01:07] Winged_Phone    I want to be attractive, not ethnically convenient
[01:07] Twonk   One can be both
[01:07] Tadpole Winged_Phone: In my experience the two often go hand in hand.
[01:07] Nae LOL
[01:07] Tadpole The majority of people are attracted to their own ethnicity.
[01:07] Twonk   I mean, I know I'd want to be with someone who speaks my native tongue
[01:07] Tadpole Not sure if there's some evolutionary reason for that.
[01:07] Winged_Phone    Maaaybe. I still get suspicious
[01:08] Winged_Phone    There is yeah
[01:08] Winged_Phone    GSA
[01:08] Nae GSA?
[01:08] Winged_Phone    Genetic Sexual Attraction is a real effect
[01:08] Twonk   My native tongue is English, so that's not particularly hard, but the point stands
[01:08] Winged_Phone    Only limited by the Westermarck Effect
[01:09] Winged_Phone    Like, if it was even just an Indian from Ontario who told me I seemed cool
[01:09] Winged_Phone    That'd be good enough
[01:09] Aurelius_Work   Winged_Phone : humor--my gf looks more ethnically jewish than I do, buuuut she's not
[01:09] panth   Winged_Phone: maybe it's because you're a Brahmin and they're all seeking to marry upwards, caste-wise?
[01:09] Winged_Phone    But nooo it's always some loser living in Bihar
[01:09] Nae panth: no
[01:09] Winged_Phone    Who thinks I'm so beautiful
[01:09] panth   shrugs
[01:09] Nae my head starts to hurt when people start talking about the caste system like they get it
[01:09] panth   Hey Aurelius_Work
[01:09] Winged_Phone    Panth: it's pretty isolationist even upwards
[01:09] Winged_Phone
[01:10] Nae I've lived here my whole life and I don't fully get it
[01:10] Winged_Phone    Nae, it was a reasonable model to him :x
[01:10] panth   Nae: all I really know is that there are layers and it's really hard to move between layers? And the most bottom layer is like, completely shat on
[01:10] Nae no
[01:10] Winged_Phone    ... Ish yes
[01:10] Nae that's simplifying
[01:10] Nae very very much
[01:10] Winged_Phone    As someone from the top layer
[01:10] Winged_Phone    We shit on the lower layers
[01:10] Tadpole Rude.
[01:10] Winged_Phone    Ish, several top layers
[01:11] Winged_Phone    But like, I'm not sure you can marry up
[01:11] Winged_Phone    Between varnas
[01:11] Nae not to mention, irrelevant except in only a few cases
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[01:11] Winged_Phone    Your kids will just be polluted by the lower one
[01:11] panth   What's a varna
[01:11] Winged_Phone    The caste
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[01:11] Winged_Phone    Let's just use caste
[01:11] Nae the most visible form it takes for young Indians is when they go to college, there's a reservation (affirmative action)
[01:12] Winged_Phone    There's also a lot of discrimination, nepotism and arranged marriage market segmentation
[01:12] Nae the "shit upon the lower caste" thing doesn't happen
[01:12] Winged_Phone    It totally does
[01:12] Nae unless you live in a village in the middle of nowhere
[01:13] Winged_Phone    I know people who've been part of it
[01:13] Winged_Phone    Even my parents kind of take part in it
[01:13] Winged_Phone    They run an international software solutions vendor
[01:13] Winged_Phone    Out of the UAE
[01:13] Nae yeah, the ones who leave and whose idea of the country is same as when they left
[01:13] Winged_Phone    They exist, Nae
[01:13] Twonk   And caste is decided by what? Family? Birthplace? Economic background? Is there a racial element?
[01:14] Winged_Phone    You can't pretend they don't count
[01:14] Nae the consensus is that ironically
[01:14] Nae the Indians of the diaspora are more conservative than the Indians in India
[01:14] Nae
[01:14] Nae much much more
[01:14] Winged_Phone    Twonk: family
[01:14] Winged_Phone    Some race by extension
[01:14] Winged_Phone    But it's blood
[01:14] Twonk   Right
[01:14] Winged_Phone    My cast is my birthright
[01:14] Nae ...
[01:14] Nae ok I'm out
[01:14] Twonk   So if you're born to two parents of differing varnas, what are you?
[01:15] Winged_Phone    I mean that in the most evil, ironic sense
[01:15] Winged_Phone    No idea, no one told me
[01:15] Winged_Phone    Being a Brahmin basically sorta makes me a pure blood in the Harry Potter verse
[01:15] Winged_Phone    And there are plenty of people in my extended family who are sort of cunts about it
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[01:16] Winged_Phone    I'm not happy about it
[01:16] Winged_Phone    Nor would I crap on anyone from a lower caste, nae
[01:16] Tadpole Winged_Phone: So, you're a pureblood but you don't hang with Malfoy?
[01:16] Winged_Phone    I try not to
[01:16] Twonk   She's like Sirius
[01:16] Winged_Phone    In practice... It's hard. It sinks roots into you
[01:16] Winged_Phone    It takes ages to remove them all
[01:17] Winged_Phone    To make sure you're not a bad person
[01:17] Winged_Phone    My parents were relatively nice
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[01:18] Winged_Phone    They're still dicks in the "oh some of my best friends are lower class, but they just /think stupider/ and you'd never MARRY one"
[01:18] Twonk   Were?
[01:18] Winged_Phone    were in the sense of the time period where they were my guardians
[01:18] Winged_Phone    They're still sorta that
[01:19] Twonk   So it's a more rigorous, formalised equivalent to socioeconomic classes in Western countries?
[01:19] Winged_Phone    And they've kind of translated and rationalized it into this secular classism
[01:19] Winged_Phone    And they don't want me to marry someone blue collar for example
[01:19] ThalAI  This is a weird talk to walk in on.
[01:19] Winged_Phone    Yeah pretty much
[01:19] Winged_Phone    Imagine socioeconomic class, except blood based
[01:19] Winged_Phone    Like nobility
[01:20] Tadpole It really is, Thal.
[01:20] Mishie  I'm no expert
[01:20] Tadpole It sounds a little medieval.
[01:20] Mishie  But I'm pretty sure that it's far more complex than that
[01:20] Winged_Phone    Inter caste violence is a big deal
[01:20] Winged_Phone    Oh yeah.
[01:20] Winged_Phone    Acid attacks
[01:21] Winged_Phone    They're like the classic show-the-lower-castes-their-place thing
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[01:21] Winged_Phone    All the acid attacks in India are generally cross caste branding
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[01:23]	Twonk
[01:23]	Quanfinigon	I knew an indian girl in elementary school with an acideded face
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[01:25]	Winged_Phone	There was a recent case in the news
[01:25]	Winged_Phone	Some village, lower caste girl refused to accept repeated rape by local priest caste spiritual leader
[01:25]	Winged_Phone	Acid attack
[01:26]	Twonk	I kinda wanna punch India right now
[01:26]	Tali	Can we maybe
[01:26]	ThalAI
[01:26]	panth	Twonk: car bomb them allllll
[01:26]	Tali	Move on to a different topic?
[01:26]	Winged_Phone	The idea that this doesn't happen in rural villages with lie education and entrenched tribalism is kind of absurd to me :$
[01:26]	ThalAI	You can't punch an entire subcontinent.
[01:26]	Winged_Phone	Yeah
[01:26]	Winged_Phone	I picked a Western name for a bunch of reasons
[01:27]	Aurelius_Work	Winged_Phone : Haredi still stone people sometimesbut it's being cracked down on I think
[01:27]	Winged_Phone	Glad to immigrate into Canada
[01:27]	Twonk	I can bloody try, Thal
[01:27]	ThalAI	We stone people here, but they legalized pot, so those people are okay with it.
[01:28]	Winged_Phone	*low education